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Thursday, October 27, 2005

Lankan experiments

Sri Lanka, it says here, could up Kumar Sangakarra to the top of the batting lineup. Interesting option actually -- KS is a freewheeling player, his pairing with Sanath Jayasuriya could give tremendous momentum at the top of the order (and reprise the SJ-Kaluwitharana opening pair of earlier); it also permits Marvan Atapattu to bat down the order and, rather than look for quick runs at the top, play the anchor role.
Elsewhere, Mohammad Kaif has been asked to sit out the next three ODIs as well; which among other things could make a Saurav Ganguly return almost certain IMHO.
Meanwhile Dravid, here, seems to suggest that the experimentation, with short term and long term goals in mind, is set to continue.


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  • Prema:

    I think it will be a good move to promote Sangakkara to an opener. A batsman in form at the top certainly does wonders, especially in ODIs. Sangakkara has certainly proved before that he can take on the role.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 13:38  

  • Saurav Ganguly has an average of 17 over the last 12 or so games (incidentally for those who claim he is a great batsman yadda yadda yadda and 12 is too less a number to gauge - note 12 is the number of ODIs on which RD will be judged)

    So on what basis is Ganguly going to be selected - just because he hit a hundred against some no-name players in what had effectively been reduced to a "popatwadi" contest (to borrow a phrase).

    No sir..Ganguly should sit out. He has had enough chances and now it is time to give Venu Rao a fair run in the squad.

    Now Prem, this is what I think should happen.
    I'm pretty sure what will end up happening is different.

    There are enough people still smitten with Ganguly's PAST deeds. They don't understand that on current ODI form, he must not make it to the squad.

    BTW, I do agree with someone else who said that GG is the sitting duck in the squad who will be dropped. And I have a sneaky feeling that GG will step out to open tonight, as supersub, if India chase.

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:40  

  • And if GG pulls off a good innings tonight, it will complicate matters further.
    SMG may write another column saying GG was sent out to open to keep Ganguly out and I hope he (GG) does (keep SG out)

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:43  

  • I dont think sourav should return so early. In the first place he has asked to prove his form and fitness in the challenger series, which he didnt. And second of all he scored a century against a domestic side in a 4 day match. He would have to prove his form in the domestic one day season before he is allowed to get in. And for statistical validity one century is not good enough for a comeback. For chris sakes even Rahul dravid asks us to hold our horses before calling phatan an allrounder, how then can souravs one innings allow him to get back in the team!?

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 13:43  

  • who is GG by the way?

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 13:45  

  • Dude rahul_fan

    With a name like yours and with the stuff you are writing about, its only time before the ganugly-apologists in here (and there are lots) take you down!

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:45  

  • oh ok Gautam Ghambir......but he is not in the playing 11 ?

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 13:46  

  • @rahul_fan

    GG=Gautam Gambhir.
    Sorry mate, when I first got onto this blog, it took me a while to get all the two letter abbreviations right :-) and I hated it, but I guess I am guilty now

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:47  

  • Hasnt Sangakara opened in ODIs previously?

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:47  

  • he is not in the playing 11, but I tend to agree with the assessment that he will be brought in as a supersub

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:47  

  • well i am making valid points and if they have valid point i am prepared to answere them.

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 13:48  

  • Prem, I think lost in the surprise and relief over the first win is the fact that we still do not have a credible no. 3 in the line-up. I think Dravid likes the idea of controlling the innings at no.4 or 5 with Yuvraj and Kaif to assist him. This firm has bene working pretty well. It remains to be seen who will step up and grab the spot, whether it's Rao, Raina, Gambhir or Ganguly. I personally like the idea of Gambhir opening with Sachin, and Sehwag at 3. Another option could be to bring Sehwag down to 6, just to shake things up for him a bit.

    I do think it's a little early to talk of Ganguly returning, as I think Rao and Raina haven't had a fair shot yet.

    By Blogger Sudo Nima, at 13:48  

  • of course valid mate @rahul_fan

    I agree with your assessment totally, as noted in my first post

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:49  

  • Prem:

    I had asked your thoughts on "Super Soaker" some time ago but I guess you are busy and you skipped it. So, I am putting it here again, in case you browse thru this section.

