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Friday, September 23, 2005

Geez, now what?

Breaking news, across channels in India, claims Greg Chappell has sent the BCCI a six-page email, detailing why he thinks Saurav Ganguly is both physically and mentally unfit to lead the Indian side, and why he does not want him in the team.
Trying for confirmation -- thus far, the only word is from Board president Mahindra, who says he has received the mail but outside of that, has no comment.
This has put the BCCI in the heck of a spot: there is no scope for compromise now, it flat out has to make a choice.
On at least one occasion I know of, former coach John Wright had suggested that Ganguly was not the right man for the job -- but he did that on the qt, in private meetings with Board honchos, most notably Jagmohan Dalmiya. Obviously, Greg Chappell is not the kind to follow such a pacifist route.
The intriguing question is, how did word of what is a private email from coach to board leak?
More to the point, how unfortunate that the question of India's cricket captain has now become a tamasha, for the cricketing world to laugh about.

284 Comments:

  • S**T hit the fan
    its gonna be an interesting couple of weeks replete with back stabbing and conspiracies

    By Blogger JD, at 00:53  

  • Interesting news. Last time we SG got blamed even for 'leaking' to the media (apart from admitting later on). Let's see who leaked it this time. Or will the media even speculate who leaked the story since it's probably not SG? I doubt it. This aspect will be completely overlooked.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 00:59  

  • SG did not leak to the media, he told HB on live TV. but this is way too big for the media to ignore how the news got leaked

    By Blogger JD, at 01:03  

  • "Television news channels have alleged that that Chappell had sent a six-page email complaining about Ganguly's behaviour to the BCCI"

    courtsey: cricinfo

    By Blogger JD, at 01:05  

  • OK. Anyone want to take bets on who stays and who goes?
    Unfortunately, we are all too used to the way things are run in India, so here is my prediction: Naturally, there will be a huge hue and cry in India with people for and against Ganguly (just like in Prem's blog), the people against Ganguly will far outweigh the people supporting him (just like in Prem's blog again), Chappell's effigies will be burnt in Calcutta (and he might require Z level protection next time he goes there, i.e. if he survives); Dalmia and cronies will put on a dog and pony show and reprimand both (although it is hard to imagine what reason they will find to reprimand Chappell, make sure your private emails to us are encrypted next time?) and figure out a face saving strategy for both Ganguly and Chappell to again end this mess temporarily. I suspect, though, that Chappell might just say enough of this BS and walk out which will leave egg on the face of Dalmia and company.

    By Blogger Multy, at 01:07  

  • Frankly...with all these tamasha going..I wish he steps down soon...its better to go with respect than to be a subject of public spat.
    I, like many others will miss his game...but thats the way..the world goes!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 01:08  

  • and Prem, who is making it more of a tamasha now? a paid servant of Indian cricket? as Aussie? Is there a vested interest there? If not at least the ego?
    is this why was he brought here, the Chappel?

    Why in the world Chappel has all the credibility in the world and Gavaskar, Shastri et all has none when they are supporting for Ganguly to continue. Are they really that blind? Do they have so much vested interest in ganguly? or they are really Indians in some foerigners clothing?

    Chappel has not come to India to do good for India. He is here to earn living and top dollars at that. At most according to his brother Ian, he would make a difference of 5% to the Indian team. Not sure what is in termination clause as well. You might. May be he does want to leave if India is not the team or the country for him and perhaps with good severance. You are very good at finding these kind of things and would be much appreciated, if you can thru your undisclosed sources.

    If Captain needs to be changed, than let us make that an Indian decision not the one that looks like an Australian decision.


    Kban1 the other day has alluded that you have special responsibility on this blog as a leader and so many look up to you and some challenge you as well. Keep getting this negative vibes from you about so many Indians.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 01:09  

  • according to NDTV the reports originated from a bengali daily

    By Blogger JD, at 01:10  

  • Prem..It this is true and going by the statistics of "6 page" email...this is bound to have some element of truth in it.What needs to be understood is whether the email was sent post GC's public reading out of his reconciliatory message or after.If it is after... then God save Indian Cricket.

    Whatever be SG's attitude and he being a 'disruptive' influence, GC's public gestures and those he does behind the scenes needs to be evaluated.

    In this scenario,makes sense to get both of them out of the picture and start all over again.This maybe a step backward, but would still be towards betterment of Indian cricket

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:10  

  • jd,
    He didn't elaborate at all to Harsha. He just said that yes, the news is true. I was also under the impression that all he said was only to Harsha. But there are some reports that claims that he first said that in the press conference. But even before that, the news reached the media. SG confirmed the statement that the news is true although he could have denied it. That's what I mean by 'leak'. In this case also, GC's personal email to board gets leaked with all the details. Mahendra is yet to make any comment other than receiving that email. This is the second 'leak' I am referring to.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 01:12  

  • ravi
    i think the indianexpress report said that the email was sent after the 2nd test.
    if an email has to leaked it has to be either GC or someone at the BCCI

    By Blogger JD, at 01:17  

  • Aah. Cricktip raises the "foreigner/Australian" versus Indian issue. So, putting aside the foreigner issue for the moment: you want to hire coaches that tell you what you would like to hear or coaches who tell you the truth? Why should your reaction change if it is a foreign coach telling you something versus an Indian coach telling you the same thing?
    That aside, not sure where you read statements that said Gavaskar and Shastri are "supporting" Ganguly. Last I read they were part of the panel that was going to do a performance review and make recommendations.

    This is really sad. For all the joy Ganguly gave us when he was his flowing self and the aggressive captain who took India to the next level, he seems destined now to end his cricketing career with a series similar to the one that he began his career with: Lots of innuendo and probably valid criticism about arrogance (remember "the Maharaja does not carry drinks onto the field" episode), performance, fitness etc.

    By Blogger Multy, at 01:18  

  • so what about the recounciliation that was supposedly going on between sg and gc, was that just to ensure a smooth zimbabwe tour?

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 01:19  

  • Cricktip, what are the negative vibes about indians that u are alluding to

    gavaskar is the only person who has come in support of GC which in itself is surprising as he is part of the review committe and IMO should not have made his mind about anything before inspecting the facts with his fellow committe members

    By Blogger JD, at 01:24  

  • With emotions kept aside, it is very clear that SG has only one way to go. Its 2 years since he did anything worth noticing and it was pathetic to see the way he handled Shane Bond recently. He looked more like a tail-ender than an opening bat.

    Not sure what Gavaskar and Shastri has to gain by backing him up. Its blatantly obvious that they are wrong in this case.

    I feel bad for Ganguly, who put in all the hard work, only to bring it down in no time.

    By Blogger whoami, at 01:25  

  • GC was the one who hogged the limelight after Ganguly's disclosure and told everyone that it was a motivational ploy, that he has utmost respect for Ganguly. With this email now, how the other players in the team will trust him in the future? Today it is Ganguly, tomorrow it will be someone else. If he has talked about camps, then already some players will be expecting trouble.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 01:26  

  • more titbits filtering in
    this from hindustantimes

    The Aussie coach has given several reasons for Ganguly's exit chief among them being the captain is not physically fit to be the captain of the team. The coach also states that Ganguly has been creating divisions in the team to keep his crown and often feigns injury.

    Chappell says in his mail that Ganguly doesn't take practice seriously and his apparent injury scare during India's practice game at Bulawayo just before the first Test when the captain retired due to pain in his arm was all made up by him given the fact he refused to go for a scan and came out to bat later.

    The Aussie coach writes further that if India has to do well in the next World Cup in 2007 in West Indies Ganguly must be done away with and a new captain chosen in his place as soon as possible.

    By Blogger JD, at 01:26  

  • Part of GC's message before the second test read as"Sourav and I share a mutual respect going back a long time. Thankfully, it is strong enough to survive what has occurred in the past week. I have great respect for what Sourav has achieved in his playing and captaincy career and look forward to working with him in the future."

    1.Where has the mutual respect gone in less than 3 days?
    2.What strength of relationship are we getting to see here?
    3.And the interesting part is his statement of looking forward to working with him in the future.

    Poor gullible me would think it was only about SG playing for India and GC coaching the Indian team unless GC was expecting a coaching assignment in SG's cricket academy or a consulting engagement in his restaurant business.

    Was GC forced to make the statement from the powers that be??
    Has he any indications that he may not be continuing in this position for long and if he is going down,it will not be alone??

    What happened between Tuesday and Thursday??

    Hope we get the right answers in a reasonable time frame

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:28  

  • dadagiri
    i agree with u to an extent, but GC had not expected his comment to SG to leak and snowball in the media in the middle of the tour.
    the reconcialiation with SG might have been on insistance of the BCCI

    By Blogger JD, at 01:30  

  • jd,
    What do you mean by Gavaskar is the only person who has come out in support of GC? Didn't he tell Harsha that Ganguly should continue as captain? Or is he trying to keep both the parties happy and projecting himself as neutral?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 01:30  

  • Or is it a ploy from JD group to divert attention from the election fiasco?

    By Blogger whoami, at 01:32  

  • my bad
    i meant gavaskar was in support of SG as captain

    By Blogger JD, at 01:32  

  • JD...HT is just putting the bits of data we all have gathered over a period of time and retrofitting that into the email.Pure guess work.But, not far from the truth.Common sense tells us that it could not be anything different unless he has cited specific instances of creating a rift in the team or being indisciplined

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:33  

  • I think those people backing Ganguly and pointing the finger at Chappel with nonsense like (he is here to earn a living and not do good for the cricket team) need to take a hard look at themseleves. In the past few weeks Dravid, Yuvraj, Kaif, Pathan and Dhone have all come out and said how much Chappel has affected their performance.

