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Wednesday, August 10, 2005

Ashes thread -- Day one

Not in a position to wake early to catch the start of Test 3, unfortunately. Will likely only catch up with the action around tea -- meanwhile, this thread in case any of you guys feel like posting comments on the play as it develops. Good night, guys, see you in my morning.

478 Comments:

  • Aussies have not ruled out Mcgrath for the third Test. I would actually like him to play so that the best teams are playing. But I get the feeling that McGrath would not be 100%. Would they risk him, especially if he could do further damage to his ankle by taking part?

    Most experts feel that this type of injury usually puts a player out for at least a couple of weeks. Is this just mind games from Australia? Now that is hard to rule out

    By Blogger Jiet, at 22:08  

  • I feel McGill's inclusion is goin to make a difference to the match...he might be the dark horse for the Aussies !

    By Blogger Jammy, at 22:22  

  • Prem ...

    FYI

    i jus found this

    http://cricprog.com

    By Blogger kalpana, at 00:57  

  • guys, I have just started my own blog-the idea is to provide relavant statistics of important Games as they progress.

    Enjoy...

    http://www.vitalstats.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:07  

  • I hope they let Shaun Tait loose. Interesting how the Aussies wait and wait and wait to release their new stars. I do feel Gillespie is over the hill, both him and Hayden need to perform fast or they will be cut loose a la Bichel, Bevan, Lehmann. There is no feeling of awe anymore in watching Gillespie steam in with those mullets flying behind him. Brett Lee's stock is high after the heart he showed in the last match.
    With respect to our boys, it was interesting to see that India was set to chase 282, the exact same score that Australia almost reached the other day! Yes, both teams chasing lost in the end, but what a difference in approaches!! One team had the attitude to back itself till the last man even against top notch fast bowling. The other decided to accelerate its trip home as soon as its main batsmen got out, therein lies the difference between mediocrity and greatness.

    By Blogger s anand, at 04:01  

  • Agree anand, though it was a different game and circumstances.

    Looking ahead at the World Cup, it's difficult to see India qualify for the Super-8. Remember, all it will take is for Bangladesh to beat us and we are out. And given current form (of both teams), its not unlikely...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:16  

  • Looks like England might go for Chris Tremlett and drop Hoggard.

    If he does play, then it will be fun to watch him and Harmison bowl together.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:24  

  • Both McGrath & Lee playing.

    England are unchanged from Previous Test.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:59  

  • Vaughan wins toss and elect to bat...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:04  

  • hardly surprising. It's a belter of a wicket and given history, England don't want to be batting last on this wicket.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:13  

  • I must admit that I am surprised that Mcgrath is good to go. Not long left for the game to start. England will have to be careful that they don't get their aggression get better off themselves.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:18  

  • Geoff Boycott!!! Fantastic!

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:32  

  • well on the evidence of the first over, nothing wrong with McGrath.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:37  

  • Warne needs 1 to complete 600, Lee need 1 to complete 150 and S.Jones needs 3 to complete 50!

    Also, Threskothick needs 62 to complete 5000 runs...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:40  

  • Yeah....clearly "extensive ligament damage" was fertilizer to grow ideas in English heads.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:41  

  • some more stats:

    Avg 1st Innings score - All teams
    325.88 (in all matches)
    384.50 in last 10 Matches

    Average 1st Innings score - England
    331.7 (in all matches)
    326.0 (last 10)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:43  

  • also, only two teams have lost the game at Old trafford after scoring 300 runs in the first innings:

    South Africa in 1947 after scoring 339 & WI in 2004 after scoring 395 for 9d

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:49  

  • Well...that looked Geraint Jones dropping Trescothick...hope the tabloids don't make a mistake.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:53  

  • saurabh.. i posted a cpl of trivia for ur blog

    By Blogger kalpana, at 05:54  

  • Maybe it's jones in disguise...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:54  

  • nice work Saurabh...sure will be useful for a lot of peeps

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:58  

  • Thanks Kalpana. Any contributions are welcome...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:06  

  • Well...Ricky puts a man out for the pull. Not sure this is good captaincy. He should be encouraging the pull now, shouldn't he?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:07  

  • jiet...no need with this Eng team...they are playing in bravado mode anyways (if previous match was an indication)..they will hook/pull if the ball is there (and sometimes when its not)..

