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Tuesday, October 04, 2005

Open thread

Seems like a quiet day, so will leave this thread open for you guys -- for links, comments, queries, whatever. And will come back in later in my evening, to respond if/where necessary. You guys have a good day meanwhile.

106 Comments:

  • Isnt it a shame that Irani Trophy was not televised. I think once BCCI gets serious and starts televising domestic cricket, the public will be aware of who all perform consistently. That would in turn mean that selectors would be under pressure to pick players who have been performing.

    By Blogger Thirdman, at 12:23  

  • what a slow day for cricket- nothing really to talk about

    By Blogger suraj, at 12:54  

  • Suraj, lets talk about nothing then

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:10  

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    By Blogger worma, at 13:21  

  • Is anybody aware apart from Willow.tv any other site boroadcasting ?

    I know Teluguone and streaming options showed few matches, but am just looking if i can get anything more resonable ?
    Links from tamilaudiovideo.tamilar.org never worked for me, and ended up wasting lot of time there in the past.
    I am looking for individuals who are getting the matchies and streaming out to reliable folks ?

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:24  

  • 'Australia', and 'underdogs' in the same cricketing sentence (here)...WOW...when was the last time that happened?...not even the recent Ind series....and not sure if we would see that again...not even next Ashes I think

    They appear relaxed about an assignment that a year ago appeared to be a formality, but now has quickly marked them as eager underdogs.

    But...are they really 'underdogs' ??...esp in ODIs??....except for that b'desh blip...I dont think they did much wrong even in Eng tour. I mean....even Flintoff vs Gilchrist kind of targetting can hardly be planned in ODIs....and Aus are well in control of their game...

    By Blogger worma, at 13:25  

  • A Joke:

    Once a divorce case was being settled in court and the Judge asked the little kid of the couple, "Little boy, would you like to stay with your father!"

    The kid said, "No he beats me everyday!"

    The judge asked him, "So you want to stay with your mother?"

    He replied, "No! She also beats me!"

    Now the judge got a little confused and asked the boy sternly, "Well who do you want to stay with in that case?"

    The kid answered, "I want to stay with the Indian Cricket Team, because it never beats anyone."

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 13:26  

  • worma: i guess the aussies r the underdogs because of the # of players they r blooding. the world xi on the other hand is full of big names (besides srt). though we won't see flintoff vs. gilchrist like we saw in the ashes, the aussies have struggled to match the english resurgence in the ODIs too. the first series between them was a tie and they won the second one in the finals... their performance in the 1 days was also not to their liking. the ashes defeat just rubs it in...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 13:28  

  • Worma, Anybody calling the Aus team 'Underdogs' is doing so at their own peril. Agreed, they have some ageing cricketers. Agreed that their batsman collectively failed in the Ashes. However, going by one series loss (and that too a tightly contested series) is a little too much.

    Coming to ODIs, the deal is on a given day any team could win or lose. I wouldnt be surprised if World XI beats them in all the matches. These guys have no pressure at all, but, Aus team will be under microscope. It is a fickle sort of a game anyway.

    Actually, I am a little disappointed with Gilly (my hero). He has been failing consistently. Unlike Indian team management, the Aussies may not put up with this slump for too long...I feel sad for him. Hope he comes out of this slump soon. Cricket without Gilly does not seem acceptable. Poor Damien as well...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 13:30  

  • @RJoshi
    They beat the optimism out of every desi cricket fan :-)
    Better one though !

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:30  

  • mayur...what news players dude....their Eng ODI team had Hayden(who was failing repeatedly) and Gillespie(again same)...and still they were good....ok not at peak....so here they have people replacing those non-performers...they can only get better from there on...

    and greg: yeah aging and all is ok to comment in the long term...but McG wont suddenly stop being a mean bowler...or Gilchrist a top batsman (didnt be click in the ODI series in Eng?)

    ...I still see this Aus team as formidable in ODIs....most of them were in good nick..and their entire core is still there(except the non-performers)...

    By Blogger worma, at 13:34  

  • I think the Aussies see this as some sort of a launch pad for the season ahead. And Clark getting a game might be good. They have to find replacements for Kasper and Gillespie anyhow.
    I am not so sure about Katich opening the batting though.

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:35  

  • oops news = new

    By Blogger worma, at 13:36  

  • and the umpiring issue is also interesting to watch out in this series....i didn't realise that even the no-ball calls can be referred!..just read it...this is amazing...and shud be fun to watch..but doesnt that defeat the purpose of no-ball (which was supposed to be a free hit for the batsman....long long time ago :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:40  

  • and what the F is this! n case of lbws, umpires can not only seek a ruling on where the ball pitched, but also obtain valuable feedback in determining the height of the ball and if there was a nick. However, the third umpire will have to make up his mind by watching only the television replay and not by using Hawkeye, the ball-tracking technology that is widely used by television channels. ....it seems that the third ump would have to decide the lbw referrals *without* using hawkeye???

    By Blogger worma, at 13:42  

  • Is super Series available to watch on Internet?
    Which site? What cost? In case of multiple sites, which one is a better one.