    It is time to keep Indian cricket's intersts at heart and move into the Post Ganguly era. Indian cricket owes a lot to Ganguly but it has now paid its dues and it's time mvoe into the next phase. Time to really deliever on the all promise that Team India has and I for one have no doubt that the team run by Chappel as the boss of strategy and Dravid as the captain will bring home more bacon then Ganguly ever managed.

    Come on BCCI, lets get fair dinkum and put Indian cricket's interests first....

    ps: This entry is also available on (http://lifeandotherwise.blogspot.com)

    By Blogger CK, at 01:35  

  • Multy,
    I just can not bear that an Indian hero who has given so much to Indian cricket would now appaer to be at the mercy of an ausstralian?

    Gavaskar, Shastri et al , statements are in on the commentryand in written prints as well.

    Hope it is not too costly to teach a lesson to Chappel as well.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 01:35  

  • Good fodder for the media and tabloids

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:35  

  • Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    While this Ganguly-Chappell showdown is going on,let us not forget that if a meeting is not convened, it cannot be adjourned! Alas, the meeting cannot be convened as there is no "respect" being shown to the Chairman.

    Let me size up where we stand:

    1. We have a mafia don who redefines the one-person one-vote dictum pulling a member of parliament by puppet strings and fighting a highly dangerous ex-labour thug federal minister for the presidency of the CRICKET board.

    2. This same board is comprised of state reps that ought not to be in the Indian Union, leave alone cricket map (e.g., Bihar). Each of these jokers carry the same weight when it comes to voting.

    3. We have a star test cricketer with highly questionable one day cricket credentials (yeah, SG's glorious display in WC '75 can never be erased) investigating what went wrong with the ODI team. This when his son of unquestionably dubious credentials was expeditiously drafted into the team not so long ago by the mafia don discussed in 1 above.

    4. We have a so-called Bengal Tiger as a captain who grinds to death some innocuous bowling from farmers earning a pittance in strife-torn Zimbabwe that confronts the coach for rightly pointing out his abject failure.

    5. The brilliant coach somehow appears to patch up with the captain claiming he was simply motivating him. Motivating him to grind those poor agriculturalists to the ground, while boring half a billion to death?

    6. Within 72 hours, the brilliant coach writes a SIX page letter to the board explaining why the captain should be axed. If he succeeds in motivating the captain this time, the uncaged Tiger will grind the Lesser Nicobar bowling attack to dust while simultaneously warding off a tsunami, only to claim he deserves to replace SRT in the ICC World XI.

    To be continued.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 01:37  

  • and for a national Hero, there must be a better way to say good bye than this situation now created by Chappel.

    Prem CAN dig up all the negative stories about Chappel as well if he wants too. Some are fairly well known facts.. eg. NZ needing six off the last ball and Chappem asked hid brother Trevor to bowl Underarm!

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 01:39  

  • My guess is the prince will get onee chappal in his face !!!!

    By Blogger Sairam, at 01:44  

  • Crictip...While I am a great admirer of SG,it is not fair for us to talk abt GC's credentials as a cricketer and astute captain.We all know the NZ issue..and GC's only blackmark in an otherwise great career.

    Good sense and balance needs to be retained.In the ultimate analysis, Indian cricket is the biggest loser

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:45  

  • Uh oh!!

    Bengali daily Ananda Bazaar Patrika quoted Ganguly as saying, "I have heard about the mail. I will say whatever I have to the Board. I hope the Board will give me a chance to explain."

    An angry Ganguly was further quoted as saying, "You can imagine the character of a person who within hours of a truce goes and writes such an email."

    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 01:48  

  • Bengali daily Ananda Bazaar Patrika quoted Ganguly as saying, "I have heard about the mail. I will say whatever I have to the Board. I hope the Board will give me a chance to explain."

    An angry Ganguly was further quoted as saying, "You can imagine the character of a person who within hours of a truce goes and writes such an email."

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:48  

  • This is it...Relationship going back to a long time...Now for GC and SG, each will be an object in the rear view mirror as they move along in life...Very sad day for Indian cricket

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:50  

  • Cricktip:
    The point is precisely that: Ganguly is completely responsible for the predicament that he is in, he is not at the mercy of anyone else, let alone an Australian. No one would be asking questions if he had performed in the last two years. To me, all Chappell seems to have done is raise valid questions and make suggestions privately about/to Ganguly regarding his attitude and his performance which a lot of other Indians have been saying out aloud anyway. That this got blown completely out of proportion was not in Chappell's control (whether it was Ganguly's fault or not is arguable, even though he was the guy who publicly said it the first time on national Television).
    Lets forget Chappell for now. How long should any coach tolerate and indulge a player like Ganguly based on his past contributions? Especially if the dude is the captain of the side as well? Look at Steve Waugh, surely he has contributed more to the Australian cause than Ganguly has to the Indian cause? The selectors there were ruthless in discarding him once his performance started waning, and full credit to him that he got the message and decided to go out on his own terms; which is something the Indian cricketers never seem to learn (Kapil, Azhar and now Ganguly...)

    By Blogger Multy, at 01:51  

  • I think attacking Chappell as tghe australian who is out to get the Indian captain is really low. If the significant improvent thus far in the season from the likes of Kaif, Yuvraj and Pathan is anything to go by Chappell is starting to have an effect on the players.

    Considering Ganguly has lost his marble's and gone senile, what else can be the reason to tell the press in the middle of a test match my coach asked me to step down and now he has egg in his face cause i scored a century against Zimbabwe.....

    Let's get serious guys, it's time to end the Ganguly era. He has outlived his purpose. It's time to have a captain who demands his place as either a batsman or a bowler not because he is the captain.

    Dravid/Kaif fit that bill, Ganguly does not....

    By Blogger CK, at 01:51  

  • I can't quite understand this brouhaha about Dalmiya voting multiple times. If 4 clubs gave him a proxy, what is the problem? The club has a vote; the club asks Dalmiya to cast the vote. It could have asked the janitor to cast the vote as well, but it didn't. Did Dalmiya go against the club's wishes and vote for somebody else? If not, what is the problem?

    Chappell is within his rights to do this. However, whoever leaked it now has ensured that it is him or Ganguly. That is a little sad. I beleive that there is still quite some juice left in Ganguly. Ganguly's record abroad is excellent - especially after he became the captain. His home record sucks - again especially after he became the captain. But usually, he didn't need to perform at home, even Deep Dasgupta hits centuries at home. It is his failure in the recent Pak, Australia series that is making this visible. I would also bet if he had won against Pak and at least drawn against Aus, nobody would have complained. The day lost to rain at Chennai in the Aus test has a lot more effect than simply making that match a draw!

    By Blogger RV, at 01:52  

  • tffy, Great Post!!

    By Blogger Multy, at 01:54  

  • Its to bad he is in this situation, but he is past the expiry date. One the one hand we want the board to function like the australian board and when someone tries to do something about it, we jump over to the other side and start talking about history, legacy, etc. Sometimes, i feel that as fans, we dont deserve anything better.

    He has been paid back multifold for whatever he has done for the team and the country with all the adulation and money. Agreed that he was better than his predecessors but that doesn't mean that we are indebted to him for ever.

    By Blogger whoami, at 01:55  

  • RV..True...Let's all blame it on the vagaries of Chennai weather and get going.IMHO,wasting a lot of time on something we have no control on.Would rather wait and watch as the events unfold.

    I am outta here..

    Bye Guys

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:56  

  • Agreed that SG needs to go. But, how did this get to the media. My suspicion is that GC leaked it himself and I think if SG gets ousted because of his e-mail, then rightly or wrongly, GC is still not going to get the support of the entire team.

    I am not a great fan of SG in his latest avtar, but I would place more credibility on some body who has contributed the most as a captain to indian cricket then some body like GC who looks like he is trying to play God.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 02:05  

  • ck....I think it was Ganguly first...who made international headline by acknowledging Chappel's contribution towards his batting.....before any of the others whom you have named. And that remains one of the few public and positive credentials about Chappel's coaching.
    You must be haluucinating ...when you imagined that Dravid/ Kaif captaincy will take India to greater heights!....
    Take a life man!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 02:08  

  • The best cricket matches I have had the privilege to witness were in Barbados and Antigua in 1979, courtesy the Kerry Packer circus. Greg Chappell scored 3 fearless centuries in 5 tests, narrowly missing two more that included a tragic run out. He faced Croft, Garner, Roberts and Holding at their fiery best on juiced up pitches at home. One should trust his opinion when he sizes that someone is deficient when batting. Pity is his missive and opinions are being directed to some Congresswallahs.

    Anyways, rest assured he's euthanized the tiger. The sheep in tiger's clothing.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 02:08  

  • Crictrip,

    chappell has not created that situation, Ganguly himself has.

    By Blogger Chandan, at 02:08  

  • Some people know when it is time to go out at the top and some people need to be forced out of the team.
    Gavaskar, Steve Waugh belong to the former category while Kapil Dev,Waqar Younis are in the latter category. Bottom line Ganguly has already passed the "Used By expiration date".

    Its another media created image that the success formula for an indian captain is "in your face, aggressive captain". Yes Ganguly was very successful with that as long as his batting sparkled.

    Unfortunately this will go against Dravid and Sehwag if Ganguly model of captaincy if that is what we are looking replicating success.

    I have to agree with Greg Chappell's email that Ganguly is being a negative influence. In our professional careers we have less respect for technically incompetant or less than capable senior colleagues, then how do we expect better performing team-mates to respect Ganguly the captain.

    However, I dont know how a graceful exit can now be managed for Ganguly.

