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Saturday, September 24, 2005

Now that's torn it

So here we go -- the full text of the mystery email is out; and judging by the contents, the Board and the selection committee are now in one hell of a bind.
As long as the public only knew the abridged contents, compromise was possible -- now, when the selectors make a decision, they will need, with the elephant firmly ensconced in the public living room, to explain their decision, or there could be hell to pay. The key points Saurav will need to answer are:
Mr Ganguly came to me following the recently completed tri-series of one-day matches here in Zimbabwe and asked me to tell him honestly where he stood as a player in my view.

Chappell is saying, here, that the first conversation took place well ahead of the first Test -- contrary to the impression created that it was in fact either on the eve of the Test or during it.
A number of times during the tri-series the tour selectors had chosen a team and announced it to the group only for Sourav to change his mind on the morning of the game and want to change the team.
As long as it is one person's word against the other's, it's one thing -- but if the tour selectors are involved, that is additional witnesses/evidence, that will need to be refuted.
I also raised the matter of selection for the first Test with Sourav and asked him where he thought he should bat. He said ‘number 5’. I told him that he might like to consider opening in the Test as the middle order was going to be a tight battle with Kaif and Yuvraj demanding selection.
This seems to confirm what has been previously floated -- that GC suggested Saurav go up top in the order in the Tests, and SG wanted to remain in the middle.
When I enquired as to what had happened Sourav said he had felt a click in his elbow as he played a ball through the leg side and that he thought he should have it investigated. Sourav had complained of pain to his elbow at various stages of the one-day series, but he had resisted having any comprehensive investigation done and, from my observation, had been spasmodic in his treatment habits, often not using ice-packs for the arm that had been prepared for him by John Gloster. I suggested, as had John Gloster, that we get some further tests done immediately. Sourav rejected these suggestions and said he would be ‘fine’. When I queried what he meant by ‘fine’ he said he would be fit for the Test match. I then queried why then was it necessary to be off the field now. He said that he was just taking ‘precautions’.
and
The next day I enquired with a number of the players as to what they had thought of Sourav’s retirement. The universal response was that it was ‘just Sourav’ as they recounted a list of times when Sourav had suffered from mystery injuries that usually disappeared as quickly as they had come. This disturbed me because it confirmed for me that he was in a fragile state of mind and it was affecting the mental state of other members of the squad.
will bring Gloster into it; in all likelihood, Chappell during the review committee will name the players who made those remarks, and they will be questioned.
Sourav then said that if I didn’t want him to be captain that he would inform Rahul Dravid that was going to stand down. I reiterated that it was not my decision to make but he should give it due consideration under the circumstances but not to do it hastily. At that point Sourav went to Rahul and the two of them conferred briefly and then Sourav left the field and entered the dressing room. At that stage I joined the start of the training session.
As till this point, there is no point where GC appears to have told SG to step down -- he apparently (and yes, this is only one side of the story) repeatedly told SG that it had to be his own decision, and it had to be taken at the right time.
But of all that has been said in this email, to my mind the most damaging part -- and the one which, if true (do note, again, this is one side of the story; VVS Laxman will now need to appear before the committee), is unpardonable:
At the completion of the Test match I was approached by VVS Laxman with a complaint that Sourav had approached him on the eve of the Test saying that I had told Sourav that I did not want Laxman in the team for Test matches. I denied that I had made such a remark to Sourav, or anybody else for that matter, as, on the contrary, I saw Laxman as an integral part of the team. He asked how Sourav could have said what he did. I said that the only way we could go to the bottom of the matter was to speak to Sourav and have him repeat the allegation in front of me.
I arranged for a meeting with the two of them that afternoon. The meeting took place just after 6pm in my room at the Rainbow Hotel in Bulawayo. I told Sourav that Laxman had come to me complaining that Sourav had made some comments to Laxman prior to the Test. I asked Sourav if he would care to repeat the comment in my presence. Sourav then rambled on about how I had told him that I did not see a place for Laxman in one-day cricket, something that I had discussed with Sourav and the selection panel and about which I had spoken to Laxman at the end of the Sri Lankan tour. (If this bit is true, there are two points that merit making: One, that GC discusses a player's prospects with him, even if it is negative; and two, that if Saurav twisted a statement in one context and placed it in another, and if Laxman supports that, then SG deserves to go if only for this one reason.)
Sourav mentioned nothing about the alleged conversation regarding Laxman and Test cricket even when I pushed him on it later in the discussion. As we had to leave for a team function we ended the conversation without Sourav adequately explaining his comments to Laxman.
Again, this is not an isolated incident because I have had other players come to me regarding comments that Sourav had made to them that purports to be comments from me to Sourav about the particular player. In each case the comments that Sourav has passed on to the individual are figments of Sourav’s imagination. One can only assume that he does it to unnerve the individual who, in each case, has been a middle order batsman.
As relates to the key questions of preparation, there is this:
Greg King’s training reports continue to show Sourav as the person who does the least fitness and training work based on the criterion that has been developed by the support staff to monitor the work load of all the players.
We have also developed parameters of batting, bowling, fielding and captaincy that we believe embodies the ‘Commitment to Excellence’ theme that I espoused at my interview and Sourav falls well below the acceptable level in all areas. I will be pleased to present this documentation when I meet with the special committee in Mumbai later this month.
And finally:
As I said to you during our meeting in Colombo, I have serious reservations about the attitude of some players and about Sourav and his ability to take this team to a new high, and none of the things he has done since his reappointment has caused me to change my view. In fact, it has only served to confirm that it is time for him to move on and let someone else build their team toward the 2007 World Cup.
This team has been made to be fearful and distrusting by the rumour mongering and deceit that is Sourav’s modus operandi of divide and rule. Certain players have been treated with favour, all of them bowlers, while others have been shunted up and down the order or left out of the team to suit Sourav’s whims.
John Wright obviously allowed this to go on to the detriment of the team. I am not prepared to sit back and allow this to continue or we will get the same results we have been seeing for some time now.

Interesting, that Chappell has spoken to the review committee about all this even before the team got to Zimbabwe; it tends to undercut the belief that the email was sent in retaliation for SG's press statements.
Another thing that plays into general knowledge is the bit about John Wright, in the latter part of his tenure, shrugging his shoulders and allowing the situation to develop its own dynamic -- I had, during the Pak series, suggested that I thought he had just given up on the whole thing and was marking time till he could end his tenure and walk away, and it would seem that was correct.
Now the committee has its work cut out -- they need to talk not just to Chappell and Ganguly, but to the individual team members, in camera. And the even more crucial part of their job is that they will need to not just take a decision, but deliver their verdict, answering point by point the questions now in the public domain.
This particular elephant, I am afraid, just won't go away.
And I still want to know which member of the BCCI leaked this letter -- whether there will be an effort to find the leak, whether there will be an effort to punish the leaker. Because one thing is clear -- Indian cricket did not need this; and whatever his faults may have been, neither did Saurav Ganguly.
PS: I am very grateful to one friend who sms-ed me (suggesting, somewhat tongue in cheek, that I get my butt off the beach because the email was now public) and to another regular reader of this blog, Balaji Kandaswamy, for alerting me to the link via email. With guys like you, a blog of this kind is fun to do. Thanks again, appreciate it greatly.

147 Comments:

  • Thanks to all of them who spotted the letter. Amazing story.... if this is what happened, then I am shocked that we have a Captain who is not in a stable state to lead the team. We do not need these games right now.
    It is time for Dravid to take on more responsibility. He has an awesome record and is controversy free to a great extent.
    I have always wished he was made the captain. I was surprised when Ganguly was made the vice captain and later on the captain few years ago.
    The close debate over the captaincy issue in the last selection meeting indicated how close they were in removing Ganguly. I think it would be unanimously decided that Dravid would take over. However, i would like them giving the vice captain's position to Kaif (Reasons: Proven experience and leadership skills, team player, good motivator on the field, good technique, can hold his own in both forms of the game, does not have a big ego).