    By Blogger worma, at 06:11  

  • hey worma...good to see you following the game. Yeah, I'm hoping that the bravado is measured, not unbridled.

    super yorker from lee.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:13  

  • Yep Jiet...good to chat with u too..they seem to be more cautious than last match..probably because of McG. But anyways..I like this approach much better..wait for the right chance to attack. Must've learnt that from last match 1st innings.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:16  

  • strauss gone...!!

    By Blogger worma, at 06:16  

  • Looks like the Strauss party in international cricket is over. He looks out of sorts...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:17  

  • Worma, I made a point in the last Test. 400+ is a good score. I feel if England get too defencive, they will lose wickets and end up around 350 which might not be enough...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:19  

  • yep saurabh...was shaken by the hit...anyway...that guy is still good for other teams I would say..

    By Blogger worma, at 06:19  

  • Clear signs from the beginning of the series that Tresco prefers to face Lee and Strauss prefers Mcgrath.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:20  

  • Saurabh...diff approach for diff pitches...and diff bowlers....basically Eng shud not decide an approach just for the heck of it. But yes, too defensive is not the way to go. Think about adelaid, kolkata (remember Lax knocks..not dravid)..I am looking for that kind of controlled aggression

    By Blogger worma, at 06:21  

  • Saurabh...definitely a good point about getting too defensive. However, I believe worma is referring to letting the aggression getting out of hand. Play the ball on merits philosophy.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:23  

  • ok guys, get the point. Surprised that Lee has be rested considering that Vaughan is batting.

    Wonder if Lee is 100%.

    Hmmmmm!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:26  

  • ok guys, get the point. Surprised that Lee has be rested considering that Vaughan is batting.

    Wonder if Lee is 100%.

    Hmmmmm!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:26  

  • Could this be another of Ponting's mistakes.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:27  

  • Worma...saw your posts regarding the Indian Oil final. One other way to look at the team combination dilemma is targets. If we play seven batsman we have to aim for 20-30 runs extra then our usual target. In other words if seven batsman play then make them quite.


    Gillespie on. His performance may be the key.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:28  

  • two fours...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:28  

  • must be a conscious decision to bowl him in short spells

    By Blogger worma, at 06:28  

  • Saurabh...I originally wondered about Mcgrath selection too. I have little doubt that both players are in good shape....both have been bowling extremely well.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:30  

  • Jiet...sure..I guess ur point is that 7 batsmen shud not be there to shield the weak ones....something Prem also pointed for choosing 5-1-5 strategy. I agree there should be no-one hiding in the lineup...it shud mean setting bigger targets..which also makes sense because u wud obviously have slightly weaker bowling...so this is when setting target. But when chasing...the use becomes totally different. Thats what I pointed in my post, you dont have to plan as tightly.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:31  

  • Jiet...u know...i commented this on Will's blog also...about a McG, Lee health post....this is not the first time that Warne/McG has surprised everyone with quicker than normal recovery. I dont think they are superhuman, and I have a strong growing feeling that this is part of Aus mental games...to use this kind of oppurtunity to throw opponents off-guard

    By Blogger worma, at 06:33  

  • the problem with injuries is that they can come back anytime but I guess the Aussies know what they are doing.

    Worma, I think the 5-1-5 strategy works if you have a genuine all rounder like Flintoff of Gilchrist. Otherwise, you will always struggle and you have no option but to go with an extra batsman...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:36  

  • Worma...anyone who had seen the drama that morning would not believe that Mcgrath is in the side today. I think they were originally very concerned and later decided to make good use of all the hype.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:38  

  • Agreed Saurabh...dunno if u checkd my post...but exactly my point...today's ODI game (with its run-heaviness) demands seven matchwinners with the bat...whatever u may hav to do to get them. Its not as if this theory cant be challenged(as Prem mentions in one post, other theories hav also been challenged in the past)...its just that this one is working at the moment. And working quite well for the champion teams. So if u devise an alternative theory...its gotta be one hell of a plan..and shud hav real good executors to implment it successfully and consistently.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:39  

  • ofcourse Jiet...I do think he was truely injured...he's not that good an actor ;-)...they just used the hype...and Eng media penchant for taking up a story and building a storm around it (remember symonds drinkin problem...)..aus just cleverly used it

    By Blogger worma, at 06:41  

  • This is JUST an observation but Gilchrist tunrs 34 this November. He will be going on 36 the next World Cup. Not to worry the his replacement is just as scary - Brad Haddin.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:43  

  • If I remember correctly, McGrarth said yesterday that if he feels as good as he feels he will play.

