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Wednesday, September 28, 2005

More leaks

Just when I thought it was all over, here comes another inside story on the review meeting; this time, the source is 'one reviewer who was present at the meeting'.
"It's rubbish to believe that Chappell is quitting. It is also absolutely wide off the mark to believe that Ganguly has gained ground and Chappell has been slighted," said the member.
The member asserted that if the committee had made public its disposition either in favour of Ganguly or Chappell, "the next few weeks would have whipped up extreme public reactions in favour or against the two gentlemen and it would have meant disastrous preparation ahead of the visit by the Sri Lankan team.
"As things stand today, the ball is in Ganguly's court. He would be under pressure to perform in the next two series. If he does well, Indian cricket will move forward. If he fails, even then a new chapter in Indian cricket will take place," said the source. The source admitted it's now a "fight-to-finish" battle ahead for the tenacious Indian captain.

Interesting, that this member of the review committee believes that now the preparation for the two upcoming series will be first rate, thanks to this temporary patch-up.
Meanwhile, Chappell has received an important "thumbs up" for his man-management skills from a member who toured with the Indian team in Sri Lanka in July-August. "It is distressing to see that Chappell is being portrayed as some kind of control-freak in relation to team members. From my Sri Lanka experience, I can safely say that he was most open and honest with team members and encouraged everyone to speak their minds," said a member of the team management on the Sri Lankan tour.
"He has been encouraging everyone to develop their own rationale. It's just not six-hat theory and all. I find it amazing when I read that he is stifling to others because my observation was exactly the opposite."

Said member did not tour to South Africa? Should narrow the options down more than somewhat, no? But more interestingly, who do you suppose the member of the review committee is who spoke to Outlook? My money is on Ravi Shastri -- the arguments, and the language, sound very him. What's the odds, peoples?

177 Comments:

  • Who knows if it was even a committee member who said all this -- for all you know, it might have been some sidekick, and the paper is saying it is a committee member to gain more credibility.

    This is masala media we are talking about. No ethics and morals here.

    What are the odds that the whole convo is made up?

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 14:24  

  • Does sound like Shastri.
    Re: Challenger, do you think pace bowlers will test SG with short pitched stuff? Of course only Kumble has the pace to do so (:-)but I doubt if Pathan, ZK,AN, Balaji will try and discomfort SG. He can sleepwalk thru it.

    By Blogger jat_in_ny, at 14:26  

  • I also find it strange that the GC email got leaked on the day of the elections.

    Everything in this whole drama seems fishy.

    Email gets leaked on the day of the elections.

    Coach comes out of the meeting silent-- not a word to say despite, at least to the public eye, being discredited. He seems content.

    Missive is sent in the form of email -- one form of communication where a leak is difficult to obtain, and if done, relatively easy (as compared to other modes of communication) to trace.

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 14:28  

  • absolutely Prem!! on the money there!! Shastri was the only member in favor of GC and here comes the support for GC. no wonder the member is not willing to give any brownie points to SG especially after SG publicly said that the selection of the Asian XI shud be done by proper selectors and not some former test cricketer. SG and RS definitely do not get along!!

    By Blogger Mayur, at 14:31  

  • yes it must be Mr. "Hai Hai" Shastri :-) Never speaks much sense - thinks that being aggressive means being right. Well his career speaks for him !

    By Blogger niti, at 14:36  

  • it is Shashtri!!

    By Blogger saum, at 14:41  

  • Doesn't matter who it is. What is heartening is SG is always going to be under tremendous pressure to perform and get results. Frankly speaking, this whole episode has lightened pressure on GC. Even if India keeps on loosing, people will blame SG and not him for it. "He already said sack SG"

    Also If India wins, it will be because GC created a pressure situation for everyone to perform by this whole episode.

    This is GC's masterstroke guys.

    By Blogger J, at 14:48  

  • It has RAVI Shastri written all over it and he is damn right here. Chappell wouldn't have stayed for a minute if he felt humiliated by the whole process. Media/fans can say whatever they want, evntually Chappell is going to be the winner here, because Ganguly aint getting his form back.

    Just wait till the next tournament and Ganguly will be embarrassed even furthur. I anticipate an announcement(STEP DOWN from Captaincy) from him in next couple from him. If he doesn't then a sacking is not too far.

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 14:50  

  • Hi prem,

    visiting blog after long time.and having tons of reading here.

    couple of stories from IE.....
    one question for you, how you rate Venkat as member of such commities??dono much about him except his umpiring.

    http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?type=ei&content_id=55544


    http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=78988

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:56  

  • What does it take for the government to ask the BCCI to shut down and make cricket a Ministry of sport territory? A national referendum? A small whisper in Sonia's ears that doing this would ensure Congress's success in the next general elections? I am not saying that the govt will do any beter a job, but at least we will get some rules, some transparency, hopefully new faces (sick and tired of looking at mugshots of that gila monster).

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:57  

  • I think SG is very smart and has already thought about correcting his mistakes during the upcoming series and prove everone wrong.

    1. Batting : He is going to bat right handed. This will confuse the bowlers to such an extent that they will fail to bowl nagging off stump line or short pitch to him.

    2. Bowling : At least two underarm balls per over and then point to GC as an example.

    3. Fielding : To counter the allegations of him being a pathetic, lazy and slowest fielder (same or worse than nehra and kumble ) he will stand at 4th slip. That way he can always blame a dropped chance on third slip or gully and if ball goes behind, he won't be the only guy responsible to run after it.

    By Blogger Rahul, at 15:05  

  • is it Balaji?

    By Blogger Prakash, at 15:10  

  • Prem,
    as you have the part of the text on Front, why leave this important piece out? Just to keep balanced reporting. Not as serious as Laxman incident but still, who do we have in Sheep's clothing in our dressing room?

    'It is learnt that the only time Chappell was caught off-guard in the meeting yesterday was when Ganguly flushed out two e-mails which the Australian had written to journalists and in which he had portrayed a poor picture of the Indian captain.

    Ganguly apparently wondered if it did not imply indiscipline or impropriety on the part of the coach to have shown his own captain in such a poor a light.'

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 15:11  

  • Prem,
    Does the Revealer gets paid a lot for this type of info or this is more of a Bartering ? for some future consideration.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 15:15  

  • Ahh ... we've got a new nail for the dada-heads to hammer - Ravi Shastri. Let the smear campaign begin Or has it begun already?

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 15:15  

  • If emails were written to journalists, why are they not published yet?

    Prem, please get hold of those emails and publish them. I do want to know more about our great SG.

    By Blogger Rahul, at 15:17  

  • I found this part interesting. Obviously Ganguly prepared for the whole thing as if it were a campaign , and not a 'revies ' or an 'assessment'

    " It is learnt that the only time Chappell was caught off-guard in the meeting yesterday was when Ganguly flushed out two e-mails which the Australian had written to journalists and in which he had portrayed a poor picture of the Indian captain. "

    By Blogger Adi, at 15:19  

  • I found this part interesting. Obviously Ganguly prepared for the whole thing as if it were a campaign , and not a 'revies ' or an 'assessment'

    " It is learnt that the only time Chappell was caught off-guard in the meeting yesterday was when Ganguly flushed out two e-mails which the Australian had written to journalists and in which he had portrayed a poor picture of the Indian captain. "

    Just this one incident just points to the fact that its going to be difficult for SG n GC to work together.

    By Blogger Adi, at 15:21  

  • One good news - Indian under 19 defeated Aussie under 19 by 4-1. And One leggie is performing consistently in that league. He should be playing for UP this season and need to be watched out for. I wouldnt mind if Selectors pick him for Challengers.


    "The Uttar Pradesh leg-spinner (Chawla took 3 wickets) was especially impressive as he displayed his full repertoire of skills - the leg-break, googly and flipper - to keep the batsmen at tenterhooks."

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:23  

  • Why did GC write abt SG and probably the team to some journalists?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 15:23  

  • If emails were written to journalists, why are they not published yet?

    >>You think all the stuff PP and his like are quoting from reliable sources comes from Heaven?

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:24  

  • Any reports for over 33 team? Can we fit SG there?

    By Blogger Rahul, at 15:25  

  • I think the "said member" could be team manager for the Sri Lanka tour Sanjay Jagdale.

    I went through the team list and no senior player who can be part of the management, did not go to Zim at one point or another.

    By Blogger mangesh, at 15:27  

  • My money on Shastri....what I find surprising is too many people have commented on the strategic information leaks on the part of the Ganguly camp, but not too many question how the ball was set rolling:the mysterious senior spinner revealing the sordid details to a section of the media, the coach choosing to voice his grievances to a TC commentator rather than in the dressing room and so on.As I mentioned earlier, now that its the Mumbai Mirror from amchi Mumbai that divulges the contents of Ganguly's rebuttal, shouldn't people step beyond the "unholy" coterie of Kolkata journalists who act as Greek Chorus to Ganguly's lead?

    What pisses me off is that there are people crawling out from all over the woodwork to bury an axe in Ganguly.What is more galling is this time they actually have grounds:

    If only the man wasn't such an abject f**k up on current form!

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 15:39  

  • Prem,

    Day-by-day, it is becoming more difficult to digest what's happening in India Cricket, but as always we are great survivors!

    I don't know what happened in that review meeting but I can guess:

    I have no doubt that the review committee must have found SG (of course Sourav Ganguly, not Sunny Gavaskar) guilty of all the charges pressed by GC. Nevertheless, as in our Indian Culture, we are afraid of being direct and give too much importance to one’s dignity, the review committee must have come to the conclusion that they will give Ganguly one more chance (to step down) after next couple of tours. And if he denies to quit, then he will be removed.

