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Thursday, October 20, 2005

DD gets another go

The news is, folks, that you are stuck with DD for the duration; the BCCI having decided to award the rights for the SL and SA ODIs to that body. What that means, for the quality of coverage, needs no reiteration.
What is equally interesting is the government's decision -- this, in an age of privatisation -- that in future, even if some other broadcaster wins the rights to the telecast, the feed has to be shared with DD. Oh well -- good news for the Arun Lals of this world, who are now assured of a steady gig; not sure it is good news for those fans who have been watching, with envy, the kind of coverage the likes of Channel 4 provided during the Ashes.
Update: Rahul Bhatia weighs in with his take on the telecast issue, on Cricinfo. This is the crux:
But not for now. It is known that within the marketing committee are two camps: one with ESPN-Star Sports, and the other preferring Zee. Bindra, firmly entrenched in one of these, has accused the other camp, which includes Jagmohan Dalmiya, of loading this year's bid invitation in favour of one major broadcaster. Meanwhile, Zee has gone to court yet again, claiming that the requirements on the invite have ensured its exclusion and, as an incentive, has offered to drop all its court cases if the board awards it the rights. But the board is upset with Zee for the court cases of the past year. Even the channels are fed up.
Meanwhile, while series after series is awarded to Prasar Bharati, who once asked to be paid for broadcasts, the board can only count its lost earnings. The series against Australia and Pakistan were the jewels of the four-year rights, series whose value could be matched only by a private channel. Prasar Bharati ended up with them for a price so low that Bindra, who dreams of a channel run by the board, all but blew a gasket. These were earnings that should have been poured back into cricket, earnings that should not have been used for legal fees and regular meetings. It was shabby work. Considering how watertight the BCCI has been with its legal documents and agreements, one has to ask, was last year's tender document, where this all began, open to interpretation accidentally? Or was it done on purpose?

Things have come to a pretty pass, haven't they, when the ICC is moved to write to the Prime Minister about the issue?

136 Comments:

  • I was just blog surfing around and found you! You have a really nice blog site. If you are interested, go see my weird auctions site. It's just a fun site but you may find something to entertain you.

    By Blogger blogme, at 13:51  

  • Prem, on the comment about arun lal, is he any worse than ravi shastri.

    IMO, among the indian commentators, only Harsha at times and Manjrekar when India are playing are the only 2 worth listening to.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 13:56  

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    By Blogger blueboy, at 13:56  

  • Prem...TWI got the production rights...doesnt that mean they'll decide on the commentary team etc? And DD just 'broadcasts' the feed? How was it in recent times...when DD got the rights...were they also producing it themselves or was it TWI then also?

    Btw...what about govt directive to share the feed? I wonder if that came because of the ICC letter to our PM? I find it wrong on part of ICC...why didn't they meddle in ECB's tv rights issue...recently there was a huge outcry over the rights going to sky...away from terrestrial tv...nothing done about it. Why did they meddle with India? (unless this is separate...and govt has decided on it themselves)

    Anyways...sharing the feed with DD doesnt affect those who want to enjoy quality coverage on ESPN/ZEE or any other winner. Its just less revenue for the non-DD channel....but for us it doesnt mean having to bear Arun Lal in case DD doesnt win the original bid :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:01  

  • worma: I need some insight into all this actually, was planning to email Harsha and ask him what the nuts and bolts of these deals were.
    I do remember, though, that TWI also produced earlier DD broadcasts -- but DD on those occasions decided who would do the commentary. Need to check that one out, too. Will do, today, and hopefully hear from HB in the near future

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:06  

  • ok..thx...although i do remember in earlier times TWI had their commentary team...Shastri being in it...but probably those were different times..the BCCI tenders were also of diff kind.

    Anyway...will wait for updates from you.

    Btw..your take on the ICC 'intervention' ?? Hypocritical?

    By Blogger worma, at 14:11  

  • On a tangent, rahul bhattacharya offers an almost ball by ball commentary on SGs duleep trophy innings yesterday.

    Big and shuffling, VRV kept steaming in from across the ground. He landed it on a length and Ganguly left it alone. He landed it on a length again and Ganguly flashed uppishly but wide of gully for four. He pitched it further up and Ganguly creamed it square for a pretty boundary. He dug it in once more and Ganguly ducked. He went round the wicket and Ganguly shouldered arms. It was Ganguly's last ball of the day. Doubtless the tussle will resume tomorrow and the same two hundred-odd will watch on. A few hundred million others will be interested.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 14:11  

  • Here's the link to Rahul's piece.

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/222674.html

    By Blogger blueboy, at 14:12  

  • worma, The private channels wont be amused at the idea of sharing feeds. First of all, channels like ESPN are more than capable of handling this alone. Secondly, they will miss out on huge advertising revenues. Any company in India knows that DD has a higher viewership, so they'll advertise their products on DD.
    ESPN also depends on the revenue from being pay channels. If DD shows the matches, cable companies might opt out of having ESPN in their listings.
    IMO, companies like ESPN and the rest should stay away from bidding for these games, at least for a year. That'll mean, the BCCI is forced to sell the rights at a much lower price and then they'll realize their folly.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:12  

  • worma, whats wrong with the ICC asking PM to intervene? (I dont know if the PM is the right person though). Its not hypocritical, Eng did not have any confusion as far as the telecasts were concerned, or even who would be doing it. But in India, you dont know, till a week before the matches as to who would bag the rights. The day will not be far when a series will be played with no TV coverage, because of these intellectuals in the BCCI. Remember, Aus threatened to not tour India if they rights issue was not finalized.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:16  

  • toney I agree with you....although there is another side to it. If the govt directive comes to share the feed in 'national interest' then obviously the private channels, along with BCCI, can ask the govt to modify the directive (or even interpret the current one) such that DD will have to carry the logo and advertisements from the private channel...thus not making profit on its own.

