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Monday, September 26, 2005

Former board boss heard from

Been a while since the SPIC boss weighed in on matters cricketing -- but Dr AC Muthaiah now breaks his self-imposed silence and asks the one question that I can almost guarantee you will never be answered: To wit, who leaked the email?
Tangentially, Muthaiah also questions the locus standi of this review committee. By all accounts, this body was decided upon at the time of Chappell's hire, to periodically review progress -- but Muthaiah has a point of sorts, in that there now seems no real hierarchy. Can this committee do more than recommend? Are its recommendations binding? What happens when this committee, which is ostensibly supposed to meet every once in a while, review progress and make recommendations, does so and the selection committee over-rules it and does its own thing?
That last question is what really puzzles me: if you say that this committee is meant to periodically review the team, with a view to monitoring its progress towards WC2007, should its suggestions/recommendations not carry weight? Does it? If not, what is the point anyways -- just another committee to keep some people happy?
And while on the committee itself, SK Nair makes an interesting point about the reason for its constitution:
Nair said it became necessary to have the Committee as it was felt that there remained a communication gap between the coach and the Board in the days of John Wright, Chappell's predecessor.

Um, what was that again? Wright wrote reports he sent to the board; he emailed; he spoke to the board officials time and again and occasionally, also to its de facto chief, Jagmohan Dalmiya. Care to elaborate, Nair-saab, on exactly what form this 'communication gap' took?

116 Comments:

  • @prem
    from the reports coming in it seems like a compromise wud be the most likely outcome. I dont belieeve GC will agree to that - but maybe he will decide to get along with his job and let SG play his way out of the team ... whats ur take ?

    By Blogger GK, at 13:33  

  • i am with you gk. and prem i thought you were gone for 4 to5 hours and you are back in an hour. :>

    By Blogger tombaan, at 13:35  

  • A compromise might be reached for now but we have a busy season ahead and I have a feeling that this would not be the last time we see/hear/"read" about a coach/captain tamasha until SG is kicked out.

    Problem is that as Manjrekar points out, Indians are basically an emotional lot and we cannot take harsh decisions.

    By Blogger Kannan, at 13:46  

  • This i think just came out hot of the press~!
    Ganguly under fire as BCCI plays third ump

    http://web.mid-day.com/sports/national/2005/september/119657.htm

    By Blogger sherine, at 13:51  

  • http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20051003&fname=Youhana+%28F%29&sid=1&pn=2 not connected what we are talking but an intersting read...

    By Blogger tombaan, at 13:57  

  • Wright was nice coach who was respected but that respect went away after sometime.
    having read Chappell's email, I think he is the man for the job. He seems to atleast have a plan to capture the WC2007. So let us give Chappell complete control of the Team and see what he can do.
    I mean we have played the Indian way for a long time let us try out the Aussie way and see what happens.

    Funny thing is I am a huge fan of Ganguly. But now I feel he has to go.

    By Blogger Sridhar, at 14:04  

  • Prem:

    The "communication gap" that Nair is talking about is the gap between ear-drum and brain.

    For board members, this gap is so large that it requires a committee to fill it.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:04  

  • LOL
    it is may be the language. was it written in malyalam?

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:08  

  • btw what is nairs cricketing background?

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:10  

  • There was a hearing in US recently about how a CIA agent's name was compromised by leaking it to the press. The newspaper was asked to name its confidential source. based on the list of questions GC and SG will be asked, it looks like the committee is trying to find out the source of the leak. Cant they 'subpoena' AnandBazarpatrika to reveal the loose cannon?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:12  

  • tombaan:

    I am not sure but he may have been working as a waterboy for some bank's team. He was later, allegedly, kicked out because he could not keep the water cold. The coach, apparently, asked him to use ice but he could not understand that. "Communication gap", you know... Too much for him to comprehend...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:15  

  • are u sure nair didnot raise a lal jhanda somewhere and say we will strrike

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:18  

  • bcc doesnot have any legal standing remember gardhamb. it has no legal standing it is just a sty

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:19  

  • I dont think any action of BCCI under present leads can statishfy PP.

    By Blogger Vick, at 14:23  

  • I am sure someone inside ABP would be willing to sell the info (even anonymously).
    And then again isnt there already enough public pressure on the rag to disclose the identity of the leaker. I suppose if the leak had been anyone other han JD, ABP might have already thrown him to the wolves - but they must be really scared to keep quite for so long - which again strengthens my belief that it is JD.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:26  

  • vick,
    Exactly which action of the BCCI has pleased you?