    Thanks..

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 13:42  

  • ..ok go read this umpiring aspect yourself guys(in case you have missed)..this is weird....load of nonsense here

    By Blogger worma, at 13:44  

  • http://web.mid-day.com/sports/international/2005/october/120198.htm

    an interview

    By Blogger tombaan, at 13:46  

  • Suraj and toney

    If you are familiar with Samuel Beckette, the Irish / French writer in his famous Play, Waiting for Godot, begins with 'Nothing is to be done"

    Winner of Nobel Proze, also has written a lot about Nothingness.

    We do need a day like this from time - quite, non violent.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 13:46  

  • Simon Jones completely ruled out of Pak tour...just heard on tv

    By Blogger worma, at 13:51  

  • While enjoying a guest stint at Middlesex, Clark, who troubles batsmen with his 197cm height and seam movement, was called up as a replacement for the Ashes Tour. A child of Indian parents who met in England, he wants to be the chief executive of New South Wales Cricket when he grows up.

    this is on stuart clarke thought it would be nice to know an indian so close to breaking into aussie team

    By Blogger tombaan, at 13:51  

  • cricktip,
    very true, the last statement. Unfortunately, there's lots to do at work :(, else we could have attempted to write some more on nothingness. But yes, a quiet day like this seems a nice change from the very passionate discussions we have all been having for some time

    tombaan, where did you get that news from? Clark is of INdian origin? I thought his photos suggested a caucasian descent...

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:55  

  • tombaan..where did you read that?..you do mean he is fully Indian...right?..whats with the name?...even 197cm height is fishy ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:57  

  • Pankaj Tripathi,
    Try www.sportingstreams.com

    By Blogger Dementor, at 13:57  

  • I am having tough time fitting Kallis in the line up for WX1.
    I can swap him with Peterson, but want Pete to come up the order as Dravid would be at other end :). Lara may not like me :)

    SS: Afridi

    1. Sangakkara
    2. Sehwag
    3. Dravid
    4. Pietersen
    5. Lara
    6. Flintoff
    7. Kallis
    8. Pollock
    9. Akhtar
    10.Murli
    11.Vetorri

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:58  

  • anyone knows how parthiv kept in the Irani trophy match ? I prefer him to Dinesh Kartik ....

    By Blogger MM, at 13:59  

  • Thx Dementor

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:59  

  • yes, everybody...it is true. Jones is out of the Pakistan tour. The Pakis can breathe easier now. BBC says that Jones will undergo surgery but it remains to be seen whether he will recover in time for tour of India.

    As regards to the used of Hawkeye...I am ok with that. Hawkeye is overrated in my opinion.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 14:00  

  • jiet, why do you think hawk eye is over rated? It gives the right info anyhow

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:03  

  • jiet..then without hawkeye why do you expect the tv ump to be able to decide on lbw....i thought the camera angles distorted all that..no?

    By Blogger worma, at 14:03  

  • worma
    that is from cricket info been trying to find more ...dont have it. yeah he seems like an indian maybe goan...or indian christian like roger binny...

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:04  

  • that umpiring article doesnt say whether for lbw, they will show the 3 lines for the wickets... to show where the ball pitched.. I wud think that important for the umpire to know..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:05  

  • mm

    patel shouldnot be even seen around the indian team for atleast next 15 years...

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:05  

  • any info on what to do on winning the toss at the Telstra Dome?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:08  

  • The pitch: Morning reports said that the ROW team has 3 spinners to take advt of the slow pitch. But I read somewhere that, witht he flurry of sporting and other activities in this stadium, a drop-in pitch will be used and that it'll be fast and bouncy. That'll be fun.
    I still think battng first should be the aim.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:13  

  • tombaan - come on... parthiv was blooded too early but i think he may have improved his keeping. he is a classical batsman and actually i will not be surprised if he made the team just on his batting credentials. Kartik is also a pretty good bat but definitely does not have the same fluency as parthiv

    By Blogger MM, at 14:14  

  • jiet:

    Hawkeye is a pretty accurate software. It is actually an off-shoot of a military software that was used to monitor a missle and do 2 things:

    1. Back-track it's path and find its point of origin so that the launching pad can be destroyed.
    2. Forward-track its current path to see where it is going to hit.

    What Hawkeye did is use the forward-tracking part and mix it with a 3D image of the pitch so that height of the ball can be tracked with repect to hieght of wickets. The calculation of height of the delivery was the new innovation in Hawkeye.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:17  

  • patel is a result of politics in indian cricket that he was walked into the team withou playing no national tournament
    as for battiing really so he you think he should take dhoni or is it kaifs spot as a pure batsmen...look at his performance in the national after his fall from grace

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:17  

  • jiet,
    In addition, HawkEye was found to be 100% accurate, whenever it was able to formulate a prediction. I think it is a great tool.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:19  

  • Also, cant understand the logic of vesting the 3rd umpire with more respnsibilites if he cannot make use of the available technology. He'll be making the same guesses as we do, in marginal decisions.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:20  

  • First-class 53 74 14 1835 129 30.58 3801 48.27 1 12

    this is patels first class career and doesnot seem great shakes to walk in a batsmen really...

