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Monday, September 26, 2005

Wither goest BCCI?

I have always favored Sanjay Manjrekar when it comes to cricket commentary or cricket analysis, and his views on the Indian Captain – Coach imbroglio enhances his stature as one of the truly wise men of cricket. Particularly, pay attention to how he unerringly sums up the problem that has stopped Indian cricket from going places, in a few choice words:

“ Now on one side, there is that typical Indian way — not restricted to sports, mind you. Which is all about compromises, adjustments, emotions, respect, egos and lastly politics. “

How true. One would have thought it was all about discipline, hard work, patriotism, playing by the rules and sacrificing the ego for the good of the goal. Many players do start out with the best of intentions, cap in hand and song in heart, but somewhere along the way they learn that playing the game on the field is as important as playing the game off the field.

How well Saurav Ganguly has played the political game, we will find out tomorrow. It is interesting to note that every writer from east to west has had his/her say, and while they strive to remain objective, almost all of them let peep through their desire to see things go the Australian way. The BCCI will not sack Ganguly in a coldly efficient manner, for that is not the Indian way, but it can hardly ignore a public bristling with anger at seeing Kaif sitting on the bench. It might be unfair to expect the captain to give up his place for a younger player in his prime, but it is not unfair to expect the captain to give up his place when he is past his prime.

And so Indian cricket has come to the fork in the road, once more. Past experience tells us that when the clamor gets too loud, the right way is usually chosen by the Board. The Australian could well come away with a smile on his stern face. Not at once, but in the near future, with the captain retiring ‘gracefully’ on his own. That is if things are not bungled too badly by bitter officials and warring bosses. That is a far bigger problem than Ganguly’s ego. Unless the people who run Indian cricket look to become a little more Australian, a little less Indian, there will always be a couple of Gangulys or Harbhajans in the team. As Manjrekar remarks:

“ Coming back to the current issue, before the decision is made, the BCCI will surely talk to Chappell and Ganguly and if after that, they feel they need to go the Chappell way, it’s important they also find out whether the rest of the team and not only the new captain is ready to go the Chappell way. For, you are talking of those players who found much of their success the Ganguly way.”

142 Comments:

  • great post

    By Blogger criclogic, at 00:07  

  • there' also the issue that manjarekar touched on - will some of the no doubt talented people in the team be able to thrive under chappell if they don't like his methods?

    By Blogger aniruddh, at 00:19  

  • What is an Indian way, what is an Australian way? Generalisation is a dangerous thing. If all Indian readers and writers (my turn to generalise) want the just thing to happen, namely exit SG, then how is that an Australian way? The Indian way you are referring to is the path of the officials, the PV Narasimha approach of not taking any decisions. That springs from unclear mandates, responsibilities and off course from ulterior motives. Everyone likes to know which side of the bread is buttered. But as Ashok malhotra said in Rediff, even if only one is shown the door right now, the other due to pressure and resultant failing will follow shortly. So looks like it will be curtains GC sometime soon. I still would like to see if he will invoke the empowerment clause he was offered in the contract and see if he can bend the committee (tomorrow's or the selection committee) and get SG removed if required.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 00:24  

  • great post. no doubt.

    A great many people in India believe tat Indian success in past few years is all because of arrogant Ganguly and sweet John Wright..

    However I woul assume that there is not doubt the team was united and played as a team. But it has a lot to do with the insecurities and fear of further failure and total disgust right at the door. Defeat and hands of SA, the first test rollover in India-Aus series, that rock bottom... that kicked these guys up and they had to perform when there was nowhere to go..

    Tehelka did a great service to Indian Cricket but unfortunately the things has returned exactly to where they were pre-tehelka. Nepotism, politics .. and non-performers get to earn their salaries far too long while we long to be australians. Debated are deviated far away from performance and shoved in every other direction from where it counts .. which is PERFORMANCE..

    Many pundits and past players have tried to keep their cards to the chest and have tried to sound impartial(They wont get anything more helpful to take a clear stand though.. may be in all their life related to cricket from now on..). In their pursuit, partially they have tried to put blame on Chappel while almost everyone is convinced that Ganguly has to go.(They are adding this Later clause .. board still have lot of paying jobs they know)..

    Tommorrow GC may be fired and politicians may have the last laugh.. We cant underestimate the cheapness of our board.

    But one thing I have to admit and this is from the heart..

    Sir Greag Chappel have done an immense service to Indian Cricket that not many have ever done before.. His honesty has been as soul sweetening as the six that Sachin hit at centurian.. . It have gone to the core and shaken our inner so ferociously that words cant describe it.

    But I am sadly confess that it had to be an australian. No wonder they had the best team in the world for 20 years.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:29  

  • Bull. What makes Greg right and Ganguly wrong? Manjrekar is a pansy who didnt last more than a bucket of matches. Why do we have this excreable urge to run down all our leaders. Lets see what Greg delivers before we take him for his word? This FDI sentiment seeps into our culture are creates these brilliant sirajud daullahs... has anyone thought that Greg might simply be preparing the Indian team for Australia's 2007 World Cup success?

    By Blogger Daveil, at 00:32  

  • Sack @#$%& Ravi Shastri from (whatever)BCCI committe, things will be back to normal.

    Bring in people like Sanjay Manjeraker, etc.

    By Blogger Nambi, at 00:35  

  • Manjrekar's column is quite mature and by the way, if anyone saw NDTV's 'Cricket Controversy' ...our great Sardar..Navjot Singh said that for the sake of Indian cricket..SG should leave and allow GC to continue and take the team forward...He said that BCCI has made it a total tamasha of this situation and playing with the feelings of the public...He was very emphatic while SG camp Saba Karim and Cricketnext.com's editor Sanjay Jha (which is not a surprise)was up against GC...exactly, what Manjrekar mentioned..Indian way....I hope that SG and GC don't pose for another photo-session after todays meeting with JD and the gang...a group photo to say everything is now hunky-dory!

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 00:36  

  • There are things called long term objective and short term results.
    I think GC is not willing talk abt short term results - He talks only WC07.

    By Blogger Nambi, at 00:37  

  • Is this guy - Daveil - for real?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 00:40  

  • Ganguly's maternal grandfather passed away.

    Would some one accuse him for creating this scenario to seek public sympathy.

    Gavaskar's father has been hospitalized at Pune.
    Would some one accuse him of ochestrating his escape from this messy meeting.

    Everything seems to be happening for political reasons in India including breathing.

    I am only asking questions advance as accusations must be round the corner.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 00:46  

  • Sujata,
    I take strong objection to the line How well Saurav Ganguly has played the political game, we will find out tomorrow. Chappell has so far made allegations, nothing has been proved yet. If Ganguly can come up with answers to these allegations as he has said he would and if the review committee finds it satisfactory, you are going to say Ganguly played the political game well?? So it's basically no-win situation for Ganguly and other players who differ with Chappell's views? Is that it? If you are the same old Sujata Prakash, then I am terribly disappointed with your comments.

    By Blogger Jai, at 00:47  

  • On the contrary, if Chappell's grandafther had passed way, the Indian media and a section of the fans would have accused Ganguly for causing the anxiety leading to his death !