    I have a big feeling this email was sold rather than leaked.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:29  

  • k guys.. we have spent so much blogspace discussin, can we, the fans, come up with a creative way to force bcci to work as a professional organization? I think all of us agree, both the pro and anti gangs groups, that bcci sucks. So, guys let's come up with a way to make it "unsuck" :-)

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 14:30  

  • Who are the major players in the Indian cricket administration, their backgrounds, interests, how did they come to possess so much power in Indian cricket, how do they connive and what is their M.O.?

    Is there is a public accounting of the monies that pour into Indian cricket? What is its growth rate, how is it used/invested, what are the major programs, operational costs, so forth? Is there a reasonable estimate of how much is misappropriated each year? What about bad programs and poor investments? Which government and/or private body, if any, regulates/oversees the BCCI to ensure that everything is done in the best interests of cricket in this country? What can be done to improve the administration of cricket? How much better can it be in terms of performance, monetary and cricketing performance? How do you revamp this obviously dysfunctional and corrupt system in the long-term?

    There is a lot of commentary, editorial opinion and innuendo, but I have not seen any methodological investigation of these issues in the style of, e.g., a Watergate or an Iran Contra. I'd think a month- or year-long investigative documentary of sorts would be hugely popular. Every time an issue like this comes out, there is a lot of discussion for two months, but ultimately nothing changes and soon we are back to business as usual. The public is obviously hungry but lack the necessary direction or resources. The journalists, opinion-makers and may be a public + governmental oversight committee should be the ones to take this up.

    By Blogger mip_co, at 14:31  

  • narad, you are talking an AK47

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:31  

  • i say if we cannot put our money where our mouth is, then we should all just shut up and take it. all this "talk" doesn't seem to be leading anywhere....... sounds like one of the "design" meetings the project "managers" make you sit through.. analysis paralysis..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 14:31  

  • ROFLMAO gardhab.. :-)

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 14:32  

  • I am sensing one thing. Whatever be the outcome of this BCCI ordeal, once GC leaves (now or later), no foriegn coach will ever think of taking up coaching assignment in India.

    If the board can not keep a confidential email secret, if the captain has freedom to go on TV and discuss/validate dressing-room talks; then what is the use of becoming a coach? If the coach does not have power to discipline the players then why is he needed? Who will supervise the players? Lazy captain? Non-existent Manager? Political BCCI?

    No matter how the current game plays out, I don't see any qualified coach taking up the job in India in future. We will have to make do with Kapils, Wadekars, Lals or even Amarnaths.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:32  

  • The most spineless solution would be to keep GC and SG. Knowing the BCCI thats what exactly will happen. (although they did act sternly on match-fixing)

    By Blogger Amit, at 14:32  

  • guys u need to understand people in india dont care a hoot. they are busy meeting the days challenges it is nris who come to the forums more often to be nostalgic about the game they loved so much

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:32  

  • The conclusion of the so called review committee is foregone - no conclusion. The only intersting thing to watch is the reaction of GC. Will he be so disgusted as to turn in his papers (assuming of course that his contract allows him to do so) or will the thought of his lucrative contract make him another John Wright, willing to compromise. Neither of course bodes well for Indian cricket. But, ever optimists that we are, we will scan the horizon for the next messiah to appear.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 14:34  

  • I think people in India do care.., atleast the ones I know do.. did you by any chance read harsha's article in the express... if the amount of angst expressed in that doesnt touch a nerve back home, I'd be very surprised..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 14:35  

  • mip:

    BCCI is a co-operative society. It does not need to make its Balance sheet public. It is only required to file it with Registrar of Companies. Because it is a co-operative society, it gets all the tax benefits for matches held in India. It works as a no-profit organization, or at least it is supposed to work like that.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:35  

  • Even if I quit, BCCI will always be able to find another foreign coach - as they have plenty of cash in their coffers to wave like carrots.

    By Blogger GregChappell, at 14:39  


  • Exactly which action of the BCCI has pleased you?


    >>There are several and thats the reason why BCCI is the only sporting body in country which is doing 'at least' something. Has shown at least some results compare to all other. You cant expect miracles from one group when whole other lot is in mess.
    Here are few actions which has been done recently, and have benefited cricket.
    1. Appointment of pitch committee. The results in the domestic imply that the it has worked.
    2. Restructuring of the Ranji trophy. Again it has become much more competitive than it was few years back.
    3. The new pay package for domestic cricketers. They are making much more money than say 5 yrs back.
    4. The National team has been provided with almost everything they have demanded in recent time from foreign coach to trainer to physio.
    5.Even in this case they have continued with the same people who appointed/selected the coach. Since our selection committee changes every year this committee can work as buffer between coach and selectors. Since Coach have no say in the selection this committee can look into his demands. Remember this was on the issues highlighted by J Wright.

    By Blogger Vick, at 14:40  

  • But I don't want to quit at this point - I owe it to the Indian cricket fans all over the world.

