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Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Omissions and commissions

I need to spend time today catching up on work. And then catching up on those oodles of posts you guys have put up. :-)
Before that, though, couple of quick thoughts on the team for the Zimbabwe-New Zealand triseries, that occured to me when I glanced through the team list that day:
1. Whatever happened to the selectors' determination that Sachin Tendulkar would have to prove his fitness at the domestic level before he is drafted back into the side? The same selectors now pick him provisionally without even being sure if he will be physically fit, never mind match fit?
What is the message here -- that the selectors are so worried about the tough opposition Zimbabwe will provide in Tests, that they feel the need for Tendulkar's presence as added insurance?
Surely the sensible thing to do was to not rush Sachin back into competition? To assess his progress on a day by day basis, draw up a timetable for when he can get back to heavy duty nets, when he can progress to playing the odd domestic game to test match fitness, all with a view to bringing him back when he is fully fit?
This way, you risk him at a time when he is still recovering; worse, you risk him in a Test series you should feel confident of winning even with a second string team; and this risk translates into the even bigger risk -- of him being out through a recurrence of injury later this year, when we play the really important games. So, in a word, why?
2. Rudra Pratap Singh being given a look in is interesting, and about time. But what earthly reason did the selectors have to drop Lakshmipathy Balaji? The only game he played on the Lanka tour was the league match against Lanka... where he went 1/48 in ten; not too hot, but surely not sufficient grounds for his omission (consider that in the same game, Harbhajan Singh went 1/49 in 9, and no, I am not comparing apples and oranges here).
Puzzles me, the axing -- just as I can't figure why a Zaheer Khan would be considered unfit for the one day game, but a must pick for the Tests to follow. Why was he dropped from the ODI squad? Poor form? Then why would the selectors have reason to think that will change in Tests? And uh oh -- Ajit Agarkar? Must be the 'promising all-rounder' bit. Or it could be, as I think I remember some of you guys pointing out earlier, that his stats look good in comparison with the rest.
Whatever -- makes me wonder if we have some sort of superannuation policy for Indian cricket? Or do we after each tour recycle the same tired names? You pick a player in say February of 2004; you never pick him again for the next six months, till August; then you drop him; pick him again versus Bangladesh; drop him; pick him for one game against Pakistan; drop him. Pick him...
On what basis do we select -- and equally, drop -- players anyways?
You could micro-analyse the team as selected -- but I guess you guys have done it all anyways, by now. So will go catch up with the work that has piled up, and later in my day, get back to reading previous posts. See you guys later.
PS: Need a day or so to ease back into this blog... way too much in the in-tray, so may not be back on here today. Will, though, pick up the pace tomorrow... and we should be back on regular stream by the time India's game comes around, on the 26th.


  • Prem, forget aboutt the team selection for the tri-series.. what are ur opinions about the World XIII selected for the super series?
    I will have a post coming up later in the day on that.. check out, guys..

    By Blogger Raju, at 12:50  

  • I agree Balaji wasn't justifiably dumped...but maybe he's the guy chappel was talking about when it was reported that he had problems with attitude of some ?
    Anyway, Zaheer should be given a chance to fail in tests before dumping him from there....and esp outside the subcontinent, where I feel he is more effective. Even Laxman and Kumble are dropped only from ODIs..although IMO they should not have been selected in the first place

    Sachin, I thought the selectors said, is chosen subject to fitness ? He may have to pass the fitness test overall (anyway he is being closely monitored by the team trainer, thats almost a fitness test every moment). Also, where does he play domestic cricket in this season ? And isn't zim anyway a 'lighter' tour, similar to the rigours of a domestic cricket ?

    By Blogger worma, at 14:04  

  • Prem,
    Perhaps Tendulkar is in because his fans miss him! Well I think the selectors were giving him every chance of getting selected into the World squad.

    Balaji has not done too well in ODIs (too expensive). However, I don't think it is such a big deal. Neither does it matter if Zaheer is not in the team. If someone feels Agarkar's selection confirms he is a genuine matchwinner, then I think they are wrong as well.

    It is interesting to see the ER and SR of Indian bowlers in wins/ losses against non minnow. It seems Indians have to bowl out oppositions in wins (they have very high SRs in wins) and overall have amongst the worst ER of all bowlers. Pathan bowling had the most significant change in win/ loss stats. I shall put up stats later.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 14:21  

  • Hey can anyone confirm if this tri-series is played with super-sub rule. I read it some where, but I tht that they would decide to implement super-sub only next year after ICC meeting.

    By Blogger justfun, at 14:33  

  • worma: i think when GC was referring to Zaheer Khan when it came to discipline problems. Balaji seems like a disciplined character and did all the right things to get back in form after his injury last year. May be he's more suited for the test match arena.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 14:38  

  • I think the selection is in Line with chappel's idea of having a bigger pool of players to work with. Agarkar was unlucky to have been dumped from SL tour. He's a wicket taker and would do well in Zim

    By Blogger Amit, at 14:39  

  • jay, sure I personally want balaji to be kept for test matches. Not only is he more suited, but I feel his attacking persistence and attacking skills would be spoilt if exposed to ODIs, especially on the subcontinent where bowlers have to adapt to stop runs. That GC comment was just one possible interpretation, maybe u are right. But I dont think our selectors decided to 'preserve' Balaji for ODIs, I dont think they would plan thus. Unless maybe they were guided by team management on this.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:48  

  • ..oops preserve Balaji for 'tests'

    By Blogger worma, at 14:49  

  • From In Exp,


    Check this-
    ""Back in saddle after serving the ban, Sourav Ganguly conceded today that with Rahul Dravid around the Indian captaincy was an issue to be debated.

    Asked how he felt when the national selectors took almost three hours before announcing the captain for the Zimbabwe series, Ganguly gave a candid reply. ‘‘I didn’t have a great series against Pakistan. I have someone like Rahul to fight as competitor. So the issue will always be discussed,’’ he said.