    By Blogger DJ DG, at 02:12  

  • wonder where prem or worma is? come on guys.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 02:13  

  • The news was leaked by a Bengali (vernacular) newspaper. Maybe some Ganguly sympathizer who is involved in BCCI (aah, now who could that possibly be??) found out and tipped a journo? The level of detail mentioned in the news reports (that the email is 6 pages long etc, not the fact that Ganguly is lazy and does not put in a lot of effort into practice, which any armchair critic could've guessed) indicates that it was either the sender (Chappell) or the receiver (Dalmia mein kuch kaala hai) of the email who leaked it.
    Kind of hard to believe that Chappell wanted to raise another hue and cry in the media by leaking it (with a lot of deviousness) to some Bengali newspaper. Then again, maybe he did *LMAO*

    By Blogger Multy, at 02:13  

  • Seriously, how many board members are capable of reading email on their own? Greg Chappell had a momentary lapse of judgement.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 02:18  

  • Pity is his missive and opinions are being directed to some Congresswallahs.


    tffy,
    What does it mean?

    By Blogger Chandan, at 02:19  

  • I sense that the mood in this and other SG-GC related threads on this blog is that, apparently by removing SG, everything will be well in indian cricket. guys! get real...GC is right about Ganguly, but still GC seems like a theoritcal coach and I do not think he is capable of taking indian cricket upwards.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 02:19  

  • To those defending Sourav Ganguly,

    I can understand your love for Ganguly. I can understand your wishful thinking that he might just turn the corner in terms of his performance. I also relate to the feeling that he be given dues for bringing Indian Cricket into man-hood.

    However, that does not mean you try to discredit other person's achievments. Why bring a nationality in conversation? How does it matter, unless you're deluged enough to think that was a conspiracy!

    That is George Bush style, Microsoft style (if you happen to read MSoftie's blogs).
    Can't prove your point, discredit the opponent!

    By Blogger Shailesh Mungikar, at 02:20  

  • tffy...Just dropped by back into the blog and saw this"The best cricket matches I have had the privilege to witness were in Barbados and Antigua in 1979, courtesy the Kerry Packer circus".

    Was Kerry Packer series played outside of Australia?? Just curious

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:23  

  • So Greg Chappell has started a fight to finish. If he is on his way out, he would go out not without delivering a few punches from his side.

    Clearly, the ego battle between Greg and Saurav is affecting the team. everyone (VVS, Harbhajan, Zaheer etc) are talking about negative issues in the dressing room. The dressing room is divided and poor Rahul Dravid is in fire fighting mode to save his reputation. One slip and he would be accused of creating a division for personal gain.

    A few people have already taken sides - Sehwag is one among the stars to be on the captain's side.

    This may not blow away as most other controversies as both parties are fighting it out in the open, in the media under its full glare. It is only a matter of time when one of them is chucked out. Whatever be the result, it is not good for Indian cricket. Saurav going out appears to be marginally better than Chappell going out at this stage.

    By Blogger vshan, at 02:23  

  • I bet what's going to happen is that GC might get chucked out, especially if stars like VS and HS rebel against GC in case SG gets dropped.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 02:26  

  • >tffy,
    >What does it mean?

    Simply, that Chappell is trying to make his point to power brokers whose principal claim to fame is membership of the Congress party.

    I have struggled hard to find out their educational qualifications. I am willing to bet $100 that at least one of them will fail to compute the average of three positive integers, even if allowed a slide rule, abacus, log table, and/or calculator.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 02:26  

  • > Was Kerry Packer series played
    > outside of Australia?? Just
    > curious

    Yes, they were played in the West Indies also. If you watched cricket on TV prior to the Packer era, every alternate over, you would see the view from behind the wicketkeeper. The batsman's "bum view" as Packer termed it. It required him to innovate and introduce a camera at either end of the stumps so you always had a head-on view of the batsman.

    You know I am so frustrated at the tortoise pace in international cricket. At long last in the ICC World Series they are proposing allowing on field umpires to consult off field umpires. It took them 100 years to introduce neutral umpires! And suddenly they introduce some untested theories in one day matches (super-sub decision made at the time of the toss). No surprise when it took the chairman of the committee that proposed the rule change 10 freakin' years to figure out how to play one day cricket.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 02:40  

  • Tffy..this chairman of the committee that u are referring to ne'er claimed that he was a great exponent of the art of one day cricket.But, if the governing body picks someone for the job,he is expected to deliver.Appreciate that the person in reference atleast has made an honest attempt.And he is not shoving down the changes and he is not solely responsible.It so happens that he is the chairman of the committee and IMHO the committee also had other 'clever' people.

    You are entitled to yr opinion.To each his own

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:48  

  • ok conspiracy theories aside who not wait and watch till the 27th? thats the day of reckoning. i think chappel should openly come out and say what he feels and so should ganguly. Sg should state clearly why he should be retained and Gc why he should eb sacked. anyways 2 people at the panel are supposed Sg supporters so its not liek he will not get a fair hearing. its funny to see the worlds richest board, the worlds 3rd best teast team in shambles due to absolute mismanagement, incompetence and ineptness.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:50  

  • some of you just tickle me...

    How dare an Aussie play the media game? He told the SG what we all knew...that he is not fit to be within a mile of cricket ground. SG promptly reports lets it slips to the media after scoring a scintillating century and the Aussie has to resort to damage control.

    Surely the Aussie is not allowed to lie to the media and mislead them in the middle of the tour? Surely the Aussie cannot hide his personal feelings to avoid further problems in the dressing room? He should come clean!

    His personal e-mail is leaked (most likely to be the BCCI's brainwave to stir it up) and now we cry foul. How dare an Aussie speak his mind and say the very thing every cricket fan in the world knows?

    The BCCI has a choice - red pill or blue pill?

    If you choose the blue pill, you can go back to the days of SG running horribly between wickets, plonking the bat in the crease instead of sliding it in, let the ball pass him every time it is it to him and then start jogging after it, and of course... pretend to bat against fast bowlers.

    You choose the red pill, then there is no more Ganguly and there is a new leadership with fresh possibilites.

    The problem (if any of you get the reference) the BCCI is distincly similar to Cypher.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:54  

  • jiet,
    well said.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:58  

  • Ravi n guys...
    To each his own... and here is mine..

    Gavaskar and Shastri r very good friends..have always been.. They are very smart guys too... They clearly know ( I won't say that they r planning it)..that SG time is over and he shud b going soon... BUT they r not saying it in public..
    The key point is ... They have not even critized GC yet...

    So, let the review time come... and they will be showing their true colours... Ganguly is his way out .... I dont expect SG and Shastri to go against GC ...afterall they were the ones who kinda picked him......


    Good for indian cricket... so I will b fine with that

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:02  

  • guys
    i want to commend all of you for actually having a great objective discussion for once rather thatn a pro Sg anti Sg slug fest.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:06  

  • > Appreciate that the person in
    > reference atleast has made an
    > honest attempt.And he is not
    > shoving down the changes and he
    > is not solely responsible.

    I agree with you in part. It was more stupid for him to be entrusted with this responsibility, and that wasn't his doing. Also, there could have been far worse choices than him.

    But we surely digress. I'll shut up now and watch the Dada Dalmiya Dandiya Raas.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 03:09  

  • This is whole wide and crude world.
    Some people you respect so much, can be absolute evil in their private life.

    And I have seen many an honest man screwing it all up.. for their kins..

    Some of my techers in school clearly favored their ward and went to any lengths to help them claim better than they actually deserved.. Mind you.. they all taught about sacrifices in indian history with beaming eyes..

    Ofcourse gavaskar is shrewd.. Ofcourse he was great.. But ofcourse gangly and Dalmiya pulled him(or he pushed himself in.. though result is the same) by doing him a favor by select his son in Australia... and a nation of a bilion just watched the unjustice haping to badani and many more of his ilk...

    Now the same Gavaskar.. Can he dare to speak anything that harms SG and Jaggu's interest...

    However he would definitely sound like an honest man and will try to show he is on the fence...

    He is not..

    A SOLD MAN NEVER CAN...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:11  

  • thanks K-slice...like you said we have to wait and see...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:12  

  • WOW....the series ended on an 'ok' note....the elections (and hence the appointment of selectors, the review, the new captain) looked to be taking some time.....and I thought there was some 'relaxation' time....then I wake up....and hit by this cement mixer of an issue :-)))

    but whatever happens, despite my personal opinions, I must say Jiet I liked this The BCCI has a choice - red pill or blue pill?

    By Blogger worma, at 03:18  

  • Gavaskar must be having many sleepless nights... I am sure...

    Many of us bribe people on airports.. but many of us donated money for mumbai floods too..

    Gavaskar was honest... and was thinking good... he selected Chappel..

    Did he know he will be in he hot seat to review the performance and decide between two men.. one he selected as coach in good faith.. and one he recieved favors from...

    But can he dare to drop ganguly... can he not fear a news on national TV... ganguly telling LP Sahi on national TV that Gavaskar met him and requested for the inclusion of his his inept son in the team.. and he talks about performance..

