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Friday, October 07, 2005

On my way out the door

*sigh* Here we go again. The Telegraph's well-placed source has the text of Saurav Ganguly's rebuttal of the charges relating to his elbow issues in Mutare, that Greg Chappell in his email had interpreted as an unwillingness to play the new ball.
You know what I am thinking? I'm thinking, accusations were made. They were rebutted. The board president, speaking for the review committee, rendered the verdict: No truth in the charges.
Further, the review committee ruled, and both gents agreed, to put the whole thing behind them, and move on "for the betterment of Indian cricket". And then this -- on the day it is officially pronounced that SG has tennis elbow, we have the 'well placed source' coming up with the alternate version of the Mutare story. So much for moving on.
This whole 'inside source' thing is becoming incredibly comical, if you think about it. Remember the review committee meeting? According to Mahindra, Saurav came with a point by point rebuttal, nicely written out over six pages. He brought with him six copies, so all six members of the committee could read in tandem.
At the end of the exercise, Mahindra sententiously declared, the committee members gave their copies back to Ganguly 'to make sure there are no more leaks'.
Really? So explain this leak, then. And while you are about it, Mahindra-saab, explain what you intend to do about the repeated flouting of your own gag order, by all and sundry. On second thoughts, don't bother -- the answer to that, in one word, is 'nothing'.
In any case, if anyone out there had, in a fit of insane optimism, actually figured that the central players in the drama would in fact bury the past and move on, here you go -- proof positive it ain't going to happen.
Very frankly, I find this entire charade pathetic. None of this were needed, had the board the guts to do the right thing: Call for a full, complete inquiry into all that happened. If the coach lied, get rid of him immediately (and don't waffle on about contracts and such; firstly, no contract is protection against deliberate, malicious deceit; secondly, if it comes to that, the Board has enough money to pay the whole amount of the contract in one shot and terminate it -- might involve cutting down on those 'miscellaneous expenses' a bit, but not enough to impact on your lifestyle). And if it turns out that the captain was guilty as charged, get rid of him.
Either way, the BCCI needed to resolve the issue, once and for all time; by forcing the two to stay in bed together, the board has merely ensured that instead of one big, cleansing controversy, we will be inundated, in little driblets, with many mini controversies.
I won't complain, though -- after all, what has been done was for the "betterment of Indian cricket", and who doesn't want that?
Am off, guys, for the weekend. See you Monday.

31 Comments:

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    By Blogger Johnny Canuck, at 19:43  

  • you know what...i couldnt give a shit about this GC and SG affair and if the marriage has gone sour. I'd like to put all their problems in the back seat and focus on taking the team forward. All I want is results and there is no satisfaction in cricket than India winning. So if the team keeps on winning from now on, all this rebuttals and what not will be all done n dusted or people wouldn't just care.

    Too much analysis has already been done and the media should just shut the fuck up and let the game continue.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 19:57  

  • GO WHITE SOX!!!! Greetings from Chicago.. wooo hooo.

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:05  

  • Prem:

    Isn't monday a holiday (columbus day)? Do you work on holidays!!

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 20:20  

  • Prem,

    There are reports that Sachin was offered the India Sr's captaincy for the challengers but he refused..When GC around Captaincy is not easy I guess!

    There are reports about GC's Business Interest in India… motives? .. the real picture will be out in coming months.

    Where is your Friend Faisal ? He was good in digging up facts with his methods of investigation. Will he come back to Rediff ?

    By Blogger PODI, at 20:48  

  • Ruchir - Its holiday only in eastern part I believe. ATleast in Texas its a working day

    By Blogger J, at 21:16  

  • lol what harm did columbus do to texas?

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 21:41  

  • Looking fwd to the Challengers and nothing more. Dont care who the captain or coach are. Just hope that a couple of youngsters give such good performances that the cannot be overlooked, at least for the ODIs. And since most of India's matches are in the subcontinent, the newcomers wouldnt need to adjust to foreign conditions and state their claim for a permanent position in this team.

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:59  

  • My reliable source tells me that his reliable source has become very unreliable....he came to know through a reliable source....

    bah!

