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Thursday, September 22, 2005

Ending before it starts

An Asian Age report on the abrupt termination of today's BCCI AGM has lots of comments from the anti-Dalmiya group members; the faction backing the incumbent president appear to be keeping their own counsel.
I suspect that even if -- when -- an election is held, nothing will be solved; particularly if the JD group wins again. For why? Because this adjournment has now provided another reason to go to court. As Bindra points out here:
"The court orders clearly state the meeting cannot be adjourned till the observers arrive. How can you adjourn a meeting that is not even convened? No sooner than we went inside Mr Dalmiya called for an adjournment and Mr Mahendra supported him."

Even if you brush Bindra's take aside as bias, commonsense tells you the adjournment is legally on weak grounds. Once you call an AGM, you cannot adjourn sine die without the consent of the majority of the members -- which was clearly not sought here. Further, the reason given, that everyone is waiting for three observers to assemble, doesn't stand the test of reason: the court appointed the observers *only* to monitor the electoral process, and not to keep tabs on the whole AGM. And the election is only *one* item on the AGM's agenda -- therefore, to claim that the AGM has to be adjourned till the observers get there seems a bit iffy.


  • I didn't want to be the first to comment as I fear peopl may by habit ignore the first post.. but oh well...

    This was probably the master stroke by Dalmiya. He gets his cronies to register court case and then suspends the AGM indefintely till the observers are appointed. What does this acheive ?? Frankly we are mere mortals and would not understand. Let wait to see it unfold and only then can peice together the motives of his chess moves

    By Blogger Amit, at 14:25  

  • the reason is dalmiya with his four votes doesnot have the majority. so what do we do?
    BTW is this guy connected to Indira gandhi anyway if you guys remember she dismissed rama rao ministry just because...:>

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:41  

  • Someone suggested Sashi Tharoor. I think Wodehouse could do it justice as well. It reminds me of one of those Wodehouse golf stories between two bitter rivals. Also the "Hogwarts High Inquisitor" Umbridge in Harry Potter.

    Anyway, Dalmiya has guts, but people shouldn't overestimate his cunning. What's unusual about Dalmiya is not his smarts, but the lengths he's willing to go to get what he wants. In Solomonic terms, he's always been willing to cut the baby wide open.

    And with someone like Dalmiya, who very few people really like (unlike Ganguly), the perception of power is everything. That's crumbling now, with the increasingly pathetic things he's been doing to retain power.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 14:46  

  • amit, it depends on who the observers are and what they do. It seems to me that the observers can do two things:

    1) they can say "it's up to the BCCI president to make all the decisions, we as observers are not going to interfere." In which case Mahendra will give 6 votes to himself, 4 votes to Dalmiya, he'll sideline Lalit Modi in favore of Kishore Rungta, etc. The Dalmiya faction will also regain the perception of power, and with that they'll be able to extort/bribe some voters to switching sides.

    2) the observers can set some basic ground rules: one man one vote, no disqualifying voters, and you have to hold the election in a timely manner. In which case Dalmiya is basically toast, unless he can convince some voters to switch sides.

    Scenario #1 is logically absurd, because that would mean that once a BCCI president is in, he could retain power forever, with no constraints. But when has logic had anything to do with it?

    Which direction will the observers go in. No idea.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 15:04  

  • Aaahhhh... feels good to be back after being Locked Out of the blog for so long. Was able to put one solitary comment somewhere before being locked out again.

    Damn... then hacker has been pretty meticulously in blocking me out. Which makes me wonder if s/he is a Ganguly fan?

    Was reading previous posts and saw that a Pro SG vs Anti SG match was being organized and I was being offered to lead the Anti team. I will be glad to be a part of it. I guess I will have to start my practice ASAP to dust off the rust. Are the teams finalized, BTW?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:15  

  • ruchir - welcome back ... you really get locked out or what? ... speaking of the test match do you bowl the the slow left armers like your namesake Sunil Joshi?