    By Blogger Jai, at 00:49  

  • From most of the write ups i have been reading, SG has been sentenced without a trial.If he is retained, it would be attributed to BCCI politics and JD's all pervading power. If he is shown the door,it would be justice done,is it.i'm surprised that only SG's 'non-performance' comes to mind.Would anyone dare to look back and realise that he started doing badly after he sacrificed his position to VS for the overall benefit of the team.Not one person who speaks against him has given him the benefit of doubt.For all the perceived ills that SG may have,he has the talent and the temperament.
    I again come back to my point of what GC should have done. As a coach, he should have backed his captain and used the Zim series to allow SG to get back his rythm.Instead, he psychologically, pushed him down and made him feel unwanted.So much for Aussie skills.Would he have used the same parameters for VS or RD or SRT.
    It is a big power game that is going on

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:01  

  • People, couple of undiscussed factors:
    1. What does Greg Chappel's contract say about "termination". What if he terminates the relationship? What benefits does he get ? What if Board terminates him? What benefits does he get in that case?
    2. Will GC go ahead and resign if things are not done in "his way", even if it means foregoing all the material benefits out of this assignment?
    3. If yes, then I guess BCCI(alias Dalmia) will be happy to push him to the point of resigning himself rather than ditching Gangs. Afterall, Sport is not all about winning(matches) :-)
    4. If the contract is in GC's favour(even if he resigns himself), I am sure BCCI would try to work out a compromise.
    5. It is highly unlikely that Gangs will be sacrificed for GC. I mean, why would JD insinuate himself into the committee - just to hand it all over in a platter to GC?

    Compromise would be detrimental to Indian Cricket.
    In an ideal world, we would choose one of GC or SG but charge him with serious accountability and link his further benefits to performance and Results. I mean, you come and look at MNC's. Managers are charged with Business Objectives and benefits are directly linked to results, irrespective of methods and performance.

    By Blogger Raj, at 01:03  

  • Hello Sujata...I remember Manjrekar as a silly, giggling embarassment for Indian commentary team. Now..what is wrong with the Indian way?!!..Afterall we are Indians and not Australians....It seems the season has come to bask in the reflected glory of assuming that we are Australians!..Great going!..The Australians must be highly amused at this kind of unexpected hero-worship.
    You people have coverted this site into a hate site.
    I thought hate sites are there in these white countries against outsiders....but this one is different.....it is a hate site meant for one of our own....the one who has served Indian cricket famously....and a hate site which hero-worships a Australian of dubious reputation...Keep it up!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 01:11  

  • Raj,
    It's very simple to understand actually. Without going into the details of what is there in GC's contract (because I doubt any average fan will know that), it's likely a compromise will be sought now because JD-Mahendra is yet to be defeated. But their position is shaky now and come November, they may lose it to the Pawar-Dungarpur group and even a newborn baby knows what RSD has been talking of late. Chappell's well wisher will advise him to take the compromise for the time being with the promise that SG will be gone come November. Equations will change however if we perform well as a team in the next two months and SG himself is in good form. Chappell then will come up with another email. If he's innovative enough (and he sure is, remember underarm?), he may send a SMS next time.

    By Blogger Jai, at 01:12  

  • In my book, if someone prepares to play a fast bowler (read shane bond) off the back foot almost all the time irrespective of the length (alright stretching it a bit, not those well outside the off stump), there is no scope for any improvement.. Its as if he is disappointed that the previous delivery was not a short one. Too bad, a great one not so long ago has been brought to the level of tail-enders by fast bowlers worldwide.

    By Blogger whoami, at 01:14  

  • Relating a personal experience with Aussies.I was employed in an associate of an Australian bank.People were deputed from Australia to 'restructure' and 'revamp' the business, the business model, the works.They started first by putting everybody under pressure, made people reapply for the jobs(alternate and the one they were already handling)
    People who did not fall in line with their thinking,were asked to leave the org.People were interviewed and those who had been ahndling specific roles for a few years were not found 'compatible' and were given alternate assignments not suited to their profile thereby clearly sending out a message that they were not wanted.
    Big plans drawn up for acquisitions, targets to reach the numero uno position etc.,...

    Ultimately, after six months, when the rot has set in due to undue pressure on the employees and huge dissatisfaction on account of a different approach to 'man -management', the organization was sold off and the Aussies went back to their cushy jobs back home. Left behind people with no jobs for some time till they could find alternate employment in other companies.

    Though these are not full details, hope it gives an insight to Aussie way of work.The 'straight in yr face' attitude works in Australia but not here.

    Whether it is something we live with or something that is inherent in our way of life, it needs to be understood that it is deep rooted.

    We have been successful the way we have approached our people and our work culture. Maybe we could have grown faster otherwise...We do not know. But, the flip side is that we could have also destroyed ourselves, our culture, our ethics...

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:24  

  • nothing is going to be "found out" tomorrow.
    i think all the decisions have been made to be honest. are the BCCI that stupid that they havent spoken to every team member, coaching staff and manager who was on the tour and got their inputs?
    Greg Chappell for his part has to be a total fool if he thinks there is no politics in the Australian team, or any other team.
    And Ganguly, at least the people he picks have some measure of success. Consider the ever-ethical and pious Tendulkar, during whose tenure people like Paras Mhambrey, Nilesh Kulkarni, and even one Vinod Kambli (his mumbhais) came up and flopped.
    Not that I support Ganguly in all this. If he has been playing politics and mind games with his middle order players, it is deplorable and I would rather see him go, and go the Chappel-way.
    tomorrow the board is going to meet and have some pastries and juice (as that mid-day article so helpfully found out for us), and hear these protagonists out. in the least they will come in with some pre-conceived notions and those will prevail.
    Indian cricket, for now, is not going to go the aussie way or the Chappell-way.
    We just have to hope that there's light at the end of the tunnel.

    By Blogger Dhruv Deepak, at 01:31  

  • K-Slice,
    SG probably would have done exactly the same except for people like RSD and Bedi and fans like Sunil Nain who will be quick to call him a coward and say that he was forced to step down. I am almost sure he'd have stepped down if this incident had not happened.

    By Blogger Jai, at 01:39  

  • Sorry folks, that one was meant for another thread. :)

    By Blogger Jai, at 01:40  

  • You guys have to quit questioning Greg's credentials.
    He has seen it all, done it all, been in every part of the team building process. Player, captain, selector, coach. There is no reason for him to have malicious intent when he is being paid so well, he's not trying to get in the team.

    By Blogger Dhruv Deepak, at 01:40  

  • Dhruv...Not questioning his credentials..But, for a guy who has always been in the forefront, it is not easy to move to a level which requires him to only be a backoffice boy.That is where the problem lies

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:54  

  • So I just read that midday article on what the review committee plans to do, and I'm utterly disgusted. It's not just that they're going to clear Ganguly, it's the way they're going to do it. They're not even going to address the issues in Chappell's email, and they're just going to waive away all the allegations of misconduct by saying "Ganguly was under a lot of pressure". The BCCI should change it's name from the BCCI to WALTO (We Are Like This Only)

    http://web.mid-day.com/sports/national/2005/september/119658.htm

    By Blogger roublen, at 02:05  

  • First of all accept the truth of INDIAN cricket:
    1. Ganguly is a mere liability to the team for the past two years. He is just stopping the chances of other youngsters. First, all the selectors needs to be sacked as they picked him as a player and also as a captain. Amarnath wisely said that these are bunch of jokers.
    2. BCCI was not suppose to leak the email which was confidential, they not only showed how good they are in terms of administration, they also showd their behavior in AGM elections. BCCI should be labelled as BullShit cricket club of INDIA.
    3. All the INDIAN players have attitude of me first and team next. They only care for their individual scores and performance to get handsome money out of their ads assignments. This ranges from Sachin to saurav to dravid. They are chokers and cannot perform on occasion when needed. Thats the reason INDIA has worst losing records in the tournament finals.
    4. I think the team selection process needs to be abandon and the new systems needs to be in place immediately. The selection process should count performance of each individual per match basis. Sometimes scores of 20's and 30's are more valuable than 100 made against mediocre team. The law of averages should be abandoned as most of the players play for themselves.

