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Friday, October 28, 2005

India-SL 2nd ODI, thread 2

Here you go, guys -- should make refresh easier, for now

445 Comments:

  • Better! thanks Prem -

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:09  

  • No sweat, mate.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:10  

  • reloads in a flash - guys please don't create 500 messages in 10 minutes!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:10  

  • mucho gracias!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:13  

  • We wont say a thing Yacrik, the floor is all yours. Please entertain.

    By Blogger i, at 07:13  

  • Prem and Guys ..some confusion regaarding the super sub?
    Here Srilanka has replaced Ferando with Chandana..thus loosing a quicky in a situation where spinners would find it difficult to bowl ( Later). Tell me one thing was this option of replacing Jaywardhane or for that matter any batsman that got out already in the ininings was available with srilanka. Or the rule doesn't allow that kind of replacement.
    Like Bowlers bowled his quota can be replaced with another bowler to ball. Same goes for batsman as well???
    Please confirm..

    Thanks prem for this new thread..

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 07:14  

  • Umpires are pretty strict about substitutes. England exploited it enough for the ICC to lay down the law. RD had to call Sachin back.

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 07:14  

  • abhay: Youi can replace a batsman who is out -- the replacement can't bat, though.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:15  

  • Prem, my reasoning for SS as supersub chosen by Dravid would be on a bit of mathematical (rather statistical) thinking..

    Purely statistically, I would have expected Dravid to lose the toss (I know, the fate of toss in this match is independent of the previous, but thats what statistics is). He would have to bat first and in that case, SS as super-sub makes sense. A pacer in the second innings would help any struggling spinner.

    Rajesh in cricinfo is right saying that one should choose supersub assuming the toss would be in favor.. but blend it with stats (As he said that the world XI would win the onedayers in superseries), you get a different picture.

    By Blogger Raju, at 07:15  

  • SL tail is getting stuck here.... milking singles.... they were like 55/5 and now it is 102/5...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:15  

  • How about bowling Bhajji and MK together for a few overs?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:16  

  • ruchir - its 104 for 7

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:16  

  • ruchir: these guys have gotten set to Bajji, and the offie's getting a touch irritated. bowling flat, a more interesting ploy might be pathan, if he can bend it back inot the right handers

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:17  

  • Good Morning..
    wowow...India doing well..2 wins in a row..Is RD the greatest captain ever or what...let the debate begin...
    If selectors come up with "do not want to change winning combo"...SG should wait for his comeback.
    Or Rao is out...SG is in.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 07:18  

  • 104-8

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:18  

  • Hedging your bets with the Supersub, in case you lose the toss, is perfectly acceptable. There is no need to think of it as a 12 man game. It is a team game, not the number of men.

    Good luck there for JP Yadav. He deserved it.

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 07:18  

  • tiger:

    sorry, my typo mistake :-)


    Prem:

    Just as I was typing JPY takes a wkt. Problem solved now... ;-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:19  

  • Hmm,
    Thanks prem, that makes sense!

    But somehow this super-sub rule needs some modification this makes toss too much of critical!

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 07:19  

  • Hmm,
    Thanks prem, that makes sense!

    But somehow this super-sub rule needs some modification this makes toss too much of critical!

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 07:19  

  • maybe Raina will go out and SG come in.. since they have kept him out for both matches so far.. he seems to be the least favored in the team

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:19  

  • abhay: right, which when you consider that in too many games the toss was the deciding factor even earlier, makes things a bit more loaded.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:20  

  • rajg:

    I guess SG would come in place of Raina, rather than Rao...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:21  

  • raju...the supersub thinking from RD was clear...they have their batting lineup sorted....just not sure to have an extra spinner or seamer. So...get the spinner in XI and seamer as XII...in case they bowled second and spin didnt work...they had the extra pace option.

    The only thing slightly 'negative' about it was that this is a strategy made for loosing the toss...but still...if you can make it work...not bad

    By Blogger worma, at 07:21  

  • One way to keep Rao in the XV is not to make him bat in this match;
    When he fails, people ask for SG,
    best thing is not to send him early.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:21  

  • i think the super sub was a bit of a goof up as well. if you don't have ss in the main team then there are not too many conditions where you can utilize him esp in this ground where you know that if you win the toss you will field and if you lose the toss it is better to have ss before mk in any case. probably there is better case jp to be the super sub but i dont think mk should automatically get in a nod before jp or ss. actually his bowling record is not that great irrespective of which captain he is playing under.

