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Thursday, October 27, 2005

Dew diligence

While I get myself breakfasts and things, a couple of links to be going on with: One, a preview by Anand Vasu of the second game versus Lanka at Mohali; the other a take by Rahul Dravid on the nature of experimentation, and Sehwag's batting form among other issues. From the preview, this:
With temperatures dropping markedly after sunset, dew will play a big factor. The average daily high has been approaching 30 degrees, while the low has gone down to 14 degrees. This means there is sure to be a generous coating of dew by the time the second innings begins. This will make it extremely difficult for the spinners to grip the ball, and could also result in frequent ball changes, which means the fast bowlers have to adjust to spheres of varying hardness and age. Add to this the fact that the lights in Mohali are different from the ones conventionally used in cricket stadia and you have a sizeable challenge on your hands fielding second. The pylons that house the lights are much shorter than the regular ones since Mohali is close to an airforce base, and strict regulations govern the height of constructions. This makes it difficult to pick up the ball in the case of a high catch as it heads over the line of the lights before it descends.

The lights in Mohali have always been an issue, no surprises there. The dew is the other factor being spoken of; they say it will be 'heavy' -- question being, how heavy? If we are looking at the regular Indian evenings-type dew, much of this will be academic. But if it is really heavy, the one other factor not spoken of here is what it could do to the pitch: on a hardtop, which is what curator Daljit Singh seems to be speaking about, it could provide just that extra juice, slickness, making the ball skid through; am wondering if any of you who watched the Challengers spotted anything of the kind?


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    By Blogger Askinstoo, at 10:43  

  • Prem..from what I saw in challenger...the dew was really heavy in the evening(and its further into winter season since then). They used the soppers in atleast one match...while the game was going on.

    To the pitch...well it simply made the ball come nicely on to the bat....strokeplay was easy. Didn't really compare the bounce between first and second half...but the bounce was anyway decent, and even throughout.

    One interesting aspect...in the final between Seniors and B...Mongia brought spin very early (12 over or so) with Chawla...who is pretty good. And he got appreciable turn...foxed Sachin with leg-spinners followed by a good googly(bowled). So maybe, the side forced to bowl second(I feel winning the toss would mean bowling first, atleast Indians would do so) can look to use the spinners early on..while they can still grip the ball

    By Blogger worma, at 10:46  

  • Any news about Dileep trophy game which was supposed to started today? It was listed on cricinfo till last night but i see nothing on it now.

    By Blogger Vick, at 10:50  

  • If Lanka bowls second they should open with Murali and Vass. Using spinners after 20 overs will be useless. And i think there was some assitence for faster bowlers in second innings. In Most games few early wickets fell during first 10 overs in second innings.

    By Blogger Vick, at 10:52  

  • just watched star news.
    sandip patil is advocating, well suggesting, that GG be brought in place of VS. although dravid just said that VS is looking good in the nets and is one match away from a big one. so dont know where that leaves us.

    daljit singh said that the pitch will play more or less the same over the 100 overs.
    they will take extra measures as allowed by ICC and the two team managements to reduce the effect of the dew. didnt say what they were going to be. possibly sopping as worma said they did during the challengers or covering as much as possible during the break, i dont know. does anybody know what else you could do?

    By Blogger inoc, at 10:55  

  • Prem,
    The pitch definitely quickened up in the evening during the Challenger Trophy. There was more movement available with the new ball, but once the ball got older things got really easy-- the ball came on very nicely to the bat and stopped spinning; just skidded on straight. The key to the chase is to keep wickets in hand early and pick the run-rate up later when the going gets much easier for batsmen. Dinesh Mongia had the right idea later in the tournament when bringing his spinners on after the 6th over, I believe, before the ball got wet. A good example of the nature of the wicket under lights was the second match during the tournament between India B and India Seniors. The Seniors were chasing a modest target of 241. Sree Santh steamed in and got some disconcerting lift and movement from the wicket, ripping apart the Seniors' top order (Tendulkar and Kaif). In fact, he even had Yuvraj caught behind, but to his dismay, the umpire did not agree. The Seniors were reduced to 33-3 before Yuvraj and Venugopal Rao took them home in a canter, with 4.1 overs to spare. Even Yuvraj, a notoriously poor player of spin during the middle overs, was able to comfortably milk the spinners as the ball came on the the bat nicely just skidding off the surface. I reckon chasing is the way to go tommorrow. It would be a good idea to have an opening batsman, Gautam Gambhir, as the SuperSub. He would probably be more comfortable than others playing the role of seeing off the new ball.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:13  

