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Monday, August 22, 2005

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Way cool, this blog appears to have run itself quite comfortably without me! *L*
Slightest of changes in the schedule per my mail to Worma the other day... finished the project just last night... very very late last night, actually... and so, today is to recoup and guys, frankly, recuperation is a very very urgent requirement.
Am heading right back to bed... will try and stroll by in my evening, to spend some time reading (not blogging, just reading what you guys are talking about) so's I can get updated.
Later, guys...

112 Comments:

  • hi prem,,
    good morning.

    it would have been nice if u had put topic here.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 11:32  

  • Ah, topic? Whatever works for you guys. :-)

    Jumped out of bed and ran in here with a question... our first game is 24th, right? Anyone know what time it is, NY time that is?

    Will go get the Willow connection sometime later tonight, back to bed for now

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 11:47  

  • Glad to hear that you are back Prem ... People had cooked up some interesting theories as to why you are MIA ;)

    Geof.

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 11:53  

  • Nice to see u bac after that hiatus.

    By Blogger Rohan Kumar, at 12:00  

  • Hi there, Prem. Glad to know you are alive..

    Did anyone read Ian Chappel's views on India and Australia taking tough decisions?
    http://ww1.mid-day.com/sports/international/2005/august/116781.htm
    There are lots of points in there that make perfect sense. I wish somebody who could make a difference in Indian cricket has time to think on these lines (probably, the part where he wishes SG dumped is based on his personal problems but I couldnt agree more with him either). Anyhow, if, as SG, said, this team is not selected with the WC in mind, then when??
    In my mind, SL has a fair chance for this WC because the pitches are going to be more docile and not as bouncy as the ones in SA where they struggled. Chappel has tipped England to do well but I think they might just struggle against any in-form-team from the sub-continent.

    By Blogger Toney, at 12:01  

  • Hi Prem, welcome back once again :) When u posted once last week, we all thought u are back..but u disappeared again...anyway, to answer ur question, the tri-series matches start at 3:30 am NY time..

    By Blogger Giri, at 12:01  

  • So...More sleepless nights comin up for us in the US !

    By Blogger Jammy, at 12:07  

  • Prem, welcome back, even if only in 'spirit' (haunting the comments :-)

    First, our first match is on 26th. 24th is the first match of the series between Nz, Zim (our team lands there tomorrow). Don't know about your time zone thing though.

    Second, here are some interesting bits you may (or may not) have missed in past few days.

    A nice interview of Sachin in hindu. Out of all Indian crickters, I like his interviews the most. That is when he is speaking his mind, and not one of those regular politically correct speak. http://www.hindu.com/2005/08/21/stories/2005082105881700.htm The most interesting bit about his effort to keep the body hydrated for a match ! Now, I dunnno if that is common practise, but made me take notice. The whole interview is quite honest to as much extent as Sachin thought he could go, without raking another controversy (and debate here :-)

    And here is another interesting bit from mid-day (this one today) again Sachin speak. His injury seems to have freed his interview part of brain :-) I liked his assessment of his mumbai team-mates. Rest of the stuff is ordinary.

    http://ww1.mid-day.com/sports/local/2005/august/116832.htm

    By Blogger worma, at 13:29  

  • You take on the team selection?

    By Blogger Kannan, at 13:35  

  • Prem,

    What's the deal of according "official status" to the Super Series b/w Aus and Rest of World. That sucks!!!

    I mean, commercialzing cricket is OK but should one go so far as to compromise on certain sacred things...I mean it's like saying that an All Star game has "official" status in MLB or in NBA. Jeez-- that stuff is supposed to be fun and entertainment...that's it...nothing more or less....I don't understand this situation...I do hope for some enlightenment from regulars like Worma, ruchir, etc.

    Am I missing something? Am I too old fashioned? Am I a luddite? Guys, how much more are we gonna compromise on aesthetics? How can one accord "official" status? I'd love to hear from someone like Mohandas Menon or the late (I don't recollect his name -- a real legend) statistician who used to write in The Sportstar for years.

    Sriraj

    By Blogger Sriraj, at 13:35  

  • sriraj, no light under this tree :-)...I'm still struggling to come to grips with the ODI status of the Afro-Asian tamasha ! But then, that way atleast Zaheer got some wickets in his account. And atleast this world series would be more serious than the African one, with Aus involved things do get serious.

    But its fun to hear that we're back to the era of 6 day official test matches. I remember reading that the scorers association had boycotted the official status to Tsunami. Lets see what they do about this one.

    I remember reading Rahul Dravid's statement (after loosing heavily to Aus team in the first Tsunami match) after the game that that since it was for a good cause, so doesn't matter who won or lost. Bloody hell, all those viewers who wanted to give money for a good cause might as well have donated directly, and avoided the tamasha had they known this was what the players felt.

    I'm not sure what the more serious minded players in the World XI think of achieving with this game ? Especially the ones like Lara, Sachin, Dravid who already know what beating Aus is like, and its much more exhilirating when done with the 'own' team.

    But as Sangakkara said before African series, we are professionals and are supposed to take all games seriously. Why not, with USD 100k per game they may as well.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:47  

  • Worma,

    I have *NO* problems whatsoever if everyone involved makes money -- more power to them. But, should that be done by tampering with something very holy like players' individual stats? Man, I miss Prem on thorny issues like these. Hope he starts kicking some rear end on this blog again.

    Sriraj

    By Blogger Sriraj, at 14:02  

  • Agree with you Sriraj. And I fear that this trend looks to be on the rise. We did have such tamasha matches in the past, but I think the organisers never even thought about getting official status sanctioned for those. What would stop them now ? I mean, after all, what IS the criteria ? Just the whim of ICC officials ? I'm surprised that not enough of the influential voices have spoken against it.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:06  

  • Was beginning to worry about you potentially getting Blog Depression. Thankfully not.

    Got a chance to watch the 2nd and the 3rd games of the Afro-Asia cup. I thought it would be true pajama cricket, but the players were playing quite seriously. At least they made it feel like that. For example, Inzy did not bowl Sehwag at all :-)

    Too bad the rains stopped play in the 3rd game. It would have been interesting to see how Asia XI would have played the rest of the innings.

    The crowd was disappointing, and to a great extent, they are justified to say that there is too much cricket and the last thing they want to see is a bunch of guys getting together to play some light cricket.

    Were those games going to be given international status, or was it the Aus vs ROW? In any case, the statisticians and their software is going to go for a toss with such changes! :-)

    By Blogger RPM, at 14:14  

  • Sachin wants MCA to get a move on
    By: Clayton Murzello
    August 22, 2005
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    While India’s cricketing fraternity is led to believe that Mumbai cricket is facing the dark side of the moon, Sachin Tendulkar feels it’s time for players and administrators to sit across the table.

    Bickering among administrators, coach Chandrakant Pandit’s resignation, probable exit of some regulars and reports about players unhappy over the way they have been treated have contributed to Mumbai’s once-enviable image being soiled.