    29 43 4 1224 122 31.38 2 7

    the above is karthik
    and now this is dhoni so if karthik fails on batting alone make your pick
    First-class 34 56 3 1948 128 36.75 3 12 99 14
    List A 63 61 11 2297 148 45.93 7 12 74 15

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:22  

  • tombaan....leaving aside that pure batsman issue...what this does tell me is that as soon as there is visible improvement in Patel's keeping...he should get a chance back in the test team...

    By Blogger worma, at 14:27  

  • i dont think so. dhoni has a first stake at it if karthik is removed..patel can wait his turn

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:33  

  • Toney, Ruchir, Worma,
    The reason I don't want hawkeye to be used is that we have already seen commmentators describe how you cannot give the batsman out if it is grazing leg stump or if clips the bails from hawkeye's view. That will only create more issues in th future.

    I must admit that I was not aware that Hawkeye had been tested and proved ot be 100% accurate. It would be easier to use Hawkeye if that were the case.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 14:33  

  • I dont like this wonder boys...other than sachin most of them have failed and we are setting for more failure by taking a raina over dinesh mongai both for the team and for the players....people in their infinite wisdon thought patel was the next wonder boy and how many match did he blotch

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:34  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/220906.html

    interesting stats .....

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:35  

  • Stuart Clark is unlikely to break into the Australian lineup. However, in India, we are desperate for quality pace bowlers. Please, oh please, can somebody on the BCCI try to entice Clark to come play for India before he represents Australia. :-)
    Considering both his parents are Indian, according to Cricinfo profile, I think ICC rules would allow him to immediately represent India if he so chose. I wonder if the 4-year residency requirement applies even if he has not played for Australia? Wait, why am I even contemplating this- nobody within Indian cricket has the foresight to recruit. But think about it guys, with all the money and status Indian cricketers have these days, shouldn't there be a concerted effort to "steal" young prospects of Indian origin via the temptation of fame and fortune?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:39  

  • hey...we have zaheer and agarkar are you out of your mind we dont need him

    that reminds me of robin singh...how much he had to go through to get into indian team even thn azhar was pivotal in him breaking into indian one day team

    By Blogger tombaan, at 14:47  

  • BTW, its good that ZK and AA ( both SG's pets) are in the same team as SG. Now atleast the likes of VRV Singh and Bose can pepper SG with the short balls and see if he has learnt how to handle them in the past 3 weeks! You can bet ZK and AA would have few SG half volleys on the Off stump had they been playing opposite him.. This foresight from the selectors needs to be appluaded! Not that ZK and AA wont bowl half volleys otherwise..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:51  

  • that should be fed and not few SG...

    By Blogger Tiger, at 14:52  

  • From BBC message boards --
    If SG were to write his biography.. suggested names from FANS worldwide

    The best twelfth-man India never had
    That wonderful feeling - bouncer in my face
    Pitch it short
    Wish They were rubber balls
    how to get out off short deliveries
    Why did they ball so fast
    How to let ball go through legs while fielding
    Mere Miya, Dalmiya
    Thank you Mr Dalmiyah
    merit, cos im worth it
    Story of my life - Dalmiya's blessings
    Meri Dadagiri
    Prince of Dalmiya
    Dalmiya - The Godfather
    I'm a crying baby
    The odd couple - Bhajji and me

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:53  

  • jiet,
    I dont undderstand why commentators should say that a delivery grazing leg stump cannot be given out. There is not provision in the lbw rules which sttaes that the ball should hit the stump flush in the middle, right?
    And abt the 100% accuracy: this is how I remember reading it.
    In all cases where HE has been able to come to a conclusion, the results have been 100% accurate.
    There are situations (dont know how rare) where HE cannot come to a conclusion at all.
    So HE is 100% accurate and has very high reliability (close to 100 is my guess).

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:57  

  • tombaan,
    I agree Clark, himself, may not be anything special, but I was trying to make a larger point concerning recruitment. Every now and then a very talented youngster of Indian origin springs up within some other test-playing nation. Ramnaresh Sarwan, for instance, was very highly rated at a very young age. At age 16, he was already being talked about as a future West Indian captain. A player of his calibre could be recruited. Granted, many players will not come because they may have roots in their adopted country they wish not to upset, but some may be enticed. Imagine Alvin Kalicharran, Rohan Kanhai, Nasser Hussain all in an Indian uniform. While none of that may have been possible in the past, it is now. I am not advocating mass recruitment, but rather a concerted effort to take some of the most talented at a young age. The U-19 tours and World Cups are perfect opportunities to scout. Had this been the case in the past U-19 World Cup, who knows, a highly impressive young West Indian wicketkeeper Denesh Ramdin could be playing for India.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:58  

  • sahir
    Dont think your assessment of Nasser Hussein is very valid. He is too English to even think of playing for India. In any case, we have had better batsmen than him, so why bother.
    But sure, Kalicharan, Kanhai would have been very welcome.

