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Wednesday, August 24, 2005

Like, wow!

So what is the lesson from all this mayhem, anyways?
That Zimbabwe's slide down the slippery-est of slippy slopes continues, with no end in sight?
That the Queens Sports Club ground, in Bulawayo, is as expected a batting beauty, and when India meets New Zealand the contest will boil down to who can slug the ball harder, and oftener, than the other? (Which among other things seems to imply packing the side with batsmen, with the supersub role becoming even more important when it comes to covering for a mainline bowler getting the stick)?
That the Kiwis are in great form -- which seems to underline Saurav's words, as the team was leaving India, that 'if we play to potential we can beat Zimbabwe' (A rather curious comment, I thought at the time -- why not 'If we play to potential we can win the damn tournament? Or are we not going in there with that ambition?)
And finally -- if the 400 ceiling had been smashed in this game, what in real terms would that record have been worth, considering the nature of the opposition? Or in other words, does this, for the nth time, raise the whole question of whether cricket now needs two tiers?
Oh by the way -- had a couple of concerned mails asking if I had succumbed to blogger fatigue. Nope -- am fine, blogwise and otherwise. Is just that a new, additional brief landed in my lap, and I need to work things out so I can fit the added workload into my schedule. Figured, it made sense to soft pedal the blog now, so's I have all that other stuff figured out before India starts playing cricket again.
In other words... this blog could remain sporadic till tomorrow (Thursday) evening, but from that point on, when we play our first game of the triseries, regular service resumes. Thanks for understanding, all.

474 Comments:

  • Hi prem,
    wonder which tier India will fall in on present form, in if we have two.

    By Blogger suresh bala, at 12:26  

  • Prem, are u sure that that Saurav comment was for ODIs. I think it was in context of the test series.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:31  

  • and btw, am also disappointed at this batting beauty pitch. was looking forward to some non sub-continental cricket. Hope we get better pitches for tests.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:32  

  • i'm with worma regarding the comment by gang though i dont think we have to play to potential to beat them
    Technically the 400 limit has been crossed as this was a 44 over match and has the hishest ever recorded runrate for an ODI

    By Blogger JD, at 12:34  

  • yeah but jd remember we havent played tests in a while, even Nz were in a slight bother in first test (and we dont play as well as them outside the subcontinent) so I would still be saying we have to play at potential to win. Ok maybe atleast at 80% of potential to win :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:37  

  • I find it hard to believe that Gangs would have just set his limits to beating Zim, and assume the we are going to lose against NZ.

    But speaking of NZ - they scored 397, and missed the 400 mark, but it was in only 44 overs!!! That is ridiculous!

    Is Zim truly that bad? I think it is a combination of both Zim being TERRIBLE and at the same time, NZ being in a totally dominating form.

    Which only means that India is going to end up #2 in this series also. Because India is neither in top form nor in top confidence.

    By Blogger RPM, at 12:46  

  • rpm...not only on form, but on current capability we shud end up 2, isn't it ? After all we're ranked way below Nz. So unless we play out of our skin, I see us loosing the 'series' of 3 games with Nz (assuming we reach final, which is highly likely)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:57  

  • if we are to improve our rankings this tournament is very significant. playing against a higher ranked opponent outside the subcontinent.i could be wrong but i think these factors give you more points once u win the tournament

    By Blogger JD, at 13:23  

  • I think the score of 397 against a team with Streak and Blignaut was the responsibility of a NZ team in form. And this with no Astle in the side.
    Chris Cairns and Astle like our attack, so I guess the Kiwis might just score 300+ rather often in this tournament.

    Having said that, we might just win the finals. It seems no one has any hope of us winning it, and the team usually does what we dont expect to do..

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:23  

  • intresting thing was cairns got carted around a bit too at 8/over.
    isn't he playing only in ODI's these days?

    By Blogger JD, at 13:28  

  • Indians already have excuses for not doing well in this tri-series.. not enough time to acclimatize, no practise games, no camps,etc etc.. its probably going to be a repeat of the Lanka series. Get beaten 3 out of 3 against NZ and barely scrape past zimbo in the other 2 games.. If there were 2 tiers of 6 teams each, India would be in the 2nd tier. Eng Aus, Pak, SAF, SriLanka, NZ would be the top tier. India, Zimbo, West Indies, Bangla, Kenya and one of the Assocaite countries would form the 2nd tier. Then we would have some serious competition. India might have a success rate of 75% then.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 13:37  

  • tiger.... Hope Ruchir does not read this. he is gonna come out all guns blazing at you fro saying this. I was at the receiving end from him for a comment on those similar line. Just a warning ahead. No hard feelings Ruchir

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 13:46  

  • Based on current form, current state of affairs, current ranking, and everything else, India should end up in the second tier in a hypothetical 2-tier system.

    And then it would have trouble getting Windies off their backs!

    But jokes aside, this could end up being the 'turnaround' series if I look at it optimistically. True, we have not had much prep time, and true, things were all crazy at the time of departure. But having Zim (doldrum team) and NZ (not a true arch rival, so the pressure is lesser) in a tri-series is a good time for the out of form India to get back and get started with the long season ahead.

    By Blogger RPM, at 13:47  

  • tiger:

    And after getting a success rate of 75%, we will start shouting for getting into the 1st tier... With Dalmiya's help, we will... only to be thoroughly bashed up again by others... :-(

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 13:48  

  • sriram:

    No hard feelings, buddy...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 13:49  

  • Looks like PAK board is not very different from BCCI...

    http://us.rediff.com/cricket/2005/aug/24mian.htm

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:01  

  • Ruchir,
    I am disappointed with your response. I expected you to give him a piece of your mind to tiger :)
    Maybe SG wants history to repeat itself. India had lost 5-2 (or was it 6-1) in NZ and were in poor ODI form leading upto WC 2003. And in the actual tournament, they lost to none other than the champions.
    This time, maybe, he wants to ensure that India are in an even bigger rut that they definitely end up being champions in 2007...
    Having said this, I (and am sure a lot of you) believe that our ODI performance is based on the batsmen clicking and I had been hoping since the middle of last year that batsmen will get back into form sometime soon. What I cannot understand is, how could the same batsmen who ruled 2003 suddenly be in such poor form for so long...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:02  

  • Prem:
    The SG comment was in reference to the Test series and why won't he say so, after all we have NEVER won a test series in Zim.
    So stop taking potshots at SG all the time, it actually dilutes your credibility.

    By Blogger Mr. V, at 14:06  

  • Its called ATTITUDE and the APPROACH towards the game Toney

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:06  

  • I find it hilarious how the PCB and the President of Pakistan discuss cricket. Whatever Miandad says must be taken with a pinch of salt. But Musharraf getting an update from his dutiful servants in the PCB is funny. I wish I could hear what was discussed in such meetings.
    General Mushy should rather see that more people dont die of fighting as part of the local elections...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:07  

  • he is the DICTATOR in true sense. poking his nose even into cricket.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:08  

  • toney:

    Sorry to disappoint... ;-)

    The thing is that tiger and others made their points and I made mine. Isn't that the idea for this blog? Put your points forward?