    By Blogger cartan, at 22:10  

  • Prem,

    This isn't the first time that the text of of SG's mail has found its way in a press report, is it? So could it be conceivably possible that the material was already there and the reporter filed a story when certain sections of it became viable for a another related story?

    As for the Board President doing 'nothing' about the various reports, I guess you have either missed [or didn't want to notice] the media reports about the Board sending off strong letters of reprimand to everyone who has been issuing statements. Then there was that bit about Nair going to meet Yuvraj Singh, the caution handed out to Amitabh Chaudhary. You may think this is nothing but, to me, it seems like that the decision is being followed up [though not through the media] and statements from the Board officials also indicate that the loopholes woul be tightened in the new version of the contracts. But I guess if one is looking for public denunciations and executions, all this just wouldn't be enough.

    Also, was wondering just where RSM stated that all 6 copies were returned to SG. I know that this particular fact has been reported but none of the reports attribute the statement to the Board President. Also was wondering why you are suddenly demanding an explanation for the leak when you have, in the last few weeks, been posting links [and comments] on SG defying the ban. [Mind you, I still haven't seen the original DH article of the interview he had given but excerpts from the letter have been floating around].

    Also, I don't have Tehelka subscription but if you, or someone else here does, there seems to be a report about who leaked the email. The journalist whom it was leaked too has apparently ruled out most of the recepients.

    The link is here.

    By Blogger Ritu, at 00:18  

  • The Telegraph article reports part of GC's onslaught, "I was so concerned about the effect that Sourav’s actions were having on the team that I decided I could not wait until the selection meeting that evening to inform him that I had serious doubts about picking him for the first Test."

    Prem, didn't we hear before that GC was asked by SG where he should bat and GC gave him an honest opinion. Now there seems to be a contradiction here. What really happened?

    If GC really said what is reported in today's telegraph, didn't he go beyond his authority? Does an Indian cricket coach have the power to pick the team and bench the captain, who was picked by the selectors for the entire series?

    By Blogger bouncer, at 00:40  

  • bouncer...dude...where were you...this is an excerpt from the original GC email...didn't you read it? Many *such* contradictions there mate.

    And as for this leak....well yes it would have been good if nothing was leaked to media....there were just some insinuations etc....and then BCCI would have held a close door meeting from which all could have come out smiling saying media got it wrong...and that there were just some minor misunderstandings.

    But since that didn't happen...and since there were so many reports and leaks and interviews....we got to know much more than hints and celever deductions from some journalists. Therefore, such new pieces of information are part of the same pandora box opened by the first such action. If we liked and *used* that .....then would have to *live* with this as well. Ofcourse we can chose to ignore and get on with life....wait for real cricket to begin (as I bet most of the players, and maybe even coach, are doing...and thats what matters as far as the real cricket is concerned)

    As for the contents of this latest leak(for those of you who have had patience to read it)...sure telegraph did a dhamaka by getting it in verbatim...but the conclusion from this, anyways, was well known since yesterday....that GC got the injury part of his accusations horribly wrong. And since GC had used this accusation to form another one...that is SG avoided the new ball by faking injury....hence that one was also,by corollary, equally wrong.

    Probably the bit of *new* information coming out here is that RD was also aware of the *fact* behind some of these issues....and if indeed that is the case, and RD has also read GC's email, then he won't be very comfortable with that either.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:14  

  • worma:

    that GC got the injury part of his accusations horribly wrong.

    Dude, you think GC got the injury part wrong, huh? Consider this:

    Most of the ODIs were played in Harare, arguably the biggest city in ZIM. Surely there would have been at least one MRI center there. Why did SG not have your elbow scanned there? GC says that SG resisted *comprehensive investigations*. It looks true when we see the fact that SG did not have his elbow scanned in Harare inspite of having problems, wearing RD's elbow-band and having MRI facilities available (possibly). Keep in mind that SG said in his reply that he played entire ODI series in pain. So, after this *painful* confession from him, his handling of his own injury look highly suspicious to me.

    I don't know about you, since you don't seem to find any fault in SG apart from the fact that he is *slightly* out of batting form.