    But how is this practical? Do you mean to say that as soon as we spot a youngster in foreign first class cricket, the BCCI scouts should go and purchase him? What if the guy was not good enough and is sidelined? In contrast, he may do well in a foregin team. For eg, a slightly above average spnner might make the SA or NZ side easily. But he'll find the going tougher in India.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:01  

  • toney,

    It's good enough for me if it is anywhere near 100% accurate. I wish I knew why the commentators have an issue with it. Even good ones say "you can't give that out".

    Based on what you say, I too, would go with Hawkeye.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 15:02  

  • gotta run...later everybody

    By Blogger Jiet, at 15:02  

  • worma:

    sorry it took me so long to get back to u but here it is. what i was saying was that despite the fact that the newcomers r replacing the non-performers, the fact is that they r blooding newbies against the best side in the world.

    just think of the phychological makeup of the aussie side when they started their english tour. they had the best possible bowling attack. they were on a high. now they r trying to find the correct combination with some new faces (white, bracken, katich and watson). mentally they r not where they were when they toured england. secondly, imo aussie batting struggled during the tour. despite centuries from RP and a last game century from AG their batting achievements were threadbare. i totally understand why RP said that they r the underdogs.

    By Blogger Mayur, at 15:04  

  • jiet, I think it was Thompson who wrote a long article on the cons of Hawk Eye. He effectively rubbished it. The sad part was, all the arguments were absolute rubbish. One of the cricinfo columnists actually wrote something in response too.
    There was this argument from Sidhu that if HEye was used, teams would consistently be all out for scores fo 80-100. Hey, if batsmen tend to play with their pads in line, then shouldnt they be given out? Unfortunately, I have a bowler's mentality when it comes to playing cricket, so maybe, I am making a bad call here.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:06  

  • toney,
    I agree Hussain would never have come, but some others may. You are right that the average spinner may make another international team, while he could not make the Indian team. But, that does not take into account possible world-class players that have the ability to make almost any team. I am not suggesting some sort of payoff. Simply provide the player a lucrative opportunity to come represent India U-19, India A, or India, whatever the case may be. Even today, West Indies ceetainly has two players that would likely walk into the Indian team, namely Ramnaresh Sarwan and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. Neither of these players came out of nowhere. They were prolific players at a very young age. Fast forward to today. Why not try and find the next Sarwan, Chanderpaul, etc. to at the very least add to the depth of Indian cricket. It certainly cannot hurt. If you swing and miss with certain players, that is simply part of the process. If you find even one or two world-class players willing to come that eventually pan out, then that would be considered a success.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 15:11  

  • sahir,
    Not arguing this player hunting concept. But I simply think, with proper training at the basic level (in schools) and a very good scouting team, we have enough resources to tap into, within the country. Sure, there'll be good talent outside, but isnt this the easier and more straightforward way?

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:17  

  • toney,
    I certainly am not advocating not tapping into talent within India. By all means, improve cricket within the country at the grassroots level. But, why can we not recruit as well? The larger the pool of quality players, the better it is.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 15:22  

  • Sahir - Considering the politics involved in selection matters, it would be too much to expect BCCI to go and recruit people from other countries.. For BCCI selection is a dole they hand out to various state associations in return for votes.. Now if they were to select a Sarwan, they lose one bargaining point.. call me cynical if you want, but just dont see BCCI ever doing anything of the sort. As Prem says, if something sounds sensible, trust BCCI not to act on it!

    By Blogger Tiger, at 15:22  

  • i wonder from where you get so much motivation to talk abt cricket. I am sure seeing india play is not one of them

    By Blogger Surendranath, at 15:23  

  • Chappell:

    :-D

    Man, they are funny titles.

    I can add a few:

    Chin Music
    Poking outside Off
    Nagma - Story of my life
    Kyonki main bouncer nahin Khelta
    Sourav - Dadaon ka Dada
    How to be a captain without playing well
    Devil in the blue dress
    Mother India, Father Dalmiya
    Courage!!???
    What's talent gotta do with it?
    I, me & Sourav
    Cricketpolitik
    Meri Kahani, LP Sahi ki Zubaani
    Surakshaa - How to escape Chappell and bouncers

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:23  

  • sahir, what I meant was, the BCCI should get its act together in terms of establishing such things before even thinking of what you said. In any case, chalking out a long term strategy of trying to steal foreign players will not go well with the rest of the countries as well as the ICC and I am sure, it wont be long before the criteria for such transfers makes it near to impossible.
    Finally, I am not sure players like Sarwan have any recent Indian links other than their names. They might live and socialize in Indian communities but these Indian communities have been in the different islands there for a number of generations. So I dare say, such players dont consider themselves to be INdians at all.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:29  

  • Toney
    An analogy as food for thought,
    Not sure if you are familiar with baseball within the United States, but if you are, the perennial powerhouses are full of pivotal players recruited from other teams, as opposed to home-grown within their minor league system. I recognize the analogy is not entirely appropriate considering their is no national identity present, and there is much more fluidity as far as player movement is concerned in a free-market enterprise. However, just from a business perspective, if you as the the CEO of a company have the opportunity to steal a rival company's latest blue-chipper, why wouldn't you?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 15:29  

  • sahir, tiger:

    let BCCI first make sure that they give justice to the talent currently present in india. even if they reach out to half the talented batsmen in india we wud be happy. bcci is way too busy in politics to go for international talent hunting...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 15:29  

  • sahir:

    comparing baseball teams in the US to BCCI team is like comparing apples to peanuts in terms of professionalism....

