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Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Do you want a liar as national coach?

Ahead of the roundup, one little conundrum for you guys to think about: Every report I have read on the issue is silent on some things, but vocal on one particular point.
It is silent on the accusations Harbhajan Singh made about the coach causing schism in the ranks; it is silent on the imbroglio with VVS Laxman as its centerpiece, that was one of the main points in Greg Chappell's mail.
Put differently: There is division in the Indian dressing room. If Bajji is right, Chappell is the cause. If Chappell is right, Ganguly is the cause. And you will agree that a person -- captain, coach, whoever -- who deliberately sets out to cause divisions cannot be tolerated in the, what was that phrase?, oh yes, 'best interests of Indian cricket'. (Bloody hell, careers have come to an end on such grounds, most famously Nayan Mongia, who when he was dropped, was among the best wicket-keepers in the world -- yet, though no one accused him openly of causing schism, it was this that spelt finis to his career).
So, given that, it is interesting that the six wise men, who undoubtedly have the best interests of Indian cricket at heart, are totally, completely silent on the question.
But one thing they are -- speaking through frontman Ranbir Singh Mahindra -- very vocal on:
The committee rejected Chappell's view that Ganguly appeared to be faking injury to avoid facing fast bowling. The criticism was contained in the e-mail's excerpts published in the media.
"Some of the points, particularly with regards to injury, the captain Sourav faking injury etc after hearing the concerned people, the committee came to the conclusion that whatever has been said is far from the truth," he said.

Say what? Chappell's famous email was an essay in explaining why Saurav Ganguly was not fit to lead the team. Ganguly was, Chappell said, physically and mentally unfit to lead.
The 'mental' part relates to the accusations of causing division, a la Laxman and others -- which, of course, has been treated with silence. The physical part relates to his blowing away training sessions, and feigning injuries.
Bear in mind that Chappell makes the further point that when he got that impression, he checked with several players, and they all told him that Ganguly clutching an elbow and going oo-aah-ouch was nothing knew.
Nothing of the kind happened, Mahindra says. Phrased differently, does that not mean that Greg Chappell lied?
Lied, with one single motive -- to paint the national cricket captain in as bad a light as he could? Worse, does it not mean also that he tried to make the team a party to this heinous lie?
Will the BCCI explain how it is in the 'best interests of Indian cricket' to have, as coach of the national side, a man who has -- by the BCCI's own admission -- lied so blatantly; in the process libelled (it *is* libellous, that statement, is it not?) a national cricket icon with over 15,000 international runs, not to mention a sterling string of triumphs, under his belt?
Why, Mahindra-saab, having branded Chappell a liar -- surely, after this, you don't expect the fans and the media to give much credence to anything Chappell may say in future -- have you not sacked this liar outright?
Will you explain? Oh shut up what's wrong with you? When does the BCCI 'explain'?


  • Prem,

    I have never seen you this angry (i can only perceive your anger...won't assume i'm right) ever...as we hyderabadis say from time to time, i want to say "light le le mama!"

    then again, since yours is one of the few voices that the BCCI might pay any heed to (since they don't care about the billion faceless fans), i like that you are venting. only wish it proves to be of some use in changing the course of indian cricket.

    By Blogger dna, at 10:06  

  • Prem - perhaps that was BCCI saying that GC was wrong on the injuries because he didn;t have sufficient evidence (it was hearsay) and that he was spot on regarding the rest (which is why there was no comment on that). So the BCCI is saying, in effect, "We know the captain sucks and is being divisive, but we can't sack him, so we'll give him another series. We know the coach is mostly right, but there will be too much egg on a lot of faces if we admit it openly"

    By Blogger aniruddh, at 10:07  

  • GC was not reprimanded or fired because the majority (i.e., all other than JD) of the review committee agreed with him. But JD wants SG as the captain anyway so we "compromise". It seems simple to me.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 10:09  

  • Prem,

    Can you influnce Rediff to start refering to this team as 'BCCI's Team' and not 'indian cricket' team ?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:10  

  • saurabh - I'll second that. Not just rediff but every one.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 10:11  

  • How can the board expect the coach and captain to carry on and develop a "professional relationship" when the board itself epitomizes and oozes unprofessionalism?? Is this is a family business here or what! Considering that Chappell has totally been ignored here, it's obvious that "both captian and coach are happy with the arrangement" is a big fat lie. The stage is set for more action.

    By Blogger xychu, at 10:11  

  • i have two worst case scenarios:
    1. ganguly stays on as captain even after dismal performances against SL and SA.
    2. even worse, chappell quits tomorrow and we bring in gaekwad or kapil as coach.

    take your pick and enjoy!

    By Blogger dna, at 10:13  

  • gopalblog, if the media leads the way, others can follow.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:14  

  • do both... then at least it will be fun to watch them lose

    By Blogger aniruddh, at 10:15  

  • I wonder how they stiched up a compromise...you would think if either of them were right they would make sure the whole world knew about it and wouldn't compromise....( makes me wonder what sort of personality is GC and SG )
    I sincerly hope all issues have been discussed and the guilty party identified ... I dont mind BCCI's relectunce to share their finding with the public.

    By Blogger deep cover, at 10:16  

  • Prem:

    I had a few questions and I was wondering if you could answer them since I could not find answers myself.

    Mahendra said:
    "We have demarcated the difference in roles between the captain and coach. The captain has to control the game. The coach has to do his own job. When mutual trust is there, then both can discuss each and every thing pertaining to the game. We cannot presume that there is no trust.

    "Captain controls the game". So, what is the extent of the control? Does he controls the game on the field or does he also control the team?? "Coach has to do his own job"!!! What exactly is this job? Mahendra did not specify it!!

    The captain and the coach will discuss the game "when" mutual trust is there. Does it mean that mutual trust is not there NOW? If he is assuming that trust is there then why put "when" in the statement? If trust is not there then what kind of compromise is it??

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:16  

  • The BCCI is probably expecting these gentlemen (GC and SG) to be superhumans who could bury their hatchets immediately upon its instructions.

    I feel its SG's victory all the way. Thick-skinned that he his, anything that allows him to cling to his place in the team is his victory.

    But, I don't see any road ahead for GC. He must quit and thereby preserve his dignity. He doesn't have any reason to stake his reputation. Transformation of this shameless Indian cricket team is definitely not a cause worthy enough for it.

    By Blogger Cupid, at 10:17  

  • Hope SG sues GC. I think GC should resign - how will he face the team after creating such stories?

    LIBEL suit should follow and he should be shown the door. Obviously, he could not prove a thing. SHAMELESS LIAR.

    I think he has claimed temporary insanity.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:17  

  • I think this temporary truce is only a politically correct solution for BCCI.
    Eventually we will perform badly against Srilanka and SA. If not for SG's bad performance but because the teams morale is so low. I just hope we lose miserably and that results in the team being majorly revamed aka PAK after WC style. It will take some time for the new team to be perform well but at least we dont have to tolerate such a bunch of wimps

    By Blogger Sameer W, at 10:19  

  • mock, here is something for you 'Fuck off'.

    And you can have my address and all in case you want to send me a libel suite for slandering you in a public forum.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:20  

  • SG and JD should emigrate to Zimbabwe..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 10:21  

  • How about having a web petition and signing by us...forwading it to some newspapers and BCCI. it should include fans from Indiantoo...what say guys

    By Blogger tombaan, at 10:21  

  • and take Mock turtle with them..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 10:21  

  • Very good post Prem. Even when ananda bazar leaked that report, they kept mum on the Laxman issue...ie when Saurav lied to lax that Chappell wanted him out of the Test team. This is one issue which the media I feel hasnt highlighted too much amongst the many startling revelations in Chappell's email.

    Mahendra dismissing all these suggestions and telling all parties to keep quiet was actually quite expected. But its not difficult at all to see the figure instrumental in making these moves- Jaggu Dalmiya.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 10:21  

  • So, the five wise men in the committee decided that they have no balls to disagree with JD. But, how did they dicide that SG will still remain the captain. Wasn't he appointed the captain just for the ZIM series ?

    Shouldn't the selection committe be given a chance to say that they also have no balls ?

    GOD help Indian cricket. Couldn't wait for SP to come to power.

