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Tuesday, September 27, 2005

More on Rahul Mehra

Thanks, Flute, for this link: The Hindustan Times in this piece lists various items Rahul submitted before the Delhi High Court, which said court has asked the BCCI to consider, and respond to.
Sometime over the next couple of days, am supposed to talk to Rahul about the additions he wants to make to the PIL -- if you guys could read the above story, then post your additions, recommendations etc in the comments field here, will make sure Rahul gets it.
PS: Given this could be the most important thing this blog manages to do today, am nailing this post down to the top of the tree; later posts below.

77 Comments:

  • Thanks, Prem. I am not completely familiar with the flexibility allowed in structuring the PIL, but I want to submit some thoughts if it can serve the larger cause.

    1. Dalmiya and friends allotted equal say to each state board many moons ago. Rather than embodying any real principal of equity or just representation, it was primarily to ensure the voting support of irrelevant states from the cricketing perspective through appropriate (mis)direction of funds. He used the same strategy that propspered locally very effectively on a global scale too, on when he gathered support of Associate members in the ICC. I hope the PIL can be expanded to include an investigation of (a) how these funds were allotted proportional to the member's voting record, and (b) how the state associations utilized those funds vis-a-vis performance and cricketing infrastructure. It is worth looking at whether the one vote one state bylaw was legally established in the first place.

    2. Also, as you have pointed out in the past, the PIL should include a demand of complete financial transparency with independent audits. It may be good to present the entire petition simulataneously to the President of India, as the highest official in the Republic, requesting his recommendation of remedial measures that could be adopted to both the administration and court.

    3. Thirdly, the PIL should point out collusion of interests as Dalmiya met in private with Ganguly before the committee met as a whole. This makes a mockery of an impartial enquiry.

    4. Finally, the PIL should request for the deposition of John Wright in the court.

    Cheers.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 16:50  

  • Conduct income tax raid on every official of BCCI. Especially JD and co. Nominate an accounting firm to audit their income.

    By Blogger Ashish, at 16:56  

  • I would like the selection procedure to be less subjective. There should be a model which scores the skill of the player based on performance (domestic and international), opposite team's strength, ground conditions, match conditions (like racing to get a target in bad light etc). This model should be a dynamic and be always current. This scoring of each players skill will remove a lot of heated argument on choosing one player over another.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 16:59  

  • There should also be some sensible eligibility criteria for the candidates contesting the various regional and national elections.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 17:02  

  • I would like the selection process to be televised. It doesn't have to be for public viewing, but to keep the selectors honest, in case of controversies.

    By Blogger RM, at 17:03  

  • And off course a written constitution - regular audits should measure complaince against this constitution.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 17:04  

  • These are a great bunch of suggestions. But what has become of these "suggestions" - has BCCI responded to any of these? I dont think so. If BCCI is a privately held corporation, is there anything a court can do at all? Is the BCCI a private company? What the hell is it? WHo does Dalmiya report to? God?

    By Blogger bd2x, at 17:07  

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    By Blogger Toney, at 17:13  

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    By Blogger Melanie Alamo, at 17:17  

  • Like the govt in Sri Lanka the Indian govt should also dissolve the BCCI and setup a new cricket board.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 17:22  

  • There isn't much that Rahul hasn't covered.. Here's some I didn't see.
    1)A written transparent consitution accessible to all.
    2)CEO can be fired only if 2/3rds majority of state associations agree
    3)Accountability for National selectors. from the time they are hired.. publish the criteria by which selectors were picked.
    4)Setting up of benefit fund/pension for all retired professionals that have played for their state/country based on service.
    5)Setting up of medical rehabilitation fund for players who had to quit due to injuries

    I think there should be a caveat that till this is implemented fans will boycott a certain number of games each year and refrain from using cricket-related sponsors during that time period.

    By Blogger Narad Han, at 17:30  

  • this from Pradeep Magazine of hindustantimes.com
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/htcricket/14_1502366.htm

    talks about what was in SG's documents

    "At the game in Mutare, Chappell went out for the toss with the opposition captain while the team was still at net practice. Neither the captain nor his players knew about this. Ganguly felt terribly insulted"

    By Blogger JD, at 17:31  

  • A lot of good suggestions in Rahul Mehra's list. IMO, I think the main issues are

    1) full disclosure of BCCI operations, including publishing their constitution;)

    2) clear, sensible & well-defined rules for prompt & timely BCCI elections. I think shifting from a 1 year to 2-year calendar makes a lot of sense.

    3) Reform of the domestic system with two main goals: give promising young cricketers ample opportunity to play, practice and rise as far and as fast as their talent takes them; allow the top-tier domestic cricketers to compete regularly with the current international players in high-quality domestic matches.

    4) a good system for choosing selectors. The zonal system is not a good one, I think we all agree. But I don't know what should replace it. Will having the BCCI President (some Dalmiya-like figure) appoint selectors directly really be an improvement?

    I think some of Mr. Mehra's proposals could be twisted to crooked uses. For example, the proposal that BCCI officials not be "corrupt". Sounds good, but who gets to decide who is corrupt and who is not? We've seen Jaggu Dalmiya go after Lalit Modi based on "cocaine allegations".