    By Blogger Mayur, at 15:31  

  • Sahir, such transfers are happening in India too. Bahutule and Munaf Patel moving to Maharashtra, Rayudu moving to AP etc.
    And these transfers (for money) have been there in soccer leagues all over the world.
    But as you said, not a perfect analogy for exactly the same reason you said.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:31  

  • Toney,
    You are right about the politics. The current administration does not have the foresight to implement any of my policies, but hopefully things can change and a more professional outfit can take charge.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 15:31  

  • mayur,
    BCCI might just think this is a great idea. After all, what better excuse to vacation in Male, the Carribeans, Fiji, Southa Africa etc.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:33  

  • Just to further enhance my point, I do not feel what I am recommending is that difficult to implement. Simply watch the U-19 World Cup, and if any players of Indian origin representing another country perform extremely well, provide them the opportunity for a transfer of allegiance.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 15:34  

  • More on the vacation excuse: Imagine Nair and Jaggu, sun bathing and sipping pina coladas on those gorgeous beaches...

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:35  

  • toney:

    I hope they have their chaddis on while they sun-bathe.....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 15:42  

  • mayur...agreed about the psychological issue...just saw a Ponting interview...said the same thing...that even in Aus people are 'expecting' them to loose (although that underdog statement came from Peter English in that article)...and also said that those in the team who are able to forget the Ashes thing can perform well..

    ..which is right largely...cos most of the ODI players were in good touch there (in Natwest series and challenge)..and even in Ashes...all of them except Gilchrist made runs...and Hussey and Symonds should boost up the team..

    ..anyways...6 more hours till we see the action...(actually impossible for me to see..horrible timing ;-))...catch you all later

    By Blogger worma, at 15:47  

  • worma, why is it difficult for you to see the matches? You mean the timings? Get some sleep now and then we'll meet during the match :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:49  

  • How can the man leading the sports in India, Mr.Mahendra, be so stupid? Is it not better for him to get his public speeches written by Mr.Dalmiya and would it not be good to have a spokesperson giving interviews om his behalf? Atleast, that would make some sense.

    Please refer this article, Selectors to decide on Ganguly

    Am not against Dalmiya or Ganguly, but the "wait and watch" policy of BCCI is only hurting Cricket in India.

    By Blogger Nilesh, at 15:49  

  • yeah toney...timing issue...lets see if I can surprise myself and catch the start :-)....

    By Blogger worma, at 15:54  

  • "Elbow injury may keep Ganguly out of Challenger"

    Any comments?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 16:11  

  • to those who said nasser was too english to possibly represent india let me remind you he was born in india (Triplicane, Madras) while the others (Shivnaraine Chanderpaul, Sarwan) were born in the Carribbean, in fact their families have been there since the last 200 years.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 16:15  

  • Ruchi, Nasser Hussain has an English mother (so does Vikram Solanki)...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 16:21  

  • ruchi shah,
    Nasser's father is Indian. I think they decided to move because his sister had some health issues.
    What I meant by him being too English is his snobbish attitude. And I think he was the one who commented negatively on the support that Indians and Pakistanis in England gave their teams. This shows where his loyalty lies. I have no problems with that, btw. Its his choice.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:31  

  • i would understand if he had an english mother and was born in england, to think of it west indians dont even acknowledge their indian roots, half of guyana is of indian origin, i m going at a tangent but i don't see the reason any player would want to play for india.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 16:33  

  • ruchi,
    I agree with you on that. I dont think any of the guys who emigrated or play for foreign teams actually think of themselves as Indian.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:36  

  • On a side-note, I'd just like to mention an article in the latest India Today, which reported that most of the team had read Chappell's e-mail in Zimbabwe, while one of them was monkeying around with the coach's computer. No specific time period is mentioned. Looks like the BCCI may have had prior warning, and especiallly Sourav Ganguly. Considering the delicate nature some of our players seem to cultivate, I find it hard to believe that none of them went running to Gavaskar, Shastri or even Harsha Bhogle or any of the media. Was this restraint on their part or was a informal gag order gag order broken by the infamous 'leak'? Sourav Ganguly must have had a lot of time to gather all his fitness reports. Speaking of Sourav, is anybody puzzled about why we haven't heard about any treatment/investigation about his elbow? No MRI has been reported, 'cause that would rate a headline all by itself today. Awfully strange, and very suspicious-not the behaviour of someone who believes he has a genuine problem! Ruchir Joshi's link( http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1251127.cms ) was the first time it's been raised, just as Ganguly is 'warned by the BCCI.
    Coincidence? Thoughts, anybody?