    Most Australian grounds have a vehicle called "Super Soaker". It is a miniaturized road-roller kind of vehicle where the front rolling part is made of huge chunk of sponge. When there is water on ground because of rains etc., they run it on the ground and the sponge sucks the water. After every 5 minutes, they drive the vehicle to the side and a pump automatically flushes out water from the sponge and it is ready to soak again.

    My question is, can that machine be used in Indian grounds to quickly remove most or part of dew from the grass; or even rain water? In winter, most grounds have large amount of due when match starts at 9:00 AM and also in the 2nd innings of D/N matches. Is it a very costly machine to buy? If BCCI is not willing, can state associations afford it?

    It can be used during lunch time and also during drink breaks to remove whatever dew can be removed quickly. That way, playing field will be a little more equal for both teams.

    Your thoughts??

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 13:50  

  • alvin -

    Do not underestimate Ganguly or rather his political connections.

    You will see him enter the squad, as Prem suggests.

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:51  

  • I think V. Rao should come in at 1 down this time. Lets save pathan for the 3 ODI! and we are only talking about our batting while our bowling looks very brittle.....i dont think anyone of our bowlers ia atleast as quick or accurate as vass.

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 13:52  

  • Vaas is one of the best. I doubt that we can find someone like him easily

    By Blogger Bala, at 13:53  

  • bala, KS stood upto Vaas in the last match, especially towards the end. Wonder why! Perhaps to prevent the batsman from stepping out and then letting Vaas try some reverse swing, if on offer. But even then, KS standing up was a surprise, considering that he is their front fast line bowler

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:00  

  • A googly for you all

    I think (as Prem does) that Dada will be "selected" but now do you think that RD an GC will be in their 'rights' to make him sit out ... or if he is 'selected' then that means that RD and GC "have to' put him in the playing 11 or 12.... how about that?

    By Blogger @mit, at 14:01  

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    By Blogger @mit, at 14:01  

  • I would love to see SG(if he is selected :( ) serving as a twelth man and bringing drinks for Karthik and Rao.

    In such a case, he just might book his tickets and bang the door while on his way out..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:03  

  • toney -

    I noticed that too. But that was probably because all the bowlers were trying to take the pace off the ball and not let it come on to the bat. Look at the number of slower ones that were bowled. So I wasn't really surprised that KS stood up to Vaas. IMHO Vaas is still one of the best bowlers in the world - not the fastest, but still one of the best

    By Blogger Bala, at 14:04  

  • IMHO (this is a phrase used too ofteon on this blog -- too humble people) DADA will be made to sit out if he is selected and then hell may break loose

    SO Kiran More will ask RD and GC if they will play SG --- if not then SG will not be selected .. what do you all say?

    By Blogger @mit, at 14:04  

  • If Rahul Dravid is serious about captaining in the RIGHT WAY then saurav will be out of the playing 12. That has to be the case if merit is the basis for choosing the 12 players.

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 14:05  

  • thanks_chappel -

    You may be berated for what you just said, but I would be lying if I say that I haven't thought of exactly the same thing ...many many times.

    By Blogger Bala, at 14:05  

  • I think it iwll be undue insult if SG is asked to sit out ... better off by not selecting him at all ... he deserves that respect --- i think he has earned that .

    I think the selectors should check with RD before selecting SG and RD should give his candid opinion. If he thinks that SG is an automatic choice in the playing 11 amongst the 15 that he is given .. SG should be selected

    By Blogger @mit, at 14:08  

  • bala, totally agree about Vaas being a very good bowler.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:08  

  • BTW - Do you guys think SG will still remain the captain of Tests .. as far as I know RD is still not the TEST captain - am I right

    By Blogger @mit, at 14:09  

  • In an ideal world, SG should not be selected in the firt place. But since we all know its not an ideal world, even if he gets selected i am sure RD has the balls to sit him out. I mean the guy decleared an innings when SRT was on 198 something. RD has got to do the right thing even if the selectors dont!