  • worma: Interesting, because in one of the sites there was a question about Karthik's utility value. Actually, I'd tend to agree with your take -- if the conditions are really that dewy, be a great idea to defer powerplays two and three, bring on spin by the 8th or, at the least 10th, over, then bring the seamers back on aiming for a bit of reverse later on.
    Inoc: Doubt very very much whether they will jettison VS that early.
    On another front, I wonder if IP will come out again at three? Interesting debate that -- I mean, the positives are obvious: the lad will be buzzing with confidence and it pays to back buzz; more to the point, if it was SRT who suggested the move (and he was noticeably shepherding IP through especially in the opening stages of his innings), it will add to IP's confidence if he is walking out to join SRT. Negatives: failure, which could mean a second quick wicket gone and the consequent risk of loss of momentum; also, a denting of the player's confidence. Be interesting to see which way the team goes today.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 11:15  

  • Regardless of the dew factor, I suspect Marvan Atapattu, unlike Rahul Dravid, will opt to bat first. In order to back this selection, I expect the Sri Lankans to replace Upul Chandana in the starting lineup with Dilhara Lokuhettige. Furthermore, Nuwan Zoysa or Dilhara Fernando will likely be the SuperSub, with the other in the starting lineup.
    SJ, MA, KS, MJ, RA, TD, CV, DL, FM, NZ/DF, MM; SuperSub: NZ/DF

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:20  

  • Prem,
    Just a hunch:
    I would expect Irfan to come at 3 only if we are setting the target. If chasing under lights, I doubt India will send Irfan in at 3 against a swinging ball (should a wicket fall early) and risk giving the Sri Lankans serious momentum with the distinct possibility, as you mentioned, of a second quick wicket.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:25  

  • i do believe it would be a good toss to lose. the opinion of u all ?

    By Blogger GK, at 11:29  

  • gk,
    I'd still rather win the toss; don;t believe there is any such thing as a good toss to lose :)
    I can live with my wrong decision, but would hate to not have the opportunity to make the decision-- I suspect Rahul Dravid might fell the same.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:33  

  • fell should be feel above

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:34  

  • Drifting off topic a little,
    Anybody notice Zimbabwe get rolled over yesterday in the Duleep Trophy? Yesterday, I called an innings defeat in that match (I know, hardly stepping out on the ledge). Joginder Sharma took 6-21 runs and Amit Mishra took 4-16. Rather outstanding figures, but should muich be read into them? The shocking thing to me is theat VRV Singh did not get a bowl. When I saw this, I initially thought he must not have been selected. But no, he's in the team. The fabulous captaincy of Dinesh Mongia chose to bowl 12 overs of offspinner Sarandeep Singh in the first session of a first-class match before bringing on by far his quickest bowler! Sarandeep had figure of 0-36, but that's besides the point. Why did VRV not get a bowl? Rather shameful that the quickest bowler in the country and test prospect cannot get a bowl in the morning session of a Duleep Trophy game against a Zimbabwe Board President's XI.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:42  

  • Anand Vasu writes "Selectors Sweat over SG.."
    Don't get it...current team is doing ok, MKaif is in the waiting queue...what is the hurry to bring SG back..let him practice some more..get a taste out of the team.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 11:42  