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 07:21  

  • JP on a hat-trick

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 07:22  

  • wow

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:22  

  • hatrick Ball coming up!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:22  

  • JPY on hat-trick..... Sony nearly missed the wkt while playing replays...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:23  

  • I don't like the Captain's conference in Australia suggesting that the SuperSub be named after the toss, that makes it a 12 vs 12 game.

    The super sub, is not to allow 12 players, but to give the teams another chance, in case things get screwed up while batting or bowling, or if you make a mistake reading the pitch. It gives you another option.

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 07:23  

  • wow... JPY is hurrying thru the tail... just what we needed.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:23  

  • Prem, What are your thoughts on RD's captaincy so far? My personal opinion is that in the two games he has captained so far, he seems to be on the money. The good thing about him so far is that he isnt the stale, stereotype captain- He is willing to experiment and is looking good.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 07:23  

  • CI's S Rajesh did not get SS strategy in this match; RD explained why they did what they did; he could have listened to him before writing some stupid comment on it.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:23  

  • harsha: Nothing's changed from what I posted a day after Nagpur -- I'd like to see the team in some adversity, see how RD handles things in such a situation, is a better way of judging a captain than when things are going just right for the team. Not knocking what he has done so far, but IMHO what sets any good captain apart is what he does when things are going in favor of the opposition

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:25  

  • harsha:

    I think the only visible mistake RD has made in this match is forgeting to tell the umpire at the start of 16th over that he wanted to enforce 3rd powerplay. ;-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 07:26  

  • thing with supesub is u are allowed to have different theories and act accordingly why hang someone for doing it their way when it hasnt proved disastrous?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:26  

  • Ditto PREM... couldnt agree with you more.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 07:26  

  • Prem: I think Rahul in adverse situation was seen during the Mumbai test match against Australia. Trying to defend a total of 100-odd against the Aussies was a great task even on that minefield of a track.

    By Blogger madhugr, at 07:27  

  • yadav is the allrounder we are looking for. i think maybe they should let him walk in with sachin and drop sehwag down.....

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:28  

  • Prem:
    adverse situation??

    Leading a team ranked 7 against the second best team in the world;
    a lot of pressure off the field;
    SRT coming back after 6 months lay-off; don't know how he will come thru;
    the main fast bowlers get kicked out - Zaheer and Nehra;
    the main spinner is under too much pressure because of recent bad form;


    How worse the situation can get?

    This could be as bad as it can get.

    RD handled it real well... couldn't have been done better!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:28  

  • Murali, whattaguy!!

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 07:29  

  • madhugr: Sure, and he did a bit of that in SL as well -- but I was consciously ignoring what he did as a stop gap. Is easier to be aggressive then; harder when the job is yours for a longer term. My gut is, he'll cope, but frankly would like some empirical evidence.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:29  

  • Murali's batting is fun to watch...what about a 'SMILE' contest between Murali and Balaji

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 07:29  

  • SG is not needed - disruptive and divise forces are not needed now. As I have said before, let him go and open yet another restaurant or better still a spa

    By Blogger MM, at 07:30  

  • agree with prem and also need to give rd more time (> 1 yr or more preferably) before making any early judgements as he should be really judged based on the result over a period of time. but, i agree so far he is on the money.

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 07:30  

  • bring back Pathan!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:30  

  • yacrik: :-( To repeat. No intention of knocking the guy. When I said adverse situations, I did not mean the baggage outside of the field -- I meant, say, you are leading and the opposition is rocketing along at say 100/1 and your bowlers are getting thrashed. How you cope, how you set the field, how aggressive you can be -- it's that kind of thing I was talking about.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:31  

  • What prem means by adversity is in a match situation. Chasing totals successfully. Handling things when we lose early wickets. Winning finals. Jury is still out on RD. Still I am 100% there is no going back to SG. Its RD or someone else in future. Hopefully RD can survive till WC 2007.

    By Blogger sreeram, at 07:31  

  • I agree Prem. I think anyone can look good when SRT played the way he did and get India a 350 total to defend. Also this game where SL have been bowled for a pretty paultry total. That said, i think he has done well and looks like he has it in him to lead India and lead well. Whats your take on RD as captain in test cricket? I think if SG cant find a place in the ODI squad there is no way he can be accomodated for a test match place. I wont be surprised if RD leads India in the tests against SL too.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 07:33  

  • ok Prem - you meant "adverse MATCH situation"??? ok,, we will have to wait for that....
    If RD in charge Ind may not ever get to an adverse match sitation :)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:33  

  • The way Sri Lanka is playing and throwing their wickets away it seems that series has been fixed;)...LOLZ they are not even suitable for 8th rank. God knows how ICC judge them for 2nd rank in ICC ODI ranking.