    You think most of the players and coach would ignore his antics and concentrate on real cricket? That's laughable. If, in your team at your work, there was a guy who was playing politics with everyone, would you ever forget about him? Would you feel comfortable having him with you? You are saying that you would turn a blind eye to his politicking and just concentrate on your work without fearing that he would be planning somthing against you? If you were the team lead you would just let the guy do his politics and turn a blind eye to him. Right?

    Dude, why do you go to such lengths to push everything against SG under the carpet? What are you afraid of? That truth will come out?

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 09:08  

  • Prem...Would it not serve better purpose if you could influence rediff to move out yr column "Is Greg a liar?".Has been there for a wee bit too long and is now sounding jarring

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 09:34  

  • SG-GC mahayidd as rediff aptly puts it is far from over...leaks here and there...journos blocks from zones (PP excluded- you are one of those rare breeds)will try to slaveg some hearsay and amke a story quoting ' relaible source'...basically, the sage will continue...we live in soap operas..this is a marathon in the making.

    As Harsha wrote, when will we see Sachin bat...and cricket will be just the way it is supposed to be played within the boundary lines rather than outside...we are digressing as usual...latest news is SG made the captain of East Zone and VVS immediately made captain of SZ..i am wondering what happened to RD in this experimentation, projection or drama?

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 09:39  

  • ruchir:

    >>Most of the ODIs were played in Harare, arguably the biggest city in ZIM. Surely there would have been at least one MRI center there. Why did SG not have your elbow scanned there?

    Do you know Gloster's view on this? No you dont. Maybe he said that since that immediate pain was over (remember nowhere is it said that he played in constant pain) now it can be done in India. Maybe he didn't say that...or maybe he did. Why assume anything?

    G>>C says that SG resisted *comprehensive investigations*. It looks true when we see the fact that SG did not have his elbow scanned in Harare inspite of having problems, wearing RD's elbow-band and having MRI facilities available (possibly).

    Ok, we now have the result of a 'comprehensive' investigation. What does it say? Ofcourse you can say that everyone except you and GC are part of a big conspiracy and shut your eyes.

    >>Keep in mind that SG said in his reply that he played entire ODI series in pain. So, after this *painful* confession from him, his handling of his own injury look highly suspicious to me.

    It doesnt matter what it 'looks' like. Either he has the injury, or he doesnt. Either all of them (except GC) are lying, or they are not. Because now, with all the tests, results, opinions etc....there is hardly any scope for what it 'looks' like and 'feels' like. You either believe in those people who are saying he has an injury, or you dont. And no he didn NOT say he played in pain right throughout. He said he had the pain since the ODI series. You can assume he had pain throughout....or you can try to see the sentence carefully. Additionall, you can decide to be a doctor, or you can listen to inoc's opinions (check out your other thread from yesterday) who is a doctor and has treated such injuries. And btw, he also said, if I am getting it right, that he feels SG is finished as a batsman (or something to this effect. Sorry inoc if I have misread). So its not 'another SG apologist'

    >>I don't know about you, since you don't seem to find any fault in SG apart from the fact that he is *slightly* out of batting form.

    I find lots of faults with SG as a batsman and as a captain. We have discussed those many times....and you can check it from old threads. And I would be glad if you point out where I said he is "...*slightly* out of batting form..."

    >>You think most of the players and coach would ignore his antics and concentrate on real cricket? That's laughable.

    What players???....and what antics? So far it has looked liked GC with the 'antics' part to me. And yes you can laugh, or alternatively you can show reasons behind your statements.

    >>If, in your team at your work, there was a guy who was playing politics with everyone, would you ever forget about him?

    No, I probably wont. But in my team noone *is* playing politics. My manager is sometimes writing false reports...thats all ;-)

    >>Would you feel comfortable having him with you? You are saying that you would turn a blind eye to his politicking and just concentrate on your work without fearing that he would be planning somthing against you? If you were the team lead you would just let the guy do his politics and turn a blind eye to him. Right?

    As I said...no I wont. But its not happening in my team..except the manager lying sometimes in his report. But then, since I cannot do anything against it in the short term...and I also dont know whether the manager is good or not(since he is new) so I am willing to take it in my stride for a while...and focus on the main aspects of my work. Happy?