    So it all comes to who wins the BCCI election...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:18  

  • It sad that some people keep questioning about Chappell coaching ability and his dedication to the cause.Now lot of people talk about how Saurav was instrumental in bringing up Indian Cricketl.Unfortunately thats not the fact.John Wright had a major role to play.When he went to the net practise for the first time,the Indian Cricketers had tea and biscuits during the net session.He made the Indian team proffesional in their approach.So he has played a big role.Also Saurav makes it look as if he has always backed all the players.Fact remains otherwise.He recently made a statement that Laxman was one of the best batsman in the country and he didnt hae naything to prove to anybody.Coming from a man who was party to the decision not to pick Laxman every time for oneday squad its really surprising.Also he made statment about how Anil Kumble is a great spinner etc etc.Again he more than anybody failed to Anil so many times.Hence his statements are that of an man refusing to take responsibilty for his actions.As far as his batting form is concerned,please how much time does he want to regain hiS form?Unlike the likes of Yuvraj,Kaif etc he has come from county circuit.Yet in every match he has played,he has looked bad.Shane Bond admittedly has troubled many a batsman in his career.Even then one expected Saurav to show some fight and gumption.HE HASNT!!As far as ethics are concerned please Mr Ganguly ,we dont need to learn it from a man,who in the middle of a Test match made a statement that the coach asked him to resign.This after scoring a painstaking century against an attack which is worse than many in Indian Domestic Ciruciut.Me thinks Kerala has a better atatck than Zimbawe at present!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 03:19  

  • Hi:

    I think both pro SG and Anti SG fans realize that SG needs to improve his form and fitness -the only difference between the 2 groups being the pro group feels he deserves more chances and the anti group feels he has had enough. So I shall avoid the SG issue completely so that the pro and anti groups don’t have to discuss what has already been rehashed numerous times.

    Rather, my observation regarding this new email issue sent by GC is about change and change management. It is a well known fact in Human resource management as well as Org behavior that the biggest problems that managers /bosses / leaders have is in handling change and managing that change. Almost 3/4ths of bright, innovative, and effective ideas fail due to the failure of leaders to manage change –in effect get the employees or participants to buy into the new / proposed system. This requires time, convincing, and patience, which is why effectively managing change is such a vital part of leadership.

    The first point always emphasized in managing change is realization of the fact that some will be willing to try the proposed changes while some will drag their feet (at various paces) before buying into the new system. The second dictum is to be patient and allow employees /participants time to be convinced /get comfortable with the system –this includes, if required, personal interaction with individuals of the slow –to-adopt group and taking stock of appropriate feedback provided by this group. Only after all these steps fail, is disciplinary action (including firing) contemplated for disruptive elements.

    My point here is how effective is GC as a leader and his skills vis-à-vis change management and human resource management ? He is dealing with a team, which for 4 years was under a different management, and he is introducing new ideas. GC has been here for only a few months (2 short series effectively) – is that enough time to get a disparate group of individuals with their individual baggage onto the same page, especially people used to a different system prior to his arrival ?

    And how much time has he afforded the slow –to –adopt group (including SG and a few others since we have now heard the negative vibe and groupism comment from several different sources) ? For all his record as a great player and his reputation as an innovative, out of the box thinker & coach, has he really been a good manager in terms of managing change ? Has he displayed effective man management skills ?

    By firing someone / asking the person to quit (usually the last step as noted above) so soon after joining the team, isn’t GC being a little too impatient with things that usually take time ?

    Or is it that this is an all out ego clash which he can’t back down from ? And if so, how will this sit with the people he leads – to do a volte face after publicly kissing and making up ? How much trust or respect will this garner among others in the team ?

    I was one of the biggest supporters of GC being the coach of this team. Without absolving SG from his part in this saga, this new episode is giving me reason to pause and rethink the extent of GC’s skills.

    Does put an entirely new perspective on John Wright and his achievement. My admiration for JW went up a few notches.

    By Blogger kban1, at 03:22  

  • bulchee: Yet in every match he has played,he has looked bad : hmm...I must be watching the wrong channel then!

    But...I guess the issue in question now is not just Ganguly anymore...is it?

    By Blogger worma, at 03:24  

  • We should bring back Azharuddin as captain. His bodyguards can double duty to protect Flintoff (recollect that England tours India soon) and his Dubai based buddy has a history of negotiating with Sharad Pawar.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 03:27  

  • kabn1: very true indeed. You raise some of the right questions. Even I do agree that SG and his form is there to be debated, but now there is also a bigger question at hand. Reminds me of what Rohit Brijnath wrote in his 'million mutinies' article recently(I posted a link to that yesterday). Hmm...he seemed to have foreseen exactly *this* aspect coming up.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:28  

  • oops sorry that was for kban1.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:28  

  • I just cant understand one thing guys... help me understand...

    A captain who wins one out of some 20 odd finals.. how does it make him even an average captain...

    We mashed some minnows in recent past... we defeated people like South Africa who didn't even have a spinner... playing on indian pitches...

    We had an odd test vitory in every tour outside because Dravid/VVS/SRT or VS played some great knocks... and it had nothing to do with the CAPTAIN... I have never saw any strategy... guys never...

    And you know what our great captain is known for..

    A home victory against Aussies.. on the back of a superlative LAX/SRT/Dravuid and Bhajji(at that time) .. we won by a thres's margin.. and

    we were 93/3 ... and the match turned into a nightmare.. because our captain was a chicken... He just make ducks when we just need 10 runs.. 15 mins at the crease.. something of this meniality...

    The WC match against Pakistan. he made duck..
    Banglore test in this series against pakistan, he cant stay there for just 5 overs...

    He certainly has led us from the front... and he is mooning us now..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:29  

  • ty worma...always repected your opinions and enjoyed your level-headed analysis of all things cricket.

    Speaking of which, who do you think will stay?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:31  

  • hahahahahaha sunil well said
    hahahah. im almost pissing my pants with the mental image of Sg mooning us as a nation. too bad chappel has take aim and fired some buck shot into his ass.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:34  

  • Worma:

    Absolutely. You need to give time to people, SG included, a point I made in my rather detailed post earlier (open forum for the 2nd days play).

    In fact, JW showed a lot of patience and skills regarding effective team and change management - an example being (from bulchees post)how the team used to eat biscuits and sip tea at net sessions and he changed that. I just wish GC would have afforded players a little more time and patience.

    By Blogger kban1, at 03:37  

  • jiet...really tough choice dude. I think even if we throw out SG today.....there is still an issue to be solved. Even if we drop SG, even if everything else returns to normal, there would be something left behind. I dont think some of the players, the ones facing the stick...a little too early...are going to be 'happy' bunch...whether it comes out in media are not. This does not mean that these player are right...but in a team, you still need to nurture the talent...get the wrong thoughts in the mind ironed out...and then, only as last resort, through out the permanently faulty ones.

    Here is what Rohit Brijnath said in the above mentioned article Is it custom that players are not to be told harsh truths to their face? Maybe that should change. Maybe so should Chappell, understanding that he doesn't need to pamper his players but neither is anything gained by antagonising them. An insecure team is ripe for a million mutinies and wisdom is required with the whip.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:37  

  • My 2 cents,watever is his current form,we shud spare a thought for SG and refrain from humiliating him left and right.There's no denial that this guy has stood up for the country for last 5 yrs,I hope he deserves a better treatment,irrespective of he fits in or not.Its sad to see that the entire media is devoting so many pages everyday in bashing him up,I don't recall Ajhar going thru such humiliation,or as a matter of fact anyone else.I can't wait to watch Dravid/Kaif leading team india to a new height.

    By Blogger back2grave, at 03:40  

  • Worma: Yeah...this has the makings of a gargantuan mess.

    Anyways, I'm off to bed...later all.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:42  

  • yep jiet...dont expect this to be solved when you get out of bed in the morning :-)

    but you can still expect a fresh 'hit' first up!

    By Blogger worma, at 03:43  

  • kban1... how much booing the crowds need to do in order to mekyou understand that Ganguly has been given ample time... GC is the only one who needs to be given time to manage change..

    and What mutiny we are afraid of.. Zaheer Khan..

    I wouldnt keep him in the team for one second... for many reasons.. one .. he is an utterly bad bowler... and even if every one else is as bad... we need to try and even if we found all happen to be as bad... atleast many earned a bread...

    two... he is unlucky to get wickets( some odd reason some Ganguly often give about him.. he bowled well but was unlucky today..) I wouldnt keep him in the team just because he is a bad bowler and to top it all, he is very unlucky too..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:44  

  • I wonder how much of whatever has been said abt Sunil Gavsakar is true.

    My question is..why did he have to wait that long for SG and JD to do him a favor and pick his son...when...hold on...he could have done it when his brother-in-law was the chairman of the selection committee..Ah ...now I know...all we clever people would have identified the link instantaneously..It is a different matter that mediocre guys like Sujith Somasunder / Vijay Bharadwaj / Sunil Joshi and David Johnson got to represent India during G R Vishwanath and Kirmani's regime.Would it have been difficult to sqeeze in Rohan??

    Preposterous insinuations ...no base...like they say...All F**t and No S**t.

    Pardon the language.But,we do not respect our own people who have done enough and more to put India on the cricket map...but would bend backwards to claim that JW and GC are the best that could have happened to us....

    Hail the British...Till the next Gandhi comes along to claim independence from our Colonial hangover

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:48  

  • back2grave... what about the humilation that he is handing out to the whole nation. by telling us " I made 1000 runs in so many tests... I deserve to be in the team because i average such and such like Dravid..." Comon man.. one you are dishing out shit after shit with a bat in your hand. you cant field. the whole crowd boos you all the time... Its you who is humiliating us...

    remeber the maggi noodle jokes.. shane bond just overcooked it.. maggi jumped left, right, up and down and got burnt on the pitch..

    to top it all.. he say.. 1000 runs.. Does he really think we all are listen to radio.. and cant even read cricinfo statistics..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:53  

  • sunil nain:

    If you read my post, you will notice I mentioned here as well as couple of days ago, SG needs to perform if he wants to stay in the team.

    So I am not ure where you got the impression that I was advocating that he be kept in the team indefinitely. However, it is my personal opinion that he deserves a series against a quality opponent in tests to show whether he has anything left in him or not. If he succeeds he stays, if not, drop him. That is my personal opinion and I do not need the crowds applauding or booing to influence that.