    So Officially we had not waste time in debating same.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:52  


    Wind up courts and do what you want, SC tells Centre

    Press Trust of India
    Posted online: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 1200 hours IST
    Updated: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 1530 hours IST

    New Delhi, August 23: The Supreme Court on Tuesday slammed the Centre for being extremely critical of the recent seven-judge bench judgement declaring that there should be no reservation or state quota in private unaided professional colleges.
    "Why are we told time and again by the government that it is not taking a confrontationist attitude. Who is taking a confrontationist attitude," a three-judge bench headed by Chief Justice R.C. Lahoti asked Attorney General Milan Banerjee during a hearing of a petition seeking Schedule Caste status for Dalit Christians.

    The court said what the seven-judge bench ruled was a reiteration of the eleven-judge bench judgement and the five-judge bench judgement thereafter.

    "If this is the attitude of the government to go after a judgement without understanding it, then wind up the courts and do whatever you want," the Chief Justice said.
    When the Attorney General and Additional Solicitor General Gopal Subramaniam said that they respect the courts, the bench said, "should you not tell your clients to give the respect the court's deserve."

    The bench said if this is the attitude of the government towards the court then, "we will go on doing our duty and let them do theirs."

    The court said both the eleven-judge and five-judge bench judgements followed by the seven-judge bench judgement told the government to come out with a legislation. "You are talking about confrontation," the bench asked, indicating the government had failed to understand the seven-judge bench judgement.

    The court, taking exception to the tenor of the statements emerging out of the government on the seven-judge bench judgement, said, "you must advise the government to exercise self-restraint".

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:58  

  • I have to agree with Balaji being dropped for the ODI's, I think the selectors/team management want more all-rounders and better fielders, so they probably figured they can drop those guys who cannot bat (Balaji, Zaheer, Kumble) and those guys who cannot feild (VVS, Kumble...again).

    Ganguly cannot be dropped since he is the captain (even though he cant feild, and on current form... cannot bat). Nehra can't feild or bat either, but he is in excellent bowling form.

    Maybe GC is the driving force in this line of thinking.

    Agarkar's selection is the only one which pulls the whole thing down....unless he has mysteriously become consistent with both bat and ball, I do not see him lasting long. Its time we looked beyond Agarkar, into more of the Robin Singh/JPY kind of players, probably less talented, but more consistent performers.

    By Blogger Vins, at 15:02  

  • Maher.,
    The SC has come up with some really good raps on the govt's knuckles when needed But whats the use?? :-)

    Personally, I feel a lot of the medium pacers (Balaji, ZK, AA) must have been dying to be part of the Zim tour. If you guys remember, ZK did well in most of the ODIs he played in Zim the last time around. Weak opposition, generally more helpful pitches, NZ as the 3rd side... whats the worry? I wonder how long the selectors persist with AA. When SRT was captain, there were rumours that AA, being from the same Ranji team received more opportunities. Maybe, AA has a contract with the BCCI for achievin the highest number of comebacks ever..

    I really wish (and hope) that Bond and company test out VS, SG and YSingh. If they come out it in one piece, well and good. But there are some other guys decent enough to merit a chance otherwise.

    By the way, did anyone read Ian Chappel's views on India, Aus and WC 2007? I think his points are excellent. After reading the article, I laughed out loud when SG said that the team for Zim was not selected witht he WC in mind. Maybe, it was being diplomatic to VVS and AK. But if not now, when would India decide to test out a few people who do well in the first class cricket in INdia? Such lack of foresight and planning is not in India's best interests.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:10  

  • maher, i thought we were testing out the younger lot already, despite the team not being chosen with WC in mind. I think I correct this even when earlier there was a debate on this top....Saurav's statement was that the team was not chosen with WC in mind only (emphasis mine)....essentially his point was...lots of water to flow under the bridge...2007 is far off...meanwhile there's cricket to be played and games to be won. After all....experiments, when done at the international level, have to be a well judged mix of experimentation and 'playing-to-win' attitudes.

    By Blogger worma, at 15:15  

  • oops...that was on toney's comment not maher's

    By Blogger worma, at 15:16  

  • Prem,
    I agree that there is no transparency in the BCCI selection process and it has never been. It is one of those items that they need to include in their long list of todo's.

    But I can understand most of the selections and omissions. Zaheer, apart from his attitude ( which many people including former bowling coach Bruce Reid has famously talked about ), his poor fielding seems to be the reason for him getting the axe. Balaji was underperforming and this omission, probably should spur him to better performance in the ODIs ( but his performance in the Pak test series has been good and so he has been retained for the Tests). Harbhajan has been picked as he is the best spinner available and no one is pushing him for a spot. He is a guy who is clearly underperforming, along with YS, MK, VS etc. Hopefully that will be the thing that Chappell will be working on to get everybody out of their comfort zone and make them understand that it is a privilege to represent one's country. Going by the (non)performance of the team, it will take some doing, even for a man of his calibre.

    But I certainly cannot understand SRT's and Agarkar's selection. Why do we keep going back and forth on Agarkar? It sure as hell is going to confuse Agarkar's ( giving him mixed signals ) already confused mind. Probably, Chappell wants to look at the all the available options.

    Most glaring mistake of all in selection is Ganguly. Certainly SG does not warrant a place in the team, based on his performance. He has not played a good innings, leave alone a match winning innings or a captain's innings against any team of repute, in ODI for a long, long time. Going by this, he does not deserve a place in the team and it is time we groom some youngster in his place for WC 2007. He has not been able to motivate the other members of his team as well, which reflects in the performance of this team and the less said about his fielding the better.

    Surely, transparency in selection is needed. But we cannot expect this from honorary members now, can we ?

    By Blogger sv, at 16:13  

  • Prem, it is good to see you back.

    I totally agree with Prem on Zaheer. If he is not in good form, then he should be dumped off both squads. Why persist him for tests. The only reason I can see him in there was because of SG. GC might have dumped him after his poor show in the Sri Lankan tri-series, but SG just wanted him there for the tests. Somehow, I feel that SG is not very confident about beating Zimbabwe otherwise what would be the reason for persisting with Zaheer and asking SRT to comeback a tad too early.