    But its nice to see Aussies (and England) at full strength.

    This is a real contest.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:44  

  • ..and this one even sounds closer to Bradman ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:45  

  • But I doubt if Brad Haddin will have the same impact as Gilchrist. This guy is special...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:46  

  • McGrath has bowled 8. We might see Warne back soon...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:48  

  • Whoa...Tresco leaves a wide one from Lee. Ahh...that's more like it...four runs.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:51  

  • good to see Eng running a lot of runs...this is good cricket

    By Blogger worma, at 06:51  

  • 66 in 18 overs. 3.7 runs an over. not bad but after the frenzy of the previous Test Matches, if feels slow :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:56  

  • The Old trafford pitch has got slower over the years. The average 1st innings score on this ground is 326, but in the last 10 matches, it has gone up to 385!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:57  

  • another stat: only 7 times has a team lost to the Aussies after scoring more then 400 in the first innings (and Won 28 times, 26 draws and 1 Tie).

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:03  

  • and only twice after scoring more then 450 (england in 1928/29 & 1948).

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:05  

  • i think Eng can easily cross 400 if they dont throw away any wkts like last match...after that initial spell...they dont seem too much troubled now

    By Blogger worma, at 07:07  

  • Commentary of the highest level...good stuff.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:08  

  • Worma, I agree. 450+ is what they should aim for...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:12  

  • Vaughan is playing well. Could be his day today.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:13  

  • Yep. Lets see if Warne has other plans though :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:13  

  • he will always have plans. He has claimed that his first ball today will be special. Let's see.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:15  

  • The back-foot cover drive is making a comeback.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:17  

  • Why are the aussies continuing with Gillespie and Hayden? The good old Aussie selectors would have dropped these guys without a second thought...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:17  

  • saurabh..these are same selectors....they r the ones who dropped waugh...hinted at dropping McGrath...recently 'dropped' Lehman. Its just that it was too risky for them to drop Hayden before ashes...so they chose to persist. And problem is that he 'looked' good on the crease. Even scored some runs in the Nz ODIs. But anyway, I do feel his time is close to finished.
    And with Gillespie, I think this is his 'first' series in bad form. Surely it would be wrong on any good selectors to drop a man of his talent (and results) on such slim evidence.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:21  

  • That first ball from Dizzy was a beauty.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:24  

  • Seems to be steaming in now. This spell has been bit of a mixture really.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:25  

  • They didn't drop Hayden because they dont have another opening batsmen in the squad and they haven't tried anyone in that position since Hayden-Langer have been so good the past few years. Australia has guys to replace in the middle order if Clarke or katich need to be replaced but no openers in sight. Atleast I haven't heard of an upcoming opener.
    Dizzy I really hope gets back in form otherwise this is his last series which is a shame...I love watching him bowl.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 07:27  

  • run rate of nearly 4 again. Good going by England.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:29  

  • Phil Jacques is an opener isn't he? He is not in the squad but they could call up someone in case Hayden get's injured.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:29  

  • but hayden has been struggling for some time now...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:30  

  • ha!ha!ha! Warne was hoping to bowl the last over...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:31  

  • I remember in 2001 how the Aussies got Vaughan out last over before Lunch with a plan to have McGrath bounce it only once in the whole session (while Lee continued his bouncers on the other end). Vaughan was so surprised to see a bouncer from McGrath that he fell for the trap and got out caught at fine leg.

    Guess the aussies had a plan for a Warne special jusat before Lunch.

    Another of Ponting's miscalculation...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:34  

  • Guys do you think Ponting will be stripped from captaincy if Australia loses The Ashes ?

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 07:44  

  • yep..ponting shud have noticed the time...asked the ump abt overs to go...I am sure he was looking for atleast 1 Warne over

    By Blogger worma, at 07:50  

  • Unlike most other teams, the Aussies (and to a certain extent England) like to groom thier captains and don't go about chopping and changing unless required.

    Given the fact that the next captain is nowhere ready (I recon it will be Clarke), I don't think Ponting will lose his job. The only other candidate is Gilchrist and don't think the Aussie Selectors want him to have the extra burden of Captaincy.