    I dont think the private channels would mind this arrangement too much (ten sports has done it in the past) as that means effectively more people watching the telecast of private channel's program (cricket match in this case) thus the private channel being able to demand a higher price from its advertising sponsors...since more eyeballs are involoved

    But yes they would loose out money on subscriptions as you said. Although I think the advertising revenue would make up for it.

    On a side note....I think this serves them right...I mean the private channels....they have been too greedy....because outside India the 'pay channels' dont carry advertisements...not so much atleast...as they do in India.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:20  

  • Prem,
    Would it be possible to extract information from BCCI using the new Right to Information Act (http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/oct/20spec1.htm?q=tp&file=.htm)

    By Blogger lonedesi, at 14:23  

  • toney....as I said in an earlier comment (in ruchir's post) that I agree that our tv rights have been a mess....but what right does ICC have to intervene? As long as we have tv converage of all matches. I dont think we would *ever* see a day when there is no coverage (with so much money invovled....I dont think any of the involved parties would let that happen..even if that means making 100k people work overnight to get the arrangments done ;-)

    And till that doesnt happen...ICC should keep shut.

    As far as I know....their 'intervention' has been to ask govt to direct BCCI to give rights to DD. Not about sorting the mess out. So...why? When they didnt ask ECB to give rights to terrestrial tv?

    By Blogger worma, at 14:23  

  • lonedesi: That, to my mind, is one of those gray areas -- given that the BCCI in court constantly argues that it is a private body. The Supreme Court ruled that it functions in the public domain, and is therefore answerable to the courts, but I am not yet sure what that means vis a vis the RI Act -- Rahul Mehra is the best person to give us a take, will ask him.
    Then again, even if the act applies, good luck trying to get the board to give you anything substantive. :-)

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:25  

  • Agree with worma. The private channels do need a kick in the backside.
    Also I guess the way the English board has done dirty by its followers by selling all rights for the next few years to SKY sports for which viewers have to pay a pretty hefty sum has not been missed by the GoI. Good work by Manmohan Singh and co to make providing the feed to DD mandatory. This will stop the obscene amount of money the private channels were throwing in from entering the system and corrupting the whole set-up. Hopefully the provate channels might use those funds to cover other sports!!

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:29  

  • Prem,
    Would appreciate if you can check with Rahul on this and post his response. Also, if the act applies to BCCI, isn't it legally obligated to provide the necessary information in a stipulated time? Do you think, BCCI will find loop holes to get away from disclosing? If it can evade responding, is this RI Act of any use at all?

    By Blogger lonedesi, at 14:33  

  • Prem,

    Welcome back, hope your wife is doing fine. We all missed your comments. Hope you will have lot of good things to write about in the coming series with RD in charge.

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 14:34  

  • Guys. 7.5 Cr/match = approx $1.75m/match. Wasnt Nimbus offering $2.5m per match?

    By Blogger losing now, at 14:38  

  • And by the same token, if sharing the feed with DD reduces the price the private channels can ask from the cable operators, I hope someone at Dish NEtwork and Direct TV also realises that cheap net feeds will also make them cut down their pay-per-view tags - I used too be really aghast at the prices they demanded for cricket against other sports and even within cricket, Indian matches vs other countries'.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:40  

  • losing now,
    good to see you on the blog, counting my chickens before they hatched, was I?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:45  

  • losing now,
    DD given feed for altruistic purpose- just so that people without pay channels can watch.
    Although, I reckon it's just the BCCI taking the simple way out for now and once again delaying the decision. Now that they have bought themselves some time, they will use it by forgetting about the issue until the 11th hour, just as they did this past offseason. And then, once again some stupid temporary fix will be proposed to buy some more time.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:48  

  • gardhabh: There is a term in economics called "price discrimination"..they idea is to setup your pricing (for profit maximization)so that people with "less elastic demand" pay more. Only a monopoly provider can successfully execute price discrimination.Indian cricket watcher's (especially in US) demand is fairly inelastic...ie. the quantity purchased will not change much even if price were raised to the high end of a "reasonable band". For this reason, they price Indian games higher. Now with alternate media (willow, ss etc), they may "lower" the price unless they know that Willow/ss etc are an alternate channel to get to the price sensitive (elastic) segment. So the inelastic segment will buy Pay-per-view on Dish/Direct and the price sensitive one on Willow etc. The trade-off they are looking when pricing it is - the lost revenue from inelastic customers by lowering price vs additional revenue due to new elastic customers...and i am sure over years of pricing this event, they have developed this strategy (at least, i think they should have)

    By Blogger losing now, at 14:49  

  • Govt changes uplinking laws for cricket telecast by Prasar Bharti
    NEW DELHI, OCT 20 (PTI)
    The government tonight changed cricket telecast policy to enable public broadcaster Prasar Bharti to telecast all cricket matches featuring India at home or abroad, besides all semi-finals and final matches.

    Broadcasters and sports telecast right holders would have to mandatorily share feed of all matches where India is featured with Prasar Bharti, Information and Broadcasting Minister Jaipal Reddy told reporters after the Union Cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh cleared changes in uplinking and downlinking policy.

    Revenue from the telecast would be shared between the sports right holder and Prasar Bharti in the ratio of 75:25.