    On GC’s part, he honestly wants to improve the Indian Cricket. He must have thought, there is no way that Ganguly is going to improve (performance wise), which will automatically result in his removal from Captaincy as well as Team... with patience for next few weeks, the cause of most of the problems will be uprooted. That’s the only reason, GC must have agreed to continue as Indian coach and keep mum about what happened in the meeting.

    On SG’s part, he must be happy to see that he is getting a chance to retain his place and captaincy. Instead of being stripped off in front of public, now he can put in some hard work and try to retain his place. Otherwise, he will exit on the basis of poor form ONLY.

    Therefore, whatever happens, the story will have much softer ending... though they totally ignored how to get along during coming few weeks.

    Everybody gains somehow!?

    By Blogger Jack, at 15:50  

  • Yes Mr. ""Hai Hai" Shastri for the over 33 team. He hardly performed for the < 33 team !

    By Blogger niti, at 15:57  

  • Do we agree on the following?

    1.GC has the best of intentions for Indian cricket.
    2.As such, the "proven" inaccuracies in the e-mail can be diregraded on the grounds that "ends justify the means".
    3.Bad form or complacence (I'm sure I spelt it wrong!)or sheer bloody mindedness has made SG the very destabilizing influence on the team he is credited with removing in the past.


    Just curious to know!

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 16:01  

  • Niti,

    Please remove that 007 from your nick. I'm a big SG fan and "007" reminds me of Shane Bond and just like SG it scares the hell out of me.

    By Blogger Rahul, at 16:03  

  • Hey oldman...

    LOL on that last comment about Ganguly's form.

    But therein is the key. I know I have had several posts lambasting Ganguly. But at one point I was a Ganguly fan too. At his prime, he was arguably the best in ODIs. It is hard to forget the sight of Ganguly dancing down the track to the likes of Shaun Pollock (who was still a force to reckon with then).

    But all good things come to an end. Ganguly, of late, has been worked out by the opposition. So much so that his batting against spin has suffered too. It is difficult for him to get back to his old self. But for his sake and the fans too, I hope he does well and goes out on a high.

    By Blogger Bala, at 16:06  

  • I guess I am new to this, but why is Ravi against Saurav ??

    By Blogger Himappa, at 16:07  

  • Prem,

    I have been a regular visitor to ur blog. I have just penned down my take on the recent spat between SG and GC. I would appreciate if u wud drop by and give ur views on it plzzzz at
    http://whoisane.blogspot.com/

    By Blogger Rohan Kumar, at 16:07  

  • bala,

    If you are a real SG fan they pray for him to fail. Because if he manages to do well, there is no way he'll retire, instead he'll take his shirt off as soon as he reaches a milestone and throw it towards GC.

    He has gone beyond sympathy. "You know, I was asked to step down before this game...." with a smile on his face and keep talking about that rediculus 100 shows that the party is over for him.

    By Blogger Rahul, at 16:16  

  • Rahul -

    I agree that what you say will be the most likely outcome. Too bad. But there is always hope.

    By Blogger Bala, at 16:19  

  • Here's a quotable quote from Jaywant Lele, the man just loves the tatste of his foot ;)

    "Tell me, is Chappell a fool to write a six-page e-mail?”

    For more... http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?content_id=55544&headline='Is~Chappell~a~fool~to~write~a~6-page~e-mail?'

    By Blogger GiNa, at 16:34  

  • One of the articles mentioned that on the issue of leaked email where GC accuses that SG cannot handle pace bowling, he got emotional and said, "what will public think of me?"

    Well, all public thought was there was some official at that level who finally shared their view "AS IS" and did something about it.

    By Blogger Rahul, at 16:36  

  • I also read in another form about VVS's negative vibes:

    when vvs went to bat, it seems that a few of the team members asked him to come out asap. Also shouted the same when he was batting. that is a yuck.

    By Blogger G285, at 16:44  

  • Prem, from your posts in the last 2 days I have a feeling that you got some (inside) information that has made you very unhappy with GC. Is this a fair assessment? What's up?

    By Blogger blueboy, at 16:44  

  • Rahul:
    I can hardly say anything abt your name. tho'it reminds me of 'the Wall'. so u shd not be scared of 007 !!

    By Blogger niti, at 16:54  

  • Did Ganguly lie? looks like it. More insight into why Greg Tossed and more info on Tennis elbow. Read this in another forum

    http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1245939.cms

    By Blogger G285, at 17:08  

  • FROM THE ADVERTISER


    Chappell 'spot on'
    By RICHARD EARLE
    29sep05

    FORMER Test batsman Greg Blewett has defended Indian coach Greg Chappell as a scrupulous man undermined by a "hard to work with" captain - Sourav Ganguly.

    An email sent by Chappell to the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), submitting that Ganguly was divisive, out of form and unfit to lead India, was leaked to the media this week.

    Ganguly and Chappell were instructed to embrace a truce after appearing individually before the BCCI - a move Blewett labelled as "a nothing decision".

    "I don't think Greg will hang around just to make everyone happy," Blewett said.

    "I think he'd be fairly frustrated with that outcome."






    The 46-Test star is adamant Chappell won't tolerate an untenable situation.

    "Greg was appointed to take India to a different level," said Blewett of Chappell, who succeeded Kiwi John Wright on a two-year deal in June.

    "Greg's a man of principles.

    "If he finds he can't work in a certain environment, something has to happen. Ganguly goes or he goes."

    Ganguly, boasting an Indian record 21 Test wins as skipper, made his first century (101) in 20 months during the first Test against Zimbabwe in Bulawayo this month.

    The 33-year-old subsequently revealed Chappell asked him to relinquish the captaincy before the match, starting a media frenzy.

    "It is alleged in cricket circles that Sourav isn't the easiest guy to work or get along with," Blewett said.

    "I think Greg's email was spot on. I could see it happening before my eyes."

    Blewett "completely refuted" renewed criticism of Chappell as a poor man-manager, first levelled in December by disgruntled former SA paceman Paul "Blocker" Wilson.

    "Blocker was a different character that some said was pretty selfish," he said.

    "He (Wilson) didn't see eye-to-eye with Greg. Greg didn't put up with his manner and that's maybe why he has come out and said what he has."

    SACA general manager Harvey Jolly said Chappell, SA coach from 1998-99 to 2002-03, deserved credit for shaping SA's fruitful youth program.

    "From our perspective Greg set things in motion which we are seeing the benefits of now," he said.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 17:19  

  • I think everyone should take a hiatus from reading all that the media is dishing out. Obviously the media is in a tizzy over this issue and the journos are tripping over themselves trying to dig out the juiciest details from "well placed sources" (who's to say whether they are actually speaking to anyone at all). Thus all the contradicting reports notably the one about Ian Frazier. The saddest part of this brouhaha is that the main issue got buried viz. whether Ganguly deserves a place in the team at all. No matter how much Chapell stepped out of line the fact remains that Ganguly "remains under tremendous pressure to perform" (oh how many times do we have to read about this!).

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 17:24  

  • Blueboy:
    Yes, it almost feels like Prem suddenly went south on GC, and I was curious to hear about it too. If memory serves me right it started with his comments on Steve Waugh's statement that he (SW) had suggested Tom Moody, where PP inexplicably left out including SW's second part (that GC wouldn't be a bad candidate either, and has impeccable credentials).
    I don't doubt that GC is probably lacking somewhat in man-management skills, but I find it bewildering to see him accused of being a control freak etc.

    By Blogger Multy, at 17:27  

  • Ganguly's lie #1 from india times:

    However, Ganguly soon retired with what he said was a sharp pain in his left elbow. Times News Network later asked him about the pain and he showed a point in his elbow, saying he had been suffering from tennis elbow for some time.

    "Well, Sachin's recovering from his tennis elbow and now you're getting it?," asked this correspondent. Ganguly smiled before stressing that he would definitely play in the Test matches. "I'll get an MRI done after the series," he said.
    Ganguly resumed batting after the fall of the sixth wicket and reached a tedious 46 in about two hours.

    By Blogger G285, at 17:29  

  • Ganguly #2 lie

    MUMBAI: The genesis of the spat between Sourav Ganguly and Greg Chappell may have been laid during the three-day game at Mutare (September 8-10). According to Board sources, that was the first time the coach suggested to the captain to step down.

    This, the source said, affected the captain to such an extent that Chappell was forced to go for the toss after none of the seniors volunteered.

    It is also reliably learnt that a group of senior players led by skipper Ganguly, barring Rahul Dravid and Anil Kumble, complained to Sunil Gavaskar before the first Test over the way the fitness programme was being handled. The players felt Chappell and his assistant bio-mechanic expert Ian Frazer were pushing them a bit too hard.

    By Blogger G285, at 17:30  

  • g285,
    Which part looks like lie to you? Ganguly 'was told' about the toss? Did he say that he felt 'happy' or asked GC to got for the toss at that time. He did mention in his testimony yesterday that the players were practising in the nets when GC went for the toss, backed up by this story. SG also said that in his testimony that he didn't want to create a scene over this issue.

    SG mentioned in his testimony that he requested Dravid to retire and came out to bat, again this story validates that. About his injury, he gave his version, Glouster did his version, Manager gave his version. Nobody claimed that he was faking an injury. This report doesn't indicate that either.