  • did anyone notice the last paragraph from anand vasu's article? i think it sheds some light on the last para in SMG's article (about Rao's demotion) a couple of days back... sounds interesting huh...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 11:48  

  • "Kaif was at Mohali on the eve of the second one-dayer, and trained with the squad, running laps around the ground and having a knock in the nets. However, only two weeks of the three weeks' rest he was recommended by John Gloster, the physiotherapist, have been completed, and his fitness will again be reviewed only on November 3, which rules him out of the next three matches."
    Anand Vasu

    Good to hear Kaif will likely be back in action later in the series.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:56  

  • mayur,
    did notice the last part of the article; clever riposte by Vasu without stooping too low

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:58  

  • sahir: i personally dont think SG will have any problems in being a part of the 14 member squad... i mean he is going to replace GG in the squad... now the interesting part is that GG is now a part of the 13 selected for the game as SR and RPS have been left out... now there is a clear toss up between GG and MK for the 12th man spot... there can be 2 things, one the management wants to give GG a chance before he is dropped or secondly they want to give VR and GG a change to succeed to leave out SG from the playing XI... imo i dont think RD is strong enough to ask SG to stay out of the playing XI if he gets selected... all in all, an interesting battle on hands...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 12:03  

  • Mayur,
    I reckon the team management will select Gambhir over Kartik as the 12th man because of theor preference to chase and the conditions at Mohali.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 12:13  

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    By Blogger inoc, at 12:18  

  • I found Vasu’s article inconsistent .

    “Had Kaif been fit, and proved his form in a domestic game, he would have been a sure shot to replace Venugopala Rao, rendering it next to impossible for Ganguly to be guaranteed a place in the playing eleven even if picked in the squad.”

    And then goes on to say:

    “For now, though, it would in a way be unfair to drop Rao. He did not even bat in the last match India played, and has not yet enjoyed a consistent enough run in the team to be a clear-cut case for being dropped.”

    So, it would be unfair to drop VR for SG (assuming he is considered good enough) but must surely be dropped for kaif . what about the unfairness of not having been given a long enough stint.


    “So, if Ganguly has to play, India will have to drop either one bowler or an allrounder”

    Not correct unless GG plays the match and contributes reasonably he can easily be replaced by SG considering he was picked as cover for the opening slot.
    This is assuming that they want SG in the team. I have no issues with keeping him out particularly if India are performing well.

    By Blogger inoc, at 12:21  

  • sahir: i guess if the management can use the slow bowlers cleverly, then MK can be selected in case india bowls during the second inning... looking at the challenger series, i dont think the dew is that big a factor at all... i know that the team batting second won the games, but all the games were pretty close games and cud have gone either way... the seniors were on the verge of dismissing india A untill the last few wickets brought india A home... so in a nutshell, the team that plays well will win...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 12:24  

  • inoc: well, we all know that vasu just hates SG... everyone knows that... and u have cleverly highlighted that inconsistency... well, VR cannot be dropped for SG, but will be dropped for MK? it is a different thing that MK recently has played a lot better than SG, but as u have said the article is inconsistent... he shud have clearly stated that in case of MK being available for selection, MK will be fighting with SG to get in the squad for VR... that makes sense and it also makes sense that SG will be dropped for MK...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 12:27  

  • agree with your assessment mayur.
    but as i had pointed out in that post SG will come in (if the selectors think so)in place of GG not VR.

    By Blogger inoc, at 12:33  

  • Prem....I dont think IP will walk out at 1 down in the next game. Unless we are chasing a really big score(300+)...and its worth taking a gamble again (gamble being the negative you already mentioned...another early wkt meaning more pressure)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:01  

  • btw...how will Kaif prove the fitness before the 6th ODI, as BCCI's new rule requires?...I think North Zone is playing Duleep trophy from today(?)....do they have another match lined up soon?

    By Blogger worma, at 13:06  

  • Kaif playes for Central and i think they have one Dileep trophy game left.