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 15:26  

  • Prem! IMHO, In India all through centuries , our one big failure has been this inability to build strong, durable political/administrative systems. Somehow our Social structures are very strong but we could never come up with a strong system say like Roman empire, mind you I am not talking about a unified,central govt., even within provinces, only accidental strong leadership gave stability for sometime. -:), if you are still with me, my point is, your take on BCCI AGM & also the other regulars here seem to concentrate on the results rather than on the process/system. Lets not worry about who wins the BCCI election drama, either Dalmiya or Pawar, it doesn't matter, if the system is corrupt, even good intentioned guys will be converted by the corrupted system.

    My point & hope is, media & fans focus more on the process we follow in electing the BCCI president(like president voting 4 times etc).

    I hope the court had ordered a clear/fair definition of election process in BCCI rather than appointing observers to foresee the process. We cannot carry on with observers for too long, eventually observers will become corrupt.

    One other thing is, I strongly object to this involvement of politicians in a purely sporting body. This political inteference is one of main reasons for our poor sporting performance. Whenever we object, lets object for a one man, one job principle as far as BCCI staffing is considered. We need full time professionals to run this sporting body. I think, a constitutionally more democratic BCCI will help in keeping the politicos out of the equation.

    In this regard, Prem, how about a Cricket followers club or something along the lines? a cric followers club to give voice to fans aspirations in terms of cricket administration. To keep away from mess, this body should purely concentrate on lobbying for process/administrative set up changes and not talk about individual players/selection etc. The point is, lobby for good,fair system and the system will take care of the performance. With enough members enrolled, with the help of a court law suits etc, we an make BCCI take note.

    What do you all say?

    By Blogger flute, at 15:27  

  • Hey Ruchir, welcome back.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:28  

  • flute, I agree

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 15:30  

  • http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/22agm.htm

    read this..dalmiya is crying foul before the match began :>

    By Blogger tombaan, at 15:31  

  • gopal:

    Thanks for the welcome, buddy. Yes, I was locked out very early on the 1st day of the 2nd Test. Since then I could not post any comments. I was able to squeeze one comment somewhere but it is only today that I find myself back in.

    About the Test, I am a batsman. I did try bowling early on but everyone said I chuck (unfortunately, Murali incident had not been solved at that time) so I gave that up... :-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:33  

  • Hello toney,

    What's happening with the match??

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:34  

  • Looks like the observers are honest:)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 15:35  

  • dalmiyas policy seems to be heads I win tails you lose :>

    By Blogger tombaan, at 15:36  

  • ruchir - Now I understand why I got the feeling the dada-heads were dominating the message boards this whole match. It's baffling for me to understand how one guy (you know who ;)) has garnered such maniacial following that they go to such lengths spending time to block out people (first PP and maybe now you ) from even commenting on some blog against HIM. Amazing.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 15:38  

  • gopal:

    *LOL*... Really amazing. Well, now that I am here, the sides will be more balanced, if I can put it that way. :-)

    I noticed a lot of action happened in past couple of days. I saw People vs Prem, People vs People, Pro SG making fun of him..... I really missed all of it (commenting part). It's been calm today, maybe because there is nothing much left to say??

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:43  

  • ruchir I liked 'People vs Prem' title LOL :-))..sounds like a real crusade...wonder if Prem would be flattered ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 15:46  

  • ruchir, u talking abt the 2nd test? Its all over :)

    Abt the other match, the pro-SG group has to come forward with suggestion for a captain :) Seems like there are some disagreements on that. They are plannning to ask us, as external observers to see that the nomination of captain is fair.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:47  

  • worma:

    Well, I should not take names to point out people, it would not be polite to do so. So I used "People" in a general sense. And I hope Prem does not take it as a crusade otherwise only god can save him (and this blog)... ;-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:49  

  • toney:

    I followed the IND-ZIM match, I was talking about Pro vs Anti match. :-)