    By Blogger RM, at 10:21  

  • wawa saurabh bhai well done...meri mooh khi bath chin lii

    By Blogger tombaan, at 10:22  

  • saurabh, what is libel suite? is that where this meeting was conducted? ;-)

    but hope GC gets sued for the defaming SG.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:22  

  • I think GC should quit. Imagaine if anyone of us were accused of being liars in our workplace. Whther the allegation be true or not, I would find it difficult to face the rest of the guys. If GC wants his dignity, he should just leave and let the very professional BCCI appoint Amarnath as coach.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:23  

  • SG does not have balls to do that because he knows GC is right...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:24  

  • What does people in this blog think about both SG and GC after this episode. IMO that both of them have hidden agenda and hence have accepted a compromise.

    By Blogger deep cover, at 10:24  

  • Like I always though sunil gavaskar has become dalmiya maan what a fall for the icon i held in so high.
    I think this sunils story is similar to other one i.e. is dutt sunil who didnot fight an election for getting his son out against the sena as for gavaskar draw your own conclusions
    sab kuch beta ki khatir

    By Blogger tombaan, at 10:24  

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    By Blogger RM, at 10:24  

  • I agree with you toney. GC should just walk away from that mess...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:25  

  • http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1035164.htm

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 10:25  

  • Hey Saurabh, leave mock turtle alone. Some peole just dont understand... I am sure he'll sleep well tonight, reassured that Indian cricket is in the safe hands of goons and dacoits.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:25  

  • Prem,
    This is my first comment(s) at your blog. Pointers:
    1. BCCI was right in this politics, else it would have been victory of one vs. other.
    2. Ganguly has/had to go, but not as reaction of the mail, I have a strong feeling BCCI had asked GC to explain his position on the issue and thus was the email.
    3. Bajji ,VVS issue : (both these cases Ganguly had apprised player of a Coach-Captain decision which was not in interest of player.(Totally unprofessional).
    4. There has to be a sacking in BCCI for the person who leaked eMail, and thus made this international debate. Otherwise Ganguly would have been given a Chance for Graceful exit.
    5. Bajji has to go as well(purely performance based), there are some stats of him on www.chappellway.com in a discussion forum.
    6. We need to get ruthless in team selection, Performers play, Non performers use domestic to improve. Don’t use international platform to get back in the form.
    7. GC , take the happening in your stride and move on ! But you have to take the fight to finish, else it would be like you were just trying to defend yourself. This has a logical gate (Yes /No) .Is Ganguly capable to play as a batsman ? Answer is NO. so with all simplicity he has to go. Captain is always from playing eleven.

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 10:26  

  • sorry to say but this blog is GC's mouthpiece to me

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 10:26  

  • saurabh, tombaan, et al:
    sounds like mock turtle didn't get the sarcasm in prem's post about calling chappell a liar.
    be nice to him...bachcha hai:)

    By Blogger dna, at 10:26  

  • I hope all this is just an eyewash and come selection time, they do drop ganguly. Lets just hope...

    By Blogger Vins, at 10:26  

  • what a brilliant support for GC:D

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 10:27  

  • I suspect GC has a very high character especially after going through this world talk transcript..

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 10:29  

  • Mock Turtle, Saurabh Wahi:

    There is some miscomunication between you two. You must both get along with each other.

    Gandhi (or Ranbir?)

    By Blogger TFFY, at 10:29  

  • Hey Toney, Saurabh ... yeah I agree GC should quit from this circus .....

    But I'm sure GC wuld have thought abt it too ..... and since he has not yet quit ..... I think ... rather hope ...that he has a master stroke up his sleeve .....

    and that he will fry SG's arse when time is right .

    By Blogger srik, at 10:30  

  • Prem,

    Why did India lose the war to China in '62? Why do parts of Arunachal, Ladakh and Kashmir fall demaracted in Chinese and Pakistani territories today? Why hasn't any action been taken against Salman Khan? Why did only Azhar get a life ban whereas Jadeja got away with five years only? There is only one word to describe this -- compromise.

    We do not have any moral right to criticize a guy like Pres Bush -- when he says "either you're with us or against us". You might disgree with him or his rationale, but one thing is for sure -- what you see is what you gonna get -- no ambiguous bs of any sort.

    This meeting ought to have ended with one verdict only -- either Ganguly resigns and vows to "earn" his way into the team (rather than depending upon sugar daddies like Chandidas Ganguly and/or Jaggu Dalmiya) or with Chappell sending in his papers for perceived "unprofessional" conduct.

    After all this hullaballoo, we have landed up where we began few days back -- nowhere. When will we develop the *balls* to fae a situation rather than shy away from them like she-men?

    What's the use of supplying the world with its best engineers, academics, doctors and financial gurus, if you don't have the guts and gumption to tackle an issue head-on? This sucks big time. Makes me want to hate my own countrymen. When will we change (*sigh*)?


    By Blogger Sriraj, at 10:31  

  • One good thing about the whole controversy....

    Atleast BCCI, Prime Minister, President did not congratulate the
    team on winning the series again zimbabwe....

    By Blogger The Suds, at 10:31  

  • mock only comes here to rouse people- don't really think eve he believes in what he spits out

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:32  

  • Petition against Gangu Teli


    By Blogger Kansultant, at 10:33  

  • toney:
    I think this is what will happen (I my be wrong in being too optimistic):

    Committee has given SG one or max two series to play. If in this time SG shows some improvement in his play (bat & field), he stays but if not he will go.

    Upcoming series are ODIs with SL and SA plus Super series in AUS. SG is already is horrible horrible ODI form. There is no reason to believe that his batting and fielding will improve. So BCCI is taking the easy route to remove him. They are banking on him to fail....

    GC knows he will fail and therefore he is keeping quite and accepting this decision. Now, if an earth-shattering calamity happens and SG scores runs then scene will become interesting.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:33  

  • srik
    Looking forward to that masterstroke. But I think GC has met his match, remember, he has to contend with two of the most shrewd people in Indian cricket, SG and JD. I think rather than a master stroke, chances are, he'll have a heart stroke.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:33  

  • you guys are so much fun ;-) keep going.

    the man slanders another person and has no proof. and all you guys defend him blindly. there is a big difference between assessing a person's form and technique and calling him a "rumor mongerer". from the language used by the "WeR4GC" gang here, i am not surprised that no one sees the difference. he has pretty much called the indian captain a liar and a cheat. and all of you including your gang leader Prem believe GC without ever thinking even for a bit that maybe he is blinded by hatred? wait a min, so are all of you.

    i do not say anything when SG is said to be in poor form and does not merit to be in the team etc. i even said that RD should be made the captain.

    but that does NOT mean that GC can do a character assassination witout proper proof. and this meeting was about THAT. ideally, one of the two should have been proven a liar and sent out.

    if GC really feels that he has been done for and there is no integrity, he should resign. maybe he likes the money involved?

    abuse me to your heart's content. it really has no effect on me - instead gives a kick that i managed to get under your skin ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:34  

  • See- told everyone- the only reason he makes any comments is to enjoy getting under people's skin.

    Ignorace is the best solution- not criticizing him

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:37  

  • ruchir - I'd like to believe you but "one more series and he is gone" is what I heard before the ZIM series. The performance there was just not bad enough to drop him so we go agina with "one more series and he is gone". There is no end to this, not when SG has such passionate (though small) support that will point to any speck of hopw and say "aha - see even he scored a 100 in ZIM and we won the series" so you can't drop him even though knows that in context that wasn't enough.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 10:38  

  • Report by Anand Vasu

    By Blogger Ananth, at 10:39  

  • mock turtle, glad you are having fun. Hope the rest of us continue to entertain you

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:39  

  • Expressindia.com published a Poll which says about 80% participants think Ganguly should go.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:39  

  • mock
    GC cited how he came to the conclusion and if GC had lied about it then he should go too, but we dont know that do we and regarding WeR4GC i admit the first couple of paragraphs are rough but do u see anyone over here discussing it giving it any importance

    By Blogger JD, at 10:40  

  • I am wondering, did the BCCI guys sweep the room clean before holding the meeting. It would have been nice if a small camera was able to record the events. In any case, I am sure there'll be plenty of leaks soon.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:41  

  • no, i try to show you guys another point of view but all you can do is abuse.

    and honestly, whether SG is dropped or not is irrelevant but GC, unless he mends his ways, is a BAD influence for the team. no coach can get results by intimidation and throwing his stature and MBE around.

    what is incredible is how much faith all the journalists and most of you guys have in GC - i can't wait till he takes on SRT. i can see the same gang here singing a different tune.

    but GC, now that he is tamed, wouldn't dare it.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:41  

  • mock:

    why on earth should GC hate SG?
    and are you so naive to believe that the BCCI (esp. Dalmiya and Mahendra) are so honest that they wouldn't want to sweep the whole thing under the carpet?

    i, for one, don't *hate* ganguly...just want the best for indian cricket, whatever that may be.