    Prem, Worma others......

    Would like to hear who your choice of vice captain would be????

    By Blogger Vins, at 21:24  

  • http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=78835

    from the article:
    His straight-talking has cut to size one dashing left-hander — ‘‘You have a long way to go’’ — and a key batsman, who was told, ‘‘You can have all the talent in the world but it’s no use if you don’t convert 40s into big scores’’.

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 21:27  

  • Wow...just wow. :-{

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 21:28  

  • The thing that annoys me is why purported seniors or anybody else in the team did not bring this to notice earlier. I am referring to the "Just Sourav" comment that players were said to have made in response to GC's question about SG's injury. Is this one of those "Dressing Room" conversations that must not be made public? Agreed, these conversations should not be made public, but I would like to know if established players of the team ever brought this up to the selection committee.

    I would like to hear from Tendulkar, Dravid, Kumble and Sehwag about what if anything they did about it. This puts thoughts in my mind that all players care about is self-preservation and do not give a damn about country & team.

    I was naive to think that professional sport especially when it's to do with country, is free of office politics. Cheap at that even. Bastards.

    By Blogger mamu, at 21:30  

  • Prem - so you are suggesting that now because this email is out in public, BCCI will have to do something.. BUT, since when has BCCI become so responsive to public opinion.. Just like they once had a private coversation with Azhar to reprimand him ( I cant remember the exact details right now) .. cant they say that they have talked to SAurav and he has agreed to mend his ways.. and thus sweep everything under the carpet? After all, the Jaggu mafia is still in charge until next year, no? It is a different issue whether GC will accept it.. I have a sneaky feeling that GC will be sacked.

    By Blogger Tiger, at 21:33  

  • yeah, I changed my mind. I thought it might be worth it to clear the air. But having this email released won't clear the air. Instead, it might break hearts, and might shatter some people's faith in Indian cricket.

    IMO, in cricketing terms, Chappell is dead wrong about Ganguly not deserving a place in the team. At this point, in tests, I'd rate Ganguly slightly ahead of Kaif, and Kaif a clear notch ahead of Yuvraj.

    In terms of captaincy, I agree that Ganguly has lost focus and should be replaced by Dravid. Chappell's accusations of nervousness and erratic behaviour, in the end, are pretty subjective, and will depend on your own biases, whom you are inclined to believe, and whether you look forward to the prospect of a Dravid captaincy.

    Also, The accusation that Ganguly shied away from the new ball is also not a smoking gun. I don't think that it's impossible that Ganguly "felt a click" and decided to treat it. It's impossible to prove one way or another, and it's unfair to Saurav to assume he's guilty just because you're not inclined to believe him.

    I think Saurav way overreacted to Chappell saying Saurav did not deserve a place in the team. Saurav simply could have said I disagree", and left it at that. Instead he got Dravid and Chaudhary involved, when there was really no need to do so.

    Then the Bhogle interview. Saurav clearly should have kept his mouth shut. Why he didn't, whether it was a momentary carelessness or deep politicking, nobody knows.

    The accusations of insufficient commitment to fitness could be pretty easily rectified by Saurav working harder at it. I think he has been, recently.

    Then, the last, ugliest, and hardest to dismiss accusaton. That Ganguly has been saying things to Laxman and unspecified "middle order bats".

    I don't think Laxman did anything wrong, necessarily, but I think he could have handled it much better. He didn't have to go to Chappell and say "Saurav said you didn't want me in the team." Instead, he could have gone to Chappell and asked "Where do I stand in the team? How would you assess me as a player?", and he could have left Saurav's name out of it, at least in the beginning. He might wish he had done that when this is all over.

    But it's possible that Laxman could have been angry at Chappell, and then could have been angry at Ganguly for saying things that were not quite true. Obviously Saurav shouldn't have told Laxman that Chappell wanted him out.

    In Saurav's defense, however, if Chappell emphatically doesn't want Laxman in the ODI team, and Chappell looks upon Yuvraj and Kaif as his prize pupils, it's not an outlandish inference that Laxman's place in the team is a little shaky. That could be Saurav's defense: that he was just making a reasonable inference.

    So I think there's still enough room for reasonable doubt here, and enough room still for the best compramise solution: Ganguly in the team, Chappell as coach, Dravid as captain. I think that's what would be best for Indian cricket.

    In these circumstances, I think Dravid would be a strong, sensible captain, knowing when agree with Chappell, when to disagree with hm, and best suited to providing the communication, empathy and listening skills that Chappell so clearly lacks.

    But Chappell has knowledge and drive, and those are valuable qualities as well. I think he still has a lot to contribute to Indian cricket, and this could yet be a success.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:37  

  • Roublen - GC had already spoken to Laxman after the LAnka tour and told him that in his view Lax was not fit for the ODI team.. SO.. Lax knows that GC is frank in sharing his opinion with the player concerned.. so now when SG comes and tells him that GC doesnt want him in the Test team.. naturally he will be confused.. that why GC didnt directly tell him so.. since he was forthright in his ODI assessment.. why not tell him directly about his Test place also.. so he went and asked GC that this is what SG is telling me.. is it true... You cant find fault with Laxman. the guilty party is SG and if not for anything else, for this reason alone - planting false rumours and creating insecurities within his own players.. SG MUST GO!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 21:45  

  • tiger, I'm not saying Laxman did anything wrong. But if he had talked to Chappell without bringing Saurav's name into it, it might have been a better outcome. He might have then gone to Dravid or Kumble and said "Saurav is telling me this, Chappell is telling me this, what should I do?" Then Dravid or Kumble could have handled this discreetly.

    Now it's all going to come out in public, and no one is going to like the fallout. Ganguly still has a lot of support, and if he's disgraced, it's going to be damned ugly. That's why I think there has to be a partial reconciliation, with Ganguly in the team for the time being.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:52  

  • in addition to the fact that I thing Ganguly still deserves a spot in the eleven, on the cricketing merits.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:53  

  • You know what? I think the board needs to get to the bottom of this, and there are only two ways to look at it.
    If the incident did not happen, GC needs to be sacked, summarily.
    If it did in fact happen, SG needs to be sacked. Equally summarily. And if any member or members of the team don't like it, they need to go, too.
    There is no point in us lamenting that there is no team spirit in the side, and then when an incident like this crops up, to try looking for 'compromise' solutions. Draw a line in the sand, once, and hold the line, and you will put an end to politics. Compromise, and you will do it over and over again, because one leads inevitably to the next.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 21:55  

  • roublen. what are you talking about man? There must be no half-measures now. If GC's email is true, SG must go. No reconciliation, no pussy footing, nothing. What respect is he going to have now both from within the team and outside? Can you even imagine the sledging he will be subjected to.

    By Blogger mamu, at 22:00  

  • Wow,
    I knew things were bad, but if this e-mail is to be believed, and I see no reason to question it, things are an absolute MESS! I simply cannot understand why a captain and that has done many good things for Indian cricket would stoop so low and become this manipulative. Given the Laxman incident, it is painfully obvious Ganguly puts his best interests above that of his team and country. Surprising, because I always thought Ganguly was the first captain in Indian history to rid the team of the sort of behavior he apparently is guilty of himself. Honestly, reading this e-mail is very depressing and paints a grim picture for the season to come. However, I feel when facing such adversity, it provides the team the opportunity to excel, provided the right decisions are made. If the information contained within the e-mail has any truth to it, especially the part concerning the conversation with Laxman, I see no other option but to remove Ganguly from international cricket for good. Therefore, it is paramount that Laxman be called on to verify the legitimacy of Chappell's claim. If verified, simply removing Ganguly from the captaincy is not good enough. He must be made an example of as to what sort of behavior is completely unacceptable and a DISGRACE TO THE NATION. He must be told unequivocally that regardless of any first-class performances from here on out, there is absolutely no way back into the team. Just writing this post hurts, for Ganguly is a player/captain I had immense respect for. I just hate to see a hero fall in this manner.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 22:01  

  • guys, it is simple. if what GC says in the email is true - i.e. supported by facts and statements by others in the team - Gangs has to go (oh, what a tragedy - one of the best cricket players India has ever produced going down in this manner..it really hurts an indian cricket fan like me!). If it is not, GC has to go. Bottomline : no individual (GC or SG) is greater than the team.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:02  

  • Absolutely.
    And I think we are over analyzing all this.
    The review will take place in a couple of days time.

