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Friday, October 21, 2005

Rahul on Saurav

Rather strange, that the premier domestic competition gets such short shrift in the media -- I've just spent a half hour trawling the net to try and find something substantive on the progress of the two games.
Read all the reports and frankly, with no intention to diss my colleagues in the media, the scoreboards are more eloquent, and more revealing, than their prose.
That situation is even worse when you consider the Saurav Ganguly innings -- to my mind, easily one of the most significant moments of play in recent times. Oh sure, it is domestic competition; sure, if a century is something to shout about then you need to shout about Wasim Jaffer's knock too... and so on.
But that is to miss the point completely -- this knock is not about runs scored, or about the nature of the attack those runs were scored against, or even about the domestic frame the knock was played in.
It is about whether a player who, at this point in his career, is finally and completely alone, seemingly shorn even of his staunchest defender, has the nous for a fight; whether he has in him the grit to hang tough, to make statements with his play, and to fight for what he believes is his right.
Given all this, why oh why do match reports on the East versus North game have so little by way of information -- and so much by way of platitudes? Sample this:
The Prince of Kolkata had earlier picked up two tail end wickets with his Golden Arm that was struck with mild symptoms of tennis elbow only a few days ago.

Doh! That's the sort of stuff court poets turn out, not cricket correspondents. Meanwhile, there is Rahul Bhattacharya -- who, on Cricinfo, frames the innings against the backdrop of all that has gone before, and gives some inkling of how Ganguly played.
Ganguly countered them with a superb innings from a tricky position. Good and bad, there was all of him here. He converted threes to twos with perfect earnestness. He was clunked on the head. He French-cut often enough. He also played strokes lesser talents can only dream of.

Sarandeep Singh was hoisted onto the shamiana, burnt on the side of his turban and dabbed past slip. Amit Mishra was cut repeatedly in front of square and once inside-outed. Off Amit Bhandari came the sweetest of drives on the rise. Gagandeep Singh, the standout bowler along with VRV, was pulled with something approaching glory.
On 86 Ganguly was dropped but by now he'd begun making room to hit through off. At quarter to twelve he reached a hundred, and his second fifty had come from 44 balls. Soon after lunch he was gone for he does not build big first-class innings. But remember that of the 20 players on either side, only one other pipped fifty in the first innings. Unsurprisingly, he didn't take the field for an hour after tea.

All of which dovetails into the conclusion:
It is high time that he, Dravid, the coach, the team, and indeed, the millions who follow Indian cricket, know exactly what the score is. It would be good to watch Ganguly bat well again. It would be good to see the Indian team happy again.

PS: Also from Cricinfo, this Siddhartha Vaidhyanathan bulettin on the East-North game that provides some detail (again, and inevitably, with Ganguly's knock hogging much of the space).


  • It was a good knock. It doesn't mean he will tear apart Vaas or Murali. Media just goes overboard, SG played in a Duleep trophy match atleast one dropped catch is reported. To me this innings does not indicate he is going to be a match winner for India.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 12:13  

  • Prem:

    Cricinfo has finally come up with a little detailed report of the Duleep trophy. As expected SG's play gets some of the detailed headlines, but there is some info in this article about the day's play.


    By Blogger kban1, at 12:14  

  • ganguly has to work a lot more to be in the indian team

    By Blogger tombaan, at 12:21  

  • Prem : "..seemingly shorn even of his staunchest defender.." - ohh no...not yet, boss ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:32  

  • When I saw the headline "Rahul on Sourav" I thought Dravid commented on Gangu's hundred. :-)

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 12:38  

  • worma: do note the 'seemingly'. My gut feel is, while the sentiment may not have died, the gent in question might reckon it is not politic, just now, to go out on a limb

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 12:42  

  • LOL...clever one that, Prem :-))..(still smiling)..very clever indeed!

    By Blogger worma, at 12:43  

  • ..there are certain questions to which only SG has an answer...thats why. I think. (*still* smiling)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:45  

  • Prem...u take on SG's chances of returnig to the team for the SL series

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 12:47  

  • I agree Ganguly has a long way to go to be back in form again. But it's a good start and shows what the guy is really made of. Has anyone noticed how Chappell keeps on saying that Sachin is back in form every second day? IMO, Sachin should have played the Duleep match, don't know who thought that it'll be better for him to attend the camp. He has already interacted with Chappell during the Challenger. What he needed was some match practise. Sachin can prove anyone wrong and nobody should have the last word on him, but I won't be surprised if Sachin fails in the first few ODIs due to lack of enough match practise.