    By Blogger ravik1013zz, at 02:37  

  • Mate Torch I am sure you will find Mr Sidhus thoughts enlightening!!I have already admired Manjrekar.He quit when he realized he wasnt enjoying the game.He didnt hang around as some of the others who do.Also I find that he is someone who doesnt shyaway from asking the tough questions.Now mate theres 2 ways og going through your carrer.See in the world of today theres only that much that your talent can take you.Afetr that comes your willingness to work hard,improve your game as well bringing new aspects to your game.The likes of Rahul,Kumble Kaif have done that.Now that In simple is the AUSTRALIAN way.Itsthe reason the Aussue respect Sachin so much.They see in him a man whos so tlaented yet sombody who has consistently worked on his game.Same is the case with Rahul,Kumable etcetc.Ganguly as the head of thsi team should have not only lead the way but also insisted on the likes of Zaheer,Nehre to improve their game,attitude etc.Its time for someone else to take over,someone who caN SET AN EXAMPLE.!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 02:38  

  • I have the greatest admiration for Greg Chappell and his perception of cricket. This is because of a personal experience. After the Indian Teams recent trip to Sri Lanka when the team returned I happenned to return with on the same flight as Greg Chappell who sat next to me. We got around talking on Ashes series. This was right after England were beaten badly at Lords. Despite the loss he said that the England team is far better than the Australian team and that the England team would beat Australia. The England team does not realize how good they are. To say something like this after the Lords test and predict so accurately requires some genius. Greg Chappell may therefore know the cure for the ills plaguing Indian Cricket. Good thing is we have a coach who will not be pushed around unlike John Wright who I understand was pushed around throughout his tenure.

    By Blogger Cricket Fan, at 02:39  

  • I generally read this blog whenever I get bored and also probably to generate new marketing ideas. Lets see if my thinking makes any sense.
    1. Everyone would write about SG and write against him and of course sugarcoat it. It serves their purpose well. Why people who hate SG would like to more of that n would justify this (sugar-coated) hate thinking that they are unbiased in their thinking. People who are pro-SG(I am one of them) would also read it because ohh!! here comes another from this thinking hat. Clever marketing (Generate the passion among people to read about it) RD, SRT n others are two boring because of their simple life style, uncomplicated play, nice work-ethics...this hardly inspires readers to read about them....
    2. Yesterday in one of the articles on this blog it was written that SG had to move down the order in WC2003 after public outcry as he was somehow trying to hold his position at top...but then its selective reporting...SG and SRT were the most successful opening pair in ODI when VS came into pic and out of these two(SG and SRT) SG was more successful (of course in ODI only) then why he should be the person who would be pushed down the order to make room for VS why not SRT. might be because he is the captain so he has to decide it in teams favour (which might not be correct considering that) VS has not done real great at the top of the order. Yes he is playing well for those 40s but thats it nothing more...very recently in SL final he played very well for 48 but then it didn't help...i am sure many of us remember Netwest final SG did some job at the top to score 60 but that was not the job done Kaif n YS had to play the defining inning.
    Now coming back to VS moving at the top at the expense of SG what was the result.
    Earlier we had two top guys SRT and SG both playing at top and getting good starts for India. and VS making attractive 40s to spice up the indian innings
    What we have now..out of these three we still have one great guy that is SRT he is still playing great but then we another opener VS who plays well for his 40s but then not really converting them into big scores (which is needed to win matchs) and SG who is not even making those 40s leave aside big scores...so we almost have two batsman not doing justice to their potential because of the public outcry...:-)) so much for your just comments on matters of indian cricket.
    3. SG plays politics, He should play and play them real well. Why are we ashamed of an Indian playing politics. How are we so sure that GC is not playing any? The mail that he wrote is not a cricket report but character assassination of one of the more successful captains in India and world as well. SG might be just lucky but then it must be a conspiracy of GOD to give so many things to one guy. Wasn’t it the same street-smartness (or politics) which rattled Waugh and probably played an important part in downsizing Aussies team.
    4. Why all of us a so sure of GCs coaching credentials he was a pathetic coach. IT’S A FACT. South Australian teams recent history is testimony to this. Think about the vision statement that we all talk about. Probably all of us can write better than what he has written or use Power-point in a more effective way. I remember something from Luis Gustner former IBM’s CEO after joining IBM he famously said that at this point of time (IBM was at the verge of bankruptcy) we don’t need a vision statement and certainly IBM was able to sprint again without any vision statement.

    By Blogger Santosh Pathak, at 02:42  

  • Jai,
    I have asked this question before..

    How do you dream that ganguly would have stepped down anyway..

    I though you were pushing me to base my logic on facts..

    I haven seen any fact where Ganguly has even hinted to step down..

    He is flashing his batting records and centuries against Zim and Banglas before us.. How smart..

    I am sure Him mom will say "So ja beta.. varna bond aa jayega".

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:46  

  • Ok Ravi would you prefer GC taking a back room role and SG in fornt OR RD??

    By Blogger bulchee, at 02:47  

  • First of all accept the truth of INDIAN cricket:
    1. Ganguly is a mere liability to the team for the past two years. He is just stopping the chances of other youngsters. First, all the selectors needs to be sacked as they picked him as a player and also as a captain. Amarnath wisely said that these are bunch of jokers.
    2. BCCI was not suppose to leak the email which was confidential, they not only showed how good they are in terms of administration, they also showd their behavior in AGM elections. BCCI should be labelled as BullShit cricket club of INDIA.
    3. All the INDIAN players have attitude of me first and team next. They only care for their individual scores and performance to get handsome money out of their ads assignments. This ranges from Sachin to saurav to dravid. They are chokers and cannot perform on occasion when needed. Thats the reason INDIA has worst losing records in the tournament finals.
    4. I think the team selection process needs to be abandon and the new systems needs to be in place immediately. The selection process should count performance of each individual per match basis. Sometimes scores of 20's and 30's are more valuable than 100 made against mediocre team. The law of averages should be abandoned as most of the players play for themselves.

    By Blogger ravik1013zz, at 02:49  

  • I think they need a VIAGRA dose for these age old horses in the INDIAN cricket team. They need to re-vitalize themselves before playing in the final eleven. If you don't set good parameters for selection, you bound to select a weaker team which always brings frustration to the cricket crazy nation.

    By Blogger ravik1013zz, at 02:53  

  • INDIAN's should learn from other teams. Take an example of SRILANKA and New Zealand, how they made mockery of INDIAN team in the last two finals. INDIAN team is always a better team on paper but not on ground....
    LOOK at the past Gavaskar took 60 overs to make 36 in ODI. Look at Ravi shastri(Hai hai) played five consecutive maidens against Imran and Akram. These players are selfish and play for their own records. I hate INDIAN team.