    By Blogger djlykan, at 16:53  

  • I hate to repeat myself - but if you look at overall performance over the last few years, Pankaj Dharmani is the one who should have been picked over D. Karthik or P. Patel - he has demonstrated year after year that he is head and shoulders above either of them. It is sheer irrationality or prejudice that keeps him from being given a chance to prove himself.

    By Blogger sunki, at 17:03  

  • Visitors will relish chance to kick Australia when they're down
    By Peter Roebuck
    October 5, 2005


    A chastened and changed Australian team confronts both the Rest of the World XI and its own future as the cricket season begins in Melbourne this afternoon. The recent setbacks suffered by Ricky Ponting's side add interest to occasions that might otherwise have depended entirely upon the inspiration of those involved.

    A year ago, half the Australian side could have commanded a place in a World XI. Now some cannot secure a spot in the national team. Not so long ago the Australia side could have been named a month in advance. Now the coach, captain and construction of the team are under scrutiny.

    Beyond question the visiting players will be keen to add to these woes. Previous World teams have produced some unforgettable cricket. Admittedly, Garry Sobers played most of it, in 1970 and 1971-72, but then he was the outstanding player of his time. Clearly, he was inspired by the company he was keeping and the liberation of not carrying the weight of national expectation.

    Here, too, the World have brought a brilliant array of batsmen and as strong a bowling line-up as can be mustered.

    Not that the idea of raising a side to challenge the incumbent champions has been universally welcomed. Of course, the English were against it. The guiding principle in these matters, though, is to suck it and see. Admittedly, that does not apply in every case - ponytails, nouvelle cuisine, little league baseball and The Young and the Restless count among things that can be rejected without a trial run. Everything else deserves a chance.

    Since the host nation holds top place in the rankings in the shorter version of the game, these three contests at Melbourne's Telstra Dome have a legitimacy arguably missing from the forthcoming "Test" match in Sydney.

    These matches must find a niche between exhibition matches and international meetings or else the idea will fade away. It may be trying to find ground that does not and cannot exist. Previous World XI tours and Kerry Packer's World Series are about the only occasions when cricket managed to retain intensity amid artifice. These contests had a context missing in this makeshift creation.

    To add weight to these engagements the authorities have decreed that they will count in the career records of the combatants. Hitherto the title of "Test" match has been reserved for matches between nations. It is a dubious move that will have the desired effect. As far as most players are concerned, matches not included in their records do not matter.

    Not that statistics are the only consideration. Players like to know when they must reach into themselves in search of their finer points (ironically, these are sometimes to be found on the surface). Among specialists, batting is not merely a matter of clouting around a lump of leather till a deaf-and-blind fellow in black daks raises his finger. Preparation is required. Batsmen are entitled to know whether to attempt a masterpiece or to be content with a potboiler.

    Besides awarding official status to these matches, the ICC also appointed a respected group of selectors to choose its side and decided to pay the players well for their services. Moreover, reporters have arrived from most corners of the cricketing globe. Manifestly, the matches will be closely followed. As much could have been told from the hubbub that greeted the announcement of the side, a fury otherwise reserved for Yorkshire committee meetings, the news that another New South Welshman has been chosen, and encounters between Sourav Ganguly and whoever happens to be India's coach.

    Since official status has been attached to the matches, the players will search for their best games. It might not be easy for Rahul Dravid to recapture the skill and stoicism seen on his last visit, or Brian Lara his majesty, or Jacques Kallis his measured classicism or Virender Sehwag his virtuoso demolitions. None has had much time to adjust to Australian conditions. Still, Dravid might build a partnership with Inzamam, or Lara with Kallis, a prospect to delight any follower of the game.

    Meanwhile, the Australians will be anxious to reassert themselves. As Ponting has pointed out, they have not lost a home series for a decade and remain top of the rankings. They are still the team to beat. It's just that the idea of beating them no longer seems as far-fetched. Australia need to harden their game and these matches present the ideal opportunity because the opposition is strong. For the first time in years, too, the Australians will be the underdogs, a role they may enjoy.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 17:06  

  • Tombaan and others, here is Dharmani's record. So case closed on comparison with Karthik and Patel. And for that matter Dhoni as well when it comes to First class figures.

    class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
    First-class 105 150 18 6963 305* 52.75 20 33 203 18
    List A 90 81 16 2483 95 38.20 0 18 83 18

    By Blogger sunki, at 17:11  

  • Toni/Ruchi, I don't know if you are pro or against guys like Nasser Hussain not being "Indian".

    Frankly, I am a bit amazed to see Asian kids born in this country (England) support India or Pakistan when they come to play cricket here.

    Guess their parents have not done a good job in explaining to them the difference between Culture and Country. No wonder they are confused...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 18:07  

  • "I am not going to say anything on the Challenger now,"....
    WOW !!! Guess who said that !!!