    You say they are having disagreement? Wow... I guess they can do a coin toss for captaincy with our representative monitoring it. If the coin goes the Sholay way (standing on its edge), they can have a slug-fest. Last man standing would be the captain. We would even go to the extent of refereeing the slug-match for them. How's that?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:54  

  • Hey Ruchir...why assume such self-importance?!
    ....why should someone bother to lock out a half-wit like you?
    ....tell us the truth.......that your boss made u slog like an ass...and u couldn't manage to log in!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 15:55  

  • Where is the match going to be played? I don't mind being the 3rd umpire :-)

    By Blogger Mr. V, at 15:55  

  • ruchir...going by what all its gone through...i think god *is* saving this blog :-))

    toney....someone leaked our..uhh...iGF team's management meeting issues to the press....so they are packing their bags to leave the tour in the middle :P...see you guys tomorrow :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 15:56  

  • c u tomorrow, worma. :) Wonder which reliable sources leaked that valuable piece of info.

    Ruchir, as far as I know, there are no rules in those slug fests. So, our need to monitor those affairs will be insignificant, just as some other observers' tasks are going to be

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:59  

  • Mr. V, the match will be played right here...

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:59  

  • torch:

    Polite reply to you would be: You can check with the blog's net admin to verify my statement (if you care).

    Nasty reply to you would be: I am a normal person and I think something is blocking your view. Oh yes... I can see what. To make you see clearly, you need a swift kick on you ass to snap your head out from it. Is that what you want??

    Take your pick, which reply you want....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:04  

  • See you tomorrow worma...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:05  

  • looks like Dalmiya has one night to think of something clever. Right now it seems that his only plan is to claim that the observers don't have the right to open the meeting, and they don't have the right to interefere in the meeting until the BCCI gets to the election. And then he apparently plans to delay the meeting, and delay the election, for as long as possible, until everybody else gets tired and goes home. Bladder diplomacy, in other words.

    If the observers don't allow him to do this, what else has he got up his sleeve?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 16:07  

  • toney:

    *LOL* about no rule slug-fest.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:13  

  • Another development -

    now from Madras High Court

    Cricket club’s plea against BCCI rejected:

    By Blogger Anand K, at 16:14  

  • Hey PP the whole India is waiting for the arrival of Pawar, Damrupur and Lele. The are gonna trun the fortune of Indian cricket as it was before 2000. The better days aint far away.

    By Blogger Vick, at 16:17  

  • Ruchir,

    Please refrain using such language in this blog, especially if you are a **appointed** contributor. If you continue doing this, then we'll have to report you to Prem.

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 16:23  

  • um, Vick, Dalmiya was chairman of the ICC and was effectively running the BCCI since 95/96. The situation in the late 90's *was* a Dalmiya operation, and Lele was Dalmiya's man when he was BCCI secretary.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 16:27  

  • santa:

    As a contributor, am I suppposed to take everything dished out to me without saying a word? Under what provocation did torch called me a half-wit?

    I am not ready to take anything from anyone without replying back.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:28  

  • All are birds of a feather - if there is no accountability, you wouldnt expect the national interest to be the criteria for making decisions, self-promotion will replace it.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 16:30  

  • Ruchir,
    Take it easy pal!!
    Instead of resorting to ass and other body parts, you could still have kicked his/her bu**, by using a saner language.
    That's all I meant.
    Thing is, that if people start seeing this kind os language used by contributors, that they'll start using it more.

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 16:33  

  • santa:

    Point duely noted.

    But anyone would get an urge to give a fitting reply when someone insults you unprovoked. That's what I was saying... :-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:36  

  • santa:

    Even then, I gave torch two choices of my reply: a polite one and a nasty one. ;-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:37  

  • mushy is in the news again. not for the recent comments by inzi and wolmer, not because he took a 5-fer ...... but because mushy scored a 90 no against Kent. he can min when sussex were struggling at 192 for 8 and stayed there till the ywere all out for 392.

    inzi now has someone else to fall back on if he fails with the bat....