    But for sure its not that Sri Lanka.

    By Blogger IHateGanguly.Com, at 07:33  

  • i hope more doesnot bring in gangs back....maybe wait till we go abroad and play on some racy wickets.....

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:33  

  • Hi Prem,
    SG looks set to combeack with next game. Will that impact things in dressing room or in field. Also how would GC handly SG now that he is no longer captain.

    By Blogger sreeram, at 07:34  

  • why are not they bringing the pacers.......

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:34  

  • Murali vs Bhajji, should be fun!!

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 07:34  

  • harsha: funnily enough, I'm prone to thinking he'll be a more than decent test captain, without the 'wait and see' thing about ODIs. The long range thinking, planning, all that stuff suits his temperament. Or maybe it's just that when we talked cricket in the past, it was inevitably about Tests and I found myself liking his thinking on a lot of stuff

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:35  

  • isn't this a comedy - Singh bowling to Murali;
    stop it guys! finish it off ; it's no fun watching this

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:35  

  • all out!

    By Blogger siddhu, at 07:35  

  • they heard me!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:35  

  • lankans all out. sardar strikes

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:35  

  • India's bowling rocked!!

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 07:36  

  • Prem...as others also commented here...time for pace again? Or are they keeping spin on because of Chandana?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:36  

  • yacrik: *L* If RD can ensure that India dominate every game as well as it has in Nagpur and so far, here, I'll sing hosannas all day and all night. Geez, that's my dream scenario

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:36  

  • PREM.. re: SG's selection.. I think a long view of it would be.. pick the best 14 players who can actually win you matches against AUS, Pak, SA, SL in the world cup. There's a component of self-selction here.. SG (and a few others) could automatically
    DE-select themselves with poor perofrmances. I do not think selectors are in such a tight spot really. Its for SG to prove he belongs and still has it in him. His ODI captaincy days are clearly over though.. which is prolly not bad thing for him. He might suffer from the Ex-PM syndome for a while but once he gets over that he can focus on his batting. The BEST part is SRT was in a similar siutation and has not doen too badly, has he. If its good for SRT its good for anybody else in the team. I am sure SG knows that. The point I am making I suppose is that with SRT around there's not much room for egos in the dressing room..including GC's.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 07:36  

  • how much time do we have for sleeping before the India reply?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 07:36  

  • prem is that reason you have not liked gangs much from the start....i also heard you are one of the founders of ihateganguly website :))

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:37  

  • I think RD has done well so far. It least we are sure of the captain thinking on his feet and trying out different options for making things happen than just letting the proceddings to drag. From all the posts so far, he seems very much in-charge too..

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 07:37  

  • worma: academic. *L* But earlier, during that 8th stand, I thought we could have used pathan with profit -- a tailender against IP, if he can bend it back in, I'd always figure is worth a go.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:37  

  • Prem .... Watched Yadav for the first time today..... Convinced he can never be a first change seam bowler. Bowling in the early 120's. Just not good enough. I think even Saurav in his prime was a shade better. I dont think he can even be compared to Andy Symonds. He will be found wanting against more aggresive teams or to sustain an onslaught

    Not just the pace and the movement.... even the release of the ball seems to be a bit strange. There is a pronounced crouch .... the coaching manuals would recommend a fast bowler to lean on the ball and move forward to get some pace ... I see none of that .... Wonder how he picks these many wickets in the domestic .... Ideal bowler to slog on those pata wickets ... Some how there seems to be more to his bowling than what meets the eye
    g

    By Blogger indCric, at 07:38  

  • Prem, the more we see SL playing the more I am reminded of what you said about SL (good in home conditions and average outside).

    The ICC ranking does not take into consideration whether you win home or away. It is high time this is changed and more weightage is given to away victory!

    By Blogger siddhu, at 07:38  

  • yep Prem...everything seems to work well now :-)..but last match also spinners could have been taken off earlier....ahh but as long as it works well...