    Tendulkar is concerned about the happenings but is not convinced that things are in a shambolic state.

    “I just feel they should sit together with an open mind and be willing to contribute to Mumbai cricket. It’s absolutely important for Mumbai cricket to get back to where it was,” he told Mid Day.

    “It’s no great news for Mumbai cricket that the players have moved away. I just hope the others stay,” said Tendulkar. In the same breath, the 1994-95 Ranji Trophy-winning captain had something to say to the Mumbai Cricket Association mandarins: “It also becomes the association’s responsibility to meet the players’ requirements.”

    Players have complained that they have had to put up with poor practice facilities. “The only way one can contribute as an official is by meeting the players’ requirements. I’m not talking about unreasonable demands but ones that eventually help cricket — on the ground; not off the field.

    “We’ve been through tough times and we need to bridge those gaps — between the association and players. There might be a lot of demands off the field but basic demands which are going to help cricket should be provided.”

    Tendulkar’s comments came with a prelude: “I’ve not played a match for Mumbai for two years now and I have not practised with them because of my schedule.”

    Pundits make it a point to underscore a drop in standards. Tendulkar remarked: “I get to hear that Mumbai cricket is no more the same, but then, we still ended up reaching the semis of the Ranji Trophy.

    “We are not actually down in the dumps. It’s about gelling well — players and the association. Everyone’s target should be the trophy and nothing else.”
    Juniors... listen to the master!

    I think it’s all about what you feel in your heart. If you are looking at a different lifestyle, it’s not going to work. You have to love the sport and nothing should come close to that.

    Once you love the sport, then you will be willing to do anything for it and everything will come second. No amount of hard work is enough. You have to keep working harder.

    It’s never enough. You should always try and get to the next level. That is something which is so important – it builds your confidence; builds you as a sportsperson and when you work hard you are determined to go to the next level.

    That rubs off on your game and you start pushing yourself to a different level.


    sachin says

    Amol was very unlucky

    I feel one player who missed out (on India recognition) was Amol Muzumdar. He did not get any opportunity.

    There was a stage when he scored hundreds in the quarters, semis and final (in the Ranji Trophy season of 1996-97) and did not make it in the top 36 of India for the Challenger Series.

    I was very surprised — not a good decision. Amol was extremely unlucky. There are few greater achievements in domestic cricket than getting three hundreds in a row.

    After that, if you are not in the top 36, it can nearly destroy you and that happened to Amol.

    Sairaj Bahutule too…

    He was once picked in a one-day game — against New Zealand in Cuttack (in 2003). The ball was so wet, it was as though someone had put shampoo on it. It was that slippery and he found it tough.

    He should probably have been in the Test side instead of the one-day team.

    He played the wrong game. He was unlucky that we didn’t bowl first (in Cuttack).

    The dry ball would have spun more. I wonder how Anil Kumble and Harbhajan manage to grip the ball. I always ask Anil to tell me that secret. It’s beyond one’s imagination how slippery the ball can get.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:40  

  • I think the ICC must have decided to give these matches to get the players to give 100%. But I am not so sure they'll succeed by doing just that. The Diana Memorial match at Lords had no official status, but remember how enjoyable that game was. That was probably because it was not fitted into a cramped schedule. The players were willing, not coerced.
    The ICC (and the BCCI and the PCB and the..) are trying to kill the goose that lays golden eggs.
    But is that something new?

    By the wya, looking forward to a season where a fit SRT joins the team. And hopefully, he doesnt come back till he's 100% fit... He can miss the tests against Zim abd SL and face England for his 35th ton, that'll be nice...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:42  

  • Worma,,,


    just noticed u directed link for above article allready.
    Always likes him speaking b'ze this guy wont try to send SMS through interviews, speaks straight from heart and is unbelievably straight and honest per stature of his.Gives me impression players like Dhoni,yuvraj can learn lot how to stay on ground and just be there.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:46  

  • maher, he does do a lot of diplomatic talk sometimes. He has to often judge the motives of the interviewer, and the 'sensation generating' potential of things before speaking. Tries to stay away from controversy usually, therefore the best he speaks is about himself.
    Ofcourse while speaking, he always has a luxury not many players in the world have enojoyed..the unquestioned place in the team as player (actually I know some people who question that too...but then ;-) )

    By Blogger worma, at 14:51  

  • Toney,

    Agree with you 100% about Sachin ... he should not come till he is 100% fit because otherwise he will play through pain and we all know that for the Indian media (read: Sachin critics), anything he does will not be enough.

    Score 70 and the point is 'he did not score a 100'.
    Score 135 and the point is 'he did not go on for the big one'
    Score 189 and the point is 'he cannot convert centuries to doubles'
    Score 220 and the point is 'he cannot last long enough and score huge ones like Lara can'

    And of course the favorite comment would be 'he did not win it for India'.

    But I know for sure that if he is less than 100% fit, his focus will be more towards preserving the elbow than towards hitting the shots that the balls deserve. That will restrict his flow and as a result, he will get out when he should not.

    For the short term, I am looking forward to the continuation of the Ashes :-)

    By Blogger RPM, at 14:54  

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    By Blogger Pavan, at 14:55  

  • i know his place was as debated as SG but stastically he has not suffered huge drop in form ever.
    i think more or so the frustration was about his change in style.specially when every one else in the team were trying to smash every ball.VS,RD,VVS were in prime form but i guess as soon as all other goes on run drought his value in the team becomes priceless.i dont think anyone was hoping him to smash pakis in that WC_03 match but that only made it sure that he can still play all-out.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:58  

  • Prem...if u r going to read comments, I would like to throw one topic thats maybe(?) worth talking about. This came to light from Zaheer's performance in recent Afro.. thingy. I know the games were not serious, but still they couldnt have been all joking and fooling, with Kallis and co throwing their wickets for Khan. So, given that, how do you judge his performance. Is he improved so much since SL series ? Is he better outside the subcontinent anyways ? (But so good? better than Nehra and Akhtar etc?) Has be taken a quick lesson from being dropped ? Even his batting was more responsible (runs he often gets, but responsible batting is new!)

    I personally felt that he did get more into rhythm than SL series (probably that improves for fast bowlers as they go into the season). But more imp I think he has been a better bowler outside the subcontinent, and in fact this whole Indian ODI team has been a much better one outside home conditions. What do you think ? And if so, isn't it a bit unfortunate that this whole season we are going to play at home (or Pak when venturing out). Won't the judgement of this team, and hence the actions taken for buildup of a future team, be incomplete ?

    By Blogger worma, at 15:02  

  • rpm,
    what does that picture/logo signify? Just curious...

    Have you guys noticed that SRT critics are usually the most disappointed ones when he doesnt perform? More than the die-hard fans? And these same critics are sooo gleeful when SRT doesnt contribute in an INdian victory (Adelaide test, NatWest finals..)
    There are so many more types of criticisms he has to face that I am sure we could dedicate a website to that...