    Will he chickens out again ? my take here...bashers welcome...

    Consider you are him. You will surely ponder that what if Balaji / VRV / whoever gets me out early ? If you are a honest man, that question will surely pop up. You are also a smart man, so, you put a word of caution in the media to pave a safe exit route if needed...

    Mr.Captain. We dont care one way or the other..

    One good thing can come out of it is SRT may be offered captaincy of Seniors and may like it too !!! Wishful thinking, but, he is only one person I can think in the indian team who can take them to WC 2007...I can only hope...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 18:08  

  • Saurabh, never meant to take a stance on that subject. All I was saying was that Nasser Hussein doesnt consider himself one bit Indian. His comments make it obvious. The discussion was in relation to foreign born INdian origin guys playing for India.

    By Blogger Toney, at 18:33  

  • like i said Toney, I wasn't clear about your views..

    anyway, been a long day. it's nearly midnight and I need to be up for the game tomorrow.

    cheers...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 18:54  

  • Ganguly and Chappell show can't last
    By Mike Atherton
    (Filed: 02/10/2005)



    How would you feel if your newly- appointed boss called you physically lazy, scared, mentally unfit, and a discombobulator? If you knew what the word meant, you'd probably start looking for a new job. All right, Greg Chappell didn't exactly use the word discombobulate to describe Sourav Ganguly's antics in and around the Indian team, but that's exactly what he meant.

    In some ways it is hard not to feel some sympathy for Chappell over what has transpired during his opening months as India's coach. When Ganguly asked Chappell for an honest assessment of his captaincy on their recent tour of Zimbabwe, Ganguly should have known Chappell was brought up in a household where forthright opinion was passed around the breakfast table as freely as the salt and pepper.

    It was Ganguly who subsequently made their conversation known to the Indian media, in what can only have been an attempt to embarrass his new coach. Then, when Chappell expressed his views more fully in a private email (and what an e-mail it was!) to the Indian board, the e-mail was leaked, presumably by one of Ganguly's supporters.

    The episode highlights two dangers. The characters of the captain and coach have to be compatible: there is no point both wanting absolute control, which is why John Wright, Chappell's predecessor, stayed in the background while Ganguly, the Sun King of Indian cricket if ever there was one, flaunted his authority. It also suggests that it is dangerous to employ a former great cricketer as a coach, or chairman of selectors for that matter. Chappell has talked in the past week about his discomfort in the media frenzy, and that will always exist when a former great is brought in to sort things out. Ask Raymond Illingworth, or Ted Dexter or Peter May.

    Somehow, a compromise has been reached and both have agreed that they can work together for the good of Indian cricket. It is impossible to see how: captains and coaches can only work together if there exists a degree of mutual respect and so far Chappell and Ganguly make Raymond Illingworth and myself seem like lovers in comparison.

    The situation cannot last but there will be a lot of fun to be had while it does. From an English perspective it would be good if it did for another six months.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 19:03  

  • Elite force pose threat to Ponting
    By Simon Briggs
    (Filed: 04/10/2005)


    Series details



    Great dynasties, in sport as in history, have a way of imploding suddenly and spectacularly. Once the conquering stops, trivial weaknesses and buried feuds soon become magnified, opening up gaping cracks in the edifice. One can only wonder if this is the fate that awaits Australia over the next few months.

    Tomorrow's Super Series opener represents a fresh start for Ricky Ponting's men, but equally a fearsome challenge to match anything England threw at them during the Ashes encounters. At 2.15pm (5.15am BST) Australia will walk out to face the first Rest of the World team to be assembled in this country since 1978, when Kerry Packer's World Series revolutionised an ailing sport.

    Among the forces ranged against Australia are two names they would rather forget. Andrew Flintoff finished as man of the Ashes series, Kevin Pietersen as man of the Oval Test. Yet in terms of matches played, these Englishmen are the two most junior members of the World's one-day squad. They have just 111 caps between them, a mere bagatelle alongside the likes of Brian Lara (256) or Muttiah Muralitharan (247).

    Packer's first Rest of the World team were one of the greatest sides in history, featuring Barry and Viv Richards, Alan Knott, Tony Greig and Mike Procter. But this year's model is pretty handy too. There may be a roof on Melbourne's Telstra Dome, where the three-match series is to be contested, but there is no limit to what these players can achieve if their captain, Shaun Pollock, succeeds in uniting them.

    Should Australia overthrow their opponents in the one-dayers - plus the six-day Super Test in Sydney next week - they can justly claim to have put the recent travails behind them. But if they lose again, as seems eminently possible, how many changes will their selectors press for then?

    The bloodshed has already begun. Since the Australians made their stealthy journey home, the Ashes have become the Backlashes. When the teams for this Super Series were announced last week, Damien Martyn had gone missing from the Test side, and Matthew Hayden from the one-dayers, while there was no sign at all of pace bowlers Jason Gillespie and Michael Kasprowicz.