    By Blogger GregChappell, at 14:41  

  • What we need is another body to rival the BCCI, to get it recognized by ICC as the true rep of Indian cricket. Then and only then can we get the BCCI to reform, but then it would be too late for BCCI.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:41  

  • I am sensing one thing. Whatever be the outcome of this BCCI ordeal, once GC leaves (now or later), no foriegn coach will ever think of taking up coaching assignment in India.

    >>Even more would bestanding in line infront of BCCI office wherever that is. Remember each of these condidates for Coaching job wanted the Indian one first before going to Lanka. Indian coach's job comes with much higher pay package and also is more high profile.

    By Blogger Vick, at 14:43  

  • I hope somebody should pay heed to the "All Time Great" thinker Sanjay Jha at cricketnext..

    Ironically, he has surveys for every piece of shit that he writes..

    Every article is overwhelmingly voted as poor but he just wont stop.

    He is still stuck to "Off side God all time great captain..Superhuman ganguly" theory.. and wants RD to endorse it.

    I am sure he is not into 2-minute noodles.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:43  

  • In your opinion; should the BCCI Review Meeting tomorrow:

    Sack Greg Chappell, retain Sourav Ganguly. 14.42%
    Sack Sourav Ganguly, retain Greg Chappell. 59.55%
    Retain both. 10.1%
    Sack both. 15.92%
    this is from his website maybe ..he doesnotread from his fucking ivory tower

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:47  

  • Now read this, this is hot..

    Dear Greg: Why? How? What now?
    at
    http://web.mid-day.com/sports/national/2005/september/119582.htm

    This is turning out as expected.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:49  

  • what results in domestic imply that it has worked? care to put forward some stats ? like say guys who plundered runs/takin wickets in the domestic arena making themselves heard abroad?

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 14:51  

  • yeah we'll definitely get a foreign coach who wants a lot of money but doesn't care about our cricket getting any better..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 14:52  

  • sunil,
    Stop reading Jha's opinion. He talks just bs.

    gardhab, your suggestion of a parallel body- The problem is, the ICC will never accept it. And it is very difficult to garner public support for this. After all, how many people in India religiously follow the (mis)deeds of this corrupt organization? Without these two, the exercise will only be a waste of time.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:52  

  • Just imagine what a coup it will be for Pawar and co if it is proved that JD or RSM leaked the email! The latter two would be very publicly discredited.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:53  

  • Prem,

    Article suggestion for rediff/India Abroad.

    Why don't we put together some of the more humorous posts from this blog together about this issue and post that as an article on rediff and India Abroad? This thread has several of them I think. Unless I am the only one who finds some comments funny.

    You can even have a contest on your blog soliciting some. The most humorous comment (as decided by you, worma, etc) should be treated to an all expenses paid trip to Manahattan to have Dinner with you. Any takers?

    By Blogger mamu, at 14:53  

  • According to them Coach should not communicate with the board in the middle of tour..
    (At the same time when board secy is saying there was a communication gap with JW)..

    Another Qs to Greg..

    How did the media find out that you had asked Ganguly to step down before the first Test in Harare?

    Ohh seems that they do not watch TV.. They didn't see Saurav talking to Harsha..

    You called for a truce with Sourav Ganguly and even posed for pictures with him on September 18. On the same day you emailed the three board officials, criticising the captain.

    Hmm.. intersting.. if you have sent the truth email to Board, you cant play pool with captain and talk to him at al.. you should hit him with a bat.. Why the fuck this diplomacy..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:54  

  • Toney, BCCI while defending in a PIL case said they are a private body and cant be held responsible for aspirations of Indian cricket or something to that tune. You can always take that statement to ICC and get them to choose yr body over the BCCI.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:55  

  • >>Even more would bestanding in line infront of BCCI office wherever that is. Remember each of these condidates for Coaching job wanted the Indian one first before going to Lanka. Indian coach's job comes with much higher pay package and also is more high profile.

    My friend, each candidate wanted Indian job because Wright left amicably. He never showed the backbone that Chappell is showing. All the issues coming up now were hidden then. When every foriegn coach see the kind of BS BCCI and players are dishing out to Chappell, they will be extreemly discouraged. Who would want to place himself in a similar situation that Chappell finds himself in?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:57  


  • Ohh seems that they do not watch TV.. They didn't see Saurav talking to Harsha..


    >>OHHHH and you dodnt know that harsha already had information about Ganguly being asked by GC to step down? According to more than source in media, GC send detail mails to his friends in Media very often.

    By Blogger Vick, at 14:59  


  • Who would want to place himself in a similar situation that Chappell finds himself in?