    But I think SRT himself might be his biggest critic though he may not speak in public about that. For eg, I remember Robin Jackman once talked about a conversation he had with SRT. It was the occasion of SRT's first double hundred and when asked to react on that, Sachin said that he had a "problem" in that he kept getting out in the 170s. Jackman said that SRT treated this as a genuine problem (most batsmen would love to have such problems) and did not exactly sound arrogant, as this might have sounded.
    It shows how much he pushes himself, yet with what humility, he conducts his life, in spite of all that he achieved. Sports persons are rarely role models in real life but SRT is sucha glorious exception.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:13  

  • Worma..

    yes thats interesting turn-up actually since they started playing well overseas.SG as captain is succesful only b'ze of that but at home others(captains) did well too.
    And the struggle came for both bowlers and batters.For Zahir khan i am not sure its wake-up call or just more match practice b'ze that guy will slap u rite in next match if u start going ga-ga for him.On consistency he is worst and he should show resulta on that on any conditions.
    Agree that pitches at home dont help but still bowler should try to adjust himself accord to condition and if you go by McGraph's rocket science find line and lenth and dont worry about anything else.
    Another factor might be is they are not sparing time for first class matches.When ever we have home series they plays in one match or (make 3 teams from 36) and thats it.
    I dont think their poor show at home can affect 'team for future' thing b'ze if u look at stats of SRT,RD,VS tells u one thing that if player is good he is good for anywhere.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 15:37  

  • Worma - I read the match report of the 3rd match - looks like a couple of those lbws that ZK got were dodgy. Even so, he did pick up 9 wickets in 3 matches. But the little I got to see of him at an Indian restaurant showing the re-telecast on Zee cinema, he was still bowling a few short outside off and a few down legside.. still inconsistent.. Even Akhtar was guilty of the same.. these guys can NEVER bowl 6 bowls on the right spot.. sigh!
    Maybe ZK wanted t prove his point after being dropped from the ODI team for the Zimbo tri-series.. But I would wager my last dollar that he would have flopped miserably had he not been dropped! These guys flatter to deceive!
    hmmm.... I am starting to sound too cynical again.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 15:59  

  • Sriraj,

    All star games in the states are treated as official. And fans count them as very important.

    By Blogger Rishi Gajria, at 16:16  

  • Maher,

    And you are not going to hear Mcgrath complaining about the wickets in the sub-continent either.

    By Blogger Rishi Gajria, at 16:44  

  • http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/22chap.htm

    Gangu says that the team was lucky to get away with not bowling within the stipulated time frame because of injuries!! SO the horror show continues.. Maybe its not such a bad thing after all - perhaps the only way Gangu can be kept out of the team! And then he says "If we play to out potential we'll beat Zimbabwe."..... what about NZ - cant we beat them, at all? doesnt sound very positive, does it? But then considering India's precipitous fall, their morale is probably at an all time low.. GC has a lot of work at hand.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 18:05  

  • Maher:

    Nothing proves your point about line/length more than the Sri Lankan bowlers performance in Indian Oil cup.

    See these figures in the IND-SL 1st match:
    Maharoof 9 0 27 1
    Dilhara 10 2 31 2

    Then in Finals:
    Vaas 10 1 38 2

    Occasionally, some SL bowlers were hit, but in general, they put the ball in the correct spots more often than not. That was one of the reason why our batsmen never got going there.

    Against WI, we scored 180 in 36 @ 5, then 262 @ 5.24. Against SL we scored 205 @ 4.1, 220 @ 4.4 and finally 263 @ 5.26.

    SL stuck to correct line/length and the results showed. That's why it is important for our bowlers to understand the virtue of accuracy more than anything else.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 18:16  

  • Ruchir,
    We all understand the importance of line and length, so do you think the members of the Indian team dont? I think Indians bowl badly/less effectively because:
    1. They could not handle the pressure of being attacked. (Our expectations out them under further pressure.)
    2. Lack of proper training at the grass-root level.
    3. Lack of a fitness program at the first class level (this situation has improved recently, it seems)
    4. Lack of skill

    I dont think our bowlers actually overlook the fact that they have to maintian good line and length.

    For eg, didnt Srinath know that he had to pitch the ball at least another couple of feet upto the bat, on tours of England and SA (than he actually did)? But he never managed to do that for some inexplicable reason. Today, he devotes so many of his speeches to the current crop of bowlers on that very subject. Did he realize this only after retiring? In that case, we should force all our present bowlers to retire once and then get them back into intl cricket :-)

    By Blogger Toney, at 18:26  

  • Worma, Siraj, I hated to see the offical status given to the Tsunami and Asia-Afro series but I have a slightly different view regarding the Super-series.

    Given the seriousness with which the matches are being planned and 'expected' quality of the games, I think the deserve an official status.

    According to Richards and other players who were involved in the World-series games in the 70s, those games were some of the toughest cricket they ever played and regret that they never got any recognization for the same.

    I know this line of thinking deviates from norm, but so did ODI's and Twenty20...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 18:28  

  • rpm -tongue in cheek, is right on all accounts on SRT - LOL.
    An admirer but not totally blind, I think some ingrediants are missing to put him by himself next to Bradman. If I critique SRT, it would be in this context only.

    As good SRT is, so was Gavaskar ( runs scored at opening are at premium in my book), Kapil also belongs on that platform as a player ( of course, not as a batsman alone) and there is Dravid, if not there already, just getting there. Cotraversial statement is to put Ganguly there as a Captain who brought disproportinate # of victories in India's column, that none of the three distinguished player could.

    There is more problem with fans than the star and superstar players. Once you make Tendulkar demi-god, he is out of human context. He can can age, he can not fail etc.

    It took India 70 years to win so many matches overseas- that Ganguly did in 7 years. Why cann't his critique see that? and honestly, how many team can have players of the stature of SRT, RD, SG and Kumble and still function with reasonable harmony?????

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 18:48  

  • Guys,

    Ok...if one has to give leeway to this Super Series "status" issue, then accord it a first-class status. But (if my interpretation is right), to accord the three one-days and one six-day Test as "official", I mean, how do statisticians compute the numbers? This i nothing short of bhelpuri crciket, guys. Then why have *countries* play each other in the first place, anyways? In that case, scrap all Tests and One Days b/w nations and have something of a UEFA kind of league/cycle, albeit on a worldwide basis. Which, essentially means only the world's best will get to play against the world's best -- no room for others. Another terrific fallout (in that case) would be that the standard of domestic cricket will improve manifold. Once you have more than 80% of your *national* team cooling its heels in your respective nation, the standard of first-class cricket will improve tremendously. I mea, where does this stop guys? We should let only nations compete against each other, or else, people will begin to crave for a Super Series type of format only. I'd rather watch a one-day World Cup of four-six teams consisting of the world's best than watch teams like Netherlands, Kenya, etc make a token appearance. I mean, we criticize Jaggu Dalmiya so much -- but MAlcolm Speed and his ICC board have to realize what they're tampering with. Is greed getting the better of all these guys so much that they want to venture into do-not-enter territories?