    Though in my books, he is a fine captain...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:05  

  • ..also gilchrist is 34 (as Jiet pointed out earlier)..doesnt make sense appointing short term captains...Aus wont do that. And anyway...no sensible selectors would drop a captain on the basis of one series...however imp that series might be. I could still have imagined this scenario if there was even the slightest shadow of doubt over his captaincy before this series. Ofcouse, loss here can 'start' the 'process' which may end with his replacement...

    By Blogger worma, at 08:13  

  • Lovely bit of timing from Tresco earlier in that over. For all the problems with his footwork, he plays with his head right on top. Does enough things right to make himslef a handful

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:20  

  • I think the only reason Ponting will not be dropped as captain is because there is no other emerging leader in the side. Gilly, Warne, Langer are all in their mid-30's. Ofcourse this is *IF* Australia loses the Ashes. But I do think Punter is the weakest captain tactically...definitely not in the Border-Taylor-Waugh league.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:21  

  • Clannzu...spot on. Ponting has been ordinary as a captain...had no business putting Bangladesh in for that ODI a few weeks ago.

    Gotta say he is a fantastic bat.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:24  

  • what a shot. 26th fifty for Tresco, 6th against the Aussies

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:25  

  • Lol...I meant Ponting had no business opting to bat.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:26  

  • dropped again by Gilchrist..

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:27  

  • Gilchrist drops another one!

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:27  

  • bowled of a no ball...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:28  

  • bowled off a no-ball

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:28  

  • looks like it is England's day

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:29  

  • clannzu..sure..IMO ponting is pretty ordinary as a captain...heading a great team (and unlike waugh, has not taken the team any higher)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:29  

  • Ravi Shastri is wakes up in Mumbai and mumbles " it's all happening out there"

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:29  

  • vaughan's 50

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:29  

  • What's with Gilly? Isn't that his second drop..?

    By Blogger Sunny, at 08:31  

  • Vaughan better make use of these let-off's...nothing better than good ol' cricket. :)

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:31  

  • Geoff Boycott nearly had a fit in the commentary box....this is great fun.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:31  

  • (Jiet)..and then Shastri goes back to sleep again ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:33  

  • Do PAL format DVD's work in the US ? Just saw the DVD for the last test is on sale.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:36  

  • I though Ponting get an inside edge to get bowled off that no-ball.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:36  

  • jiet, worma where are you guys watching the game?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:36  

  • Saurabh, on willow.tv

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:37  

  • Did Boycott say "that's bad cricket is that"

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:37  

  • saurabh...not watching...but its there on willow...and free audio on BBC..their comm team is excellent !

    By Blogger worma, at 08:39  

  • ok, is it the same commentary as channel 4 with Ritchie benaud, etc or do they have their own commentary team?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:39  

  • I did not hear him say that :) but he kept yelling " bad luck! bad luck! you Aussies!" and was laughing his head off in the back ground. Slater had to ask to calm down.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:40  

  • Clannzu... get one of those DVD players that you get in BJs or Walmart... Its cheap and plays both versions... I think its Apex...

    By Blogger Sunny, at 08:40  

  • i am listening on BBC radio as well. they are very good.

    I am very close to Old trafford and might go over after 5 pm and see if I can get in for the last hour.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:42  

  • Thanks sunny...already have a GE dvd player.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:43  

  • Saurabh...How much does it cost to get in for a session/day?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:45  

  • clanzu, not worth it- it's only 91 minutes long.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:45  

  • £500 in the black market but the average price is 30-40 a day.

    No tickets available but I am hoping to catch someone who is leaving early...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:47  

  • I think Ponting missed a trick...shud've had Warne and McG in tandem in this spell....I know he needs to use the other bowlers if they are there...thats how team Aus works....but still...he's letting Vaughan get away...he was shaky after that life....

    By Blogger worma, at 08:48  

  • Warne on.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:50  

  • Saurabh... never been to London.. Is Old Trafford in London itself or another city?

    By Blogger Sunny, at 08:53  

  • sunny...it's in Manchester

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:53  

  • ok... tks

    By Blogger Sunny, at 08:54  

  • Vaughan looking good here...McGrath obviously not at his best going at 4.69 per over.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:00  

  • Mcgrath was superb in his first spell. This spell, he has not been the machine he usually is.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:02  

  • Richie Benaud and Michael Atherton are commenting on how well the two sides have nursed the ball. They both seem to be of the opinion that England has had better luck finding reverse swing.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:09  

  • sunny, The Oval and Lords are in London, Old Trafford in Manchester, Headingley in Leeds, Edgebaston in Birmingham and Trent bridge in Nottingham.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:11  

  • Saurabh, thanks for the round up....