    By Blogger dna, at 10:41  

  • and the rest 20% are mock turtles :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:41  

  • Did anyone on this site commit suicide yet? Who all are quitting watching indian cricket? please say yay. :))

    By Blogger Vick, at 10:41  

  • mock:

    There is no proof available that GC's alndering of SG is true or not because VVS and other players, that GC talked about, were not called in the meeting!!! Bhajji was not called in the meeting!!!!

    Had players been called then we would have known who was slandering and who was politiking. Since it did not happen you can not accuse GC of telling lies, can you ????

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:42  

  • http://www.chappellway.com/presentations/The%20Chappell%20Way%20Indian%20Press%20bowling.pps#286,20,Slide 20

    this guys knows what he is talking. I would be surprised even a kapil can put forward such ideas...chappell might fail in india but i think he knows the game well enough to coach a team like say new zealand or sri lanka but he will fail in india

    By Blogger tombaan, at 10:43  

  • nah mate toney ... i think GC will bide his time here .... JD might loose power soon ..... if that happens .... SG (with already vanishing cricketing talents) will be stripped bare .... i hope GC subjects him to 12th man duties .... and when SG carries drinks on the field ... we can abuse him to our hearts content :-)

    Anyway ... wishfull thinking .... !!!

    By Blogger srik, at 10:43  

  • vick,

    yay to the second question

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:44  

  • chappell might fail in india but i think he knows the game well enough to coach a team like say new zealand or sri lanka but he will fail in india

    >>So true man so true. Someone was talking about GC's record as coach in his last job. He changed the foture of South Auastralia so much they finished 4th or less out of 6 team in 5 years he was implementing his ideas there.

    By Blogger Vick, at 10:45  

  • but same holds good for SG - why do you assume he is guilty? maybe GC was given the easy way out but citing "miscommunication". if VVS and others were really annoyed with SG, they cd have easily sent a note to BCCI privately. or for a scoop of such magnitude, break the gag-order and talk to press!

    you think if enough players came out that spoke agasint SG openly, gag-order would have had any effect?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:46  

  • @all,
    anyone came to know the inside story ?
    do the sources have anything to say ?
    surely this could not have been all ...

    By Blogger GK, at 10:47  

  • srik,

    how about the SL captain keeps SG waiting hrs for the toss, SG scores a duck every time he plays and gets jeered and India still wins because of RD's tons and GC comes out bare chested waving his shirt

    My wish list!

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:48  

  • anyway ... i think SG has been abused on so many indian grounds that by now he definitly wuld have bcom impervious to that

    By Blogger srik, at 10:48  

  • gopal:

    If it was in my hands, I would drop SG right now, solely on form.

    In ZIM, SG did not do anything worthwhile. His scores in ODIs were: 5, 20, 19, 2, 31. 77 @ 15.4. That's why I think he has given 2 more ODI series to fail and leave.... ;-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:49  

  • tombaan,
    The presentation you sent will be used by people to say he is all theory and nothing else.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:49  

  • LOL!!!! Suraj .....

    By Blogger srik, at 10:50  

  • for people who are not blindly hating SG, it is pretty clear that GC is not popular among the players. it was quite evident from the TV - GC and Frazer were always aloof and never part of the dressing room gang.

    GC got away lightly, i think. if they had called the players in, GC would have stood no chance.

    anyway, you guys vent your anger out.

    this is not about SG vs. GC but all about GC and his ability to lead but then you guys automatically assume that anyone who dislikes GC is doing it coz they are "pro-SG".

    toodles for now. have fun, all.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:50  

  • gk,
    it takes time to write long emails. not everyone is a fast typer like PP. Give the folks few hours. According to the latest in media the mail is almost half done.

    By Blogger Vick, at 10:50  

  • ruchir,

    I also wish your opinion was true but unfortunately I think SG's connections are too strong and he will keep getting chances forever- not only as a batsman but also as a captain

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:50  

  • srik,
    you talking abt SG carrying drinks? He refused to do that on his first tour as a 17 yr old, dont have such fantasies.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:51  

  • mock:

    What tells you that VVS and others did not want to speak and were not forcibly gagged by BCCI just to save SG embarresment of being found out a liar and politician??

    I have found SG guilty of being out-of-form and playing politics (his moves have been documented in media.) Which one of these would you refute?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:51  

  • friends desis gountrymen

    you have no power to effect change in the boardroom of the bcci.. , so why go though this angst... accept it.. just turn off the tv and watch all cricket other than the one run by the bcci.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 10:51  

  • suraj:

    That's what many of us are unhappy about.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:53  

  • I quit.

    Ex-Cricket Fan.

    By Blogger Aman, at 10:53  

  • Latest news:

    SG and GC ordered to sleep in the same bed for 3 days to develop mutual trust

    Latest latest news:

    SG said he couldn't do it because his elbow hurts

    Absolute latest news:

    GC accuses SG of faking; asks SG to go for a MRI or else sleep in the same bed

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:54  

  • ruchir - I understand what you would do and to ME it make sense. But the law of averages say that in 12 ODIs vs SL and RSA, SG has maybe one decent innings. That'll all that will be needed, I think, for his supporters to point to and say "See, See, he can play a good innings after all" and then what "one more series and he is gone"? That's a record player that has the needle stuck and plays over and over ...

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 10:54  

  • Mock,
    Do you think VVS and the rest dare to revolt against SG? I think they'll never wear the Indian jersey again, if they do that

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:54  

  • ROFLMAO suraj..

    but then GC starts humming this song... and then SG realizes oohmigosh ive heard this somewhere.. and tada flashback..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 10:55  

  • PREM - Has the review explicitly said that SG stays as CAPTAIN. Mid-Day reports that RSM said that the issue of captaincy will be decided by the selection committee (and quite rightly too). It may well be that SG will NOT be made the captain for the Lanka series. And will play purely as a batsman and if his performance is not upto par then he will be dumped forever... We couldnt possibly have expected anything more from this review.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:55  

  • MEDIA? SURE - now, that's one reliable source, ain't it? ;-)
    (of course, except with LP Sahi wrties)

    no gag-order can be effective if VVS had proof about SG lying!!!

    anywa, what about personal integrity? if the players are such wimps that they are willing to sell their souls for playing in the team, maybe they deserve it.

    you think if RD/kumble and VVS had come out and spoken against SG, BCCI could have dropped them? anyway, they had two days to talk BEFORE gag-order was imposed.

    anyway, you guys WANT to believe the worst about SG and so there is really no pointing arguing logically ;-)


    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 10:55  

  • suraj, ROFL

    Do you know what happened in the end? As a compromise, JD agreed to lie down in b/w them.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:56  

  • if i could harness all this wasted venting energy on the blog..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 10:56  

  • maybe the players deserve it, but do we fans?

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 10:57  

  • ROFL - _ _ says "arguing logically"

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 10:57  

  • It is well past mid-night here in Australia - thought I would check what is brewing.
    Cannot help claiming, "I told you so."
    This is what I had posted in this blog on Sunday afternoon. Apologies for the length of what follows.

    Fact: The World Cup finalists are currently ranked #7. This is a precipitous fall.
    Opinion: The people who need to provide answers/be held accountable for this state of affairs: (i) John Wright (ii) Saurav, (iii) selectors, and (iv) “non-performers” in the team. JW is not with us. So that takes care of one issue. But to be fair to him, he had conceded that fresh inputs were needed to take the team to the next level. We cannot do much about selectors unless and until the BCCI does away with the zonal system and appoints full-time paid professionals. This leaves Saurav and other non-performers. To make matters worse, Saurav has also been a non-performer since quite some time now. Clearly, some hard decisions need to be made by our Board. Will they? I think, despite their best efforts, they will have to given the situation.