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 14:12  

  • @mit - you are right -- I think DADA should be in playing 11 if he is selected or he should be completely kept ... I am wondering how alone he must be feeling right now .... like ajit wadekar who was showerd when the team won in eng and kicked later

    By Blogger Rakesh, at 14:12  

  • @bala --- ur comment on SG's average was pretty amusing. I guess u just picked up the wat Anand Vasu voiced in his column.Well then, lets look at Dravid's avg. in the last 12 games bfr the Nagpur one. 52,0,10,69,5,14,39,6,0,4,26,16 = 241 . That leads to an avg of 20. So according to ur rationale,he shud have been dropped too ?

    By Blogger back2grave, at 14:14  

  • Keep off this earned respect bullshit..

    Every player in the 15 is the same.

    Every player in the 11 is the same except the captain part who is the commander..

    so I dotn understand the logic of if SG is selected, he should be in the 11..

    He might be in the 15 but not in 11.. and why NOT.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:14  

  • back2grave,
    make it 13 games and the avg is 28..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:16  

  • Firstly - I agree that he shold be in 15 itself - not yet ....

    But I think that the selectors should select him in playing 15 only if they are confident that the captain will play him in 11 ... else it will be another controversy which indian crickt can do away with at this point ...

    By Blogger @mit, at 14:17  

  • and also when calculating average you dont take into account the Not OUT innings.......which i am reasonably sure RD must be and PRETTY DAMN SURE that SG was not.

    By Blogger rahul_fan, at 14:19  

  • Because if SG does not play -people will blame GC and say he is being childish etc ... else they will say RD and SG do not get along together

    By Blogger @mit, at 14:19  

  • Damn this ganguly issue keeps coming back. I think you should tie ganguly and agarkar together and drop them in the sea of their choice - bay of bengal or arabian sea

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 14:35  

  • I don't really understand this earned respect thing. So, its only Ganguly who has earned respect. What about Kumble. How many times was he made to sit outside playing eleven. Did he not earn any respect. Just count how many games he has won for India Single handedly. Damn this hypocrisy. Everyone in the team is same. All the selections should be made based on teams requirements and form of the particular player.

    By Blogger Yorker, at 14:46  

  • Good point, yorker. Look at how many times Aus has made Warne and Lee sit out!!

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 14:50  

  • I think SG will be named Captain of Test team....and not be selected for the ODI's....

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 14:55  

  • ILoveCricket, if the ODI team cannot afford a passenger, why would the test team? Let him make his way back as a player if he can - that way if he can be selected or dropped based on merit. As it is, it will be a tough task not to lose the test series to sri lanka - we don't need a liability as a captain

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 15:04  

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    By Blogger Kiran R, at 15:13  

  • ashwin..I am with you all the way! I think Ganguly is too disruptive an influence on the team now..Personally ..even if he proves himself as a player..I do not want him in the team..I want to give RD a clear run for at least 6 months as a captain WITHOUT the presence of SG in the team(in form or not)..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 15:19  

  • that goes for both ODI's and test..But unfortunalely I am not the head of the selection committee..and they usually have their own ways of thinking..sigh..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 15:20  

  • ilovecricket, thanks. u had me worried for a while :)
    i still think it should be ok to have him as a batsman (especially a supersub) provided he can be dropped if he does not perform

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 15:22  

  • More importantly,
    if RD continues to exhibit the same acumen for captaincy that he did in Nagpur then the selectors need to think over the pros and cons of SG vs RD as a test captain. The one pro for SG that I have heard here is that he has built the team from a fragmented structure into a fighting machine. You can temper that with the observation that he has again dismantled that fighting machine into a factionalised conglomeration much like our UPA govt. RD on the other hand hasnt shown any such divide and rule proclivities. He seems to be doing lots of innovative what-if thinking and experimentation. The preparation going into each match will be there for everyone to see.
    I daresay the selectors will need hides thicker than rhinoceroses to be able to select SG as a Test captain in light of all this.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 15:23  

  • But then when the persons at the helm are pachyderms like Mahendra and Dalmiya, I wont be surprised to find that SG has been made captain for the tests. And the explanation - he has 'earned the respect'.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 15:26  

  • I Love cricket and Ashwin,
    I completly agree with your observations. However I would wait for results and RD's leadership against SL and SA and then decide. Just one win is not enough. Isn't it?