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:13  

  • Pleasure.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:14  

  • Guys, who do u think will be the captain for the zimb tour?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:16  

  • Hopefully Dravid....and hopefully Badani will be picked.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:18  

  • I think if Saurav merits a place in the team then he will get back the captaincy.
    IF we had won the final, maybe RD would have had a better chance.

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:18  

  • badani? On what basis?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:20  

  • Roy Keane is following the game...I suppose he gets free tickets.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:20  

  • Well Old Trafford and ManU.. guess he does.. :-)

    By Blogger Dan, at 09:21  

  • Who is Roy Keane?

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:21  

  • tiger...there is nobody better.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:22  

  • Interesting, isn't it, that when a team lacks that fizz, the catching is the first to go?
    Good morning, guys... am watching, but not apt to be able to post too often on this... Thursdays and Fridays are my worst days here

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:22  

  • Nice to see you here, Prem

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:23  

  • jiet - and who would badani replace in the 11?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:24  

  • morning, Prem

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:24  

  • Prem...only Gilly fumbled, right ? Other signs of aus being 'down' a bit ?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:24  

  • Ganguly

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:25  

  • england heading for a husge score again here. is the pitch helping warne yet?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:25  

  • sunny, Roy keane is a ManU player. If you ask me what ManU is, then I recon you have been in USA for too long...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:25  

  • whats interesting is that though u see teams like aus become a bit sloppy in fielding, when they are down.. lesser teams like NZ and Zimbabwe are excellent in fielding almost always..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:27  

  • Trescothick is Warne's 600th wicket.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:27  

  • worma: yeah, primarily the two Gilly drops, but also the odd instances of quality fielders getting their hands to the ball but not making the cleanest stops. Good fielding... but the Aussies on song tend to be brilliant.
    Can't blame them, really -- I'd think for a team to know it is fielding first on this deck is itself a dampener, and then you have a stand like this, where both batsmen were let off by your most reliable player

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:27  

  • Jokes apart, ManU= "ManchesterUnited Football Club".

    The level of interest in cricket in this country is amazing right now. Looks like a whole new generation of kids have suddenly figured out that anything apart from football can be interesting.

    Good for cricket...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:28  

  • Prem, I recon 450+ is a great score. Anything over will be a bonus. What say?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:29  

  • hmm...yeah..but I wud think Aus has 'been there seen it' earlier....if they remember their earlier lessons...they wud wait for their chance....last session can still be v crucial..

    By Blogger worma, at 09:29  

  • Warne's 600!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:30  

  • Saurabh, :-) Now I get it.. He's an Irishman I think...
    Gary Linekar was one of my favourites...
    What was the team he played ...Arsenal? No...

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:30  

  • The test in Edgbaston is going to do wonders for the game in England no doubt.

    Tresco once again throws away an opporunity make a big score. Bell in and another important period in the game begins.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:30  

  • saurabh: Donno about 450. Only saw post lunch, but this looks like the heck of a belter... 450, Aus might feel good about.
    Seems the sort of track, you get in, you decide right, grind the other guy into the ground... pile it on real huge... 450 seems the sort of score you go into the second innings with, at best, a lead of 50 or so (assuming Aus bat like dorks again)... which wouldn't be good enough

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:31  

  • morning Prem...all signs of the fever gone?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:31  

  • 600 for warnie..watta bowler.
    much much better than kumble, in my opinion

    By Blogger Ridham, at 09:32  

  • jiet: :-) More or less. You know how it is, sometimes things happen in twos and threes... hadn't gotten over the fever, was looking to rearrange some stuff at home, and got my back in a crick as a result. *L* Happens, what can you say

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:33  

  • Is this where Warne runs amok? Australia can notch it up if they are given an opening

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:33  

  • Prem...a lot like cricket...lose one wicket and lose another immediately. Something England would want to avoid.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:34  

  • trescothick was McGrath's 500th wicket and Warne's 600th wicket. how coincidental!

    By Blogger Karthik, at 09:36  

  • Prem Your comments?
    http://us.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/11captain.htm

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:36  

  • The start was definitely great. It will be interesting to see if Eng turn out better now.. if they do and are able to win this then interest in cricket will be at an all time high here..Some one needs to stand up to the Aussies...