    Fact: Greg Chappell was appointed to take the team to the next level after “due process.”
    Opinion: Greg was very lucky. The selection committee took a huge gamble because Greg has no track record. As I often tell my management students, “past performance under similar circumstances is the best predictor of future performance.” But there is a caveat: people can learn from their failures too. GC has had an unremarkable coaching stint with South Australia. Did he learn anything from it? Only time will tell.

    Fact: GC clearly implied that Saurav should step down as captain when he said to him that he did not deserve a place in the starting XI.
    Opinion: GC’s insistence that he did not ask the captain to step down is untenable. But I don’t think GC over stepped his brief at any stage. A coach is expected to share his honest opinion with his captain. He cannot be faulted for having done so. Perhaps, GC could have been more diplomatic. More importantly, his timing could have been better. Heavens would not have fallen had he waited for the Zimbabwe series to get over. We must also take into account that under the current system, the coach does not have a huge role to play when it comes to team selection. His job is to make do with what he has been given. His predecessor had reconciled to this. GC wants a greater say. He will need to renegotiate this aspect with the Board. Otherwise he is likely to get in troubled waters again. Having said all this, we must not make the mistake of faulting the message because we do not like the messenger. GC’s message deserves a very thorough investigation. Although Saurav does not want the team to get involved, it would be foolish not to grill everyone and get to the bottom of Greg’s impressions/findings.

    Fact: In GC’s notion of “excellence”, physical fitness has pride of place.
    Opinion: GC is spot on. Indians don’t lack in flair, technique, etc. They can improve beyond recognition if they start fielding better, running better, and if their pacers do not run out of steam early in the piece. Moreover, physically tired players lose their ability to think clearly. To insist that Saurav has achieved a lot despite never being supremely fit is to miss the point. Think of what a fitter Saurav could have achieved. The coach seems to have identified those who are not prepared to buy into his vision of excellence. This is completely his prerogative. If reports are to be believed, the “culprits” are: Saurav, Zaheer, Nehra, Harbhajan, and (may be) Balaji. Surely, GC is not playing favourites. He is calling it as he sees it. His is most certainly an objective assessment that is backed by inputs from his expert staff. The above named are not willing to do the hard yards. Period. Why are they not willing to buy into GC’s vision? Is the vision flawed? No. Is GC’s style unpalatable? There could be some truth in this conjecture, but I think the main problem is that Saurav believes he can get away with murder because he enjoys Dalmiya’s support. Others have been unwilling to buy in because they have thus far enjoyed their “immune” captain’s backing. Yuvraj and Sehwag too seem to be unhappy with GC. I don’t think that Yuvraj resents GC’s fitness regime. It appears to be a case of inflated ego. GC could do a better job of handling Yuvi. No doubt Yuvi is inconsistent, but there is no denying his talent. He needs to tighten up outside his off-stump, and admit that the slower stuff tends to trouble him. If Yuvi feels insecure, it is primarily due to the kind of cricket he has been playing. He is not an untouchable. Sehwag is. His is an interesting case. GC badly needs a happy Sehwag. Very shrewdly, GC has started making the right noises. I guess GC will have to make allowances for VS as long as VS keeps performing and does not disturb team unity. Although Veeru is in his 20s, he seems to belong to the Darren Lehman generation when it comes to attitude towards fitness. Veeru once famously told Sunil Gavaskar that he is a naya zamane ka khilari. He now needs to be reminded that in this naya zamana, fielders have nowhere to hide.

    Fact: A six-member committee will review the Zimbabwe episode and its fall-out.
    Opinion: The board will be forced to choose between GC and SG. The odds are not in favour of GC. It will be Jaggu, SK Nair, and Gavaskar versus Venkat and Shastri. The lame duck Mahendra may prove to be a joker in the pack. He just may choose to make a statement by walking out of JD’s shadow once and for all. At best, it will be 50-50 for GC. All GC backers should concede that GC will go nowhere if the “senior nucleus” does not buy into his vision. I am hoping like hell that they at least take Rahul’s and SRT’s opinion. I can bet my bottom dollar that the two will be willing to buy into the “Chappell Way.” We should also acknowledge that GC did not do what he did from a position of strength. He has been a bit impatient. He did not read the politics very well. I suppose he felt that 2007 will soon be upon us and that he needed to read the riot act. He is perhaps convinced that desperate times call for desperate measures. All the same, he could have kept the larger picture in mind and allowed Saurav & Co to self-destruct against the Sri Lankans. His job would then have become easier.

    PREDICTION (okay part “HOPE” part “PREDICTION”): The BBCI will delineate the lines of responsibility between the Captain and Coach more sharply. A “temporarily chastened” GC will survive by the skin of his teeth (thanks to support from RD and SRT). Saurav will not be sacked. GC will be “unofficially” told that Saurav will voluntarily step down as captain after the Sri Lanka series. Since GC hates to lose, he will swallow his pride, and resign himself to losing the battle to win the war. It is only after Saurav’s exit as captain that the “Chappell Way” will gather steam. Those who have not been buying into the Chappell vision will suddenly start buying into it. Saurav will lose his place unless he magically regains his long-lost form. At some stage, Chappell will demand a greater say in team selection. Whether this is desirable or not is moot. I am in favour of this move because we will then be able to hold GC almost totally accountable. We did take a gamble by appointing him. We should have seen it coming. Now we must live with our choice. The year 2007 will tell whether we screwed up or not. Let us, until then, support GC wholeheartedly.

    Tailpiece: Even if GC does not survive, he has already done immense service to Indian cricket by taking the bull by its horns and forcing the BCCI to act. More importantly, this incident will loosen Dalmiya’s stranglehold on Indian cricket. If it does not, then even God cannot help us.

    By Blogger Samir, at 10:57  

  • Mock..Toodles to you too...later sounds good..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 10:58  

  • what proof, mock? Do yoiu think players go around with recording devices? Everyone is not a Prabhakar.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:58  

  • logic from mock's mouth sounds like good batting by the present form SG

    the two don't really go together

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:58  

  • Yeah toney,

    but instead of lying in the middle JD rolls over to SG's side- old habits die hard!!!

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:00  

  • Ruchir,
    You may be right about both possibilities.

    What I would like to add is if Ganguly has to go he has to go with grace and farewell in recognition of his services regardless of who has what % of blame in the current mess.

    Current decision is based on this premise. Also, letting Ganguly go now will be perceived victory for Dungarpur and company.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 11:00  

  • gopal:

    SG's scores in his last 15 ODIs:

    22, 55, 22, 0, 9, 4, 18, 51, 2, 26, 5, 20, 19, 2, 31.

    Total = 286 @ 20.42

    Last 12 ODIs = 197 @ 15.6

    These ODIs include on 2 ODIs wil SL and none with SA!!!

    Just for the sake of debating, if he has similar scores in coming 12 ODIs, would it be worthwhile keeping him in the team??? :-))

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:01  

  • as long as fans let the bcci do what it wants to, even God cannot help us.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:01  

  • toney,

    if they are SUCH wimps, *SHRUG*, no sympathies for them.

    on the contrary, i think RD is an honest bloke and even he has come out and supported SG. give him some credit. SG may have his faults but the kind of vile accusations GC has thrown in his email is quite something! can't you see the difference between being a "poor fielder" and a "rumor-mongerer"??

    I think (this is my theory based on GC's attitude so far) is this :

    GC had issues with some bowlers in SL - likely zaheer and nehra. and SG came to their defense and did not agree with GC. GC lost it and started viewing SG in poor light and things got worse. SG can be as protective as a mother hen when it comes to his wards.

    all right. enough now. good luck with your petition and SG abuse ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 11:01  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/220331.html

    anand vasu's article on cricinfo .... RSM comes out as a clown .....

    No wonder he is the president of the BCCI (Board of Control for Circus in India)

    By Blogger srik, at 11:02  

  • Mock,

    Will you finally go or just keep teasing us with false promises

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:02  

  • Prem, Guys,
    Overall, this whole drama has now seriously got all the players attention and may may actually result good performaces.To my mind this whole business has been about 3 issues:

    1) Trust within the team (which includes players, coach, captain, physio, trainer) or lack thereof.

    2) Responsibilities of each team member.

    3) Ganguly's future as an international player.