    So, I am cool... until I read something I don't agree with .... ;-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:10  

  • sriram,
    Its not attitude alone. I dont think these batsmen dont make any effort all the time. I am sure they try to put their heads down, play themselves in and do everything else necessary to get back in form. I think attitude includes only such things. AndI am sure some of them, at least, endure long net sessions and work on their game.
    But it seems the batsmen just cannot dominate the way they did during that one good year. How many really convincing wins have we had, against any team in the past year?

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:11  

  • Ruchir but the beauty is we cant predict when you would agree and when you would not just like our teams wins and loses. ;)

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:13  

  • precisely my point their approach towards the game is also to be blamed. Just a hypothetical thing they think oh this particular bowler is too good hence play him with caution even if the bowler bowls a rank bad ball which begs to be hit to the boundary.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:15  

  • Also the hype suurounding a player like Dhoni after the Vizag innings I have never seen him play a good knock. One innings he is a hero and they seem to think they are invincible and have cemented the place in the team.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:18  

  • toney:

    An example of what would happen in PCB meeting with Mush...

    Chief Selector: "Sir, that gentleman you sent? You wife's sister's brother-in-law's elder son? He came and met me. What a dynamic man, sir. Superb player."

    Mush: "Hhhhmmm... But he was talking to me about some difficulty?"

    Selector: "Yes sir, yes sir. Although he is having some difficulty in scoring run in domestic matches, I will take care of it. I will ask our bowlers to bowl slowly to him, specially on the leg side. Then he will score freely."

    Mush: "So when are you selecting him? I hear ENG is coming?"

    Selector: "Oooohhhh. No problem sir. Consider it done. By the way, what position do you want him to bat on?"

    Mush: "Uuumummm.... Give him Aalu's place and ask aalu to drop down the order. Okay, now, Mr. Treasurer. What do the accounts say?"

    Treasurer: "Sir, your accounts or PCB accounts?"

    Mush: "Damn you. I know about mine. Talk about PCB."

    Treasurer: "Sir, we made 20 crore profit this year till now."

    Mush: "Okay, deposit 15 khoka in my swiss account. That's all for now. You may go; and don't forget about that boy."

    Meeting ends......

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:20  

  • sriram:

    Unpredictability !!!!

    That's my beauty, isn't it? After all, I am an India.... :-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:23  

  • Warne Slams Trent Bridge groundsman???

    read this:

    http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13924202&headline=Warne~slams~Trent~Bridge~groundsman

    After becoming taking 600 test wkts, Warne still needs to get defensive when groundsman makes a comment on the pitch? And that too when groundsman also said that Warne could turn ball on a "glass topped" pitch!! I wonder why he is defensive?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:28  

  • toney - I finally got the sportingstreams account to work.. BTW, what exactly does one do in order to watch the games.. Do you need to reqeust them to send you the link - each person has to do this individually?? I am not clear how exactly does it work?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:28  

  • Hi prembhai, kem chho??

    As some guys said earlier SG said it for tests and mentioned it.Looks like Prem is also rushing like Ind team, so i will say take ur time.
    And look who is angry over players attitude....

    http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76850

    And yeah,i dont believe in these tiers and we so we should not waste time debating it.Minnows are nothing new in cricket few years back srilanka and Zimbabwe were there and who knows we were minnows too(for long long time) So we should live with it.

    And i doubt this Newzealand team also.On paper they have maximum allrounders and they are there since quite some time now.And if we say ours dont perform b'ze of harakarry associated with team, these newzealanders have no such problems and still i dont see any eye catching performances from them.only thing they do better then us is lose to good team bu beat the beatables.

    Lastly, i do remember the pitches they gave us before world cup.it was joke and we still faults our board for taylor-made pitches.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:31  

  • That was pretty funny, Ruchir. I would love Mushy to read this:)
    Srira, hypeis not just our problem. The English have it too. Didn't you read any of their papers which hail Ashley Giles, all of a sudden. Apparently, he lends variation to the "fastest" attack in the world. Maybe he bowled well in the last couple of tests, so what?
    And yeah, there are a few Dhonis in our side. It will be unnecessary to go over that again and again...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:34  

  • Agreed Toney. But the bad part is indians get carried away by hype (forgive me Ruchir :)) and Englishmen seem to be level headed in taht aspect.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:38  

  • Hey Maher, no one ever said that those green tops in NZ were the best pitches in the world. But we were in poor ODI form during that perdio, thats all. I think we would have lost the series, even on standard NZ pitches.

    Tiger, normally, they put an announcement that so and so link is available. Usually, it happens 15mins before the match, dont know why they do that. Usually, the guy who puts up the announcement sends an email ID where you have to request the game, as per their instructions.
    There are some instructions on the site on how to manipulate the link with your user name. Nothing difficult at all...
    The response to the email is prompt (usually automated, I think). Most links are to be played in winamp.

    I watched parts of today's match...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:39  

  • Guys,

    I am by no means a fan of AA, but this report 'Number Game' by S. Rajesh clears spells out the unthinkable. AA was one of the star performers for the last season!! I just couldn't believe my eyes.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/214018.html

    I went through the last season's stats and realized that he has done well against Zim and BD, but has been very inconsistent against Aussies and Pakis. Ofcourse inconsistency is his forte, but still he had a couple good performances against the Aussies.

    Besides AA, what was more interesting was the stark decline of Bhajji the wicket taker. He has done well to restrict the batsmen, but he hasn't taken many wickets. His average slumps from 27.67 in 2003-2004 to 39.81 in 2004-2005.Zaheer has fared even worse than Bajji where he slumped from 25ish to around 44.

    On the other hand, Murali Kartik has done reasonably well in ODIs.

    http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?sdb=player;playerid=7136;class=odiplayer;filter=basic;team=0;opposition=0;notopposition=0;season=0;homeaway=0;continent=0;country=0;notcountry=0;groundid=0;startdefault=2002-03-16;start=2002-03-16;enddefault=2005-04-12;end=2005-04-12;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;scheduledovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;result=0;followon=0;seriesresult=0;captain=0;keeper=0;dnp=0;recent=;viewtype=aro_list;runslow=;runshigh=;batposition=0;dismissal=0;bowposition=0;ballslow=;ballshigh=;bpof=0;overslow=;overshigh=;conclow=;conchigh=;wicketslow=;wicketshigh=;dismissalslow=;dismissalshigh=;caughtlow=;caughthigh=;caughttype=0;stumpedlow=;stumpedhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewtype

    He did well against the Aussies in Australia and did well against the Pakis. Considering the attitude issues that GC is having with Bhajji, Bhajji should be replaced by Murali. Maybe he will do well just like Hogg did for the Aussies. He replaced Warney quite well in the 2003 WC. I still remember the interview that Bhajji gave after the De-Buno exercise (6 different colored caps) when he said that white is the only color he likes because it is the only color available during a test match (what an insult to GC).

