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Thursday, October 06, 2005

Crime and punishment?

A blog regular, Murali, sent me this link just now.
It's an interesting read, in its entirety; here is the part that should get you thinking:
One of the Indian players was fiddling around with Mr Greg Chappell's laptop at Harare and accidentally accessed the controversial e-mail b) Ganguly carried 11 e-mails written by Mr Chappell criticizing various players and presented it to the BCCI review committee at Mumbai.
Presuming that this report is true, the unauthorised access by the Indian player who did not stop at merely reading the Sent Mail Box in Chappell's computer but went on to make and circulate copies to others actually committed Hacking which is a cognizable offence under the Indian laws.
Moreover, by carrying 11 similar mails which can be inferred as Stolen from Mr Chappell's Computer and presenting them before the review committee, Mr Ganguly appears to have been a party to the Data Theft and liable for Conspiracy under the laws in India.
What is also relevant is that, if such a crime recognized in Indian law comes to the knowledge of the Police, they have the right to act on the information and start an investigation without waiting for a complaint from the victim.
The reporter has therefore opened a Pandora's box by revealing the fiddling of the computer without realizing that he is actually reporting a Cyber Crime.


  • At first I thought it was Ruchir with his usual whining, but It turned out to be PP, Yeah prem what do we do ? Yeah Please report this guy (Ganguly) for cyber-crimes, Gee - that will keep him out of the Indian team for a while. ;)

    Btw - If that was the case shouldn't all those, who jumped the gun and claimed that BCCI (Read JD/RSM etc) leaked the email to the media, go and offer their apology to JD/RSM etc ?

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 12:09  

  • The problem oracle guy is not SG but the player who was fiddling around with GC's computer and who 'happened' to see this email. This is a serious breach of trust and in the words of ganguly "you can imagine the character of the person who will do such a thing when given access to the laptop."

    By Blogger Amit, at 12:18  

  • oracle: For Christ's sake, what is with this tunnel vision? Does every statement you see have to be viewed as an attack on your hero, and hence immediately defended against?

    In fact, you are so intent on this defense, you stretch things to breaking point -- the two issues are not synchronous.

    All this report, and earlier reports, suggest is that some player (and no one has named the player, far less suggested it is Ganguly, so not sure what you are bristling about) peeked into GC's computer, found a mail, and spread the word. It does not automatically follow, though, that the text of the mail, hitting the headlines on the day the board botched up its AGM, was the work of that player.

    If all that 'apologize' bit is aimed at me, I will, gladly. The day the BCCI finishes its probe and tells us who leaked what to whom and when, I will know who to apologise to.

    Think the BCCI will ever finish that probe? No? Does that tell you something?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 12:23  

  • Prem:

    This is not as simple as it looks. The key is the laptop. Who did it belong to? Was it Greg Chappell's personal laptop? If so, then the crime is serious. If not, then was it an official BCCI laptop? If so, was the access restricted to the coach only or to other people also? Note that if you are sending an email from a computer at work, the email is NOT personal but the property of the company issuing the computer. Before we start attributing blame let us get a clear idea of who the laptop belonged to. We are treading on murky waters here.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 12:27  

  • Prem, the incident happened in Zimbabwe. I dont think the Indian courts or police can take any action. They probably do not have the jurisdiction unless it was a crime under Zim laws and their police or government asked India to participate in the investigation.

    By Blogger mangesh, at 12:30  

  • hjrsingh: no quarrels with that, mate. Do note, I found a story -- in fact, was sent the link in email; it relates to Indian cricket, which is this blog's primary focus; I linked to it. End of story. I am content to judge once the evidence is all in -- if it ever is, which knowing the BCCI, it never will be.

    On a related note, it's kind of funny. Suppose a player says Saurav is a wonderful captain. Suppose I link to that story, and I clip that particular comment and put it in quotes here. I don't see anyone interpreting it as a pro-SG comment. If, though, you link to another story that has negative connotations, it is immediately interpreted as part of a crusade. Weird, no?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 12:31  

  • Oracle - Is Ganguly your Hero?

    By Blogger J, at 12:34  

  • We should infact garland all the leakers as it only benefits Indian Cricket. Now all the players will be bothered about is performance

    By Blogger J, at 12:36  

  • Prem-ji, do you think Chappell is stupid enough to leave his computer open for access by anybody when he is in the midst of a high voltage drama? Moreover, he has got a bunch of chamcha aka support stuffs hanging around all the time. If Ganguly did not take direct printouts and someone forwarded him the emails, then Ganguly is not party to any crime unless one can prove that Ganguly asked that someone to hack into Chappell's computer and forward him those emails. I thought you said it was Chappell's journalist friend LP Sahi who may have leaked the confidential emails. Aap mahan ho Premji, angle chahe koi bhi ho, sirf Ganguly ke khilaf hona chahiye.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 12:39  

  • hrsingh,

    foret the criminal angle for now. Doesn't matter whose laptop it was personal or official, its a matter of breaching trust . Would you want to be working with such a guy ?