    As Prem points not much has been said by RSM about the trust between players themselves and equally improtantly between players and coach. GC has lost valuable ground in this aspect and is going to have to work a lot of harder to regian the trust of the players. Whatever GC has said, SG is trusted by his players. SG's team members know that all SG wants to do is win... just like them... and will most for the *most* part do right by them. I am sure they also realise he's goign to screw up at times by perhaps going in to a self-preservation or insecurity-ridden mentality. They also know he is also far from the best player in the team. But bottom line he brings out the best in them and has to take a lot of crap from all and sundry involved in Indian cricket which in turn allows them do their own thing. The team members also in general like his overall team philosophy of giving people enough chances to come good. There is NO WAY SG would have lasted this long if his players did not trust him implicitly. SG wins hands down on the trust-of-player factor against GC. I also think the players will know that SG will put up a good fight for them and if need be overrule GC.

    2). It seems the Board has done a good job of putting both GC and SG in their places. Basically saying, look guys, your positions are just cogs, albeit important, in the machine that is Indian Cricket. Everybody’s role has to be defined and then performed well. Just based on SG’s sound bites in interviews during the recent series .. one of the contentious and under reported issue to my mind is Venugopal Rao’s batting position during the recent ODI’s. SG’s philosophy is that put the lad in to the deep end rather than let him sit in the Pavilion watching Shane bond and get more and more nervous. I don’t think GC agrees with this philosophy. SG probably did not back down for he has done this to many players (Irfan in Aus 2003-04 is one very good success story borne out of that philosophy) and its worked for him over the last 5 years. To my mind, SG is right in being responsible for all issues on the field including batting order. But if SG’s philosophy does not deliver results in terms of ODI victories then it is either time if not already past time for a change. Board/Selectors should then hand over captaincy of ODI team to RD.

    3) The third point is Ganguly’s future as a player. GC has the edge here. This whole episode probably has resulted in the implanting of a high-powered electrical cord directly to SG’s testicle…. and GC has the control switch. From now on if GC tells SG you got to do 10,000 Jumping Jacks every day.. SG will probably do 20,000. SG will also end up paying closer attention to GC’s strategic advice and focus better on his batting. Nothing will get a person’s attention when his very survival is at stake.

    IMHO, I would like to see SG to lose his ODI captaincy to RD so the selectors have options and cull out potential liabilities as we approach WC’07. SG depending on his ODI performance can find a place and would, IMO, fit in perfectly as a supersub which would negate his poor fielding skills. SG should continue as captain of the test team for one because there is no real case against him. Selectors might say well let’s continue him as player-captain in team and his performances against SL and Pakistan will dictate his future. That way he can have an honorable exit which, I believe (just as Steve Waugh said in his column) he deserves.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 11:03  



    By Blogger suraj, at 11:03  

  • If performance is the criteria going to be applied now onwards, what was it before? Connection with top board officials?

    Indian Cricket is not going anywhere. It's too early to say but I'm surprised with Chappell agreeing to have Ganguly in the team when the whole nation shares is view that Ganguly should be thrashed out.

    May be the arrangement is to allow Ganguly to have a graceful (??) exit after the next few series (in which he will fail again).

    There is no doubt that Ganguly's days are numbered and he won't last year 2006. And he will be under tremendous pressure to perform in every single game not only with his batting but has to stand on the ground without faking any injuries (he'll now think twice before leaving the field even if there is a real but minor injury). This will also prove to be an example for idiots like Khan, Nehara and Agarkar who cannot bowl even 10 overs at a stretch without getting injured.

    Chappell has already done his job, however credit goes to Dalmiya for leaking the email. We would not have had this outcome otherwise.

    Dravid and Tendulkar must stand up and firmly support Chappell now onwards if they care even one bit for Cricket lovers.

    By Blogger Rahul, at 11:04  

  • cricktip:

    Completely agree with you, I have been saying it that post of captain must be respected, no matter who occupies it.

    BTW, Dungarpur is against SG. He thinks SG is in the team because of Dalmiya. :-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:04  

  • This complete farce of a review process has just made one thing very clear to all and sundry. Ganguly's position is non-negotiable and that Chappell should mend his ways and not be so aggresive in future.

    Where does that leave chappell ? can he given this background work to the best of his abilities anymore without worrying about the consequences ?

    What a farce. Ganguly has to go, period. There is other solution. But only if Jaggu Dalmiya would see that, or is it that he sees it but won't act on it, ganguly being from calcutta and all. And well nobody but Jaggu matters as far as the decision making in indian cricket is concerned. That of course is the buggest farce of all.

    By Blogger Anurag, at 11:05  

  • Hang bcci officials, fire SG Musharraf.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:05  

  • suraj,

    the fun here is hard to resist esp. when you keep egging me to go, i am more tempted to stay and post more, u know.


    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 11:06  

  • mock, welcome back, I missed you and your posts full of insight

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:07  

  • and... I won't be waking up in the wee hours to follow SG Musharraf lead us into yet another dismal performance. I have had enough.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:08  

  • saum,
    Rather, I would send SG to Pakistan for a couple of weeks. I am sure we would all see Musharaff running around trying to douse the fire up his ass.

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:08  

  • glad to help mock

    It's not a democracy till you have a voice of dissidence

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:09  

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    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 11:09  

  • Toney,

    they tried sending SG to Pak but he was late for the flight

    he thought he was going for the toss

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:10  

  • ruchir - if facts and logic dictated things in the BCCI we would all be better off. But as a "wise" former player we Indians are an emotional people and we will emotionally watch the team lose.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 11:12  

  • mock:

    Maybe all players are wimps. Maybe they are getting what they deserve for being wimps. They are getting SG back!!!!

    I don't think Bhajji is a wimp, he spoke up; don't matter what he spoke.

    How has RD supported SG?? At best, he told GC that this was not the right time to suggest SG to step down. Does it mean he is siding with SG??? To me it looks he is applying his common sense.

    Zaheer took 3 wkts in 4 ODIS in SL. Would you not ask him what happened, man??? You are our strike bowler!!!

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:12  

  • gopal:

    True words....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 11:13  

  • i will protest against this farce the only plausible way i can as a fan - boycott india matches... my protest probably won't affect bcci revenue, but hey as they say "boond boond baanta hai sagar"

    By Blogger saum, at 11:14  

  • we can choose not to watch ...

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:16  

  • lol@toney. i don't really care if SG is sent to Pakistan or a Russian Gulag deep in Siberia, but he has to go. he is a rotten apple and is spreading the rot like a fire on dry forest timber

    By Blogger saum, at 11:16  

  • hey saum, atleast you can be clear in your conscience that you didn't contribute to indian cricket's downfall.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:17  

  • i think you guys are wrong to pick on sg so much, a lot (majority i'd say) of the blame has to go to the bcci which creates the environment where sg thinks he can do stuff like this.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:18  

  • narad..the BCCI are a bunch of nincompoops beyond redeem...but SG was a great leader/batsman at a point in time..unfortunate that he has become as bad as the BCCI folks..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 11:20  

  • I have not read what exactly happened in the meeting. But it's quite obvious that Ganguly was able to come up with answers to Gc's allegations. Earlier it was reported that he has collected all the data from the team computer analyst, Glouster was present in the meeting (even Nehra was seen on the premise). Good. That's what I like about Dada.

    GC made the mistake of pointing fingers at SG for the wrong reasons, he could have targetted SG's performance rather and it would have been easier for GC. Those who think that GC hasn't lost face in this entire ordeal are kidding themselves. Never heard a coach trying to verify from other players whether SG fakes injury when there's a team physio and Leipus can be contacted any time. I was a big supporter of GC when he got the job, but I must say this was totally unexpected. And let me repeat again, it's not ONLY between SG and GC. When you have others in the team who are unhappy, then the coach must be doing something wrong and I believe it has nothing to with just his 'fitness regime'.

    Those who believe in that theory just don't want to learn the truth. Anyway, so far no player has complained against SG, but Bhajji did complain against GC (even after the retraction, it still stands) and he also mentioned that other players should be called to express their views. That clearly indicates what more players in the team think about GC. Plus we have HT article where they spoke to a few players. All the charges against SG are from GC's email only. No player even anonymously have complained against SG.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 11:20  

  • There is no point in wasting time in discussing such an issue which doesn't fetch anyone anything.