    Sriraj

    By Blogger Sriraj, at 19:06  

  • Toney,

    I went to USC for grad school and that logo in the school logo. Check out http://www.usc.edu for more.

    And I agree, I think SRT probably is a far worse critic of himself than the idiots in the media. The idiots are probably doing it for totally other reasons like pushing 'their' guy, or to bring SRT down because of jealousy, or whatever. SRT meanwhile is trying to achieve even more than he does and is too hard on himself.

    That's probably why he has in the past started playing even at 80% fitness, because he thinks he can perform well for the team even though he is only 80%. And that's why your point was good - playing tests against Zim may be good for folks like Gangs who desperately need runs behind them to get back into form, but for SRT, there are more important matches coming along in the rest of the season, so he is better off resting for a bit more than coming in early and risking further damage.

    CrickTip,

    I think the team itself has no issues playing together. It is just the media that creates these stupid walls and the more the players read, the more they get brainwashed. I think smart players will not read the media's comments or will know to ignore rubbish.

    But some of the players in the Indian team depend so much on the media to keep their names 'fresh' in the minds of the public (read: Bajji) that they cannot dismiss the media.

    But SRT, Dravid et al are too mature to give a damn about what 2-cent journos have to say.

    Now, do the selectors behave like cheap journos or professionals? I fear it is the former.

    By Blogger RPM, at 19:35  

  • toney:

    I agree with your observation that our present bowlers should retire ASAP, do commentary for 1-2 years, understand the benifits of line/length and then come back to cricket.

    As you said about Srinath, you get a feeling that our bowlers simply forget this importance as soon as they start bowling. They don't overlook it, they just forget about it. They are good in patches but these patches come far apart.

    Three of the reasons you gave for bad bowling could have been corrected had they gotten more training at a professional place like MRF Pace Academy than by their individual state coaches when they were entrants in cricket. There, they would have got correct knowledge of maintaining fitness, they would have got first rate training from Lillee and their skills could have been developed to the maximum. Of course, all that would depend on how much efforts they put in.

    It is a pity that BCCI does not take full advantage of such a nice training facility where budding bowlers from all over the world come, train and then trouble us. SL bowlers, new PAK bowler, BAN bowlers and some NZ and others, they all have trained at MRF and are now troubling us. But our main bowlers hardly take any advantage of it unless they are terribly out of form.

    About pressure, you are right again. If our bowlers are attacked by someone like Afridi, they loose their common sense and presence of mind. They panic like a chicken about to go under knife.

    I think what our bowlers need is:

    1. Some one to constantly remind them before every ball that line/length and bowling to the field is important.
    2. Some one to correct action flaws that result in injuries and loss of accuracy (I think GC is looking into this).
    3. A place where they can practice for long durations under the watchful eyes of an expert (An expert in neccessary, otherwise all practice is a waste. MRF would be the best place).

    If they don't take care of themselves now, retirement will take care of them. :-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 19:53  

  • Prem,

    Busy with the project for the past one week ? That much hectic Schedule ? I cannot believe it. Eventhough, I am in US for 4-1/2 years, I have not seen peoples busy with project for 1 week at a stretch.

    Any way , Good to hear that you are back. Some day i thought you were hijacked.

    Welcome back.

    By Blogger Shyam Prasad, at 21:58  

  • anybody else seen this story?
    i hope we don't end up in a mess like the windies board and players are in now...not because of lack of sponsors or conflict of interest, but because of the feeling that the players are on a leash, with an a** like dalmiya holding it.

    By Blogger dna, at 22:49  

  • forgot the link:

    By Blogger dna, at 22:50  

  • one more try:

    By Blogger dna, at 22:50  

  • http://content.cricinfo.com/zimvind/content/story/216834.html

    By Blogger dna, at 22:51  

  • Anand Vasu highlights he poor planning that BCCI has shown for the Zim series. Now why am I not surprised?

    http://content.cricinfo.com/zimvind/content/story/216834.html

    By Blogger Toney, at 23:53  

  • What a superb cool press conference Ganguly gave before leaving Zimbabwe. Have never seen him so cool and confident anytime before in his career.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 01:00  

  • Prem, your comments on the superseries squad announced ? http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/23jw1.htm

    By Blogger worma, at 03:10  

  • IMO Vettori in test matches is below Kumble (and for that matter, no Indian bowler for tests? I thought we got them out quite a few times). If it was for the sake of balance, then maybe justified. If it was for good show against Aus, then Kumble was also good (Vettori, I think even better) but then Murali has hardly ever done much down under. Rest of them look ok, although I think Smith was chosen because of lack of good openers (Eng openers not doing too well, although Strauss may yet hit more runs this series). And boucher is currently way below Sangakkara.

    For ODIs, few choices are strange. Choosing Gibbs is like choosing Ganguly! Or maybe even worse. Because Ganguly was even better than Gibbs. But currently both are struggling. And also, if they have chosen Aridi, it has to be as an opener. He is effective lower down the order also, but there are better players to replace him there (Youhana, Malik). So if he opens, then in Sehwag and Sachin there are already two other opening options. Why take Gibbs then ? And choosing Ntini over Harmison ? Or even Rana Naved has been v good down under, and a great year overall. Pathan could have taken that place better than Ntini.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:22  

  • In fact, what about having Bond in place of Ntini ? And Cairns somewhere in the middle (Afridi's position?)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:26  

  • Hi Friends

    Prem, nice to see you back.
    Super series squads selection breakup, if anyone needs to know

    Test
    --------
    Graeme Smith (capt)
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid (vc)
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Brian Lara
    Jacques Kallis
    Andrew Flintoff
    Shaun Pollock
    Mark Boucher
    Steve Harmison
    Shoaib Akhtar
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Daniel Vettori.


    Ramnaresh Sarwan - dropped 2nd selection
    Andrew Strauss - dropped 2nd selection
    Irfan Pathan - dropped 2nd selection
    Harbhajan Singh - dropped 2nd selection
    VVS Laxman - dropped 2nd selection
    Naved-ul-Hasan - dropped 2nd selection
    Danish Kaneria - dropped 2nd selection
    Herschelle Gibbs - dropped 2nd selection
    Andre Nel - dropped 2nd selection
    Kumar Sangakkara - dropped 2nd selection
    Chaminda Vaas - dropped 2nd selection
    Shivnarine Chanderpaul - added 2nd selection


    Michael Vaughan - dropped 3rd selection
    Anil Kumble - dropped 3rd selection
    Brendon McCullum - dropped 3rd selection
    Inzamam-ul-Haq - dropped 3rd selection
    Younis Khan - dropped 3rd selection
    Makhaya Ntini - dropped 3rd selection


    ODI
    ----
    Virender Sehwag
    Sachin Tendulkar (vc)
    Jacques Kallis
    Brian Lara
    Kevin Pietersen
    Herschelle Gibbs
    Andrew Flintoff
    Shaun Pollock (capt)
    Kumar Sangakkara
    Shahid Afridi
    Shoaib Akhtar
    Makhaya Ntini
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Daniel Vettori.