    I S Bindra seems to be talking some sense
    http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=78813

    Prem, what do u think about Mr Bindra?
    same as other BCCI clowns?

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 22:02  

  • Prem,

    The thing that might happen though is when players are called in to ask for facts and they say they don't recall saying so and so to GC. In which case it will turn out to be one's words over another case.

    Hope the committee handles this with some thought.

    By Blogger mamu, at 22:04  

  • I thing along with SG/GC, the board official who made this email public shud go as well
    How dare they make Indian Cricket a laughing stock

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 22:05  

  • You know, there is one other lesson to take from this, irrespective of how it turns out -- it is time to stop raising human beings to superhuman status; it's time to back the team as an entity, based purely on its performance, not root for individual components thereof.
    Time and again, questions have been raised -- and shouted down, with the questioners being labelled 'anti'.
    There is merit in asking hard questions, in public debate. It does not indicate 'hatred', as is sometimes interpreted -- a person who questions the country's direction does not necessarily hate India, it could be that he or she loves India and wants it do better. And that is equally true of the national team, and its players.
    Like the guy said, my country (my team) right or wrong -- when right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be made right.
    Our problem is we tend to ignore the second part of that saying -- it is just my country (my team, my personal hero) right or wrong, period.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 22:07  

  • Hi Prem, this story has to come out. There is nothing to regret. When things reach a point such as this, it is high time we know the truth.

    By Blogger ahem, at 22:09  

  • shyam: Of all the guys in the BCCI, he is one person I have tremendous respect for. Everyone who was in the BCCI when he was president vouches for his administrative ability; proof of the pudding is in what he has done with Mohali, despite being out of favor with the powers that be, despite the association time and again being deliberately starved for funds, Mohali is today the best venue to play, and watch, cricket in (sure, the Gardens is the best for atmosphere -- but that is because of a lakh-plus passionate supporters). He dug up the entire stadium, he tracked in the best soil he could find, he roped in foreign experts, he rebuilt the ground from bottom up, and he created around it a stadium with excellent facilities -- and all this, while out of favor. I like that guy, frankly (and the funny thing is, before anyone asks, no, he is not a friend; we have spoken on about four occasions, on three of those very briefly).

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 22:11  

  • mamu: I doubt it. Had posted on this blog before, that the 'unity' in this dressing room everyone tom toms is pretty much a sham, and that SG is not as 'popular' as urban legend holds him to be. I've heard stories; every journalist who covers the cricket beat has heard stories -- and so have the selectors and others. Thing is, it all kept getting swept under the carpet; journos couldn't write, and the selectors and the board wouldn't act. What has now happened is GC has opened the door wide, put the elephant firmly in the middle of the living room, and in effect said, ignore this if you can.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 22:13  

  • prem :I agree - on GC putting elephant in the living room. About time, somebody did this. In some sense, it is unfair for the board to ask him to jump as high as possible while tying his legs to the floor. I admire GC for his guts. You agree to an objective and rules of engagement..and then get on with the job. GC appears to be doing this. I think the BCCI, Ganguly - did not realize this because they do not understand how a professional organization works. BTW, i do not buy this "we indians cannot be professionals" crap. We have world-class professional organizations - Infosys, Wipro etc. It is a shame that BCCI has not yet reached that level.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:19  

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    By Blogger Tiger, at 22:20  

  • Prem,

    But why would SG suddenly lose it against the new ball so suddenly. I remember him tonking Flintoff in the Natwest final, the Brisbane 100. A loss of confidence can always be rectified. I hope he comes back from this even stronger as a batsman.

    By Blogger mamu, at 22:22  

  • If you read the interviews of senior memebres - RD, SRT, AK etc. during the last 2 years, it is very obvious that they dont think very highly of SG. Not that they have talked poorly of him, But whenever they have been asked about the team's success, they have never ever mentioned SG's captaincy or leadership skills. At that time, I was thinking y they dont mention it. Now the pitcure is getting clearer.

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 22:22  

  • I sent this CONFIDENTIAL e-mail to RSM and SKN. I fear RSM forwarded this CONFIDENTIAL e-mail to his "boss" JD, who leaked it CONFIDENTIALLY to the "local" media.

    By Blogger GregChappell, at 22:26  

  • Roublen suggest.. Please note that ganguly deserve a place in the team on merit alone..

    On what grounds.. We played with pakistan in recent series with 10 players. You know who the duck was. Dont you. Same is the story afterwards.. Only things that changed is the noodle joke. People are finding it difficult to modify the joke further now.

    And not to forget, he jumped like a scared cat against Bond. He is very likely to do so against Pak and Eng bowlers again. Mind you Joysa and Malinga are not bad in sending bouncers.

    Fielding and bowling .. he deserve to be in a team If and only if there is a place in the field where ball would not go..

    Ofcourse he is trying to de-stablize the team... specially the middle order.. Its so damn clear.. If he cant make any more runs, he needs to have someone to point to - he this block is as bad too..

    And this is the reason he wants to push LAX out so that he can some breathing space.. Yuvi fits better than kaif in hi plans because he is occasional gun.. some odd performance can be used to keep him in the team, and the string of failure to justify Mr. Ganguly's selection..

    And if there are two three poor bats in the team.. in after match press conferences Ganguly can always say "Hey pitch was tough.. they bowled well. middle order needs to respind better.. and more crap".

    Not only Ganguly has to go.. Yuvi, Zaheer, Nehra and every one of his cronies have to go.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:35  

  • Here's a problem. I think most of us recognize the professionalism that is in GC's message. He writes cogently, marshalls his arguments, and lines up his ducks properly. However, are the intended recipients capable of parsing it and understanding its contents? Will they simply see it as an extension of something one of them would do, merely a bombastic statement of political intent? I would really like to see a detailed point-by-point deconstruction from someone morbidly pro-Ganguly. Er, well, on second thought, I don't know if I will have to stomach to read such a thing. But I am curious: how will this be spun?

    By Blogger idlivada, at 22:37  

  • mamu: Boss, who can say when the confidence begins to go -- and how you will react, when it does?
    Ironically, just to get the bad taste out of my mouth, I thought I would watch some video of the team doing well.
    Picked the world cup package -- and was reminded of his statement that he had sacrificed the opening slot to Sehwag. Excuse me -- he opened in the WC, in the first two games. And by the end of game two, the uproar was so huge, Sachin had to step forward and make a statement to mollify the people back home. It is from the third game that he slipped into the middle order and promoted Sehwag -- *after* failing at the top.
    He did play a grand knock -- no, not the century against Namibia, was just watching him v Sri Lanka; not as many runs, but the old authority and command were back. But otherwise, it was a pretty ordinary effort -- including that ball one duck v Pak.
    Oh well. Let me go watch more good cricket. This is bloody depressing.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 22:38  

  • I also havent seen a bigger lier than LP Sahi..

    People also dont seem to differenciate between success and failure.. A captain who wins only 1 out of 20 finals.. HAS TO GO. Some here come up with the logic that there re 11 players in the team. But they also need to be aware of the fact that its the captain who has the most resposibility... Sourav Ganguly as a player, less said the better.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:40  

  • Prem, I has video of a lot of mather since the VB series.. I also use them to brighten myself up sometimes. Ofcourse I dont waste my cassettes for mathes against minnows..