    By Blogger Mayur, at 14:40  

  • Ruchir, maybe Warne is upset because he will not get the $4,000 for his "pitch report" :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 14:46  

  • mayur:

    Come on, man.... cut some slack to Agarkar...

    Of course he is consistent !!!
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    In being inconsistent all the time... ;-))

    By the way, Bhajji usually give these Lalu kind of answers, but isn't that the reason why everyone likes him as a person (not meaning to insult GC, ;-) ).

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:49  

  • saurabh:

    Too true... ha ha ha

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:50  

  • This part of the comment on the Zim match today was interesting...

    There was little sign of unrest, although the police who led one supporter away early on in the New Zealand innings decided on a punishment cruel even by their standards. They escorted him back into the ground.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:57  

  • Did you guys read this on TOI?

    http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickies/1209308.cms

    Read More's comment, specifically... (3rd slide)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:04  

  • Another gem (of re-cycling news) from TOI... Pot calling the kettell black...

    http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickies/1209282.cms

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:06  

  • Ruchir,
    I had decided to skip almost all TOI content, but read this, just for you...
    Showers predicted for tomorrow's opening day of T4, Ashes. I for one, think that the Aussies should have a better chance in moist conditions (unlike what Harsha Bhogle predicted at the start). See how McG used the Lord's pitch and weather conditions. The Aussie batsmen might not be in great form but I dont know how much better the Poms would do in difficult conditions. History says they dont do so good.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:10  

  • I wonder how much planning has gone into the new super-sub rules.
    TOI sucks, old or new, they are quite adept at giving the trashy angle on news.
    Ruchir, don't forward the "20 prettiest Latino faces" further down on the home page.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:15  

  • Come on guys.. take a break. Have a glass of Lassi or two. It has been since morning that you guys are busy chatting/posting.

    P.S.: no puns intended here.. it is a sincere request.

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 15:16  

  • Santa,
    Honest to God, I was going to wnquire about you and your daily quota of lassi to Prem today. Where are you based from? Looks like this is your first post...

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:24  

  • Toney,
    As my name says, I am from New Jersey, USA.

    And yes, this is my first post today.

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 15:30  

  • toney, its raining today but tomorrow & Friday are sunny with showers predicted on Satruday.

    Traditionally, the Trent bridge pitch is eases out after day one.

    This should pose some problems for Ponting if he wins the toss. given his experience, he may want to bat first but ideally you want to bowl on this wicket.

    Interesting to see what happens tomorrow...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 15:31  

  • does any one what is the US EST time on Friday for the match b/w Ind Vs NZ ???

    By Blogger Shyam Prasad, at 15:37  

  • Santa Singh aapkaa Edison mein dhabaa kaisa chal rahaa hai? Makki di roti aur sarson kaa shag hai ki nahin?

    By Blogger Mr. V, at 15:37  

  • toney:

    Okay... I will forward the "20 prettiest Carribian faces"... ;-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:40  

  • Shyam...
    3.30 AM EST...
    Need to buy coffee..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 15:42  

  • shyam,
    getting ready with ss?

    What time does the Ashes start (EST)?

    Santa, yeah, should have guess you were from NJ. Best of luck with your lassi and dhaba business :-)

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:45  

  • shyam:

    It will start at 3:30AM EST....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:45  

  • Toney, Ashes start at 10:30 UK time, so it should be 5:30 EST...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 15:47  

  • Here's a prediction for the tournament:
    India WINS all its games, albeit a cpl closely, ...against Zimbabwe and looses all its games, albeit comprehensively, against NZ. The team captain then claims it was a pretty good result as they made ot to the finals yet again!!!
    Yawnnnnn!!! Where have I seen that one before ?

    By Blogger KB, at 16:01  

  • Oy Santa bhai,
    Send some Lssi here man, its sweltring!!!!And while ur at it, how about some Pakodas and laddu?

    By Blogger KB, at 16:05  

  • Since we are predicting here goes...I feel India will win the Tri Series and the test matches...just a gut feeling..I did feel that the batting top order was starting to get back in shape in the last Sri Lankan match and hope it continues on that path..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 16:10  

  • Guys who need lassi, pakoda, laddu and stuff, can visit Sher-e-Punjab dhaba on Oak Tree Road.

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 16:11  

  • sher-e-punjab rocks...i also luv the stuff at khasiyat.

    By Blogger The Suds, at 16:17  

  • Was on site of tsn. ca canadian version of espn,and this is what NHL host think about cricket,in carribean...
    "Barbados is getting spruced up for World Cup of Cricket Finals, to be held here in 2007.
    Philip, our driver, was listening to a match between the West Indies and Pakistan when he picked us up at the airport. I believe he was still listening to the same match when he dropped us off. Cricket is insane."

    Tough to explain them.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 16:21  

  • BTW all this,

    AREN'T ANY OF YOU MISSING INDIA??
    I MEAN ITS SAWAN AND MONTH OF FESTIVALS,

    NAND GHER ANAND BHAYO....

    SANTA, BREAK LASSI MATKI...

    By Blogger MAHER, at 16:27  

  • Prem,

    Forget about the triangular. Write about the Ashes. Much more interesting.

    By Blogger Rishi Gajria, at 17:00  

  • Rishi,

    Ever since Prem's prediction for England (i.e. their weak batting and kind of weak bowling) went wrong, he has stopped commenting on Ashes.
    The last time he commented on Ashes was after the first test...

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 17:06  

  • I still remember what Prem said after the first test.

    "Looking at this English side, I dont see how they are going to get 20 Aussies wickets"

    Famous last words...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 17:12  

  • Saurabh,

    See what happens when one doesn't drinks Lassi :-) they can't analyse things properly :-)

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 17:45  

  • Actually I dont have problems with people going wrong on predictions.

    We all do from time to time.

    My question is "Did Prem see this English team play bowling before making those comments". If I understand correctly, he has been in the US for the last 2-3 years so in all likelyhood he did not see any of the games England has played in the last 2 years or so.

    Would love to hear directly from the horses mouth...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 17:50  

  • ILoveCricket -- I hope that is not wishful thinking...

    Look at http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulliestory.php?content_id=76890

    Why do we always pull a person down when he is sincerely trying to turn things around... GC has every reason to be miffed with the attitude of the players...

    Wonder who the "senior player" is -- SG, VS or YS?

    By Blogger Kannan, at 18:37  

  • The key match in the tournament is gonna be between New zealand and India in the finals. But just seeing the way Zimbabwe have been slaughtered, this Indian team should be shot dead if they somehow lose even a single ODI(remember the loss to Bangaldesh) or fail to win both the tests by an innings.