    But Before we go and rant about this we need to make certain it is true. Where was it reported ? How did this 'Na Vijayshankar' guy get this report ?

    By Blogger Amit, at 12:45  

  • bhairo: Sorry to be rude, but do you know the difference between saying something, and linking to a report written by someone else? Dedh saare savaal pooche hain, aapne: Is chappell stupid, what about the support staff, if Ganguly did this and not that it is not a crime, can you prove that Ganguly asked someone to hack... ek baat bataiye, what is the byline on this story? Does it read Prem Panicker?

    Aapne kaha, angle chahe koi bhi ho, sirf Ganguly ke khilaf hona chahiye

    Iska jawaab yeh hai, ki story chahe kuch bhi ho, sirf Ganguly ki thaareef mein honi chahiye... nahi tho aapka BP ka satyanaash ho jata hai.

    Chaliye sir -- yeh Saurav-naama mujhe bahut bore lagta hai; I'll keep linking to stories as I find them, you keep interpreting them in ways that suit your mindset, let's both be happy.

    Over, and out

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 12:47  

  • Oye Prem-ji,
    Gussa mat karo paaji. Mana ke story aap ka nahi hai, lekin aap ne jab post kiya, toh apna comments zaroor diya, barabor bola ke nahi? Premji, ab baat yeh hai ke aapka yeh expert comments hamesha Ganguly ke khilaf hi kiyun rehta hai? Mujhe story se koi problem nahi hai, chahe woh Ganguly ke khilaf ho ya paksh mein. Par afshosh yeh baat ka zaroor hota hai jab aap jaise mahan sport jurnalist uss story ko apna angle se anti-Ganguly roop se pesh karta hai. Story bhala hi aapka na ho, comments to ji aapka hi hai. Agar aap zimmedari nahi uthana chahte ho to meri rai mein aap aaynda aisi story kripya post na kare. Ruchir ko kahe post karne ke liye. Bechara woh toh pehle se hi badnam hai, usse fark nahi padega. :)

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 13:01  

  • Prem - I was reacting to this bit in the report :-

    Mr Ganguly appears to have been a party to the “Data Theft” and liable for “Conspiracy” under the laws in India.

    My mesg to the reporter, get a life dude, give the guy(ganguly) a break.

    My post wasn't even aimed at you, just because there is a comment section and I post a comment, doesn't mean it was aimed at you. The apology part was for the Dungurpurs of this world and for the hacks in media who jumped the gun(that includes anyone) who accusd Dalmiya of leaking the email)

    Lastly - Ganguly isn't really my HERO. IMO he should be dropped as a player/captain but that doesn't mean I support all the dirt that is being said about him by a certain section of media.

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 13:03  

  • bahiro: Excuse me? What comment did I make? This is what I said:
    "A blog regular, Murali, sent me this link just now.
    It's an interesting read, in its entirety; here is the part that should get you thinking:"

    Isme aapko itni badi bhaashan dene ki mauka kahan se mili?

    Chaliye, you are welcome to your opinions; by the same token, I have the right to mine.


    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 13:07  

  • oracle: cool. And for my part I meant exactly what I said -- I *will* apologise, if I am proved wrong. I have in the past, I will in the future, any time. I don't claim to be an oracle, guy :-)

    Keep saying this -- have to work. Adios.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 13:09  

  • Premji, Sorry at least on this post. The comments sounded so much like your's, I did not even recheck that it was from the Sify report. I just checked it now and hence this sorry post. But Prem Paaji, Ganguly ke baare me tusi zaroor badnaam ho. Ek chutkula sunata hoon aap ko jo apni doston mein bahut mashhoor hain. Ek reporter ko ekbaar Ganguly par Prem paaji ka opinion chahiye tha, par aap bahut busy the. Us reporter ne apne boss ko bataya ke Prem P unavailble hain. Boss ne reply diya 'chalo koi baat nahi. Raj Singh ya Bedi ka opinion le lo. Kya fark padnewala?' :))

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 13:12  

  • bhairo Singh - Prem had also said in one of his posts that Chappell should be sacked becuase effectively Ranbir Singh called him a liar.. tab to aap ne Prem ji par pakshpaat ka aarop nahi lagaya tha...

    By Blogger Tiger, at 13:13  

  • Oye Tiger, Prem ji ka woh comment sarcastic tha. Itni si baat aapko samajh mein nahi aaya Tiger bhaisaab?

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 13:17  

  • >>>J says :- Oracle - Is Ganguly your Hero? <<<

    I leave it on you to decide, here is what I think about him.

    1. He used to be a great batsman but now he sucks and should not be selected for team India

    2. Tactically He never was a great captain but he did make a TEAM out of brilliant individuals, had good success, but off late he has been struggling as a captain, so he should be sacked.