    By Blogger ravik1013zz, at 02:59  

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    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 03:00  

  • is journo-trash declaring a guilty verdict without listening to both sides of the story an "indian way" or an "aussie way" ?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 03:08  

  • ok. Here we go..

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/220240.html

    The NOT simple way (as Manjrekar would say). Compromise and give SG a dignified exit. In the process, the cricket fan suffers because the BEST team will not be on the field...for the SL/SA series.

    By Blogger losing now, at 03:10  

  • The root cause for all the trouble is the way our system(read BCCI) works.Politics is deeply rooted in every aspect our lives in India.Why,then,should it be any different when it comes to cricket??Chappie is doing the right thing here--hez got self-respect and will not tolerate any kind of insubordination and unfair play.And,hence the mail to BCCI.Atleast the cat is outta the box--lets see if we can bell it this time or give it a mice or two and send it right back to where it was.With India,only time will tell....may the better(read political savvy) man win!!

    By Blogger sunnyside, at 03:12  

  • much ado about nothing.. That appears to be the BCCI attitude. given the compromise solution they are developing

    By Blogger losing now, at 03:20  

  • Mr Mock I am not bothered about whether SG is ocrretc or GC is coorect.He has qverstayed his welcome as batsman as well as captain.He deserves credit for taking the Indian team to the heghts of world cup.But now the team doesn nor seem to respond to his tactics.It was the same story last year.Indian team needs to get fitter,more dedicated and more important needs a man who sets high standards,not somebody who grinds his way to a century agaisnt an club level attack and says lsiten I am scoring runs!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 03:21  

  • Sanjay Manjrekar has a cricketing brain? ROFL.

    His astute response of "Why not BrettGrath" to Ian Chappell talking about a lethal bowler combo of "McLee" says it all. Very clever indeed!!

    umm..explains your unbiased account here.

    Mock Turtle, MCP (Member of Chennai Pattinam)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 03:22  

  • Hi All,

    Quite an interesting week, its been and I must say I have thoroughly enjoyed whatever is happening even at the cost of seeing two people spar in public and see the downfall of my favourite sport.

    But whatelse can one do when you are just the watching and paying public. You have no right in any matters in India you see.

    Anyways, touching on the important matters at hand, here are my views:

    1. I don't think there was any great deal of work done by the Wright - Ganguly team. It was just natural progression or depreciation. Whatever goes up has to come down and whatever goes down has to come up. See it this way: Did India have a coach when it won the '83 world cup or won the Benson Hedges 85 championship.

    2. I will put my money on Chappell at this point in time. I think, if not for anything, atleast there is something new and some change. How many times should the cricketers be told to keep their cup {mean mind/thought process} empty. One single thing never works in Sport or in any professional life. Its always new innovative thinking and application that brings better results each time. As far as Ganguly is concerned, hats off to him for having achieved what he has all these years, but everything must come to an end. Even the great Steve Waugh did retire and was chucked out the ODI team.

    3. Its really unfortunate that a sportsman of the stature of Ganguly is using off-field politics for his own good. This is what is most hurting. My boss used to say, Dude..its all about perception. and I think he has lost it as far as public perception goes.

    4. What has Chappell proved as a coach?? I have no data like I would have of Arsenal coach Arsene Wenger, to say he changed players thinking. Even otherwise, theres always a first time to put ideas into action and that is where Chappell scores over Ganguly. I would certainly vote for Chappell.

    5. Rest as we say, is not in our hands, except blog :-)

    Take care all,
    and have a nice time.

    Best,
    Naveen

    By Blogger Naveen Rao, at 03:24  

  • bulchee, but GC,MBE's accusation is not merely about "form". It is a vile charadcter assassination that needs to be proven with facts. But look at our journo-trash - they are already calling it the "aussie way" and in fact, I think they are in the process of giving GC a new title - MJT (Messaih for the Journo Trash).

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 03:26  

  • Mate mock u can start save SG club man.See dude wake up and smell the coffee.Making fun about SM does not chnage the fact that SGs batting sucked major time!!Bou did he dominate the zimbave attack!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 03:28  

  • too late in the night to wake up and smell coffee.

    true, SM will remain an idiot whether GC is MBE or MJT.

    btw, GC arrives late for the meeting. Should he not have taken into account such factors and booked himself on an earlier flight? surely, the bio-physio-MBE-frowno-technique considers such "situational delays" ?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 03:31  

  • Mate if its too late you could try smelling *@#%.That would probably wake ur dormant brain up.I am sure you are certified enough to declare SM idiot.After only an genius like you could find SG in current form capable of fitting into Indian team.By the way when did u play cricket last.Was it with UKGG kids?Coz thats the level of undersaynding you show!!!:-))

    By Blogger bulchee, at 03:37  

  • there is a jet flight at 0700 reaching 0835 he could have taken. i think instead he took the 0855 flight that reaches at 1030..or the IA that leaves at 0835 and reaches at 1005 ..and mumbai traffic you know..also ATC/weather related delays in Mumbai these days are bad.

    Interesting timepass while waiting for the verdict

    By Blogger losing now, at 03:40  

  • Blow by blow.. SG arrives.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/220240.html

    By Blogger losing now, at 03:45  

  • Prem questions the presence of pro- SG ...dalmiya in the review commjittee......but conveniently ignores the presence of anti- SG Ravi Shastri's presence there.....

    http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/27prem.htm

    By any chance what has been Shastri's contribution to deserve this honour ahead of other far more accomplished players?

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 03:50  

  • Kudos to you Prem!! Being an avid cricket fan, I have been following the controversy surrounding Indian cricket. But I have not come across an article as precise and hard hitting as yours. Nothing more to say. Keep up the good job.

    ~Ujjwal
    Carnegie Mellon University

    By Blogger Ujjwal, at 03:56  

  • chappell late. Oh my. Discipline = show up for a meeting late. Looks like he is already learning our culture. he must be embracing the compromise spirit already.

    By Blogger losing now, at 04:01  

  • agree with prem's article. as i said earlier.. much ado about nothing - that is BCCI's attitude on this. If you ignore a problem, it will go away ;-)

    By Blogger losing now, at 04:02  

  • event management BCCI ishtyle..
    1. People arriving late to meetings - GC, RS and Gavaskar
    2. No BCCI media management person - who cares about the cricket fans..they enjoy the game and will continue to do so
    3. Meeting starts without all members

    professionalism - thy name is indian cricket (from administration to players!). NOT

    By Blogger losing now, at 04:11  

  • http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=62047
    SA team 'lost ground under Chappell'
    Tuesday Sep 27 17:34 AEST
    The South Australian cricket team lost ground when managed by India's currently embattled coach Greg Chappell, former Redback Paul Wilson says.
    A battle of wills between Chappell and Indian captain Sourav Ganguly, including the leaking of an email in which Chappell expressed grave doubts about Ganguly's captaincy, has brought the former Australian captain's coaching record into focus.
    Chappell came to the Indian job with great fanfare in May, and it was widely reported in India his outstanding record when coaching SA was a factor in his selection.
    But the team's results in his five seasons in SA - no better than fourth in the Pura Cup between 1998-99 and 2002-03 - were mediocre, and Wilson said the team floundered under his leadership.