    "But in respect of matches where the (telecast) rights have already been purchased, the mandatory sharing of the feed with Prasar Bharti will apply to (only) finals and matches where India is featured," he said.

    Where telecast rights have already been sold, Prasar Bharti will not get rights to telecast semi-finals matches unless India features in it.

    Reddy said Prasar Bharti will telecast the rights so acquired on its terrestrial channel and DTH.

    "This decision has been taken to remove any uncertainty in the whole process," he saidk.

    For sports events other than cricket, matches for mandatory sharing of feed with public broadcaster will be decided in consultation with Sports Ministry, sports bodies and rights holders, Reddy said.

    By Blogger P K, at 14:49  

  • Sahir: Yes, you were. The chickens hatched y'day ;-). It will be a great World Series. Looking forward to our daily pow-wow. Good to see you again.

    By Blogger losing now, at 14:51  

  • losing now,
    thanks for the eco lecture. I just hope that even if Dish and Direct have developed this strategy to a fine art, the drop in revenue because of the advent of competition will force them to climb down - I remember one occasion when they were asking some ridiculous amount like 100 USD for an Indian series and then one of the south Asian channels carried it free to air and Dish was left with egg on its face.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:57  

  • rpg: Thanks, mate; deeply appreciate all the good wishes.
    Will likely be more off than on this week -- there's a heap of subsidiary tests I need to take my wife for; but hopefully by next week, my contribution to the blog should be back on track.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:57  

  • Which leads me to a question, why channels like Zee or Setmax show the match in India but the same channels in US show regular programming?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:58  

  • interesting article there by rahul bhatia... what has been more of a disapointment was the form of bhandari... he was considered to be the next in for a long time... per the article he seems to be losing his touch or atleast his pace... seems like one more example of a guy making his rounds in the domestic cricket...

    will be looking forward to rahul's article tomorrow...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 14:59  

  • take ur time prem... we all r really glad to see u back and to know that ur wife is doing well... though u have been missed, ruchir and worma have done a commendable job to fill in... kudos...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 15:00  

  • gardabh: You are welcome. Anytime, you need eco guidance..just post the query *L*. Frankly, i do not like the prices they charge and i am glad that they had egg on their face. I, personally, do not like watching it on the computer (you are never sure what quality you will get)..and the only reason i have DISH at home is for cricket. Now with DISH & Direct TV splitting cricket and with Willow quality improving.. I will probably dump DISH and switch to Willow anyway.

    By Blogger losing now, at 15:03  

  • Dont really get it. Do you read same article PP as others. Because in the article its clearly mentioned that DD wouldnt be producing it. But its gonna be TWI. DD is just gonna get the live feed which they will telecast. And FYI DD still have best reach area/population wise in India than any Ten or Star sports. A few months back i was in India and Ashes and Lanka series were being telecast on two different channels. And none of the 4 places i stayed in had both the channels. I mean there were people who couldnt watch the India games live.

    Only issue i can see with DD broadcasting the series is they some time cut the last ball of the over. But if you are here in US you wouldnt be affected by it.

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:12  

  • And Govt is right if it wants the feed to be shared. Cricket is no more a game played in Metros of India. It has reached deeper in the villages. And none of the villages yet have all these private cricket channels. Its only DD which can reach such places. So from the viewers point of view thats a good news. Even in USA(The land of captialist) i dont see ESPN broadcasting the baseball and NFL live its the free to air channels who do it.

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:15  

  • Prem : This is in response to the link u sent on the new fast bolwer Pakistan have unearthed

    I think for all these fast bowler resources that Pakistan seem to have .

    Maybe the Indians should do like a sponsored fast bowling talent search in Pakistan , unearth some meancing quicks , irrespective of their actions and get them to India on paid contracts { like professionals } as net bowlers for our batsmen. The bowlers wont mind for the money involved ... I guess this will serve us well

    Kind of 'Fast Bowling Out-sourcing'

    By Blogger Adi, at 15:16  

  • prem,
    To anyone who has access to espn-star sports, it would look stupid on the part of the govt. I think the idea of the govt. was to provide video feed to the rural people and the lower middle class people who donot have access to cable network. Being born in Chennai, where the set top box is the only option to watch espn, I definitely back the idea of telecast on DD. Though personally i would prefer the ESPN, I would prefer depriving the ppl of quality coverage rather than coverage!! correct me if I'm wrong

    By Blogger Ragav, at 15:21  

  • Thanks PK for posting it. And Thanks Dr Singh for taking that decision. For this alone i will vote for you. 75% extra sports channel gonna get should compensate their losses. Remember DD's reach is much more. So the advertising rates will be much higher.

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:33  

  • Ragav you are hundred percent correct. Just think about people who live in smaller towns with no cable tv. They can never watch these games. I remember in middle 90's when i was in a university town with no cable. I missed atleast 60% of India's game during that time. And yes i will prefer pathetic Arun Lal over Harsha anyday if i am getting to watch the live feed.

    By Blogger Vick, at 15:35  

  • Guys,
    Instead of cribbing that DD gets the telecast, why not pressurise DD to improve the quality of production and telecast? We bash the BCCI, but DD needs a good kick up the ASS too.. Why lament that DD production is not good, give it to the private channels, but get DD to improve it. Think how many rural citizens will benefit from teh improved telecast on DD?

    By Blogger Dementor, at 15:48  

  • I am still confused by the ICC involvement: this from IE report -


    RELATED STORIES
    • Sri Lankan squad arrives in India
    • BCCI informs court about its decision on telecast rights
    • I'm keen to play with Sachin: Dravid


    In a one-line press statement, the ICC confirmed it had "written a letter to the Indian Prime Minister ahead of today's Cabinet meeting concerning moves to give Indian terrestrial television preferential treatment in securing the broadcast rights to telecast international cricket in India".