    I don't know if Mr. Modi is involve in the cocaine trade, but if he is I'll have what he's smoking;)

    Really, the only thing we can try to do to improve cricket administration is to try to get good people in charge. Detailed rules and regulations may not have any effect, and at worst may be harmful, if there are bad people in charge. After all, we've seen how adept someone like Dalmiya is at twisting rules and regulations to mean the exact opposite of what they should mean;)

    John Madden, when he was coach of the Oakland Raiders, said he didn't believe in having a lot of rules as a coach, he had only three rules: Be on time, Pay attention & Play like hell when it's time to. There's something to be said for simplicity, whether it's rules for a coach or rules for the BCCI.

    By Blogger roublen, at 17:32  

  • Here is L.P.Sahi's take
    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050928/asp/frontpage/story_5293736.asp

    Strangely no mention of the 2 captain theory.

    Also says
    "In the first round itself, Sourav was asked whether he had reservations over working with Chappell. Apparently, he asked for his name to be cleared. That done, he wouldn’t have a problem."

    By Blogger Dementor, at 17:32  

  • is the review panel bound by the gag order too?

    By Blogger JD, at 17:35  

  • The board and the players represent India. Most people refer to them as the Indian board and Indian players, not BCCI and BCCI players. This cooperative society stuff does not sit well with me.

    - Annual financial disclosures from all voting members (state association officials) and office bearers.
    - Independent yearly audits
    - Annual statements to the public on the boards fiscal health, investments, ..
    - A balanced Board of Directors to oversee important decisions (reputed/uncorrupt Indian CEOs and Administrators)
    - A sound constitution that gives limited powers to the CEOs of the boards/associations and veto + firing powers to the Board of Directors.
    - Limited tenure (3-5 years) appointed for all office bearers of all boards and associations with no possibility of re-election.
    - Each year, only one third of the boards and associations would be up for election.
    - The elections should be transparent, with the contestants and voters list made public well before the election
    - Limit the discretionary spending of the officials.

    I am not sure how you can remove regionalism from the selection process and how you can make it transparent without hurting the selection process.

    The US PGA tour is closing in on donating $1 Billion to charitable causes. The BCCI has donated peanuts.

    By Blogger mip_co, at 17:46  

  • So was thinking about the issue of how to choose selectors, how's this for an idea:

    How about if we completely revamped the Duleep Trophy competition, delinking it from the Zonal system? Instead of having the 5 zones play against each other, the BCCI would first choose 5 coach/manager teams. Then there would be a draft of all the nation's players, and the coaches would go one after another, for 15 rounds, and pick the players who they would want to play for their team.

    After the coaches had picked their team, the coaches would have a two week camp to get the players together, and then they would play the Duleep Trophy matches.

    This would be a test not only for the players, it would also be a test for the coaches, since the coaches who were better would do better at picking players, and do better in the competition.

    Then the coaches/managers who did best during the Duleep competition would make a strong case that they were best qualified to be the national selectors.

    By Blogger roublen, at 17:54  

  • Prem: Good one. My first couple of suggestions (I think I'd be able to give you some more sooner or later) upon my first glance of the article is related to the last points 11 and 13 - Selection and Player Participation.

    The selection panel shall include a representative of the ICPA (nominated by the ICPA) and the minutes of every meeting of the selection meeting be documented to ensure transperancy. The selection process shall be by a combination of listing and balloting, both anonymous and non verbal. By this, I mean, each selector submits a anonymous position wise list of players who he thinks should make up the team. The players who are common to every list are the automatic selections. If any player does not find a place in the majority, then he goes on a common ballot with another round of voting. And in case of stalemate alone, the relative merits of the players in question will be discussed till the majority of the selectors are convinced one way or the other about the player.

    Since the meetings are documented, I am hoping the process shall be fair.

    My next suggestion deals with team selection while the team's on away tours.

    The BCCI shall ensure that at least one selector shall be with the team on tours with the others on call at home. Since the assumption is that the selectors shall be paid, this should not be a problem. However, if the BCCI responds that this might not be financially viable, they could ask the selector to double as the manager.

    Personally, if the BCCI says that financially the previous suggestion is unviable, I'd laugh. But since any corporate organization would want to cut costs, I am giving them a chance to do so. And moreover, the manager's position seems to be more to placate individual association heads and does not seem to serve any logical purpose, this suggestion might prove to alleviate that situation and add some logical value to the position. And I should think that doubling up as the manager would probably not affect the job of team selection. And the manager's work would also not amount to much, if the BCCI's tour planning is streamlined with schedules arranged months in advance. Presently, teams like Australia, New Zealand and the West Indies know their international fixtures till April/May of 2006. Compared to that, India's tours are never decided till the last moment, unless their opponent is a non-subcontinental team. So this might be a sub-continental malaise, but we ought to move past this mentality and once that happens, the manager's responsibilities will kind of ease.

    By Blogger anantha, at 18:01  

  • Roublen: Wow....Interesting one about the Duleep trophy!

    By Blogger anantha, at 18:14  

  • There is no mention of what actions to take if officials are found guilty of not following the constitution / rules. Should officials resign/ tried in court (thats useless)/ monetarily penalized?

    By Blogger Ashish, at 18:28  

  • thanks. anti:) I like your suggestion of having the tours planned properly in advance, rather than having everything decided at the last minute.

    By Blogger roublen, at 18:43  

  • Roublen: You don't have to be polite.. lol.. just trying to instill some common sense into the proceedings. But compliments accepted with glee :)

    By Blogger anantha, at 18:46  

  • Guys solution is not this..

    Here is a better alternative which might work better than you expect..