    By Blogger J, at 15:30  

  • J, even if RD does not prove to be a good leader, it is scarcely an argument for bringing in a non-performing player as a captain. And for that matter Ganguly's captaincy skills are highly overrated - most of what he has achoeved have been on the basis of solid performances by dravid and tendulkar and not due to brilliant captaincy. If RD does not perform as captain, sure don't continue with him as captain but find someone who can make it into the team on his merits as a player

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 15:35  

  • ashvin..agree with you there too...However I think RD will prove to be a very competent captain and we will not need to have the discussion about another ODI captain till after World Cup...

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 15:40  

  • I agree with you Ashvin. Even if you look at his most famous wins, they were because of some earth shattering mind boggling superb individual performances by Yuvi and Kaif(nat west), RD and Lax ( the double centuries against Aus)

    By Blogger J, at 15:53  

  • touche ..ilovecricket

    Now to give the test captaincy to RD and give back Ganguly his rightful place in the test and ODI teams

    By Blogger Bala, at 16:19  

  • ....said place being OUTSIDE the 14


    By Blogger Bala, at 16:20  

  • ruchir: the super sopper can be used to remove dew, but unless the dew fall is really heavy, that is a bit like taking an elephant gun to a mouse. An easier option is the great rope trick -- you've surely seen it in action, not just in India but across the world, where groundsmen hold either end of a long rope, and swish it across the field in great swatches, almost like 'shaving' off the moisture from the top of the grass.

    Works fine. Thing though is, when it rains and stops, you use the super sopper and mop up the stuff and that is it, finito. Dew, though, you can do a mop say during the drinks break, but if it is heavy fall, it's all back there within the next 15 minutes -- and there is a limit to how many times you can interrupt play.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 16:22  

  • sorry, this is kind of a flying visit. much to do, and i have to do it all so's i can watch the game tonight. feels like being a kid again, where dad would go, no cricket until you finish your homework. Later, peoples

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 16:23  

  • This one is for Bala regarding his comment on last 12 ODI of Gangu.

    Do you know that RD scored a whopping 110 runs in his last 8 ODIs till Nagpur? Avearge : 13.

    No maths needed!

    It is not fair to take a minute slice of data for players who have been around for a long time. That is simply not cricket.

    If you go to statsguru you'll see Gangu's records abroad compares well with RD, even after going through the traumatic experience of being in hottest chair for 5 years.

    By Blogger SS, at 16:33  

  • There goes the SG haters...for I cannot use any other word. Logical arguments can be argued for and against..not passion. The average in last 12 innings in ODIs and then you have all sorts of havoc...Dravid was bowled everytime for under 10 in the last 5 ODIs that we played abroad..oh but then he was probably in shock for losing the captaincy. The point is that Dravid would have been the logical choice to be the captain after Ganguly but his time was running out as selectors might have chosen someone younger. Ganguly has said in many interviews (not only in calcutta newspapers...Prem gave one link about a TV program) where he clearly states that he expects Dravid to succeed him. But the whole episode became murky after GC made those allegations. Half of them have been already found untrue about some of the other (like Laxman being ousted by SG) is also untrue given the fact that GC was the sole person to influence the team...so should we infer SG was right that GC wanted VVS out of the team?
    SG was given the task to build a team and given the chance I think 90% of this team will run through a wall for him still.
    He was asked to prove his form & fitness..he has proved both. I think whether he is selected should depend on whether RD & GC thinks he is certain to play...for asking him to sit out will create unecessary tension.
    But saying stuff like he has divided a team..which he has built himself is stupid.

    By Blogger DDirector, at 17:22  

  • ddirector...Forget who scored what..Fact of the matter is that everyone in the team is comfortable with RD (or so it seems)..The team again seems one..
    With SG the truth is that the team seemed divided and disrupted..whether he was the cause of it or whether GC was or someone else..a moot point now..GC is here to stay for 6 mths to 1 year at the very least..
    What I am hoping for is a settled team for that time period...6 mths to 1 year and RD seems the best bet for that..
    Getting SG back in will not HELP the team!

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 17:33  

  • GC allegation 1 : SG has faked arm problem.
    Fact 1 : Gloster advised rest for SG for grade 1 tennis elbow

    GC allegation 2 : SG wanted VVS out.
    Fact 2 : VVS was out even after great performance in Challenger and SG was not there.