    By Blogger Mayur, at 16:43  

  • I would be curious what role IS Bindra plays if the opposing camp gets what it wants. I think he may be a good administrator.

    By Blogger Amit, at 16:44  

  • aha...BCCI and Dalmiya sure are in a fix..:-)

    But looks like Dalmiya still had the ace up his sleeve...

    After this ruling, when he was forced to have 2 more observers...in addition to the one that was probably his croony,

    An application was moved before the court by Netaji Cricket Club of Chennai and Rajasthan Cricket Association seeking revision of Thursday's order appointing Suhas Sen as the sole observer for the much-hyped polls to the world's richest cricket body.

    The two clubs had sought appointment of two more observers to have a three-member panel to oversee the elections.

    BCCI's counsel Pratap Chatterjee stated before the court that the Madras high court had rejected Netaji Cricket Club's petition earlier during the day.

    Netaji Club's counsel S K Kapoor, however, claimed that the petition before the Kolkata high court had been moved to pre-empt a decision by the Madras high court.

    Dalmiya has now cancelled elections
    The Board of Control for Cricket in India's Annual General Meeting was adjourned indefinitely on Thursday, after the Board said it would not start the meeting unless all court procedures are over.

    The rival group, led by Union Agriculture minister Sharad Pawar, is unhappy and will challenge the decision to postpone the meeting.

    Lolz and they are going to court to challenge the election...

    But I dont see why he has no authority to cancel the AGM. If the crowd is unruly, how do you expect the majority to be taken into confidence and then annul the meeting.

    Itz obvious the Dalmiya wants to break loose and keep it for another time.

    Btw, that brings a question, the news report mentions that they were in a posh hotel.
    Doesnt the BCCI have an exclusive conference room in their office.
    Why do they need the comforts of a posh hotel..

    And all these facilities for so called 'Honorary' members that pride on the fact that they dont take a single money for their 'cause'.

    If they take everything in kind, what is the need for cash...eh :-)

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 16:48  

  • By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 16:53  

  • Gingko, saying a BCCI president can cancel elections is like saying the PM can cancel elections whenever he's behind in the polls. This isn't Pakistan, man:)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 17:12  

  • Lolz, am not suggesting that.

    He just cancelled the AGM which is actually a meet of the existing board members., and one of the agenda was to conduct the elections.

    He could still cancel it and reschedule it at a later date.
    The only caveat could be that he has to do it before the term of current team ends.

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 17:18  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 17:21  

  • Ah, the contributor returns and check out his valuable contributions to the blog so far. Methinks he fits better in the BCCI AGM drama politics.

    By Blogger Jai, at 17:30  

  • Jai ???
    A bit more clearer please?

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 17:34  

  • Ginko, I can't be any clearer than that. You should know who the 'contributor' everyone is referring to.

    By Blogger Jai, at 17:36  

  • man, I wasnt following the discussions. and I'm not sure who you are referring to.

    But in any case, if you are so scared of naming the 'contributor' why the sarcasm in the first place?

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 17:38  

  • BTW, I just looked up "sine die" and it means "indefinitely". Looks like Dalmiya's latest strategy is to start using big words:)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 17:39  

  • Dude, this is a damn virtual forum. Why should I be 'scared'? As they say in Hindi Samajhdar ke liye ishara hi kafi hai? Why the sarcasm? Because I preferred to be sarcastic. Problemo?

    By Blogger Jai, at 17:40  

  • ginko - The contributor Jai is referring to is Ruchir

    Ruchir - welcome back but please really do refrain from being abusive. I agree that the blog contributors need to maintain decorum, else we will surely see a slug fest ... but obviously you are free to do what you wish coz this is your blog afterall...

    By Blogger Rakesh, at 19:17  

  • Oh ok. Thnks Rakesh

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 19:29  

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