    "Greg Chappell's a fantastic individual skills and batting coach, but he was a poor coach when it came to looking after a group of people," said Wilson, who left SA for the 2002-03 season to play for Western Australia and now coaches the WA women's team.
    "When he was with SA a lot of guys fell by the wayside, Greg didn't seem to worry himself with a lot of the guys and they really didn't feel led.
    "It's only now under Wayne Phillips that the lost ground is being recovered."
    Chappell's appointment was partly inspired by the success of Adelaide's AFL Crows and NBL 36ers, which both won successive premierships with SA sporting legends as coach - Malcolm Blight and Phil Smyth respectively.
    "I think SACA fell in love with the idea of having a cricket icon as their coach," Wilson said.
    In addition to playing, Wilson worked for SACA as a marketing and development officer during Chappell's tenure.
    He said the result of the public relations-driven appointment was a coach who said the right things and looked the part - but did little to aid the team's development.
    "No real batting talent came through and I don't think he looked hard enough within his own squad or within the state for the players that could have improved," Wilson said.
    "His opinion seemed to form pretty quickly that this group is not responding so we'll have to look elsewhere, so they searched for interstate players and by and large they failed."
    Meanwhile, a generation of locally-grown talent drifted out of cricket.
    "Brett Swain, Brad Young, Mark Harrity, Ben Johnson, David Fitzgerald, Jeff Vaughan - there's six guys off the top of my head who are out of it, either retired or just playing club cricket," Wilson said.
    "They got disillusioned, they needed direction, and that's the pity because they didn't get it."
    Wilson said Chappell's assistant Tim Nielsen should have got much of the credit for player development.
    "Tim became a sort of quasi-coach," he said.
    "We were competitive but if it wasn't for the coaching of Tim and Darren Lehmann's captaincy the team really would have fallen in a heap."
    Wilson said many players coached by Chappell were surprised he was appointed Indian coach.
    "I hope he does a reasonable job for the sake of Indian cricket, and in this battle with Ganguly he may actually be in the right, but there wouldn't be too many guys who played under him in SA who'd be disappointed to see he's not going all that well over there," he said

    By Blogger SriramRaghavendran, at 04:24  

  • hmmm... looks like we bought the book by looking at the cover. 45 min presentation...enough to appoint a coach for few years!

    By Blogger losing now, at 04:32  

  • U guys might gleefully rub your hands thinking about pleasure of licking the feet of an Australian, but Indian Cricket's comeback kid will emerge the winner ... and he is here to stay...

    By Blogger Come on India!, at 04:47  

  • comeback kid - 33 year old kid. that's one big kid. i agree " he is a kid - when it comes to his mental age"

    By Blogger losing now, at 05:08  

  • Listen Common India man we need to accoet our lack of expertise man.Its a said but true fact that Indian coaches suck big time !!And ur SG sucks BIG TIME.May be he can lick JD feet

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:20  

  • bulchee : you do utter a lot bulchee(t) ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:22  

  • SG: jaggu uncle, jaggu uncle .. they want to drop me from the team. can u please convince the PE teacher to include me in the team. BTW, the PE teacher wants me to exercise and run and get fit. It really hurts.

    Jaggu uncle: Koi baat nahin beta. Eat this lollypop. i'll take care of the PE teacher. I'm the headmaster .. dont worry beta. take it easy..go play with your Dona doll.

    By Blogger losing now, at 05:22  

  • losing now, you have LOST it now ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:23  

  • mock: I lost it the day i became fan of india cricket man!

    By Blogger losing now, at 05:25  

  • regarding the comment abour Prem not mentioning shastri, ROFL, what did you expect? an unbiased report of events? he is Prem, MJT. (member of.....).

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:26  

  • regarding the comment about Prem not mentioning shastri, ROFL, what did you expect? an unbiased report of events? he is Prem, MJT. (member of.....).

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:26  

  • This discussion seems to come around to questioning GC's capabilities every now and then. Are we accusing GC of anything we didn't know already when we hired him? So why did we hire him in the first place? Did we expect him to change his way of management after taking charge of this Indian team? On the contrary, we hired him precisely for what he is and what he stands for. And, guys, its still too early to start judging the efficacy of GC's way. Whereas we have seen more than enough of SG's way and the conclusion is that the only way he can justifiably be a part of this team is as the "non-playing captain".

    I agree with lots of comments above that GC's way doesn't work in India. But I am a bit unclear as to what part of his way doesn't work. But if its the "hard work" and "winning at all costs" part then I don't see there's any pride in perpetuating our "Indian way".

    And let's not use those big words like "Indian Culture and Ethics here. People get away with murder using these words.

    And where's the doubt about the efficacy of an "Australian way"? A quick comparison between Australian team's record and that of the Indian team doesn't leave me with any.

    By Blogger Cupid, at 05:27  

  • geez, what will Inzy do if he isn't in the final XI?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:29  

  • Mock you can go ahead and paly with ur ukg kids!!and het sg to play with you H emight score a century also

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:32  

  • I think both Ganguly and Chappell should go. Ganguly is obviously a liability to the team now. And Chappell, in spite of being a cricketing great and all the hype surrounding him, is not that great a coach for a team, if you look at his performance as coach with South Australia. He may be a good batting coach or whatever.
    See the link: SA team 'lost ground under Chappell' http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=62047

    And he does not have the least bit of diplomacy. I do not see how someone like that can successfully manage a group of cricketers.

    By Blogger Jem Finch, at 05:33  

  • well, GC should definitely go. SG can be give 2-3 more matches to prove himself as a "non-captain player". if he fails, drop him.

    simple. SG's case is easy. GC is the cancer that needs to be removed ASAP.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:37  

  • waiting for the MJT and MSGBC (SG bashing community) to come up with a theory that Dalmiya twisted arms to get the aussie site to publish this story ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:39  

  • mock...where are your 'reliable inside sources' these days?

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:46  

  • Finch: You need diplomacy man! I agree man. I grew up in Lucknow..even the way we abuse in Lucknow is with tehzeeb. Ex. Aap Gadhe hai! Aap Chu...ye hai! Maybe, GC should tell SG.. Respected Sir, you are the best non-performer in the team. Your majesty, the god of offside, prince of kolkatta, sri sri - 1008 times - Saurav Chandidas Ganguly .. would you please step down. ;-)

    By Blogger losing now, at 05:51  

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    By Blogger losing now, at 05:51  

  • blwe, they will come into action after this meeting ;-) unless MJT buys them out!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:53  

  • my "sources " tell me that the reprt was deliberately leaked to the bengali daily to create the obvious impression.

    GC's master move to gain public sympathy.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:02  

  • I have disbanded my sources...when they failed to correctly inform me that Zimbabwe won't loose by an innings..after all!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:09  

  • http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/220240.html

    Its SG's turn... He is believed to have brought evidences against Chappell? God know what the hell is gonna happen... Li'l bird says that Sachin is gearing up for the throne!

    By Blogger Sriram, at 06:20  

  • http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/220240.html

    Its SG's turn... He is believed to have brought evidences against Chappell? God know what the hell is gonna happen... Li'l bird says that Sachin is gearing up for the throne!