    >>Dude, why do you go to such lengths to push everything against SG under the carpet?

    Again, I would be more than happy if you can point out a *single* issue that I have tried to push under the carpet. Otherwise please refrain from making sweeping personal statements.

    >>What are you afraid of? That truth will come out?

    If *this* is what is all you have left in favour of your arguments in this particular debate...then I can just probably sit back and wait...

    By Blogger worma, at 10:04  

  • It would have been better if Ganguly had spent his time and energy proving GC wrong by focusing on cricket. Score runs heavily, win the odis rather than playing this dirty game.

    By Blogger rk, at 10:33  

  • worma:

    Do you know Gloster's view on this? No you dont.

    Why don't we know Gloster's views? You know the reason - he was not called in the meeting. If SG wanted, he would have forced Gloster to come to the review meeting and testify in his favor (or against). Why did that not happen? You will agree that SG has enough clout with JD to make that happen. Since it did not happen, it raises suspicion as to why proper proofs were not made available in the meeting.


    Ofcourse you can say that everyone except you and GC are part of a big conspiracy and shut your eyes.

    Did you read a report in Rediff today? BCCI refuted another report that said that Ganguly did not want to play in the Challanger trophy, so he made Gloster and Dr. Joshi give the mild tennis elbow symptom statement. Remember, his clout with JD? Now, I can expect you to trash this other report as figment of imagination or conspiracy theory. Of course, after every thing settels, it will not matter much if SG is ready to play the Test series agasint SL, missing the ODIs completely.


    And no he didn NOT say he played in pain right throughout.

    Apparently you don't read SG's statements good enough, or you don't want to read them good? Here is what he said in his rebuttal - I had this pain in my elbow right from the one-day series itself and John Gloster was treating me throughout. It is plain, simple and clear that he played the entire ODI series in *pain*. So why did he not get MRI done in Harare?? Please read the statements correctly before saying that I am making assumptions. I don't know if *inoc* is a doctor or not. After claiming to see evidence for everything, you seem to take inoc's words very easily. How convinient!!! Even I can claim to be a doctor, would you believe me??. I went thru tons or web sites on Tennis Elbow and in *not single one of them* did I read that Tennis Elbow pain, at any stage, would go away. Every site says that Tennis Elbow pain is a constant pain that goes away only when the condition goes away. Hell, SRT still feels pain; even 4 months after the surgery. So, I will believe those hundreds or web sites, not inoc. According to SG himself, he played enitre ODIs in pain but did not get MRI done. This supports GC's claim that he was *resisting investigations*. Why was he doing that???? Do you know??


    What players???....and what antics? So far it has looked liked GC with the 'antics' part to me.

    Players = Indian team players. Antics = SG's politics. And thru SG's rebuttal, he himself is making GC's claims look correct instead of wrong.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 10:42  

  • Ruchir,

    You had spoken too early about Ganguly faking his injury. JG's examination has proved you wrong. You had to eat crow yesterday, but of course you did not like it. The arguments you put forward now seem to be based more on faith than on logic.

    "And thru SG's rebuttal, he himself is making GC's claims look correct instead of wrong"

    How so?

    By Blogger bouncer, at 10:57  

  • Ruchir, worma for god's sake why dont you discuss about pearle harbour or atom bomb dropped on Japan?

    By Blogger J, at 11:01  

  • ruchir

    >>Why don't we know Gloster's views? You know the reason - he was not called in the meeting. If SG wanted, he would have forced Gloster to come to the review meeting and testify in his favor (or against).

    You seem to overestimate what SG can and cannot do. Heck if SG had so much power he could have made GC look like a liar and got him thrown out of the door. Anyways....whether it was in his power to call Gloster or not doesnt matter. What we *dont* know is what Gloster thinks. And just because Gloster wasnt there, you assume he was against SG? How very convenient. Then why didnt SG call up that 'camp' of players who were supporting him to speak against GC?

    >>Why did that not happen? You will agree that SG has enough clout with JD to make that happen. Since it did not happen, it raises suspicion as to why proper proofs were not made available in the meeting.