    But you never know with Indian cricketers. Andy Blignaut travelled for 96 runs today. He may come back and take 5 wickets with India. By the way, India never won a Test series in Zimbabwe in past 2 attempts. But this is possibly the weakest test playing team of all time. So looks like our almost never ending wait of winning a test series outside the subcontinent since England 1986 is coming to an end finally....statistically at least.

    By Blogger From the great Waugh to the fucker called Ponting, at 19:00  

  • would it be realy a victory even if we do win?
    I want to see how we perform when the Poms come calling later this year. Agreed its in india, still I wanna see how they play Harmisson and ZFlinty at 90mph.
    Damn I wish I wasnt a poor grad student so I could actually pay money and watch those games.......

    By Blogger KB, at 19:17  

  • fucker:

    Curious to know why you chose this screen name?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 19:57  

  • Who do you guys think will be India's main scoring batsmen ?
    It seems to me that in current form, we boil down to 3 -
    Dravid
    Yuvraj
    Kaif

    in that order.
    Rest of them - Sehwag, Ganguly, Dhoni, Raina (?) etc will scratch around since they are finding form.
    I am not too confident of Kaif either, from whatever I watched of him in Sri Lanka tourney.

    Then we have our glorious allrounder - Agarkar. I think we may be in for surprise. He may hit at least 1 fifty.

    Who else do we have ?

    - Shekhar

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 20:04  

  • Dude the way things are going, Agarkas as allrounder!!!, u and I can go and score runs!!!

    By Blogger KB, at 20:06  

  • Shekhar...Ganguly will make runs...for sure...the problem is in how many balls :-(

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 20:13  

  • Also Shekhar..For the first ODI ..I am hoping against hope that Sehwag and Yuvraj fire...Most important, of course, is that India wins the toss and bats first..If that happens then I think we can win in the first game..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 20:21  

  • From the Indian Express article, it's quite clear that Chappell started to have problems even before Ganguly came into the picture. All thoese talks and his support stuffs etc. happened during the training camp when Ganguly was in England. As I pointed out yesterday, even Ganguly was finding it tough to handle the younger lots during the pre Chappell era. That's why Gavaskar was brought in according to one of the old reports. I suspect three players namely VS, YS and HS as the main culprits from the younger lots.

    By Blogger Jai, at 20:24  

  • My prediction, VS will come good in this tournament and we all will unfortunately forget his wrong list of failures and savour his success in a meaningless tournament

    By Blogger Toney, at 20:25  

  • Even if that IExpress article was written with more imagination than actual facts, I am disappointed in a couple of things.
    I always considered us Indians as receptive to something new, a scientific approach to coaching for eg. But people like Harbajan, who seem to be sarcastic abt GC's methods convey the wrong impression. Even if you dont exactly enjoy somethig, ridiculing it in the media is not exactly funny, if he had intended it that way.
    The way GC dressed up for the PC shows that he is more uptight than casual in such aspects. I am sure there are going to be lots of conflicts b/w him and the countless egoistic guys in the team. Hopefully, GC doesnt suffer in silence or even try to compromise with his own values to last long as a coach. I think John Wright must have been pretty happy to leave in the end because of all the factions and egos in our team.

    By Blogger Toney, at 20:36  

  • Guys .. anyone watched VS in Afro-Asia cup ? I did. It was crap. I know he hit something like 20s in one match. It was scratchy at the best. I could see Sangakkara batting fluently at the other end.
    The point is we hope *always* that the team will fire at once, but we don't realize that the reality could be different.
    The current team we have, is a mixture of people who had been great performers (SRT, SG), some have matured(RD, YS) to play better role in ODIs, some are coming on (MD) and some are in midlife crisis( VS. MK ). I am not talking about bowlers because apart from Pathan I don't believe we have a good performer coming on. Unless the successful people support non-successful ones; and non-successful ones make all out effort to catch up, we will be 2nd tier team (in the discussion above).
    I say give GC some power to run the team. Put some disciplinary measures in place. Be ready to take some defeats .. but put the players with attitude problems out of team.
    - Shekhar

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 20:43  

  • Interesting reading all the comments. I just think this is a no-win series for the Indians and Ganguly in particular. If they score a few runs, its good but still not an indication of their form considering the opposition. If Ganguly fails then I think he'll be shown the door. And if the rest fail along with him, it would be comical if they drop say YS and AA to bring back AK and VVS. And that's the situation GC has to steer away from. If he needs a core group of players for the WC he needs to have a stable team first. But then again, this is just another not-so-important tri-series in India's schedule. Wonder if SRT's elbow is truly healed. I read a report which quoted him as saying that he was not confident about it. And then the physio mentioned that he was coming along well..and now he is in the team for the Test matches and the Super series.

    By Blogger Ashwin Ramachandran, at 22:27  

  • curious comment from SG indeed - maybe appending the Q that elicited this comment from SG may make it not so curious after-all?

    but then that would make it all too boring to report, eh?

    duh!

    By Blogger chatura, at 23:31  

  • Mr. V
    u are right on about Prem's irresponsible and out of context comment about Ganguly statement - winning against Zim. There had been two failed attempt to win one off series by Azhar. Ganguly on last trip managed 1 win / 1 loss. Now he is talking about winning the series. What is so wrong about that?

    Prem, when your bias against the Indian captain is so well known, why not exercise a little extra care when you go in print. It is a lot different than me saying something here as you have a huge following. You and most of your followers are so darn ready to critique anything and everything, it creates an impression that no one, not even one, is any good on the Indian team.

    Administration is not going to change overnight. May be you should go and contest for a post where your ability will make meaningful contribution. If that is not possible, lobby the cricketeers who you think are worthy to carry cause of India and influence the outcome.

    Thanks for your time..

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 23:44  

  • SRT is usually dead weight for the team. it'd be good if we just kiss him goodbye. bye hey, if SG can get a berth, why not SRT could be an argument. our guys just don't have it in them to be consistent - in their mind, they don't think that they are the best and hence are just happy to be listed amougst the greats without actually trying to be one.