    >>Again it depends upon what BCCI is offering at that time and what the condidate is looking. If there could be enough people willing to coach Pakistan than i am very much sure there are gonna be more than enough for India too.
    And dont tell me that GC's conduct in all this fiasco has been exemplary.

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:02  

  • Vick.. all these source in media are sources of Telegraph ...

    And it was Ganguly who broke the rules... Nobody forced him to say it. There are plenty of questions he has answered since..

    I would love to read one of these email that Greg wrote privately.. That would even more frank I guess and I am truely in search of frankness unline Ganguly.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:03  

  • yea doubt the integrity of harsha now.. reading some of the comments just brings to mind the proverb some perceptive dude once said "Ignorance is bliss"

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 15:03  

  • gardhabh:

    After BCCI made the statement that they are a private body, Supreeme Court gave decision that since cricket is the most followed game in India, BCCI is in fact doing a public duty by managing the game. Hence, its team will be called Indian team and can wear the Ashok Chakra. After this decision, BCCI can not hide behind the fact that it is a private organization. Alos, this is also the reason why a parallel BCCI can not be established unless existing BCCI is demolished....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:03  

  • Huh, co-operative society... That's interesting. The players represent India, don't they? At least that explains the infighting and lack of transparency. 'turds. Does this mean that there cannot be any governmental oversight? Maybe we ought to petition the government to commission McKinsey to do find ways to restructure.

    You've got to look at, e.g., the US PGA tour which has grown tremendously over the past 15 years. A phenomenal organization that puts together a wonderful product and makes an obscene amount of money -- all with respect to BCCI standards -- all legally and transparently.

    By Blogger mip_co, at 15:07  

  • regardless of what gc did or sg did, the bcci is what stinks. it's lack of leadership and professional management..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 15:10  

  • If there could be enough people willing to coach Pakistan than i am very much sure there are gonna be more than enough for India too.

    I am sorry, exactly how many people applied for PAK job? Only 1, as far as I know. And he got the job after he was refused by India. Point being, only one brave person applied in PAK because he knew how messy it was and still wanted to brave it out. India was very exciting at that time. Now, India is the messiest of the most messy boards. I wonder how many will apply at this ponit in time.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:11  

  • i say in a months time once the dust settles, and some compromse formula struck, and after another loss, we'll be back here whining about why bcci sucks, and why the selection committee should be sacked.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 15:14  

  • Anyone saw Mallika's interview? I came to know that she talked about female infanticide, women being oppressed, her getting beaten by mom, her lack of clothes and excess of kisses because of her being oppressed etc. etc. Those who saw said that it was a very very depressing interview and extreemly damaging to India and her. Complete opposite of Ash's interviews.

    Anyone can verify this?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:17  

  • In case you want to send e-mail to Greg Chappell, here is Greg Chappell's e-mail address:

    greg@chappellway.com.au

    By Blogger GregChappell, at 15:19  

  • ash came out as a ditzy blonde with no knowledge whatsoever.. very embarassin.. so not sure if mallika's was an opposite view or if she just added to the already present perception after ash,

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 15:20  

  • What time is the committee meeting? When would they make a public statement (if at all)?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 15:27  

  • narad:

    I did not see either Ash or Mallika's interview. But Ash, as reported, did not bad-mouth our country, said good things mostly. Mallika, on the other hand, began her interview by bad-mouth her country, parent and society. That's what friends told me....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:28  

  • Sack them all, board included.

    www.nakedcricket.blogspot.com
    www.gauravdigs.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Naked, at 15:31  

  • Please don't be misled by simplistic thoughts of parochialism.

    Dalmiya supporting Ganguly has nothing to do with their common Calcutta roots. That is a convenient illusion that hides something more sinister.

    Controlling the BCCI is a job akin to being MD of a company like Tata Motors (apologies to V. Sumantran). The money being controlled is comparable, and their is way less transparency. Better yet there is no board to oversee the board(!) and no shareholders who are answerable.

    1. What better way for a honcho who wants to cling on to power than to appoint and befriend a person whose place is the team was *never* a foregone conclusion? What better way than standing up for him when the chips are down? If the team does not rebel, the problem to manage is so much easier. Change some irrelevant persons in the equation (like inducing another compliant or tolerating coach) and the public's demand for change is quelled.

    Ganguly, to his credit, thought well in getting someone whose credentials are awesome. Little did he realize that the man would threaten the status quo and look beyond who referred him to the position. Dalmiya erred greatly in acqueiscing to his protegy's recommendation. In doing something fasr sighted, they unknowingly threatened their very hegemony.