    By Blogger avirnenirao, at 11:20  

  • one more thing - i wish, from the very bottom of my heart, that sachin tendulkar doesn't take this lying down and refuses to play under the current set up... don bradman protested against aussie selectors incompetence and got them in line... don't think sachin's protest is going to affect the thick skinned bcci, but a genius of his calibre should play with respect and dignity not under SG Musharraf... if RD and a few others with the interests of indian cricket at heart follow suit, it would be great!

    By Blogger saum, at 11:21  

  • I still remember the Chennai test in 2001 when we needed 160+ run to win the series against AUS and Ganguly came to bat with 50+ more to win. My 8 year old nephew said, "ha darpok aahe. Tiknaar nahi" (he is so scared, he won't last). And he was right.

    We had to wait for 4 more years for some official to make the same statement and still it results in nothing. How amazing !!

    By Blogger Rahul, at 11:21  

  • again the pro- and anti- factions crop up.. guys don't you see thats exactly what the bcci wants you to do.. focus that energy on reforming the bcci..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:22  

  • agree narad - bcci is the root cause of all evils. that's why i say: hand them all publicly and fire SG Musharraf to save the future of indian cricket.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:22  

  • y ask srt to do it, when the fans dont have the b***s to take a stand. or is it that us desis have gotten tot he point where we wish someone else would do it for us

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:23  

  • oops - hang them all (bcci officials) publicly

    By Blogger saum, at 11:23  

  • every man to himself narad, but i hope srt's conscience also steps in to protest.... i have already given up on this indian team until changes come about... but every fan has to choose for himself

    By Blogger saum, at 11:25  

  • oh, btw, i also hope that Mr. Rahul Mehra's legal proceedings against BCCI produce some positive results.

    does anyone know if there is an authority that can bansih the BCCI and form a new board? i know it can't be the ICC, not with them looking the other way in Zimbabwe and the WI...

    By Blogger saum, at 11:27  

  • Prem, That Greg Chappel is a liar, that acording to Mahendra, is a conclusion of yours. I don't think this conclusion is inevitable, considering the info we have.

    That Saurav Ganguly faked injuries to avoid the fast bowling, is more of Raj Singh type stuff, he was an opener for long. He was the captain of a team. So fast bowling could be (was) his weakness. Greg Chappel may be wrong if he concluded so, but his conclusion is wrong doesn't imply he lied. Again Saourav Ganguly could be wrong in his assessment of injury. How would this itself conclude that one lied ? There is so much subjective stuff here.

    By Blogger biz0, at 11:27  

  • i don't think we can say every fan for himself. if we fans truly want change we've got to take a more proactive stand, together there's strength in numbers..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:30  

  • Prem, guys,

    Can a PIL be filed against the BCCI for leaking the email? Can an investigation be conducted? The BCCI has subjected the cricket-loving public of India to emotional distress by leaking that email...can we make those scums feel the heat?

    By Blogger rp, at 11:30  

  • hats off to rahul mehra.. he needs to be given the ashok chakra or soemthing.

    hey prem can u post his email address.. maybe we can atleast send him a thank you note.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:31  

  • To Prem and supporters of GC, check this out:

    By Blogger niti, at 11:31  

  • take up a collection for his legal fees or something.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:32  

  • Dadgiri: Is there no circumstantial evidence? The physically unfit lot are appearing to invite GC's wrath if the reports are accurate.

    By Blogger Samir, at 11:32  

  • Rahul ,
    Your simple point seems to be complex to many, including the BCCI. I think whether Chappel is a implied liar or not is not that important. Mahendra will have equally powerful argument if Sourav scores well, all Sourav needs his two centuries and then some decent 30/40 scores.

    But your 8 year old nephew's observation is observed by many.

    I still remember the Chennai test in 2001 when we needed 160+ run to win the series against AUS and Ganguly came to bat with 50+ more to win. My 8 year old nephew said, "ha darpok aahe. Tiknaar nahi" (he is so scared, he won't last). And he was right.

    By Blogger biz0, at 11:33  

  • Andhera ho gaya Mamu....!!
    & Prem it is not Jhumritalao, its Jhumritallaiya...thats where most of the song requests on old Vividh Bharati used to come from. Indian equivalent of Timbucktoo..!! Anyway as for Indian Cricket, very much along the run of play!! Nothing radical was expected. Thats why I said Andhera ho gaya Mamu!!

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 11:33  

  • Dadagiri,

    I also wish GC had kept focus on performance issues to make it harder for SG to escape

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:34  

  • agree narad, but its a free country. people can choose to stand up and fight or swallow bcci's incompetence and continue watching the game.

    RP: in addition to not watching the game until changes are made to the current set up, i also plan to write a protest letter to the sponsors of the next series that involves india. bcci thinks they can get away with murder because the money is flowing in like water. well, not only am i going to not contribute as a fan, but will do my bit and make sponsors aware that they are earning my displeasure and business too by sticking with the bcci.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:35  

  • Dadgiri: One more question: telling lies to VVS is a "wrong reason"? Now, because of the nature of the inquiry it may not have been proven. But is that allegation trivial?

    By Blogger Samir, at 11:37  

  • narad: mr. mehra's email id - mehraandco@gmail.com

    i sent him a thank you note and he responded to it too! a true gentleman and a cricket loving fan.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:37  

  • I think the worst sufferers in the whole episode are those poor prospects who spend hrs practicising and playing in useless domestic matches in the hope of getting a chance to play for the country one day.

    All because a selfish non-performer denies them the chance because of his powerful connections

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:37  

  • and I don't see any hope.. things will never change

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:38  

  • correction: sponsors will earn my displeasure and lose my business

    By Blogger saum, at 11:38  

  • hey saum good idea about the protest note to the sponsrs of the ind-sl series. post it on the blog and will undersign it.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:39  

  • yeah saum- count me in too

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:41  

  • saum, one more

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:42  

  • and me

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 11:44  

  • Samir,
    The big question is "IF". I will be reluctant to believe everything GC has to say because I don't think it will be fair on our players who have given their all in the past years to bring us joys based on just one man's words without any proof. Before today's meeting, I kept on saying that guys let's wait and let's hear from SG also before we reach a conclusion. A player who has served his country for 10 years deserves at least that respect. I have no problems with anyone including GC if they want SG to be removed purely based on cricketing reasons. But to believe every words of GC's email is a bit too much. Does changing batting order during a game or changing the playing XI on the day of the game or pacing nervously in the dressing room during our batting tell conclusively that a man is in unstable mind? Do you know who is one of the most nervous players in our dressing room? It's none other than SRT. We all know all the details about SRT anyway. Has this nervousness prevented him anyway from reaching greatness?

    Also, be careful when you say 'lot'. Do you think YS is physically unfit? Doubtful. Do you think VVS and Kumble are fitter than YS or Bhajji? Don't bet on it. Let me repeat once again, those who believe that a few players are unhappy with GC ONLY because of his fitness regime probably don't want to know the truth. If you don't want to believe Bhajji, it's fine. But if you have read his comments, did he only talk about GC's fitness regime? You should wait to hear from others before reaching any conclusion. I don't think that excuse will go down with anyone - not with JD, not with More, not with Gavaskar. Nobody will stand by you if you refuse to work hard and these guys are not idiots not to realize that.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 11:44  

  • narad: i think we need to petition Prem or one of the other Bloggers who post on the blog page rather than the comments section to do the needful. if anyone has Prem's email Id - pls drop in a line? we can collect signatures and pass it on to the sponsors and Mr. Mehra (with his permission of course) in case he needs it in his case against the bcci

    By Blogger saum, at 11:46  

  • i meant - Prem or one of the bloggers needs to help us post the petition on this blog.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:48  

  • not sure if prem is checkin the comments section or not.. haven't seen him posting here.. would one of the other contributors pass on saum's thoughts? shud be able to get a couple of hundred signatures atleast..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:48  

  • dadgiri:

    I don't think it's a question of whether X is fitter than Y...if X is fitter than Y but X isn't giving 100% whereas Y is giving 100%...who would you choose? Rather, it's a question of whether X gives 100% to the team's cause or does he use the team as if it is his personal property.

    By Blogger rp, at 11:49  

  • saum,

    count me in too.

    By Blogger rp, at 11:49  

  • why no discussion on that world today transcript:D...everybody knows why..btw...well done mock turtle..I would have loved to read worma and dadagiri too:)

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 11:49  

  • oh dadagiri....u are here..cool so somebody with a different view after all.