    Dude all proper proofs were made available in the meeting...including Gloster's report. Just because we dont see it doesnt mean they were not there. And if you think the entire committee was favouring SG, then whats the point of having proofs anyways? If they were not favouring SG, then apparently they were satisfied with whatever SG had to say?
    Ofcourse you can say that everyone except you and GC are part of a big conspiracy and shut your eyes.

    >>Did you read a report in Rediff today? BCCI refuted another report that said that Ganguly did not want to play in the Challanger trophy, so he made Gloster and Dr. Joshi give the mild tennis elbow symptom statement. Remember, his clout with JD? Now, I can expect you to trash this other report as figment of imagination or conspiracy theory.

    No, dont trash it. Keep it in mind. Now none of us have seen these reports which are being referred to...so we dont know what is exactly mentioned in them. But bottom line is, as i said earlier, he is either injured or not. And you have to take the words of those experts or not. If you dont...then I cannot give any more arguments...since the basis of all of this is that SG has been 'proven' to be unfit by the experts. Btw...read more from Dr Joshi in the same rediff report. (for others, its this one)

    And as far as media reports are concerned, there are enough reports biased towards either side of this argument. Therefore, I read each one of them...and keep them in mind....but not blindly believe the 'opinion' part in any one of them. Except the 'info' part. And the quotes.

    >>Of course, after every thing settels, it will not matter much if SG is ready to play the Test series agasint SL, missing the ODIs completely.

    I dont get this one, how would it not matter?

    >>Apparently you don't read SG's statements good enough, or you don't want to read them good? Here is what he said in his rebuttal - I had this pain in my elbow right from the one-day series itself and John Gloster was treating me throughout. It is plain, simple and clear that he played the entire ODI series in *pain*.

    Plain and simple to you dude. I've had a pain in my left shoulder since *that* day 5 years back. Does that mean I've been in pain *all the time* ? And anyways...I did refer to this in my earlier comment also. Whatever was the status of the injury...it was his+Gloster's call. And I dont care what the hell they decided after coming back to Harare. What I know is that he *has* an injury, as proven in the last couple of days. Unless we believe in this massive conspiracy theory that the whole world is lying.

    >>So why did he not get MRI done in Harare?? Please read the statements correctly before saying that I am making assumptions.

    As I said...I dont care what he+Gloster decided after coming back from Bulawayo. They could have decided to give it a skip till reaching India. Or not. Bottom line...its the same group of people now agreeing that he is injured.

    >>I don't know if *inoc* is a doctor or not. After claiming to see evidence for everything, you seem to take inoc's words very easily. How convinient!!!

    Yes I do seem to agree with his opinion because he claims to be a doctor, and expressed his knowledge about the issue with some authority. Ofcourse anyone on this forum can be lying. But since we dont have an agenda, and we are all anonymous to each other, atleast I am going by the assumption that we are here for just a civilised debate without any hidden agenda.

    And what 'evidence' are you referring to?


    >>Even I can claim to be a doctor, would you believe me??.

    Yes if you speak with some authority about medical issues, I would believe you. After all, what do I have to loose? Its not like I'm alterting my own treatment based on your or inoc's opinion!

    >>I went thru tons or web sites on Tennis Elbow and in *not single one of them* did I read that Tennis Elbow pain, at any stage, would go away. Every site says that Tennis Elbow pain is a constant pain that goes away only when the condition goes away.

    I dont care what the websits write. The medical subject has too many individual nuances to go by generic knowledge on websites...thats what I have learnt by my own experience. And anyways....as i said...in this argument, I am not even concerned with what tennis elbow feels like. All I have to say is that GC said SG is faking it, and he probably has no proof of it. While SG, on the other hand, seems to have given enough info in favour of his case.

    >>Hell, SRT still feels pain; even 4 months after the surgery. So, I will believe those hundreds or web sites, not inoc.

    ruchir, I pointed out in the very first day of this new debate on SG's injury...and probably to you too. Dont compare SG as of now with SRT in the last few months. SG seems to be in a very initial stage of the ailment (if indeed he has it) while you are comparing him with SRT now? What about SRT before the Holland cup (which is the first time he pulled out due to this)?? did he feel the pain constantly at that time? can you show me the reports from that time?