    Any video that I pick up.. Just blindly.. I have never seen him playing even OK. Ganguly is just a disgrace.. His occasional fifties are either too slow.. or made against really poor bowling on flat tracks and when score is 290/3 or something like that..

    Offcourse people dont realize that in so many matches, we are 290/3 and we get out for under 400 in a test match. You know why "Ganguly is a consistent failure in all of those occasions" and it has turned us into a B team inspite of all the bravado and fluent starts from Sehwag etc..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:45  

  • Prem: I quote GC's email: "I was so concerned about the affect that Sourav’s actions were having on the team that I decided I could not wait until selection meeting that evening to inform him that I had serious doubts about picking him for the first Test.

    "I explained that, in my view, I felt we had to pick Kaif and Yuvraj following their good form in the one-day series and that Sehwag, Gambhir, Laxman and Dravid had to play."
    To me, this seems to me imply that Greg wanted SG to rule himself out of the first test. I do not see how GC can insist that at no stage he asked SG to step down.
    BTW, lest I be misunderstood, I believe that SC does not merit a place in our starting XI.
    I am wondering whether others see a contradiction here.

    By Blogger Samir, at 22:49  

  • oh yeah! I remember that world cup duck against Pakistan. Was at the ground and totally confused when Kaif walked in next. Why no Dravid? Was going so well upto that point. Only Waqar came out for the awards ceremony after the game and I remember Srinath throwing out Beer cans (I think) to the crowd assembled below the dressing room. Fond and lasting memories.

    By Blogger mamu, at 22:50  

  • idlivada: You are on the spot man re: whether BCCI even has it in them to understand the true intent of the email or not..let alone do the right thing! As the old saying goes - "A prince who is not wise, cannot be advised" - Machiavelli. I think GC's intentions are honest and in the best interests of Indian cricket..the problem is do the administrators "get it". Perhaps, this is the "cultural difference" that GC needs to understand. How sad?

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:51  

  • samir: Read that in context of the earlier bit, where GC suggests SG open the innings -- which seems to indicate GC wasn't ruling SG out of the side.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 22:53  

  • Sahir, Idlivada and others

    I share your feelings and thoughts. I hope the BCCI decisionmakers understand that this is professional sport, not petty politics. Shame on SG & BCCI!!

    May God save the Indian team. We can just hope that the team would come out stronger after this huge mess.

    By Blogger Vins, at 22:54  

  • Prem: GC had had this discussion about SG opening before the tour match. After the "feigning injury" incident, GC seems to have revised his opinion. At least that is how I see it. Do read the piece again.

    By Blogger Samir, at 22:56  

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    By Blogger Vins, at 22:57  

  • Prem,

    Interesting article on BBC.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4275152.stm

    Nice to see some quotes from Darren Lehman about Chappell


    "Chappell is very strong. If he has an opinion on something he will stick with it," Lehmann said.

    "He is always trying to better the side, so if he thinks something is a good move, he will do what he can to make it happen.

    "He was always strong and always good. He is supportive, but if he thinks a change should be made, then more than likely he is right."

    By Blogger Vins, at 22:59  

  • prem: talk about courage; why don't you lead by example, and sack one of Ganguly's biggest crony in this blog.
    yes, I'm talking about worma.
    in spite of what everyone says, worms keeps singing SG's praise.
    we know what a bastard Ganguly is - which we suspecte all the time.
    Prem - show some guts and expell worma from this blog; we don't need such idiots here to mislead unsuspecting minds.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:03  

  • However I am afraid that the future is bleak for our team. This current gang of reviwers is a bunch of men who have in-lined their own interests with that of Jaggu and SG..

    Otherwise why would Rohan Gavaskar be in the team at the first place in the VB series..

    and irony.. Indians made hell lot of runs in Aus test series in 03-04. They scored 600+ in Pakistan.. in two of the test matches and they were inings victories..

    Come the next test series - You know what.. we have a batting consultant in the dressing room.. Ofcourse he got paid an unknown sum and ofcourse his decision will be influenced by these sums and favors.. nothing suggest otherwise.

    Results after batting consultant: Dravid moves to a cave from the shell. Yuvi is an opener in a test match.. You captain sees a green pitch and an inevitable test series defeat and declares injury..

    Now lets move further.. we lost series because batting did not click. Where is the batting consultant now?

    RSM, JD, SMG, SK Nair are four clear votes for SG. Shastri will sense the mood of the meeting and will try to sound as if he is on the fence. Venkat just might dose off after the food and his headache medicine.

    So the result of review committe is this : A draw(because outright firing of GC put every one edge and hence more scrutiny of performance of Ganguly and gang.. And ganguly's escapes firing this time thans to controversy). People told to mend ways. Team is not dragged to save the spirit(so that there is no evidence in open.) All players know now who the king is.. Come Srilanka series.. (Test) Lax is dropped and Yuvi and Kaif in the team. And all the others shut up and put up.

    Tendulkar, VS and Dravid are at a deciding moment of the history. They can either choose to be the part of a team which will remain a B Team till they fade away.. or a winning a vibrant team. Tendu and RD cant not afford to be the gentleman anymore for the sake of indian cricket.. they have to go to media.. now.. and atleast help sack Ganguly.

    Ofcourse nobody cares for the booing that Ganguly got in Banglore and Ahemdabad.. They were the people whose verdict should have been listened to..

    "India is a shamocracy" is an understatement.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:03  

  • samir: actually, you are right, GC appears to have told Saurav he had serious doubts about picking him for the first Test.
    You know what, if all that went before is true -- and I keep putting this codicil, because any judgment will need to be made only after the veracity of the points in this email is established -- then I am quite kicked about GC; at least he has the guts to suggest that the team should be picked on performance alone.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 23:04  

  • the email is really sickening - the facts are depressing; I have no doubt in mind that they are true.
    the selections show how corrupt SOB Ganguly is; all of his cronies need some justice shown to them.
    it's time to call spade a spade - ot whatever; sack workma from this blog - the strongest fan of
    such a psycopathic individual called Ganguly.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:06  

  • woah, what an email ....
    Read it, took it in ... paused for a moment... thought about the ramifications ... felt the rage build within .... ok so this is only one side of the story, but can anything be gained from keeping ganguly around ....

    I agree with Prem, if Greg is lying about anything in this email he must go, but if what he is saying holds true, its time for Indian Cricket to move into a post Ganguly era. Lets get on with life.

    By Blogger CK, at 23:06  

  • yacrik: Wow. Boss, tell me this -- when I raised doubts, however gently, about SG, how come I got slammed? My sources were questioned, my veracity and integrity questioned... should I expel all those folks, too?

    Or put differently, suppose it turns out GC was the one lying, then what, you expel me?

    Chill, pal -- this is a forum for debate and discussion; I don't intend to have it turned into a one-sided discussion board, where people having opinions other than that of the majority are banned.

    And none of this means I think worma has been pro-Ganguly. In fact, I abhor the whole framing of this thing as pro- or anti- anyone; why can't cricketing merits be debated without it getting personal?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 23:07  

  • whether GC stays or goes, he has been a godsend already; he has brought the facts out.
    now is the time for Indian cricket to raise to the challenge or die.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:08  

  • If Pawar's team wins the elections, would we see a major role for Bindra in the BCCI?

    By Blogger Vins, at 23:08  

  • vins: Yes, I think you would. And it would be a good thing too, IMHO. I hope instead of the marketing committee -- or in addition to the marketing committee -- they find the job he is best fitted to do: head the cricket development committee. If whatever I have heard of his functioning is true, then that is the place best suited for his abilities.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 23:10  

  • Prem: I agree with you. GC is the best thing that could have happened to Indian cricket.
    Though people have been saying good things about John Wright but now it does seem that he took the expedient route. He too has something to explain...but I guess he must have given it all up as a bad joke seeing that Indian cricket is JD's personal fiefdom.