    By Blogger worma, at 07:38  

  • prasad we know you have a handle burning for gangs but based on performance there is no way he should be selected....i think even laxman can be selected before gangs but ganguly has to do more...so whom should we drop....i wouldnot change a winning team

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:38  

  • So Prem would know judge Dravid's performance when played against some strong opposition? SL is a good team and if they get decimitated cause all the Indian players are pulling their weight, then don't you think u should congratulate dravid and the coach instead? Dravid should be judged every match regardless of the opposition.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:38  

  • tombaan: top marks on your hearing, mate. Is what the reason -- that I've talked to RD? No. Or that I have not talked to SG? Again, no -- I have, often enough. Been to his home too, couple times. *shrug*
    One of these days, you guys have to give me the right to decide who and what I hate, and what not. Appreciate it, much.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:38  

  • rd will be even better as a test captain but remains to be seen how it shapes up...oddly enough, i think sg has a better chance of being in the test team than the odis

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 07:39  

  • I don't speak for GC (no need to tell that of course :)

    If SG comes back, I think GC will handle him professionally - no doubt in my mind; there won't be any silly jokes flying around in the dressing room; GC is a professional and he will stick to it.
    RD has a professional attitude and take no prisoner attitude; He would be fine too;
    I don't see any issues with SG around; It's just the batting form and mental/phyiscal fitness, SG has to worry about; don't need to worry about social things in the dressing room.

    But again, VVS and Kaif might be ahead in the Q

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:40  

  • jgohill: Geez, friend, what's up with all this? I did not say his captaincy is bad. In fact, even in SL I pointed to stuff I liked (and got flamed -- that of course was because I hate Ganguly). I *merely* said, if I was going to rate him as captain, I would like to see him handle the team in adversity, when things are going wrong -- that's a federal offense?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:40  

  • will thetart right away? 2nd innings s

    By Blogger Toney, at 07:42  

  • I meant 2nd innings

    By Blogger Toney, at 07:42  

  • no they are taking a break now

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:43  

  • toney: yes, per the rules.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:43  

  • ok guys need to get ready to go to work.....

    By Blogger tombaan, at 07:43  

  • Yes, let him the captain for some time before you start praising or critcizing him!!
    Its too early to say anything...that doesnt mean he is a bad captain....

    Please leave the topic of Good captain bad captain..till next 2-3 series....

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 07:43  

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    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:43  

  • yacrik, I totally agree.
    Selectors have to look at all possible options available.

    By Blogger siddhu, at 07:44  

  • yacrik: *L* your nails are safe, dont worry.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:44  

  • prem,
    what do u think made harbhajan reconcile with Chappell? or has he? he has no problems bowling round the stumps to left-handers now. Is that Chappell effect?

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 07:45  

  • Prem..possibly a great chance for VS to put his head down and play like a test match?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:45  

  • after the initial impulse..

    This match was very much dependen on toss.. and it was higly likely the that "it will be win the toss and field"..

    a sensible thnktank would like to reduce the effect of the toss..

    Hence if we win, we have 5 batsmen anyway.. when the bowling becomes tough in second innings, we get SS..

    if we bowl first, we get the best of bowling condition.. dont need SS.. and as batting seems easier in second innings.. no need for the extra bat.. specially looking at IP/JP/MD/AA(whatever..)..

    so SS as supersub was probably used to add spine to the bowling in second innings if we lose toss..

    Hence it looks like a valid argument to me..

    Anyway its in hindsight.. so wont ask for "Prasad's" marks..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 07:45  

  • the match is starting now..so dont sleep guys..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 07:46  

  • they are starting right away - did not know this.... glad I did not get up and go.

    will they finish it off before lunch?

    ok Prem - by hand is out of the pocket now!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:46  

  • prem: nah mate. that's not a federal offense. I think a true test of his temparement and captain abilities will be how he handles when SG is back in the side. That's the biggest adversity he'll face in my opinion.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:46  

  • TOMBAAN

    If you are AUS, NZ, PAK, SL. WHo would you rather bowl to SG in full flow or VR in full flow in a world cup game ? Of course I may not have a strong argument if VVS is in the picture.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 07:46  

  • Actually in this match India has proved that supersub is not necessary if the team really plays well. This rule was made to equalise unequal teams.