    GC allegation 3 : SG changes batting order frequently to upset players
    Fact 3 : we all know now about the experimenter in chief.

    GC allegation 4: SG changes team at last moment

    Fact 4 : RD /GC combine do not give out team composition till the last moment. at least SG time team used to be kind of known.

    GC allegation 5 : SG wants Kaif out
    Fact 5 : SG fought to bring Kaif into team and Kaif is out of team even now!!

    Now fact from GC's email:
    "The next day I enquired with a number of the players as to what they had thought of Sourav's retirement. The universal response was that it was 'just Sourav' as they recounted a list of times when Sourav had suffered from mystery injuries that usually disappeared as quickly as they had come."

    This act was being done by a coach in collusion with the players??

    By Blogger SS, at 17:35  

  • and ddirector..no one is taking away SG's contribution in building the team...he WAS the best captain India has ever had..But the time for him has gone and he should gracefully accept it..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 17:36  

  • ss..all of that is water under the bridge..lets look ahead now at Rahul Dravid and how he performs as captain with GC as the coach..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 17:37  

  • ss ..stats are but a piece of the picture, I agree and can be misleading.

    But you must be joking if you think that RD and Ganguly are even comparable right now.

    Joking ..or delusional like the Ganguly-"lovers"

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:58  

  • agree ..ilovecricket.

    Ganguly was great.
    He no longer is and should be kept out.

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:59  

  • More stats -

    This is for the period after the world-cup until now


    Matches - Runs - average - 100s - 50s
    46 1226 28.51 0 8
    59 2015 41.12 2 19

    Does Ganguly deserve a spot to even carry drinks on to the field?


    By Blogger Bala, at 18:07  

  • Predictably the Ganguly-"lovers" will say...how come Sehwag is still in the team.

    Well Sehwag's record sucks exactly as badly as Ganguly (both average 28 and change). But take a look at the bowling stats -

    Matches - wickets - bowling avg - catches
    46 6 73.16 15
    56 28 38.96 24

    In short man for man, Sehwag picks himself before Ganguly

    By Blogger Bala, at 18:13  

  • Bala..My problem against SG is not his performance (although that sucks too)..It is the fact that he brings by his very personality an element of disruption in the team. That same personality (brash, manipulative,protective of his clique,aggressive) which helped make him India's greatest captain will now be counterproductive to the Indian Team if SG comes in as a player. Add to that the fact that he does not get along with GC and that there are players in the team indebted to him...I feel he will prove to be a very unsettling influence. While he may yet come into form (everything is possible), that fact alone does not negate the disadvantages that he brings to the team. Not all things, in my opinion, can be based on performance, runs, centuries, wins etc..The other factors like team spirit, cohesion etc are very important and RD needs all the support that he can get to make his captaincy successful. Bring SG back is not one of them..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 18:17  

  • ilovecricket,
    How did you come to the conclusion that the team looked divided and disrupted under SG? If the GC episode hasn't happened, would you have said the same thing? I doubt it because I haven't seen anyone claiming that before that episode. If other players who were supposed to be in the SG camp can still play for India and contribute, I don't think why it should be any different for SG. He was asked to prove his form and fitness and he did exactly that. Now to suggest that we should keep him out because he's disturbing influence in the team which he himself has built is a bit too much. I haven't seen you or anyone else suggesting that we should replace GC because many players had issues with him. Then everyone was happy to call those players lazy and put the entire blame on a bunch of players while chosing to trust one single individual who has taken over the team two months back!!! If GC can still work with them, so can SG. You can't just ask for someone's career to be finished based on some unproven accusations. Period.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 18:50  

  • GUYS ..... Can any body log on to the sporting streams web site. Looks like the guys have done a david laine ... the vanishing trick ....