    2. What better way for the honcho to secure his place than appoint the marginal son of a cricketing great into the team? In one swift move he ensures that the cricketing great is reluctant to confront him. It is only natural that a doting father avoids creating disappointment in his son's face. Better yet, appoint the cricketing great to a feedback committee so the public continue to be distracted from the primary goal. Pulling the money strings.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 15:35  

  • ruchir ruchir kai jaala kai tula. keva pason tu mallika mallika che raat lavle ahain
    sod na tila. let her show some tits and entertain sex hungry indian...what is ur problem or is it
    malllika mallika malllllika malliikkkaaaaaaa with you? LOL

    By Blogger tombaan, at 15:40  

  • awesome post tffy.

    By Blogger mamu, at 15:43  

  • tombaan:

    I did not get what you said in Gujrati (or was it Marathi?) but I could sense what you were trying to say.

    I don't have a problem, man, it's just that wanted to know how our Indian heroines are presenting themselves and their country in western media. That's all.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:50  

  • Sunil,
    Yes, SG broke the rule for 'adimitting' to the media, he didn't discuss it. The media asked him whether it's true or not. Do you remember the previous day VVS talked about negative vibes in the dressing room? What do you think of this? Why only you, I've not seen anyone crucifying VVS yet. I see, he's the victim of politics. Can GC say that his mind is not stable too?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 15:51  

  • look at the issue objectively .. is it ever right to play mindgames with your teammates when ure in a position of power just so you can get them on your side?

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 15:55  

  • Absolutely not narad. That's why GC shouldn't single out players from the revolt group for praise. I see he did that for VS and then also for ZK. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 16:00  

  • SG is India's version of Musharraf - cling to power at any cost, even to the deteriment of the team (or nation) you are 'leading'.

    By Blogger saum, at 16:01  

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    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:02  

  • SG is India's version of Musharraf - cling to power at any cost, even to the deteriment of the team (or nation) you are 'leading'.

    By Blogger saum, at 16:03  

  • sorry for the multiple posts...

    By Blogger saum, at 16:04  

  • i still say that a rotten tree will produce rotten fruit..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:07  

  • The bigger fish (Dalmia) should be sacked which will lead the smaller fish (SG) to go away by itself.

    BCCI administration is a joke for a Non-Indian and a shame for an Indian.

    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:07  

  • dadagiri:

    GC said that SG's mind is not stable, for a reason.

    If the captain of the team goes to the coach and asks him "What do you think of me as a player?", what should the coach understand from this? Why is the captain asking such a question? Such a question would be asked by a person who is not sure of himself and his abilities. Who is not sure of his place in the team. Is it not? If SG had a problem in his batting, he would have asked "How can I improve myself" or "How can I rectify this problem". But what he asked was different. That is what prompted GC to think that there was something wrong.

    We have never heard VVS or RD or VS or SRT ask any coach what the coach thinks about them. Have we? Why not? Because these guy are usually confident of their talent and of themselves. If they have a problem they pin-point it and work on correcting it. SG, on the other hand, denies he has a problem with short balls.

    It is because of the question SG asked, GC came to an understanding that SG was not sure of his abilities at that time. Thus the comment of being unstable. Thus the advice of leaving captaincy to get back in form. How can a player lead a team when he is not sure of himself?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 16:08  

  • Looks as several of us predicted here, it is going to be compromise tomorrow. Here is the link with new information. Looks like GC has already been contacted.

    http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IES20050926101151&Title=Sports&Topic=379&NEW~DELHI/MUMBAI:~Hours~before~a~BCCI~review~panel~meets~at~Mumbai's~Taj~Mahal~Hotel~to~hear~Greg~Chappell~and~Sourav~Ganguly's~versions~of~the~biggest~crisis~ever~to~hit~Indian~cricket...

    By Blogger flute, at 16:09  

  • In the Indian Express

    http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulliestory.php?content_id=78912

    By Blogger SHRI, at 16:09  

  • The most likely scenario is, SG & GC will compromise for now and after SL & NZ series, SG will be eased out. Of course we will loose 3 precious months in the process. But, I guess that is the best possible out come.

    One hope is, atleast as part of the review, HS & VVS are pulled up for speaking up out of turn!!

    By Blogger flute, at 16:11  

  • This from Steve Waugh now..

    http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/27/stories/2005092703462100.htm

    By Blogger Dementor, at 16:13  

  • so we still on for boycotting one ODI?

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:14  

  • Count me in

    By Blogger SHRI, at 16:16  

  • I am in too :)

    By Blogger Ridham, at 16:17  

  • average of sRT, RD and ganguly Before and after bouncer rule in one-day matches: From Sulekha.