    By Blogger kban1, at 03:56  

  • i bet ekta kapoor is going to come up with a soap inspired by the gc-sg conterversory.
    kyunki hum kabhi dost the

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 03:56  

  • Ravi.. It sucks to bring this colonial s..t just pump other up about the patrriotism.. Rohan gavaskar was not even a boy when the brother in law was the selecter in chief... do you need to tell me its the selecter selecting the captain and the team... wake up and smell the coffee...

    Its not the Gavaskar is bending backward to tell GC and JW is good... why is he bending backward.. is it such a big lie?

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:57  

  • SG deserves everything he's getting man. He's done a lot to bind the Indian team together, but it seems now he thinks it's his jaagir -- because he made it, it's his to do with what he will.

    Since it has to be one or the other, it should be SG who goes -- what does the Indian team (and i don't subscribe to this paraniod 'foreigner' BS, btw) gain if SG stays and GC goes? A team here players feel they can 'follow the leader' in faking injuries to get out of challenging matches, skip training routines and generally get away with continued non-performance?

    Replace the coach if you must (put madan lal in his place since you want to be so patriotic), but for godsake get rid of the captain!

    By Blogger indian_idle, at 03:57  

  • to follow up on my previous comment I remember about a week or so back BBC Sport asked the readers their opinion about gentlemanship in Cricket vs Football (Soccer) and the general consensus was that cricketers were better gentlemen than footballers, guess their opinion should change after the gc-sg issue.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 03:59  

  • kban1! against Pakistan you know the stats.. agaionst autralia, he chickened out at Nagpur...

    CHANCE! one more chance...

    whay didnt murli karthik not get a chance after being the man of the match in Bombay test against aussies...

    and what about Dighe.. he scrapped us through in Madras test against aussies when ganguly culdn't make a respectful duck...and got the GREAT CAPTAIN tag...

    and what about Amit Bhandari.. he didnt bowl that bad at perth.. why he is not there instead of Zaheer.. just a decent chance..

    What about gagandeep singh.. he was the best fast bowler in India in last ranji season.. MOST number of wickets at an avg of 25 odd.. what about giving him a chance instead of a Zaheer on whom people even bet that he is going to send a no ball next...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:04  

  • Sunil Nain..Get yr facts right.GRV and SMHK were in the selection panel 3-4 years back.Rohan is now 30.At 26 ,I'm sure he was qualified to play for India given that ...as you are so sure..Sunil was anyway bootlicking JD and SG for a place for his son in the team.And i have not attended any of the Selection Commitee / Board meetings nor do i have any connections in BCCI which you in all probability do for me to comment on who selects whom.

    And i don't intend getting into an argument with you on this.

    Dropping the topic.have fun

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:05  

  • .... bows in deep respect to Mr. Nain's penetrating insight, all-round perfection and balance in views, and healthy articulation...


    How do you do it Mr. Nain? Boost?

    By Blogger i, at 04:09  

  • Ravi.. cant resist this.. does anyone who follows cricket really believe that "with our batting line up", we happen to select Rohan Gavaskar on pure cricketing merit..

    If not, how did he get selected.. HOW... what might be the possible reason... what...

    And Let me tell you... Gavaskar defintely might have found it hard to resist..

    But lets say.. gavaskar is made selector now.. he might select his son... because he might not care anymore the way things are happenin in Indian cricket.. after all, shooting the messanger is routine in world and nobody care for truth...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:14  

  • @sunil nain...get ur english right dude,ur talking like a li'l punk....vent ur anger but do it with substance...talking bout ur 1000 run quote,I don't recall SG comparing himself to RD anywhere recently,unless and until this is another exlcusive leak...and pls don't get into Shane Bond,I guess,he has always proven a difficult customer with pace,and that includes RD and SRT....

    By Blogger back2grave, at 04:19  

  • ok i,
    i, as of now am in the same boat as you. i have finally attained nirvana. sit back and enjoy the nains of the world bashing Sg and others trying to defend our great captain. looks like fun, sounds like fun shit it is fun!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:24  

  • I am sure LP Sahi is going to write.. "How did GC dare to ask for a captain to step down when he just delivered us from 19 lengthy years of overseas defeats".

    or
    "Cricket is luck.. lara got dropped at 13 and made 401 .. world record.. while ganguly makes a flawless century and get us the so sought after overseas victory and all we got from a coach is.. 6 page long email to sack him.. from the laptops that we paid for.. from the man who lives on us.. who cant even be grateful enough for the endorsement he got to appoint as a coach for the most cricket mad country from the very same man.."

    Fox news might hire him.. he just need to apply...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:25  

  • Dear Mr.Grave, you should restrain yourself from chiding Mr. Nain. A mar with such X-ray vision and incomparable data analysing faculties cannot be faulted for having missed a few grammatical turns on the road of life.

    Dig?

    By Blogger i, at 04:26  

  • guys my son has broken half the keys of my laptop.. but cant slow down because of emotions..

    I am living abroad.. have to wake up mostly at nights during this maggi noodle style batting... and appear at work the next morning.. paid as much as dish network wanted always..

    but cant stand it anymore...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:28  

  • Mr. i - How are you today?

    By Blogger sri_n, at 04:28  

  • i Sitr!...tough times!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:29  

  • We, the Salvation crew of the clipper Nirvana welcome aboard Mr.Slice as second mate. We are all salivating at the prospect of a few thousands loosing perspective and seriously damaging unsuspecting plastic keyboards.

    Last call for Nirvana...
    Cast off!

    By Blogger i, at 04:30  

  • right said @i....sunil's analytics shows the way,maybe I shud start my morning with boost

    By Blogger back2grave, at 04:30  

  • Sunil...Leave aside Rohan's merits as a cricketer, if David johnson and Sujith Somasunder qualify to play for India,Rohan definitely has the credentials and the performance for his State team to merit a place.Draw up the parameters for comparison.Who did he replace?

    "i" A very "good" ;) morning to you

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:31  

  • Very well Mr. Sri. And you?

    Mr.Torch, I wouldn't call these tough times. Straight talking is always good. I only hope everyone continues talking straight. The troubles begin when three quarters of the people talk straight only half the time.

    By Blogger i, at 04:32  

  • Mr.i - You will rank alongside Sidhu for making the English weep at what you guys are doing to their language

    By Blogger sri_n, at 04:32  

  • Does anyone remember any significant contribute from you capatin in the one day series we played with Pakistan some time back. or even the previous one played in Pak... anything of note in Srilanka tri-series... even the Zim one day tri-series... ICC cup.. Holand matches.. anything... test series against austrailia... south africa.. anything that worth a foot note...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:33  

  • Nothing like Boost to boost data at all the right places to provide boost to one's analysis. As you see, I would have been a "good" experimentalist.

    By Blogger i, at 04:35  

  • I thought we speak better english than the english do!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:35  

  • Sunil..Cricinfo has all the info u asked for..Use Statsguru

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:35  

  • selective memory is dangrous mr. sunil!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:35  

  • 'i'...U have 'boost'ed the fun element in this blog.Cheers

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:37  

  • i agree with you..i Sir....but I am hating this public spat...that too on one of my all time fav players..with a silken off-drive!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:37  

  • Dear Sri, Sidhu, in my memory never made a single grammatical error. In fact, he was rather clever. His puns may have lost themselves on your humourless reef though. I weep for you.

    Mr Nain, I distinctly remember Mr. Ganguly regularly scoring 40's at reasonable pace in the 1-day series in Pakistan. However, I haven't drunk my boost, so my data is probably incorrect.

    By Blogger i, at 04:38  

  • Blwe..and the towering sixes too

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:38  

  • i,
    ui will jump off if you dont make me a joint captain.
    my position i\on clipper nirvana has to be
    high roller joint chief

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:39  

  • Ohh. Ravi.. you know what.. am I saying we should have selected David Johnson.. or whoever you are talking about... but I am saying that if you did a mistake of selecting anybody who does not merit a place one.. you are done as far as selecting the best team goes.. because once you asked others to compromise.. other will not be far behind in asking for favors.. as
    we will have to have Ganguly as captain for many more years to come...

    And I ask.. how does Abhijit Kale story gets done and over with.. and Kiran More.. oh Jaggu saved him too... hence Jaggu selects the board and the selectors and the team and the team manager and on and on and on...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:40  

  • Mr.i - I am humourless, but I am "amused" to see your defence of Sidhu. Keep it up!

    By Blogger sri_n, at 04:41  

  • Mr.Torch he used to be my favourite player too, more for his perspective - India winning comes first, everything else can wait or go hang. Of late, though I sense a dimming in that perspective, no doubt an effect of incredibly bright, sometimes incorrect and mostly negative media glare, and self-doubt. I hope he overcomes it, but not at the expense of India's winning. That is all the opinion I have.

    By Blogger i, at 04:42  

  • mr nain,
    do you have any inside scoops that you would like to share with us?? i have heard that kiran more is actually a lepricon and SG is a robot from mars.
    can you pelase verify?
    also i have heard from my relibale sources that GC actually was held captive and Sg has orchestrated this whole drama in a bid to rid us of this terrible plague of australian coaches.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:43  

  • Dear Sri, I admire your courage in admitting your shortcomings in full view of the World. But do tell me something that I don't know.

    By Blogger i, at 04:43  

  • So Mr Sunil...JD is the all pervading GOD.All wrongs are JD..All rights are ??