    By Blogger indCric, at 19:13  

  • Dadagiri..IMHO..as I have said before...I am not going into whether it is GC's or SG's or anybody else's fault. However I do agree with you that the team has started to really look disrupted only after GC's tenure started..(whether that was due to the fact that GC started the disruption or SG did or somewhere in between - it is water under the bridge)...I do not agree with you that SG can come back and work with RD/GC and the team harmoniously. I do not WISH SG back in the team.
    I do not claim to be a seer and have foreknowledge of what will happen..but that is my considered opinion. I think this blog is not meant to write only proven facts..it allows for opinions..I understand that your opinion differs from mine and I am quite comfortable with it...I now understand why so many opinions in this blog start with the letters IMHO..and I have started this comment with the same four letters..:-)

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 19:49  

  • @bala...now u r talking bout 2 yrs of stat, then lets go back another couple of years and compare.I guess,RD wud rather need to carry the drinks fro SG.If u think scoring 10,000 one day runs doesn't prove anyone's class,then I'm sorry to say dude,go and get a life. SG doesn't need to prove anything to walk into the Indian one day team.

    By Blogger back2grave, at 20:10  

  • All these IMHO are ok, but ultimately in the form of OPINION, you are passing judgement on someone's character. It is different than saying something like IMO, this team should play or something of that sort. If I make a personal comment about you or your character and add an IMHO in front of it, will it be ok with you?

    Will it be ok if I do the same about another player and add an IMHO before that? People will surely ask why I am saying so. SG has led the team for 5 long years and never once had any problem with any player. Remember the old days of Sunny-Bedi, Sunny-Kapil etc.? Even a Sidhu cut short his England trip under Azhar's captaincy. So to say that SG will be a disturbing influence in the dressing room just because you feel that way is unwarranted. If you had said that both GC and SG may find it umcomfortable after what had happened, I would have understood your pov. But why put all the blame of SG's shoulders? What's the basis of your opinion? Does SG has any past history of not getting along with his teammates?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 20:25  

  • Its shocking to see that bloggers here do not even hesitate to blame SG for the alleged the divisiveness in the team. GC has written something to the board does not mean we have to believe in those innuendos. Has it been investigated? Has it been corroborated by anybody? So, why has it become a national obsession to pull SG to the dirt? Why on earth somebody has registered a hate website to defame a national captain who has played cricket with pride and passion? Did we see a similar uproar against MA for giving away games to the bookies? Its one thing to dislike someone for whatever reason since we all are biased in our own way. But, its preposterous to see most of the bloggers here *hate* Ganguly for all the ills in Indian cricket. For whatever he has done, right or wrong, SG needs to be shown some respect for his contribution to team. May be he is past his prime now. but, even in his hay days he was disliked by most. Honestly, I do not get it, where this hatred stems from....

    By Blogger dapolice, at 20:36  

  • Bala et al SG non-lovers(!!),
    It is surprising to see that everyone is singing a different tune the moment GC is in and SG is out. this is the same team that was supposed to be doing fine under SG, one team etc. Why don't we stop for a moment and think what is in it for GC? GC has every bit to win if he can get SG out of the team, hook or by crook. He can then establish a reign of fearfulness in every young players minds and win over RD who has been posturing for captaincy for too long. This is easy politics and we have embraced this with open arms. SG led from the fron both in Australia and in World Cup. How many captains do have that kind of guts? Not RD...he has not even called SG after he scored a century etc. And yes, Tendu called. that is why he is above the pettiness.

    By Blogger SS, at 21:12  

  • sigh...Dadagiri..BTW in case you did not notice I did say that 'SG has been the best Indian captain ever.'..I am trying to be pragmatic here..what I am saying is that for the GOOD of the Indian Cricket team...give GC and RD 6 months to 1 year...
    I am also saying that SG coming in will be disruptive...take it as you like it...or not..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 21:23  

  • yeah back2grave -

    Why don't you go back 10 years...
    Dude..he might have done great things in the past, but that does not win matches now.

    Go get some cricketing sense

    By Blogger Bala, at 21:32  

  • Folks, you do not need great averages to remain as a captain. ll you need is good cricketing sense, leadership and some performance to add to it.

    There have been number of occasions around the world including the current England Cricket team, where the captain is not doing as he used to do, but nevertheless they are happy with his overall leadership. For us, the captain need to bat bowl and dance in every match!!

    GC did things in great style. He uprooted the first barrier to his own position in the first play itself, and he has a copuple of willing senior assistants too!!