    3. He has always been the whipping boy of a certain section of media (even when his team was winning or when he was performing as a player)

    4. There are just too many conspiracy theories floating around and most of are directed against him.

    5. He should drop himself, but If he doesn't he is within his rights to continue because he has been chosen by five wise men. If at all the media and the Coach should be questioning More and co. and not Ganguly himself. We can criticize him for not dropping himself, but the moment we start attacking him personally or write stories (such as this thred by Prem), we cross the line.

    6. Chappell isn't really a paragon of virtue and I have no reason to believe him over Ganguly or anyone else.

    I guess now you can judge, if Ganguly is my Hero or not. If you think he is, so be it.

    By Blogger Oracle Guy, at 13:18  

  • Well, isnt it also possible that Chappel's famous mail got leaked by our "Hacker" ?

    By Blogger Timepass, at 13:26  

  • I thought SG got those emails from LP/Telegraph...wasn't that..sort of...reported earlier ?...ahh anyways...thats hardly the *point* in this whole brouhaha

    By Blogger worma, at 13:37  

  • worma paaji, where was it reported? Only Prem paaji had informed us that LP is one of Chappell paaji's close journalist friends.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 13:39  

  • All of this distracts from the game of cricket, which if does need reminding, is played on the field. With the apparent insecurity and 'fragility' of many Indian cricketers, it would be better to avoid making an example of any of them in public.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 13:41  

  • hmm...bhairo...maybe i read it here only...not so sure. But I do seem to remember reading a lot about GC sending mails to journalist friend criticising players....maybe thats how we assumed SG landed up those mails...which may or maynot be correct

    By Blogger worma, at 13:46  

  • Worma paaji, reading about Chappell's journalist friends elsewhere is ok, but Lp Sahi being one of Chappell's close buddies, I heard from Prem paaji. I had to swallow a couple of Hajmolas to digest that.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 13:55  

  • Any legal experts here to comment on Mangesh's comment that Indian cyberspace doesnot extend to the land of Zimbabwe and as such the Indian police cannot take any action on this 'hacking'?
    Off course it still is a breach of trust - does anyone know how many from the team that toured Zim are computer literate?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 13:57  

  • Amarnath must be secretly smiling away.. na rahega laptop, na hogi email leak!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:14  

  • But then would Amarnath have gone the way of calling a spade a spade and asked for its removal from the living room?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:16  

  • lol tiger!!

    By Blogger Mayur, at 14:30  

  • Looks like a new angle on the email leak. its more this time chaps

    By Blogger inoc, at 14:50  

  • inoc,
    The link doesnt work for me.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:55  

  • What a misleading and unprofessional article! The guy who wrote it is more unprofessional as a journalist than the BCCI jokers are as administrators. Some muddy reference to a "leading periodical": why not come out and name it for god sake.

    Moreover, who did GC write those 11 emails complaining about the players to? If it were written to the board, there was no need for SG to carry copies when he approached them. If he wrote it to SG, he was within his right to take them. I don't get this angle at all. Of course one has to assume that the 11 emails story is itself accurate.

    Prem, I would appreciate you telling me what you think of these news blurbs from a journalist's viewpoint? How and where do you draw the line between investigative reporting with credence, and rumors and innuendo?

    By Blogger TFFY, at 14:59  

  • toney:

    On Tehelka, they have not given the whole article. Just 1 paragraph, and they say you have to subscribe to read the rest.

    Try this.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:03  

  • Prem:
    I actually read the story which first described the 'hacking' incident. it appeared in 'India Today'. I also referred to it in two of the comments sections that day. The first thing that occurred to me was- 'Who really leaked the e-mail?' The access also gives a plausible explanation for the e-mails Gangulyn revealed at the meeting. One of the stories doing the rounds in the media blitz is the fact that the most uncomfortable moment for Chappell was when his e-mails to journalists were revealed. If Ganguly had taken them from his computer, then this makes sense as Chappell would have relied on his confidantes to keep silent and would not have been expecting Ganguly to have those mails.
    It actually makes a lot of sense when you think about but let's face facts-there will never be hard evidence for any of this. Nobody is interested in releasing the truth after kissing and making up.
    However, considering that a Kolkatta newspaper first released the e-mail and considering who had the most to gain from it being released, it is within the realm of speculation that Ganguly could just as easily be responsible as Dalmiya. Motive, opportunity, means!
    That gives a totally new spin on things, wouldn't you say? Counterpoints, anyone?

    By Blogger djlykan, at 15:08  

  • What another story within the story of the story!!! As if the whole BCCI politics, the Ganguly-Chappell controversy etc. were not enough, we now have the "How the email was leaked" controvery. God knows what's coming next.

    By Blogger oz, at 16:11  

  • All this FUSS, including by Prem.
    The very point raised by Bhogale. NEED SOME REAL GOOD CRICKET SOON rather than these useless meaningless arguments and counter arguments.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 00:02  

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