    Going back to another issue, the selection of AA. Why on earth would you select AA? I just looked up his stats on cricinfo and they look decent. We all know that he is one of the most inconsistent characters in Indian cricket and thats the reason for the raised eye brows. The only reason I think he might be in because GC wanted to give him one last chance. May be he can create something out of AA just like Bob Wolmer re-created Shahid Afridi. It is a big maybe. If he can be a little more consistent, then he can be a real asset. As soon as I wrote the last statement, I realized how many times have we written the same statement for Agarkar in the past? This should be his very last chance.

    By Blogger Mayur, at 16:16  

  • Games won excl Bangla, Zim & Minnows - min of 5 wickets etc from 1/1/04 to 22/8/05
    out of 57 bowlers, ranked by SR. (shows Indian bowlers need to bowl out oppositions to win games)

    Rank' Player Innings SR Wickets Average
    10 IK Pathan (IND) 7 25.87 15 18.53
    13 L Balaji (IND) .. 7 27.15 13 26.62
    20 A Nehra (IND) .. 8 30.14 14 27.79
    22 SR Tendulkar (IND) 7 31.50 8 32.75
    22= V Sehwag (IND) 7 31.50 8 26.00
    38 Z Khan (IND) .... 9 37.46 13 33.38
    47 Harbhajan (IND) 5 40.29 7 25.00

    Games lost excl Bangla, Zim & Minnows - min of 5 wickets etc from 1/1/04 to 22/8/05
    out of 48 bowlers, ranked by ER
    Rank' Players Innings Wickets ER Aver ER Eff ER SR Power Quota
    14 A Nehra (IND) .. 12 23 5.09 24.35 5.09 5.0 1.02 0.92
    43 AB Agarkar (IND) 8 14 5.97 28.14 5.97 5.8 1.03 0.82
    37 Tendulkar (IND) 9 8 5.76 36 5.76 6.4 0.89 0.56
    5 Harbhajan (IND) 11 9 4.37 52.44 4.37 6.8 0.65 0.98
    38 IK Pathan (IND) 18 23 5.77 40.91 5.77 6.9 0.84 0.91
    36 V Sehwag (IND) 14 8 5.74 54.5 5.74 7.9 0.73 0.54
    44 L Balaji (IND) .. 14 12 6.04 57.92 6.04 8.4 0.72 0.82
    35 A Kumble (IND) . 8 6 5.71 65.67 5.71 8.7 0.66 0.86
    26 Z Khan (IND) .. 10 6 5.39 78.67 5.39 9.2 0.59 0.88
    na M Kartik (IND) . 3 1 6.79 129 6.79 13.2 0.51 0.63

    Games won excl Bangla, Zim & Minnows - min of 5 wickets etc from 1/1/04 to 22/8/05
    out of 57 bowlers, ranked by ER
    Rank' Players Innings Wickets ER Aver ER Eff ER SR Power Quota W/ W+L
    19 IK Pathan (IND) 7 15 4.34 18.53 4.34 4.0 1.08 0.91 0.28
    6 Harbhajan (IND) 5 7 3.72 25 3.72 4.3 0.86 0.94 0.31
    37 V Sehwag (IND) 7 8 4.95 26 4.95 5.1 0.98 0.60 0.33
    52 A Nehra (IND) .. 8 14 5.56 27.79 5.56 5.6 1.00 0.87 0.40
    56 L Balaji (IND) .. 7 13 5.97 26.62 5.97 5.6 1.06 0.83 0.33
    47 M Kartik (IND) . 4 7 5.45 31.14 5.45 5.8 0.94 1.00 0.57
    46 Z Khan (IND) .. 9 13 5.43 33.38 5.43 6.0 0.90 0.89 0.47
    57 Tendulkar (IND) 7 8 6.24 32.75 6.24 6.4 0.98 0.60 0.44
    na A Kumble (IND) . 4 3 4.45 59.33 4.45 7.3 0.61 1.00 0.57
    (Agarkar = no wins)

    1. Agarkar has not featured in any wins!! His figures are reasonable (aver 28.14, but his ER and Quota compares to Balaji in games lost.)
    2. Apart for part-timers (Sehwag and Sachin), Quota for BOTH wins and loses follows the same pattern. More Expensive bowlers are used less by the captain.
    3. In games won, the most amazing feature is the SR Power. Even Sachin and Sehwag have wicket-taking ability to match others like Balaji, Nehra and Pathan. Most could bowl out the opposition (Kumble excepted).
    4. In games lost, that only Nehra and Agarkar manage very impressive wicket-taking ability. Pathan is decent. Sachin and Sehwag still match/outperform all others.
    5. Nehra has bowled better in games lost!! Zaheer has the same ERs (5.4), though if he takes wickets it is likely that the team wins in 47%.
    6. Pathan's performances has a big bearing on games (his ER slumps to 5.67 from 4.34) in games lost.

    Conclusion: India depends too much on bowling out teams. Tightening up the bowling will have better outcomes. Nehra has been magnificant. Zaheer has kept his bowling at an even rpo. Both probably help win a few games in this process. OTOH, Pathan and Kumble have been very expensive (by their standards) in games lost. This swing in performance is crucial to India's success. Balaji and Agarkar ought to have a marginal impact. In Agarkar's case, his occasional wickets does not get him any success. Balaji has been outbowled by Sehwag!! It is difficult to imagine Sehwag coming good too often. Ditto with Balaji.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 16:59  

  • SV,
    We cannot expect BCCI honourary members to conduct cricket matters in a trasnparent manner but we can expect them to spend crores of Rupees into meetings, 5* accomodation, gifts for holidays etc

    By Blogger Toney, at 17:13  

  • Ok guys, here's some news from 'The Telegraph' for those who just jumped at Dada for his late arrival.

    Team India get down to business
    - Greg organises workout soon after reaching Harare
    Calcutta: Team India got down to business immediately after landing in Harare on Tuesday. According to information received here, the players reached the Zimbabwean capital via Johannesburg around 5.30 pm IST and, within three hours, coach Greg Chappell had organised a workout for the entire lot.

