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Thursday, September 08, 2005

Bhogle on Saurav

The first, I would think, of many more to come, all riffing on the same theme: Saurav, and sunset.
The other day, I was having a few beers with friends who dropped by; one thing led to another which led to an extended discussion on SG and his future. The conversation (and some email exchanges elsewhere) made me realize two things: 1. That opinion is so firmly polarised one way or the other, that any further discussion is pretty much irrelevant and 2. Irrespective of what is said or left unsaid, the die in this particular case is already cast. Reviews have been announced, but my gut feel for the situation is that decisions have already been made.
Figured, therefore, that on this particular topic, I am content to wait and watch -- there is no point preaching to the converted; there is far less point suggesting to the other group that maybe, just maybe, the concept of 'Superman' is seen in comics because that is where it belongs.


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    By Blogger Quit Smoking, at 13:45  

  • As Harsha says in the article - "But you pick a player not to be capable against decent bowling but to counter the quality stuff."

    so, I don't think SG's performance in the 2 tests against ZIM should matter (which Harsha seems to suggests). If SG gets a century its highly possible that everything else will be forgotten which would be really bad. I mean a "batsman" in the team has to score runs against all the attacks on all kinds of pitches. The question should be can SG the "batsman" do that?

    By Blogger Anand K, at 13:50  

  • We are beyond this discussion now- it's no longer time to discuss but to take action.

    Whether Pro or anti- Ganguly for the sake of the team and based his performances, SG has to go.

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:53  

  • Did anyone watch yesterday's Agassi-Blake match? Talk abt some fantastic tennis! Thoroughly outplayed for 2 sets and a bit, Agassi's comeback and transformation was a delight to watch. He used every bit of experience and craftiness gathered over the yrs to get back into the game. But Blake was tremendous too but fell short by a whisker. Agassi rightly summed it up I thought when he said that tennis was the eventual winner.

    By Blogger rp, at 13:56  

  • Zimbabwe Board XI 265 for 7 (Ebrahim 163* Dabengwa 40*, Kumble 3-42) v Indians

    We make another one a hero- and the Indians did field a full strngth team except for Harbhajan who was sick.

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:58  

  • Yeah rp that was a great match- i missed it but it has definitely made tennis a winner in US where people often ignore sports other than football, basketball & baseball

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:59  

  • Forget Indian cricket and SG, Ashes is hot. So is tennis...and NFL starts tonight! Exciting sporting events...time to enjoy and forget Indian cricket for a while.

    By Blogger rp, at 14:02  

  • Agreed New England is more rxciting than India

    Aus-Eng are the way to go rather than Ind-Pak

    and US open discussion is more exciting than SG- AA discussions

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:05  

  • Prem Reviews have been announced, but my gut feel for the situation is that decisions have already been made. --- ohh can you please share with us that gut feel ? Atleast I, for one, promise not to start a thread on that, if thats what you don't want to get into.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:06  

  • Suraj, are you a Pats fan? I like them but I prefer Colts and GB over them. I hope to see the Bengals do well too.

    By Blogger rp, at 14:11  

  • Need to get to work -- I will of course do the Ashes rounds much later in my evening, once the newspapers have been updated -- but in passing, about Worma's query?

    My gut feel is the selectors will change the captain at the end of the Zimbabwe tour, irrespective of what happens in the Test series.

    No, I haven't spoken to any of the five wise men and gotten the inside dope -- this feel is based more on a processing of much that has happened in recent times, all of which seems to dovetail to that conclusion.

    1. Earlier, Ganguly had asked for, and got, extended tenure. Increasingly, the selectors have refused to appoint a captain for more than one tour at a time, harking back to the days of the Tendulkar era.

    2. Even before the Zimbabwe tour got underway, there was already a sizeable section of the committee that felt SG could not lead any more, not when his own form is under such scrutiny. The word I got at the time was that three selectors wanted him axed; that it took a well-timed call from 'the powers that be' to persuade one of them to swing to the other side, thus resulting in a 3-2 verdict in favor of SG to lead to Zimbabwe. My understanding is, the selectors who wanted him out insisted that the situation would be reviewed at the end of the ODI series (I don't know how far this is true, but I was told that two selectors actually made the point that India could well annihilate Zimbabwe in the Test series, but that would prove nothing).

    Put two and two together, consider the resulting 4 in context of a series in which India managed just one solitary win against quality opposition; compound that with the fact that SG's own form was nowhere near par, and the reason for my gut feel should be obvious.