    Next time the non-performer Ganguly get out to a low score saving himself from the wratch of a rising ball, take your shoes off in tha stadium. Specially if you have an opprtunity in matches that are being held in India. Hurl them and thousands of them, on his face when he returns to the pavilion.. GO to stadium early and grab seats near the corridor.. Fill it up with shoes.. Make him run back to the pitch a Billy Bowden asks him to go back as HE IS OUT..

    Repeat it if needed.. Next time start it when he approaches the field.. It wil not cost you more than a fraction of the cost of the ticket that you bought..

    After that you will find that the cost is worth investing..

    If you wanna slap it harder on the face of BCCI.. keep chanting the name of CHAPPEL.. CHAPPEL.. CHAPPEL..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 19:03  

  • Sunil Nain: This is not the thread for your angst boss...But feel free to vent it out.. :)

    By Blogger anantha, at 19:11  

  • Prem:

    True. We cannot become like the Australian Team overnight even though we have an Australian Coach. The cultural and social dependencies create a scenario for the players to act/play in the fashion that is the current state of affairs. Its hard to steer the Titanic in a different direction. The first win we have here is the universal acceptance of the requirement of a "change" in the way we are going about doing our cricket "rituals" aka Selection Process, Coaching, Batting, Fielding, Keeping. Now the next big step is to implement the change. How fast, how soon this change can be implemented again depends on the cultural and social dependencies we've been living in. While the process is/will be slow, I truely appreciate our maturity in problem identification and problem verification. There is universal clarity in this. However, the problem resolution is something that will take time to implement due to synergies mentioned above. Grass roots organizations such as stirring up discussions from intellectual individuals using media such as Prem's blog site is the right thing to do to create and orchestrate a change. Hopefully, the immediate resolution of an objective selection policy, not regional, is a good first step. (Who said selection is an objective process, its always subjective :-)

    For all you know we might end up with two captains, some key stars playing only One Day Internationals and others playing only Test Matches. No matter what happens to the Cricket Administration in India, bottom line, we need to unearth talents and nurture them upto the International standards (Flintoff, Simon Jones, Kevin P, Warne, Murali).

    Good luck India.

    By Blogger GuchuGuy, at 19:23  

  • 1. Appoint a COO
    since the president is so busy doing politicking someone has to be incharge of the day to day administration. The COO should have corporate management experience

    2. Under the aegis of COO appoint Directors in charge of
    a> Infrastructure (pitches, ground conditions, practice equipment availability
    b> Scheduling (Tours, practice matches, training camps
    c> Marketing (TV rights, information capsules, Team India logo rights)
    d> HR (player issues, Injury treatment, hiring process consultants, coaches)
    e> Legal (lets face it they need one)
    f> Team Selection (Now this may come under HR with the Director of HR appointing cheif selector and 2 others. but that is implementation Each selector should have a scouting team., which will look at the matches and player performance and gather video evidence for the selector to look at.Based on which the selctors will make their decisions.
    g> R/D : Focus on game development

    By Blogger Amit, at 19:30  

  • Doesn't BCCI look similar to Lalu & Rabri Bihar Government?

    Poor guy Rahul, he is taking a lot of pain for Indian Cricket. But, I don't know whether it will solve the bigger problems though.

    But I doubt whether the most current disease of Indian Cricket, Dalmiya's problem would get cured or not. We are in India & there are lot of similarities between Bihar Government and BCCI. While Dalmiya is a Lalu (specially his comment that Greg & Sourav are like children fighting for a chocolate), and Mahendra a Rabri, who doesn't know either Cricket or Administration much. Dalmiya can always say my full time job is running indian cricket and can easily write all the businesses he owns in the name of his wife, because running BCCI is the most profitable business in India.

    May be we have to appoint a Constitution Drafting Committee comprised of few good men, like Mohinder Amarnath, Kapil Dev etgc who suffered in the hands of the Board and the selectors, rather than Gavaskar, who got lot of help, and is still getting lot of money.

    By Blogger devatha, at 19:46  

  • As proved by Zee TV, Pawar and most importantly some guy who won the case against Dalmiya's appointment as Patron-in-Chief of BCCI,the only effective way to fight BCCI is in the courts. Collect good amount of money and write a good set of very clear ground rules (some 1000 pages, since these guys are very good at finding possible loopholes in every rule)and appoint Ram Jethmalani as your lawyer. Rahul mehra is doing the absolutely right thing.

    By Blogger devatha, at 20:02  

  • Hello Prem,
    Great effort by Rahul and here are a few suggestions for the PIL:

    1. Spectator comforts such as clean sanitation at all stadiums. Various stadiums in the country are run pathetically by the bcci.There are no provisions for drinking water or clean sanittion. The BCCI needs to give a full audit of the money given to state associations for the development of facilities at stadiums.

    2. The BCCI should be prevented from calling its Team India since it does not fall under the purview of the indian government. If it chooses to do so, it has to provide all information regarding its financial activities, its constitution etc online so that it is accessible to all.

    3. A spectator complaint cell that registers complaints regarding poor facilities at stadiums, poor behaviour of authorities at stadiums, poor television coverage of domestic and international events. A certain time period should be provided by the BCCI within which the complaint wil be taken up for verification.

    4. The bcci nees to provide information regarding coaches, players, staff, commitees online. it needs to list the various activities it undertakes for players and their families such as insurance coverage , contracts for players etc.