    And where may i in all humility ask for your sources on JD being the saviour of all evil doers

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:44  

  • Mr.i - I am humourless and you are the biggest joker on this blog

    By Blogger sri_n, at 04:44  

  • Mr. i- now you know it, but you may not admit it, just like SG.

    By Blogger sri_n, at 04:45  

  • Mr. Slice, you are already my superior as second mate, for I am but the humble cook.

    By the way, I would encourage your sources to get their facts right. From what I heard this was a joint conspiracy of Brazilian Amazonian women and the commie party chieves of China in their effort to begin world domination in cricket.

    By Blogger i, at 04:46  

  • has anyone considered booting Sg as a player, booting GC as a coach and the replacing GC with Sg as coach?
    while we are at it lets replace the BCCi with a totalitarian govet form.
    wait a second my reliable source told me we already have such a form of governance. never mind.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:47  

  • Mr. Sri, since humour is lost on your humourless ears, there is little to be said. Maybe, you will recover someday. Till then take two aspirins and don't call me in the morning.

    By Blogger i, at 04:48  

  • nope i you are wrong.
    my sources can never lie to me. but information i ahve just received is pointing at a more sinister plot.
    it seems this is a plot that has been orchestrated by the cia in an attempt to make sure we swith to baseball ASAP. please in the future get your facts right. besides whats up with this nast food we seem to get on our ship?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:49  

  • 'i'...and any ransom for release of GC goes towards building a mini stadium in Chinese Taipei..."mini" so that the Amazonian women do not have trouble hitting sixes..lest it leads to World War V

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:49  

  • get a life @sunil,I pity ur li'l son on the rationale u r imparting on him...catch some sleep and give ur thoughts a rest,we have had enough of humour for the day...

    By Blogger back2grave, at 04:51  

  • Ohh K-slice and you all.. leave that.. its what we all are..

    we all have evolved.. just like we didnt use the tail and we just happen to have a hint that we had it once.. it goes to the gene over time... Just like we are mediocre team all the time.. we all have got used to it... WIN IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT ANY MORE.. ITS THE GANULY'S GREATNESS WE SHOULD SUCCUMB TO.. and we have to find ways so that he can lead us to the path of sluggishness as he has always..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:51  

  • C'm on Mr.i, be a sport!

    By Blogger sri_n, at 04:53  

  • and Mr back2grave... I dont give a flying rats you know what to the greatness of your logic.. and leave the son alone... I dont intend to bring your dear ones here in the debate...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:55  

  • haha that is it guys. Office calls, and asymptotics are in the air. Catch you later sometime. But, it is true what Luciano Figaro head honcho of the Pampas Polo Players says: Nothing like someone else's shortsightedness to give the self X-ray vision.

    Peace dudes.

    By Blogger i, at 04:56  

  • Worma couple of things I want to point out.When I say every match Ganguly has looked bad,I am talking about the fact that he has not for a moment looked comfortable at the crease.A lot had been spoken about how Mohd Kaif batted slowly in the one day tournament receding the test series.However Ganguly was guilty of doing the same.Ganguly in his prime was fantastic against spinners ,and okay against quicks.He would invariably get off to average start and score heavily against spinners in the middle overs.This has been the pattern except a few knocks.However the player we see now is a mere shadow of that bastman.Lots of people have spoken about giving him time.The question is how much time.In the last 2 years there has been the odd good knock followed by absoloute mediocore performance.Even when he scored that century against Australia,his scores in the later part of the series was not great except gor that 75 in the third test if I am right.My point is very simple a good player is one who is consistent.Every player has periods when he is out of form.But you cannot call a prolonged slump as not being in form.In that case some erors have crpet in your game.Worse his over all fitness and fileding hasnt improved at all.The captain of the team has to be someone who shows the team the right path.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 04:57  

  • In parting, Mr. Sri, a sport is played by at least two people. You seem handicapped or, at least, badly trained, and I get bored easily. So, till the time you get good enough to play with big boys, I wish you all the luck.

    By Blogger i, at 04:59  

  • Well guys... looking forward to the exciting BCCI election where the charm is .. who is going to outdo the other in evil deeds...

    Lets hope its not more of the same atleast...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:59  

  • Mr. Nain, I don't think a flying rat would give too much for its ass either.

    By Blogger i, at 05:01  

  • i. nice observation...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:06  

  • Mr.i - don't bestow greatness upon yourself, be it in sports or knowing about "flying rats". Just remain what you are - a joker!

    By Blogger sri_n, at 05:06  

  • SC asking GC's opinion (which has triggered this crisis) is a bit like my my wife asking me how she looks in her new dress! Fact is, any answer other then 'beautiful' is not going to go down well with her.

    And no matter what, she will look again in the mirror, and try the next dress (but that's an entirely different matter, more complex then the Indian cricket)

    Why bother to ask I say?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:09  

  • This blog is getting so hotted up......Guyz chill...............

    For a mood change ...........look at what Sania can do to a chief minister :)

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/hkannan4/saniya11.jpg

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 05:20  

  • Wahi,
    I don't think that is the real trigger of all this... ( Obviously v don't know the whole truth as of now... and may never even know) ..it seems to be a genuine prob GC might already b having. If v leave out the batting form / ability of SG ... and just look at the plans GC has for Indian cricket.... SG's ways of doing things(read: skipping training sessions, coming late for the media briefing etc) might hv been the real trigger... Yes I agree.. it shud hv been handled differently ... but U see.. SG and GC r no family... and even the RELIABLE families have been doing the ugly things off late.

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:23  

  • How many would actually back GC? As for me, I'll back him and if he feels Ganguly is unfit to lead, then so be it. I'll respect GC for that comment. GC was hired to take India to the next level and we should give him all the support he needs, even if that means dropping Ganguly. If the coach doesn't perform, then the media and everyone will be gunning for his head. Let’s give him whatever he wants and wait for the results.

    I lost faith in Ganguly's abilities to lead the team to the next level, when he publicly confronted GC. That's very childish and amateurish. Also Ganguly has supported flamboyant players and the latest example of that is Yuvraj playing in both test matches. I would think Kaif is a better performer and great attitude.

    We should stop looking at his past performances and focus on building a team for the future. People like Kaif who aren't as elegant as Yuvraj, but have a very positive attitude should be part of the test team.

    Their will be lots of board politics going on and they will want both Ganguly and GC to iron out their problems. But I have a feeling GC will be frustrated and resign and that to me will be a sad day for Indian cricket.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 05:26  

  • Kansultant
    Dude! Great pic-made my day. The guy does look like the cat that got the cream doesn't he?!! :-))

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 05:26  

  • I think we should get Laloo Yadav to mediate on this whole issue and go in for a massive reshuffle. Lets not just think out of the box guys, lets just throw the damn box out and start afresh. I would go so far as to suggest that Sharad Pawar be made the new skipper, Ranbir Singh the coach and SK Nair be appointed chief Bishti or waterboy. Sourav can be made Ex-officio skipper or non-playing/performing player and granted a life membership of Team India. Also, lets give Jaggu his due and re-christen the team DCCC-Dalmiya Cements and Cricket Club.

    I could go on, but need to take a break and so am going to go see the SAnia Mirza-CM picture.

    Later folks!

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 05:34  

  • painfully sinstipe, you were going to call! what happened man? I am pained:-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:38  

  • Sh**!! Saurabh-apologies bud. A thousand humble pardons! Sister's wedding last week, lots of family here in London, some staying for much longer than I anticipated/hoped etc...Things should return to sanity next week. Lets get together for a beer then maybe?

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 05:47  

  • bulchee: without going back too much on the path I have 'renounced' :-)...here are some short answers to the points you raise...long answers are in archives...repeated many many times overs!

    When I say every match Ganguly has looked bad,I am talking about the fact that he has not for a moment looked comfortable at the crease. : What moment are you talking about dude? Atleast the moments I saw, except for Bond, he looked comfortable against every bowler. Before this triggers a spate..no I dont think looking comfortable is good enough reason to be retained in the team :-)...this is just my answer to a specific question.

    A lot had been spoken about how Mohd Kaif batted slowly in the one day tournament receding the test series.However Ganguly was guilty of doing the same. Which series? ODI series? I have no qualms with Kaif or Ganguly or anyone batting slow as long as it suits the match conditions. Read my posts during those times (even from SL series) and you'll know that I was generally in agreement with Indian approach to batting (even when ganguly failed...for those of you who may think I am trying to say this to make SG look good)

    Ganguly in his prime was fantastic against spinners ,and okay against quicks.He would invariably get off to average start and score heavily against spinners in the middle overs.This has been the pattern except a few knocks. Then you dont know him fully dude. His charge down the track to quicks(in ODIs) was a treat to watch! Again, this is independent of that fact that those days, that form, may return or not.

    However the player we see now is a mere shadow of that bastman. Yes. but thats why this whole debate, no?

    Lots of people have spoken about giving him time.The question is how much time. This is exactly where opinions differ. And mine, I've made clear many many times. Maybe for the last time(ohh how many times I've said this:-), IMO the value he can *possibly* bring as a player(esp ODI player) even if he gets back to 80% of his past peak (like SRT has done..playing at much below his peak) is worth the wait. For me, one more season.

    In the last 2 years there has been the odd good knock followed by absoloute mediocore performance. Well...this would be again going into the battle of stats....so lets leave it for now.

    Even when he scored that century against Australia,his scores in the later part of the series was not great except gor that 75 in the third test if I am right. So who scored two good big knocks in that Aus tour? Lax only, if I remember. Anyways, in that series they all(including SRT) were equally good and valuable to the team's collective achievement.

    My point is very simple a good player is one who is consistent. Every player has periods when he is out of form.But you cannot call a prolonged slump as not being in form. Yes...this is again a basic disagreement in such cases(in the past also). Some would say that the batsman is finished, others wud say he is just temporarily struggling. And there are enough past examples for both groups.