    By Blogger ur buddy, at 23:57  

  • crictip, prem "might've" quoted SG out of context but you never know. if you remember, just b4 the WC finals, SG kept saying that it is quite an accoplishment that we won 7straight matches to be in the finals facing ausies ... and things ended right there. the team just gave up after that feeling smug. so ... u never know, prem may be right - SG might've set himself a more reachable target - after all, with his batting he needs to lower the expectations of everyone to stick around as a captain :)

    By Blogger ur buddy, at 00:04  

  • Hi Prem,
    Saurav probably only meant tests.
    sri

    By Blogger srivatta, at 01:05  

  • I would agree with what Jai said. HS especially! We were traveling to the US and had a chance to see the Indian team in Singapore right after the disastrous NewZealand tour. While SRT (for all his achievements) was very polite in his demeanour, HS (he was only finding his feet then)was very arrogant even when we wished him good luck for the world cup ("We will see" was what he said)

    By Blogger srivatta, at 01:19  

  • hello everyone,
    i have been following your comments for a few days now and finally decided to sign up. this seems to be the first intelligent community i have seen who actually know how to have a decent interaction where everyones opinions are respected even if they disagree with it.
    well here goes:
    why on earth do we have to put up with players who are indisciplined? as madan lal suggested in the mid-day sports section we should drop them. the only language our players seem to understand in that of financial pain. i wish the BCCI would have a pay structure wherein they would get paid when they won and fined when they lost. lets see how long we would languish in the 7th position were that the case.
    regards
    kosmicshanti

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:13  

  • k-slice : how do you know that the current lot is in-disciplined ? Hold on to this report for a few months. Lets see how much 'indiscipline' we hear about before jumping the gun. Sure, it doesnt need a Madan Lal to figure out that the simple method is to sit out the regular defaulters (whether selectors have the guts to do it or not is another matter). Sure Chappel would know how to handle when, as Prem said earlier, a visibly humbler person like Wright could solve it.

    Btw, how often do you hear about such indiscipline in Indian team these days ? I would think not much. And also, do you know both the sides of this story ? I don't, and neither do ANY of the media people reporting on it (surely not MadanLal).

    I would say that this incident did not deserve full article coverage in any of the channels...at the most it should have been a few lines in a full column about Indian departure and their prospects for the series. And sure, if this thing keeps happening again, then the same media can claim that they did report it everytime, and that its a 'habit' of the players.

    By Blogger worma, at 02:23  

  • worma, wishful thinking that - about the media not making a hue and cry about such things and avoid preaching their hearts out. :) this is precisely the kind of news they thrive on and have them all rubbing their hands in glee. now a series of 'quotes' by former players and other assorted idjets would follow in addition to some 'exclusive' remarks by some 'senior members' of the side who shall, of course, remain unnamed.

    By Blogger chatura, at 02:34  

  • worma,
    this is not the first time we have encountered indiscipline of sorts. dheeraj jadhav, the maharashtra opener is a very good friend of mine. when he was selected in the 14 against australia he gave me a brief insight about the situation in the dressing room. when players were asked by wright to report at a certain time they never did. typically the so called star players(srt notincluded) were the usual defaulters. my only question is if we pay the coach so many thousands of dollars shouldnt he be able to boot the players who dont listen to him? this happens at even district level teams. lets not complicate things by implying that the indian team is any different. it is just a team. i would like to know how many of these players report late for a commercial shoot. as you rightly pointed out our selectors dont have the balls to do anything about it. nair saying we will take action is equal to me saying i will do something about the petrol prices. i thnk this what GC needs to be doing. who cares if we dont have a kaif or a bhajji. they certainly are not indispensable and hopefully GC will let them know that.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:35  

  • Prem has twisted Ganguly's statement, just as the media has been doing for some time. Ganguly had mentioned a few times before, that winning the tri-series is the 1st thing in his agenda and in his last press conference, he obviously meant the Test match series as India has never won a Test series there before.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 05:07  

  • Guys, when we loose,we find problems in almost every incident.
    i just want to see what we say if we are able to even(!!!) win the zim leg say both tests and odi's
    Everybody will be singing that this is the only team in india which did not have factions and disciplined etc ect etc

    Anyway till cricket comes,these are the things which we and the media have to harp ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:07  

  • i completely agree with dennis. prem. logically speaking ganguly would be a fool if he implied that zimbabwe are the only team they knnow they can beat. think about it everyone knows that our only real competition in the tri series is new zealand. i am sure if even one of our top order fire consistently we can beat them as well.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:10  

  • k-slice....sure there was a discipline problem in India team...and that has been sorted out by Wright....if you had followed the discussions here you would have read about this. Prem also mentioned some incident as an example of how Wright dealt with it. So, my point being....this Indian team, under Wright, was disciplined 'enough' (I wouldnt say disciplined to the best...and I personally dont see that important..as long as there is enough discipline not to hamper with the team working, development and results aspect)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:18  

  • I am very happy with whatever level of discipline that existed in this Indian team in the 2003-2004 years...which gave us not just good results...but a good 'team' also...and I dont know if your example is before that period or not. If yes, then it would seem it was corrected, and if no then I dont think it matters. And remember we are not used to reading such indiscipline issues in the last few years. Whats behind the scenes is not for us to debate. For all we know, even this champion Aus side may have such discipline issues in the background, we dont have 'insider' info for them ! As far as they are good in their cricket (and I dont mean just results, all aspect of cricket) it should not be of concern.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:22  

  • England win toss and choose to bat at Trent bridge. All eyes will be on Shaun Tait...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:25  

  • yeah saurabh...looks like his debut gets bigger and bigger..now he would open the bowling !

    By Blogger worma, at 05:27  

  • I think that disipline thing has been blown out of proportion by the media.

    Its a bit ironical that Prem and rediff had taken a totally different stand when Bajji and a couple of other guys were taken to task due to indicipline a few years ago at a training camp. Cant rememeber the exact incident now...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:30  

  • And Prem didn't open a thread again :-)..I wonder if he's watching, its too imp to miss

    By Blogger worma, at 05:31  

  • yeah saurabh..agreed with your first statement...as I said some time back...this issue did not deserve a full article in any of the channels..(umm...ok maybe indiatimes ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:32  

  • so we have 5 guys in this test match capable of bolwing at 90mph+

    when did this last happen?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:32  

  • I think Jones has cut down on pace, hasn't he ? And well...last time...umm..Aus vs Windies...1980s?? :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:34  

  • oohh..kasper opening...i dont like this :-(

    By Blogger worma, at 05:34  

  • no, jones has been getting faster as he continues his recovery from that injury couple of years ago. He is bowling in the 90's but not all the time...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:36  

  • saurabh...imagine the possibility of adding Tremlet to Eng side in next match (lets say if Hoggard is totally off) !

    By Blogger worma, at 05:38  

  • Agreed. I was hoping that he would play in this game but given the fact that the Trent bridge wicket generally assists swing, Hoggard deserved a chance...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:40  

  • hey does anyone know the sgstreams event id for the ashes? cheers...

    By Blogger jgohil, at 05:53  

  • Looks like good batting strip, no movement. Also looks like Aus have a modified game plan of waiting for Eng to take the initiative and make mistakes in the process. Instead of attacking for wickets. Which explains Kasper opening ahead of Tait. And not a bad move I would think knowing Eng are desperate to win, and have even earlier been over-attacking in their approach.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:54  

  • Yes Worma, but am surprised that the Aussies are not getting any swing as it is supposed to swing in the first session on this ground. Maybe they have been concentrating on 'reverse swing' :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:05  

  • and the no-ball saga continues. We have already seen 6 no-balls and its only the 7th over..