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 11:50  

  • guys - one thing i must say is that the only reason our team did well after the match fixing crisis was because there was immense pressure on selectors and bcci to stop politicking and produce results or lose all fans. and that's what happened - SG and JW, and i give them most of the credit, took advantage of the prevailing sentiment and did a great job. but once the fans started flocking back to the team, bcci was back to their bad old ways. they need another rude awakening from the fans to bring them to their senses.

    By Blogger saum, at 11:52  

  • yeah i bet they could date it so that it's always on top. i wish one of those talented writer sorts could come up with some good language for the petition.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:52  

  • and what better way then to jolt the sponors who will hopefully shake bcci out of its slumber since bcci doesnt listen to the fans....

    By Blogger saum, at 11:54  

  • u're right on the money saum.. literally :-)

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:56  

  • how about we (i am more than happy to put something together to jump start the process) come up with a draft ourselves and the rest of you and maybe even Prem could help edit/fine tune it before posting it on the blog?

    By Blogger saum, at 11:57  

  • yeah, all this may help..though, i am quite doubtful. But what abt the email leak? How come no one can question the BCCI on this? Surely there must be some way to at least send them scurrying for cover if not get to the bottom of this?

    By Blogger rp, at 11:58  

  • sure.. i'll help..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:58  

  • hey if we get enough number of people.. it will definitely help.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 11:59  

  • RP,
    Samir said that only the 'unfit lot' are under GC's wrath, and that's why I pointed out that I don't think YS is unfit. I don't think that VVS is fitter than YS. Thus to simplify it by saying that only unfit lot are against GC is not the truth.

    No doubt that it's a serious issue IF indeed SG lied about VVS. If it can't be proven, then we can't help it. But that doesn't mean GC's words should be taken on it's face value.

    While on VVS, some people have pointed out that GC had made it clear to him during the SL tour that he has no place in the ODI team. If VVS has understood it, then why did he go to the media when he was dropped from the ODI series in Zim? Or is it just another assumption that GC had explained to VVS in Sri Lanka itself?

    Another point. Many people have accused Ganguly for going to the media that triggered the whole thing and also accusing him of breaching the code of conduct. First of all, I agree that SG shouldn't have made any comment, but it should be noted that he didn't GO/RUN to the media. He was probed about this topic (which was already leaked) and he acknowledged which he shouldn't have. Now let me ask about VVS. Why did VVS talk about negative vibes only a day before SG's comments? Did anyone probe him about it? Shouldn't it be considered a breach to code of conduct? You know the answer, and yet hardly anyone has raised this issue. And remember VVS is a senior player too.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 12:00  

  • to make sure the sponsors get jolted i plan to send them the letter once everyday for the first 2 weeks, if no response then twice everyday for the next 2 weeks and keep escalating the protest...until they get the message.

    and keep doing the same for the next series and the next and the next

    By Blogger saum, at 12:01  

  • Wonder if this is possible?

    When you enter this Blog, it gives you 3 or 4 options.

    If you like GC go to..
    If you loke SG go to
    If you like.. and so on..

    That way, it would be more pleasant convesation of like minded people. We are likely to make more friens than enemy. Almost ready to kill each other here for what????

    Contempt breeds more contempt and Prem can breed more Prem.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 12:07  

  • Narad,

    I wish it was 'definite'...but experience forces me to be skeptical/cynical. But I am fully supportive of the idea though.

    Can we order a national 'bandh' on attending cricket matches? We always have a bandh by the truckwallas etc etc. Can't the cricket fans unite for one cause and ask the BCCI to reveal who leaked the email? Prem, others, can't the media come together and ask the junta for a national 'bandh'? We have a month's time to sort this out...it would be gr8 if cricifo, rediff, indianexpress etc etc. could come together and issue this 'bandh'.

    By Blogger rp, at 12:07  

  • I'd be very surprised and annoyed if Chappell does not resign after this. In effect he has faced the following - (i) Confidential report leaked to the media by none other than the top BCCI officials (ii) Labelled as a liar i.e. direct pot shot at his integrity & (iii) presumably he has been asked to work within the constraints laid out by the board vis-a-vis putting up with certain individuals!

    If Chappell stays back after these insults, what does it say about his supposedly forthright and uncompromising Aussie mentality? Bollocks?

    By Blogger Amit, at 12:07  

  • If Ganguly had backed Chappell's appointment then it follows he had a clear idea about what he expected from him. He wanted his TEAM-MATES to play better than they had been playing.

    To my mind, Ganguly was concerned that players had started comparing themselves to the captain and not to what was required to win games. Thus, there was a fair few number of inconsistent and gutless performers. They would play for themselves, ie. score a meaningless (slow) 50 and remain in the team. It meant someone like Laxman complaining why he was treated differently, as he too was only comparing himself to Ganguly.

    There were the favoured ones whose work ethic and fitness was similar to Ganguly's and then there are those who for some crazy reason had more pride in their performances and have done very well in a context of a dismal and pathetic team. Here I am refering to ODIs. For tests, there were only two heavy scorers (Dravid and Sehwag), both of whom deserve an immense debt of gratitude. Likewise the bowlers, including Kumble, Harbhajan (for the first half of the season) and pace bowlers.

    Perhaps with Chappell's guidance there is finally a way forward for Kaif and Yuvraj (to a lesser extent). Pathan, Dhoni and Gambhir seem to have a winning mentality, for now atleast. If the others also do the same, their pride of performance and the desire to win will be restored.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 12:07  

  • i say we gather enough signatures first. if we have enough then, we wont have to send it that often. if we send it too much, they may just block us as spam.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 12:11  

  • hey we can all have different opinions and still be sane without getting personal.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 12:13  

  • Guys/Gals,
    Dont you feel cheated?The BCCI has done it again....patch-up work and set the ball spinning again.What about the factions within the team??What about the differences in choosing the final eleven??How come Chappie buckle down so meekly??The mail was so aggressive and i can't believe it has died such a lousy death.
    There is not going to be an investigation,no levelling of charges.In a way,i am disappointed with Chappie a bit--thought the Aussies preferred to take it on the chin....looks like $200k/annum seems better than shooting the lip.Sigh:(...we are fools trying to find the light at the end of the tunnel.

    By Blogger sunnyside, at 12:19  

  • Well Chappell isn't as clean as everyone is making him here. I agree with him on Ganguly's removal issue but I dont think his approach was right neither do I believe the entire email.

    He was a failure as a coach. Paul Wilson, One of his 'boys' @ South Australia Redbacks (where Greg served as coach before becoming the India Coach) has this to say about him :-

    "Greg Chappell's a fantastic individual skills and batting coach, but he was a poor coach when it came to looking after a group of people....When he was with SA, a lot of guys fell by the wayside. Greg didn't seem to worry himself with a lot of the guys and they really didn't feel led.....I don't think he looked hard enough within his own squad or within the state for the players that could have improved...."


    That's not to say that I want Ganguly to stay and Chappell to go. Actually I do want Chappell to stay and Ganguly to go because
    1. Ganguly is done as a cricketer.
    2. Regardless of his past performances Chappell must be given time to prove himself.
    3.Ganguly isn't the future,coach Chappell is.

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 12:19  

  • well..the ultimate coup for Dalmiya would be to bring back SG after the England tour as the coach in place of GC...would that not be great???

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 12:24  

  • Prem,
    You seems to be good at digging the graves for people and often justified but not always.

    Perhaps, you can also start digging one for Chappel and I have a high level of confidence that you will come up with enough material. BUT , that is only if want to.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 12:24  

  • There was a very good piece by Steve Waugh in Hindu and he cautioned about one thing :-

    "...Sports fans are fickle all over the world, and while Sourav's form is constantly a talking point, the public was happy to have him back at the helm, only because Rahul Dravid lost the final of a tri-series in Colombo. This is why decision-makers should guard against being swayed by public opinion..."


    I guess Waugh is so right on spot here, there are many fans who cant stand one defeat and bring their daggers out if India loses one series against Dravid. We saw it in Pakistan, after India lost the test @ Lahore (when Gul took a fifer) everyone started gunning for Dravid's head and hoped that Dada would be back. (same thing happened after SriLanka series too).