    >>According to SG himself, he played enitre ODIs in pain but did not get MRI done. This supports GC's claim that he was *resisting investigations*. Why was he doing that???? Do you know??

    No I dont know, except the fact that many concerned people are saying he wanted to get a scan done at one point of time, in Zim. And then he *has* got it done here in India. And *has* been found to be inured. Thats enough for me to know, as far as SG's injury is concerend.

    >>Players = Indian team players. Antics = SG's politics.

    What politics? Tell me something not written by GC in an email which is, atleast in some parts, proven to be fiction.

    >>And thru SG's rebuttal, he himself is making GC's claims look correct instead of wrong.

    What rebuttal from SG? The one he presented in the committee? How is that making GC look correct? GC had some allegations, he came out with clarifications. What else should he have done (whether he was guilty or not)?

    By Blogger worma, at 11:27  

  • j..so you think Japan faked it?? ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:28  

  • ..and btw....this is what Gloster has to say about SG

    ‘‘Ganguly’s injury is a mild form of tennis elbow,’’ Gloster said. It is the same injury that kept Sachin Tendulkar out of cricket for almost a year but Gloster was reassuring. ‘‘The tennis elbow has been detected at a very early stage’’, he said, adding that the consequences would not be as serious as in Sachin’s case.


    Gloster and Dr Joshi also felt that dealing with Tendulkar’s elbow had left them better equipped to handle Ganguly’s injury.

    The physio chronicled the saga of Sourav’s elbow. The trouble, he said, had started at the beginning of India’s tour of Zimbabwe. The pain was mild at the early stages till he was hit on the spot during the warm-up match in Mutare. That’s the incident referred to by Greg Chappell in his e-mail to the BCCI, which prompted Ganguly to walk out retired hurt.


    read the full article here

    By Blogger worma, at 11:45  

  • i think the clolours of Chappel are slowly showing out. The same Gloster now says of Sauravs injury and he was the same same person whom Chappel used as reference saying that SG has faked it

    To hell with this White chappel. He made a mess of Indian Cricket.

    Captains come and Go. SG is not the first and last nor he is going to be for ever. If he do not bat in the coming series he would deffinitely go for himself. This GC has unnecessarily has complicated the issue and in a way helped to mobilise the opinions of 'For" SG faction

    Finally i laugh and laugh very cynically at people who say GC is a professional.

    By Blogger vijaykumar, at 12:01  

  • Now GC has to be thankful to the BCCI for imposing the gag order. At least he is spared from having to go on record and render an apology.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 12:09  

  • Found a post on other messgae board.

    Author: zaphod_beeblebrox
    Date: 27-09-05 23:36

    BTW, amidst all the chest-beating abt GC's LYING ways, one thing nobody checked on... The story about SCG not doing an MRI on his allegedly injured elbow in mutare and bulawayo, because both those cities DON'T HAVE AN MRI FACILITY.

    guess nobody bothered to ask the locals or they would have directed them to BAINES IMAGING GROUP's MRI facility in downtown Bulawayo. but that would have meant a clean MRI blowing his cover, wouldnt it?

    By Blogger P K, at 12:39  

  • "but that would have meant a clean MRI blowing his cover"

    Here we go again. Conspiracy buffs come out out of the woodworks .

    By Blogger bouncer, at 12:46  

  • Not my post ...an old post .Check the date.
    But the point is as BOLDED by me is the MRI centre.

    By Blogger P K, at 12:49  

  • PK, wonderful investigative stuff...
    I searched the net and found these 4 hospitals in Mutare. I even tried to call them (what is a few dollars compared to juicy gossip). I am not getting thru...I hope some journalist can do this...here we go...
    1)Mutare Provincial Hospital, PO Box 30, Mutare, Zimbabwe Tel: +263 20 64321.
    2)Sakubva District Hospital, Box 3039, Paulington, Mutare, Zimbabwe Tel: +263 20 64204.
    3)Marange Rural Hospital, PO Odzi, Zimbabwe.
    4)Bonda Mission Hospital, Box T7903, Mutare, Zimbabwe.

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 13:44  

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