    So why do you think SG was lying?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 17:32  

  • dadagiri -

    Do you think Ganguly deserves his place in the XI based on his performance over the last two years?

    Just curious.

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:33  

  • sorry folks..just to deviate from the subject a bit..any of you know if the Super series is being broadcast by DirecTV out here? Thanks in advance.

    By Blogger boondock_cricketer, at 17:33  

  • One more question for dadagiri -

    How long do you think a player must be retained despite failures? What would be a suitable number of chances?

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:35  

  • Bala,
    No, I don't think SG deserve a place in the ODI team based on his performance in the last two years. In Tests, he had two bad series against Australia and Pakistan at home. Otherwise, he has been ok if not great. Anyway, the point here is not his form or other players form, the point is the allegations made by GC.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 17:36  

  • dadagiri -

    For me enough has been spoken and written about the GC-GC spat. It seemed like you spoke against GC. So I was just wondering what someone with that perspective has to say on Ganguly's standing in the team.

    It was a real question and not a rhetoric one.

    Hope that explains it.

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:40  

  • Bala,
    Why don't you take on the allegations against SG and reply where do you stand on this because that's the talk of the hour now? We can talk about SG's lack of form some other time. Don't mix two issues. SG, as everyone agress (even the pro-SG ones) will go pretty soon unless he suddenly rediscovers his form bigtime. But the big issue is the coach-players problem.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 17:41  

  • Bala,
    Not only me, you will see a of people like Ravi, Worma also supported SG. That doesn't mean they (incl. me) are suggesting that SG should continue indefinitely. If you are a regular here, you should know that. But it's an alltogether different issue to ask someone to quit because the coach has brought some serious allegations against you. If SG didn't clear his name, his reputation for the past 10 years would have gone down the drain. That's what apparently SG told the committee too. He said that they can sack him as captain, sack him as player, but they should hear his story and decide whether the allegations are true or not. SG can open the innings against Bond & co., against Zim national team and then chickens out against some other attack and within days, takes on the Zim main attack again to score a century !!! Can someone in that frame of mind, avoiding new ball and fast bowling, score a century and play such a long innings? Sg may be felt all at sea against Bond, but I didn't see the other batsmen any comfortable either. Bond ripped through our line up. But SG just clobbered Miles and played other bowlers comfortably. So which Zim bowler in that practise game was he scared of?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 17:49  

  • Prem, The member who talked about the review meeting would have to Venkat. It is so perfectly fitting...

    In the review meeting, he takes his medicines and dozes off. People think he is asleep, but, he is an intelligent chap after all and is very attentive and looks for signs that others fail to see.

    If you read the article carefully, It does not talk about incidents, conversations, etc. It just talks about this secret member's opinions. The very fact that somebody can potray a positive picture of this whole fiasco means that he has to be an old man from Tamil Nadu.

    We know that Ravi Shastri is not an Analyst. Even as a commentator, he is just plain boring and reactive with commentary with repetitive expressions like "he has hammerred it down the ground"..."he has nailed it thru covers"...No Analysis, No thoughts...Only fit for ball-by-ball radio commentary.

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 17:52  

  • Dadagiri:
    To be fair to Bala I dont think you can NOT mix the two issues. The main reason why GC seems pissed at SG is because he is not performing, and if the captain of the team canno justify his own presence within it is a sorry state of affairs, and it can (and has) lead to deserving people being omitted.
    Now, with regards to the allegations made against SG, we dont know one way or another what really happened (we can only speculate endlessly), only those two will ever know. The reason so many people are pissed now at Ganguly is because for ages people have suspected that he had strong political backing, was suspect against fast-pitch bowling and was a dead wicket bully, but they ignored all that so long as he was delivering the goods and the team was doing well. In fact, one could argue that his political clout helped a lot in picking the players he wanted (and full credit goes to him for doing that), he used his powers wisely. When things started going south for him, it looked as if he was using that very clout to hang in there in the team, and his known backing of the chosen few led people to think that he was doing behind the back manouvering to hang on to his place in the side.
    Now with respect to the coach GC: BCCI knew what it was signing up for. The opinions about GC being a hard taskmaster from the Australian state side were there even before he was appointed, in fact that was one of the negative things being written about his candidature when BCCI was in the evaluation phase.

    By Blogger Multy, at 17:54  

  • Lawyer: Do you allege that Ganguly is lazy?
    Court room observers hold their breath
    GC: Yes

    Everyone gasps.

    Lawyer: Do you also allege that he is scared of fast bowling and that his teammates said that he is liable to get aches and pains out of nowhere?
    GC: Yes. Such players are not fit to play. The problem is mental and physical.

    Lawyer: Mr.Chappell these are serious allegations that you have no PROOF for. Do you feel that it makes sense to destory the career of this great cricketer just because we have a couple of young usptarts who work hard and apply themselves?
    GC: Yes.

    Pandemonium...
    Judge: Order in the court. Proceed with that line questioning, counsel.
    Lawyer: Have you heard of the term "lazy elegance" coined by Mr.Gavaskar...?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 17:54  

  • Dadagiri -

    From my perspective, it is impossible to know if the allegations are true based on the information that is public. I also think that the chief reason so many people on this forum have been very harsh on Ganguly is the perception that he is in the team for reasons beyond cricketing ones. In some sense, this is where the two issues mix - GC's allegations suggest reasons for the Ganguly's and the team's poor performance. So while GC might be wrong in some or many places, all that a lot of people see is an opportunity to correct what is perceived as a wrong i.e. SG still being in the team. A parallel is say Don Corleone being nailed for tax evasion.

    Now where I do think Ganguly erred is by going public with his first statement. I do not think that GC was wrong in writing his email - assuming he did not leak it to the press. It was after all a confidential email to his employers, complaining about issues he had with a colleague.

    I think the biggest culprit is the BCCI member who leaked the e-mail. And therein lies the tragedy - SG may go in ignominy, GC may be sacked, but the b**t*rd who leaked the e-mail will go scot-free.

    What to do? We are like this only!

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:57  

  • Multy -

    Looks like you pretty much stole all my arguments while I was typing.

    :-)

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:59  

  • Famous quotes-1 :- "From the moment that Sourav Ganguly jumped like a scalded cat to the first delivery he bowled, Bond must have known that he was in for some easy pickings. These days, the world's premier fast bowlers look at Ganguly and see one of those fairground attractions, a stationary prize to knock off with the fast straight bullet, and there was a macabre predictability to the hapless fend that cost him his wicket."

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 18:08  

  • The super-series is on Dish Network, did not find anything on Willow

    By Blogger Pings, at 18:09  

  • fire SG Musharraf

    By Blogger saum, at 18:11  

  • and hang bcci offcials

    By Blogger saum, at 18:12  

  • officials*

    By Blogger saum, at 18:12  

  • multy, I am glad that you had also noticed the change in Prem's posts over the last 2 days.

    Prem, please come back and enlighten us...

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:21  

  • Bala,
    I diagree that the two issues can't be viewed separately. Many posters have done that and some others haven't. The ones who haven't tend to take each and every word of GC's email (unlike you who are saying that you can't verify whether the allegations are true or not). That's where I disgaree. I don't know what you mean by 'a lot of people see is an opportunity to correct what is perceived as a wrong i.e. SG still being in the team'. So you are saying that it's ok if a guy is thrown out based on unproven allegations rather than on form? Are you guys not sure that SG is going to fail in the next series? Probably you still believe that he can come back and you don't want that to happen. So you want to take him out the wrong way? Will you like another player who has served India as long as SG had to be taken out like that? Will you like the same fate for SRT or RSD if they lose form and continue to hang on?

    I agree that SG erred by admitting to the media. I've been saying this since it happened. Even SG has admitted that yesterday. But as far as the 'leak' is concerned, remember there are more than one leaks. The first one was in Bulawayo when the media straightaway asked SG about the incident. The news was already leaked to the media. It was not same as VVS telling the media on his own about 'negative vibes'.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:26  

  • Bala - Leaking email has only good and very good effects. The good one is that it is a stamp on what Prem mentioned about his sources ( some "duhs" did question it).

    The very good one is that SG will now get 100 lashes everytime he
    - gets out caught behind, at gully
    - misfields
    - gets hit by a short delivery
    - gets other batsmen run-out
    - tries to be in team for Kaif, Laxman
    - tries to save himself from rising bowl then his wicket

    By Blogger J, at 18:32  

  • greg2rescue, I doubt if venkat was the "official" who spoke to the media. My money is still on Ravi Shastri.

    I must say that I agree that Ravi's expert comments on the lines of "Something's got to give" is as exciting as matrix 2,3,4,5..... one after the other.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:33  

  • Dadagiri - Most of us would love to see SG the way he was in his prime. At one point, he was a better bat then ST in one dayers, a real match winner.

    Sadly - He has lost form, confidence and is playing policket.

    By Blogger J, at 18:35  

  • Multy,

    To be fair to Bala I dont think you can NOT mix the two issues. The main reason why GC seems pissed at SG is because he is not performing, and if the captain of the team canno justify his own presence within it is a sorry state of affairs, and it can (and has) lead to deserving people being omitted.

    --->>> I don't think that's exactly the case here. It has been reported that GC started to dislike SG from the SL tour itself. Now SG had joined that tour halfway. Don't you think it's too early for GC to decide that he's not performing? If GC was not happy with SG's performance in the past season(s), then he could have made it clear to the board when he was hired. Right? I find it hard to believe that GC took 3-4 matches to decide that it's time for SG to step down unless he came on board with the idea that SG has to go.