    Ramnaresh Sarwan - dropped 2nd selection
    Marcus Trescothick - dropped 2nd selection
    Irfan Pathan - dropped 2nd selection
    Harbhajan Singh - dropped 2nd selection
    Darren Gough - dropped 2nd selection
    Chaminda Vaas - dropped 2nd selection
    Naved-ul-Hasan - dropped 2nd selection
    Shoaib Malik - dropped 2nd selection
    Yousuf Youhana - dropped 2nd selection
    Mark Boucher - dropped 2nd selection

    Rahul Dravid - dropped 3rd selection
    Brendon McCullum - dropped 3rd selection
    Inzamam-ul-Haq - dropped 3rd selection
    Abdul Razzaq - dropped 3rd selection
    Sanath Jayasuriya - dropped 3rd selection
    Chris Gayle - dropped 3rd selection

    By Blogger Neelan, at 03:36  

  • Inzamam left out of both ODIs and Test-most shocking. In both versions, he is the best middle order batsman in the world and perhaps one of the biggest matchwinners to have played the game of cricket. It's a shame -Sunny Gavaskar. Gavaskar was always poor when it came to selection. Thank God he never became an Indian selector. He was a parochial captain with substandard players like Ghulam Parkar, Suru Naik and many other from Mumbai making the Indian team because of him.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 03:44  

  • Prem this one's a nice article about the super series and stuff and Malcom Speed's response (ever noticed that Speed has become more prominent since Dalmiya's departure from ICC, and Mani is hardly noticed) http://www.hindu.com/2005/08/23/stories/2005082301091900.htm

    Quotes:

    The ICC CEO insisted the "players had requested that these matches be given official status because they value their records a lot. The bowlers and the batsmen stand to boost or damage their averages but they are keen to have a go. The players are quite pleased with the concept." - so if the players asked for official status, then I don't think any of us can complain. But somehow, I dont believe him, looks like half-truth here.

    On the issue of Pakistan expressing concern over the amount of cricket being played, Mr. Speed said, "at the meeting with the captains, three of them said there was too much cricket, four noted the need for more while three others felt it was okay. I think we got it about right." - again half-truth. Did they discuss the breakdown of ODI and tests ? And sure, Bangaldesh, Zim would say its not enough.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:07  

  • Dennis, agreed Inzy is great in the middle order. I think in ODIs they picked more all-round skill players, and Inzy doesnt fit in. For example, Afridi, Malik give more options in the middle. Whom do u think shud have been replaced with Inzy ?

    In tests, he just doesnt perform well in Aus. Check out his record there. Again, whom do you think he should replace ?

    By Blogger worma, at 04:10  

  • Worma, Inzy has scored 500 runs against Aussie at their backyard in 7 Test matches and he also fashioned Pakistan's WC triumph in Australia. On current form and his abilities, he can replace anyone in the middle order except Brian Lara.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 05:12  

  • Inzy in tests : 493 runs at 35, played only one test in last series made 0 and 1. That surely cannot be replacement for anyone (remember Vaughan and Laxman are waiting in the wings!)

    Inzy in ODIs : 598 runs at 29. Not overly impressive, but as I said earlier, I do think he is better choice in the middle order in ODIs than, Gibbs or Afridi or even Pieterson (even Sehwag on current form) etc. As I said, he missed out because of secondary skills(bowling, fielding) of other players I think.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:56  

  • vettori got the nod cause he's a better batsman than kumble. I don't know what Sehwag is doign in the one day squad. He has more failures in the last season than success. He should be DROPPED!

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:02  

  • oh and btw, Inzy's WC matches were against NZ and Eng. Not against Aus. In fact, the Nz match wasn't even played in Aus. (not to mention how long back it was). And also he didn't 'fashion the win'..he just had 2 good matches in a row. Its unjust not on only on the others here with whom you are comparing him, its also unjust on that Pak team if you call Inzy's efforts by that name.

    Even in ODIs VVS Laxman has done better in Aus against Aus, and I'm not even favouring his case. Remember these are games to be played in Aus against Aus. Look at it that way.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:05  

  • i've started to dislike Sehwag's batting. On song, he is great, but when he fails miserably he's just so damn annoying. I rather see a consistent 45+ performance from me than a quick fire 13 in 4 balls or something.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:08  

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    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:10  

  • Nah i don't want to see Laxman in ODI games at all. he is more than a liability. There are numerous times the run rate dips when he is batting. He cant run between the wickets, poor fielder e.t.c And even if he's in his 90s, he takes foreva to get his century, thus WASTING crucial balls.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:11  

  • jay..true in ODIs I think Afridi, Sehwag and Gibbs would fight it for the second opener slot, with Gibbs having the slight edge(although he is also not in prime form). Sehwag and Afridi give the additional bowling option though. I think Christ Gayle is a much better option that all three of them (and also bowls decently). He is in form also. Its just that he isnt as 'high profile' as Afridi or Sehwag.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:17  

  • oops Chris(t) ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:18  

  • hey worma..do u think there will be any coverage of ind-zim-nz series on sgstreams?

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:29  

  • jay dunno about that. I would sure wait for sgstream till the last moment, since I want to avoid the big pacakges that willow is offering.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:36  

  • Inzy
    Inzy is thoudsand times better than gibbs in ODI's . I agree inzy ahs not palyed good test cricket against australia.To me he replaces Gibbs - very simple
    sangakara
    Again lot better compared to boucher atleast in batting
    vshewag
    in odis - no . sanath is better or even afridi

    My Team will be
    ODIS
    1. sachin
    2. Jayasuirya
    3. lara
    4. inzamam
    5. peterson
    6. sangakara
    7. flintoff
    8. cairns/Razaq/Afridi
    9. shoiab
    10. murali
    11. pollock
    12. vettori
    13. kallis
    14. HARMISON

    Replaced

    SHEWAG - SANATH
    GIBBS - INZY
    NITNI - harmison

    Included - cairns

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:37  

  • ODI Team - proper batting order
    1. sachin
    2. jayasuirya
    3. lara
    4. inzy
    5. sangakara
    6. peterson
    7. flintoff
    8. pollock
    9. harmison
    10. murali
    11. shoiab
    12. afridi (super sub)
    Ascairns is not available i will go for afridi as super sub
    If bat first lara or inzy will be replaced,
    if bat second harmison/Murali will be replaced
    Harmison or shoib will finish their 10 overs quota inside 30 overs so that afridi can come in

    i have not included vettori here beacuse jayasuirya can bowl if required.
    We have 4 fast bowlers, 1 spin bowler, 3 parttime spinners (sachin,sanath and afridi)

    Batting - order wise
    We have 3 grt batsman, 2 good batsman(inzy,sanga),4 gud hitters,2 bowlers

    wht do u guys say???