    By Blogger siddhu, at 07:46  

  • do not under estimate SG's disruptiveness - it is real and will almost certainly affect the "dressing room". He was THE guy to have around 4 years ago - not now

    By Blogger MM, at 07:47  

  • TOMBAAN,, "Full flow" is the operative phrase there. That is for SG to prove that he can perform.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 07:47  

  • what is the bet on vs doing well today?? i think one down should be vg to give him some chance at least

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 07:47  

  • shyam: No idea, mate. Read someplace that GC had been working on getting him to go round the wicket to lefties, something JW tried getting him to do earlier with little success. Who knows, it could be as simple as, someone makes you do something, it works, the wickets are in your name not the coach's, you tend to feel kindly towards him? IP for instance made some statement, and that was before the excreta hit the fan, about GC having helped him with his bowling -- could be the same thing. Then again, who in heck knows with Bajji?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:47  

  • Prem, whats your take on JPY? Although he has done well in this game and in the past in Zim, i just dont believe that he has it in him against better opposition like Pak and Australia. He is basically a wicket to wicket bowler with little or no variations in pace.I dont think he is the allrounder that India is searching for. I dont want to take any credit away from him because he has, as i said, done well in the limited opportunities he has got, but i dont think he is the right answer.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 07:48  

  • 4!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:49  

  • btw, so much for perth like wicket....claims made by mohali curator

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 07:49  

  • jgohill: I somehow think if and when that happens, it won't be quite as traumatic as is imagined.
    It is in SG's interests, now that he is not captain, to focus on his batting and make sure of his place -- not much point politiking, assuming he wants to, if that is not a given.
    The only tricky point could be when MK comes back and you have to decide who to drop -- if I know RD at all, he will make sure whichever way that goes, it is a concensus decision, and he'll likely coopt SRT into the think tank; that is one guy with stature to say something and make it stick

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:50  

  • If team plays really well, don't even need 11 players - 5 to bowl and the same 5 to bat;
    (someone said if team plays well, don't need SS)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:51  

  • harsha, JPY reminds me of Gavin Larsen of NZ. I used to hate that guy. No variations, just bowls wicket to wicket and gives nothing.
    He is one of the most economical bowlers in world cricket.
    I am not saying JPY will be same, but atleast based on his performances he is promising.

    By Blogger siddhu, at 07:51  

  • Zoysa to Sehwag holds the key the match!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:52  

  • i too saw JPY for the 1st time today and thought he was so so - could be creamed by teams in better form (I can see Freddie & Pietersen smacking their lips)

    By Blogger MM, at 07:52  

  • and it's a non-starter!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:52  

  • PREM.. My earlier comment.. repost. Your opinion ?

    re: SG's selection.. I think a long view of it would be.. pick the best 14 players who can actually win you matches against AUS, Pak, SA, SL in the world cup. There's a component of self-selction here.. SG (and a few others) could automatically
    DE-select themselves with poor perofrmances. I do not think selectors are in such a tight spot really. Its for SG to prove he belongs and still has it in him. His ODI captaincy days are clearly over though.. which is prolly not bad thing for him. He might suffer from the Ex-PM syndome for a while but once he gets over that he can focus on his batting. The BEST part is SRT was in a similar siutation and has not doen too badly, has he. If its good for SRT its good for anybody else in the team. I am sure SG knows that. The point I am making I suppose is that with SRT around there's not much room for egos in the dressing room..including GC's.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 07:52  

  • harsha: Haven't seen enough of his batting to make a call. Re his bowling, I thought he would do well today -- but if you notice when i posted that, it was after four wickets went down. That was more match situation than anything else -- in such a position, a guy who bowls tight wicket to wicket is hard to do much against, since you can't afford risk. I'd think his kind of bowling, if the batting side has runs under its belt, invites collar, so on that front I am not too ecstatic about his long term prospects.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:52  

  • I hope for a decent calm chase that ensures a 10 wicket victory :-)

    I hope not asking for too much!

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 07:53  

  • come on guys - JPY getting creamed by good teams - even Zaheer and Srinath got creamed by good teams in full flow - nothing specific to JPY

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:54  

  • prasad: it doesn't have to be about SG -- I'm *always* for that theory. Pick your *best* -- meaning in form, in fitness, match ready -- players, you've always got a better chance than if you pick on personality, on what someone did or did not do in the past, whatever.
    For instance, if SRT weren't match fit (I'd think he is about 80 per cent, actually), it shouldn't matter he has more odi runs than anyone on the planet. Alternately, if SG is in touch, it shouldn't matter if his last 12 games were duds -- the only question is, is he one of the six or seven best you have? Answer that in all honesty, and your selection job is done for you

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:55  

  • yeah prem...agree with you there...but ganguly will hit top form and would want the captainship, thus disrupting the team further. personally i dont think ganguly should be selected for one-dayers cause his contribution to the team would be purely on batting unless he starts bowling. his fielding sucks! i think he should just take a leaf out of sachin. Concentrate on his batting, help the young guns and should focus on one thing - help India win as many games as he can.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:56  

  • kinda slow start to the innings; SRT is not off the mark yet - VS has 4s to his name yet; could be the low-scoring nail-biter ?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:57  

  • well, VS has just 1 4 , not 4s

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:57  

  • yacrik: For my part, I wasn't talking of 'good teams'. I was talking of teams in good positions -- ergo, batsmen more in an aggressive frame of mind. His kind of bowling is damned hard if the batsmen have to play within themselves, because there are few natural angles to hit through. But if the batsmen can afford to be aggressive, he is just right -- at his pace, you have time to step in and change the line, or step away, whatever.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:57  

  • We have every one of our speahead murdered by top team.. atleast in all mportant matches.. finals etc..