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:06  

  • I have posted some interesting stats on my blog regarding this ground. Will update as the game progresses...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:08  

  • I have posted some interesting stats on my blog regarding this ground. Will update as the game progresses...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:08  

  • in spite of good bolwing by the Aussies, the score is already 35/0 in 10 overs.

    As expected, Tait in...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:15  

  • i just noticed...Ind-Zim test matches are all starting on Tuesday !!...so fifth day is saturday...WOW..great planning by someone. As it is, hardly enough people come to watch in their stadium, and then we have this.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:20  

  • i like the England model; all Test matches start on Thursday. Wonder why the other countries can't figure this simple thing out.

    And Tresko hits Tait for 2 fours...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:25  

  • well i know in India we dont care, because we get enough full stadiums anyway. But surely its imp from tv viewership point of view also.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:29  

  • In India, the decide when to start the Test depending on the side of the bed Dalmiya gets out from. Crazy...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:31  

  • 53/0 in 14 and Drinks. To repeat Prem's famous last words, "I dont see this attack taking 20 wickets"

    I say 'last' because he has gone quiet on the Ashes after the first Test :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:33  

  • yeah but saurabh prem was referring to the Eng attack...and ofcourse none of us had dreamt of seeing 'this' aus attack :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:37  

  • saurabh you watching ? looks like batsmen are not even troubled too much ? and still scoring at 4 per over. Wonder where would Aus go from here ? Sure they cant get Warne in so early. I would see a draw coming unless Aus mess up their batting completely

    By Blogger worma, at 06:40  

  • I know which attack he was referring to :-)

    What a turn around in fortunes...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:40  

  • No, I am still stuck in USA.

    Travelling back this weekend but might catch some action tomorrow with a friend of mine.

    Draw seems unlikely unless it rains.

    Damn 69/0 in the 16th over...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:42  

  • make that 72 with 12 no balls!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:43  

  • saurabh, yeah i said draw with rain also in mind. but even otherwise looks like a pretty stable pitch...nothing for bowlers. Sure eng bowlers would get more out of it, but then they are going to bowl on day 2 and 3 (which according to your stats is the best time to bat here). So all in all, Aus would have to loose it in their batting.
    Meanwhile I still skeptically wait to see Eng batsmen making some mistake like Edgbaston. So far going steady.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:46  

  • worma, I am moving to the "Corridor of uncertainty". More bloggers there...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:46  

  • meanwhile Aus bowling is becoming the Indian home bowling of the 90s. Get someone to do the pretentions of bowling 'pace' and then get that bloody legspinner on asap :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:48  

  • yep saurabh, me there as well :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:48  

  • England has started from where they left in the last test. the aussies r suddenly looking so vulnerable since the 2nd test match.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 06:54  

  • yeah well..McGrath and Warne have been their bowling backbones. Gillespie was ok in their company. So you remove that and they should look ordinary. I would even say that this attack against Indian batsmen would bleed even more heavily than now !

    By Blogger worma, at 06:56  

  • Worma
    thats the first thing i noticed that the matches are all starting on tuesday. unfortunately i doubt they will go the length which means people who work during the week wont be able to watch them!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:58  

  • true k-slice. What stupid planning !

    By Blogger worma, at 06:58  

  • worma
    i agree with you on the attack. given that the wicket seems quite batsmen friendly i cant dare imagine what SRT dravid and sehwag would to to the ozzies!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:59  

  • and Laxman too

    By Blogger worma, at 07:01  

  • and Gangs :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:03  

  • does anyone know when england are touring india next? that would be an interesting series to watch im sure!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:04  

  • ok saurabh...Gangs too. now dont get in Gambhir also :-))

    By Blogger worma, at 07:04  

  • Hello all...entertaining morning at Trent Bridge.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:04  

  • k-slice its March next year. 3 tests only, though.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:05  

  • I guess all of us are already looking forward to the English Tour to the sub-continent :-)

    It will definately be followed with more interest then Aus Vs WI or Aus vs RSA...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:05  

  • saurabh is there Aus v RSA planned during that time ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:06  

  • well i dont think peopel like hoggard would be on that tour. given that he got tanned the last time he was here. i just read an article that was comparing agarkar to flintoff and forcasting that AA can do what AF is doing. hahahahahahah. dude im gonna piss myself laughing

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:07  

  • jiet entertaining ? its almost boring by this series' standards

    By Blogger worma, at 07:07  

  • k-slice who-ever did that was stupid. Even AA is quite clear about his role, and said he is a bowler primarily. Can get a few runs in tailender roles.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:09  

  • yes, Oct-Nov Vs WI, Dec-Jan Vs RSA
    and then Feb away to RSA.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:09  

  • strauss gone...freak dismissal of his boot to warne

    By Blogger worma, at 07:10  

  • ohh AUS tour to RSA same time. Thats interesting. I dont think it would be a cakewalk, SA fight well at home atleast.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:10  

  • Worma...true :)

    nearly 5 runs per over though...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:11  

  • Warne strikes. Again, like Edgebaston, Strauss goes before lunch. But a good start.

    England need to consolidate here and not lose another wicket before Lunch...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:12  

  • against this bolwing attack, even Zimbabwe will recon they have a chance :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:12  

  • i hope vaughan continues to batter the ozzies ,speciallyw warne

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:14  

  • vaughan bowled off a no ball ! didn't this happen earlier in this series ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:23  

  • Hello everyone,

    Aussies resembling someone we are too familiar:)

    By Blogger Neelan, at 07:25  

  • 18 no-balls. Bizarre...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:25  

  • oops that was tresco not vaughan.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:26  

  • and yes vaughan was bowled at old trafford...bbc confirming that...aus seem to be getting almost everything wrong in their bowling

    By Blogger worma, at 07:27  

  • 3 times its happening in the series out of no-ball!! very unlike aussie.

    By Blogger Neelan, at 07:28  

  • worma, it was Tresco this time. Last time it was Vaughan.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:28  

  • pedestria: the best way to describe the aussie attack. is everyone sure our team actually went to zim and not to trentbridge. damn even our bowlers are betetr than this!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:29  

  • actually, Neelan you should say "very like the Aussies" now. 35 days is a long time in cricket.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:29  

  • k-slice..i thought are bowlers are better than this..why the 'even' here ? This is a test match, isn't it ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:30  

  • did anyone tell tresco that this is a test match and not a one dayer? dravid should watch and learn as should laxman!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:31  

  • Commentators seem to indicate that if it was not a no-ball then the batsman would have been out. I, for one, feel that is faulty logic.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:32  

  • New terminology in cricket; "He has been Aussied" meaning bowled of a no-ball.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:32  

  • yeah...i think SRT and Lara should also learn from him ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:33  

  • k-slice...incidentally Dravid is the most highly rated Test cricketer in the world. Not sure he has much to learn from Tresco, as much as I like the way Tresco plays.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:34  

  • saurabh, I think its already called 'he has been PAKed' ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:34  

  • All thru this thread there were lot of comments regarding our bowlers, consitently inconsitent-not disciplined-and what not. A couple of tall fastbowlers is what we need. All successful teams over the years had that. Until that happens India will continue on the same lines.