    By Blogger Sriram, at 06:20  

  • Twist in the tale?
    Ashish Nehra arrives

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:38  

  • So many things are being written and told ...mostly against SG and to utter disappointment, without any valid proof ... Ppl are taking it for granted whatever GC is telling is true as if he is a maasiha who has come to rescue the Indian cricket ... Let us look at the other side of the coin ... GC has been appointed the coach of our team and is being higly paid and that decent salary he won't like to lose... also, he has begun his career as coach and if he fails to prove his point, it won't be a good beginning of his coaching career at all... Let us not forget, that he has never come to play in India and he is the captain who encouraged his fellow teammate to go for underarm bowling [one of the nastiest event in cricket history]...It is perhaps the unending and overwhelming sense of inferiority among us and an unmistakeable and unsupportable white-skin adoration which is prompting us to believe whatever GC has said is true...We are forgetting in this course that, SG has sacrificed his openning position in One-dayers for the sake of the team ... When he and Sachin put up quite a few number of outstanding openning partnerships - pace bowling, short pitched deliveries and all other odd things were still existent, but those things didn't stop him from performing ... does this really project him as a person who thinks of himself only? I dare to say, SG is perhaps the first captain who is absolutely free from any type of provincialism ... tell me, how many underperforming bengali players sustained their positions under his leadership ? Let me remind you of the facts, he has actually recalled VS, HS, ZK and others back to squad when these ppl went into oblivion after not being able to perform in their first few appearences ... why all the fellow teammates are standing beside him if he is so wicked as mentioned by GC? GC himself has mentioned that he asked every players in the team whether SG should remain or not ... what a wonderful gesture shown by the coach !!! by the statment, he has made it self-explanatory who is causing rift inside the team ...
    Unfortunately, we are still so much in the grip of collonial inferiority that we are at the risk of overlooking the truth...SG is underperforming nowadays, no argument about that , but all other accusations made by GC is not perhaps with the best intensions in his mind ... How come a wise person make those dangerous conclusions about a person/captain with whom he has worked for only a couple of weeks ? Can anyone answer pls ....

    By Blogger Abhishek, at 06:58  

  • Mock_turtle, I wish someone would tell you this, but "ROFLing" is not really a defense against more valid PoVs. I wish there was an ignore function, just for dorks like you.

    By Blogger Cow Tse Tung, at 07:10  

  • abhishek, just checked your surname; had to be...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:23  

  • moo-tse-tung, ROFL ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 07:29  

  • GC is paid a crore, right? Now, how is this extravagant for a cricket board rolling in money, Abhishek? And please don't start with the racist crap all over again. Weak Indians with an inferiority complex, you being a case in example, give the rest a bad name.

    How come a wise person make those dangerous conclusions about a person/captain with whom he has worked for only a couple of weeks ? Can anyone answer pls ....
    Maybe you can answer it for yourself, since you admit GC is "wise". Personally, if you worked with me, day in and day out for a few weeks, I'd know if you're capable enough, or just another lout.

    By Blogger Cow Tse Tung, at 07:31  

  • Rahul Dravid's oneliner on SG from press ...
    """SG has done a lot for the team, something which I couldn't have done when we were in the rebuilding process"""

    Have u herad this one ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:36  

  • 5:05pm - Meeting ends

    The Review Committee meeting ended and a press conference is expected to start soon.

    By Blogger deep cover, at 07:56  

  • deep cover, r u watching live?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:06  

  • Ranbir Singh Mahendra, the president of the Indian board, has said the following at the press conference immediately after the meeting. "The meeting concluded at 5pm and the commmittee has heard Greg Chappell, Amitabh CHoudhury and Sourav Ganguly. After hearing them, committee has discussed everything in detail and the committee was of the view that cricket is to go forward. Both coach and captain have to work out mutually and the professional working relationship are to be maintained, and for this performance will be the criterion. This applies to the captain and applies to the coach and the players. The committee has also taken a decision that henceforth no player, captain or coach will write or have any interaction with the media. Any player going to the media will face disciplinary action.

    "All these decisions have been taken by the committee to keep the interests of Indian cricket in mind. I would also like to clarify one thing: some of the points with reagrd to injuries attributes to Sourav Ganguly (fake injury etc), after hearing the concerned people the committee came to the conclusion that there is some miscommunication and whatever has been stated is far from the truth. The manager after briefing the committee about the tour has been withdrawn but the coach and the captain were together at the conclusion of the meeting and have assured the board that they will work together in the interest of Indian cricket."

    By Blogger deep cover, at 08:07  

  • If SG is let go, it will be the only case in history when a captain has been asked to resign after scoring a painstaking century...just kidding.

    We are going to be stuck with this combo until the SA series is over during which time more attention will be given to the paralinguistic relationship b/w SG and GC than the action on the field.

    By Blogger mustt_mustt, at 08:09  

  • No Saurabh just following the proceeding on Cricinfo...as expected a compromise has been reached ...not sure if this is good for Indian cricket....

    By Blogger deep cover, at 08:09  

  • Clap, clap, clap!

    Ok guys, back to work...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:11  

  • wimps - didn't have the guts to throw GC out. SG will stay? how? the team and the captain for the next series hasn't been announced. RD will be made the captain, i bet.

    but GC, MBE, i-will-complain-if- you-cough-too-loud" remains, hopefully with his wings clipped a bit. else, i feel sorry for RD/SRT or whoever the new captain is ALREADY.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:13  

  • The dressing room will be like a cold freezer or a bursting volcano henceforth. Mistrust willl be rampant. Progress zero. WC 2007 good bye.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 08:13  

  • Guys I get a sick feeling that there is another email on its way from GC asking the board to relieve him as coach of te Indian tem. Hope it does not come to that....

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 08:13  

  • Well said cow guys liike mock and blow and the rest of the ilk really over do thsi he firangi,we indian connection.Whatever said about GC apart none of these buggers think it was wrong on the paet of SG to make a staement in the middle of a test matc.After all given his JD connection what stopped him from talking to him directly??Ans the less said abt his batting the better

    By Blogger bulchee, at 08:15  

  • GC will resign?? YOOHOO - what a pleasant thought!!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:15  

  • You may abuse him as much as you want to you but the fact is the Prince is here to stay.

    So much for the ugly Aussie and his cooked up ludicrous allegations which were declared to be untruth today...

    By Blogger Come on India!, at 08:19  

  • Happened to see some part of the press Conf

    Salient features

    1. GC and SG will work together
    2. SG absolved of all charges made by GC
    3.SG ne'er faked injuries. Was a miscommunication
    4. Roles have been clearly identified for GC and SG
    5. SG and GC shook hands and smiled at each other
    6. Ban on players from talking to media
    7.Only captain and coach allowed to talk(only during matches)

    So much for all the furore that was created both in the media and in our blog

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 08:19  

  • suckers, all of us....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:19  

  • yay!!
    ganguly can claim a moral victory, GC can realse that he is just another chump we are paying to occupy a post. he should be gagged incase his toungue ever gets the better of his mind and starts talking. factionalism will now be rampant. even the peons at the bcci will tell gc to go screw himself. eventual loser: cricket india.
    well played dada. now if only you could score in double digits consistently we will play you as though we have an inborn handicap in the team. we will adjust time and again for you. we will act as though we have 10 players on the field with the eleventh beiing a gimp. and saurav ganguly the MAN will soon be called the dada of the nation. the savior himself. damn what would indian cricket have been without him. im sure the restrucuring would have been impossible. im sure without him we would have been stripped if not only ICC test and ODI status but also of the right to play cricket.
    wow see how much he has done for india. without him we would be F$%^&*d.

    feel free to respond oh SG lovers. im on the other thread created by prem

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:20  

  • Guess SG, JD and RSM are too thick skinned to wonder how their behaviour looks from the other side. On the other hand GC might show enough gentility to severe ties with such shameless maneuvering. And we have gloaters like mock turtle celebrating that as a victory not realising that the nose has been cut to spite the face.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 08:20  

  • That will be the saddest day for Indian cricket when a lazy ,arrogant,unfit and unaccountable man would win over a man who has championed accountability!! Hope it doesnt come to that!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 08:20  

  • Ravi, interesting, especially point 7 Only captain and coach allowed to talk(only during matches).