    So what has ICC said to GoI?...against DD or pro DD? looks against DD? And then GoI directs BCCI in a pro DD order!

    By Blogger worma, at 16:05  

  • ..oops ignore the "related stories" bit....

    By Blogger worma, at 16:06  

  • dementor,
    I love your optimism, but honestly, what are the chances that DD will improve its telecast? If I was a betting man, amongst slim and none, I'd go with none.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 16:15  

  • vick,
    In the US, the same debate is ongoing. More and more major sprting events are switching from the free channels to ESPN. The NBA is almost exclusively televised on ESPN, TNT, and NBATV now. Plans are also in the works, if its not already a done deal, to move Monday Night Football (the biggest of them all) to ESPN.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 16:20  

  • Worma,
    I dont know what ICC is gonna get if they oppose this move. While i can see trhe reason behind them asking for a pro DD line as that would mean more people get to watch the cricket live. No one gives credit to DD for making the game popular in every nook and corner of the country. ESPN with all its cool coverage and commentry team can never compete with DD.

    By Blogger Vick, at 16:32  

  • Sahir,
    In US its happening now. Where cable market is much more stable and has far greater reach than in India. In India still a large part of country dont have access to cable. And then on top of that we have too many sports channel which mean cable operator needs to have all of them in order to provide all the coverage. Which in turn means subscribers gotta pay more money.

    By Blogger Vick, at 16:36  

  • Vick,
    Fair point

    By Blogger Sahir, at 16:52  

  • it seems england r ringing in the right changes... i can never imagine having 2 warm-up matches before the 1st test... england will be playing a couple in rawalpindi and lahore... good for them... mann this test series is going to be a either a bomb or end up in a flicker considering PAK's dismal record at home... what say, 3 big series coming up and i cannot wait for them to get started...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 16:53  

  • Prem,
    i used to listen to Panix Station when it was avaiable free, and have become a big fan of your atricles. Lately i follow this blog and i think its great for cricket lovers.

    However, i want to ask how cricket australia or ECB work. They defenitely seem to be more prfessional and seem to be run like a Company owned by PUBLIC.

    What does it take for our BBCI to be made into a more transparent and professional unit?

    Wouldnt it make sense if BBCI is turned into an ORGANISATION that is owned by public (the indian cricket viewer) , much like INFOSYS and WIPRO, which should be headed by a qualified person (say an IIM graduate with years of experience).

    That would not only allow for a better results and smooth functioning, it would make the cricket followers (share holders) richer, as there is no way cricket following will wane if the indian team performs well. Which is bound to happen if the administration is of the first class.

    If it means we have to write a petition to the PM or the President, why cant we start it right here? or do we need a revolution of sorts like the Russian or the French Revolution? or do we just have to give up hope?

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 16:55  

  • @vick, @worma,
    You can view my this part of comment with anti Pak sentiment.
    My observations have been: From the time of Mani taking over, ICC is getting more involved in any issue that benifits India or discomfort's pakistan to say it in more polite way.
    I dont know how easier is it to get telecasts in Pak of a match, Prasar bharti has won rights .

    On a more serious note though ,IMO this is a welcome development for cricket lovers of the country(lets keep the quality on side note for now ).

    The other part of ICC that i failed to understand:
    Why is it mandatory to have match televised ?
    If they are looking for their feed for the "Teesri AANKH" (Third Umpire) Shouldn't ICC have its own Tech team for it.
    Why the heck they depend on the board for providing them the REPLAY ?
    Incase ICC wants to continue this, they should impose some stringent measures so that formalities providing REPLAY's(no matter how)have to be available say a month before the series progresses.
    This will help BCCI to expedite telecasting right's instead of doing this at the 11th hour.
    As I am leaving for the day I won't read most of the bashing for the first part of the post :)

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 17:08  

  • MNF is moving to NBC from 2006.
    NBC won the rights in early 2005.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 17:44  

  • http://www.ihateganguly.com/

    someone even started this ..

    By Blogger PODI, at 18:00  

  • I have to accept that all of you guys are thinking pretty short term in overall scheme of things..

    I agree that DD's reach is beyond any other private channels.. But in order to make sure, that others increase their reach while keeping the standard, we need to give a chance to private channels to compete with monopolists in GOI and DD..

    People of India and specially the rural people need to get information from various source in order to analyze it for their good.. This outreach to information, not only will help them educate, but will also help them select better representatives..

    As of now monopolists are trying to keep things in their control in rural India, so that all our rural populations listens to them, them and only them.. their propaganda..

    I guess the number of viewers if what all broadcasting compaies are after.. They will expand to take cricket to rural populace..

    Lets not deny the rural populace its right to quality.. and ofcourse quantity.. instead of then being hooked to DD for "all their shit.."

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 18:28  

  • guys,
    I don't think any of us would prefer DD over any private channel. The private channels are available to rural ppl, but they just can't afford it. i dont think we can change our economic situation overnight! So the best prctical solution wud be to let Dd telecast.
    But, god I hate the DD commentrators. Maninder singh commenting on sachin's technique(maninder, are u serious? becos i still remember the tied test where u couldn't make 1 run and ur batting prowess in general), arun lal who sucks all the time and thinks he's doing a great job, etc.. DD could do somthing atleast in this front.

    By Blogger Ragav, at 19:05  

  • Podi..thanks for link. Good one..