    By Blogger Samir, at 23:11  

  • Prem, there are peeople in open who have a selective memory about SG's heroics from last 2 years. There also dont see the failure that we have been so used to in ODIs.. How long that has been happening.. 4 years. 4 long years.. Any change in ODI team in these four years.. one LAX got dropped.. Ohh yeah because he was the one who help us win a match that mattered(Lahore)..

    And people like LP Sahi have the guts to say " here is the man who won us an overseas series after 19 long years.. Ohh comon.. out of those 19, he has been captain for 4, played for 9. and the BIG series win is against a club team with the help of a century pile up in 6 hours.. with all the PRESSURE.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:12  

  • Please we have only heard only one side of the story and this need to be emphasized ONLY ONE SIDE.

    I am amused at all the mails that start of with things like "if this email is to be believed" or "we only have only had one side of the story" and promptly go on to analyze this email as if it is the gospel.

    Guys GC is a smart man by doing what he has done he has made sure his story gets out to the public domain first (let's not be naive, GC knew the mail would be leaked as soon as he hit the send button.

    What we have here is a man who wants absolute control and although he has said in public that the 'captain is in charge on the field' obviously he doesn't practice what he preaches.

    There is a different dynamic in cricket to football. The football manager is in absolute charge and he has coaches working for him. GC is a coach reporting in to a management team i.e. the BCCI / selection panel. Maybe he should go manage a football team.

    This is a clear case of a man with too much IQ and very little EQ and having worked under and with several people who have displayed this trait it is very disturbing because the only way this individual can function is by everyone else doing what he says there is no compromise it is all hands on deck and if that is not enough then get your feet on the deck as well and to hell with the consequences as long as I know what I want. These people leave in their wake debris of broken, shattered and exhausted human beings and they get the job done sometimes but not always.

    By Blogger globalsoul, at 23:13  

  • prem - please check worma's posts; he has been such a leading fan of SG in this blog; he has been misleading everyone
    about Ganguly's peformance and deeds; he has been spreading lies like wildfire.
    I agree you may not have had time read all of worma's posts - but when you get some please check some.

    open debate is fine: but spreading lies?

    If your veracity is in doubt, people stop coming here; but I think worma has been using your name and
    reputation to spread lies here in this blog;
    I'll tell you one thing: you are the most popular blogger on Indian cricket - I think you should
    take some responsibility and stop people from spreading lies at least in your site.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:13  

  • Kapil Dev has a better record than any other Indian cricket captain in terms of winning a World Cup. So going by SG's own yardstick, shouldn't KD come out of retirement and lead the Indian team for the next World Cup?

    By Blogger GregChappell, at 23:14  

  • prem:

    couldnt help noticing your comment about SG's one ball duck against Pak in the WC. if you have the tape /dvd, roll it back and see what the commentators say about the LBW decision -too high, missing the stumps -umpire error. I know thats part of the game but in the context that you mention it, this is worth pointing out too.

    By Blogger kban1, at 23:15  

  • Can the sports ministry of the Government of India intervene and dissolve the BCCI? What/who gives BCCI the power to rule Indian cricket?

    Just wondering...

    By Blogger Bala, at 23:16  

  • yacrik:

    This is not an autocracy that anyone supporting a certain player has to be expelled. Worma is a regular contributor to the blog and does a good job. And just as you are entitled to your opinion, so is he. At least he is not asking for your removal. Whatever your personal bias against worma, I suggest you keep it personal and not get Prem or others involved in it.

    As Prem said, this is a place to discuss cricket, lets stick to that.

    Your personal anger against SG as exemplified in the "bastard" comment speaks volumes about you and your biases rather than anyone else on this blog, least of all worma.

    By Blogger kban1, at 23:16  

  • samir, it does seem that GC became firmly convinced in his opinion after the injury incident. And further, when SG asked him a rhetorical question, proceeded to answer it anyway. So technically GC is correct in that he didn't explicitly ask SG to step down, but it is quite clear that he didn't hide what he thought should happen. It is debatable when exactly he wanted to SG to step down .. before the test? after the series? But no doubting that he thought the writing was on the wall and it was up to SG to make a graceful exit.

    By Blogger idlivada, at 23:17  

  • lies I user losely to mean intentional lies or comments out of total lack of logic or understanding but that
    look reasonable.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:17  

  • God, the more I read, the more depressed I get. So many fans, including myself, wish the player in the team could realize what a privilege it is to represent your country. If only could look in the mirror and see the word "INDIA" printed on their jersey, and truly appreciate what that means. Alas, fans like myself that constantly get our hopes up that the page has finally been turned and things will be different from the past, are subjected to this F*****G CRAP!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 23:19  

  • kban1: forget against Pak; what about other matches?
    he scores 9,24,20,48,19 against Test playing countries.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:20  

  • If I remember correctly, I thought GC was told about a SECURE channel of communication with the BCCI chief during the time of his interview or just after.If 'email' was the secure channel, we now know how secure it is..... What a pity.

    By Blogger Vins, at 23:20  

  • sahir: agree - the email is very depressing to read;

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:22  

  • it's pity that we spend time and energy to follow this stupid thing taking place.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:23  

  • globalsoul.. We have to be thankful to GC because he has shown the guts that this whole team lacks.. the SRTs and RDs and everone else. He is leading from the front..

    I am sure you havent heard a full stadium booing ganguly on many an occasion. He does not deserve s place in the tem. He is not willing to step down as a captain.. He has every motive to ceate factions because thats what is keeping him in the team.. He does not have any performance to speak for himself. He doesnt deserve a place in India's top 100 players today. He is nothing but crap. He knows it. Thats why he is poisoining the team.

    He cant be trusted. Because if he thinks he deserve a place in the team then he has become blind to his temptations and seeing no reason. Only way for him to survive is to be captain.

    Hence he is just going to make some stories. He doesnt want team to be dragged into it because he doesnt not people to speak against him while he has the support of this so called review committee. He is playing pure politics..

    GC is the best thing that happened to Indian cricket in this decade after LAX innings in calcutta. I love him. I will always hold him in high regards. Alas we could have more of such people in BCCI.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:24  

  • idlivada: I think if you read GC's e-mail carefully, the sequence of events will become quite clear.
    True, technically GC did not ask him to step down, he merely said you don't deserve to be the starting XI. I see nothing wrong with the coach having an honest discussion with his captain.
    Since we are talking about technicalities, I wonder if the Captain has veto power in the tour selection committee.
    What happens if the Vice Captain and coach both feel that the Captain does not deserve to make the XI? I suppose the situation is so absurd that the rule position must be silent on it.

    By Blogger Samir, at 23:25  

  • yacrik

    stop harrasing worma, if you have a point of view or anything worthwhile to say then say it and don't go running to prem like a crybaby.

    the fact that worma has been designated a regular contributer speaks volumes about the value of his opinions whether you like it or not.

    By Blogger globalsoul, at 23:29  

  • I hope the Indian team is revived soon. I think the best we could hope at the moment is RD as captain, GC as Coach and Bindra as administrator. Hopefully we get a professional long term manager as well.

    By Blogger Vins, at 23:30  

  • My real fear is that GC email will be read by this review committee just to find fault statements. Just like LP Sahi in telegraph could find that "i-am-not-like-john-write" thing.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:30  

  • I'm going to sleep; somebody please wake me up when some semblance of sanity and pride have returned to Indian cricket. Indians used to think the Pakistani team was the one notorious for internal rifts, well time to crown a new champion!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 23:32  

  • Sahir..if you wait for sanity to return, you could be sleeping for a long time. :)

    By Blogger Vins, at 23:34  

  • global-soul.. I have been reading worma's comments. I feel he is as blind as LP Sahi.. He is not ready to state or accept statistics that trash ganguly. He is bittn by this successful capatin mania(mind you after 1 win in 20 finals.. some of those defeats thoroughly embarassing.. line 359/2.. 359/4).. Only teams that we defeated in this successful tenure is aa inexperienced PAK team.. and some teams that dont have any spinners at home. I am not counting our great victoris against BD and Zim for much.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:36  

  • Sahir rightly said.. we are chapions in all that is bad in cricket.. crowd trouble.. chockers.. now jokers.. cannon fodders.. bottlers.. lazies..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:38  

  • global: check worma's posts; he has such a crappy logic ; he has been misusing his contrbutorship; just like gangs is doing to the cricket team.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:38  

  • sunil: agree - worma has been able to mislead a lot of people by misusing Prem's name.
    global is a good example of worma's victims.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:40  

  • yacrik: "lies I user losely to mean intentional lies or comments out of total lack of logic or understanding"

    this in itself speaks volumes. u are so pathetic man!