    By Blogger The Archer, at 20:12  

  • 1. BCCI should have it's accounts and Balance Sheet audited every year without fail (in case they don't already do it). Audited accounts should be available to public, on demand (if legally possible).

    2. BCCI should maintain an archive of all cricketing events, in the form of Audio, Video or written media. Archives of (Audio/Video) all past matches should be obtained and maintained. A process should be designed which helps in obtaining archives of all matches, that will be played, smoothly.

    3. Above said archive should be replicable and be available to public for purchase.

    4. BCCI should also initiate a process of maintaining archives of all domestic matches in Audio, Video or written form (whichever possible).

    5. BCCI should be maintain a presence on web through a professional maintained web site. Public should be able to get correct information about all BCCI officials, their official contact information, contracted players etc.

    6. A process should be designed by which performance of every individual / committee is reviewed and appropriate corrective action be taken whereever performance is found below average.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 20:20  

  • second the archive of matches, ruchir.

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    By Blogger mustt_mustt, at 21:59  

  • Prem:

    The 1st point in Rahul's petition is more important: Transparency & accountability resolves most of the problems. I made a number of suggestions below, which are not implemented by other countries' cricket boards, so they make little bit out of the place. I think they are worth considering. But in India cricket is a religion and cricket bosses are crooks. Former Chief Justices of India act as observers for our board elections. At least 2 cases will be pending in various different courts on BCCI & its functioning. The board & its functioning is only going to become worse and more murkier, because of the interest being shown by politicians such as Pawar & Arun Jaitley.

    I suggest the following for acheiving this transparency:
    (i) BCCI should be responsible to Sports Ministry of India. We, the cricket lovers feel a lot of pain to call the team as "Team BCCI". It is Indian team and it should be Indian team.
    (ii) BCCI should start a website of its own, in which it should disclose all the information about its office bearers, their qualifications, their previous experience in sports and administration related matters. It should also do the same things for all of its state associations.
    (iii) BCCI should start a TV Channel of its own, in which it should telecast all the important meetings such as selection meetings, performance review meetings, its AGM, its periodic development based decision/review meetings etc. This is analogous to telecast of parliament meetings. The disciplinary related meetings doesn't have to be telecast, as it only creates lot of negative impression of the player/official concerned.
    (iv) There should be a Legal Review Committee for the BCCI, where a bench of 3 judges appointed by Chief Justice of India will hear arguments & makes the judgement. These judges should be either justices of High courts. These will also serve as the observers for elections. One of the judges will be a convener for all kinds of BCCI meetings. Any issues arising during the due course of the meeting, will be resolved by him then & there. No delay, no postponement, no dirty politics. The decision of this bench is binding and final. Any High court or Supreme court won't intervene or accept any appeal. This would help save lot of time for the esteemed high courts and supreme court.
    (v) There should be a performance review committee of the players on a full time basis. The performances will be reviewed after each tour. This review should be both constructive and suggestion making in nature. If any flaws are found in the technique or attitude of a player, suggestions should be made to the concerning player. This performance review committee should consist of a former test bowler, a batsman & a wicket keeper. No place for the board administrators here like the ones we saw in yesterday's meeting. People like Dalmiya or Mahendra are of no use in a review meeting.
    (vi) Board should maintain something like a Gazette, where all the decisions taken in various meetings are documented and reasonably explained. There should be a specific time period for implementation of all the decisions and the suggestions made by various committees.

    By Blogger devatha, at 21:59  

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  • Good one Prem.

    Telecast rights and resolution of the same, WELL AHEAD of the first day of the match.

    Has it now, not been a certainty, that on the first day of telecast, two or more TV channels filing cases against telecast at the last minute ?

    National Channels MUST be allowed to 'carry' the signals, because it is the game of millions - sports owes it to the fans.

    National channels must NOT be allowed to 'produce' - just because -it is the game of millions - DD owes it to the fans, to not 'produce' - but atleast faithfully 'carry' !

    By Blogger Arvind, at 22:51  

  • I think like in the essay, the ceo of bcci should be a professional one with an MBA degree. i would personally like an IIM or any reputed MBA running the show.

    it could also consider some eminent cricketers to run for the top job.

    there should be a management review of processes once in a while.

    BCCI should meticulously update a ranking of domestic players in different categories like batting, wicket keeping, leg spinner, off spinner, left arm spinner , fast bowlers, fielders . so that when selected for a tournament at international level the guy should exist in the top 3 of the list. this way we could check if there is a zonal bias or not.

    the selectors should be selected by a different method instead of the current process. they should be free from state assolciation pressure. they should not be selected on recomendation from state association.

    By Blogger PreHistoric Bird, at 23:02  

  • first of all bcci doesnt have a website for them. they should put their constitution there.

    they should put the domestic player bowler fielder, wicketkeeper ratings in it.



    the term prescribed 8 yrs in total is too long.

    voting should be only 1 per person.

    no body can hold more than one post in like dalmiya does

    prem delete those spam comments. spammers dont spare even this

    players should be penalised for non performance monetarily. so you know someone like ganguly
    will be playing for free for a long time. if this continues, cut their hotel stay and should
    ask them to pay for it . so that people ganguly would be paying out of their pocket and playing.

    By Blogger PreHistoric Bird, at 23:19  

  • Panix, delete the posts of spammers like andrea and alamo.