    Funny, I thought that was where the problem started :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:22  

  • What a wonderfully enlightening statement by Ranbir Singh Mahendra- NOT. Damn fool! Work it out amongst yourselves is the decision. Why, pray tell, have this commission then? To once again display the lack of balls of the entire board? They simply cannot take a decisive decision one way or the other. Can Chappell and Ganguly really be expected to bury the hatchet this quickly? Two individuals as stubborn as they both are will certainly have lingering feelings of resentment towards each other. All this does is spell doom as far as team chemistry is concerned for the next couple of series. One of them has to go. Indian cricket will only continue to spiral downwards with such a pathetic working relationship between the captain and coach. Not to mention the little matter of the captain still being in extremely poor form and unable to lead from the front from the crease or in the field (with the lack of effort while fielding). Apparently there will continue to be two camps within the team and the animosity will continue to grow amongst the players with feelings of a few receiving preferencial treatment. What a farce! I wish I could stop following Indian cricket. Betty Ford, are you out there? I need help.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 08:22  

  • guys, what else could have happened? ... seriously .. this was just a review committee and there was no way they could sack either party today. The either or scenario (or gc v/s sg if u may) was largely created by the media and is an over simplification ... Nowhere, not even in corporates, when two bigwigs are at odds, does it have to end with one of them having to go ... ultimately, i think it will be for the selection committee to decide whether saurav deserves a place in the team, whether he should be captain ... and as for GC, we have him on contract ... he has made his stand clear ... and that's that .. for all we know, similar views may have been made by several coaches in several selection committee meetings about several players in the past ... maybe even captains ... just that normally these things stay behind doors ... I am sure, GC would have raised the issue with the selection committee when they met next, if this leak had not triggered an immediate resolution attempt ...TO MY MIND THIS IS AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, AND I AM PLEASED THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO KNEE JERK ACTION TO CHOOSE ONE OVER THE OTHER. THAT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE SELECTION COMMITTEE .. IT IS THEIR JOB

    By Blogger Keep_it_Cool, at 08:22  

  • In a wahy I am glad Ganguly contiues to play.

    Can't wait to see him face Flintoff & Company :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:23  

  • There are 2 points I'd like to discuss. I noticed some of you have questioned the following -

    Why is the Aussie way necessarily better than Indian way?

    Why have I (and others) damned SG without proof!

    There is no hard and fast rule on doing things the Aussie way or Indian way. We just want more professionalism: you can call it the Aussie way or The New Indian way, it doesn't matter, as long as we go forward rather than stagnate. It's fine to be Indian, fine to be emotional, fine to be polite rather than abrasive, but when taken to extremes it hampers growth.

    Coming to SG, he has done a tremendous job for India, but let's ask ourselves how much contribution does he make in the batting/fielding/strategy department today. Is he replaceable? Yes. Is he replaceable with a better player and captain? Absolutely. Sehwag or Kaif, for one. Now, should we go with common sense or tehzeeb?

    By Blogger Sujata, at 08:24  

  • There are 2 points I'd like to discuss. I noticed some of you have questioned the following -

    Why is the Aussie way necessarily better than Indian way?

    Why have I (and others) damned SG without proof!

    There is no hard and fast rule on doing things the Aussie way or Indian way. We just want more professionalism: you can call it the Aussie way or The New Indian way, it doesn't matter, as long as we go forward rather than stagnate. It's fine to be Indian, fine to be emotional, fine to be polite rather than abrasive, but when taken to extremes it hampers growth.

    Coming to SG, he has done a tremendous job for India, but let's ask ourselves how much contribution does he make in the batting/fielding/strategy department today. Is he replaceable? Yes. Is he replaceable with a better player and captain? Absolutely. Sehwag or Kaif, for one. Now, should we go with common sense or tehzeeb?

    By Blogger Sujata, at 08:24  

  • GC gets away with all the lies he spread? at least fine him!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:25  

  • sure, pick SG's form but not his character. GC attacked his CHARACTER! there is a difference. *sigh*

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:26  

  • and the most of the media simply agreed with GC and and implied that SG is a "rumour mongerer" and whatever else he said. smacks of BIAS, sorry, sujata.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:27  

  • sahir
    sign me up for the betty ford clinic as well. i have 2 problems: the addiction to pain from following the action of these imbecels and the other being actually living in hope that it might change.
    saurabh wahi,
    yes yes yes. thats exaclty what i want to see. here is my ballsy prediction for ganguly's scores in 6 innings:
    4, 8 , 7, 22, 4, 0

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:28  

  • if those are his scores, he will be dropped - simple, no? ;-)

    anyway, out of here. later.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:30  

  • Ya true Imagine facing SH,AF,and the rest.Wow we might see some dance Bongla style

    By Blogger bulchee, at 08:31  

  • Sujata, well said.

    Frankly, I find the whole focus on GC/SC a waste of time. The root of the problem lies elsewhere and Prem has hit the nail on the head in his article on Rediff.

    “What, precisely, is the BCCI's vision for Indian cricket?”

    Factions and politics are part of life, so the dressing room is no exception. There is bound to be fiction when you have 13-15 highly talented individuals working together. It’s the job of the management to make sure that the team remains focused in it’s objective. And the BCCI don’t seem to have an objective or if they do, it’s a highly guarded secret, a bit like their website (as Prem had pointed out earlier).

    My love for English cricket is well documented, and of all the reasons I can list, the most important is their mission statement (from back in 2002) which was:

    1. We want to be the Best Team in the world by 2007
    2. We want restore Cricket’s place as the Number one Summer sport.

    Mind you, it wasn’t winning the Ashes, starting a successful Twenty20 format, creating a “Freddie Flintoff”, or signing a record £220 TV deal (they were just the by-products). And I heard Flintoff say today that 'We are still some way away from our goal, and hence the tour to the sub-continent is very important to us'. At least the English team knows what their focus is...

    Sad fact is (like Prem Pointed out today), none of us have any idea what the Indian Team is aiming for.

    Is it to:

    1. Be the best Test team in the world

    2. Win an overseas Test series

    3. Be the Best ODI Team in the world

    4. Beat Pakistan at all costs

    5. Win the 2007 World cup

    6. Any of the Above
    7. All of the Above

    I know the logical answer would be 7, but…

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:33  

  • yes mock yes
    he is the bane of indian cricket right now. once he goes i will surely throw a party, get wasted and puke with joy

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:33  

  • get wasted and puke away, regardless ;-) the sad truth is, india will continue to lose, with or without him and you all will have no target to pick on. really sad,no? :-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:34  

  • saurabh thats wishful thinkiing.
    you forgot number 8:
    let it drift like a rudderless ship. once in a while it will catch a few wins while the rest it will just exist.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:35  

  • mock, my whole hope was that he would give up captaincy, get back to form and then give me the pleasure of puking while i was watching him molest some A grade pinner by lofting him for a few straigh sixes. i guess he wants to stay as captain rather than as a batter. wait one cannot exist without the other therefore,....