    By Blogger Vick, at 13:09  

  • Sahir,
    According to rediff VRV pulled out because of some injury and Joginder replaced him in 11.

    By Blogger Vick, at 13:10  

  • One of the Rediff reports on Dravid mentions this - "his first victory as the full captain of the Indian team."

    Hopefully this will put to rest the controversy that Dravid was removed from captaincy after the SL series. That means in SL, he was only a stopgap captain.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 13:15  

  • dadagiri -

    Hopefully many many more right through the 2007WC
    And hopefully we will never have to go back to the dark days just before RD took over.

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:22  

  • worma: central will be playing west zone from 4-7 November... MK is having his fitness test on the 3rd so technically he can play the duleep trophy game... remember i said technically there... the reason i said that is because he might end up getting called into the ODI side rightaway... remember SG was asked to play the duleep trophy game because of injury and to prove form... SRT was asked to play the challenger because he was out for about 6 months... so there is a chance MK will get right into the squad... RD will have some tough choices to make...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 13:26  

  • I dont want players who always need a kick in the butt to perform.. like ZK, AN, SG etc.. afterall our coach have to focus on other important things like planning, fitness process and drills to improve the aspects of the game.. He cant just be busy kicking around..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:28  

  • Bala,
    Let's wait and watch. We have been very inconsistent. Let's see whether that changes or not. Yes, the dark days you are referring to hopefully is over, but I will definitely like to go back to those days when we beat the Aussies at home and almost beat them in their own backyard, reached the ICC Champions trophy final twice, beat England in England, the Natwest 02 final, beating Pak in Pak, reached the WC 03 final just to name a few of them.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 13:29  

  • yes thanks chappel, he may feel the same kick if the team doesn't perform to it's potential. He has a long way to go. Moody has given better results so far if you compare the two who started almost at the same time. Let's see what the future has in store for GC.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 13:32  

  • mayur...its a new BCCI rule to prove fitness (nothing to do with form at all...and btw SG was never 'officially' asked to prove form....you can search for reports if you like)...and they have recently said that even Nehra and Kumble would have to prove fitness in domestic games. Not sure if Kaif would be exempt?

    And its a very very new rule....probably put in place just after our Zim series.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:38  

  • The future is looking goog provided this does not happen..

    Dalmiya faction does win election again.. coz they will re-instate SG as captain as soon as they get a glimpse of a chance.. GC will be gone.. RD and SRT will be devastated.. so will be some other promising newcomers.. team will be fractured.. people like ZK/AN/AA will be permamnet feature.. and we will loose to all and sundry..

    So its the election that will determine the performance of the team..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:39  

  • worma: it is good that u mentioned and highlighted 'officially' when SG was asked to prove his fitness and unofficially asked to prove form... we all know SG being asked to play the game was to prove both form and fitness...

    my 'guess' will be that MK will be joining the team rightaway... one other opportunity besides the duleep trophy game wud be to play (for board XI) against the visiting SA team...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 13:42  

  • thanks chappel: u seem to mention AA a part of the SG coterie but any ideas why he is still in the team which has SG, AN and ZK missing?

    By Blogger Mayur, at 13:44  

  • mayur...ofcourse we *guess* that 'unofficially' SG's form was also under scrutiny(even in Challenger, had be played)...but thats not the point here...its about the rule.

    And when does SA come? Would that Board XI game be before the end of SL series? I thought Kaif had chance from match 5(6?) of SL series?....anyways....lets wait and see

    By Blogger worma, at 13:44  

  • Remember that the Dalmiya section is still in power. If they wanted to get rid of GC, they could have done that on 27th September. They didn't have to select RD as a captain for 12 matches. They could have appointed him on a stopgap basis once again. While attributing all the ills to Dalmiya and group, remember these issues as well.

    You are right about the election. If the Pawar group comes to power, Indian cricket will be back on it's glorious days again. After all, we all know what we had achieved during the Dungarpur era.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 13:47  

  • Surgeries takes time.. AA will show his true colors soon and will be removed.