    By Blogger PreHistoric Bird, at 23:19  

  • Just make sure that the finances are transparent and all accounts are published to the penny. This will make sure only people who really want to serve Indian cricket will be in the BCCI and not those who want to get benefited. This will in turn make them appoint proper people as coaches/ selectors etc. The good intentions kind of trickle down to the grass root level.
    Televising the meetings won't do any help just like televising parlaiment proceedings won't do any help.

    By Blogger open forum, at 23:41  

  • Prem:

    My apprecaition to Rahul mehra for the Herculean task he has undertaken.

    My heart and blessing and prayers will be with him.

    There was a piece you had done quite some time ago, right after the "Vision Statement" from BCCI. Somewhere around there you had mentioned the neccesity for BCCI about maintaning a Libaray of all great matches and players in digital format.

    A BCCI library and Museum of cricket is a must. Having a permanent office at some place is a must. And transparency, with a certain amount allocated to finding , honing and deiscovering new talents. Above all, a permanent place where all offical business is conducted from. perhaps the NCA in Bangalore can be expanded to have all that a big corporate office needs to run its business

    Shakeel

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 23:48  

  • Prem:
    While there are many issues that trouble all of us about the BCCI's functioning,surely the most galling is the absolute lack of accountability that it espouses. Perhaps it is time to rethink how independent the functining of the board can actually be, considering current circumstances. Due to the AGM's postponement, certain decisions regarding constitution of committees have not been taken. What must follow is that vital steps to carry Indian Cricket forward, especially the most difficult ones will be delayed in turn, probably for months.
    Should there be accountability to the sports ministry when such events transpire? Who must be the one to watch the watchman? When a lack of mature behaviour is evident, perhaps the carrot-and-stick approach is the best, if not, the only one.

    By Blogger djlykan, at 00:28  

  • Prem
    a few friends and i are considering filing a PIL in the bombay high court restraining the BCCI from calling their team india. i dont think they represent our nation well enough to deserve such an accolade. i would like to know if anyone has already filed such a litigation and if so when. also i woul dlike to know if you (all bloggers) think this is a good idea. i am dead serious for once in my life. i cannot take the humiliation meted out by the BCCI on fans like us.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 00:47  

  • Hi Prem

    Personally I would think too much of a witch hunt in the PIL would actually ot result in anything being actually achieved. What we all want is for Indian Cricket to be run professionally and a team of committed cricketers whether they win or lose. This is because we cant mandate that the team should be the top team. we can only aspire and as long as the team tries and keeps addressing its mistakes, hopefully the actuals and aspirations would tally

    So to be brief will quote my improvements in point form
    a) transparent constitution with clarity in elections
    b) better facilities for spectators in stadiums all over india
    c) transparency by associating people of integrity with the audit of the accounts of BCCI and any state association or facility associated with it.
    d) a national selection committee of 3 with no regional representation with the captain and coach also having a say. the selection committee to function for 2 years. to take into account the realistic nature of indian culture. each region (N/S/W/E/C) can select a pool of 20 players considered as potential candidates for review by the national selection committee. the national selection commitee has the authority to select any one other than from the pool.
    e) all media rights sales to be done thru a committee which has people of integrity associated with it who can decide such as maybe Infy/Tata management sitting in.
    f) televise the selection committee meetings. am sure any network would be more than willing to pay a hefty fee for this. This makes sure the deliberations are well known and transparent and let the voting be transparent as well when an issue is voted. This will make the meetings clear and also make sure that the meetings become a revenue spinner rather than a cost.
    g) no extra constitutional authority to be encouraged. no one can be a life time president of any state association or BCCI.
    h) a full time CEO to be selected
    i) clear distribution of resources earned into domestic cricket with specific goals. for example produce atleats one pitch in each zone which encourages seam movement a lot and one with a lot of bounce and make sure that ranji matches and other important matches are played on such pitches.

    By Blogger PS, at 01:04  

  • K-slice and guys..Why have u taken this so much to heart?Last evening I saw some guys wanting to boycott Indian Cricket till SG is around and now this PIL issue that K-slice is talking about.

    Hey...cool it guy.Do u think that if a few boycott the game, things will turn out right.For every 5 people wanting to boycott, there are 100 new guys getting addicted to the game.And this would be a very conservative estimate(on the addiction part)And what makes u assume that all these people who want to boycott are actually going to do it when the game actually begins?Knee jerk reaction,I would say and very very theoritical a la GC's coaching methods.

    And why would u not watch the game if SRT and VS are playing together.It is akin to cutting off the tree because one branch is 'supposedly' weak.And why spite SG for all this??He has put forth his views.And just as GC's email was consumed in entirety, are we not bound to accept SG's view points also.

    And by shifting yr frustrations on to one guy, you are clearly sending out the message that Indian cricket revolves around SG.I am a great admirer of SG's cricket(when he is at his glorious best).But, I would still stick with him.Maybe,my patience levels are slightly higher;)

    And inspite of all that has been discussed over the last few days, why this inability to give him the benefit of doubt.

    Questions have been asked, answers have been given by the people concerned. A solution has been arrived at.Whether it is acceptable to all concerned and they will go by it, only time will tell.

    I also noted some views stating that if GC quits or is asked to leave, there will be a lot of scepticism among playesr around the world to take up a coaching assignment in India. Preposterous, I would say.

    Why would some one refuse a lucrative offer just bcos GC quits. Do not organizations find another CEO if there is attrition at the topmost level.And GC is not the be all and end all of Indian cricket.Indian cricket is bigger than the individuals.We, the fans make Indian cricket what it is today.