    Sachin:
    Before 263 256 22 9899 186* 146 143 42.30 27 50 12
    After 85 83 10 3743 152 146 141 51.27 11 19 3
    Dravid
    Before 139 130 10 4450 153 145 123* 37.08 7 29 4
    After 123 111 19 3933 109* 104 104 42.75 3 33 4

    Sourav
    Before 158 153 14 6284 183 153* 144 45.20 16 35 5
    After 121 117 7 3839 127 117* 112* 34.90 6 25 9

    Very well evident that Bouncer Rule didn't affect SRT or RSD as their avg. improved but SCG's dropped by 10 runs per innings

    By Blogger G285, at 16:24  

  • I will bet anyone that they will STALL tomorrow? No decision will be made or made public anyway.

    They will say "We have heard both parties and report will issued to the Board". Any decisions on team composition will be made in the selection meeting to be held Mid October before the Sri Lanka Series."

    These non-committal impotent bloodsuckers of the Indian Tax-payer will never have the guts to make a hard decision.

    Excuse my french, cannot help being pissed off about this. It is an insult to being Indian and makes an absolute nonsense of being an Indian Cricket Fan!!

    By Blogger Akshay, at 16:26  

  • Why only 1 one day?

    Seriously I am not going to order any pay per view cricket involving India till I get back my confidence. Right now I am not sure when I will gain confidence on BCCI and Team India.

    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:28  

  • so counting you akshay that'd make 4 people who will be boycotting one ODI

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:28  

  • http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulliestory.php?content_id=78909

    By Blogger SHRI, at 16:29  

  • http://www.the-week.com/25oct02/currentevents_article10.htm

    By Blogger SHRI, at 16:29  

  • well one ODI sounds like something that the avg cricket nut can atleast think of doin..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:29  

  • Agree with Akshay on BCCI and committees impotency... (not sure about the taxpayer money being wasted... the money spent will be from BCCI coffers... so more like fans' money). I say all BCCI and selection committee members should be publicly lynched! And, if SG doesn't get the message that he should quit, then fire him. Down with SG Musharraf!!

    By Blogger saum, at 16:31  

  • Guys,
    if you want to watch watch from streaming sources like sortingstreams.com or sgstreams.com That way you end up affecting the ratings (as these are not official broadcasters), which in turn will force the dumbass BCCI to take action and you will not miss watching these morons make jokers of themselves

    By Blogger Dementor, at 16:31  

  • Dont know about the boycott, lets see what happens tomorrow.

    If they continue as if nothing it will be a tremendous shame and Indian Cricket will lose its charm an be an absolute farce

    By Blogger Akshay, at 16:32  

  • hey dont be comparing sg to musharaff, sg atleast did some good for the team.

    there you go gopi,.. as akshay so frankly put.. shows how hard it is to even boycott one odi

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:35  

  • I mean, I cannot think of any other fans being so much involved in sport perhaps with the exception of some die-hard English football fans who keep supporting their teams despite losing something like 40-50 games in the season.

    They have to realise that the fans will go just as fast as they came. Perpetual Losers like these have no place in this world.

    By Blogger Akshay, at 16:37  

  • http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1501869,00120002.htm

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/htcricket/14_1501885.htm

    By Blogger SHRI, at 16:39  

  • that's the thing though, akshay, the way bcci is run,just based on the talent of the team we'll never be perpetual losers (giving fans hope), we'll just be perpetual underachievers.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:39  

  • And it is not easy just ignoring the off-the-field happenings and take the stance that "all I am worried about is the cricket and all that happens on the field".

    In Indian cricket, unfortunately, what happens off the field has a major impact on the happenings on the field.

    By Blogger Akshay, at 16:42  

  • http://www.the-week.com/25oct02/currentevents_article10.htm

    When Ganguly threw the tantrum and threatened to leave Zim, Chappel should have responded with a 'drop down and give me 20'. That would have solved the issue right there.

    By Blogger mip_co, at 16:43  

  • but then his elbow hurt mip.. whatcha sayin... dayamnnn! :)

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:46  

  • Narad & Akshay:

    Agree, as one among many cricket fans outside India who always follow/watch a India match @ odd hours this whole tamasa hurts.

    Who knows, if some sense prevails among the BCCI and review committee, the perspective might change.

    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:46  

  • Just read about the compromise deal being worked out and that chappell needs to be "indianised", if that happens and SG continues to lead after this soap op., one thing is for certain, its not long before we reach the state our Hockey team is in!,,,,I wonder what kind of perverse pleasure people like SG,JD and that Nair fellow get in subjecting cricket loving Indians to such torture!!!!

    By Blogger sherine, at 16:47  

  • My prediction is that SG will no longer be in the ODI squad but will maintain his place in the Test team and may also keep his captaincy of the test team. Gavaskar will push for that citing SG's captaincy record and also India achieving the current # 3 ICC test rating. When the ICC test ratings began we were # 7. Gavaskar might also point out GC's vision and concerns are mainly re: WC2007 but have nothing to do with tests. Then it will be up to SG to hold his place in the test team as a batsman. SL series might very well be his last. If he survives SL series then he goe to Pak tour next year and SHoaib and co. may very well put SG out of his misery. SG can join the August company of his best friend BS Bedi as a captain who lost his job and place in tests after goign to Pakistan.