    By Blogger Neelan, at 07:35  

  • worma
    the word even becuas ei thnk our bowlers suck. the reason(my opinion purely) being that they are inconsistent . have we ever had a bowler play one year of consistent cricket? ok kumble might qualify but he is at the end of his tether now. name one more fast bowler who has been consistent. i think to the contrary we are, as someone said earlier consistent in being inconsistent. yet as i said even our attack would do slightly better that the current ozzie attack

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:36  

  • lunchtime show bodyline series, worth watching

    By Blogger Neelan, at 07:36  

  • the dravid comment was pure sarcasm. what i implied was that if tresco can bat like this in tests why cant RD bat like this in one dayers. it was a joke.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:40  

  • k-slice in test matches last year Balaji, Pathan and Kumble were consistent. in 2003-2004 Kumble and Bhajji were consistent. Thats why I reminded you this is a test match. Our bowling is good. Sure you should keep in mind where the matches are being played and what kind of bowling suits those conditions. For example, do you think McGrath has been consistent on the subcontinent (not to mention Warne)? Do you think this Eng bowling would be consistent in subcontinent conditions ? Sure u can wait and watch, but remember all of them have been here (except Harmison I think) and hardly did much.
    Just because we suck in ODIs (currentl) and just because our 'recent' cricketing memory of India playing cricket has been of ODIs doest mean we forget what kind of test cricket we have been playing for past 2-3 years ? You think we are number 3 in the world by fluke ? Or just by (good batting)+(anil kumble) ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:41  

  • worma
    if we are such a great team why cant we beat pakistan at home? look i understand what you are trying to say. i love the indian team too and i am definitely playing the devils advocate here. i still feel that we have one consistent performer and that is kumble. the rest of our test bowlers are arbitary performers

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:45  

  • Worma
    McGrath is exceptional in the subcontinet

    see this
    Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
    8 80 21* 11.42 0 0 33 4/18 21.30 0 3 0 IND
    5 17 6 4.25 0 0 19 5/66 31.00 1 2 0 PAK
    4 23 10* 11.50 0 0 10 3/38 29.20 0 3 0 SL

    That is
    17 tests 62 wkts on the flatest of tracks

    By Blogger Neelan, at 07:47  

  • Two questions : (1) So how many teams in the world have more than one long-term consistent performer ? (2) How many of these teams are below us in test ratings ?

    Point being, I also get your point that you need long term consistent bowlers. But those are called 'great' bowlers. And we should be happy to have Kumble, with others coming in and having 1-2 great years around him. I dont think even this Eng attack is 'long-term' consistent YET. Sure they might go on to be, but so far they are all 1-2-3 seasons old. That much of consistency has been shown by many of our bowlers in past few years (bhajji being one, balaji building on, Srinath was one for 3-4 years during his peak).

    I think thats how most test teams are. Its just Aus who have two greats in their ranks (and thats why they are where they are).

    By Blogger worma, at 07:50  

  • rsa had pollock and donald at their peak. the windies had 4 at one point, pakistan had the 2 w's and imran at the same time. all were super consistent and thats why they were world beaters and we are third instead of first. balaji wont be a great even if he inherits srinaths body and skills!! pathan has a chance and so does nehra as long as we keep him wrapped in cotton wool between matches.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:54  

  • neelan : lets have some perspective. What is 'consistent' ? It means 'similar level of performance' right ? You think McGrath having 19 tests in Asia for 72 wickets (only 1 five wkt haul, no 10wkt/match) is consistent ?
    Even Srinath has 119 wkts in 36 matches (6 five wkt hault and 1 10wkt haul) !!!...now surely Srinath should not be the same calibre as McGrath ? Not in 'results' atleast.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:56  

  • k-slice...RSA were world beaters (means they beat everyone) so do we. And they didn't beat Aus, we did. Neither did Pak. And despite having 2 or 3 greats, they were never number 1. So that shows what ?
    Anyway, lets talk of 'current' teams....my point was that this team is good enough in batting and bowling to be number three. Sure there are many many areas to improve in. But that doesnt mean they deserve to be compared to any team who is being thrashed around.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:59  

  • worma point accepted.
    although do you honestly think that our bowlers are world beaters today? and as far as the 2000 auzzie bashibng in india goes, they thrashed us at home last time they came here. it was commendable that we drew the series in australia but remember we could have won it had it been for better more consistent bowlers in our side

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:02  

  • worma your logic here isoximoronic. on one hand you say we arent as good as the auzzies, with which only a fool would disagree. then on the other hand you say i shouldnt compare our mightly indian attack with any old side thats getting thrashed around. incidentally that happens to be the mighty aussies in this case.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:07  

  • Well if you talk of 'could' we could have won this last home series also (or atleast drawn comfortably). And hey, NO our bowlers are not world beaters today. I think on current form only Eng and Aus have bowling lineup of that category. An attack who can beat any batting lineup anywhere, in a long term (not just one match).

    But, I would still like to partially reserve my judgment on the Eng attack as I want to see them do that on the subcontinent. As we just discussed above, the Aus attack has done it here (as well as in SL, Pak). And I say this because we know that it takes a lot more than talent and aggression (which Eng attack have plenty) to do well here. And going by Harmison's up and down form and his self-confessed relunctance to travel (and India is a specially diff destination for Eng, so add to that problem)things can change for them.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:08  

  • anyways guys im off se eu guys tomorrow

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:09  

  • k-slice : We are not as good as Aus as a team (although one starts to doubt, with 'this' Aus team :-) ) And I say you shouldnt compare it with OLD attacks which are not in game anymore.

    And btw, the Aus attack being thrashed around isn't the 'great' Aus attack that we know of.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:10  

  • Worma
    The point is..with limited skills available the basic least thing that they could is do the basics right, that is bowl on one side of the wicket, no noballs, no wides and show some common sense.

    All these bowlers are not holding the ball first time isnt it, they are playing for the country, and what we see

    Zaheer straying all over at the most important match not once not twice!! Yorkers-dont know whether he understands it!!!
    Kumble the epitome of consitency bowling crap when he is most needed
    Nehra he is the best cricketer in the whole world very suitable for supersub, just make him bowl his 10 overs (and only if he is in form) and throw him out.
    The list is endless....

    By Blogger Neelan, at 08:11  

  • Looks like the players arriving late atthe Hotel has become a big Issue with BCCI. BCCI will ask for an explanation from the players who turned up late.