    Another point to be noted is that GC is the one who will lose out if he walks away or is asked to leave.Given that he does not have a great track record as a coach and what with all the skeletons from the SACA cupboard coming out now.That would be 2 out of 2 for him.And is he smart??He will continue and make the best out of this opportunity. A 50% strike rate looks better than a 100% failure rate,isn't it?

    And Prem's clever use of info...stating SACA are not doing any better than what they did in GC's time, giving the reader a different view point.I admire and applaud Prem for his great insight into the game and the periphery issues.But, I would also be the first to stand up and criticize him if there is a "feeling" that he is biased.SACA probably lost their best players when GC was around. And once the rot has set in, it is not easy to get up and start running like earlier.The process takes time. And that prolly is what is happening to SACA cricket.

    We will all have to wait and watch the next few months and no news channel or tabloid or leaked emails or the powers that be will be able to cover up bad performance either by the players or the coach.

    Justice will happen ...either way

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:57  

  • my 2 cents...
    Appoint un-biased foreign selectors. Let us say a Kapil or Gavaskar is now in the selection panel. We all know that they are more or less clean, but, dont be surprised if you eventually see lots of Haryana or Mumbai players. Avoid favouritism. Avoid Indian selectors.

    My devious friend tells me that even Gavaskar is not clean. Here is the Train of events that led him to his conclusion...

    Gavaskar Brands Indian team a chokers after loosing many finals. He is angry just like us. Voila, suddenly his son gets to play, he gets the 'Batting Coach' role, he is there in lots of panels and comitees...No more angry words from Gavaskar. Why ? Only one conclusion.

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:52  

  • ravi
    unlik eyou i beleive that all big things start small. i dont think you have comprehended my message in the past post so i will explain:
    i am against a team that the BCCI sends out to carry the name of our nation.
    the reasons behind this have nothing to do with SG in person but a lot to do with the fact that the BCCI is a shithole of an organisation where favoritism and corruption are rampant. given that more people follow cricket rather than politics i feel that the least the BCCI could do is actually start shitting instead of simply farting about professionalism. till then they should call their team the BCCI team.
    as for the boycott of indian cricket, hewre too i feel all things styart small. since yesterday i alrewady have 500 odd people in the US and UK who have signed not to pay for cricket telecasts whil ei have enlisted another 200 people in india who will not watch cricket till SG is removed from the captaince. note i said captaincy not team. the latter part, IE the boycott is my personal way of showing my displeasure. the innitial part is simply the fact that the BCCI does not represent me and using that logic, as an indian citizen, any team they send out does nto represent me either. . if you have any more questions feel free to ask me.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:58  

  • ravi
    you are arguing in an oximoronic manner. on one hand you say that we , the fans make them who they are, on the other you claim 5 people not watching cricket wont be of any use. remember we can also break what we make. either ways this is , as i stated my personal view point and i am free to hold on to it.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:02  

  • also Ravi if you think that this compromise was reached with complete trust and honesty IMHO you are worng. this compromise strategy is the worst strategy for BCCI cricket. i am sorry that i am bitter and sceptical but after having followed these clowns for 20 odd years i am sickened by the fact that we still dont do anything that might actually change the current state of cricket in india.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:05  

  • K-slice..there is nothing oxymoronic...I Am being practical.Believe me, 500 people not watching, 5000 people not watching...what difference does that make.Can u even hazard a guess of the # of people who do not get to watch for reasons other than a boycott of the proceedings??
    Has cricket lost out bcos of that??
    The other side of the coin...the # of people standing around TV retail showrooms trying to get a glimpse of the action bcos they cannot afford to go to the stadium.
    Has cricket lost out on these potential ticket sales...??

    My point still is 'we fans make Indian cricket'And these fans are not just u and me,but a whole lot of them spread across the length and breadth of the world.

    If the betting racket cld not stop the crowds from going back to the game...can anything else do it??
    There are still people around who think that Azhar is not guilty.But, some say, justice has been done...

    Every one is dispensable. U, me and everybody...bcos , there is an army of people who will not give up...come what may.

    Not for a minute did I say that this this compromise is just and honest.But, it could not have been better under the given circumstances.

    U feel frustrated because of the preconceived notion that all is not well with Indian cricket and SG needs to be removed from Captaincy.There are others who come from a different school of thought.And these two thoughts cannot meet.

    Round 1 has not favored your thought process.That is it.

    Does that mean anything to SG or GC or the BCCI??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:33  

  • And k-slice...I have been playing and watching cricket for more than the 20 years u are talking abt.Hv I not gone thru' the stuff we have been dished out...both good and bad...From SG's 36 n.o in a World Cup match to the high of World Cup wins to the frustration of the last ball six to the fall of Azhar to the public crying of Kapil Dev,the great QF in WC 1996 to the disgusting performance in SF WC 1996...And the regular squabbles in the board,between the players etc.,

    We have been thru' every conceivable twist and turn and we still talk abt it.