    By Blogger Jai, at 12:47  

  • Ravi,
    My take is it'll depend on the fortunes of the team. If we manage to win even one of the ODIs and the top order clicks, then Ganguly will have to wait. Otherwise, Ganguly will be in. I am not too sure about our performance. Our top order looks rusty (incl. Dravid) and the bowling is inexperienced. Only Pathan and Harbhajan have some kind of experience. But they are hardly consistent like Vaas and Murali.

    By Blogger Jai, at 12:51  

  • Jeetan Patel foxing the Proteas...2 wickets already.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 12:52  

  • whats with SA here? from 84 for no loss to 110 for 6...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 13:04  

  • Full house though. Wonder if they'll take more time getting their cars out of the stadium than for watching the match

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:08  

  • lol toney...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 13:14  

  • SG has scored two centuries in the last three mathes he played. He should be in the ODI team from the 3rd match. Period.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 13:29  

  • A century is a century, isn't it? Say what you want, but just in case he had got a nought, the entire world would have come out with their drums beating the same sounds - Ganguly is finished.

    The converse I know is not true. Just because he scored a century does not mean he will be put back 'in his place' as the captain of the Indian test team and eventually the ODI team. But the knock says that he is strong enough (or if you are a cynic, then he paid the North Zone team off well) and is willing to fight back with his bat.

    But one thing is - whatever happened to his tennis elbow? And was he truly dropped or given a chance to 'rest his elbow'?

    By Blogger RPM, at 13:29  

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    By Blogger shiwesh, at 13:33  

  • @ shiwesh

    and what makes you a better expert than three doctors two of them employed by the bcci who have examined him seen the reports and pronounced that he indeed has symptoms of tennis elbow.

    By Blogger inoc, at 13:40  

  • Dude, If Ganguly had played the Challenger and got the runs, he wouldn't have missed out the first two ODIs. So why would he sit out and play Dupleep later? I see, he was scared of Shreesanth and Balaji. Who gives a chuck whether you believe him or not? I will anyday take a Paki fan than moronic idiotic Indian fans like you.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 13:42  

  • Arent we Indian the best hypocrites one day we hail a person the next day we go boo the same one. be it politics sports or anything if we dont see what we want to we use this. Please stop saying SG is better or worse. lets give him some space to see how he is performing over a period and dont rush to bring him to the team. It will have a bad effect on him as well on the team.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 13:42  

  • Shiwesh
    Do you think any one will give a damn to your statement here that no one will believe him. Dude you cant just fake injusries like that. Again we dont know what the circumstances were when GC complained abt SG So lets not jump to conclusions

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 13:45  

  • Thinking about SG's mentality (not going to extrapolate to other players here)- when he has his back to the wall and it is a case of perform or perish then he is able to play long centurion innings. What does that mean? That if he is motivated enough, he can succeed with the bat. So the question that begs to be asked is - why doesnt he perform well in Tests and ODIs off late? Either the bowling is of an altogether different standard. Or that the motivation to play for the country is missing - it is only the moolah that matters - and the moolah you anyway get as a team member whether you make a 0 or a 100. I would opt for the latter explanation though the first could also be true. When I read RB saying SG didnt bother to take the field after tea for one hour in the Duleep match it proves that it is definitely a case of self before the team (or that he was tired - which again begs a question on his fitness). All in all, I would say it is criminal to play a person who can if he wants hit a match winning innings but time and again doesnot do it either out of laziness or lack of motivation or whatever you call it.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 13:52  

  • Prema:

    There is one aspect that no one is commenting on yet and that is the Dravid-Tendulkar equation. ST had taken on the senior mentor role at the 3-day camp in the absence of RD. Now that SG is no longer captain and boss and RD is so low-key, will ST have a bigger say in things? SG may have consulted the senior players but always followed his own advice. How will RD approach this? If a team has several senior players none of whom are assertive will this lead to friction? This will be ineteresting to watch.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 13:55  

  • Ganguly has proved Chappel true that he makes fake injuries. Anybody who knows even a little of tenis elbow would know that it can not be recovered completely in just ten days. The extent of recovery is that he makes hundred and bowls comfortably. Ganguly is living only for himself. He is a liar. Nobody is going to believe on him anymore.

    To Sriram: dear why is it so that on each and every poll on any site or on TV channels we are getting more than 80% people against Ganguly? Don't you think 80% is large enough number? And what is so good about a person that in place of thinking about team we are always thinking about a particular person? Why any person like you or a newspaper like "Times of India" writes on taking two two tail ender wickets and on hitting 19 runs at the end of first day an article titled "Ganguly Shines" or any statement like "The Prince of Kolkata had earlier picked up two tail end wickets with his Golden Arm." What is so golden about his arm? If he could not prove himself in Zim tour why are we so excited about his century in domestic cricket? Why can't we wait and watch that has he really came back or not? And moreover he is not going to come back against good fast ball attack as that is not a problem of "form" but it is a problem of "class_against_fast ball" which has converted into even class problem against good spin bowling and even mental problem (remember he was not even able to figure out that he is bowled during pak-india test match last time.

