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Sunday, August 07, 2005

The selection conundrum

Everyone on here has been following Yuvraj's batting; everyone knows how he shaped in recent times, most of you probably remember that his last innings of real substance was his 78 against Pakistan at the Eden Gardens, in November of 2004.
Knowing that, would you have picked him today? Yes? On what basis? Or is the answer no? This brings up the real question -- where and when do you draw the line, between backing talent, and picking on the basis of performance alone?
Curious to know what you guys think.


  • Hi Prem!
    Thats has been the problem(?) with indian cricket. Everyone out there knew that yuvraj has been getting selected purely on the basis of his good past deeds, but today he performed...and mind you performed very well..shaped his inings classically....Now what? He gonna get selected for 30 odd more games...that has been the real problem.....there has not been any consistency...just one match show..and u r there for 20-30 ODIs for sure...

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 08:50  

  • yes, exactly the point that came in my mind. I was surprised to look Yuvraj's name on the scorecard. To be honest, I wouldn't have picked him today. But thats cricket - "game of uncertainties" as the cliche goes. But also the game that rides on something called "luck", "courage" "application" and other similar (sometimes intangible) things. It could defy logic at times. Wonder...if thats what makes it so interesting!

    By Blogger Anand K, at 08:53  

  • I would have picked Yuvaraj because of his experience. For a match where it was win or go home, I would go for experience as RD did by choosing Laxman and YS. Also with the choices available YS also is the only one who can bowl decently.
    I am sure you would have tried this but can't you create a another id and log comments

    By Blogger Crickup, at 08:54  

  • The problem between Yuv and a guy like Kaif is the change in 'intent' and approach to the game we see when they are struggling. Kaif still tries to do the same things...unsuccessfully....and is thus consistent in his mind...Yuv seems to be so frustratingly 'stupid' when out of nick. Thats what GC needs to solve. But anyway, as I said earlier, it seems that this Indian team thinks he is a matchwinner...and not yet time to chuck him. He missed the last match due to sickness. Also, when they faced a tough match (as this one) they brough back their best team, which means playing him. The challenge is that they have invested so much in this guy, that the lure to see him back in full flow (which is much better than what we may get from a new guy...even if we keep working on him till WC07) is so much.

    But, as I said earlier in comments, I hope that this knock does not make us (and GC etc) forget what he 'becomes' when he's out of nick, and try to address that. All in all, even I am tempted to persist with him, because of the overall package that he brings to our ODI side.

    I have, in fact, all the same thoughts for Sehwag also. I have a bad feeling that there is something wrong with the kind of game he is trying to (or instructed to?) play. Hope we see some improvement there as well. But atleast with him the 'intent' is always consistent.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:09  

  • Virtual semi-final, do-or-die game, given the bench strength, I would have definitely picked an experienced bastman. It was between Yuvraj and JPY for the 6th batters slot. JPY would feel really hard done for being able to get a game in this series (should have figured in atleast one the earlier games). On a broader sense, real talent (We always knew Yuvraj is a special talent - he was special when he first made headlines with his big hitting in that under-19 world cup and is still special even when he struggles to find the gaps during the initial phase of his innings) needs to be pursued with despite failures, as long as it doesn't hurt the interests of the team. In Yuvraj's case, India has pursued with him even when it kept hurting the team's cause. Again if the team is doing well and winning more often than not, no one would compain if they carry one or two out-of-form players with them. Eye brows raise only when the team is doing badly. Had any of the fringe players performed decently well in the earlier games, Yuvraj would have struggled to make it back into the XI. He owes it to the likes of Raina for not grabbing their oppurtunities.

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 09:41  

  • Agree with you guys overall but the issue is with some many guys looking out of nick wudnt have been fair to drop him so early in the season given his talent , i mean ganguly, sehwag, VVS and others havent performed either so one can have the same argument against all of them also . Fact is he is one of the few can win you a game singlehandedly and if you gonna play him in WC 07 he needs to play

    By Blogger Karthik, at 10:02  

  • We have just had one of the all time great test matches .. and not a peep about that in this thread..

    makes me wonder !

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:30  

  • The consensus appears to be SG will not make it to WC'07, the same with VVS and probably Kumble. We need to blood the newcomers in a low-profile series like this because of this reality.

    Clearly we are missing SRT. Even at half strength, need SRT for WC'07 for a real shot at winning it.