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:37  

  • Its all over.. GANSG AND CHAPPELL TO STAY

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/220240.html

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:39  

  • k-slice, i still think he won't be made the captain for the next series. so yuor wishes may all come true. and GC may also turn a new leaf and learn to inspire instead of intimidate ;-)

    later

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 08:39  

  • Saurabh,
    What avg indian fan(like mock turtle) is looking for is,
    1)The best averages
    2)Rich crickters
    3)All the crappy statistics that do not good to "TEAM".

    By Blogger csh, at 08:41  

  • SG is already the captain atlest thst what i understood from the board's statement

    By Blogger JD, at 08:41  

  • csh, its' not what mock or the rest of the world thinks that interests me. It's what the BCCI have in mind that I want to know.

    After that, I can make up my mind if i want to invest my time & money on "BCCI Cricket" (The Term Indian does not suit this organization).

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:46  

  • yes saurabh
    i think i am going and filing anopther PIL ( i think one already exists) against allowing these sons of motherless goats to use my nations name to send a team like this anywhere.
    will do it in court when i go there tomorrow!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 08:51  

  • Charters, visions, mission statements don't have to be 100 pages long. A one line like "We want Man on the moon" works equally well as well.

    I remember reading the Aussie charter back in 2000 which said "We want to play exciting cricket". The rest is history...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:52  

  • well
    time to go drown my sorrows. long live SG. he is here to stay for atleast another decade. i really wonder... will he go quietly then or will he say look i have led us in 100 matches and won 25. thats so good. let me stay or uncle jaggu will bite you.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 09:03  

  • It struck me that Ganguly could have a future in cricket - I think he would make an excellent selector.

    As we keep reiterating, many of the players in the current team who are successful, or bordering on success were backed by him. He has a good eye for talent most of the time, he's just lacking it himself now days.

    I don't know the process or requirements of becoming a selector but I think Ganguly would make a great one in the not so distant future.

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 09:10  

  • K-slice, lol

    By Blogger Sujata, at 09:11  

  • Mahendra said:
    "We have demarcated the difference in roles between the captain and coach. The captain has to control the game. The coach has to do his own job. When mutual trust is there, then both can discuss each and every thing pertaining to the game. We cannot presume that there is no trust.

    I don't understand this. "Captain controls the game". So, what is the extent of the control? Does he controls the game on the field or does he also control the team?? "Coach has to do his own job"!!! What exactly is this job? Mahendra did not specify it!!

    So, the captain and the coach will discuss the game "when" mutual trust is there. Does it mean that mutual trust is not there NOW? If he is assuming that trust is there then why put "when" in the statement? If trust is not there then what kind of compromise is it??

    This, damn, Mahendra guy is even better that Dalmiya when it comes to making confusing statements...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 09:11  

  • Saurabh,

    English cricket had to go through some of the worst times both performance-wise as well as public interest before the the need for drastic changes was realized. I am bracing myself for the abyss that we are likely to face now.

    By Blogger Sandeep Nalgundwar, at 09:12  

  • The good thing to come out of this will be that SG will be forced to reconsider his fitness regimen. He will be under the spotlight with regard to his form and if he fails on a consistent basis, then it's curtains for him as a player and captain. Say hello to Dravid after that.

    GC will have to work out his PR with the bunch that is so assiduously loyal to SG. The Nehras and Bhajjis will not be able to throw their weight around - they'd have to shape up or ship out.

    In a way, this spat b/w the two has been good for Indian cricket coz it will put everyone inc the administrators under the eye of the discerning (but sometimes provincially minded) public.

    More than GC's future, it is SG's which is on the line right now.

    By Blogger mustt_mustt, at 09:13  

  • Mahendra said:
    All these decisions have been taken by the committee to keep the interests of Indian cricket in mind.

    Okay... So it is good for indian team to, now, have two power centers in the team. The unity and smooth working of the team will be enhanced ten-folds now that both coach and captain will try to assert their views. It is to be rememberd that both were not seeing eye-to-eye a few days ago!!! Wow... Best solution for the team and indian cricket... Taaliyaan....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 09:15  

  • Guys,
    How about signing this petition. The more the better

    http://www.petitiononline.com/WeR4Greg/petition.html

    Cheers

    By Blogger Nigel John, at 09:23  

  • nallu,

    problem is, unlike english cricket where public interest went down in the 80's & 90's, Indian cricket will not sufer the same fate.

    cricket is part of out 'genetic make-up' and the BCCI are aware of that!!!

    So they will continue to take us for a ride, and we will tag along...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:25  

  • Saurabh, Sad but true. As you can see BCCI has more important things to do than work towards betterment of the future. What else do you expect from a bunch of "honorary post holders" who do this out of their "love for the game". What I find absolutely disgusting is that in 2 years time, we have come from the 2nd best One-day team to 7th and still there are no changes !!! How do people justify their work ?

    By Blogger Sandeep Nalgundwar, at 09:43  

  • K-Slice

    Your prediction for Ganguly's upcoming innings reminded me of what had happened to Azhar in England as Captain.

    You said Ganguly will score 45 runs in 3 test / 6 innings.

    Azhar scored -
    13 and 0
    16
    5 and 8

    ie. 43 runs in 6 innings.

    Will History repeat itself?

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 09:55  

  • Very good post Sujata!
    Being a cricket lover, I must visit this site more often from now on. Ganguly's days are anyway numbered. He has nothing to give to the future of Indian Cricket. However stupidly BCCI may try to shield Ganguly from being murdered, he'll die a natural death anyway!

    -- Akshaya

    By Blogger Braveheart, at 10:25  

  • this blog comments section is, to my belief, a genuine reflection of the typical Indian hate-Bengal attitude reflected in mainstream media everywhere. ppl dont have a prob when Mumbaikars keep a stranglehold on dressing-room and boardroom politics, but the moment its smone from that 'outsider' state, it's a prob. as i saw smwhere above, a guy called abhishek has made a very decent and impartial post accepting the pros and cons on both sides and has therefore failed to end up saurabh-bashing and all. the next comment by smone called Saurabh Wahi says " abhishek, just checked your surname; had to be..." (his surname is chatterjee, i checked). this is SO typical. even sachin tendulkar has been a non-performer for the last year or so. and hasnt even been a good captain like ganguly. i am personally not a fan of ganguly or tendulkar. bt i am just pointingout the kind of trash you ppl come up with while making loud noises proclaiming your 'impartiality'. in this whole episode chappell has handled the issue uglily and has obviously been trying to play at power games. so possibly has saurav. and his recent (andnot-so-recent) eprformances do not merit his inclusion in the squad perhaps. but its the fucking one-sidedness of the whole reporting here (and in rediff as i have observed over the yrs, and form where i came to know of this blog) that irritates me.

    By Blogger Soumik, at 10:45  

  • *excuse the typos.

    By Blogger Soumik, at 10:47  

  • Soumik:
    There is nothing against people from bengal or from Mumbai. We have to understand one thing. Every hero is a bore at last So is SG now. Do you remember what happened to MA (though he was embroiled in a diff issue), KD, SG etc.
    But I think it is our very nature to get bored with one person very easily and very soon and then start squabbing about regional attitude!

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