    Chalo guys, later. IA editorial deadlines call. :-)

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:14  

  • On the US Open, I was thinking abt who can beat Roger Federer? I love the way this guy plays...he's not playing well at the moment...yet he wins pretty comfortably...maybe Blake had the fire-power to beat him...but now I don't see anyone who can match Federer.

    By Blogger rp, at 14:15  

  • Prem,
    I think, more than what Harsha says, you hit the nail on the head. No point discussing this one way or the other, simply because neither group of people(unfortunately, it has come to that stage, right?)would not be able to think straight. However, I hope, the selectors come to decisions with a clear mind with an aim for a long term solution.

    BTW, I disagree on the superman theory. The Agassi Blake match is testimony to that. It can be interpreted in two ways: 1. Blake lost his way after dominating for two and a half sets, finally to hand over the match to Agassi.
    Or it can also be seen as a match where Agassi overcame all odds to break at 3-4 down in the 3rd set and then go on to win a memorable match. I tend to go with the second line of thought and hail his resilience and fighting prowess, even at the dusk of his career. If he was not superman there, then what was he?

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:18  

  • Thanks Prem, for sharing you gut feel. Yeah I figured out that much myself that SG is gone as captain (also from comments from commentary team, which is also partially the review committee !!), but gets a bit longer rope as a player(and also feel that he knows both these facts). Anyways, Sept 25 is the day then (although then, it means that this while review committee is more of a staged drama hosted with the pre-decided conclusion to be arrived at through the so called 'independent' opinion. Not that I mind the actual participants, who are probably amongst the better brains to be called upon). Ok, close on this from me :)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:25  

  • Interesting....then who do you think would be the Captain? Dravid..I guess that is obvious...and Vice-Captain? Sehwag?Kaif? Yuvraj?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 14:37  

  • and would it be the same captain for test matches and ODI's or would they be different?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 14:37  

  • rp,

    I am actually a Tampa bay fan- I know their offense is not as explosive but I lived there a few years

    Right now everyone is chasing Fedrer but he seems to be in his own league. I know that every American is dreaming that somehow Agassi beats Fedrer in the finals- that will be the ultimate Cindrella story

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:44  

  • After the Zimbo Test series, there are 2 ODI series - a total of 12 ODIs.. so effectively it will be a ODI-only captain. And on current form, Dravid and Gangu both are on shaky ground. But in case of Dravid, you can count on him getting back in form sooner or later, but Gangu is having the mother of all form slumps and looks unlikely to come out of it. I'd say this is the end of Ganguly as both batsman and captain. Dravid will return as captain with Sehwag as his deputy- UNLESS SRT can be convinced to take over!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:45  

  • I am a huge fan of Sourav but Unfortunately It is time for him to GO. Thank you for the good times Dada, Now show us that you are man enough to admit that you are not good enough to play/lead this team. It is time to hand over this team to its next and real leader Rahul Dravid.

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 14:47  

  • bhupathi/hantuchova win US open mixed doubles title!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:56  

  • Prem, Many thanks for sharing what you know and your gut feel on the fate of SG. Its these kind of tit bits that make your blog a great place to visit. Keep em coming!!

    By Blogger Harsha, at 16:39  

  • Harsha:

    "Tit bits" ???!!!

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 18:22  


    By Blogger dapolice, at 23:45  

  • Prem,

    Apologies for my earlier posts. Peace :)


    By Blogger dapolice, at 23:54  

  • Prem,
    As far as I know and that too mostly through L.P.Sahi (and we all agree that he has got all the inside news), only the south zone selector V.B.Chandrasekhar opposed Sourav's appointment as the captain. Thus I am not sure from which source you got your info. from.

    By Blogger Jai, at 00:57  

  • hi prem

    in one of harsha bhogle's recent interview (i think it was "just pooja") he said one should be intelligent enough to know that there's one coming to change him and he should know before anyone else that its time for change...something like that...

    i totally agree and was moved with his point of view and i think it fits ganguly to the T...

    he shud b intelligent enough to know that past laurels are decreasing by the time and if he cant do anything to arrest the slump (which potentially speaking doesn't seems to b) he is taking a great risk of being remembered not as great leader which build a team which took world beaters but as a guy who had to be thrown out of the mainstream for his persistence non-acknowledgment of the problem...

    and if it happens it wud b sad that v will remember a great player a great leader, like a guy who refused to accept the reality...

    ur comments please

    thanx / pankaj sharma

    By Blogger Pankaj Sharma, at 04:03  

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