    I still believe that the main problem is with power and control. Not saying that GC has any malicious intent, he wants the absolute best for the team, but he also wants to control most of the things and want to get it done his ways, thus stepping into the area that till now belonged to the captain.

    Now, with regards to the allegations made against SG, we dont know one way or another what really happened (we can only speculate endlessly), only those two will ever know. The reason so many people are pissed now at Ganguly is because for ages people have suspected that he had strong political backing, was suspect against fast-pitch bowling and was a dead wicket bully, but they ignored all that so long as he was delivering the goods and the team was doing well.

    --->>> Multy, my response will be same to what I've said to Bala. Just because you or some others have grudges against him, that doesn't mean one would back GC with his allegations. Again, your case may be different, but most of the people here attacked SG based on that email in the past few days.

    Now with respect to the coach GC: BCCI knew what it was signing up for. The opinions about GC being a hard taskmaster from the Australian state side were there even before he was appointed, in fact that was one of the negative things being written about his candidature when BCCI was in the evaluation phase.

    --->>> I don't think BCCI can't deal with a hard taskmaster, in fact BCCI will prefer one beacuse they don't want the players to have too much say on anything. But it's the control issues that's causing the problem. If GC doesn't mend his ways, he'll continue to have problems. A selector is there to do his job, a captain has certain areas to look after. Similarly, a coach's job is defined and GC needs to respect that work within that or get it clarified through BCCI (I think the committee talked about that).

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:39  

  • J,
    Agree with your comment except the last word. :) Btw, are you I's younger sibling?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:41  

  • Dudes (Multy, blueboy, etc.),

    Regarding Prem's supposed about turn on Greg Chappell, here's a telling definition from a dictionary:

    IRONY: The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
    An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

    *sigh*......

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 18:43  

  • dadagiri,

    LOL!!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 18:44  

  • dadagiri, multy and bala, many in the media and this blog have lashed out at the BCCI for compromising on the issue and for gagging the review committee and the players from talking to the media about the issue. The fact that things still get leaked is a different issue altogether.

    Take this blog for instance. Some posters have vehemently attacked SG while some have defended him equally vociferously. I shudder to think what would have happened if BCCI had taken a decision one way or the other.

    dadagiri, worma and mock turtle against toney, bala and prem ???

    I think that the compromise and the gag order by BCCI is probably the best under the circumstances.

    What you say?

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:45  

  • I know, we know and GC knows that this team is a "no show" team. What GC has done has saved his ass and now has the team's ass on line.
    Tell me now who will blame GC ever for bad peformance?

    Frankly speaking we have bad bowlers ( all of them), bad fielders ( all of them) and inconsistent batsmen. How can we win? We cannot.

    By Blogger J, at 18:49  

  • jaunty, do you mean to say that prem was actually supporting GC by not supporting him...I was thinking that Prem got some inside info that made him change his stance. Enough speculation. lets wait for prem's post.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:50  

  • and above all a board which will give PWD,Nagar Nigam, PHE, babu's a run for their money

    By Blogger J, at 18:50  

  • Thank God that you are not asking Prem to impose a gag order on few selective ids. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:51  

  • Frankly speaking we have bad bowlers ( all of them), bad fielders ( all of them) and inconsistent batsmen. How can we win?
    --------

    See, we still beat zim against all these odds. Didn't we? Hurray to team india.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:52  

  • dadagiri, that's an idea.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:53  

  • Dadagiri -

    >> I don't know what you mean by 'a lot of people see is an opportunity to correct what is perceived as a wrong i.e. SG still being in the team'. So you are saying that it's ok if a guy is thrown out based on unproven allegations rather than on form?

    I never said it was right or wrong - just that it is happening.

    >> Are you guys not sure that SG is going to fail in the next series?

    No - but one school of thought is that even if he fails he will not be dropped.

    To paraphrase everything - I think the point is that Ganguly evokes such strong emotions because he is seen to be in the team, now (thats important), for the wrong reasons i.e. political

    By Blogger Bala, at 18:54  

  • blueboy,
    In that case, I swear I'll write a 12 page long email to Prem accusing you of a lot of things and then leak it to this blog and then accuse someone for leaking it. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:56  

  • Bala,
    Actually you know SG has always evoked strong emotions. Just go all the way back to the start of his career and follow it closely. You will see that. Even during that historic series of 2001 against the Aussies, Waugh and others manipulated the Indian media against SG and the fans lapped it up. Now of course they say it a bit differently 'Ganguly managed to get under the skin of Waugh'. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:59  

  • well, a 12 page e-mail. Very flattering ;-)

    I will respond with these irresistable words from Lele..."Do you think dadagiri is a **** to write a 12 page e-mail on blueboy"

    By Blogger blueboy, at 18:59  

  • Blueboy -

    I tend to agree with you on this one.

    The e-mail was leaked, in all likelihood, to take the heat off one or more parties in the BCCI election. That is what triggered the whole crisis. I think if the innner discontent in the team was not public, it could have been dealt with in a much better manner.

    But once the spat was in the public domain, the BCCI couldn't really do anything. If you consider this blog as a microcosm of cricket followers in India, you see that there are people who are vehemently backing each party. So getting rid of either one in such a public manner was untenable.

    The real picture will emerge over the next few months as decions are taken that affect team composition.

    Till then we just have to wait.

    By Blogger Bala, at 19:01  

  • Dadagiri -

    While your statement about evoking strong emotions might be true to a certain extent, I don't remember public opinion being so much against him in the past. For instance, every publication did have something positive to say about SG in the 2001 series. Here we have several taking an anti-Ganguly stance.

    By Blogger Bala, at 19:07  

  • bala, to a certain extent, the media have always tended to portray SG in a bad light even in his 2001 heyday. The aussie( and english media) did this deliberately to mentally disintegrate the indian team before the 2001 in india & the 2002 series in eng. I vaguely remember this guy Michael Conn writing in the hindu. Truly disgusting piece of journalism...Unfortunately(for them), India managed to do well in both these series and the anti-SG elements went mad. The indian media promptly followed. SG's woeful form since 2003 has not done him any favours either.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 19:13  

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    By Blogger blueboy, at 19:13  

  • Here's the Ganguly perspective on Chappell's e-mail

    http://ww1.mid-day.com/sports/national/2005/september/119728.htm

    By Blogger Bala, at 19:34  

  • For the record, 'I' has a younger sibling and she is indeed a 'J'.

    For further record, just so that I may have the satisfaction to snigger at the naysayers, and at people who wish evil against someone whom they know only through the media, I hope that SG thrashes the leather of every cricket ball in sight in the coming series.

    By Blogger i, at 20:01  

  • Dadagiri,

    It was India's Dadagiri that they were the only one to stand up of all the countries that went down under. Almost won too.

    Such performance should counter balance BD and ZIM tour.

    Tell me how many countries have done well in Pak?

    Forget about rising with Chapel. He has already dug the grave.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 20:01  

  • Bala
    Kaif is batting 24.50 in 12 innings and Yuv. 33.90 in 10 innings.

    Since trip to Australia Ganguly scored 565 runs at average 33. I have EXCLUDED runs in BD and ZIM.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 20:03  

  • cricktip -

    Is that the ODI stats?

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:24  

  • Dadagiri, this should warm your heart.

    http://espnstar.com/studio/studio_coldetail_1648149.html

    By Blogger blueboy, at 20:30  

  • cricktip -

    As dadagiri pointed out in his earlier post, SG probably merits one/two more series in tests. But in ODI's he has had a horror run. He averages 28 and change since the world cup. Compare that with 40+ before the world cup.\
    Surely he doesn't deserve a place in the ODI team?

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:33  

  • bala, even though the ODI stats are far from impressive, I do not think we have a batting order that is reliable enough to warrant an immediate sacking of SG. I would still give SG the home series against SL and SA to prove himself or if not, make an exit.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 20:36  

  • Read what Freddie Flintoff has to say abt Ganguly
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4292054.stm

    By Blogger Ridham, at 20:36  

  • On balance, I would agree with blueboy's assessment.

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:38  

  • ridham -

    This is the same guy who said that he was shot in Delhi.

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:40  

  • Yes, and the same guy who almost single handedly beat Aussies :-)
    Mate, you don't piss against the wind, if everyone is against Ganguly, so am I ..(ok, kidding !!)

    By Blogger Ridham, at 20:41  

  • Blueboy -

    I must add though, that the batting order in ODIs is perhaps not yet settled because Ganguly has been around longer than he should have been (in the ODI team)

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:42  

  • Geeez. This has Shastri written all over it. The english, the tone..if these are verbatim quotes .. is all Shastri.

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:42  

  • If ganguly is on notice, it can only be good.
    If he clicks - good for the team. If he doesn't he is out.
    Both win-win

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:44  

  • bala, It will be interesting to see where SG bats in the ODIs. The best position is obviously right at the top when he has the opportunity to get some quick runs instead of coming in the middle overs and facing murali-the javelin thrower right away.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 20:47  

  • There is no doubt that Ganguly would want to open. But if Sachin is back, there will be a huge furore if he (SRT) is pushed down the order. Sehwag will definitely open.

    So where does that leave Ganguly - my guess is fervently hoping that SRT gives the series a miss :-)

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:51  

  • Hmm..how about a revival of the the SG-SRT combination. May be VS can then have the freedom to slog his way in the middle.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 20:53  

  • If Sachin is missing, Ganguly would definitely be the best bet to open.