    What's Ganguly's favorite bird?

    Answer - Duck *L*

    By Blogger Rajg, at 20:20  

  • ragav,
    "Maninder cannot comment on SRT's technique bcos he couldnt score a run in tied test" is a rubbish comment. A person can know a technique but not necessarily he has to be able to do on field. Does Bhogle have any international cricket experience but he can speak as well as anyone. right?

    By Blogger J, at 00:08  

  • thnaks chappel - what you are saying doesnt makes sense at all. DD has maximum reach. Poor people cannot pay for ESPN/Star. The feed from DD is same quality as ESPN/Star. Only commentry is different. Poor peplpe do not understand what Bhogle speaks. They are not that good in English. They have every right to watch cricket. It SHOULD mbe made mandatory that DD broadcasts every match India plays and ESPN/Star/SOny/Zee should also broadcast in parallel. ABC, Fox also provide the same news but people still watch CNN right?

    By Blogger J, at 00:11  

  • Balaji (and Ganguly) on the comeback trail? Balaji already has 3 wickets (and Ganguly has breezed to 37) at 10AM IST

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:38  

  • Ganguly on 63 at 10:30AM IST..of 81 balls. Century?

    By Blogger losing now, at 01:04  

  • what else do u expect against ghatiya bowlers..

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 01:09  

  • Ruchi...would like to know how many runs have u scored against ghatiya galli cricket bowlers??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 01:29  

  • LOL Ravi. The same set of people were pretty convinced before the game that the NZ fast bowlers will take care of Ganguly.

    By Blogger Jai, at 01:35  

  • 11:20 IST: Ganguly on 80 of 100 balls. Are VRV and Gagandeep "ghatiya"

    By Blogger losing now, at 01:53  

  • ravi1010 - that is a dumb remark. how does it matter how many runs ruchi has scored against ghatiya bowlers ??? one does not have to player inorder to be a shrewd observer or fan. I totally agree with her - the north zone bowling attack is comparable to namibia or holland and that is the type of attack ganguly loves. besides, maybe dinesh mongia is going ganguly a favor ... so he can get a shot once again if dada does return as captain

    By Blogger MM, at 01:54  

  • mm..Yeah sure...if Ruchi can make a dumb remark..it is acceptable bcos it is against SG. People seem to have this uncanny knack of identifying ghatiya bowlers...VRV was talked about as the fastest in the Challengers and the Rajkot pitch is supposedly green and fast. And SG makes an effort to get into stride and you want to bring him down..Please remove the blinkers and speak without bias...And thanks for yr inside on Mongia's strategy...u will make a good ToI correspondent...
    And last but not the least...would appreciate if you stop being the self appointed proxy...have a great day and squirm in yr seat at the discomfort of SG performing

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:00  

  • mm, You forgot the Dalmiya angle. May be Dalmiya called up the NZ coach and instructed how to bowl to Ganguly.

    On a serious note, you criticise a player when he is out of form and playing poorly. Fair call. But you are doing the same when a player who is supposedly playing the most important match of his life and playing good under pressure. Isn't it a shame? May be ihateganguly.com is a better forum for you.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:08  

  • ok ruchi
    i understand your dislike for SG but i think you need to chill out a second. on one hand you say he is playing against ghatiya bowlers. shit id VRV singh, RP singh are ghatiya then the future of indian cricket is bleak. lets give him his due when he has earned it.
    hopefully SG will prove me right. i have always said he doesnt deserve the captaincy(now a dead issue) and that he is still of value as a batsman.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:16  

  • I thought Ganguly did not play Challenger because of bowlers like VRV. Now they are being called Ghatiyas.

    It must be Dalmiya's phone call to VRV, or DM trying to get into SG's good books, or someone like Ruchir Shah actually bowling to SG in Bhandari's disguise

    By Blogger bouncer, at 02:18  

  • A century! Well done, Sourav!

    Great poise under presure

    By Blogger bouncer, at 02:21  

  • guys dont forget,
    VRV has been consistently testing SG by bowling short and at the rib cage. SG serems to have finally figured out how to duck and weave. wicket is obviously quick and green. for christs sake lets supporet the man when he is trying his best to make a come back. i for one was a huge critic of his existance in the team merely as a capt. now that he is trying i fully support him. hope he does well again. i really miss watching a south paw attacking spinners the way SH used to.
    oh and as far as conspirascy theories go, mongia is a fool if he thinks SG can/will get him back into the team!! maybe SG bribed the bowlers to not get him out.
    please lets be realists and say wel played when it has been just that: well played.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:22  

  • Ganguly got a very well deserved hundred. 103 126 17 1 81.75. He was still having some pain while batting in the nets and his teammates were doubtful. But he overcame every hurdle today. Way to go Dada. You showed your true character today. My hats off to you. But the job is only half done. Just focus on your batting and you will be back again. Cheers.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:24  

  • Hmmm.."Ghatiya" bowlers ensure that SG gets his century..and pretty fast at that... 17 boundaries and a six...

    Waiting for the 'strategies' and the 'mysterious' phone call info from all SG baiters...