    Dalmiya gang was in no position to take drastic measures in the face of election adversity as well tremendous amount of media pressure.. not to forget the team dynamics..

    Its only newspapers like Telegrah who made the BIG list of SG supporters in the team.. I am sure there is a list but but it contains primarily a few bad apples.. some of them already gone..

    and we dont know about what SRT and RD said to the selection commoittee.. By looking at the body language of the whole team(Note primarily RD and SRT), it looks that they really wanted this change..

    As far as Dungarpur is concerned.. I fail to understand why people take the other faction and Dungarpur as the same.. yeah Dungarpur is drinking on the Dalmiya opposition's money.. may be a he controls a vote or two.. but its Bindra primarily.. who I think is a very good administrator.. isn't he?

    Dungrapur might join Dalmiya gang after the elections because he might be surgically removed after the election too..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:57  

  • So you think once Dalmiya wins the election, the media pressure will be gone and he can bring back SG as the captain? And what drastic measures are you talking about? Can keeping SG the captain and appointing RD as as a stopgap captain be termed as 'drastic measures'? If you were referring to removal of GC, then the same Dalmiya group and SG were responsible for bringing him in the first place. So why would they want to get rid of him within two months just because of certain problems? Obviously they will buy time and see whether they can work together. Even when the spat broke out in Zim, Shastri, Bhogle, Gavaskar everyone was of the opinion that the two can bury their differences and work together. That's what happened during the review meeting.

    Yes, surgeries take time, but surgeries can go wrong too and I am sure you know that. Only time will tell. Listen, when a team wins, you will find hundres of postive things incl. body language. It was just one game. Let's see whether team can do it consistently and then we will talk about body language.

    From your comments on Dungarpur, it seems like you don't follow Indian cricket very closely. Once you start doing that, may be we can talk about it.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 14:15  

  • ppl on a tangent, why has AN disappeared from the face of the earth ? im not saying that it is a bad thing but i thought he might be doing something to get fit, start playing in the duleep trophy etc. he is not. it is great but curious

    By Blogger GK, at 14:21  

  • dadagiri,
    Instead of talking about me following the cricket closely on not.. answer this question .. if Powar wins the election, do you think Dungarpur will call the shots?

    If you answer is YES, then you do what you are suggesting me to do.. If the answer is NO, any apologies?

    Second, yes.. Surgeries take time.. Thats why JD gang couldn't remove GC because they selected him. so they needed to bu some time and relieve the media pressure.. this is waht they did.

    1) Media pressure : way of handling it to accept mistake mildly and lets put SG out of the stadium light.. so that people who tend to have short memories, lower their criticism.. Put GC in full focus.. anyway a strong team like SL is coming in.. lets wish he fails.. in the meantime, they might take some mesures like putting SG in the team in case things are going right for RD..

    2) They are gambling on RD failing..

    3)If they win election and RD fails.. SG back at helm full time..

    4)IEven if RD succeeds, SG will be back as Test captain anyway.. and they will start looking for another day when RD fails.. this is how this gang operates..

    otherwise why the hell, JD will be on the review committee..

    But all this go for toss, if they lose the election.. SG will be gone for good in no time.. which is what I WANT.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:24  

  • thanks_chappel:
    I believe you were not born in 1992!!!

    JD was in full control even during thoe days. In fact right from during Sreeraman's days in '85, JD camp has been controlling BCCI. Do not get the false impression that Madhavrao ran any part of BCCI show!! So why then SG was thrown out of team in 92 by Mahendra ( current BCCI pres)? That's because JD does not back at player level. It is difficult for them. SG came into the team and stayed int the team on performance alone. The extra anger that most of the folks have against SG comes out of their frustration of not seeing the back of JD. But that has been a mistake always. So SG will have to come back on his own. JD can not help much.

    By Blogger SS, at 21:57  

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