    Another interesting thing is to see what venues the ODIs are played at. Given the politicking, I wouldn't be surprised to see lively tracks at the grounds where the cricket association is in the Pawar camp (as opposed to standard shirtfronts)

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:53  

  • Blueboy -

    Given that Sehwag himself hasn't been firing in the ODIs lately, as well as he was doing a while back a change might actually be good for him..

    I'd like to see SG-SRT, atleast for a few games

    By Blogger Bala, at 20:55  

  • Things that I would like to see

    I would like to see SG stand (I cannot bring myself to say field) at backward point for a few games, please. It may help. And of course he should face the new ball. Perhaps play it.

    I would like to see Virender Sehwag in the middle order preferrably after powerplay sessions.

    I would like to see Mohammed Kaif sit in the pavillion for a few games...what?...oh, he is already in the pavillion.

    I would like to see Badani play for the A-team or the B-team for another 5 years.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:08  

  • India in good hands



    John Wright says in an exclusive chat that Greg Chappell is doing the right thing by cracking the whip on the Indian team



    Faisal Shariff/ Times Now



    Former Indian coach John Wright has accomplished two of the most difficult tasks in world cricket.

    One was scoring the highest number of runs off a single ball – eight – in a test. The other has been taking incongruent components called the Indian cricket team and melding them into a symphonic whole. And, all along, he preferred the shadows to the sunlight.

    The Ganguly-Chappell spat exposed the chinks in the Indian dressing room; something that Wright did well to paper over during his tenure. Even though Chappell has not spared Wright in his leaked e-mail to the board, saying the Kiwi allowed things to go on “to the detriment of the team”, Wright was glad that the whip was finally cracking on a team where big names fail to consistently win matches.

    Even though the soundtrack of his life has changed, Wright still continues to follow the progress of what was once HIS team.

    Excerpts of an interview Ever since you quit, do you think Team India has moved to the next level? Do you think they have progressed as a unit?

    I have always had great optimism about Indian cricket and that will never wane. They are special players with wonderful ability. The secret is always hard work and application and I know from what I read that Greg is cracking the whip and that will bear rich dividends. Of course there’s always a price to pay but I am sure the side will come together and go on winning matches.

    Do you miss being part of Team India?

    That was a very special part of my life. When you’ve done it for a while there are certain aspects of the job that you miss, but that’s how life moves on. Now I’ve been back in New Zealand with my children. I’m sure Indian cricket is in good hands, I’ve been keeping up with their progress. They will get through this difficult period, they have before. Greg and the team will get through this and go on to play well Chappell has criticised you in his e-mail.... Stuff happens. But all my good wishes are with him. I’d be more than happy to help if he ever wants to get in touch with me.

    Would you ever want to return to serve Indian cricket, especially at the grass root level?

    There’s definitely a lot of talent there and I would love to but I think it will be one step at a time. I have a role to play here and you’re always judged by results and hopefully I can work in the background with Shaun Pollock and Graeme Smith.

    I think it’s important that this team that has been selected plays to its potential because then we’ll have a good series.

    After a well-deserved break, its back to coaching for you. Feel rusty?

    No, I am very excited. I have had a bit of a break and a little bit of rest and to have the opportunity to work with some great players again is exciting. Of course playing against Australia is something I have always enjoyed. I think it’s a bit of a challenge because they will be pretty tough after their Ashes loss. Ricky Ponting says that he is very determined. So the challenge for us is to get together as a team, gel quickly and play good, winning cricket. Do you think the sheen is a bit off after Australia lost the Ashes?

    To be honest I think there is more interest here because this is a critical series for some of the Australian players. They have already made some changes and they will be hungry to win. If anything it has heightened the interest in the series particularly from the Australian point of view because there is a lot of pressure from some of the incumbents. But ultimately Australia is tough and the boys will understand that. It is up to us to play good cricket. We’ll take it from there.

    You took a disjointed Indian team and together with Ganguly turned them into Team India. Coaching the World XI seems much the same.

    Yes that will be the challenge. Putting big names on paper is one thing but it is putting the performances together that will be important.

    The weather here in Melbourne has been a little unsettled and some of the boys haven’t played a lot of cricket. We have been here for four-five days making sure the facilities are in place so hopefully we’ll get some good conditions outside. The whole key to the series is to come together, help each other and gel as a team and if they do that I’ll enjoy the experience and then I think we’ll be in a position to win matches. One reason you come to Australia is to win cricket matches. It’s always tough here and I expect these boys to take the challenge up. I am looking forward to working with some of the special cricketers that are in this team.

    (The writer is with Times Now, a soon-to-be-launched 24-hour English news channel)


    * “They will get through this difficult period, they have before. Greg and the team will get through this and go on to play good cricket.”

    By Blogger devatha, at 21:16  

  • Bala, you are absolutely right in saying Sehwag should come down in Middle order in ODIs. Imagine the devastating effect on spinners. Also, he is the only one ( except maybe Yuvraj) who can bisect the field...Good Call.

    Also, SG should open. We want him to deal with the new ball and fresh fired up bowlers dont we ?

    I personally want SRT to take it easy for a couple of months to watch how Indian cricket unfolds. Also, Rahul should make some timely ducks. Remember, we want to India under Ganguly to LOOSE so that, this successful captian BS myth goes away from public opinion. Let him first qualify as a player....

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:38  

  • Bala, Also, you can safely bet that the tracks will be absolutely flat so that, the captain gets an opportunity to come back...I am not that saavy, but, please do tell me if you see any Pawar associated venues in this list for SL series
    1st ODI - Nagpur
    2nd ODI - Mohali (D/N)
    3rd ODI - Jaipur
    4th ODI - Pune
    5th ODI - Ahmedabad (D/N)
    6th ODI - Rajkot
    7th ODI - Baroda

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:43  

  • So that means Ganguly (under pressure from the new ball) and SRT (under pressure due to comeback) will open??? Ah well! seems like everybody is nowadays under pressure...maybe except Sehwag :-)

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 21:45  

  • 'ilovecricket', SRT will not be under pressure due to comeback. He may be a little tentative to start with, but, not under pressure. You are talking about a genius man...I am alittle dissapointed that you have chosen to discuss SRT in the same sentence as SG. They are not even in the same league man....

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:50  

  • greg2rescue..my sincere apologies for my mistake...

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 21:55  

  • Apology taken. I knew it was more like a typo....
    Anyway, Your point on Sehwag is right. It is time to start putting some presuure on him as well. Did you see that Belly he has developed ? Actually, did you notice that GC in his email mentions Sehwag as an exception. I think he is trying to tell Sehwag that, you are also slacking in the training part, it is OK for now, but....

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:59  

  • dadagiri:

    This article on Outlook is what I was looking for. "Alleged" inside dope on what happened in the meeting from GC's point of view.

    I read your reply to my post but chose not to say anything more as it would have been repitition. Now, with this article coming out, SG vs GC is 1-1 as far as media coverage is concerned.

    It will be futile to repeat what is said in the article. But, at least based on the article, you can not say that SG came out winning. It was the other way round and that's why I say 1-1 in media.

    Now we have to wait and see what happens in next series or two, how SG plays, 'cause for him, everything depends on how he performs in the middle.

    Since 2-captain theory is being discussed, it will be interesting to see in which team SG is retained in. If it is ODIs then SG's departure will be hastened as his ODI form has been extreemly bad. If it is Tests then he has a better chance of prolonging his exit as he has played better in Tests as compared to ODIs.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 22:01  

  • Also, I dont know why people cannot see why Sehwag will be better in say 2 down or 3 down position. During power play field is close in and his shots in the air are mostly taken. Explains his poor run in ODI. After say, 15-20 overs, these airy shots will most likely not go to a fielder. A layman like me can understand this. I dont know why the team management does not get it...I think we need a team 'Strategist' focussed on strategies alone. Buchanan is this type of a guy. I dont think he gives a rats a** about whether shane warne trains or not...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:04  

  • IMHO if SG should play only in the ODI's. its true that his form in ODI has gone further south than tests but that is the format of the game his game is suited for.
    dont u think his suspect technique would be found out more in the tests

    By Blogger JD, at 22:04  

  • greg2rescue -- most of them are pawar based venues:
    1) Nagpur - Maharastra - Remembet Australia series 3rd test, ganguly withdrawn from match seeing the green pitch
    2) Mohali - Punjab - I S Bindra, strong supporter of Pawar, strongly against Dalmiya, Mohali any way supports fast bowlers, Remember Harbhajan called for explanation by Punjab cricket board for his outburst against coach.
    3) Jaipur - Rajasthan - one of the associations which filed a case for re-appointment of two observers. Strongly against Dalmiya and the postponement of BCCI AGM.
    4) Pune - Maharashtra - pawar
    5) Ahmedabad - Gujarat- don't know
    6) Rajkot - DOn't know
    7) Baroda - don't know.

    By Blogger devatha, at 22:07  

  • ruchir, you are buying in to Ganguly's propaganda when you say "If it is Tests then he has a better chance of prolonging his exit as he has played better in Tests as compared to ODIs". Do you honestly believe that he desreves a test place even in Zim / Ban teams ??? Remember his last meaningful test innings was that 144 in brisbane. After this it has been a string of ducks or so. His fifties and hundreds always came when the team was in good position and never when in dire straits. I am pretty sure that our team's collective test form will dip too (because of the morale issue). In this case, Ganguly at 4 or 5 does NOT have a chance at all....