    By Blogger Dan, at 09:36  

  • I have a Warne story... when he came to india with the mark taylor team, i had done deconstruction... looking at how he bowls, where he gets his wickets from, all that stuff, to show he was not really the threat he was made out to be (as it turned out, that piece made me many friends in Aus -- people who first blasted me, then we got talking, and have stayed friends).
    Joke though was, the Aus guys were very into Rediff... in the sense when they landed in Bombay, couldn't make their net connections work, called us, we sent techs over to put it right; they wanted to go sightseeing, we organized it all and went with them, all that kind of stuff.
    So at some point, someone told someone who told someone who told Warney and the others about that piece... and a printout got to him... so when I went to the Taj where they were staying, I bump into him, and he goes, hey, mate, fancy playing an over of mine?
    He was in great good humor (by then, he had been taken apart by Bombay, btw)... and that evening, shared a beer and his thoughts on why the Indians played him much better than the rest...

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:38  

  • Dan, Amen to that.. I'm just tired of these win-all Aussies..

    By Blogger Sunny, at 09:38  

  • Maybe if Sachin is fit, then Ganguly will not be picked for the Zimb tour..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:39  

  • Prem One more on SG and captaincy by Ranatunga Makes interesting read
    http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/11rana.htm

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:39  

  • Prem did you get a chance to interact with Steve Waugh ? What's he like ?

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:39  

  • Sriram: What's to say? I didn't see anything in SG's batting, yet, to suggest he was anywhere back to even 75 per cent of top form.
    Which is not to say he may not get there -- fact though is, he is not there now. I find it funny then that there is all this discussion about whether he should immediately get the captain's arm band back. What, this is some kind of toy you let your neighbor's kid borrow, but snatch it back soon as you are ready to play?
    Not suggesting RD did great... he did some things good, some things not so good... but overall, I didn't see any compelling case for why a guy who as captain has kept his form, and done the best he possibly could, should now be replaced by a man clearly not yet in touch.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:42  

  • Prem
    may be you should blog your interesting incidents with cricketers past and present. it will surely be interesting.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:42  

  • Did anyone watch the Rugby final of 2003. Eng vs Aussies... the outpouring of emotion in England after the match was amazing. The whole nation went crazy. Wonder what will happen if Eng win the Ashes.. Lately I can see kids playing cricket in parks .. its quite a change from football..

    By Blogger Dan, at 09:44  

  • clannzu: Yeah, twice, both when he toured with Taylor, and then when he came as captain. Found him very down to earth, genuinely curious about the place and the people, likely to ask you 100s of questions... and for a guy of that stature, very curious that he would call journalists he thought he wanted input from, and quiz us endlessly on the form of players, and their peculiarities, and whatever we observed... the good thing was, he spoke as franklyl about his own players, their form, their vulnerabilities...
    He is very hard-nosed; doesn't tolerate pompousness or idiocy... (*grin* That in fact led to my favorite LPS moment)... but if he figures you are on the up and up, he is very genuine, no airs about him. Not as overtly friendly as Taylor, nor as apt to be dismissive as Ponting can be in his moods.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:48  

  • Prem,

    I see you point; bat first and pile on the runs on a flat wicket. But (and I raised the point in the second test as well);
    1. Not many teams score 450+ in the first innings (especially against Australia)
    2. Not many teams lose after scoring 450+ in the first innings, (even against Australia).

    I have put some stats up on my blog which make interesting reading. I know stats mean nothing else Harminson would not have got Kaspa out with two to win, but they do give us a very good indication of trends and what to expect.

    Bottom line; if England score 450+, they should be happy, though they would love to score more.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:50  

  • Prem...

    When the captain of the Indian team tells bowlers not to bowl short so that he has an easy time of it in the nets, what kind of example does it set for the other players?

    I am sorry but his inclusion in the side seems like on the basis of years of good service when he can't bat or bowl or field makes no sense.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:53  

  • sriram: I do, when something prompts it, but I um, dislike that whole trip of oh, when I was having lunch with so-and-so...

    *LOL* You guys may not have gone to the Delhi Press Club... you should, to see pretentiousness at its best.

    Everyone there only talks in first names... 'You know, Jagdish was telling me...'... 'You know, Rajesh was saying the other day...'

    The first time I went there, took me a couple of minutes to catch on, thought they were talking about some friends... when I realized they were name dropping ministers like mad, stuck it for as long as I could and suddenly went, 'Oh, but that is not what Onkar told me...'