    By Blogger SS, at 21:38  

  • @back2grave

    "I guess,RD wud rather need to carry the drinks fro SG."

    Before you unleash your "guesses" on everyone else, check your facts.

    Go back two years and this is what you get


    Matches - Runs - avg - 100s-50s
    116 3746 35.67 6 24
    122 3918 43.53 3 33

    There is an adage that it is better to shut your mouth and let people think that you are a fool than open it and remove all doubt about it.

    Reflect on it.

    By Blogger Bala, at 21:39  

  • "he has not even called SG after he scored a century etc. And yes, Tendu called. that is why he is above the pettiness."

    And ss which wire-tap did that info come from?

    By Blogger Bala, at 21:41  

  • @ILovecricket
    yea..it's always like this..kicking a person who is down is always easy. And yet for all your allegations what you have is a email supposed to be written by a guy whose own moral(remember underarm) as also coaching credentials(remember australian province's performance) are not very shiny. And now you say SG will be a disruptive influence...why coz he is a better leader than Dravid? (for if not so Dravid should have got the captaincy 1st up in 2000..for by then Dravid had got back into ODIs)
    That reminds me Bala since you are so fond of pulling up statistics..do you remember Dravid getting dropped from ODIs for 1 and a half seasons??? And even as recent as 2001 he was simply persisted on because he could double up as a keeper? The Mongias, Badanis & Srirams were kept out not because Ganguly didnt want another fellow left hander but because Dravid could fill in 2 roles.
    To Dravid's credit he repaid that faith and started making runs at a decent pace for ODIs. But just maligning a person for the sake of it, without whose contribution Indian cricket could never have seen the dawn after match fixing.

    Dravid may yet make a good captain..but for that you dont need to sacrifice the best captain India has ever had.

    By Blogger DDirector, at 22:10  

  • "Bala since you are so fond of pulling up statistics..do you remember Dravid getting dropped from ODIs for 1 and a half seasons??? And even as recent as 2001 he was simply persisted on because he could double up as a keeper? "

    I do..precisely.
    What utility does Ganguly bring for him not to be dropped?

    By Blogger Bala, at 22:22  

  • ddirector...let me ask you a question..say SG is selected in the ODI team on Friday ...come the 3rd ODI..RD makes SG the 12th man..what would your reaction be to that?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:30  

  • ddirector..let me make that question a bit clearer...suppose RD does not select SG for the game...then what would be your reaction?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:33  

  • @ ilovecricket

    there are two scenarios by which an uncomfortable situations can be effectively handled.

    1. selectors have a word with GC/RD and ascertain their plans regardibg SG (they are supposed to be in the selection meeting although officially they have no say) if SG is in their plans (i doubt it) select him if not leave him out.

    2. they select him anyway then RD/GC can have a personal chat with SG and resolve matters to a workable sloution. this has happened a number of times in any team game than you can think of. even bhupathi and paes partner each other in davis cup ties and win matches. they are professionals and should be able to deal with it.

    in a way it is happening with the so called 'dissenters' in the team anyway.
    also SG by showing his keeness has to some extent shown interest in joining the team although he knows he is not going to be the captain. so from his point of view he has already reconciled to the fact that he has to play under RD.

    i must add that i am in no way advocating his selection, merely answering your question.

    By Blogger inoc, at 22:45  

  • inoc..If RD and GC feel that SG should not be in the playing 12 for all 7 matches do you think SG will accept it calmly? Just curious..My reading is that he will not..What do you feel?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:49  

  • well probably only 5 matches if he is selected on Friday..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:49  

  • say for the sake of argument..he does accept it with equaminity..Do you think his very voluble supporters will accept the situation with equaminity? No..they will insinuate that RD and GC are trying to keep SG out deliberately..
    Which is what my concern is...It is a disruptive influence to the team now..and I do not wamt it to happen..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:55  

  • i said it is for the selectors to go and discuss it with RD/GC. he is then just not selected. that he is dropped considering that he was not considered because of injury and not actually dropped in the first place.
    he may not take it well but he is not in a position to do anything about it.
    so he may rant and rave at the injustice of it all but will just have to wait his chance again.
    i doubt that this is going to be the scenario though.