    And those guys couldn't bowl even on one side of wicket.. some of the wides were .. one on the third slip.. second through the fine leg..

    Now well JPY is no Akram/Waqar/Lee/mcGrath/Pollock..

    But he is one of the good one we got.. atleast you can PLAN to stop runs..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 07:58  

  • Prem...my earlier comment..
    If I were SG, I would swallow my pride and accept the fact that my days as the captain are over.Then, talk to GC and RD and the seniors and offer to be the player/mentor.

    He will be able to carry on this way only if he genuinely does what he says and refrains from polarising the various elements in the team..that way he can prolong his career and probably earn more kudos. I still feel he can be a good player till the WC and contribute if he works hard. SG in tests is bye bye, as I see it

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 07:59  

  • jgohill: Frankly, I think for SG to hit top form, he needs to go into heavy duty nets. Ideally, would love to see him spend two, three weeks at the Aus academy. Based on what I saw recently, too many errors now, to hit his straps without remedial action

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 07:59  

  • PREM.. Agreed. SG IMO makes a great supersub. He bats better than JP. W/o pressure of cpatiancy..his bowling might pick up. Bowling conditions in WI might suit him.. sea breeze and all that. Pity we dont bowl iwth a red ball in ODIs' he'd do better.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 08:00  

  • prem...I dont think its always as simple as picking the best 6 or 7 (while I agree its tempting...and often followed)...esp because of our domestic competitions not being the right criteria to judge people (but even otherwise, in Aus etc...I dont think this is a 'perfect' solution). For example...how do you judge a Rao against a VVS?

    Or another example....how do you judge an SRT, when he failed in Challenger, against say a Yuvraj(just assume that it was a toss up between the two)??...there has to be a judgment on the 'capability' of a player...and not just the immediate 'form'...no?? I know the statement 'form is temp, class perm' is a cliche....but its true in certain cases...isn't it?...another good example...Aus stuck with Hayden despite him struggling for long time..and Hodge/Hussey showing good form..so?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:00  

  • wow...has anyone seen sachin play such shots? his straight drives are usually just pushes. Here it is a full follow-through..wants to finish off before dinner break...

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 08:01  

  • reverse: SG prolly would do just that, he is a very decent sort of bloke at heart -- if it weren't for his 'advisors'. Too many folks depend on him for reflected glory; for too long, they've been filling his ears up with nonsense.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:01  

  • Batting wise, SL is so much dependent on SJ and KS. I dont think their middle order is a threat to anyone. But have one of the best lower order players.

    By Blogger siddhu, at 08:01  

  • worma: to take the example you mentioned? I presume this 'judging' is based on what I see, in domestic, in nets, during fitness sessions, et al? If yes, then I was a selector, I'd look to see if Laxman was moving smooth in physical training sessions; if he was middling in nets. If yes, I would pick him over Rao -- simply because 75 per cent of laxman today is better than 100 per cent of rao, so I *am* going with the better player. By the same token, if I find he is sluggish, I'd avoid him -- there is no way you are going to be physically unfit, and yet play the sort of long knocks you want from a Lax

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:04  

  • 2.3 Vaas to Tendulkar, FOUR, a full ball, and he drives that with
    power! Almost took out Sehwag at the other end!

    Was this hit in the air?
    I am really amazed at SRT's shot selection. All the shots he took out from his repertoire are coming back. Is this GC's magic?