    That to me is the wonderful enigma that Indian Cricket is all about

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:48  

  • k-slice: how will forcing the board not to name the team TEAM INDIA help?? do you think people will not watch the game due to a simple name change? and on what basis would one claim that the team does not represent India?? That the board is corrupt?? That selection is not always on merit?? That there is favouritism??? What are your views on the following institutions with respect to the same?
    - Indian Railways: not corrupt? selection on merit? no favouritism?
    - Take any other government department, be it defense, radio, doordarshan: are we free of these issues anywhere??
    So, do u think Indian railways would be renamed as Laloo railways or something like that??? do u want it to be??? and do u think people will stop using these services / departments??
    - which sport would you / people rather follow??? football??? tennis??? atletics??? weightlifting??? : are any of these free of all these issues??
    I am not being fatalistic or pessimistic here ... on the contrary, I am of the view that the committee yesterday did what it could have .. expecting an either / or decision with voting and stuff (as made out by the media) was always foolish. Because things practically do not work that way ... two top executives / directors in a company may have a public rift, but that doesnt mean one of them is sacked ... nothing would work that way ...
    I think something positive can come out of this ... ganguly's form (or lack of it) has been now thrown into sharp focus by this entire issue ... can selectors afford to ignore it for long??? especially when they now know that the coach is unequivocally against carrying passengers ... on the other hand, if saurav is hurt enough to bounce back, all the better for Indian cricket .. for we all know what he can do, if he is still good enough ... either ways, if the team wins: good; if the team continues to lose, i dont think saurav now has much rope left after this ...
    Overally, the board may be corrupt, ineffective, incapable ... but we need to move ahead despite this

    By Blogger Keep_it_Cool, at 03:50  

  • Don't know whether this is relevant, but still no harm in mentioning it I reckon.

    Any event that BCCI receives revenue for, they should provide at least the basic information / services to the paying public.

    The exmaple I've in mind is the Videocon Cup last august in Amsterdam, where India, Pakistan and Australia were the participating teams. I live in Germany, and bought tickets for this event. Then tried to find out basic rules and regulations to be followed for this event. I think I found some, but nowhere was it mentioned what I could or couldn't carry inside the stadium.

    I then wrote mails to the BCCI, the organizers, NL cricket board. Basically any email address I could find related to the event I made use of. All I wanted was to find out whether we were allowed to carry cameras, water bottles, cellphones etc. into the stadium.

    Never received any response from anybody.

    Later learned from some Aaj-Tak journalists on site in Amsterdam that BCCI was going to share the revenue for the event along with the PCB and CA. Organizers were going to get nothing more than having their expenses met.

    Tickets were not cheap, the organization was bad. There were definitely more than 15000 people there, and only three men's and women's toilets each to serve so many people on a rainy, soggy day (I was there for the Ind-Pak game), the queues for the toilets were about 100 meters long.

    Thats just one example, it took forever to enter the stadium (if you could call it that) and so on.

    I could handle it, having fought my way into Nehru and Kotla stadiums in the past, however the total lack of information about everything is frustrating to say the least.

    In the end people carried everything you could imagine inside (I only carried a pair of binocoulers).

    The point I'm trying to make is, BCCI sure made money on this event (and Videocon sure lost). The least they're expected to do is provide some basic service / information to the paying public, who are but their customers.

    By Blogger Anurag, at 04:18  

  • ravi point taken.
    i am still going to go ahead and do whatever i can.
    so basically lets agree to disagree and move on.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:33  

  • K-slice..Yr decision.But, we will continue to have these healthy discussions on this wonderful blog.Has given me an opportunity to interact with some amazingly mature people, some funny people and some downright crazy.

    No flattery..but u definitely fall in the first category..irrespective of what other pro-SG guys have to say

    Cheers

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:46  

  • Hi guys,

    Forget about Ganguly, yaar..

    When would they announce team for Sri Lanka series?

    Do we have to wait until Challenger series?

    Would Sachin play?

    Any chance of seeing a new RIGHT-HANDED fast bowler in the lineup?

    ......
    ......

    By Blogger Cric_Crack, at 05:13  

  • http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/220356.html

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:19  

  • Hi Prem,

    I have 2 'humble' suggestions for Rahul Mehra:

    (1) Force BCCI to launch their WEBSITE as soon as possible.

    (2) This site/portal should provide maximum information about ALL the registered players in the country with links to statistical data.

    what say Ravi, k-slice, etc ?

    ...

    By Blogger Cric_Crack, at 05:31  

  • Way to go K-slice.Thats correct I am eoth you.Yes you rightly these people have no right to run the team india.Who the hell is S.K Nair?Whats his organisational skills?We need to do this a selection committe whose members are selected based on set critieria.The BCCI Presidnts post should be aboloshied and we need to appoint aome one as ceo.someone from sports background who has orginazational quailities.Also abolish all honuary posts.TRDO that has been set up should report to NCA chief,who should also head TRDO.He should aslo be a foriegner.They can think of Steve Rixon and give him a free hand(with Robin Singh as his assistant).Also pay more to domestic teams.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:50  

  • Bulchee...agreed that people with organisational skills should be appointed for the post of CEO etc.,But, can't understand this fixation for foreigners for the various positions.When the whole world is looking at outsourcing jobs to Inida, we seem to be eager to outsource some critical jobs to foreigners(with or without proven skills).I think Indians are better managers..