    So If I am a national selector I would trade carefully here before making a decision.

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 12:26  

  • Breaking News

    Bush Hires BCCI; Saves Indian Cricket

    After seeing BCCIs unparalleled ability to sweep all problems under the carpet, President Bush said he was mightily impressed and informed the White House News Corp that he has hired BCCI to sweep all his problems under the carpet as well.

    By Blogger mip_co, at 12:27  

  • lol @ mip... btw guys, i had stepped away for a meeting and hence no msgs for a while...

    anyways, i will put together a brief letter for the sponsors and see if Prem will post it on the blog so you all can read it and suggest changes, if any. we can then collect signatures and send it over.... what say fellas?

    By Blogger saum, at 12:48  

  • saum,

    sounds good...looking forward to what you come up with...

    By Blogger rp, at 12:54  

  • The call for legal action against GC's slander has been heard...

    Lawyer: Do you have any proof that this Sourav Ganguly has been lazy?
    GC: If you watch any of his matches...
    Lawyer: Yes or No, Mr.Chappell.
    GC: Yes.
    Lawyer: Can you produce it in court today?
    GC: If you look at the the physio and training reports...
    Lawyer: Excuse me Mr. Chappell you are not the phsyio or the trainer, are you?
    GC: No.
    Lawyer: Then why does this concern you?
    GC: This affects the performance of the player. If he does not lead by example other players like Harbhajan and Zaheer start slacking.
    Lawyer: Will the court please note that Mr.Chappell admits to questioning the performance of the players and their commitment, which is nothing less than a breach of contract and clearly defamation of character.
    GC: The evidence is on view every time India takes field.
    Lawyer: The law is blind, Mr.Chappell.


    There are also reports that people are going crazy trying to find proof that Indian team is lazy and unfit. All over India you hear...

    "It was right there, under our nose"
    "I know I saw it somewhere"
    "MA! Have you seen my PROOF? (sob) I can't find it"

    The effect of this episode of Indian cricket is far reaching. From Kerala Express....

    "In Thiruvegapuzha, a woman was repeatedly stabbed to do death by a young man in broad daylight outside a crowded tea stall. Despite overwhelming support for the theory that the man has committed murder as indicated by forensic science, witness accounts and other sources, the suspect has been released since there was no proof."

    By Blogger Jiet, at 13:05  

  • Saum,
    Have been mum(ly) following the "discussions" so far. I endorse the signature campaign. Please write one up, and hopefully Prem can put it where we can "sign" and show our displeasure over the way this fracas was resolved and....grrr...I'll stop before I pop a blood vessel.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 13:30  

  • For the sake of Indian cricket, please let us stop investigating this further and let us give the coach and the captain a chance to work it out!

    By Blogger Ram, at 14:18  

  • Friends i was reding your reactions and one in particyular stands out. That of mock_turtle. Should hand it to him for his stand on this issues. Mock R u any where from bihar, If not i would suggest that you talk to lalui mean this guy is like a Bihar Politician. He is always on the look out for people like you. I mean people who never likes the truth never have the stomach for the truth and noth but the truth. All they care is for blatant lies, betrayal and double games. he conviniently forgets that BCCI is stupid, he conviniently forgets that GC has substantiated his claim of SG being a liar by asking him to comment on GC's remarks on VVS in front of VVS for which SG never had a proper answer. This tells volumes about Mock_turtles character....

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:26  

  • anirudh
    please keep your mouth shut about indian team loosing.
    i dont mind who stays and who leaves this team..
    but dont ever speak 'i hope this team loses'
    its very sad to see so ugly minds like you wishing the team to lose just for the sake of ganguly loosing!

    By Blogger rahul_dravid, at 14:27  

  • RD, And whats wrong with saying that India should lose? The people running the game dont care.. the people playing the game dont care and the people watching (us ) dont care enough to do anything about it.

    What bugs me the most is that this shows the team has no heart to work hard and still we want to support these bunch? Sheesh!

    By Blogger BTB, at 14:49  

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    By Blogger GregChappell, at 14:50  

  • We want a BCCI President who is a liar to be in power in the next BCCI elections (I think nobody can beat RSM in this regard - I mean being the best liar)!!!

    By Blogger GregChappell, at 14:52  

  • I really like the concept of Team BCCI as opposed to the Indian Cricket team. That way, they can do whatever they want. Is anyone interested in floating an IPO to start Team India Inc. This would be traded in BSE and can be registered with SEC type org in India. Would have legal rules for insider trading, leaking of emails, will comply with Sarbanes Oxley.

    Let the mis-manager GC and the incompetent SG and power hungry Dalmiyas and Pawars screw Team BCCI as much as they want.

    How I wish there was an Indian Kerry Packer....

    By Blogger sauravganguly, at 15:19  

  • btb,
    if u like to say india 'should lose' or say like anirudh that 'hope india loses' then u are really ill minded.
    who is ganguly or dravid or sachin..there was team earlier than them which was loosing every now and then(1960's-1990),but still had 'good' viewers.
    now some people are sick who want india loose for not having sachin as captain or for not having dravid as captian or having saurav as captian..
    these people are sick in minds..!!

    By Blogger rahul_dravid, at 15:58  

  • Ganguly by Series:
    and Chappel statement that the scores are against weak opponents.

    Well, feel free to exclude BD and ZIM scores.

    Still the picture is not as bad as it is portrayed.
    In Aust - 284@ 47.33
    In Pak 77 @ 77
    Aust. 59 @ 19.66
    SA 97 @ 48.50
    BD 159 @ 79.56
    Pak 48 @ 9.60
    Zim 117 @ 58.50.

    and I am going to remove the scores against BD and ZIM.
    That leaves 565 runs against good opposition at average 33.23. Considering that BD and ZIM have been removed, runs in Aust should be upgraded / looked at favourably. Lara and Richard score about 45 in Australia.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 16:38  

  • They chose the worst outcome possible. Complete stale-mate. The two arrogant fu**s will continue leading our team into oblivion. At least GC can introduce fresh ideas. I can't seem to fathom what SG has left to offer. He is not going to score any runs, he is going to be the worst fielder in international cricket, and things in the dressing room are going to remain uncomfortable. Where does our board get off??

    By Blogger sid, at 16:40  

  • And the Strong Contenders in Waiting..

    Kaif bats 24.50 in 12 completed innings
    Yuvraj 33.90 in 10 completed innings.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 16:49  

  • Samir, nice post, well thought out and neatly presented!

    By Blogger rn1, at 20:23  

  • Heavens Prem, you have really lost all judgment, haven't you?

    Have been noticing it since I read your column 'Six Wise men..' yesterday. First you write stuff about RSM neeing to consult his 'inner voices', now you have blown a gasket over the idea the 'RSM has called GC a liar!', and you are elsewhere linking to [and praising] as childish a reaction as Vasu's.

    So what is it? A love for a good turn of phrase and the truth be damned? Or simply a hatred for RSM which has gotten better of you? Or is it simply the fact that spewing polemic for a living has rendered you incapable of undersanding the basic concepts of management?

    Let's see - GC levels accusations. SG refutes them. The physio and the manager refutes the allegations. And it is RSM who is calling GC a liar, and wrecking the trust of the team and the public. Yep, that is such well-balanced analysis. Behold me impressed. Or not.

    By Blogger Ritu, at 22:54  

  • Dear Ritu

    You get it all wrong

    GC does not lie - he merely makes inaccurate allegations due to miscommunication

    This is picked up by the journos in their frenzy to be heard and ensure readers' mind space

    After they got to eat too, unlike us who get our money from our work and follow cricket as a passion - the journos need to follow cricket for their livelihood - no question of passion there

    So they need us to be constantly interested - a placid pool would not do - they need to whip up some frenzy - simple

    Just dispassionate work - so the journos donot need to have either the guts or the dignity to say sorry to the icon they picked on in their quest for their livelihood

    Please refer to a similar comment by our PM

    And finally - it is not only SG - the same journos hassled even Kapil - to the extent of his breaking down - based only on Manoj Prabhakar's allegations

    So what better would you expect ?

    By Blogger GKD, at 04:14  

  • ritu,

    Perhaps, Prem has mellowed.
    He has posted one or two post that shows GC in bad light.

    There is more to dig on GC if Prem wants to dig it, that is.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 10:28  

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