    Sudden silence... you coiuld almost see them flick through their mental rolodex, looking for a big shot called Onkar... finally one guy asks me, um, Onkar who?

    And I go, oh, Onkar?!... you know, the guy who brings me my morning newspaper? Very well informed that bloke...

    The expressions on some of the faces was worth it... figured what the hell, can't top that, excused myself, and left.

    Point being, though... I tend to cringe when someone does that... be a touch much if I then went and did it myself

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:53  

  • Point noted. We will prompt you from here on When we feel like getting something out of you:)

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:55  

  • saurabh: Oh sure, 450 is prolly enough, who knows... the only caveat I was making was, if you find yourself on a pitch like this, what you want is to aim sky high... 650 minimum, you are telling yourself, if not more... the last thing you want to do is go in thinking okay, i am safe with 450...

    more so, cos the aus must be hurting now after edgbaston... having played too arrogantly the last time, you never know, if they decide to buckle down and show folks they can bat, then you have problems with that kind of score on this kind of track. I mean, look at those deliveries -0- except when warne pulls out something special or lee bangs it in, pretty much all else you can stroke either side of the wicket

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 09:56  

  • Hahah Prem...that is hilarious.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:57  

  • 650 is great..but 450 would probably do as Eng have the bowlers to do the job for them. It's not an easy job batting against Flintoff and Harmison.

    By Blogger rahul, at 09:58  

  • 'Morning Prem, 'Morning everyone. Looks like Eng motoring along pretty good here. Vaughan finally getting some runs.

    For all those watching the game, appreciate your input on: Is the pitch a dead one or are Eng batsmen playing really well?

    By Blogger saum, at 09:58  

  • Prem, you left your warnie story incomplete. What reason did warne give for indians being better than others at playing him ?
    Btw, funny commentary this on cricinfo
    "Katich to Bell, FOUR, tossed up juicy full toss, much like this
    man's nickname KitKat, that was coated in chocolate and wrapped in
    silver foil, smashed back past mid-off for four! "..haha, kitkat

    By Blogger Ridham, at 09:58  

  • Prem I think Dravid would be a long term prospect, if we see him from series to series, it wouldn't be right. One got the feeling that he played a couple of his early matches as he wanted to, aggresive, thoughful and wowed everyone.

    But any captain would panic when his team is doing as it was. Specially when at the back of your mind the thpought of the axe is there.

    Just my cents: Let Dravid plan his captaincy as he plans his innings and we might see a brilliant artist at work.

    Shakeel

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 09:59  

  • saum: this is a belter of a pitch.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 09:59  

  • sriram: sure, one of these days will find time to tell you guys the most surreal experience i ever had...
    You know Waugh's insistence on seeing places, right? And he doesnt do the tourist bit and see Gateway of India, either.

    During that Final Frontier tour, he was looking to go to dhobi ghat... dharavi... like that.

    So one morning we get this call... he wants to see Kamatipura, the MUmbai red light area.

    So we pile into two cars...waugh, ponting, mcgrath, gilchrist, langer, hayden... faisal... oiur staff photographer, jewella... all of us...

    imagine walking down those incredibly narrow streets, call girls in their rabbit warrens on both sides yelling out the choicest stuff, these white guys walking down the road all curious and looking everywhere and wanting to talk to some of them and ask about health and stuff... and asking us what they were saying...
    was two hours and more of huge fun... after you got over the initial embarassment, that is.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:00  

  • ridham: Oh, he went into a lot of detail, but the two keys he said was the top ones --he was naming sidhu, sachin, azhar and the like -- read him out of his hand, so they know what is coming earlier than the rest of the world who read him off the deck... and because they know what is coming as soon as he releases, they are willing to come down the track, or go right back, and play shots... i remember him saying he was stunned how easy even some of the mumbai players read him... never happens anywhere else in teh world, he said...
    he likes talking of his craft, so there was a lot more of detail... but that was pretty much the bottomline -- the earlier you read me the easier i am

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:03  

  • Hey Guys/PP-
    Just logged in. Caught brief glimpses og the game at work. Does anyone watching know what Warnie was chattering to the umpire about? I only saw the guy pointing excitedly to something that looked like a bracelet? As you can guess, this was from a stolen galnce at the screen several yards away minu audio! Cheers.