    By Blogger siddhu, at 08:04  

  • god, this is awful bowling

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:05  

  • sidhu: In the air? VS hadn't bent himself triple, he was ambulance bait. Never in a long time known him to hit that shot with such venomous follow through.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:06  

  • 3.5 Zoysa to Sehwag, FOUR!!, outside off and short, cuts it in the air to deep backward point, another one that went over on the bounce!!
    3.4 Zoysa to Sehwag, SIX!!, another short one, this time Sehwag goes for even further, pulls it over short fine leg and it clears the fine leg fence in a hurry, massive blow!!
    3.3 Zoysa to Sehwag, FOUR!!, one too many short deliveries, Sehwag knows it, gets back and pulls it high to deep mid wicket, one bounce over the ropes

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:06  

  • you could say awesome batting as well :)

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:06  

  • Now that was a good ball Vaas could have reasonably expected would be pushed to mid off -- not slapped through wide midwicket like it was a fly

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:06  

  • Thats the best shot so far, SRT through the offside

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:07  

  • "Within the framework of risk they are going to be conservative, but they are going to take the risk" - Arun Lal

    Can someone explain to me what that means? Maybe I am too tired

    By Blogger Bala, at 08:07  

  • indian: *L* I love when Sehwag hits, that's a given. That said, you've got to be nuts to bowl short and wide outside off to him.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:07  

  • 4.2 Vaas to Tendulkar, FOUR!!, fraction short outside off, gets just some bat to it to place it through the covers, the timing was just perfect!!
    4.1 Vaas to Tendulkar, FOUR!!, another cross batted swipe, picked it from outside off and smashes it through mid wicket, these batsmen are in a hurry!!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:07  

  • can someone tell me how can a block from SRT on off get his a 4 ??

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:08  

  • toney: totally, pure silk that. :-) The guy really looks awesome

    bala: or maybe Arun is? *L*

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:08  

  • prem...well but if Lax has been struggling in international games over a prolonged period of time...and looking good in nets....and meanwhile Rao has been doing decently in the limited opportunities...then what? Case in point..by second example of Hayden...looked completely out of sorts in the middle (and yes, did well in nets, practise matches etc) while Hodge and Hussey were doing great in whatever was thrown their way...so?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:08  

  • prem, ever tried that shot off a quick bowler? I am sure my face would have been rearranged

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:09  

  • this paddle sweep from srt is becoming a trademark shot now...

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:10  

  • SWEEP a fast bowler??
    Is this SRT batting?


    4.4 Vaas to Tendulkar, FOUR!!, paddles it from outside off to the fine leg boundary, Vaas is left wondering if he is a spinner, incredible batting!!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:10  

  • SRT making a statement after his comeback!

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 08:10  

  • prem -

    Tired as in "thakela" or tired as in weary;-)

    By Blogger Bala, at 08:10  

  • Is it possible that GC convinced SRT to play his natural game.
    Other than him I dont see anyone else who could have changed SRT's mind.

    By Blogger siddhu, at 08:10  

  • time for Murali?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:11  

  • Prem - would you stick in Murali to them right now?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:11  

  • Now, what was that? did sachin actually leave that ball outside off?

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:12  

  • great body language...I wonder if it has to do with SG dropping...and PP, if you have noticed..Sachin is fielding in the mid-On position where he comes in for his normal 'Kaan -mantra' to the bowlers - earlier during SG..he was consigned to the boundary line...RD allowing him that liberty...

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 08:13  

  • I think SL did not come prepared for an in-form SRT ... They could not believe that he could come back so strongly... And now, they have no plan for him.. or even VS

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:14  

  • 50 up!

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 08:14  

  • ruchir, When SRT is in form, oppositions have one plan. WAit and pray

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:15  

  • aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... please dont start the SG debate again. it hurts....may be sachin was at long on because he has the best arm in the team.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:15  

  • murali in

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:16  

  • Ruchir - SPOT on ... i think the SL team did take this tour a bit lightly ... coz we gave them all signs of weakness ....

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:16  

  • as expected, Murali is on !

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:16  

  • murali getting his masters due! SRT at his best.. 2 consecutive 4s

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 08:16  

  • Damn, I expected a six off the first Murali ball. Like he did when Saqlain came in at Dhaka (the 314 game)

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:16  

  • anthony@dubai..where do you get all these ideas from mate..about sg asking srt only to field in boundaries...too hot in dubai?? :)

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:16  

  • and SRT slaps him straight down the ground for 4. this will be interesting. 4 more!!!

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:17  

  • SRT banging Murali....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:17  

  • oh dreams.....why he forgot this 'coming out of the crease and hit in the air' against spinners'

    By Blogger Vick, at 08:17  

  • and I am still wating for the day when this super-sub 'thingi' will make ODI's more exciting....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:18  

  • This murderous onslaught --- they have decided to demoralise the opposition ... long time since we rubbed it into the opp when they are down ...