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:50  

  • I saw that the superseries team got announced today. The only issue is that they have not taken Kumble for the tests. I don't see how Vettori can be picked over Kumble. The test is going to be played at Sydney where Kumble almost won Waugh's last test for us back in 2004. That is an odd decision. Also, I don't understand how Graeme Smith can be the captain over and above Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara. Even more outrageous is the selection of Pollock as the captain for the one-day team. Also, given the super performance of the England team in the Ashes, I don't understand how Michael Vaughan or Trescothick were omitted. The omission of Inzy in both forms of the game is also tough to digest.
    Still it should be an awesome game. Imagine the line-up for the tests:
    Smith
    Sehwag
    Dravid
    Kallis
    Tendulkar
    Lara
    Boucher (dumb choice, could have been Sangakarrara or Geraint Jones or maybe even Taibu)
    Flintoff
    Akhtar
    Harmison
    Murali
    12th man: Pollock/Vettori

    By Blogger s anand, at 06:52  

  • Agree with you on Kumble, but I guess 'regional' bias also exists on a global level :-).

    Also I don't think Shewag deserves a place in the ODI's based on current form.

    Will be an awesome team, but doubt if the Aussies will be able to match it....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:38  

  • anand, saurabh : although I also favour Kumble over Vettori (as I said earlier) based mainly on his recent test form, lets remember that Vettori's choice isn't as much a bias as we may like to make it out to be. Vettori has a better test record against Aus in Aus, is in good test form (and not even bringing his batting into picture here). I would think Vettori has a better record than kumble 'anywhere' outside the subcontinent.
    The difference, IMO, lies in the 'matchwinning' capability. Kumble, on his good day, would run through Aus(or any other lineup) and Vettori may fall short. Although I doubt that the pitche and overall condition would 'demand' such a performance from the team's spinner in this super series test match.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:51  

  • there are 2 bizare selections
    Graeme Smith and boucher
    another is vettori over kumble
    i would go with vaughan and sangakara
    it is sydney

    My Team will be
    1. Graeme Smith/m vaughan
    2. Virender Sehwag
    3. Rahul Dravid (vc)
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Brian Lara
    6. Mark Boucher(sangakarra)
    7. Andrew Flintoff
    8. Daniel Vettori/kumble
    9. Shoaib Akhtar
    10. Muttiah Muralitharan
    11. Steve Harmison
    12. Shaun Pollock/Kallis

    it has 2 good openers, 3 all time great batsman, 2 all rounders,2 fast bowlers and 2 spinners
    u need 2 spinners for sydney
    Bowling wise we have 5 regular bowlers
    batting wise we will bat till no 7

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:58  

  • For me SRT is a bizarre selection. On current form and fitness he doesnt deserve a place in either playing eleven. And
    like cricinfo pointed out .. WHY AKTHAR AND NO VASS?

    By Blogger sachin, at 08:50  

  • sachin: SRT has a great record against Aus (in Aus and at home). Also, he averages above 50 in last 10 or so matches (which goes on to show that when we call him 'out of form' its only by SRT's own standards). Who else in his place ? Vaughan (with just ONE good ashes series down under, currently averaging around 35-ish) or Laxman (again, good against Aus, but still not as high as Sachin down under, and then averaging again low overall?).

    By Blogger worma, at 08:59  

  • Prem,

    Thank God Yor Are Alive!

    By Blogger Nilanjan Kar, at 09:00  

  • World XI Test team has 4 pacers:
    Akhtar
    Flintoff
    Harmison
    Pollock

    And 2 spinners:
    Murali
    Vettori.

    I am wondering what will the bowling attack look like? 4/1 or 3/2? In case it is 3/2, which pacer will sit out? Akhtar?

    My guess is that out of the 13 player, Akhtar and Kallis will be asked to sit out for the Test. World XI will need 2 spinners against AUS in Test. It is actually a choice between Akhtar and Vettori and Vettori will win because he has 51 wkts from 13 tests against AUS and Akhtar has 31 from 10 tests. So Vettori has better striking power over AUS. Kallis will also sit out because, for me, it will be a choice between Lara and Kallis (not SRT and Kallis 'cause I am an Indian). Lara has an Avg of 51 against AUS compared to 32 of Kallis. Incidently SRT has avg of 53 against AUS, highest of all 3 of them.

    -----------------------------------

    World XI ODI team has 4 pacers:
    Pollock
    Akhtar
    Nitini
    Flintoff

    And 2 spinners:
    Murali
    Vettori

    Also, 2 all-rounders:
    Kallis
    Afridi

    My guess is that out of 14, Vettori and Sehwag will sit out and Afridi will be the super-sub.

    I am not using Afridi as opener because McGrath will/can take him out early as Afridi will go slam-bang. So why loose a wkt for nothing! Gibbs is in a better batting form in ODIs that Sehwag (Avg of 43 compared to 30 of VS in last 20 ODIs with 3 centuries and 3 fifties). Kallis is a better bowler than Sehwag, so Sehwag really does not deserve a place in playing 11. I am also choosing Ntini over Vettori because Ntini has an Avg of 31 against AUS with SR of 41, compared to Avg of 41 and SR of 59 of Vettori. Big big difference here, hence selection of Ntini over Vettori.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 09:27  

  • Friends Interesting article. make me think to have a go at the BCCI with full force :)

    http://content.cricinfo.com/zimvind/content/story/216834.html

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:43  

  • Worma: I know of sachin's averages against Aus when he was in form and fit. Right now there is a question mark on his fitness and form. I understand selectors picked players whose form against australia is good,but the most important cirteria has to be current form and fitness for past 12 months. An average of 36.8 in ODI since the beginning of 2004 doesnt show that a player is in form for ODI in a superseries. I would have picked Inzy over SRT anyday given current form and fitness.

    By Blogger sachin, at 09:47  

  • sriram this story in mid day http://web.mid-day.com/sports/international/2005/august/116914.htm seems to suggest that the players, more than BCCI, are to blame. I guess we have to draw out own conclusions ? Unless Prem has an insight :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 09:48  

  • Prem,

    From Page 3, er, TOI.

    The root cause for all this, Aamir feels, is the needless exposure that media gives these cricketers and the corporates that scramble to win over them. "Your media jumps the gun and blows out of proportion an odd performance by a player who quickly begins to think that he has arrived. He then believes that an-odd performance is enough to keep his place in team."

    (Aamir Sohail commenting on Indian team selection).

    Prem, what's your take on his comments?