    The players will be in Harare till Thursday morning, when they go to Bulawayo ahead of their tri-series opener versus New Zealand on Friday.

    It was learnt that captain Sourav Ganguly was not informed about a pre-departure press conference at 6 pm in Mumbai on Monday, so he planned accordingly and landed around 9 pm.

    The press conference had to be later rescheduled for 9 pm. Though it began with Chappell doing most of the talking, Sourav, too, fielded questions once he reached the venue at 9.15 pm.

    BCCI expresses unhappiness

    Agencies add: The chaotic departure of the Indian team, with some players reaching the hotel late Monday night, has upset the BCCI and coach Greg Chappell.

    “The board is not happy with the (casual) attitude of some players. We are seriously thinking how to set this right,” said BCCI secretary S.K. Nair.

    Mohammed Kaif and Harbhajan Singh checked into the hotel at around 8 pm.

    Also making a very late entry was Ajit Agarkar, despite being a Mumbaikar.

    Nair, meanwhile, explained that the BCCI wanted a short preparatory camp for the Zimbabwe-bound squad either in Bangalore or Mumbai, but had to drop the idea because of difficulties.

    “This issue was discussed after the selection (on August 13). In Bangalore the stadium was not available because of the Twenty20 tournament. The Mumbai Cricket Association informed that due to rains no pitches were available for practice,” Nair said.

    By Blogger Jai, at 18:35  

  • Telegraph is mouthpiece of SG and his mentor Jaggu.

    WHatelse will he say...not informed...

    JCCI is so well managed...captain and players don't know schedule.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 19:34  

  • issaicn:

    Curosity question.... What does OTOH mean?

    I know that IMHO means "In my honest opinion" but do not know what OTOH means.... :-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 20:32  

  • OTOH
    On The Other Hand

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 20:40  

  • Welcome Back Prem,
    We were running out of topics and ppl to b**** about while you were away!!!Nice to know ur fine and doing well..

    By Blogger KB, at 20:42  

  • Its possible that SG was not told about the PC, just like the BCCI... But even then, how come he did not arrive like the rest of the team, on time? Wasnt he even told that they were leaving yesterday? I am not sure SG even knows who we are playing against, somebody, please tell him...
    Also interesting, AA, in spite of being a Mumbaikar is late...

    GC must be some task-master.. After such a long flight, he arranges a workout for the players. SG must be rueing his support for GC... Maybe no one told him that and he must have had a good rest in his room...

    By Blogger Toney, at 20:42  

  • geoffrey: Thanks.... :-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 22:11  

  • This is a comment regarding cricket broadcast in USA for the upcoming India-NZ-Zimbabwe series. Directv is the SOLE broadcast rights owner in the USA for this cricket tournament. However, Directv requires 1 year commitment to be able to subscribe for the cricket matches. This is an unfair business practice since this forces everyone who like to watch a particular Cricket series to pay for Directv service for 1 year. I would like to request people who feel the same way to make a email complaint to fcc (fccinfo@fcc.gov) including your name, address and daytime phone number.

    By Blogger Ajit, at 22:14  

  • Good comment Ajit. I will certainly mobilize more people to complain abt this

    By Blogger suraj, at 22:51  


    lot of #s
    When I look at some excellent bowling performances in loosing cause, it means batting and bowling does not click at the same time. We do have some excellent batting performances in loosing cause as well..don't we!

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 22:56  


    Is my perception wrong that over the years, Agarkar has ALWAYS taken wickets at a reasonable Strike Rate? Forget this allround label. If he averages 15 that is good enough for a bowler who can bat. Then, if you exclude mINNOWS, is not one of the key bowlers ? and that is despite being In and Out? Does Pathan and Khan, the supposed strike Bowlers, bat much better? Do they strike the ball better?

    because you have all the #s at your finger tips, I am asking questions in earnest. Thanks...

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 23:04  

  • I think less said , the better from the armchair and I am not excluded.

    Let us wait and see how the bat, the ball and the field unfolds..the captaicy and the coach as well.. from Friday onwards.

    Let us also not utter the words that require swollowing, Prem included. His public swollowing of Culcutta Test is famous. Sorry to bring it up.

    Stay positive, Play positive and WIN positive. Thanks..

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 23:11  

  • Guys:
    My prediction is that India will finally win a tournament finals and Ajit Agarkar will become father of a lovely girl.

    By Blogger Mr. V, at 23:16  

  • After his tail end brilliance, a journalist asked Marriliers
    " How did you find the pitch?"
    " I went in the middle and it was there"


    By Blogger CrickTip, at 23:44  

  • I read somewhere that Zaheer Khan has been dropped from the ODIs because of an attitude problem. Harbhajan also is reported to have issues with his mannerisms.

    By Blogger madhugr, at 01:26  

  • Guys,
    Sorry that couldn't follow up my post due to tight schedule. Well, it seems like not only SG, many others turned up late. Even Agarkar, who can't possibly have any flight related issues. So it's quite obvious that BCCI didn't give any guidelines to the players.

    The other point about the attitude of the players is a valid point. It's mostly with the younger players. I've been reading about this for a while now. In fact, I remember very clearly reading somewhere that Dada was so frustrated with this problem that he mentioned to someone that it was the reason why Gavaskar was appointed as consultant. I suppose some strict measures needs to be taken asap.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:17  

  • Greg Chappell, world's most knowledgeable coach obviously wants some sort of discipline to be inculcated in the Indian team and BCCI some how was found wanting with its trademark poor coordination. Bhajji, Yuvraj, Zaheer -all r a bit indisciplined and Chappell will have to crack the whip on them and others found wanting in this matter. Agarkar-how many times will he keep getting chances and let them go away, one can't keep a count on that.Ganguly, Dravid and Tendulkar r known t be various strict disciplarians.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 02:34  

  • Hi Prem, welcome back! Only explanation for rushing Tendulkar's return could be to give him 'match practice' ahead of the Super Series vs Australia, we know how well ICC/Dalmiya use 'starpower'. Sunil Gavaskar as chairman of the world teams' selection panel only adds fuels to the fire. Just couldnt help pitying Inzamam after seeing the team lists yesterday...