    In that case some erors have crpet in your game. Agreed. So?

    Worse his over all fitness and fileding hasnt improved at all. Agreed. Look at this fact independent of his form(for which we have a separate debate), and tell me...so what?

    The captain of the team has to be someone who shows the team the right path. Yes.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:49  

  • painfully, anytime.

    next Saturday good for you?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:58  

  • This is really sad. Some X person disclosed this news/email to the media intentionally. If GC meant it for the public he could have easily issued a written *statement*.
    Although nobody knows for sure whats in this 6page email, it is clear that SG shuts up his mouth now. Thats the best he can do. The problem is - after the *great* ZB bowling attack he has to face the 'SL, PAK and ENGLAND' and frankly he has no chance to survive till that series. So instead of 'flashing' his great avg. and great century, he better step down and concentrate on his batting. This will atleast make sure he is there in the final *12*.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 05:59  

  • Breaking news guys!!
    Ganguly is going to stand for the President of BCCI when the elections finally do take place. He has Dal mein mian kala's support. His first task as the President will be to terminate GC's contract. Then Zimbabwe and B'desh will start beating us. Who said Indians don't know about Ashes? GC has just started the Indian Ashes - buried Indian cricket with his I-wont-go-even-when-i'm-no-good attitude!!!

    By Blogger rambam64, at 06:01  

  • Saurabh- Will have to be after the weekend. Mid-week or the following weekend should work. Will call and/or email for sure. You're in Richmond right? I live in East Dulwich/Camberwell- so should not be a problem finding a mutually convenient watering hole!!

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 06:05  

  • midweek is no good as I am either in Mancheter or Italy. weekend after is fine. call/email me.

    cheers

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:07  

  • Manchester? Call the airline before-just been hearing on BBC that there has been a bomb threat there. The story sounds a bit hilarious, but the details are just coming in.

    By Blogger Painfully Sinstripe, at 06:11  

  • wow, just checking. But I drive (in fact came back last night)...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:30  

  • These in simple terms are the points I am making.
    a)Saurav currently is a pale shadow of the player he was.
    b)He would on his current fitness and fielding abilities considered below par(Unless running behind the ball to the boundary is considered Good fielding) for International Standards.Yes Worma you did mention that it was independent of his Batting form.But I dont agree with you.Your over all fitness plays a very large role in how well you perform.
    c)He is cuurently leading a team,which is not playing well and worse has a running fude with his coach.

    When I look at all of these I wonder if we can afford to continue giving hin chances.Yes Australia let Mark Taylor get away.Difference is Australia were winning even when he was not scoring.Also Mark Taylor was one of the finest slip fielders ever present.
    Would like to quote what GC has said in Rediff.
    "We need to very carefully think about the balance of the side both in one-day cricket and Test cricket. The administrators, selectors, the coaching staff and myself will have some decisions to make soon," he said.

    Chappell also made it clear to those who are groaning under his work load within the team that it would not get any easier from now on."There are some things which are non-negotiable. Fielding and fitness are two of them. Unfortunately, players would not find it any easier," said Chappell as he prepared to head for India after the African odyssey."Guys who are buying into it are going ahead and those who are not buying into it will find themselves by the wayside," said Chappell in a chillingly plain tone.

    Chappell said the pressure on the boys so far have only been in a controlled manner.

    "The pressure that we have applied is to find out those who have the character and the capacity to deal with what is required to be a successful team.

    "Some of the guys have struggled. Some of them have resisted the change. But if you want to stand up to the demands of modern game, you have to be able to back up day after day.

    "Over the last couple of months, everything we have done is to find out the players who have a way to go forward."

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:33  

  • seems like GC has developed the " I am God" syndrome. He wants to be an autocrat and rule everyone over. Happens when too much theory happens with very little practice. He probably looks at this whole exercise as a laboratory experiment and the indian team members as "lab rats". Dark ages ahead. (nothing to do with SG being around or not but my comment on GC's philosophy and his statements). For some reason, I see him in a robe, chanting 'mantra' and expecting the indian team to following him clanging bells wearing multi-coloured hats :-)). He seems to have some vision and has no clue that human beings are not so simple to deal with...

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:46  

  • kban - but how much time is needed? do we give the captain lots of time who happens to be a disruptive force in the dressing room, so that he can cause further trouble? I know Gavaskar and Ravi are strong advocates of ganguly being a captain, but have they actually been part of the dressing scene. Do they really know how SG's behavior might be disrupting the team dynamics?

    I read somewhere that SG didn't talk to Kaif for 3 days on the 1st test. SG never explained to Kaif why he was dropped? Come on chaps, what would SG say to Kaif? oh buddy you are going to sit out on this cause your past performance is not as good as Yuvraj's? And how would kaif respond - dont be so silly, your past performance isn't good either and am the man on form.

    A leader should inspire his team and take them to the next level. SG may have done it in the past, but he is not disrupting the whole scene by holding on to the captainship.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:47  

  • SG was never a great captain. Fans may pull out no. of wins and winning abroad etc. To me, SG is not a leader, he is a cheap politician.

    Glad GC mentioned it in writing. Even if he losses his job, he bought the point which is imp for immediate future of team.

    SG is black shadow haunting this team. Get rid of SG and YS, try some new players...team will start to click.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 06:48  

  • i think the people in trouble after SG are (1) VVS (2) Kumble (3) Zaheer (4) Sehwag (would GC DARE?) (5) Nehra.

    Some alternate professions for GC:

    (1) Principal of a strict boys' convent school where caning is allowed

    (2) A circus ring master

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:49  

  • ...(3) a TV evangelist if everything else fails!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:51  

  • bulchee when I said fitness is independent, I meant the discussion is independent of form (because even when his form was good, he was never fittest or fastest....and even today...if he comes back to peak or close to peak...no-one would question his fitness very seriously....boss perfection in fitness etc is good to target, but if the guy is winning you matches with bat and ball, then there is not much you can question)

    But, yes the issue of the times, as you mentioned is Chappel. So...going by the hints we have been gathering (for no-one knows if and when, and in what form the full truth will come out) do you think we are, at this point, only facing a Greg vs Ganguly issue???

    Sure, GC has said all that in his interview, and there is hardly any doubts about his intentions. But, if you are in corporate environment you would know this, have you never seen people with good intentions failing? Planning, or putting the right intentions in place, is a small aspect in cricket/team management (for in cricket the planning part is limited to getting the basics right, atleast in the inital phase...and even that is good enough to cross many hurdles)..the bigger aspect is the execution. So GC has the right intentions, maybe the right plans....but lets see if he has the right execution strategy?? Ofcourse, even this is very widely open....no way we can draw conclusions yet.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:51  

  • mock
    arent you being slightly ridiculous matre?
    you appoint a coach and then when he points out the obvious you bitch at him and call him a task master, an autocrat, a ring master etc. i have always nbeen and still am of the opinion that SG should voluntarily give up the damn rock around his neck called captaincy and respond to all such criticism in the manner he responded to sri lankas taunting at taunton during the WC in england.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:54  

  • Seedhi ungli se ghee nai nikli to ungli tedi karni padthi hai......

    Our players deserve this shock treatment and hopefully this would get them out of their comfort zones

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:56  

  • k-slice, it is not about SG but my opinion on GC based on his vision, mission and statements in general.

    feel feel to find me ridculous ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:57  

  • feel FREE, i mean.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:57  

  • K-slice..What is this taunting at Taunton?? Interesting...Can u share this

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:59  

  • It's time for SG to go and let the Pied Piper of South Australia take the Indians to wherever he wants to.Are we guys ever satisfied? When GC was appointed following a panel and inetrview process, everyone hailed it as a big step and now since he has called a spade a spade in a confidential manner and it's out in the public domain, suddenly he becomes the villain and people are lining up behind SG. Simple fact of the matter is "Time's up for SG - his past contributions can't be forgotten; but presently he is a liability. remember what happened to the Waughs, Healys, Boons of Australia? get on with life and without SG. Let us support GC for atleast two more series before calling him names.

    By Blogger rambam64, at 06:59  

  • mock dont take it personally dude. i still see this is as a nostalgic gathering for supporters of gangulys captaincy at times. dude i wish people would see the value of SG as a batsman and just that and fuck all this captaincy talk. who cares if he isnt the captian as long as he is smashing people for sixes. i for one dont.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:01  

  • As an aside....for all things that are favorable, we take Aus / Eng/US as examples.But when it comes to very practical things like traffic and road rules,we do not want to adapt from the rest of the world. Double standards?? or are we expecting too much??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:03  

  • Unfortunately he is not in his peak form.As far as winning matches with his bat and ball is concerned,Worma today cricketers have to be fantastic athletes,irrespective of their bating talent.Even more in the case of team like India which has inconsistent bowlers.One reason New Zealand despite their limited talent have done well is because of their fantastic fielding.So I would expect him to field well also and so shld u:-).Also what bothers me is that we have tried both Indian and foriegn coaches,but our team has never played to its full potentail.Worse it mada even a man as passionate as John Wright to a cynical man.Its high time we stop blaming the coaches.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 07:05  

  • Good point Ravi.

    We seems to view our cricket in isolation (as if the ills of mismanagement are confined to that body only).

    The sad truth is things suck big time in India, be it the way cricket is run or the traffic and road rules, as you pointed out.