    And cric_crack...yes a website with complete data is something that is needed while cricinfo does provide amazing data.But,nothing like a home built one

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:57  

  • Ravi the NCA has been running for the last what 4 years.Tell me their achievements.The posts are being chnaged every year ,every year a new batting coach,etc etc.The ones who have been selected havent done anythign special .Havent seen any player come put form NCA and have a standout season thats why mate.And if you see my post I have mentioned Robin Singh as assiatnt coan and somebody who should take over in 2 years time!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:04  

  • Bulchee...point noted:)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:06  

  • Also use our greats like Prasssana,Bedi ets as coachs in NCA.Also as far as allrounders its better we look at developing Spinning Allrounders rather than Fast bowlers

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:23  

  • ravi,
    thanks for the compliment. and i return it with equal respect for you.
    anyways,
    i still havent found the answer to this googly:
    who is going to name the team for the lanka series?
    or are the current selectors going to carry on till the election?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:26  

  • this is what i would do if i were greg(obviously its my opinion)
    sit back, crack open a cold one, light up a ciggy and chill.
    if the BCCI is hell bent on not listening to him and he obviously has absolute job security then why worry. he cant be faulted for not trying so if we win the WC he will say look i learnt the desi way and showed results. if we lose he will simply say you guys didnt listen to me so why blame me?
    win win situation and 175000 dollars to boot every year.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:31  

  • guys,
    this arrangement is also a nice one for indian cricket...
    Now taht teh issue is blown out of propositiopn everybody (fans,sceptics,critics,sponsors) look for cricket action.
    I really feel JD for all his faults ,bindra nad co want to market indian cricket hugely so loss of revenue will hurt them if sponsors are not intrsted.

    We cna see a united and hungry India take on teh opposition ... just the way india after match fixing went abt their targets ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:58  

  • Ganguly's rebuttal

    Chappell wants to be boss of the team
    • He himself sleeps in the dressing-room, but expects total commitment from the team
    • He says one thing to your face and another behind your back
    • He did ask me to step down on the eve of the first Test
    • He passed a statement on my elbow injury without full knowledge
    • He only talks of selection, and not strategy, in team meetings
    • Players are scared to tell him their problems, because he uses that against them

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:02  

  • K-slice..Obviously with the elections not happening, I guess the BCCI will go to the court and seek special permission to nominate the Marketing Committee and Selection Committee and only in that order(with the best interests of Indian cricket in mind).Mktg committee nominations mean 'power' to those guys and which in turn converts into votes when the elections do happen.Which means,as we all know, Sharad Pawar and IS Bindra will be included.With that problem out of the way, Selection committee will be hand picked and the rest.... we are all clever people here,so I don't need to elaborate.

    If Court permission is not recd or not reqd, status quo will be maintained which would mean the current Selection Committee will continue till further notice

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:23  

  • ravi
    i dint quite get you. if sharad pawar has any power i guess dhiraj jadhav should start celebrating now itself!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 07:34  

  • it is interesting that both sides want to ask RD for his inputs on the current drama ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 08:05  

  • K-slice...People in Mktg Committee are seen to be more powerful than the rest.That is the reason, JD got Bindra nominated last time..keep him happy.Will do the same(or has already)with Pawar.
    And if Pawar is in any committee,Dheeraj Jadhav will have a whale of a time as a tourist.Unfortunately, we are not touring till beginning of 2006

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 08:18  

  • actually ravi,
    knowing pawar and his manipulative abilities he will get dhiraj jadhav into the actual team. mark my words. ajit pawar, his nephew is the guardian minister and has already begun making noises about how poona has never really got a chance blah blah and that we only seem to get our boys in as tourists. so hopefully even by means other than those that should be used DJ might get into the team.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:29  

  • k-slice:

    A petition was already filed on the same issue by BCCI themselves, calling BCCI team as Team India. This petition was an off-shoot of Rahul Mehra's petition on BCCI's working style. BCCI had argued that its team is not Indian team so BCCI can not be answerable to PILs that challange its authority.

    Supreeme Court ruled that although BCCI does not represent Indian Govt., they still do public service by conducting cricket matches in India. Court also recognized that cricket is the most followed game in India. Hence, court came to a decision that, keeping in mind the above observations, BCCI team is, in spirit, representing India. So, court allowed BCCI Team to be called as Indian Team and also allowed BCCI to use Ashok Chakra as emblem on their caps and helmets.

    So, you should keep this decision in mind while filing your PIL.

    However, all the best to you from me.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 09:11  

  • k-slice

    I agree with you in principle. For far too long this ramshackle bunch of goons called the BCCI has been hijacking the most beloved sport of India's people. It is time for the people to have a say in who runs the organization.

    Ravi,
    You are probably missing the spirit in which the PIL was proposed. I used to be a big fan of SG's captaincy (not his batting). But this whole episode has left a bad taste. On top of this there was the utterly predictable way BCCI handled the whole affair. BCCI is basically a golden goose for any politico or wannabe politico and sure as sun, if people let this slide, it will very soon be a mirror image of the political setup in India (if it hasnt already become that).

    Bottom line - K-slice: count me in that PIL.

    By Blogger bd2x, at 09:23  

  • Telecast all the BCCI proceedings live.. This is a triple whammy.
    We can all see the oscar level performances of all the wise men associated to BCCI.
    BCCI can charge money for this.
    Our own DD can make money on this.

    If this had happened on Chappell vs Ganguly case, we might have seen a different ending.

    By Blogger Srini, at 09:28  

  • thanks for all the information guys.
    i just got off the phone with a lawyer and he said pretty much the same thing. the only difference was the eh said it might be a good odea to file a PIL staing that the BCCI should be responsible to 50 fans who will be replaced every year. this might be extremely hard to do considering it is a private body. in that case if they say they are private then they will have to stop calling any team that they send out india.
    well im off. i will let you guys know more as and when it comes up.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 09:35  

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