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:18  

  • SRT playing murali like a "gully" bowler...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:18  

  • The tests are going to be fun if SRT gets into Murali

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:19  

  • how many more overs b4 the break.
    can they extend the game by 30 mins so that SRT and VS can finish this????

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:19  

  • One of the best gang-banging I have seen from SRT and VS.... pardon the language.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:19  

  • best thing now is to throw the ball to Maharoof- he could do something

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:20  

  • ruchir,it certainly has been orgasmic...LOL

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:21  

  • I cannot tell you how much pleasure I get watching SL get creamed. This is a treat. SL is the most annoying team out there.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 08:21  

  • Guys - keep typing in when there is something exciting like a boundary etc coz the cricinfo is too slow for me today

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:21  

  • any news on Team selection? any NDTV update?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:22  

  • @mit:

    SRT has overtake VS... SRT = 31 and VS = 28

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:22  

  • sorry, now VS = 32...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:23  

  • worma and the rest: later, guys, this is not to be missed :-)

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 08:23  

  • prem i think you actually have evidence of dravid captaining under pressure. if you remember the triseries in SL, india made low totals on more than one occasion, and dravid did a great job of taking initiative, being attacking and putting pressure on the batsmen.

    By Blogger Dhruv Deepak, at 08:23  

  • @mit, zoysa hit over mid off by VS for a 4.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:23  

  • and over mid wicket by SRT for 4.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:24  

  • what a shocker

    S.Africa's Dippenaar out of India cricket tour
    http://za.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2005-10-28T115800Z_01_BAN843108_RTRIDST_0_OZASP-CRICKET-SAFRICA-DIPPENAAR-20051028.XML

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:24  

  • now SRT is 35.... perfect gang-nanging, this...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:24  

  • I am not against SG ..he was the one who instilled some 'pride' in this team..but everyone has his day...and someone mentioned..it not 'when' but 'why' is asked that you should step out...and SG had a golden opportunity...maybe he will still comeback..but in the current status...I dont think there will be any change in the team set-up for the next 2 to 4 ODIs

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 08:24  

  • yeah Prem...I guessed that :-)...and me stuck with work...had actually planned to catch the second inning....damn this bulldozing display by Indians ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:24  

  • chhodo all this analysis yaar...

    this is bliss..Sehwag and Sachin in a murderous mood

    By Blogger Bala, at 08:25  

  • Zoysa must be wondering why they consider mohali to be a fast bowler's paradise?

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:25  

  • Blueboy, in the late 70s, I think in 78, when we were playing australia in australia with Bobby Simpson coming out his retirement because our present coach was playing Packer's , after a test win Bedi (the captain) was asked in a telvision interview as to how he felt when India won and he in his typical Sardaar fashion replied, "Oh, I almost had and orgasm…" This is true..

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 08:26  

  • I know its just two games and we have a big season ahead of us - too premature to make predictions etc....but its two games that we have dominated and with all the depressing stuff that happened earlier - can't help but break out into an estatic WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!
    (maybe even break into a dance routine...)

    Both SRT and VS on 36 as I type.....

    By Blogger DeadCenter, at 08:26  

  • murali and VS smiling at each other... wow... SL enjoying the banging !!!

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:27  

  • guys, can they extend the game by 30 mins so that SRT and VS can finish this????

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:27  

  • i mean b4 the break.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:27  

  • no boundary in this over ... is this test cricket :-)

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:28  

  • yacrik, looks like atapattu heard u. maharoof into the attack

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:29  

  • last few balls before the break...it is like a thriller being cut short by a song...

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 08:30  

  • it is raining too much for any 'roof' to protect them .... apologies for the PJ

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:30  

  • Guys - who will get to 50 first?

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:31  

  • Prem "worma and the rest: later, guys, this is not to be missed :-)"

    You can't be serious can you?

    I am sure its great to see Sachin/Shewag on song, but slaughtering a team while chasing 122 runs in 50 overs can't be a great sight for any cricket lover...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:32  

  • SRT

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:32  

  • VS gone... lame dismissal

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 08:32  

  • VS out!80-1

    By Blogger blueboy, at 08:32  

  • Where was this sachin hiding till now?
    There were so many articles and views on how old he is, how 16 years of cricket has taken its toll on him, how he cannot play the straight lofted shot etc..
    I am sure nobody has expected this from SRT. Has he decided enough is enough.
    He is going to give sleepless nights to all the teams now.

    By Blogger siddhu, at 08:33  

  • oh no

    By Blogger @mit, at 08:33  

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