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:24  

  • 17 fours and 1 six albeit against ghatiya bowlers such as the express VRV, Rp, amit bhandari,gagandeep singh. all 4 bowlers are in the top 10 wicket takers from last years domestic cricket. i guess we will now say that is a poor parameter as it doesnt support the Ghatiya bowler angle.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:24  

  • chalo,
    i think Sg has to hit a century in 30 balls, take all 10 wickets field like jonty rhodes. then maybe we will forgive his past and let him into the team. maybe he can carry water bottles. ganguly criticism is fun but whern ther eis a reason. if it is done purely for the sake of it it gets a tad boring.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:27  

  • K-slice...How many, and this is a serious question...do you think have the breadth if vision or the large heartedness to acknowledge true performance...For every single applause...one can hear atleast 20 booing...So much for peoples inability to accept the truth...for them or against them.
    Goes for both SG supporters and his detractors

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:28  

  • guys is the match being shown live anywhere?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:28  

  • Ravi,

    LOL, now wait to see how VRV's stock with these SG bashers takes a nosedive.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 02:28  

  • K-slice..Nope...no luck ...not even Radio commentary,from what I know

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:31  

  • Feeling happy for those few Ganguly supporters who went to the field to cheer for him. If you don't know what I am talking about, read the cricinfo piece by Rahul Bhattacharya.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:31  

  • k-slice, I think RP is not playing for NZ since he is in the Indian camp. See, that explains it all. If only RP were here!

    By Blogger bouncer, at 02:31  

  • ravi,
    i am not trying to portray a hloier than thou attitude here. Sg, right before he was booted, had become a pompus a#$ h*&^. i hated him for not giving up the captaincy and purely concentrating on his batting. now i hope he does just that.
    on a removed note though i remember the last time he made a domestic comeback effort he had cracked a 170 for bengal i think. then went on to have the worst 2 seasons of his life. lets hope that doesnt happen again.
    i am not saying SG is back and now the runs will flwo again. all i am saying is that he is back to making serious efforts to regain his place. when a player who has proved himself in the past gets down to honest work, imho it shouldnt be long for him to do well again.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:32  

  • Check out the figures of the spinners, both ex-India players. :)

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:32  

  • Jai...good article..but...wait...Is not Rahul from Bengal...going by his surname...No way is it an acceptable piece of writing.He must be in JD's paybooks :D

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:34  

  • k-slice, there's a difference between that 170 and this innings. That was against a Bangladesh team and I don't think the wicket was seamer friendly. This knock against a much better attach on a much livelier pitch SHOULD give him a lot of confidence. From Rahul's match report yesterday, Ganguly had a tough time during his brief stay at the wicket. The pitch probably hasn't changed overnight, but Ganguly and Shukla probably applied themselves better today.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:35  

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    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:36  

  • yup
    its all that fool RP singhs fault. wait maybe uncle jaggu asked him not to play for NZ, drugged the current lot of bowlers with Daizepam, exorcized the demons the wicket had on day one, had the umpires in a snipers cross view(shoot if they try giving SG out), warned mongia not to try and intimidate SG, made sure the bails were glued nto the stumps, applied butter to the slip fielders fingers, used a tennis ball that looks like a leather ball. ok anymore conspiracy theories i forgot?
    damn with all this done for him SG would really such not to get a century!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:36  

  • Ravi, Rahul's surname doesn't matter really. Sanjay Jha is not a Bengali I believe. :)

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:37  

  • 157 runs in a session at more than 5 RPO I believe. Cricinfo says 60 overs remaining today. So probably NZ bowled 30.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:39  

  • jai
    sanjay jha is an A grade idiot though. he is the other extreme of the ruchi kind. lets keep SG whatever be his performance or lack there of seems to be jha's motto. and if anyone dares question SG then he should be shot or ostracized according to SJ

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:39  

  • Ravi, if Rahul is from Bengal, how does it make any difference? A good article is a good article; and a good innings is a good innings. You are talking like Navjot Sidhu who once said he would like to see SRT open because he enjoys SRT centuries (this was during the brief period when SG and VS opened with reasonable success); I am sad that the man who fought parochialism (Sourav Ganguly) gets the most parochial remarks. Ravi Shastri once called him a "rosogulla" cricketer.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 02:41  

  • Ganguly scores a century (103*, 127 balls, 17x4, 1x6) - some of you might be unhappy. He may not any good for international cricket as many of you feel but there's no replacement yet. M S Dhoni has to still learn how to middle a ball. Sheer power makes no Jayasuriya or Gilchrist; you can have the likes of Afridi only. Actually I think the standard of Indian cricket is going down to dumps; I saw Srisanth bowling at the nets yesterday and thought AA is better; but I'll be happy if I am wrong.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 02:42  

  • K-slice...Jha is not a pro SG guy..rather he comes out as a pure anti-GC person.Or rather the self proclaimed Swadeshi types for whom anything foreign is a strict no-no

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:43  

  • Santanu...Did u miss my sarcasm..

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:44  

  • At lunch east zone are 234/5
    SG 109(127) 18*4, 1*6 SR 85.83
    DDG 25(35) 4*4
    Some bowling figures
    gagandeep 2/32(19)
    bhandari 2/48(14)
    vrv 0/67(15)
    amit mishra 1/43(8)
    sarandeep 0/37(4)
    seems India's great pace hope still can't bowl on an absolute green top (as evidenced from yesterday's 14 wickets)
    The next highest score after SG on either side is VRV(how ironical) with a slogged 46 from 35 balls.
    I guess the fitness issue has been resolved for once. The form issue is still there..coz 1 century will not prove anything to the chappels. But SG proves once again...give him a scrap and he will come out of it head held high.
    Was delighted with sarandeep's figure though...SG had never liked him preferring bhajji always but had to play sarandeep as the selectors had selected him (the big fight in the aus series was between HS & SS). Seems dada has still not forgotten SS! *L*

    By Blogger DDirector, at 02:45  

  • I agree with Ravi there. Most of Jha's comments are against Chappell. Before the Ganguly-Chappell spat, I never saw Jha supporting Ganguly.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:46  

  • ravi,
    point accepted. but i guess in being anti GC he has alligned himslef with the supposed pro SG side. if he had it his way we would all wear khadi(while he wore italian wool), eat unhusked rice and take a long walk evertine we needed to take a dump.
    at one point he used to be pretty neutra but i think woh satiya gaya hain.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:46  

  • Santanu, Chill man. Read Ravi's previous comments on the same thread before commenting if you are new here.