    By Blogger inoc, at 22:56  

  • i didnt get your last point if he not in the side how can he be disruptive?
    supporters can say what they want it is free country but there are people to do job rightfully or not, capable or not i dont know but their decision is what we have to go by.

    By Blogger inoc, at 22:58  

  • and if you are alluding to JD here then all i have to say is that if JD was that powerful that he is capable of doing anything for SG then he would have got rid of GC and also got RD to be makeshift captain. he is not all powerful like we think he is and he also has to keep everybody else happy and look after himself.

    By Blogger inoc, at 23:04  

  • @Bala
    If selected and given a chance he would bring the same qualities that a batsman with over 10000 runs and 22 centuries and experience of leading a country for 5 years ought to bring.
    Insinuating that Ganguly will be a bad influence is simply bull. Leave the Chappell email aside (coz more than half of its content has already been seen to be incorrect) and show me one episode where any cricketer has said that Ganguly causes disharmony in any side.
    The big hullaballoo was that he isnt scoring runs and he was asked to prove his mettle by going back to domestic cricket. He did that with aplomb. So now this disruptive thing comes up. It is as bull a statement as saying Dravid is afraid that he will lose the captaincy (which he clearly cherishes) if Ganguly plays well once selected.
    Going by the logic goin here...I guess there should be no place for a former captain in any team. As soon as you lose captaincy, you should quit.

    By Blogger DDirector, at 23:27  

  • @ILoveCricket

    I dont think RD will do that if Ganguly is selected.If they dont want him in his 11, he would talk to SG and tell him so.
    And about my reaction: I want my country to do well and win...doesnt matter who plays....but I can't see a person's character maligned and imaginary ruses brought out just to fulfill personal likes/dislikes.

    On another note..saw a few entries here which talked about ppl wanting India to lose (evidently referring to ppl supporting SG)..I guess thats as low as ppl can get questioning other people's patriotism. Evidently these accusers were the most prominent ones who wanted (and still wants) SG to fail in that Duleep Trophy match and would again if he is selected for the 3rd odi. Talk about double standards!!

    By Blogger DDirector, at 23:37  

  • ddirector...well we agree on one thing at least..we want India to do well...cheers to that...mate!

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 00:08  

  • For the guys who are jumping on SG, on medical advice he rested his arm / elbow that SRT took 4 months after the knife, scored 100 at par when all and sundry bit the dust on tricky wicket (or you guys assume that wicket eases only when SG at the crease and dud bowling from one VRV and Bhandari who were at Brim / fringe of playing), where as paradoxically SJ plays only as half player (now bowling) after the freak injury and gets out at short cover after a 20 / 30, discard SG and take the Rainas and Raos, include YS and MK, WC07 may not be a disaster but can neither be matchwinning.

    If SRT can come back and play to score 93 of 96, SG is also as good as he on ODI from strike rate perspective and potential to club sixes at will. Compare that with YS against quality spin. If SRT has got 4 years on cricketing merit, so does SG another 2 years upto WC07 again on same cricketing merit. If SG as a batsman failed in home series against Pak, again SRT (read GOD) failed in the same series. Dude(s)grow up on sensing cricketing merit. SG deserves a recall. Period

    By Blogger papugopu, at 01:04  

  • For the guys who are jumping on SG, on medical advice he rested his arm / elbow that SRT took 4 months after the knife, scored 100 at par when all and sundry bit the dust on tricky wicket (or you guys assume that wicket eases only when SG at the crease and dud bowling from one VRV and Bhandari who were at Brim / fringe of playing), where as paradoxically SJ plays only as half player (now bowling) after the freak injury and gets out at short cover after a 20 / 30, discard SG and take the Rainas and Raos, include YS and MK, WC07 may not be a disaster but can neither be matchwinning.

    If SRT can come back and play to score 93 of 96, SG is also as good as he on ODI from strike rate perspective and potential to club sixes at will. Compare that with YS against quality spin. If SRT has got 4 years on cricketing merit, so does SG another 2 years upto WC07 again on same cricketing merit. If SG as a batsman failed in home series against Pak, again SRT (read GOD) failed in the same series. Dude(s)grow up on sensing cricketing merit. SG deserves a recall. Period

    By Blogger papugopu, at 01:04  

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