    By Blogger SKP, at 23:47  

  • I must share my fears with you all before signing off for the day. The review committee may be split thus (if what one has read about BBCI politicsis to be believed): Jagmohan Dalmiya, SK Nair, and Sunil Gavaskar on one side and Ravi Shastri, and Venkat on the other. The lame duck BCCI president, Mahendra something -- I don’t even know his full name –- will be the joker in the pack. It is not looking very good for GC. At best it is 50-50.

    By Blogger Samir, at 23:47  

  • skp: what's up with you?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:49  

  • can you explain why I am so pathetic? love to know

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:50  

  • yacrik, sunil_nain : I normally dont post much, but couldnt stop myself.

    leave worma alone. he and everyone else has the right to an opinion. he might love SG just as you hate him. hopefully it is not "my way or the highway" or the chappel way in this blog yet.

    By Blogger sb_tor, at 23:51  

  • sunil nain: looks like u are blinded by hate towards worma! after SG, is this now going to be an anti and pro worma blog or what? most people think that he is very level headed in his views. Bring some objectivity man! everybody is entitled to his or her opinion. talk about cricket and not about worma.

    By Blogger SKP, at 23:54  

  • I cant do much to what is going to happen to team India. But I have stopped spending money on watching BCCI eleven perform. People like skp, worma, dadagiri can spend their dollars on this shit. I cant.

    I have taken an oath with some of my friend not subscribe to any series that India play as long as Ganguy and Zaheer Khan are in the team.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:55  

  • the point about Ganguly fans is that their hero is such a bastard, the views of his cronies should be stopped.
    it's like banning Al-jazeera network's newsfeed from voice-of-america stations.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:00  

  • prem: voice of america
    gangu fans: al-jazeera

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:00  

  • Ohh.. skp! If ANYONE(that includes worma)

    on this forum has the guts to say that SG should even be in the team in the face of his great batting.. awsome fielding and bowling.. and ability to perform in crucial matches.. leave alone the valid test teams.. to top it all, coming in public and flagging on the back of a scintilating batting against the Shane Warnes and Mcgraths of Zimbabwe on seaming and swinging piches..

    IS either AN ENEMY OF INDIAN CRICKET or has poor understanding of matters. He also should be one of those also rans in life and must be suporting "Its more important to participate in games, not to win".

    For me it is all about "WINNING".

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:02  

  • sunil nain

    my point on GC is that he will destroy the fabric of the indian team dyanamics to exert control. There are many ways to skin a cat, the way GC is going about it may not be the only way and we need to recognize that. GC also knows how to play the game and you should not suspend our belief and swallow all that he says just because you 'don't like' ganguly. GC wants control and he will do everthing to get it so take what he says with a pinch of salt.

    there is always a cultural and organizational context to change management. GC's method seems to be the boot camp style i.e. where you break them down and strip them of their own way of thinking and then take over. Very sucessful if you want a unit that is a well oiled remote controlled unit without any passion.

    my point on Worma regardless of what he says he has every right to say it so you debate with him and not insult him.

    see you and i are having a debate but yacrik is not.

    By Blogger globalsoul, at 00:04  

  • sunil: people might think you could be yacrik's another handle;

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:04  

  • This is an open forum where everybody is entitled to their opinions. Who are u to judge whether somebody is a liar or not? Who are u to suggest expelling someone? How do u know that he has been misleading everyone? Did “everyone” tell u so? How can u accuse someone just so easily? And then u say “I meant it loosely.”

    Don’t accuse and then say u meant it loosely. Back up your allegations with facts.

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:06  

  • yacrik

    if you were living in the UK you could be arrested for inciting hatred under the new anti terrorist laws.

    Anyway I digress this is a cricket forum and let's just talk crickets. will somebody no ball this guy.

    By Blogger globalsoul, at 00:09  

  • fabric of the indian team dynamics? what has the fabric done so far? they are freakin #7 in the ODI ranking..
    if they face any team except WI,ZIM and BD they will won't be able to win.
    the fabric needs protection only if it is worth preserving..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:09  

  • how did I incite hatred?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:10  

  • Bengali's seems to be out of the information loop these days.(LP Sahi being the flag bearer).. Heard that not only they have these "WE SHALL OVERCOME" posters to greet ganguly, they seem to be having posters of "MITHUN CHAKRABARTY" all over calcutta these days to celebrate his STARDOM.

    However I have to confess that one of my Bengali friend here is US, seems to totally in favor of firing ganguly since the NAGPUR show of bravery by PRINCE OF CALCUTTA.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:10  

  • Sunil nain: again, its your decision whether or not u want to watch … leave others out of it. who gives u the right to comment about others? Oil your own charka mate.

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:11  

  • skp: check Gangul fan's posts. they write well - but the logic is built on fallacy and total lack of understanding.
    example: Ganguly did very well in WC2003.. don't we know what he did? scored only against minnows and failed repeatedly against others.
    his ODI scores since have been good - show one good score when the match mattered to both teams. he scored in
    either dead-rubber matches or when the opposition rested key players after qualifying to the next round.
    they cite such scores as his good performance.
    either they don't know what a good performance is or intentionally say false things.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:14  

  • yacrik: your comments regarding banning... u sound like a total dictator man. i am beginning to worry that I may be shot at.....

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:14  

  • skp: it's his decision to watch or not - of course it is; the point is he is so upset with what is going on.
    instead of trying to understand his frustration you go - leave it or watch mate... what's that freakin mate business.
    it's so stupid to end with mate. why can't we say bai or dada or something like wasmi bai;

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:17  

  • globalsoul..

    you said
    my point on GC is that he will destroy the fabric of the indian team dyanamics to exert control. There are many ways to skin a cat, the way GC is going about it may not be the only way and we need to recognize that. GC also knows how to play the game and you should not suspend our belief and swallow all that he says just because you 'don't like' ganguly. GC wants control and he will do everthing to get it so take what he says with a pinch of salt.

    there is always a cultural and organizational context to change management. GC's method seems to be the boot camp style i.e. where you break them down and strip them of their own way of thinking and then take over. Very sucessful if you want a unit that is a well oiled remote controlled unit without any passion.



    Every that you are afaraid of what GC is doing or wanting to do.. is RIGHT for indian cricket.. So dont hold it against him. ITS THE THING TO DO.

    Look at pakistan.. Since WOOLMER is one and all to decide the most.. team has gone up many notches..

    CHAPPEL has to be given
    1) TOTAL CONTROL over team affairs
    2) authority to decide the playing eleven and a vote in selection committee..
    3) to fire any member from the team if he feels the member is not diciplined.

    CHAPPEL should be asked for
    1)PERFORMANCE
    2) QUANTITATIVE PERFORMANCE
    3) rise in rankings
    4) ODI series and tournament victories
    4) Test series victories - specifically abroad.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:18  

  • skp: how did I sound like a dictator. different opinion is fine; but facts can't be different right?
    for example, would like to listen to Al-jazeera on Voice-of-america?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:19  

  • SKP - I am not asking you to stop watching.. DID I?