    This from an Institution that has never done anything on time. Don't think it will have any impact on the Players.

    Having said that, it is difficult to understand why 16 players can not turn up at the Hotel on time.

    I believe that lack of Management, Planning and authority is the cause. We need a "dictator" in charge of BCCI who cares about Indian Cricket rather than the present dictator who cares more about his position and the money BCCI makes from TV companies etc.

    Test 4 of this Ashes Series looking good so far.

    Weather could play spoil sport again. Most Cricket Fans here are questioning the timimg of the Series. They believe that Ashes should have started much earlier. Probability of rain is high in 2nd half of August and throughout Sep.

    Rain prevented an England victory in the 3rd Match. Hope that does not happen again.

    By Blogger Ani, at 08:12  

  • worma i agree
    which is why i think they will leave hoggard out and bring tremlet to india. harmisson will be lost if he comes to india!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:12  

  • neelan...as i said earlier, lets not mix things. I was talking about test matches, and all of what you are saying above applies to ODIs. Just because we have 'recent memory' of ODIs should make us 'extend' that performance to tests.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:14  

  • I think they will bring both. Be interesting to see what other 'spinner' they bring. I personally feel they should persist with their winning attack. Unless Harmison freaks out, as you said :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:16  

  • Fleming playing mind games?
    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/videoconseries/content/story/217069.html
    he may be right though!!

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:19  

  • So many comments that beats Indian Cricket down. Waiting to see who ends up with mud in their face

    Ravi

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 08:21  

  • i think they will bring giles with them if he is still alive by then!! as for harmisson he is guaranteed to freak out. besides i hope we have tracks that turn square. that way either ways their 90 mile an hour attack will be neutralised or become fodder for our batsmen!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:24  

  • Ravi, we all like to see India "play consistenly well", that is important, things which always frustrates even when India is playing well, is these little little things, the careless approach to the game

    By Blogger Neelan, at 08:28  

  • yeah k-slice i hope there is no repetition of Nagpur (as in Aus tour) ! And not even Mohali (as we gave the opening match to Hussain's tour). Let them reverse swing their way to victory if then can :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:30  

  • Neelan,I agree. But, why don't we wait for the events to unfold before tearing the team to pieces.SG,RD,YS,VS.. u name them , they have all played wonderful games in the past. But, is there a necessity for them to wear their hearts on their sleeve. Is that the only display of national pride that satisfies the fans.If they win, it is a fluke.If they lose,the match has been fixed.Give me a break. Have heard enough in the past few years.Believe me,if they win the Zim series(and for SG and India's sake, hope they do)it will all be attributed to a weak opposition, a tired NZ team that has already been in Zim for 3 weeks or NZ peaked too early etc.,But nothing positive will be written about the Indian performance

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 08:36  

  • Ravi
    No pun intended tell me what is there to right positively about the Indian time after near wins and half hearted efforts in the last year. Tell me one good reason based on performance of the past one year what is there to write about positively after all this dismal performances. you seem to be the definition of a true fan. I want my team to play and play well. If you go down fighting I can appreciate it. If you give up fighting at all llike what happened in the B'lore tes against PAK(Of all people you should know better coming from B'lore) How can you expect people to have faith in them. Its more the fustration of the people out here for our team performing badly which is being shown here. Dont mistake this as a wish of all of us here for the team to lose.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:57  

  • sriram : dunno about true fan, but you seem to be reasoning as a true detractor ! Our last test match in last season was Banglore, and it went horribly wrong - mainly on tactic. not on skill, not on implementation.

    Tell me before the last match, what was there to be so negative about ? Be realistic (keeping in mind we are not world champions) ?

    Or are you applying the 'one is only good as his last result' logic here ? :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 09:01  

  • Ravi,
    If guys like VS and MD can receive all the accolodaes from the media and the fans (MD for one single innings), then they should be prepared to take some blame for their numerous poor performences too. I think its a fair criticism to say that the Indians are doping horribly, especially in ODIs. And I dare say, the chances of India losing to NZ are higher, taking into a/c the current form of both the teams. It does not mean that anybody has a personal vendetta against SG or any individual team memebers.
    To couple such bad form with carelessnes, slack work culture etc means the criticism could be rather sharp. They shhould be prepared to take it.

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:05  

  • Test starting again after rain. Hope the Aussies are not saved by rain here. I had thought that the extra moisture would help the Aussie bowlers but there never seemed to be a lot of help in the morning.

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:08  

  • Worma, What about the home series against the Aussies? Did we not perform badly on couple of occassions. Then we needed a turning wicket like Mumbai to save some face. I am not saying its the teams fault alone. For instance The wicket in Nagpur could have been prepared better in the same series. Its the whole system whcih makes me feel this way. Coming back to the tactical error. You bosat of batsmen like RD, SRT, VVS and SG then you go on the defensive? does that make any sense. Thats what I meant by giving up without a fight. No substance players like AG gets glorifies. As they say "It happens only in India" Rana naved was mainly looked upon as a economical bowler until the india tour happend not to take away credit from him. But after one test we as a team should have gone to drawing board to see how to tackle this situation whcih we failed hence the result and all this frustration.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 09:14  

  • Guys,

    Not to beat India down but do keep your perspective. As a team it is ranked 7th in ODI's. There is a reason for that. We may say that we have great individual players and their past records show that. But ODI game has changed - first Australia showed and now England. For example, Steve/Mark Waugh and Thorpe would be in the Indian team today! We might have players with awesome ODI records but the team, quite frankly, sucks. Team composition is slightly more that just getting a bunch of players with the best records together.

    By Blogger Sandeep Nalgundwar, at 09:19  

  • sure sriram home series against Aus was bad, we could have done better. But that would have been added positive. Not doing that does not mean we are worthless hopeless duds ?

    So because we could not play out of our skin to beat the number one team on the world means that we are in a position that "...what is there to right positively about the Indian time.." to use your quote !

    So if Eng loose next two matches and thus this series, they are worthless team, right ? Sure they are giving a fight (and so did we, even in 2004) but they are hopeless loosers and no-hopers if they loose to number 1. Is that your logic ?

    And please dont talk about the bangalore test, unless you want that to be the barometer for juding the entire year's performance. We all know what went wrong, and also agree it was bad cricket on India's part. If you agree that we shouldn't judge on ONE TEST, then lets talk outside it. (or do you want to judge Australia's ODI performance in 2005 on the basis of their ONE ODI loss to Bangladesh ??)

    By Blogger worma, at 09:22  

  • what I dont like, Sriram, is 'generalising' based on Bangalore. For example you say "...You bosat of batsmen like RD, SRT, VVS and SG then you go on the defensive? does that make any sense. Thats what I meant by giving up without a fight..." - as if you are implying that we play like the bangalore test everytime we go out in the field for a test.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:23  

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