    By Blogger Jai, at 02:46  

  • jai,
    follow his past articles in the link on the top calle jhakas. always been a supports of SG. guy takes the line of supporting Sg thru thick and thin so seriously he should have married SG!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:47  

  • on a removed note
    west zone in trouble
    dhiraj jadhav does himself no good in this innings.
    72/4

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:48  

  • Jha maybe one of those anti establishment guys...the "I root for the underdog" types

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:48  

  • And Balaji does himself some good. 3 wickets for 20 runs.And all 3 batsmen scored only 1 run each.Would be a handful...no legful;) for David Sheppard

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:51  

  • how many centuries will prove SG is still a force to reckon with. If Mr. ChaPPEL and co can say so, SG will try to do that.

    After ZIM tour where Dravid is a flop , he had a disastrous tour to AUS as paRT OF wxi. so he also had two bad series as like Ganguly before the start of Zim series. The same yard stick can apply is ' nt it.

    I dont really understand SG baiters.

    May be now they will come with another excuse that all North bowlers are weak, waste, did not bowl well, or even SG has made a pact with them to drop catches, give loose balls, what not, the media nd SG baiters who are capable of doing anything to malign him

    By Blogger vijaykumar, at 02:51  

  • Arre, stop fighting over SG guys. It's simple: If he scores runs, and he is fit and not a liability on the field, he deserves to be in. Don't think he should ever be captain again though because he doesn't seem to have the maturity to not be vindictive.

    On another subject, here's something that feeds all those anti-Asian conspiracy theories:

    The Brisbane based Courier-Mail reported that India's Virender Sehwag and Pakistan's Inzamam-ul-Haq mocked at Smith during the Test at the Sydney Cricket Ground.

    'During the match, when Smith tried to urge his players with a routine "come on boys", Inzamam and Virender Sehwag, another limp performer off the field who reportedly gave nothing to the side, started laughing,' the newspaper reported.

    Dunno who died and made Graem Smith Captain of the World XI side, given the fact that his record against the aussies sucks. Sehwag as a disruptive force: Sure, but then you have to have some respect for the man who's been chosen to lead you. And to say "he gave nothing to the side"... er... who's the only World XI btasman to score a fifty in the game?!! What are Smith's credentials anyway?

    By Blogger indian_idle, at 02:53  

  • Indian_idle...my thoughts are on the same lines..Not sure if Smith has the respect of his own team...He is not even a patch on the likes of Pollock, Gibbs, Ntini et al..

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 02:56  

  • dude who gives a rats ass about the super dud series?
    i guess Sg might be back after the first 2 one dayers. would be interesting to see how this cenjtury translates when he is facinf vaas, murli etc. also would be interesting to see where RD makes him bat. wouldnt be surprised to see rd making Sg keep!!(joking,)

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:01  

  • ravi..dude are you up early to follow the SG match!..or not in US?

    Anyways...good show...so now he's surely getting a chance back in the team...for the last 4 matches against SL atleast...lets see if he shows equal determination to grab this chance.

    For those who are criticising bowlers....Mongia etc for letting SG get away...I hope you've read the cricinfo match report? It wasn't easy going to SG yesterday...3 slips and gully when he came in...VRV brought in specially for him....hit flush on the helmet? 80-90% deliveries short and on ribs?...I dont think Mongia was trying to help him?

    Ohh wait....that report was by Rahul Bhattacharya...hmmm....doesnt count ;-))

    By Blogger worma, at 03:04  

  • Dada can make a big big statement here. bigger than all espn star interviews. allready he has done very well 100 in quick time against a good good bowling attack and 2 wickets. I wish he goes on to make a triple or at least a double. Dada in full flow is a sight to behold, great entertainment. he sud do this, not try politics, when he is so good at cricket why use other means. i have always believed he is good enof for another 2-3 years atleast and when fully fit and in form he will easily walk into the side, atleast the 12.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 03:05  

  • worma
    i have listed all the conspiracy theories that allowed SG to get this hundred earlier. feel free to add on incase i have missed any.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:06  

  • Well dude, the comment i made didn't indicate my interest in the super series -- we've been talking about biased media reporting as regards SG and his chamchas in the Telegraph particularly with much interest here, it seems noteworthy that bad reporting isn't an Indian prerogative!

    By Blogger indian_idle, at 03:10  

  • Worma...I live in India...in the Silicon Valley...the city of RD and Kumble and yes...the adopted city of GC too !!...and I will wake up anytime of the day to watch Indians play..even an out of form SG

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:10  

  • Avinash, what politics are you talking about? Has he joined CPM? Can you post the link?

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:11  

  • k-slice yeah I browsed through them :-)

    ravi1010: great gowing mate! Yep...I think many of us here would wake up to watch an India C vs Nambibia A match ;-)...thats why wer'e here discussing..right?