    Question marks also surround coach John Buchanan, who is due to face a Cricket Australia subcommittee this week to continue the inquest into the team's failings in England. The fact that Buchanan's contract is up for renewal at the end of the Super Series will add extra spice to the meeting.

    While Buchanan's fate hangs in the balance - and may even be decided by Australia's performance over the next fortnight - his employers at CA have already accepted the need for change in their coaching structure. They plan to emulate the England set-up, where a master strategist is supported by specialist batting and bowling coaches. It makes a pleasant change to find Australia cherry-picking ideas from English cricket, rather than the other way around.

    Duncan Fletcher, the England coach, is in Cape Town, having been overlooked for the Rest of the World post in favour of John Wright. Yet, like Shakespeare's ghost at the banquet, he will be present in spirit. Tim Boon, England's analyst, has been assisting Wright with his portfolio of video clips and tactics, and one suspects that Flintoff will be coming round the wicket again to Adam Gilchrist.

    The shape of tomorrow's Australian side is hard to decipher, particularly after a couple of injuries to fringe players Brad Hogg and Shaun Tait.

    The one thing they have promised is that Simon Katich will replace Hayden as Gilchrist's regular opening partner.

    This is a classic example of how random the search for scapegoats can be. A few weeks ago, Katich - who scored 70 more Ashes runs than Martyn and 70 fewer than Hayden - was being talked about as a potential discard himself. Instead he has been promoted to a key role in the one-day side - where he has been only a back-up before - and retained for the Test.

    Katich's guaranteed selection makes the batting look top-heavy. How are they going to get Martyn, Michael Clarke and Mike Hussey - their best batsman during the one-day campaign in England - into the same team? The answer is probably by playing Shane Watson as a supersub, as that bizarre and illogical rule has not yet been ditched by the bodgers at the International Cricket Council.

    Another contender for the role is Cameron White, Victoria's 22-year-old captain, who is expected to make his debut tomorrow. White bats No 6 for his state, bowls steady leg-spin, and has been tipped as a future Australia captain. If things go badly for Ponting over the next fortnight, that succession could come sooner than you think.

    Series details

    Australia (from): *R T Ponting, †A C Gilchrist, S M Katich, D R Martyn, M J Clarke, A Symonds, M E K Hussey, J R Hopes, C L White, S R Watson, B Lee, N W Bracken, G D McGrath, S R Clark.
    Rest of the World (from): *S M Pollock, †K C Sangakkara, V Sehwag, C H Gayle, B C Lara, J H Kallis, R Dravid, K P Pietersen, A Flintoff, Shahid Afridi, D L Vettori, M Ntini, M Muralitharan, Shoaib Akhtar.
    ICC Super Series one-day matches: Oct 5, 7 & 9 (all Melbourne).
    Super Test: Oct 14-19 (Sydney)

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 19:07  

  • TC & Ruchir,
    Really funny titles..Wah..Wah..

    Here are some more...
    - Sorrow Duckuly
    - flee that ball
    - I am furious when you are fast
    - With a Cluck Cluck here & a Cluck Cluck there...old ganguly had a bat..eeya eeya yoo...when they are fast he chickend out...eeya eeya yoo!!!
    - Dreams of the blue turtle
    - Gunguly mera naam...Politics mera kaam...
    - Who framed Rahul rabbit ?

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 19:27  

  • more...
    - Murder at the Minnow Land...
    - Namibia, I love you...
    - Saurav Ungainly
    - Bade Miya (JD)...Chote Miya (Me)

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 19:32  

  • ruchi shah,
    You said "[I] don't see the reason any player would want to play for [I]ndia."
    (in reference to any foreign player of Indian origin changing allegiance)

    The possibility of multimillion dollar endorsement deals? A lot more fame and fortune is available to cricketers in India. Although many negatives come along with that, it's funny how that one most important factor, MONEY, can entice just about anyone.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 19:33  

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    By Blogger sunki, at 21:04  

  • sahir, IMO that idea is more trouble than it's worth. Really, India already has more talent than it knows what to do with. If you want foreigners to play for India, probably the best way to go about it is to raise the salaries and coverage for first-class cricket, and then allow clubs to hire 1 or 2 foreign players. It's true that the West Indian quicks don't seem all that great nowadays, but wouldn't it be great to see a foreign quick bowler testing the ablity of our first-class batsmen to play pace?

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:31  

  • Anyone watching the SuperSeries... i just bought the dish package. This should be high-quality stuff!! thoughts?

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:46  

  • Looks like Ganguly has the "tennis elbow". Drama or reality? If he had failed in the challenger - he would have been dropped. now he may "select" himself for the SL/SA series after healingin a couple of weeks

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:50  

  • Aussies to bat!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:04  

  • I get this feeling that Gangs will announce his retirement due to "Tennis Elbow" after "Trying" to get treated for a few months. Sympathetic and honourable way to end his career.

    By Blogger Ravi, at 00:10  

  • the leg-spinning allrounders, white and afridi are the super-subs..

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 00:14  

  • good over from Shaoib.. and great 4from Gilly. This is going to be fun

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:23  

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