    Thanks much!
    -Hari

    By Blogger Hari, at 09:50  

  • Worma mid day also suggests that there was no discipline from Chappell's employers which i think is the BCCI. yes players are to be blamed for saying they need to saty with their families.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:53  

  • Sachin : What is the question mark on Sachin's form ? Lets forget whether he played with broken finger or injured elbow or what not. Lets judge him purely based on his recent (a) test match runs in last 10-15 innings (b) test runs against Aus(esp in Aus)

    For ODIs again judge him on (a) ODI runs in last 20-25 innings (b) ODI runs agains Aus in Aus

    And tell me, based on these, who should replace him in tests and ODIs. Also remember the batting specialist position(esp for ODIs) - so you cant replace him with Inzy in ODIs because Sachin is taken as an opener. In test matches surely u can try to replace him with someone like Inzy despite diff in order, because both are essentially middle order batsmen.

    Can you give the replacements, with reasons ? (and not just statements like 'on current form and fitness...')

    And btw, sure if he is not recovered from his elbow injury he should not play, and would not play. Whats there to talk ?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:55  

  • sriram sure, BCCI has also messed up with the preperations. Mid-day though tries to point out that Chappel was more angry with players attitude at not being interested in camps etc. His statment "we need to change the mindset, the way people prepare for a match, that will take some time." seems to be directed towards players as much as administrators.

    And then, there is this story on rediff http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/23zim.htm which seems to suggest that BCCI is also not happy with Chappel ! Amidst all this, new coach Greg Chappell starts with noble intentions and futuristic vision. No sooner than he lifts the broom, scorpions from under the carpet gather and aim to leave their marks on his skin. This tour is important for knives are already out for Chappell -- ironically, not from media but from the very people who brought him aboard in the first place. - I hope there is not much behind this ? I mean, he's hardly one series old ! And we are already thinking of changes.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:02  

  • Worma
    My replacement for SRT in Test is Inzy. I understand his form against Aus in Aus is not good, but a test average of nearly 60 is enough for me to pick him up instead of SRT. Also want to add that RD's performance in 99 against AUS in Aus was below average. But he did manage to turn that around in 2004. So Inzy on current form could have emulated RD's
    performance

    For ODI, I wouldnt have selected SRT as an opener. Primarily because of late he has not been able to effectively use the 15 overs. On current form, he plays more like a middle order batsman, and again I would pick Inzy over SRT if i had to choose another middle order batsman. As for openers I am fine with sehwag and gibbs/afridi.

    My above opinions are hugely influenced by SRT's form since beginning of 2004.

    By Blogger sachin, at 10:05  

  • World XI team, I would have gone for,

    Tests :

    Ashley Giles for Vettori, for frustrating Aussies and pick up wickets as well, better than Vettori.

    ODIs :

    Mahela instead of Gibbs & Inzy instead of Afridi, much better players in Aussie conditions & that game is played in indoor, better players who play their shots late & would not throw their wickets.

    Mahela in current form, a must for World XI, 95/6 chasing 221 on a difficult wicket with half-batsman is not a joke unless you are in top form and confident

    By Blogger papugopu, at 10:17  

  • Sachin : what wrong with Sachin's form beginning 2004 ?

    Test matches : Sachin's avg since 2004 (after returning from Aus tour where he scored 300* at Sydney, the venue for the super series test) has been 57.9 in 12 matches. Inzy in 10 matches has been 58.7. So is that the huge difference you talking about ? And remember, this is just ONE test match. Sure, you cannot expect any player to do a 'turn around' in just one match...as you are implying Inzy can turn around his test form against Aus similar to Rahul ?

    For ODIs sachin is doing better than Sehwag currently. Whether he plays like an opener or middle order is your judgement, but he is selected as an opener. And Inzy wont open. (btw Inzy averaging similar to sachin in last 20 games). Afridi is also averaging less than Sachin. And if you go into their records against Aus in Aus, they are hopelessly below sachin.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:20  

  • hi guys good morning,

    lots in dish today to talkabout.On world11 selection there are few questionables, mostly Africans.

    (1)Most bizzare is Boucher.I dono what this guy has preoved recently,Recently b'ze couple of series ago he was strugling to get in SA team, guess Sangakara is 2nd to gilly in world.

    (2)Gibbs-- there are lots of players in world better then him, to name few cris gyle,youhana,flemming,sarwan etc.
    (3)Bond--If you want fire-power and intensity he is step ahead then Akhtar,They both could destroy Aussies,when on song.BOND missing should not be excused as injury b'ze Akhtar is no better then him.
    (4)
    Dono but Pollock as ODI captain, doesnt suit much.

    (5)Given the test will be played in Sydeny kumble is sure miss and same reason sums up SRT will be very valuable at Sydeny first thing he made double 100 last he played there and 2nd he will be very useful as spinner given that this match may go to 6TH DAY, (6TH DAY PITCH....WILL BE TOUGH FOR GROUND MAN)

    (6)Afridi is one day special but i doubt his potential to be one of best of 11 in world.(u have flintoff,peterson still for what u need Afridi??)

    Lets Continue...

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:21  

  • update....afridi averages quite high in his last ODI series in Aus, but all his innings were at number 8 position. And I have a strong feeling that he would be used there only.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:22  

  • Giles in World XI!!!! That will be the day we acknowledge that the spin is dead...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:23  

  • Surprise to see many questioning SRT's selection.

    I will play him lifetime agaisnt Aussies.only thing u guyes are missing is SRT is playing them well since first match, whether there is mcgrath and warne in team or not, but there are couple of players who excelled agaisnt Aus when they both were not there.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:27  

  • Worma - The fact that SRT was even considered given his current fitness problems is laughable. In my opinion his name should not have come up for discussion for either the super series or India's ODI or test squad, unless he shows his form by playing competive cricket for domestic competitions.

    By Blogger sachin, at 10:27  

  • Sachin,
    All players are considered given they will be fit to play in October,For some players you dont have to calculate in last five matches.otherwise chandrapaul is best in world currently.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:32  

  • http://us.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/23chap.htm

    GC is learning lessons...Indian way of things....he must be kicking himself for taking this assignment.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 10:34  

  • sachin...I think the selection commitee knew that he would be playing competitive cricket before the series, and thus his fitness (or lack of) would be known. And btw, if he is not fit do you think he (or any player) would risk his job (i.e. their position in their national team) by playing a friendly game ?

    I think its ridiculous to consider fitness as a criteria. And especially so for sachin, because he seems to be doing ok even in 'poor form and fitness' as you put it.

    Btw are you sure about the fitness of all the involved players ? Are you sure they will be fit by October ? Thats why I said its no use speculating on fitness. Form and runs and matchwinning ability should be the only criteria.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:36  

  • Akhtar wont tell anybody, even if he loses all five fingers day before match.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:38  

  • Just to add, thats how all cricket selections are done. The selection committee asks about your fitness, if required make you go through a fitness test, and then select you based on your record, form etc etc.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:38  

  • Thanks for the info on the selection process guys.