    By Blogger mohd iqbal, at 02:37  

  • No open thread for the all important series opener...eh..Prem ?? ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:38  

  • The coach was not happy. Scathing reports were out. The BCCI had made its statement. Now someone had to make a case for the captain. Who better than the good old guys at Telegraph (aka the Ganguly camp). They always do know the real facts. Don't they?
    The Telegraph - It was learnt that captain Sourav Ganguly was not informed about a pre-departure press conference at 6 pm in Mumbai on Monday, so he planned accordingly and landed around 9 pm.
    So it was just a classic case of simple misinformation. Really? We get it now. It was much ado about nothing. Thanks for keeping us in the wake.

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 05:47  

  • yeah Worma, 97/0 in 13 overs. What else...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:50  

  • yeah saurabh...not much else...i wonder though why zim chose to bowl ? anyone watching ? is it available on sgstream ?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:09  

  • Worma.. Taibu chose to bat because the conditions were a bit damp in the morning (the reason why this is a 44 over per innings match).. Too bad, the decision just ended up dampening the zim bowlers.. Vincent is in scintillating form. Sizes are being hit with criminal ease... The match is available on sportingstreams.com

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 06:19  

  • thanks vishnupavan about the video reference. I know conditions were damp, but it still looks like a batting strip.Its not like Vincent and Fleming are that great batsmen to hit decent bowlers like Blignaut and Streak so easily for sixes. Also read a lot of shots played on the rise.....I think many Indian batsmen shud love that.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:29  

  • only interest in the Zim-NZ game is to see if Vincent becomes the first Batsman to get 200 in ODI's...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:19  

  • ..and no amounts of Super-subs or Powerplays can make this game interesting!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:20  

  • and whether Nz reaches 400

    By Blogger worma, at 07:22  

  • unlikely since its only a 44 over game...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:23  

  • dunno what L Vincent is upto.. Just wondering how our team would fare if somebody took the same approach. S Anwar, Afridi etc were pretty successfu, Arun Lal is suddenly calling this the best ODI innings ever!!!

    Its a pity the overs were reduced, else the double 100 would have been a piece of cake...

    By Blogger Toney, at 07:24  

  • worma, did you check sportingstreams.com ?

    Is it available in europe? I am in America this week and do not want to pay for the games unless I can continue watching the same when I get back to UK...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:25  

  • guys, cricinfo scorecard seems to have gone crazy!!!

    Can someone update with score please..

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:29  

  • saurabh..didnt check yet, would do it later, before our game. Will post the result here.

    And they are on par to reaching 400 I wud think ?

    toney..its really once in a long while that someone plays this kind of innings...even against bad bowling...so its unique. Also..its not always against us that such things have happened (e.g. we did it against Nz, SL, test matches Nz did against Eng, Aus did against SA the fastest double cent). What can opponents do...well wait for the mistake..vincent did one...was caught on third man...but wishart could keep his balance

    By Blogger worma, at 07:31  

  • 334/3 in 39.2 vincent out for 170

    By Blogger worma, at 07:41  

  • LV is out, 345/3 in 40

    By Blogger Toney, at 07:41  

  • How come Dr. Death aka Chaminda Vaas is not in the ICC ODI squad? He should be there instead of Shoaib.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:45  

  • "I read somewhere that Zaheer Khan has been dropped from the ODIs because of an attitude problem. Harbhajan also is reported to have issues with his mannerisms."

    yeh thats what I think. Zaheer is a lazy player, something many people have advocated. He may have the talent, but its useless if you don't work on it. His fitness is a disgrace. Bhaaji is over-rated as well and living in the past memories of 2001.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:48  

  • 25 needed from 11 balls to make it 400 !

    By Blogger worma, at 07:53  

  • Shouldnt the Kiwis declare now? Maybe they should use only the runs scored off boundaries (240 so far).
    There are actually people cheering when a wkt just fell, cant imagine a more inconsequential thing at this time

    By Blogger Toney, at 07:54  

  • toney i think even Zim should 'declare' now ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:56  

  • I read yesterday, that these days Zim is inspiring so many cricket jokes. One of them being that their whole team pads up right in the beginning :-) The other being that ICC gave a statement that Zim test status is not under review (after they lost the first test in 2 days) and probably they are waiting for Zim to loose a test in 1 day :-)

    I think if today's was a test match that ICC criteria would have been fulfilled ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:00  

  • whats the invoice id for sgstream? is there a way where you can know before hand wot the invoice is supposed to be?

    By Blogger jgohil, at 08:00  

  • last ball 4 runs needed !

    By Blogger worma, at 08:01  

  • hah..yeh zim should declare...this is just embarrasing..this was the team that reached the semis of the 99 wc and super six in SA and look now. But then again, Zim will provide a tough challenge for India.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 08:02  

  • jgohil invoice id comes into your mail, once you have paid. Event id is what you can guess or know from before hand. for SL it was Dambulla for first leg. Here I tried Bulawayo but doesnt work. Maybe they're not streaming it ?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:03  

  • worma - thanks. i tried Videocon Triangular Series, videocon, new zealand, zimbabwe, queens sports club and it doesn't work? i cant miss this run chase..its going to be the greatest run chase ever. if i were to put a wager on zim...they would be 130 all out...

    By Blogger jgohil, at 08:08  

  • NZ innings complete. 396/5 in 44 overs.

    The bowling you can't blame too much I suppose.. they really don't have any other bowling resources in their squad. But the fielding was pretty atrocious.

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 08:08  

  • i wonder if zim will even cross 100.. anyone know what is the largest defeat margin in ODI's?