    RD will take over captaincy of the ODI team and will continue the fine tradition of losing to SL in the coming series in the ODI's. Let's not hold our breath for any Miracles for WC'07. Super six should be quite all right. Meanwhile ZAK, Nehra, VVS, AK etc. need not apply for WC'07.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 16:49  

  • Narad-han : Bhai, underachieving is the same as losing. If you are "under" then you have not "achieved". If you are under you have lost and you should be chucked out. When you get it back you come into the side but you have to work your way back in.

    Cricket is a "CONFIDENCE" Sport. If the guy is not confident, he cannot play. Even Sachin Tendulkar is awful when he is not confident. He though has immense talent and therefore has even learnt to play and score 240s even when out of form.

    At the moment, there are very few in the side who are confident and I do not mean confident of their palce in the side. What I mean is confident to face up to any kind of bowling and not hesitating to plant your front foot down and smack the ball.

    Even RD had lost his confidence after losing his captaincy.

    Therefore, when you are underachievement happens when you have actually lost your confidence and hence lost your game as well.

    By Blogger Akshay, at 16:50  

  • even after we got good guys like wright and techie staff to give input to make the team btter, and nothing has changed, then why should we expect anything other than more of the same? something drastic has to happen for me to give me hope abt the bcci..

    the team will do what it has always done, but unless something changes in the bcci nothing good for indian cricket is going to come out of this.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:50  

  • May be GC should start eating some pani puri, aloo chat and samosa kick start his "indianisasion" :)

    Don't think SG, JD et al really worry about cricket loving Indian fans ...

    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:51  

  • i'd squarely put all that blame on the bcci .. not on sg.. not on gc. the bcci is to blame for this imbroglio.. pure and simple. what the bcci has done so well is split the fans and make them into an anti-someone / pro-someone groups, then watch them beat each other and burn effigies while they play the fiddle

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:54  

  • i wonder if they will start caring, when the sponsoring companies start pulling out. i guess they'd start pulling out if they get enough hate mail from fans who care about indian cricket.
    or some such.. money is what they crave so cut the flow dudes..

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 16:56  

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    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:56  

  • I tell you something, guys. these days the captain has got to be really technical about the game. He has got to make sure that so & so bowler has seen all the batting videos of a certain batsman etc. He has to undertake all kind of statistical analysis as well to use it as a guide to making strategy etc. He has a major role to play off the field and then implement the plns on the field. The media is also part of these work.

    RD fits the bill for all this. Anil Kumble fit the bill in his time and if he had been made captain 4 years ago, India would have been a different side today.

    People like SG only do something when they are kicked up the backside. There is no initiative. the only thing I would give him credit for is instinct but off late he started taking it for granted.

    By Blogger Akshay, at 16:57  

  • Wow what a solution!!!

    SG can still be captain of India 'B' team and could be sent to Bangladesh and Zimbawe. JD with his influence could get ICC official status for these matches.

    Coach could be some one recommended by SG.

    Leave alone Team 'A'.

    By Blogger Gopi, at 16:59  


  • >>RD will take over captaincy of the ODI team and will continue the fine tradition of losing to SL in the coming series in the ODI's. Let's not hold our breath for any Miracles for WC'07.


    LOL. RD fans are already offering excuses for future failure under him :))

    By Blogger Vick, at 16:59  

  • hang all those bcci officials.

    By Blogger saum, at 17:00  

  • and fire SG Musharraf

    By Blogger saum, at 17:02  

  • dona thinks he will be back in form. is it not enough for you guys? she says so on the week link found elsewhere above..i have full faith in her...

    By Blogger tombaan, at 17:13  

  • Hey guys,
    I am not one to type an opinion online often, but since we have so many intelligent and analytical people visiting this blog and sharing their views. I have a couple of questions for all of you.
    1. In a population of what 10 billion people (where all other sports are seemingly forgotten) from which we cannot produce a world class team in over 21 yrs, why are all of us following this sport (actually any sport)?
    2. Why are sports and politicians hand in glove? Why is there even the remotest connection between them? Why isn’t the sports authority of India still corruption free?
    3. Is it wrong to expect that all we viewers and tax-payers are paying their frikking salaries and expenses, and we should have a will to fry their dirty asses with their dirty linen?
    4. Is it all about the money, stature, endorsements when it needs to be only about passion? If a cyclist can come back from near death to win the most arduous of physical sports and terrains, seven times. The commitment of more than 10 billion Indians can not collectively win a gold medal. What does that say about us as a country? I know the answer to that one - sore losers.
    5. Have we as citizens ever stopped to look hard and fix this termite like infection to the infrastructure of our day to day lives- to our municipalities-our country- our politics to-our sporting culture?
    6. Are we that ridiculously weak physically, mentally and genetically that we have to look for appreciation from other westernized countries (not just sport but every aspect of our lives)?
    7. Do we deserve better and what have you done to deserve better than this and many such national fiascos?
    Have a lot more questions but I promised a couple, sorry couldn’t stop at just a couple.
    Regards,
    Ashutosh