    By Blogger worma, at 03:13  

  • ravi1010 :
    it's a pity when people like u still make comments with lots of sarcasm, SG's effort to be seen in the light of match, pitch. Next highest is 46 from VRV batting at tail-end and a cameo when top-order came a cropper. Can u say same for VVSL when he got 7 and bowled yesterday by munaf that VVSL is no hoper for test cricket. pls appreciate when someone does honest hardwork, SG made 3 hundreds playing for Bengal or East Zone in his last 3 consecutive appearances. A fan yesterday at Rajkot held "`I worship you Maharaj. You are the person for whom I can die easily if needed." and motivated SG. May be ihateganguly.com would have planted chart sponsored by Jaggu. I appreciate SG's fitting reply to "Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high". He has all reasons to keep his head high and watch 2 ODI's to earn a recall in his own right with rejuvenated confidence P.S. SG do another Taunton to Vass & co. Can't wait to see that again. (Innings of 100+ with SR of 80+ when all rest biting to dust cannot be fixing)

    By Blogger papugopu, at 03:14  

  • ravi1010....btw....can you go to GC...ask him to speak about this innings?....some people only believe his word...you know ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:14  

  • K-slice...One more conspiracy theory ...(wow !! we should all get doctrates for this)..is that GC requested NZ bowlers to initially intimidate him and if unsuccessful...then ensure that he gets his century.It works both ways. If SG had failed...we know the result. NOw that he has succeeded,they will get him into the team...make him the 13th man...maybe give him one match and if he fails..go to town saying...."see..we told u so..he is good only for Regional and local cricket" and send him packing for good

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:17  

  • worma
    gc was the first to say that SG can make a come back as long as he is fit and in form. lets not drag him into this!
    also i was shortlisting a team for india C.
    captain: Kanitkar or utthapa.
    batssman:
    asnodkar,indulkar,cant think of too many more who wont make it to the A and B teams!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:19  

  • But Ravi, you are forgetting that Ganguly got this century only because Chappell pushed him hard and hurt his ego. So the credit should go to Chappell actually. :)

    PS: I had to add the smiley for the likes of papu and shantanu.

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:20  

  • k-slice...my comment was tongue-in-cheek mate :-)

    But if you notice...even in jest...my original comment was not *on* GC....but on *some* section of people who find a conspiracy theory in *everything*....and are ready to malign *anyone* as part of that theory....so in their opinion *anyone* can be lying/fixed/bought (e.g in SG injury...Gloster is lying, Joshi is lying etc)...so I sort of amused myself thinking that maybe we need GC as media manager of BCCI as well ;-)


    And btw...even I think GC wont mind an in-form SG back in the team...esp as a player (maybe his captaincy style is not compatible with GC)...because I dont think GC is here in India to establish his kingdom on Indian cricketdom....hes here to be a successful coach(whatever the means)...and if that means playing an in-form SG..am sure he would do it

    By Blogger worma, at 03:25  

  • k-slice...how about ...Vinayak Mane....Laxmi Ratan Shukla...Pankaj Dharmani etc :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:26  

  • worma
    got it.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:27  

  • worma
    too strong for namibia.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:28  

  • ganguly's strike rate improving asx we speak. now upto 85 odd. maybe proving a point given that we are about to play 12 one day games.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:29  

  • Sharandeep's Econ rate is increasing too. :)

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:32  

  • k-slice...about this SG innings...I would just read *too much* into actual score he achieves..or the final strike rate....except this much....that he is determined...and ready to fight it out....thus earned that chance to play...on form and fitness

    Yes if he scores a triple ton or something...then maybe we should read more into it ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:33  

  • in private i have been privy to Sg calling Sarandeep singh a good bowler.. if one needs batting practice. had a lot pf people on the floor clutching their bellies!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:34  

  • oops....first line was "wouldn't" instead of would!

    By Blogger worma, at 03:34  

  • worma
    exactly what i said earlier. good to see him actually working hard insterad of assuming he will get runs

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:35  

  • Jai
    LOL on your smiley, on the hindsight. what would have happened if SG got out at say 30s like Badanis, Srirams. you will have 1010s of ravi1010 (RD, Kumble and now adopted GC land of B'lore) gunning for SG's blood and never make him comeback thru their extradose'd sarcasm. Good to see RD as fulltime captain under pressure for SL & SA series, let GC motivate him as well thru the same smiley to perform lest face takeover from SG. IMHO i prefer SG to be ODI skipper and RD to be test captain till WC07 & RD beyond as test captain till he hangs the boot only if new cast selection allow two captain theory

    By Blogger papugopu, at 03:35  

  • gone sg

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:35  

  • yeah..gone to leggie...caught behind....but good..atleast it shows good on this promising leggie also

    By Blogger worma, at 03:37  

  • Dada gone. Well played. Wished he had stayed a bit longer. It's time to go to bed now. :)

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:37  

  • Should read 'wish'.....damn !!! Bye folks.

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:39  

  • papugopu...what's wrong with u mate...U seem to have read the wrong post and attributing it to me. I live in Blore which will not stop me from going miles to see SG bat..Where is the sarcasm?? And I am not scared to state as a matter of fact that I hated SG when he first started for India and now I can't think of an Indian team without him.More as a batsman and much lesser as a Captain.
    Oh!! Incidentally I could not go to Rajkot bcos I have some Diwali shopping to do and would not want to upset my wife and family on that count;)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:50  

  • Papugopu...Do a ctrl F, put a search for ravi1010 and read thru' my comments. Have a great day.Cheers

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:52  

  • ravi1010 and all you other guys - i am really happy for ganguly and would love to see him come back and maul top class attacks as he has done in the past. This innings is significant but by itself does not warrant a recall by any means. A couple of more knocks like this and he is golden or maybe Wasim Jaffer will edge him out for a spot in the team

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