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 08:11  

  • anyone watching on sgstreams ? how does that thing work ? with the basic fee (3$) do i get to watch one match ? And then renew next match ? Saurabh, you've used it ?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:15  

  • oops...i meant sportingstreams

    By Blogger worma, at 08:16  

  • worma..i just registered with sportingstreams as well..did you find a link for the zim-nz game? i think the fee is monthly and unlimited.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 08:26  

  • Does anyone know why Zimbabwe gets to play 48 overs atleast that waht cricinfo shows in its score card.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:29  

  • sriram good point ! Maybe there are separate rules for Zim and Bang ? I wonder if we can qualify for that ;-)

    jgohil...I didnt register yet, was not sure if its per match or monthly. Dont want to watch this superb chase. But if its monthly I would register. Anyone else here knows if there is the link for series games there ?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:34  

  • now they've corrected the overs

    By Blogger worma, at 08:36  

  • yes they did. gee wish we had 100 overs instead of 50 inthe WC final ;)

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:39  

  • Zaheer and balaji would be thanking the selectors for not picking them

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:41  

  • hmm Something interesting here

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:45  

  • Guys,

    Does anyone know how sportingstreams.com work? Anyone using it? I was interested in knowing how much they charge per match and if I have to download any software to see the video...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:47  

  • 9 ovrs without a wkt...ooh..all those players in the dressing room would be getting scratchy !

    By Blogger worma, at 08:54  

  • 30/0 in 10 overs, what a start... Shastri was saying that they should use this for batting practice. As if they could use it for actually chasing down this total...
    SportingStreams has a monthly charge, there are no guarantees that you would get the link but they have the links there all the time :) I am watching the slaughter now, hopefully you guys can join for the India games. The fee is small, you would have to renew every month (if you want to), customer service is pretty good, I havent had a problem and the quality is good for the money

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:57  

  • toney...thanks for that info.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:02  

  • btw..anyone planning to register on sportingstreams..here's a tip...do it tomorrow..because then 30 days period would give you access till 24th Sept...which is 5th day of 2nd Ind-Zim test (yeah yeah...we may reach 5th day :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 09:05  

  • Rishi Gajria introduced me to ss...

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:07  

  • I tried registering with sportingstreams. Havent got their email yet.. how long does it take? and how does this thing work?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:10  

  • worma, you dont seem to even have the cofidence of dear skipper or the selectors (who want SRT to return for this series badly)...

    there's lots of cricket coming up, so dont worry abt the dates yet. If you guys like football and dont get to see enuf (esp in US), then this is the site.

    R we playing on the same pitch tomorrow? Seems a belter, the way Zim are playing. Maybe, the chance for VS to get back into ODI form, provided Bond allows him to.

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:11  

  • tiger, it took me sometime too, but that was when the site was down and I had to wait. Once the site was back up, I got a mail from a gmail a/c with my details in it, with a link to pay thru pay-pal. Since it was a private ID, I opted to pay by clicking the link on the site (just wanted to be sure, its the same link though). You could mail and confirm them about this before actually paying up.

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:14  

  • toney..i have confidence in the skipper and our team..we will win the test matches...but sure it 'may' go to the fifth day. Thats one problem we have to tackle, shutting the game for the opponents. And I am not sure who wants SRT to return for the series. Going by the info I collected through sachin interview, selectors statement etc, I dont see anyone trying to rush him. He said he will play only when fully fit. Selectors said his selection is provisional to his fitness (so probably a rigourous fitness test awaits him on return). What more do we want ?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:15  

  • Arun Lal's commentary aint great, why does he have to laugh out loud with that too?
    Gavaskar is keeping him company

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:16  

  • toney:
    Thanks for the sportingstreams.com info...

    Thanks for the timings for registering... ;-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 09:16  

  • how about sgstream for tommorrow's ashes match? what's the event id? thanks!

    By Blogger jgohil, at 09:19  

  • worma or any one,

    whether sportingstreams is good ?

    By Blogger Shyam Prasad, at 09:25  

  • shyam, scroll up, toney has commented on that

    By Blogger worma, at 09:26  

  • I dont know if anybody has mentioned here. But the match is available on zee/bolly tv. Bollystreams offers 3 channels at $25 per month. Bolly is one of the channels. I am watching it right now and i can vouch for the quality and reliability.

    By Blogger sachin, at 09:36  

  • sachin, can you please post the link here ?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:37  

  • Worma- This is the link for the signup page http://www.bollystreams.com/html/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1355

    I signedup five months ago. At that time the moderator "Adi" helped me out. If you are interested email him(you can find info on the members list). And get the specifics. I have had no problems till now.

    By Blogger sachin, at 09:45  

  • thx sachin

    By Blogger worma, at 09:47  

  • I just paid thru paypal for sportingstreams. But when I try to login, it says login incorrect.. Asked them to email me the password, but havent got it yet.. Also sent them feedback, but no response yet.. seems fishy to me.
    I did get the Paypal confirmation and also confirmation from sportingstreams that the account had been activated.. dunno whats going on..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 09:48  

  • There is a news item that McGrath may not play in 4th Test because of a pain in right elbow. Tennis elbow...?? :-)

    I think his days are numbered now. Of late he has been getting injured often. He has elbow pain now, before that he had ankle injury, before that he had an operation in 2003/04, missed 3 tests in 2002/03... Injuries may be freak but they do take some toll on the body. With his age and injuries, I doubt if he can survive till the end of 2006.

    I wonder who will replace him when he retires? Shaun Tait? If so, then who will replace Gillispie, who is in terrible form? Are there more AUS pacers in the pipe line? Selection problems creeping for AUS in case McGrath is unable to play for a long duration or retires.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:04  

  • ruchir, Ponting just said McG 'should' be fit. I dont think he will miss (he has a history of recovering 'faster' than expected). But if he does miss out, Kasper wud take his place. And in the long term I dont think McG is going anywhere for another 2 years. His ankle injury was the only long term problem, which was corrected through surgery. And his return since that has been too good, which means he is feeling great (he himself said that he is feeling the best he has in some years). His results are also showing that.

    The other injury was a freak thing..dunno how this elbow thing happened ?

    Long term propects...Aus has Tait, Bracken...who else ?