    By Blogger ICE, at 17:15  

  • I believe Ganguly definitely wants to play test cricket but is unsure of his ODI form. Of course Yuvraj and Kaif are firmly entrenched in the ODI XI which gives them opportunities to cross over into tests. If so, it would allow the team to have flexibility to experiment with a new player or two.

    The problems in tests has been that only Sehwag and Dravid have been heavy scorers. Of course Gambhir and Sachin had an OK Pak series. This lineup should be sufficient against SL (tests) on flat pitches but problems will arise on pace friendly pitches of Pak. If so, it should give Laxman and Ganguly one series to get into good form or lose their places to more deserving players.

    As far as Greg's coaching is concerned, there are bound to be weaknesses and strengths. The strengths I believe is the work done on the players and the desire to get the best XI on the field. The weakness is the tactical nous and not messaging the egos of a few senior players.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 17:17  

  • why massage any damn ego... play for your country or else shove the ego up where it belongs.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 17:23  

  • Ruchir,
    Here's a late reply due to 'my life outisde the blog'.

    You said:
    GC said that SG's mind is not stable, for a reason.

    If the captain of the team goes to the coach and asks him "What do you think of me as a player?", what should the coach understand from this? Why is the captain asking such a question? Such a question would be asked by a person who is not sure of himself and his abilities. Who is not sure of his place in the team. Is it not? If SG had a problem in his batting, he would have asked "How can I improve myself" or "How can I rectify this problem". But what he asked was different. That is what prompted GC to think that there was something wrong.


    Now it's not really fair to assume exactly what prompted GC to think like that because in his email, he didn't point out exactly that becaue of point #1, I think Ganguly is not stable in his mind. This could be due to multiple of reasons including the funny ones like changing batting order and pacing nervously in the dressing room. SG has contacted GC earlier. Since GC never chose to write email about it, we'll never know how actually SG started those conversations. To suggest that SG doesn't have a stable mind because he asked GC where according to GC he actually stands as a player is utterly ridiculous. IMO, it shows SG's respect towards GC till that point and his failure to see what GC has been thinking about him since SL tour (in GC's own words). Because if he had guessed GC's feeling towards him, then he'd not have gone to GC asking for his opinion in the first place. Since you are NOT GC, I think you should refrain from saying what prompted GC to say that unless GC himself has pinpointed one instance or one comment.


    We have never heard VVS or RD or VS or SRT ask any coach what the coach thinks about them. Have we? Why not? Because these guy are usually confident of their talent and of themselves. If they have a problem they pin-point it and work on correcting it. SG, on the other hand, denies he has a problem with short balls.

    You may haven't noticed it or chose to conveniently ignore it, but I've read about occasions when SRT consulted others including Gavaskar on his batting. You say SG denies having problems with short-balls, and I see that he has consulted many including GC, Boycott, Gavaskar, Amarnath to name a few. He said that there are other batsmen who had problems with short balls citing Steve Waugh's example, but SG taking assitance from former greats are open secret. Was he taking lessons on cover drive from them?


    It is because of the question SG asked, GC came to an understanding that SG was not sure of his abilities at that time. Thus the comment of being unstable. Thus the advice of leaving captaincy to get back in form. How can a player lead a team when he is not sure of himself?

    Once again, it's not fair to speculate exactly how GC came to that conclusion. There can be one reason or more and I don't think you can identify that. However may you want to twist it, it is quite clear from GC's email that he didn't find any place for SG in the playing XI. He said that when he took the names of the batsmen that he wanted in the team. So to say that GC asked him to ONLY step down from the capatincy is far from the truth.

    Since you decided to answer to my post, you should have covered all the angles. So what do you think about VVS commenting about negative vibes to the media? Is it breach of contract or not? If not, give me some good reasons. If yes, how come there's no hue and cry over it? Is it double standard? How come the coach didn't mention anything about this in his email? If the coach had explained to VVS during the SL tour that he doesn't fit into the ODI side, then why did VVS (and Kumble) show his displeasure in the media once they were dropped from the Zim ODI tri-series? Was that right? Tell me please.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:55  

  • prasad's mind has finally succumbed to his heart.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 20:22  

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