    The mindset of the whole nation has to change, and it's not going to happen over night...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:10  

  • bulchee, who said he is in peak form, if you want a discussion, then you should listen to the opposing arguments as well! I also agreed that targetting perfection in fitness is good, but there is probably a limit to what each individual can achieve, and looking at fitness as a stand-alone virtue is not good enough. SG should be fit (and so should VS, ZK or all else who may have problems with GC's regime...but then there should be a realisation of what max they are able to achieve in terms of fitness, and look at it along with what they bring...as a whole...to the table). So if Kaif is the fittest guy in the team, he still has to earn his place through performance in the his main aspect of sport (batting or bowling).

    Fitness is just a 'supporting' instrument in achieving the best possible results in the game....so whatever needs to be done to maximize the performance, and increase the consistency of a Sehwag or a Ganguly or whoever....that should be done.

    Yes there are others who are better fielding teams than us, but we are better than *some* of those in batting bowling. Fielding and fitness is also a natural thing....needs to be 'inside' the player...and also needs to be nurtured in the social surrounding during the development phase.....just like batting or bowling. You cannot expect NZ batsmen to face a regime saying they should become wristy like Indian batsmen...or fleet footed in the crease...or some such thing. Note, I am not saying they would not work towards improving their batting, but merely implying there is a 'limit' to which 'improvement' happens. Depends on what the *base foundation* is before you start building the tower of improvement on it.

    Yes we all expect him to field ;-)...and not run with the ball to the boundary.

    Who says GC is wrong....I still said we need to be open to observation...and watch....but there are SIGNS.....we should not ignore them just because we were the ones who chose him in first place. And dude, why this question of Indian foreign coach etc.? Are you answering me? Then how or when did this come up?

    And lets not go into John Wright....we know very small bits....that he was a good coach...had his differences with certain players...thats all.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:18  

  • and for those of you who haven't seen this latest GC interview in rediff. Good to see this in light of the current situation (although it must've been given just after game end). And its from Ashish Shukla, but thankfully most of it is Chappell speak :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:26  

  • k-slice, i have nothing to say about SG but i am a bit irked by the manner in which GC talks. "either you are with me or you are out" language. that's not how you manage people and instill team spirit. yes, GC seemed a good choice based on his reputation but aren't we entitled to change of opinions or doubts after some exposure?

    and i dunno, i saw him read that statment professing utmost respect for SG and all that and then THIS? reeks of hypocrisy. at least he should have cut out the hyperbole in that statement.

    anyway, interesting times ahead and hope indian team is not the true loser.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 07:27  

  • Yes Worma I do read your comments and do understand that.So when you say SG has scored hundreds against fast bowling ,I did agree to that.So when you say that there is also a limit to how fit you can I fully agree to that.However the fact remains that we havent reached the fitness levels reached during 2003 WC.And please I am not asking them to jump through a ring of fire.All that I am asking is get fit and play to your potential,which they are not.As far as we being a b better batting team and bowling team is concerned I am sure our results against Pakistan,Australia and SriLanka have proved how good our batting and bowling is concerned!!As far as foriegn coaches is concerned I am asking your opinion what do you think about the whole concept.See I would love to have a Indian as a coach.Somebody like Chandrakant Pandit,Robin Singh I am sure will do a good job in the future.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 07:36  

  • mock,
    i honestly beleive that the whole respect thng was purely to ensure that that controversy died out and the players could concentrate on their game. one way out, although impossible to achieve, woul dbe to have a live telecasted interaction of SG GC and whoever has been chosen for the meeting on the 27th. that way no one can come out and say they did not get a fair hearing.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:36  

  • http://us.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/23greg.htm

    read this too and it becomes obvious what he is talking about. he is a professional and has a reputation to preserve i am sure wright took lot of shit from our starts chappell will not. if they want a coach and he is to blamed for failures our guys need to listen and follow instructions.
    i love chappell
    i love chappell
    i love chappell
    the man has balls...now we have to seen our enuch board has any

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:41  

  • bulchee
    guys like pandit and robin singh are good coaches i am sure but in a country like ours were worship heroes to the nth degree do you think this stars ass holes will listen to a coach like that.
    for the coach like robin singh to carry weight they need a say in lot of things which board and current circumstances dont provide...i also like singh and sundeep patil etall but our stars will not listen to them

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:44  

  • bulchee, now after reading your comments, I think I can agree with you..without changing any of my opinions expressed so far :-) As to coach's origin...hey whoever is the best suited...I dont give a damn Indian or foreigner....usually its commonly known that while Indian coaches(or past players turned coaches) are good enough in the cricketing skills...they sometimes lack enough knowledge of modern tools and advancements in coaching techniques etc...but still, anyone who has this ability should be taken. If GC has been selected on these, let him have his go.

    And I dont know about Robin Singh and Pandit to comment. But few things are for sure...One, that what they or anyone else did on field (yes even while captaining, or while fielding or showing cricketing brains in any way) is not enough to judge the capacity to coach a top notch international side.

    Second...that achievements in coaching domestic teams, U19, A sides etc should also be seen with the right filter. These assignments do not come after undergoing the same tests and challenges as those in international circuit. For example...these teams are not facing as tough challenges...not same amount of tours or tournaments...not same kind of planning against them....not same focus or publicity or media pressures....they dont have same level of approach to preparing for games etc.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:47  

  • What I find amazing about GC for all the hoopla about his skills (yet to be proven)is that he couldn't work with what wihe has got.

    In fact if he complains about SG it only shows his inability to lead and control strong personalities (which is what is needed to win). Somehow we don't want to put him under the microscope - why?? The usual Firang subservient attitude? I thought India broke those shackles or is that only window dressing.

    GC cannot throw the baby out with the bath water, because you will lose talent - this is not what teams with flair are made from. This is not the Soviet Union where you were literally cloned, doped and made into an athelete. We need some character too.

    By Blogger LAWRIE, at 07:48  

  • Ya when you say thats true.Whats dissapointed me is that no domestic team has comeout and improved the standards of the game.In England Surrey the way they played cricket in the 90s played a major role in bringing a culture change in England cricket.Wish Maharastra does that now that they have Darren Holder and Pandit invloved and force other teams to improve.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 07:53  

  • bulchee even Rajasthan association appointed Bob Simpson as long term advisor, Derek Simmons for their junior setup and are looking for a good coach. Lets hope all this is not brings more value than just big names associated with the same run-of-the-mill state of affairs.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:58  

  • Lawrie its not called as Firang subservient attitude.Its called my a** is always better than yours attitude!!Kaif ,Yuvraj,Pathan,Dhoni have shown marked improvement in their performance in the matter of 2 tournaments.The bowlers bowled 16 noballs in the first test.In the second test hardly any!!Kaif performance they all speak of improvement!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 08:00  

  • Folks..this a Dalmiya Coup.......Board meeting adjourned for two months....

    http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/23meet.htm

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 08:00  

  • Lawrie
    Your comments on GC is very awry. SG is an adult not a school child who can be threatened to be punished. The coach can only put his points forward. if as an Individual you dont hear to it what can he do. For example Your parents say dont smoke or drink , But do you hear that no You go behind their back and do this. Does that mean to say that you parents do not know how to control you or it means that you dont know what is right and wrong? Decide for yourself.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:01  

  • Tomban I agree with your views. BCCI has to be run by professionals inorder to take Indian Cricket to the next level. We need to be ruthless like CA who axe players for non performance. There has to be only one thing the Board should consider for selecting an individual
    PERFORMANCE
    PERFORMANCE
    PERFORMANCE

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:06  

  • One thing I am dead sure of GC will make IP the allrounder much needed by India and will turn this team into a professional outfit.

    All this provided he gets his way

    By Blogger Akshay, at 08:08  

  • Ravi
    You have point abt the examples. But the Indian tendency is that take whatever suits you not what is right. Unfortunately we as people have grown to accept that too. As tax payers(Well How many pay) do we raise our voice? As the dialogue goes in the Movie Mudhalvan We as poeple blame the gvt for our problems but who is to be blamed for this its teh people again.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:08  

  • sriram - That should include Performance by the selectors as well. If they keep up with the policy of selecting the captain first and then the team, its not gonna get them anywhere.

    By Blogger Akshay, at 08:09  

  • Akshay thats the reason I said BCCI should be run by professionals not politicians or industrialists

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:11  

  • Well said

    By Blogger bulchee, at 08:11  

  • sriram - exactly the point I was making yesterday. It should be run by pros who know a fair bit about cricket as well.

    By Blogger Akshay, at 08:12  

  • tombaan,
    knowing our eunuch board both SG and GC will stay on and this will conveniently be forgotten in a week or two till it blows up again!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:13  

  • I would say the selection should comprise of people from the pool of ex players
    Dilip Vensarkar
    Kris Srikanth
    Ravi Shastri
    Kapil Dev
    Mohinder Amarnath
    Kirmani

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:18  

  • Oh Add sandip patil to that list too

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:21  

  • Wot abt Sanjay Manjereker and Robin Singh ?????

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 08:24  

  • Good choices Kansaltunt. You are thinking after all (Just kidding mate no offence)

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:27  

  • what about a selection comittee to select them ? :P

    By Blogger worma, at 08:28  

  • Worma
    At the most I feel we need only 3 selectors the remaining in that list can ru(i)n the BCCI

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:33  

  • normally the board would have denied getting any email....they would hae said something like "i havent checked my mail today....i can comment until i do that !" blah blah....but this time mahendra openly accepts that he recieved an email from GC and contents are confidential ( yeah rite!)....this seems very fishy to me. Why do they choose this time not to deny like they always do? I figure the BCCI themselves ( or rather JD- Mahendra group ) leaked it to the media. And obviously had to do with the board politics (with the elections et al ).

    From next series on pick a captain for each series by lucky draw and do the same for the coach!

    By Blogger cartan, at 08:35  

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