    By Blogger worma, at 10:10  

  • tiger, get in touch with one of the moderators on the site, they work by GMT, so they should be there now. Nothing fishy about the site, I can assure you so far.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:12  

  • worma, I live in the UK so see most of the games on Sky or Sony.

    So i was planning to subscribe to some web cast only for this week to catch the games while i am in US.

    But will not do so unless I am sure i can get access back in UK/Europe.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:17  

  • Jokes on Zim pile on....

    As one of the few onlookers said: "These guys aren't even good enough to get in a poor county second XI." Another commented that the Zimbabwe fielders looked uninterested. Perhaps exhausted after a series of seemingly endless beatings might have been a more accurate description. It would have left Kevin Curran, whose first match this was as Zimbabwe's new coach, in no doubt as to the magnitude of the task in hand.

    There was little sign of unrest, although the police who led one supporter away early on in the New Zealand innings decided on a punishment cruel even by their standards. They escorted him back into the ground.

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:21  

  • Interesting article for those in US- shows u can never take cricket out of an Indian's system:


    Americans don't seem to get it though:

    Cricket would never do for Americans; it is too slow. It takes two and sometimes three days to complete a first-class cricket match; but two hours of baseball is quite sufficient to exhaust both play, players and spectators." -- Alfred G. Spalding, Hall of Famer pitcher and sporting good pioneer

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:25  

  • saurabh, ok. will tell you before the India game (in some comments thread here) whether I was able to access or not.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:26  

  • Thanks Worma. Where you based?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:35  

  • Finland (its somewhere up there...next to Sweden ;-) )

    By Blogger worma, at 10:36  

  • i know. Nice place...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:37  

  • worma:

    True, McGrath recovers "faster" than expected. Maybe because his injuries are pulicised as "very bad" by team mgmt!! ;-)

    Anyway, my point was that he is already 35 years old and with Ankle sprain and an operation before that, the question is how soon will his ankle break down again. Injuries do take their toll, freak or otherwise.

    I searched some article on google for "ligament tear" that he suffered and articles said that usually the ligament tears take a long time to heal. They don't essentailly hamper movement but we must take into account that a ligament is what connect bones together in our body. McGrath has second degree tear.

    Read this link for info:


    Here are some extracts:

    "With a second degree sprain, a tearing sensation, or a pop or snap is felt. There is swelling and tenderness in the ankle. Bruising begins 3 to 4 days after the injury. Walking may be moderately difficult. Recovery time is 4 to 8 weeks."


    "Exercising before a sprain has healed may make it worse and increase the chance of re-injury. Your body needs rest to make repairs. Rest the sprain until it is pain-free."

    Now, Mcgrath's sprain healed very very quickly if we go by this article. Plus he is slated to play in remaining 2 tests too. So, my point was that AUS may be stratching him becasue of the importance of Ashes and this might take a toll on him later, in days to come. And because of his age, his injuries may not heal properly (combined with playing with injury).

    It is just an assumption I made about him retiring/getting injured again and was trying to see what will AUS do if McGrath is unable to play.... :-)

    BTW, here is the link for his elbow injury...


    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:39  

  • yeah, i was just kidding. Yep, nice place..unless u spend a few winters here ;-)

    btw, Zim going pretty well, and its not as if Nz is bowling with part-timers. If only they had batted first, it could've been a diff game.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:39  

  • yeah ruchir, just read that cricinfo piece...looks like elbow thing is also persisting for a while. Hmm...yeah this changes his predictions of good times.

    About that 'faster recovery'..actually I commented earlier here only...I was not at all surprised that he played in the third test. Aus have done this many times (both with Warne and McG). I think its part of teh Waugh mind games.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:42  

  • how come Prem P is not on the blog yet? Usually he starts blogging around 10:30 ET...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:45  

  • worma:

    True. Waugh used to do all these tricks by playing up how bad the injuries were...

    I also remember, sometimes waugh used to ask his team to give wickets in practice matches to any new bowler, whom his selectors were debating for selecting, so that he would get selected to play. Once the real game started,, AUS batsmen would thrash him hard and make him pay...

    Very cunning fellow, Waugh.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:50  

  • Worma,
    what would have happened if Zim batted first? They would have got around 220, the Kiwis would have chased the total down with about 15 overs to spare. You meant shorter game = less agony?
    Bond didnt look that threatening, maybe he's reserved it all for India.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:52  

  • toney -
    I cant get into the forums to chat with the moderators :(
    I already emailed them, but havent got a reply. If you look on the lowers left corner of the website where it says signing up I can see my name under number 4. Wonder what the deal is - its frustrating.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:53  

  • ruchir - I remember wadekar saying that India did that too on their '71 tour of England!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:54  

  • tiger:

    India did that too!! Wow, I am surprised; I did not know that... Good for us...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:56  

  • ruchir joshi,
    were you joking abt that part of Waugh asking his teammates to throw away their wkts to fringe players? I am not so sure; For one, it would mean not giving value to your wicket (even for such a cause). Two, I dont think Waugh would ever compromise with the team momentum and that can easily be compromised with such tasks. Finally, it is just his characters, devious mind-games or not.
    Of course, he has gone to the very lows of mind games. He got the whole of the Indian media to bash SG during the 2001 series (I remember how he and Gilchrist, when asked abt Indian women, said that the only Indian woman they knew was Nagma. Yet the same Gilchrist cried foul when rumours of his wife having an affair with Slater surfaced. The rumour seemd to have no substance in it but shows what a hypocrite he is). I think true Aussie colours are seen when they lose to India.

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:00  

  • good insight into the Aussies by justin Langer...


    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:15  

  • Shaun Tait also hit Langer in the nets. Which fast bowler in India hasnt done it by now? I think he enjoys the blows now.
    I wasnt exactly impressed with the way he highlighted the problem of poverty in India. Dont get me wrong, he may have been genuinely affected by it and he may have done more to better the condition of the unfortunate than any of us. But coupling India and poverty all the time leads the ignorant West to believe that poverty is the only thing we offer the world. I am tired of people in the US, who ask (faking genuine concern) about how "backward" the Indian subcontinent is.