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:09  

  • greg2rescue...so by that reckoning what would be your batting line up for the SL ODI's keeping in mind Mr. Murali...

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:10  

  • Devatha...Thanks a lot for the venue info...It makes me comfortable to think that there might be sporting venues in the next series. I was afraid of a scenario where Ganguly grinds and steals a 160 ball 100 in an ODI and tell the world that he has come back to form. Shudder to think about that script....I hope Malinga will be in the playing 11. He has got beautiful yorkers and bouncers....
    Sorry guys, I love Indian Cricket, but, this SG guy and his attitude...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:14  

  • The last time India played Sri Lanka (ODI) in India was in Nagpur and Poona...and India won both..(1998/99)...mind you.. SG did great in those ODI's..

    1 Ind 287/4 50 50 - W Pepsi Cup 2 v SL in Ind 1998/99 at Nagpur [1415]
    2 SL 207 38 50 288 L
    1 Ind 286/6 50 50 - W Pepsi Cup 5 v SL in Ind 1998/99 at Poona [1426]
    2 SL 235 45.5 50 287 L

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:15  

  • ILC, Lineup should be
    1)SRT (If available)
    2)SG (just because we want him there for now)
    3)VVS or MK (best suited because SG will be back in 2 mins or less)
    4)VS (could blast big time)
    5)RD (stabilize)
    6)YS (blast or bow out)
    7)MD (Blast)
    8)IP (Blast)
    9), 10), 11) Bowlers ( but, not, ZK)

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:18  

  • no body knows how were the pitches in Nagpur and Pune in 1998/99. Only after 2001, BCCI started converting some pitches into fast pitches, so that our great batsmen can also bat in foreign conditions

    By Blogger devatha, at 22:20  

  • Do you know if Ind vs SL will be on Dish Network or Willow TV ?

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:24  

  • In the latest Srilanka series, he was out to spinners only, in the 2 ODIs he has played against SL, that too Chandana & Dilshan. Add murali to that list, he can't even play the spinners, based on his current form and more importantly, his current mental fitness, with his fragile & nervous mind.

    By Blogger devatha, at 22:26  

  • devatha, who is the 'he' you are talking about, SG or VS or YS ?

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:28  

  • Thnx..looks good..greg2rescue...now we need to wait and see how much will the selectors screw up here..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:29  

  • If it is YS, then, agreed that he should not be in the team against a spin-packed team like SL (or) maybe he should. He is one of SG's clonies right ?

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:29  

  • Hey bala:

    cool we agree, man.when i was arguing with you a couple of days back, it wasn't because I'm a diehard ganguly fan.it's just interesting to talk to people with different points of view.in fact, i agree with the guy who said ganguly would probably never get back to his best.would be good if he did though...at more than one level, the man had contributed a lot.sadly, not too many cricketers other than sunil gavaskar had the sense to leave while the going is still good.i think SRT will be another who will though...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 22:30  

  • oldmanblues..and I see RD also leaving gracefully..like he does most things..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:31  

  • oldmanblues...Whoose fault is it that SG does not choose a graceful exit. Just think about it. He would have been hailed as a great captain, great player, blah blah blah...Now, the only option is for him to get booed out or slippered out (like sunilnain suggested in one of his posts)...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:34  

  • Well even if SG leaves or is made to leave in 1-2 yrs..I see him coming back as the Indian Coach in 3-4 yrs..dont know whether to laugh or cry at that idea..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:36  

  • ILC, Bala, Devatha and all you folks. It is getting late for me. Nice exchanging view points with you folks. Hopefully we will discuss more and more cricket in the future...adios

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:37  

  • ILC, dont say such things man !!!!

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:37  

  • Interesting theory you have put forward Ruchir. GC's email gets leaked, no comments from SG except 'I have answers for every charges' or something of that sort. The media turned against SG and so did most of the fans. It was upto SG to prove that the allegations were false and apparently he proved it enough to convince the men who matter. The media gave him enough coverage carrying his responses. Yet you are saying that SG was up 1-0 before the meeting and GC has managed a 1-1 draw now. Isn't it what you are saying or am I getting confused here?

    Very interesting theory of course. I also think it's 1-1, but I think the second round went to SG and not the first. Anyway, this is not the first time we have differed on our opinions and I am sure it's not the last time either. :)

    Btw, can you give me the link to that Outlook article? I promise I won't raise any points from it since you are reluctant to discuss.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 22:37  

  • I think it is 2-0 for JD. 1 for diverting attention from the election. 2 for stamping his authority by retaining his protege at all costs...
    It is not really about GC Vs SG folks. Hope you realize this.

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:43  

  • I think rather than have two captains, it would make more sense to give the captaincy to someone who is capable to lead in both forms of the game. Since the committee has all but put a gun to SG's head, it might be best for him to relinquish the captaincy and let RD take over.

    Any thoughts?

    By Blogger Bala, at 22:45  

  • Bala,
    Whether SG relinquishes the captaincy or not, I don't think two captain theory will work in India. So I doubt that it'll be implemented. I think SG will be given the ODI series as well as the next test series and then be judged for both. If the selectors decide to drop SG from one version of the game, they should remove him from captaincy from the other version as well and let him play just as a player. He deserves to save his playing career without the additional burden of captaincy.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 22:50  

  • how's this for a movie script

    consider this and i'm assuming that JD did leak the letter

    JD gets the email from GC (dunno if he even got the email), he reads it and realizes that SG is screwed. now if he had told SG about the contents of the email and if SG had gone to the meeting fully prepared to counter those charges people would have realized that JD was responsible.
    so he decides to put it in the public domain

    we've heard SG saying that he will come fully prepared to answer GC's questions. suppose the email hadnt been leaked, SG would have been royally screwed.

    By Blogger JD, at 22:52  

  • Dadagiri...captaincy a burden for SG?? surely you jest?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:52  

  • The two captain theory arguably hasn't worked well anywhere. Agree about the captaincy bit

    By Blogger Bala, at 22:53  

  • Dear ILC, if you are true to your name, then captaincy is a burden to any player....more so on an Indian player because of the media focus and public scrutiny. Whether you are pro-SG or anti-SG, this has been accepted all over, so let's not start a new argument over this. A captain has to take care of and think about a lot of additional responsibilities. For example, if SG had not been the captain and didn't have the responsibility to decide, he may not have given up his opening slot in the ODIs and his form slump would not have started so early.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 23:01  

  • Btw folks, this is part of what GC had to say after declaring the 'truce'.

    "It was a frank discussion about Indian cricket's present and future, and much of what I said was aimed at motivating Sourav for the Bulawayo Test match. In that regard our exchange was beneficial."

    URL:http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/19greg.htm

    Which part of the email do you think suggest that he was trying to 'motivate' SG?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 23:03  

  • wasnt the email sent before he made that comment?
    the photo op and those comments were a coverup orchestrated by the board

    By Blogger JD, at 23:07  

  • That word "motivate" is just a term, he used because he had no choice. Don't insist on it. It was forced by BCCI, for just the truce-making. There was only de-motivation, to get rid of the evil from the Indian Cricket Team.(sorry, BCCI Cricket Team, there is no Indian cricket team any way)

    By Blogger devatha, at 23:08  

  • dadagiri...I hear you and agree 100% with what you are saying about captaincy..what I fail to understand is who is stopping/or has stopped SG from resigning and concentrating on his batting.I only hear him making statements.."who doesn't want to be captain" which irk because he is not even able to give results as a captain due to his batting slump.

    All of us have seen that he has enough connections in BCCI to get what he wants..if he had wanted to he could have easily resigned at any point in the last few yrs and concentrated on his batting without fear of being thrown out of the team.It is not that there was no other person competent enough...After all RD is fairly competent..

    I think that is what a lot of us so called anti-SG people in this blog are saying..No doubt about his batting ability and/or captaining ability but it is a thing of the past..why does he insist on remaining captain now??

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 23:16  

  • A bit more of venting..My personal opinion on SG is that he has a big ego and he will not accept having anybody else as captain and this is going to be his downfall soon enough..He may make statements that he has no issue serving under anybody..however in reality I do not think he will give his 100% to any else who is a captain. While this ego was good when he was a productive member of the Indian team now it is just a hindrance..and people who say that there are 10 members in the team are not too far away from the mark..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 23:23  

  • ILC, I know that your last post is just your personal opinions. But even opinions have to be based on facts or perceived facts.

    he will not accept having anybody else as captain and this is going to be his downfall soon enough..He may make statements that he has no issue serving under anybody..however in reality I do not think he will give his 100% to any else who is a captain.

    If the above statement is based on facts, I am very interested to hear those facts, if not then I think it is very unfair to make scathing comments like this. On form, SG does not deserve a place in the side. Yes, but you cannot presume him guilty and convict him based on his form alone.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 23:47  

  • Back...
    Bala, ILC, I dont think RD will make a good captain. In fact I think he is a wussy. Reasons :-

    1)Ganguly chickens out in Nagpur match. RD should have said something in public instead of just sulking. Something innocent,but, sracastic like "We really missed Sourav on such a fast and green wicket. I hope he gets well from his serious injury in time for the next match. Judging by his present state he may not be able to make it..."..

    2)Captain should be agressive on and off the field. RD does not fit the bill.

    3)In this whole GC fiasco, he should atleast gone out and said things like "Greg is a great coach and has helped our cricket a lot" like Irfan did. What did he do ?Zilch !!!