    By Blogger c111, at 10:38  

  • Hi
    Without a shred of a doubt the talent of Yuvrj Singh needs to be given full backing, nurtured and enhanced simply because he is a match-winner. And he has done it again today. You said that his last substantial innings was his 78 against Pak @Eden. But since then he has played just 6 more matches against Pak in most of which the entire Indian batting (bar Dravid and Sehwag) failed so miserably it is absolutely incredibly horrendous to single out Yuvraj. Remember Tendulkar had 5 single digit scores in that series. Yuvraj used to come either in the slog or when the team was at 50/4. True he played a couple of very poor shots but today again he has rescued the team from 50/4.

    By Blogger GK, at 10:41  

  • Absolutely agree with MORIENTEZ but then mate prem asked a specific question and the responses are to that.

    As for Yuvraj and his super human abilities I'm sorry I gave up on him long back, One good inning every year and thats all to keep him in the team, as for Kaif atleast he seems to have an earnestness about him apppears to be trying in good faith, where as Yuvraj is such a CHUI MUI (touch me not type)after great fielding stop there is always a fumble, his first instinct is always to rub or look at the tiny scrap or nick he may have got in the process.

    Sorry mate's me dont think Yuvraj is LAMBI RACE KA GODA

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 10:43  

  • Whats the news on Ganguly? Will he be fit for the next match?

    By Blogger N, at 12:26  

  • Prem,
    No Ashes thread? I didnt see the game but followed almost every single ball on the net.

    Yuvraj wouldn't have been on my team. He is a great player and he brings more than just his batting. But the team just cannot be dependant on him. How many of us can say that the chances of him doing well against SL in the finals is high? The only time (that I recollect) when he delivered in consecutive matches was against Zim when he almost single-handedly won the last 2 matches of the series.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:54  

  • Yes, I would still select Yuvaraj Singh in my team. The reason is his attitude. I remember his knock against South Africa and Australia in the ICC Championship. His knock against England ta lord's in the Natwest Final along with kaif was superb. His 139 against Australia with Laxman at Sydney was emphatic (though we lost that match).

    I would have selected Yuvaraj instead of Laxman. Laxman like wickets where the ball is coming on to the Bat ata nice height or if we are playing the Aussies. Against the other teams and on such slow wickets, he is not very efective. Yuvaraj is a very useful fielder and also a slow left arm spinner. Look what Sehwag did today.

    We must ask Yuvaraj and Sehwag to take some regular bowling responsibilties. SRT, Sehwag and Yuvaraj can definitely bowl 10 decent overs between them.

    By Blogger Ani, at 15:19  

  • Yuvjaj seems to be the person who would slip into a "comfort zone" very quickly and then come up with good performances when in the danger of being dropped.

    Remember the comebacks he did when he was dropped the first time and now recently when his place in the side was in danger.

    I would still pick him and let him know that he is not indespensible nad his "I am a Viv Richards clone" attitude is not for his good in the cricket field.

    By Blogger Kannan, at 15:58  

  • I wouldn't have selected Yuvraj in the team simply because he hasn't been performing. And now he comes up with a great knock...so the talent is obviously there. Some would say he is among the most talented batsman around but he needs to sort out his mind and attitude. One good knock surrounded by a run of low scores doesn't guarantee you a place in the team..Kaif as Prem said is the most self-less player. Even with his limited repoitore of shots he always gives his best for the team. If Yuvraj gets his mind right he could be one of the best batsman in the world.

    By Blogger ClannZĂș, at 16:43  

  • So much for dropping Yuvi from the team. I am predicting the following:
    1) Yuvi is not going to score anything significant in 10 matches from now and live on this 100. Then, when calls for his head start becoming loud, he will score another ton and keep getting selected.
    2) Ganguly is due for a big score in the final (but then he has been due for a big score ever since we last Bangla, Kenya, Namibia or some such minnow). my heart says he will get a big score, my head tells me he is finished as a player.
    3) India as usual is going to lose the final. So cheers and enjoy the final.

    By Blogger AA, at 17:25  

  • http://myhistoryisinteresting.blogspot.com/2005/08/batting-order-for-india.html

    This would have been my batting order for India for the final if SRT was available. Since he is not, I think JPY has to play!!!

    By Blogger madhugr, at 00:31  

  • why do people keep talking about "yuv and kaif" having played many match-winning partnerships for india? other than the one Natwest final, where else have these two teamed up to win/save a game for india??

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 03:09  

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