    By Blogger sachin, at 10:40  

  • Worma,
    good take about Mani-Speed.

    i guess Dalmiya was way better then Mani and Speed looks like got freedom nowadays.They tolerated Asian for full two terms tells about reaches Dalmiya had.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:43  

  • Jaysurya, is another big ommision, wonder this gibbs, Inspector Dinanath Chauhan fron Delhi police should get him from Melborne.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 10:46  

  • Sachin:

    Last 10 Tests against AUS in AUS:

    Sachin - 830 runs from 17 innings @ 51.87 with 3 hundreds, 4 fifties, 1 not out

    Inzy - 493 runs from 14 innings @ 35.21 with 1 hundred, 3 fifties, 1 not out

    SACHIN TENDULKAR WINS HANDS DOWN...



    Last 20 ODIs against AUS in AUS:

    Sachin - 452 runs from 16 ODI @ 28.25, 0 hundred, 4 fifties and 0 not outs

    Inzy - 387 runs from 16 ODI @ 24.19, 0 hundred, 4 fifties and 0 not outs

    Cricinfo retuned on 16 ODIs for SRT so I took 16 for Inzy too.

    SACHIN WINS AGAIN!!!

    And mind you, there are better middle order batsmen than Aalu... :-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:47  

  • Isn't it about time for Prem to start updating his blog? He usually starts around 10:30 ET.

    Where is he?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:53  

  • Ruchir - As with selectors, even fans suffer from regional bias and every stats can be looked through various "filters". I still feel selection of SRT over Inzy was more to do with the hype associated with the player than actual form. Again its my opinion or what i perceive as my "filter".

    By Blogger sachin, at 10:58  

  • If at all Aalu is selected somone please break his leg so that he can have a runner. In the recently concluded Afro Asia cup he was clearly out of sorts (as usual) when it came to running between the wickets. Even Aamir Sohail said that Abdul Razaaq should have better known having played with him for so long!!

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 11:15  

  • Sachin:

    I respect your choice of Inzy over Sachin. I don't have any problems with that!!! :-)

    I thought that performance against AUS in AUS would be the BEST parameter to judge who should be selected and who should not. If you have a better parameter to base our choice between SRT and IH then please tell me what it should be.

    We can't just say that IH is better than SRT? or that Mohammad Ashraful is better than SRT. I can say that and keep saying that ignoring all statistics, can't I?

    But when you make a selection, you always base it on a particular set of parameters that are applied equally to available options (SRT and IH in this case).

    I respect your feeling of choosing IH over SRT. But what I can not understand is, exactly WHAT are you basing your feeling on? When you say "actual form", what does that mean to you? How do you find out "actual form" of players? There has to be some criteria, some parameters that you would use to calculate or, what is the word here, "quantify" actual form. Right?

    That is the thing that I want to know. How are you caculating actual form of SRT and IH? Maybe guys like me, Worma are wrong in saying that SRT is better than IH. We are showing you our parameter and criterias for saying so. But if you disagree, then at least please let us know WHY are you disagreeing.

    So, I would appreciate it if you would let me know that based on WHAT are you saying that Inzy is in better form against AUS than SRT. :-)

    And yes, I am a huge fan of Inzy and he is the 2nd Pakistani (I am not using the word PAKI here) whom I respect a lot, after Akram. So there is no chance of a regional bias because both SRT and IH are from South Asian region!!!

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:15  

  • What still amuses me is if form against Aus is a criteria Why is VVS not selected for the test team??

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 11:17  

  • sriram its a mix of overall form, form against Aus, past performance, matchwinning capability. Ofcourse its not simple formula hence a panel of selectors instead of a simple computer.

    By Blogger worma, at 11:29  

  • Sriram:

    I am assuming you are hinting at selection of SRT and saying why VVS Laxman was not selected over him? If so, see the stats below:

    Last 10 Tests against AUS in AUS:

    Sachin - 830 runs from 17 innings @ 51.87 with 3 hundreds, 4 fifties, 1 not out

    VVS - 715 runs from 13 innings @ 59.58 with 3 hundred, 1 fifties, 1 not out

    VVS is great in AUS against AUS, but not better than SRT. He may have a place

    If you see the selecte test team, the possible batting order can be:

    Smith
    Sehwag
    Dravid
    Sachin
    Lara
    Boucher
    Pollock
    Flintoff
    Vettori
    Harmison
    Murali

    Obviously, VVS can be included in the playing 11 only in place of Dravid, Sachin and Lara. Do you think he is better than any of these 3? We also have Kallis, but my gut feeling is that he will be sitting out in the Test. Even if VVS was selected, he would have sat out becasue, again, he could not have replaced those 3 players in playing 11.

    Of course, VVS's performance against AUS in AUS is better than Kallis. So, yes, VVS could have been selected in place of Kallis.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:29  

  • Sriram:

    Sorry, I typed wrong stats for Sachin. Here are the correct from Cricinfo:

    951 runs in 18 innings @ 63.40, 4 hundreds and 3 fifties.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:32  

  • Ruchir,
    I think that Habib bashar and Asharful should have been selected instead of Lara and SRT. Also the coach should have been Whatmore. One more thing, I want Darryl Hair to be appointed as umpire, so that he can no-bowl the biggest chucker on earth

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 11:38  

  • On a different note, ICC should have picked the playing 11 from 2 countries only, Ind & Eng. Here is my playing 11 for the 6 day Test:

    Sehwag
    Strauss
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Laxman
    Ganguly (Captain)
    Jones (Wicket Keeper)
    Flintoff
    HArmison
    Jones
    Kumble

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 11:49  

  • Some of you say Aus v/s ROW is useless still go on and comment about it.

    Meanwhile Indian team departs for Zim amidst customary confusion and glaring lack of planning http://content.cricinfo.com/zimvind/content/story/216834.html

    By Blogger Amit, at 11:50  

  • Worma, agree with you. If fit, Sachin should play, even if it's his first game.

    Guys like Sachin and Lara are slightly different from lesser mortals....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:56  

  • amit, Aus Vs ROW is someting new, so it merits discussion. As for India's preperation or lack of it, you said it; its customary, so nothing to talk about...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:58  

  • santa:

    Why Habib and Ashraf? I think you (Santa from NJ) and Banta Singh can replace Lara and SRT any time!!!

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 12:04  

  • Unbelievable that some one blames Gavaskar for Haq exclusion. There was a panel of five or six. What if Gavashar was outvoted? But he does not say that Gavaskar responsible for dropping Dravid in ODI!

    Some one asked about bowling combination.
    4/1 or 3/2?

    It is more likely 3 fast one Murli and half Kallis in Test.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 22:44  

  • Form or no form, could someone calculate the # of TVs switched off if Tendulkar not playing ? and if Haq not playing? and related loss of revenue?

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