    4)Captain should have the hunger for captiancy just like SG. RD does not seem to want this by choice. He just seems to just accept it as a second fiddle.

    I dont know, but, If I was a selector, I would choose VVS outright. Brainy, open, cool and performs under pressure. Coming to think about it, we are in 3rd spot in test ranking only because of VVS & RD. I would rather have SG as a captain than RD, but, I would make SG a non-playing captain carrying drinks....

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 00:40  

  • In words of Normal Shekar

    "While it is tough to find talented cricketers for the international stage, it is even tougher to zero in on a leader with a vision, a man who can set goals and inspire the team to achieve them.

    For a few precious years, at least, Ganguly did exactly that. He may not deserve to be deified; on the other hand, he doesn't deserve to be demonised either. One of the lessons that life has taught us is this: we might struggle to find great achievers in the future if we failed to celebrate the ones we have now amidst

    By Blogger shravan, at 01:02  

  • Some more leaks

    http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/sep292005/index21282005928.asp


    Chappell’s charges hooked for sixes


    Sourav Ganguly’s written 11-page rebuttal of coach Greg Chappell’s charges in his explosive e-mail is a subject of much speculation.

    The Kolkatan left-hander, it is believed, made a point-by-point reply to every single issue raised by the coach in his deposition before the Review Committee here on Tuesday.

    On Chappell’s statement that Ganguly had told V V S Laxman that the coach didn’t want him in the Test eleven: “Selection committee convenor S K Nair (also a part of the Review Committee) will confirm that I requested the selectors to include Laxman in the Test and one-day squads, which Greg did not want. However, he has said just the opposite in his e-mail.”


    On his alleged problems with facing the new ball:

    “According to the coach, I don’t feel comfortable against the new ball. But during my hundred in Bulawayo, I played four to five overs at the start of my innings and again the next morning. It was also said that I don’t concentrate hard. But everyone will concede that I had to concentrate a lot in that particular innings (during the six-hour hundred).” Of course, the fact is that in Bulawayo, Ganguly came in to bat in the 56th over, with the score reading 228 for three. By the time the new ball was requisitioned with two overs left on the second evening, he had moved to 22, and having spent more than an hour and a half at the crease, could be said to have been reasonably well settled when the second new ball was taken.

    On allegations that he was adopting the divide and rule policy:

    “I want to be the captain of this side, I enjoy the captaincy role. It’s an honour to be captain, and I know that unless we win, I will not be able to continue as captain. So why should I divide this team?”

    On his supposed failure to follow the fitness regimen:

    “You can check physio John Gloster’s report. I have done all the sessions. I do agree that I should work more on my fitness. But whatever has been said in the e-mail is incorrect. Can Greg Chappell say that I failed to participate in the sessions that were assigned to me?”

    By Blogger Alex Pandian, at 01:32  

  • Shravan, you are right. Ganguly was a good leader at some point in time. We should respect that. Hell even RD respects that.

    I think at some point the ego took over... Then came favouritism...Then came batting slump...Now it is all about save my career...downhill only...

    Also, it is very true that it is extremely difficult to find a true leader. I honestly believe that RD is not a true leader. At best he will be a humble and good deputy. He does not have the killer instinct and manipulation skills that are inherent qualities of a true leader....

    Who then is our next captain ? Any suggestions ? This question is very relevant because, make no mistakes, this one is gone soon...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:16  

  • Himappa said...
    I guess I am new to this, but why is Ravi against Saurav ??

    Response: Because he belongs to the Mumbai lobby, the defacto royalty of Indian cricket, dethroned in the recent past. Because he is a ESPN employee and sees this as an opportunity [as so many others seem to do] to get his back at JD for not allowing ESPN to be the monopoly telecaster of Indian cricket. Because he [like so many other past cricketers and current bloggers] finds SG's abrasive style foreign, since accepting it exposes their own timidity. Because RS believes in his media [read ESPN] created public persona of a 'cerebral cricketer'. Because RS does indeed have a loud mouth...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 02:41  

  • greg2rescue said...
    .... Sorry guys, I love Indian Cricket, but, this SG guy and his attitude...

    Response: Like I said above... some Indians are acutely embarrassed at SG's aggro... it exposes their own lack of [g/n]uts... which is why Ridham needs the views of the white-skinned fratboy with one big series Chucktoff to bolster his hatred at SG...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 02:50  

  • correction: ... hatred of SG

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 02:55  

  • Judge: You have been charged with hate crimes against Sourav Ganguly. How do you plead?
    Indian fan: Not guilty
    Judge: Do you not hate that he reduces the team to ten men? Don't you hate that he he pretends to play fast bowling, pretends to field and pretends to captain the Indian team?
    Indian fan: Yes but I don't...
    Judge: You hate his guts, don't you? How despicable can you get? I sentence you to 5 years of watching Ganguly as Indian captain.
    Indian fan sinks to his kness and wails...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:26  

  • Prem:
    Something I would like to say about this whole issue is that- how good is the esteemed BCCI president Ranbir Singh Mahendra's word? Considering the nature of the board's 'final solution' and the laughable probing into the actual facts of the matter(no interview with the vice-captain who was instrumental in tiding over the dispute before the Bulawayo game, no interview with any other players,and apparently, no interview with any of the support staff- just 'fitness certificates'), Ganguly's fitness is still pretty much a question mark to me. To make matters murkier, why didn't the board insist he be assessed for his injury now??? Surely, a recurrent elbow injury must be troubling for anyone- let alone a premier batsman, or should we say, captain?
    It is one thing to express an opinion casually (which most players who commented on Ganguly's injuries to Chappell appeared to have done from the tone of the published e-mail) but another to do so when there are higher stakes to be played for. The apparent reasons for the players to support Ganguly over Chappell would necessitate that their opinions would change over time and place and ,most assuredly, with company!
    The heart of the matter is that certain things must be non-negotiable:
    -fitness: Too much of a workload for players? Give me a break. They are supposed to be athletes. Their currency is their body. If they aren't willing to hone it now, when do they plan to do so- on the eve of the world cup? This must be non-negotiable.
    -discipline: Punctuality is a good thing. A curfew before a match is pertty much a good thing as well. If so-called 'senior' players cannot see this, how good for the team can he be? I refer of course to media reports concerning a 10 PM curfew for Sehwag and Harbhajan. No comment was attributed to either player, but this is a rebuttal of the comment itself, as it was obviously put out there in a misguided effort to gain sympathy.
    -the Indian way: Let's be honest-this wonderful Indian way has allowed us to boast till recently about a lack of a test series win outside the subcontinent for more than a decade! Hello, it isn't working anymore!! West Indian cricket gave us Lara, where does it stand now? Genius will bail you out occasionally, but it can't make up for lack of hard work. Honesty is a good thing, as is accountability for all. We need consistency in all things, not just performance on the field! Tact and diplomacy cannot override ground realities. We must stop shooting the messenger and start confronting the hard truth!
    -confidentiality: Certain issues must be kept internal. The public domain is an unfocussed medium with varied agendas, few of them in the interest of Indian cricket. Fear of 'leaks' will submerge honest opinions and create fear and insecurity more effectively than any single individual will.
    -merit: Let's be honest- we need Ganguly the player far more than we need Ganguly the captain. A test hundred against Zimbabwe on a glorious batting surface is not extraordinary. It is facile to only deal in statistics that are pretty but ignore the rest that aren't. An example is a point raised during TV commentary on the second test on Harare was that though Dravid's near century was nearly as slow as Ganguly's,it would be praised simply because he was not Ganguly. Yet the surface and the quality of bowling to a large extent were very different. In less helpful conditions, Ganguly failed again. Who are we fooling?
    In essence, the true test is yet to come, both for Ganguly and the Indian way. Sourav Ganguly has been one of the best attacking players of spin I have ever seen. In Bulawayo, the same player appeared shackled by a poorer quality of spinner and got out playing one of his favourite shots to one, after one of the most shaky hundreds he's ever played, on a good batting pitch. Let's all hope that things can only better.

    By Blogger djlykan, at 05:26  

  • Ganguly is almost finished if this report is to be believed, but I guess most people are not getting it. He was given two series to prove himself.

    The scenarios which emerge from this are:

    1. Ganguly does exceptionally well both as captain and batsman and wins both series and continues to perform well until the world cup - he continues and will be in the world cup.
    2. Ganguly does well with the bat, but India loses one series and wins one - he will continue as a batsman, but might or might not continue as captain depending on the margin of winning and losing and if he does not perform well as a batsman after these two series, he will not play in the world cup.
    3. Ganguly does well with the bat and as a captain, but India still loses both series, he will continue as long as he performs well with the bat. The moment he starts failing again with the bat, he is out of the team and the world cup.
    4. Ganguly fails as a batsman in both the series irrespective of whether India loses or wins, he is out of the team immediately after these two series.
    5. Even if he fails as a batsman in one of the series, chances are more that he will find himself out of the team.

    The fact of the matter is, there are more chances of his not being selected in the team after these two series. Chappell would gun for his ouster at the first provided opportunity. Certainly, Ganguly did not do himself any favor by cooing at the most inappropriate moment, at a time when Dalmiya himself is having problems.

    The chances of Ganguly playing in the world cup are very very bleak. I am sure Chappell doesn't/didn't include Ganguly in his vision of the Indian team playing in the 2007 world cup. Looks like he did his homework well before taking up the assignment of coaching the team. At least 3-4 other players also reduced their chances of playing in the world cup. They might improve their chances provided they bring about a positive change in their attitude towards work.