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:26  

  • Oops, which fast bowler in England... is what I meant

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:26  

  • toney:

    I am not really joking. When AUS came to India in 2001, they played 3 side matches. In those macthes, we played 2 bowlers (among many): Rahul Sanghvi and Sairaj Bahutule.

    Sanghvi took 4 wkts in the match he played and Bahutile took 5 wkts in his match.

    Sanghvi played the 1st Test match and went to 78 runs for his 2 wkts in 12 overs. Bahutule played the 3rd test and went for 102 runs for his 2 wkts 20 some overs.

    This is just and indication of what I was talking about. This is not the only time Waugh may have tried to "help" our selectors in selecting player and India may not have been the only country where he would have done it.

    I was making a general point that Waugh used this tactic to influence selection.

    And as for maintaining the momentum, in this particular tour of 2001, the 3 side matches were drawn and then AUS lost the test series. So the momentum should have been with India for the ODIs. Right? But AUS won them 4/1. So I don't think momentum has anything to do with they way Waugh worked. According to me, it was only about mental disintegration and confusing the other side as much as possible.

    And just like any other team, Waugh also used the side matches to not only try out various combinations for his team but also used them to apply his "selection tactics". I may be wrong here, but I strongly feel that this is what Waugh used to do.

    I completely agree with you about the Gilchrist hipocrisy....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:31  

  • ruchir, I dont know if its true, but I can believe it coming from Waugh :-) That guy took 'planning' in cricket to whole new level. He had his bad side true, and also his stupid side (hayden = bradman, Lee = once in generation bowler etc etc) but his cricketing intelligence and attitude cannot be ignored.

    And toney I was not joking when I said Zim shud have batted first...they cud have got more runs (not having the pressure of chasing) and Nz would have batted differently than the carefree style we saw from them. Ofcourse with this unpredictable Zim side, they could have been all-out for 60 runs also :-)

    And yeah, Bond may not have gone full steam here (anyone watching ? What was his speed etc ?) or maybe this is a batting strip (which is kind of sad, I was looking forward to some Indian cricket on non-subcontinent kind of conditions...I hope test match pitches are diff)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:39  

  • Ruchir,
    Didnt the Aussies win the ODI series in 2001 3-2 and not 4-1? If I remember, SRT got off to a magnificient start in ODI-1 b4 being run out by VVS, VS got a quick 50 and Hayden was out in the 90s. Thats one victory.

    Then, SRT got to his 10,000 runs in one match, got to 100 wkts in the next match. India had won one of them, right? Or is this the wrong series?

    The Aussies winning the ODI series after losing the tests proves nothing. They came to India to conquer the final frontier and that is, in tests. While Waugh, at the presentation ceremony said that he wouldnt exchange the ODI victory because the players who contributed to it were as important as the test players, we all know what he was really thinking. He would have given his life for the test series.

    And honestly, I am not so sure Rahul Sanghvi was used well in the first test. From memory (I watched the match after my trip from Kerala to Hyderabad, 26 hrs, so not the greatest occasion to watch a match we lost by 10 wkts), he was hardly given time to settle down. The Aussies, to their credit, went after him but I think a better field and more assuarances would have meant he would have settled down.

    And Sairaj Bahutule in the last test might have been a failure. And I am not a big fan of him either. But he genuinely trouble the Aussies in the Mumbai match, which they nearly lost. In fact, I had predicted to my friend that Indian spinners would make a laughing stock out of the Aussi batsmen. I still maintain to this day that our best chance was in the first test, on a very responsive pitch.

    Back to the topic-- I am not trying to say that Waugh never did all that (or that I dont believe you). But the examples you pointed out from the 2001 series dont seem such convincing ones.

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:58  

  • I ams ure you guys must have had a look at this link. I found these interesting, especially when introducing someone to the difficult skills in cricket.

    Langer's pull-shot tutorial might interest SG. SG never gets in line when playing that and actually has a patented "ducking with his head into the deliver" when he plays it. I thought he used to play it much better during his early intl days.
    The only thing I cannot understand is Geraint Jones teaching the "basics" of wicket keeping. He clearly lacks them and so does Dhoni.
    Here's the link...

    I remember reading a couple of articles in the Saturday Sports Special on the science of why a cricket ball swings. Those were great articles.

    By Blogger Toney, at 12:05  

  • toney:

    My fault. AUS won 2001 ODI series 3/2.

    I would have to dig deeper in Cricinfo for more such incident to convince you... :-))

    Okay... Here is another example to, maybe, ..... convince you??

    AUS in SA... Feb-Apr 2002...

    1st tour match:
    Hall takes 5 wkts for 97 runs

    2nd tour match:
    Pretorius takes 5 wkts for 148 runs

    1st Test:
    Pretorius goes for 130 runs for 1 wkt.
    Hall goes for 53 runs for 0 wkt.

    3rd Test:
    Hall goes for 55 runs for 1 wkt.

    To me, it lools like AUS gifted 5 wkts each to these bowlers in tour matches and they got selected. Then, these bowlers were unable to make much contribution in Tests. Point is that by luring SA selectors into selecting these bowlers, Waugh nutrelised at least one bowler of SA bowling attack.

    Did it help in getting convinced? :-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 12:36  

  • Two things that annoy me -

    1. Agarkar has time and again stated that he is not an all-rounder. We've seen stats recently to prove he's been in better bowling form than all the other seamers post Australia 03-04. I think he's been bowling a lot more consistently since the win at Adelaide, but his past reputation keeps cropping up against him. Why is it so surprising that he has been picked, especially after all the seamers bar Nehra looked pedestrian in SL?

    2. Tendulkar's return - I agree with Prem. The worst thing that could happen is that SRT could worsen the injury. I would prefer he takes his time to return and is fully fit for whatever test series follows Zim. He can use the Super Series (which wouldn't have been so 'super' if the world's best batsman had been missing) for practice, if the domestic games aren't sufficient.

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