    Why dont you reward some 10000 dollars for GANGULY for the great century he scored against the likes of WARNE and Macgraths of no-1 ranking team for a decade ZIMBABWE.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:23  

  • yacrick,
    And what you guys do? Rubbish every report (be it Jha or Sahi) that supports Sourav and believe everything that doesn't support Sourav. You call it 'balanced' view? On what basis?

    It's sick to know that so many people can attack the captain and call him names based on the coach's supposed email without even bothering to check what's the TRUTH? Let the facts come out first. Let others have their say. But I am sure you guys have already made up your mind. So if Gavaskar supports SG, then that's because Rohan plays for Bengal. But if Shastri supports GC, then he should be hailed as a Saint. How much do you know about GC? Do you know how the other players feel? Let's find that out first because their words also should matter because they share the dressing room with the coach and the captain and their career is at stake and not your's.

    Here's one piece:
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1500244,0008.htm?headline=~Gregmail~gives~team~the~jitters

    I am not saying that the players and SG should be pardoned if they are showing the wrong attitude, but let it be proven first. What makes you trust GC completely?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 00:24  

  • dadagiri: it's not just the email; his recent performance and what he has been saying in the press and
    selectoral decsion; all of them taken together points to a sick person;

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:27  

  • yacrik: i am not defending SG here. Do u think just becoz I objected to your aspersions towards worma makes me an SG fan? Don’t go for such stereotypes. Ganguly needs to perform in order to be in the team. I think in the best interest of indian cricket, RD should be made the captain and SG should be put on notice for another one or two series. Let him play without the baggage of captaincy and prove himself. If he can score, fine. He stays. Otherwise he goes.

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:27  

  • Many people like DADAGIRI and PRASAD on these forums have been given logic against GC on the lines of FIRANG.. and WANTING TO CONTROL things and so on..

    Hey guys.. Chappel can get his salary and more with going the easy way.. which is to be a YES man. But YES men may get salaries and more, they cant get RESPECT and HONOR and satsfaction of doing things RIGHT.

    Its gangly who does not deserve control but trying to HOLD onto it while he does not even deserve a place in the team. The whole world knows that.. and he is the most indisciplined player in international cricket today..

    Unfortunately being notorious for the wrong reasons seems to be touching his supporters hearts.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:28  

  • 1. performance has been rotten;
    2. says can play short ball well - we know how bad he is
    3. selectoral decisions to make sure he is safe

    forget the email, even without it there is enogh evefince to suggest sinister operation being rampant

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:30  

  • skp: this is a forum open to frank discussion; but if some come with an agenda, we got to stop such people.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:31  

  • sunil: well said

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:33  

  • DADAGIRI..

    I am not trying to set my pro or anti stand based on GREG's email.. no not at all..

    Its about him getting out even before my noodle cooks..

    Its about GANGULY jumping like a SCARED CAT whenever the ball is new and bowler bounces it..

    Its about ganguly's PERFOMANCE.

    Its about him coming out and talking to media about dressing room discussions.. Thats INDICIPLINE..

    CHAPPEL DID NOT MAKE ANY UNPROFESSIONAL MOVE in the whole episode.. Tell me one.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:34  

  • yacrik: i certainly empathize with sunil nain's frustration as illustrated by you. let him vent his feelings. no probs with that. why does he have to say that " People like skp, worma, dadagiri can spend their dollars on this shit. " why bring others into it?

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:34  

  • yacrik: u are so biased in your thoughts. as a neutral person, I would definitely love to hear both sides of the story-- al jazeera and voice of america. whats wrong in that? why do u talk about banning one?

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:37  

  • skp: all he said was others might be able to or can spend money - but he can't get himself to do it knowing there is so much shit happening. I don't think he meant any personal disrespect to anyone.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:38  

  • DADAGIRI,

    about HT reference

    if cricket team members are in jitters because of GC, its what they have earned. Its their comfort zone that have to be taken away. After all we are at 7th place in ODIs and 3rd in Test(because we plaed a lot at home recently).. and 3rd is poor in my analysis anyway.

    I commend GC for putting this team in jitters.. would be good if it lead to some of them being FIRED.

    GANGULY not only has to be fired. HE HAS TO BE DISGRACED.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:38  

  • nobody is neutral at the end of the day; even the judge takes the side of the party that is right and renders the judgement; one can be neutral only until the facts are known. tell me what fact is in question rigth now?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:39  

  • sunil nain: looks like u are really pissed with SG. and now u ask me to reward 10000. i fail to understand why u are so mad at me. bring some objectivity in your comments.

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:40  

  • I agree SG is already a disgraceful cricketer and a human being; spreading lies all the time.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:41  

  • skp: you called me dictator and a pathetic person (or was it global). without much thought or reason??

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:41  

  • the villains will be in jitters when the truth comes out - no wonder some are nervous- they should be;
    the team is at #7 in ODIs; next year they have to play qualifying matches to play in the championship
    trophy; disgraceful.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:43  

  • can you believe it? Ind has to play in the qualifying round to get a chance to play in the main event that
    is going to take place in India. it all happened with SG at the helms and his stubborn and politicking stand to
    hang onto the captaincy.
    one series loss , Aus is doing so much to revamp; even when Ind reaches the nadir, the captain is still in charge
    of the sinking ship.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:45  

  • yacrik: stop speaking for sunil nain. i am sure u two are good buddies. but let him voice out his opinions. could u please clarify what "agenda" u are talking about.

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:46  

  • SKP, I am not mad at you. Why should I be..

    But ofcourse I am mad at Ganguly.. I have paid 250 dollars a series to watch our team being screwed series after series.. and I hold GANGULY personally resposible for that.. I need justice.. I am the one who should earn sympathies.. not GANGULY.

    And some people on this forum try to dissmiss people and pass judgments on their being furstrated or whatever, its those who fail to understand logic.. and go after the person.. same approach as LP SAHI and telegraph.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:48  

  • from HT:

    This is definitely ZK - the freaking idiot had an injury even before the season started.
    His laziness was documented during Wright's era; he is a chosen man of the Gangs era coming
    under pressure.


    Contrary to the general perception that Greg Chappell has the team behind him in his “crusade” against Sourav Ganguly, a number of Indian players are insecure and feel the coach is behaving like a “school master” and his “draconian” methods are disrupting the team.

    Even as a TV channel was detailing a “reported” e-mail (calling Ganguly a liar) he sent the Board, HT talked to a few players and they had a different story to tell.

    The players, who did not want to be named, said, “We are not against his disciplining the team but the problem is he is not telling us what is wrong with us.” They say he has made the team so insecure that everyone is “afraid to say anything to him”. But more important is the revelation that “he tells the world he has a problem with our attitude but to our face he does not tell us what is wrong with us”.

    A senior player said: “I have played for India for the last six years and never have I felt so threatened without being told what my fault is.”

    Chappell is in a hurry to make this team into a world-beating combine for the 2007 World Cup, but the insecurity in the team could end up seeing it in a greater mess.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:50  

  • SKP.. I dont know anything about yacrik.. to me he is some of those who are able to think for the good and the future instead of drowning themselves in the GLORY of greate ganguly era..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:51  

  • skp: what about Ind having to play the qualifying round next year?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:51  

  • check my Blog here

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:54  

  • And now read this

    http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?content_id=55290

    Gnagly's presciption to the players in the team

    "I think the best thing they should do is to keep quiet."

    Tell me who is the dictator here.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:55  

  • sunil nain: well yacrik has spoken on your behalf in more than one occasion. hence the conclusion.

    By Blogger SKP, at 00:55  

  • skp: I don't need to speak on behalf of sunil - he has been able to communicate pretty effectively.
    I agreed with his view points a few times - he seems to be able to think for the good of Indian cricket
    and has been objective.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:57  

  • Check out this pic

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/220088.html

    By Blogger Bala, at 01:01  

  • bala - what's your take on the pic? looks like a few black monkeys rejoicing..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:04  

  • face of ganguly fans suggest that they probably work in his restaurent..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 01:05  

  • Wow, just came across this forum and I love it.