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 10:03  

  • shakeel: I agree, entirely. I'd think he is the natural choice just now... and I suspect that is how the selectors will go, actually. though you never know if there will be a board intervention...

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:04  

  • I know Steve is very human how about the other folks from Aus are they really or just show off? I am also curious abt England and Pak cricketers but that can be for some other day.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 10:04  

  • thanks, jiet. good decision by vaughan to bat first then...

    By Blogger saum, at 10:04  

  • painful: The umpire bit I suspect was saying he wanted that ball once they were done with it. :-) That wristband was reportedly given him by his daughter, to bring him luck... he seemed to be acknowledging its role in his moment of glory...

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:05  

  • I am wondering what would Warnie have said about VVS after the Final Frontier?

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 10:06  

  • saum: news from the aussie camp is that they would have bowled if they won the toss. apparently a little bird told punter what to do.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 10:08  

  • Well Prem, 650 and the Aussies might as well go home :-)

    Looks like Vaughan is all set to make the most of this oppurtunity. Guess Ponting missed the trick when he removed Lee immediately when Vaughan came to bat. By the time lee returned, Vaughan was set.

    I wonder if that was another Ponting blunder that will cost him the match.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:08  

  • hey prem...can u pls tell what did Warne have to say abt why Indians play his so well ? Anything out of usual ?

    By Blogger worma, at 10:09  

  • sriram: Um, obviously, all aus cricketers are not in the same mould but never seen them be stand-offy... some are friendlier than others, but they are all quite open and decent... never had a bad experience with any of them.
    the NZ cricketers, a lot of them, I found bloody racist... the pak guys are fun-loving (Faisal is the one with the really good stories, he spent tons more time with them, and with some of the other teams, than I did)... England... and it's been a while since they came touring, remember, I found bloody boring... so intent on keeping to themselves, you just give up and think the heck with it

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:09  

  • Prem - So Indians are the best players of spin when it comes to Warne - what then happens when they face the likes of Dilshan and Arnold and Chandana?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:10  

  • Thanks, PP. Talking of name dropping, what are the chances guys on this blog are going to, at some point, go:
    'You, know the last time I had a chat with Prem, he was telling me how he played Warne in Mumbai....'
    :-))

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 10:11  

  • And I think sidhu was a wonderful player of spin. Still remember him dancing down the track to hit those lofted shots and sixes..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:12  

  • worma: Just mentioned that bit. :-)

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:12  

  • ok got that...:-)

    By Blogger worma, at 10:14  

  • Ah the English stiff upper lip, Prem?

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 10:16  

  • jiet: really??? aus wanted to bowl first... sheeesh, that is very very strange - very poor reading of the pitch, and seems strange too - one would think they would like to give McG as much rest as they can rather than bowl first on such a track...

    hmmm... name dropping... :) how abt playing against the great Tendulkar himself, albeit during the Harris shield during school days.

    By Blogger saum, at 10:16  

  • good morning prembhaiya........

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:17  

  • Yeah, Prem Tiger got a point. Why is it we faced the best there is so easy and many a time got foiled by Giles and Chandana and Dilshan?

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 10:18  

  • tiger: If I knew the answer to that...!

    Painful: has happened... actually see, the thing is, when doing cricket full time I was getting like, 1000+ mails each day... and as far as possible I would respond...

    Never knew how to handle it when someone came up and said, hi, how're you, I know you, remember I once wrote to you, two years ago, about something you said on Sachin? :-)

    Couple of times it was really funny, coz folks would tell my mom they knew me, and mom would when she called me next tell me oh, I met this friend of yours, Lakshman, and I am like, uh, mom, who?! I think for a while she thought I had gotten senile, was forgetting everything. *L*

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 10:18  

  • Saum, no kidding... how old were you and more important the great man himself ..:-)

    By Blogger Sunny, at 10:18  

  • saum: i was making fun of ponting. :)

    By Blogger Jiet, at 10:19  

  • I just remembered reading something today that WH Grace said (came in the Times, I think). If you win the toss, you Bat. If in doubt, think and then bat. If still not convinced then talk to friends and then bat.

    By Blogger Dan, at 10:19  

  • Well friends Why is that SRT gets out to a new Bowler in any team. But he blasts hims the next match is a diff story. Its just the attitude I suppose Ah We are the best players of spin and take thse blokes very light. They need to remember that a batsman needs only one delivery to get out.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 10:20  

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