    Discussing about test and one-day captains is also an indicator of the measures being taken to get rid of Ganguly, if he failed again, without causing much hue and cry in Bengal. Ganguly could have been gotten rid of right now but it would have caused disturbances in the team, his native state, and some people would have raised the issue of giving more prominence to a foreigner and bias against the most successful Indian cricket captain ever. Honestly, considering what Ganguly has done for Indian cricket in the past, he certainly deserved one last opportunity to prove himself.

    By Blogger Pradeep, at 05:47  

  • hello ppl..i see that the War of Ganguly rages on...hmm..found this article on cricinfo...flintoff gives his views on ganguly..says alot about the indian captain..

    http://content.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/220446.html

    cheers..

    By Blogger TheChowmeinWarrior, at 05:54  

  • thechow...This is based on his experience in SG's previous county stint.This is an old story that they have pulled out to suit the current environment.Let's pull out the good stuff that has been said abt him in his recent stint with Glamorgan.If u guys want to use only his current statistics to prove his form,pls use current reports from his county mates.Apples to apples ,my dear sir

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:00  

  • Keep Casteism Away posted at www.nearlyman.blogspot.com
    Gail Omvedt writing in The Times of India(29/09/2005)(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1245774.cms) has asked Indians to “ Don’t Cheer for Your country”, and prescribes a revival of Indian sports in schools, towns, villages. The prescription is based on a very superficial understanding of India and Indians. The comparison with the American situation where parents flock to watch their children at play and where Americans cheering Boston Red Sox or the neighbourhood school shows that such phenomenon that can be seen in India also.
    Omvedt refers to decentralised patriotism called small town patriotism. Such patriotisms have existed in this country for over a century. The rivalry between Mohun bagan and East Bengal in Kolkata, St. Stephen’s and Hindu in Delhi are a part of folklore. Inter village rivalry is also not unknown and the Times of India recently reported on a tournament in Bihar where even gangsters played cricket in a 20:20 format.
    Omvedt has written a whole article without naming Cricket and refers to it as “a single game played in lands of the British Commonwealth” and “a colonial gentleman’s game”.
    In his enthusiasm to deride cricket, he refuses to see the continuing tradition of indigenous games and sport in India. In the villages Kabaddi and KhoKho are played regularly and in any number of middle class apartment blocks games like Pitto and Kho Kho are played especially in view of constraints of space.
    When people cheer Sania Mirza, Uberoi sisters and Rohan Bopanna, they are supporting players of other sports. Gail Omvedt must see DPS versus Modern basketball match to gauge local patriotism.And here local patriotism extends to things like Debate and quizzes. The annual Mukarji Memorial debate at St. Stephen’s in Delhi resembles a football match in terms of barracking.
    The article however lapses into obscurantism and assumes that only upper caste people play cricket. The India seen from Nehru Memorial Library is of course very limited, but kids can be seen playing cricket in every nook and corner in Delhi and elsewhere , often with improvised bat and ball. There is a Hindi saying that forbids anyone asking a Sadhu his caste. This applies to the Indian cricket team as well. Class, yes but caste is generally not in public domain. Swaminathan Aiyar told us in the Economic Times that Sachin Tendulkar belonged to lower middle class. We all know that Kambli lived in a chawl in Mumbai and Solkar was son of a groundsman. But do we need to know their caste? Let us promote indigenous sports and also treat cricket as an international sport widely played in India and at the same time refrain from dividing sportspersons on caste lines. And surely Gail Omvedt has heard of Palwankar Vithal who led the Hindus in the Pentangular in 1923

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 06:04  

  • When Saurav Dada batted like a Prince

    Section Columns
    Posted on Sat Jun 11th, 2005 at 10:28:29 PM EST

    After a fortnight of bad luck, rain and rustiness in the Old Blighty, Sourav Ganguly is back in the news for all the right reasons. Yet, the India skipper had to be content with a quiet dinner at Australia Test discard Matthew Elliott's residence as Glamorgan had suffered another numbing defeat on Friday.
    Ganguly's 142 off 125 balls is his first first-class hundred in two months and, hopefully, it signals a return to form. Not surprisingly, when TOI spoke to him at his Cardiff residence, he sounded relaxed. "A good start before the Indian season," he noted smugly

    Glamorgan team coach John Derrick, however, was ecstatic after watchng Ganguly's innings from close quarters. "Initially (in the first few matches) he was a bit rusty because of the change in weather and conditions. But yesterday he batted like a Prince. He has already had a tremendous impact on the side. He is active on the field and his attitude at nets has also been great," said Derrick.
    The Indian skipper too told TOI that he is enjoying his stint. "Unlike in 2000 (for Lancashire), this time I am more aware and know what is county cricket. The demands on my body and such other things..., so I know how to space myself."
    Ganguly's post-match 10-minute pep talk to the team also had, according to coach Derrick, everyone on the `edge of the seat'. "We are a very close team, especially Matthew (Elliott), Robert (Croft). So I just shared my experiences as India captain as they are a young team and look up to me," said Ganguly.

    142 runs off 125 balls ;
    4 s : 1 5 ;
    6 s : 5




    THE MOMENT

    Walking in with Glamorgan following-on, and at five for three, Ganguly couldn't have chosen a better moment to hit form. There were no instructions as coach Derrick wanted him to do his own thing. Eventually, for Derrick, it was the most destructive innings he had seen in a long time, especially against the seamers

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:06  

  • The reference to Ms.Gail Omvedt with a he is a typo.

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 06:08  

  • Hmm Ya after reading about that innnings I was also hopeful that SG was back to form,but ubfortunately no innings after that hasnt shown the same amount of fluency.Also he wasnt the captain .Did that help him recover his composure!!By the way as for as the review committee meetings it makes one thing clear that Sg has to perform well in the coming SERIES against SL.One thing that I saw in TOI which told about the players who felt that the fitness regime was too much.The player apparantely who did not complain were AK and RD.Surprising as these are the senior most players in the squad and should feel the effort more if there was a sudden increase in fitness exercise.It again proves the fact that certain players arent as fit as they should be.Just compare the speeds that ZK.AN etc hit during the world cup and the speeds they hit now,especially that theyw ere supposed to be carrying injuroes during WC!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:27  

  • Bulchee..The point i was trying to make was the selective info that one releases to justify the end.While Flintoff's writing is not something that was done in the last 2 weeks,it has been referred to ensure that SG is shown in poor light. And the latest in terms of an Eng player or coach judging him
    is abt 3 months back(June 2005)and that talks abt an inspired and inspiring SG.If one wants to point out the defects,the strengths also needs to be evaluated.
    That to me is 'fair and square'

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:39  

  • saw a certain fast bowler who is usually bitched at for being lazy last evening. was in hig spirits to say the least. but then this morning i saw him at nets bowling faster that i ever recall him bowling in the past. i dont want to take names but if he bowls like this in matches he is sure to be one heck of a threat.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:45  

  • In the madness of attacking saurav , everybody conveniently forgot the trash we delivered against kaif and yuvaraj.. Just before the zim series.

    i still feel kaif and yuvi have not delivered something extra ordinary that they are automatic choices for even the ODI format.(just my comment,but for chappel and rest of world tehy are automatic selections.. i don't knwo why?) leave the test series...

    If we give 5 years for each and every player to come through obviously the player will have a purple patch somewhere down the line .. (saurav included). Why not giuve saurav the same helping hand to regain his form...
    SG has another 2 years life time and batsman they say peak at the age of 30 ...
    i for one really believe saurav is the key compnent for WC 2007..but ofcourse not as captain
    No express bowler like bond or flin is present in every team ..
    We are too much into this fitness things ... once SG hit 2 hundreds everybody will forget abt fitness .. Fitness,fielding etc plays an important part ,but tehy are not the only one with which we need to judge a player even in ODI..

    Guys, RD will be captain of indian team and sg will score heavily and india will come to atleast the semifinal and tehn it depends on the day how we perform ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:47  

  • Hi k-slice Good Morn /afternoon.depending on where u are....I know it is ZK...why the secrecy :D

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:48  

  • dude ravi i dont want to be naming names. besides you never know , one might be in a position of being confronted once this blog has been read by certain individuals!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:50  

  • Cool.Gotcha!!

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:52  

  • all i have to say is that the seam of the ball, from comign out of his hand to landing on the wicket was perfect. great inswing too. yes inswing. had a certain left hander in quite a lot of distress!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:54  

  • k-slice..now this is getting interesting...Which part of the country are u from?? ;)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:58  

  • not from bengal.!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:59  

  • either way ravi,
    i have a couple of questions for you.
    when is india playing in pakistan?
    and has the board definitely said that they will review SG and GC fater 12 one dayers or is that just a little NDTV masala?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:16  

  • K...Was not expecting u to be from Bengal.The LH batsman anyways has decided to rest himself for a week or two.
    The review committee is supposed to meet after the SL /SA tour to take stock.We do not know the full details.They are all hearsay.Lemme check to see if I can pull out some info on this from some 'authentic' sources.

    Ind is touring Pak in Jan/Feb 06

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:53  

  • Sorry friend...no info except the one from NDTV.This must be from that lady who goes by the name of Farhana Dastur.She,infact was cribbing that the review committee had no respect for the media and she was not even told in which room the review was being conducted...Is she not expecting the moon??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 08:01  

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