    My two cents: I am not a Ganguly fan by any stretch, at least the present Ganguly. I don't think there is any place for him in the team anymore. I am sure there are 50 more deserving cricketers in India right now performance-wise. But this is no way for such an impactful cricketer to exit the stage. His contributions, mostly good and some bad, to lift our cricket over the years should not be ignored. GC should have been mindful of that.

    I am not insinuating that GC is responsible for this situation. But he could have done his part to ensure a more graceful exit for this once awesome cricketer.

    And yes, GC's email should be printed with a warning that it could cause severe deperessions in the reader. Sometimes, the truth can have that effect.

    By Blogger sid, at 01:06  

  • "I don't think the entire team should be dragged into this," Ganguly said.

    Do you know why Ganguly does not want BCCI to talk to the team? because his lies will come out!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:07  

  • yacrik: we have only heard one side of the story. people need to reserve their verdict till they hear the other side.
    1. About SG's injury--we dont know the facts to be sure. he might or might not have feigned injury.
    2. About his nervousness—people react to situations differently. That is very subjective.
    3. Regarding the event with VVS—if that is true, it was very inappropriate on SG’S part. If true, the board should take action against such low conduct.
    4. About creating rift—it is GC’S perception. We need to hear from other team members.
    Performance alone should be the criteria to get into the team. But I still believe that SG be given another series (without baggage of captaincy) to prove his worth. If he has backed his players through thick and thin, he should be given a chance too. I don’t think he is totally finished. Again, this is my personal opinion.

    By Blogger SKP, at 01:08  

  • Well done worma. I see that you have responded to yacrik in the best possible manner. Your silence is louder and clearer than yacrik's inanities.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 01:08  

  • sunil: "face of ganguly fans suggest that they probably work in his restaurent.."
    agree - work in the cleaning department, definitely not the food service part.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:08  

  • bluejoy - what's up?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:10  

  • skp: Nagpur injury is well known - even the team physio said, everything looks alright, we need more test which
    were never done by Ganguly - all of a sudden he was ok.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:12  

  • My views about the pic - no comments.

    I think the e-mail became public knowledge only because a suitable distraction was needed to take attention away from the AGM.

    Sid - It is indeed sad that the Ganguly's exit might be ignominous. But I say might - we still haven't heard the other side of the story. I'd reserve my judgment till then.

    I must admit though that I felt a huge rush of joy on reading GC's email. It will be difficult for Ganguly to wriggle out of this mess. Over the last couple of years, Ganguly's batting has been a disgrace. A monkey on hot bricks is more entertaining.

    By Blogger Bala, at 01:15  

  • sunil nain

    i repeat my point again. the crux of the argument is that 'there are many ways to skin a cat' you seemed to have missed that.

    Agree with what GC should be asked for because it is a no brainer of course he has to deliver on performance which is measured by winning

    disagree with what he should be given just look around not even Duncan Fletcher nor John Bucanan nor Bob Woolmer gets what you want GC to get. So your idea is without precedence and with good reason because if you look at the empirical evidence the Aussies, the English and the Pakistanis have got what they have got without their coach getting what you want to give to them.

    Like I said there are many ways to skin a cat.

    By Blogger globalsoul, at 01:16  

  • Nagput Test:

    Leipus revealed that an MRI scan had shown no problem at all and that further investigations would happen on Wednesday, October 27. "Just to make sure that there is nothing serious wrong, we are going in for bone scan. There might have been a slight problem in the hip joint. But for the moment there is nothing wrong with the muscle but we will still have to find out the reason for the pain."

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:24  

  • please note what Leipus revealed: MRI scan had shown no problem at all ; here is nothing wrong with the muscle

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:25  

  • bala: you had a sense of joy? reading the email made me feel depressed;

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:26  

  • Leipus :

    "I don't know where the pain is coming from. Because it's the second time it is happening. It was there in Bangalore, gone in Chennai and come back again."

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:28  

  • News Flashes on the TV suggesting that the team manager proving Chappel wrong. He says Ganguly was always there in all the practise sessions. Now seems Chappel gonna be alone facing the BCCI.

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 01:32  

  • Well yacrick - to be honest I did. The first step towards solving any problem is admitting that you have one. Indian cricket has been in a state of denial for too long. The email puts the spotlight squarely on the administrators. How the whole thing plays out will determine the future of Indian cricket - to a large extent.

    If they do it right - Indian cricket benefits.
    If they do it wrong - Indian cricket goes to the dogs. More Indians lose interest in cricket, in India and abroad. Productivity increases across the board and more money saved for those abroad.

    From where I sit, that is a win-win. Isn't it?

    By Blogger Bala, at 01:32  

  • Really the e-mail is depressing like a hell. I could take all but the part that talks about laxman, its so kiddish..it feels like a school team captain talking to his team mates.If only that bit is true ganguly should be treated a lesson.
    Its shame on indian cricket. Few sites showing other team players commenting about Chappel and Ganguly...man this is so irritating...
    We are going to beaten black and white by Sri and Southafrica.

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 01:44  

  • Think it is time to close discussing about this issue , or better to ban cricket in India for a while . I further feel it is better to keep thinking how can we get medals in Olympics than getting hurted by cricket .

    Very intersting to see GC giving a comment along with others in this blog stating JD would have leaked the letter .Think the letter is further hurting 100 crore Indians , and it is against SG , and saying that he wants the letter to come out is quite intresting .

    By Blogger krishnachaitanya, at 04:09  

  • Hello,

    I think that all this talk about Ganguly being the best and most successful captain ever is all crap. The fact is that we had some exceptional cricketers in last few years--Dravid, Tendulkar, Kumble and Lakshman. I do not think captain can do anything if the team is not talented. Lately, we have not been doing well because we are missing Tendulkar in the team. I guess that any Tom, Dick and Harry would have been equally successful. In fact, Ganguly has brought shame to cricket by doing acts like taking his shirt off in England. He has been several times reprimanded for slow over rates or for having argument with umpires.

    I always felt that Dravid has not been treated very well in the team. Ganguly was playing Dravid in 5th/6th position in one day matches and I think that it was not proper to bring Dravid so low in batting order. Also, it was wrong to ask Dravid to keep wickets in one day matches.

    It was very clear that things are not quite good in Indian team, when Ganguly made some adverse comment--"How can india losse from such a situation"-- about India losing a match in Sri Lanka. And guess, who was the captain?--Rahul Dravid. It was very clear than Ganguly was feeling insecure about losing his captainship to Rahul Dravid.

    --Sanjeev

    By Blogger Sanjeev, at 06:45  

  • Prem...as I have been saying this right from the time this 'leak' broke out (check my comments here, this isn't just a GC vs SG issue anymore. And that all the player's opinions needs to be sorted out. And this should be a combined group forum, minus SG and GC where moderators like Sahstri and Sunny sit down with the playes, and sort out the differences, the real issues etc...and prepare their 'reccomendations' to the committee on behalf of the players.

    Because even if we assume that SG goes, I believe some problems do remain in the team. And having got this wonderful opurtunity via the leak...why not use it to the fullest.

    Btw, on whats really going to happen....umm...I think there are chances that JD may be right, for a change. If this email was really sent before the second test (or the truce) then isn't there a likelihood that the truce was brokered in knowledge of the facts disclosed here (and maybe both sides of the the issues raised out here)?

    Although, if that truce is maintained, to me it looks difficult that GC would be able to maitain the 'all-is-now-well' front that he and SG offered for media consumption.

    ..ohh and btw...unlike you pointed out in the main post, to me its quite clear from this email that GC did tell SG, on the eve of the match, that there was no place for him in the team. But anyways....the distance that this whole issue has travelled now...I hardly think that that would matter now.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:07  

  • Courageous Chappell - You have hit the right nail.
    You can read my views here.

    By Blogger Vishal Sharma, at 07:30  

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