    By Blogger shiwesh, at 13:57  

  • Gardhabh, your post definitely justifies your name.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:00  

  • Shewish I had answered why in my previous post. that because we are being hypocrites we dont use the same scale to everypone. not that i am in support of Sg all I am saying that we need to know the full side before we rush to conclusions. When the reporters are only looking for spice in their story (Sorry prem You and few others are exceptions)We cannot believe what comes out in the tabloids. off late The Indian journos only see and write what they want to and not what actually is. So lets be patient. Hey If Sg is back to his best Indian Team is going to gain if not we are surely not going to lose anything. So my take would be not to rush to conclusions. I think that what mature people will do Would you?

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:04  

  • Prem,
    If Sourav manages to stage a comeback as a batsman in the third ODI, what impact it will have on Dravid? won't he be having a feeling that sourav would always be gunning to regain the captaincy? won't it affect his concentration and his performance as a captain?

    By Blogger Krish, at 14:04  

  • Any moderators on this blog? Would like to refer bhairo singh for inappropriate, personal commenting.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:05  

  • Oh my here we go we have school kids out here bullying and complaining. Can we have some maturity out here.. Chill out guys no need to get personal

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:07  

  • krish
    My take would be it depends on who is at the helm of things at BCCI JD camp or the other( I am not sure what Sharad will Pawar will do after all he is a politician you see) camp

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:08  

  • Shiwesh,

    So if 80% of people polled feel certain way, they must be right. I will assume that it is not one of your best arguments against SG. In 2003, 80% of people in this country (US) wanted to invade Iraq. Do we need to say more?

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:13  

  • LOL Gardhabh. You made inappropriate personal comments on Ganguly which doesn't have any basis. First take those back.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:16  

  • gardabh..as far as I know this blog is 'unmoderated' in the sense you are implying :-)

    I would presume we are each over here for mature discussions (ok even frivolous discussions) but getting personal would not get a person too far...after all we're all 'anonymous' here....and, afterall, no-one can keep talking to oneself on such a forum?

    By Blogger worma, at 14:16  

  • If 10 people take part in voting and 8 vote against Ganguly, that will make the % 80. In reality it means 8 people voted against Ganguly.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:17  

  • Bouncer
    Toy are 100% right:) We need to shed this herd of sheep attitude( all the sheep follows on which strays). We have our brains lets use it and come to a conclusion. BTE If SG gets on of you(Bouncer) he will struggle its all in his mind

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:17  

  • Krish, How can Ganguly be gunning to regain the captaincy? There is a coach, a captain, seniors like Sachin and then there are selectors. What will Ganguly do other than perform to cement his place in the team that you can term as 'gunning for captaincy'?

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:20  

  • bhairo aingh,
    dont want to go further into this - but just fyi - SG's playing behavior as a national cricketer is in the public domain and speculation on the same cant be called getting personal.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:20  

  • Prem,

    Thts a very misleading and mischievious title..rolled in one..

    Why would any one not think Rahul stands for Rahul dravid…

    And I read thro all tht, thinking Dravid said something abt Ganguly after the century.

    Too bad, I dint expect this frm ya..

    Any way getting back to the Ganguly century and the responses…by various ppl in the know…

    It seems thts it has only created more ill blood amongst everyone..

    Chappell still doesn’t seem pleased with him and I'm beginning to think that he wouldn’t want ganguly, even if he morphs into a run making machine. Check his responses when someone asked him abt Ganguly getting into the team.

    Guess he will be hoping one of the youngsters in the team take the opportunity and score big., and atleast displace Ganguly from the ODI team.

    Wonder how things will work out for the test team now…
    With Dravid being made captain only for the ODI’s and not tests..
    And Ganguly having a creditable record as captain in tests, will anyone dare throw him out?

    The happenings during the SL odi series is gonna confirm that…
    And I feel SL is gonna take advantage of all this and slam bang us.

    I still feel Gangulys' return to the ODI team is gonna create more dramas. Unless ofcourse there is a miracle and we win the first 2 ODI’s hands down with sterling contributions in the middle order from V rao/ Raina.

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 14:21  

  • Sure it can be called 'getting personal' if you decide to 'speculate' without any facts and try to portray someone in a negative light.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:23  

  • ginko, where Chappell has reacted on Ganguly's century? I have missed that link. Can you share it?

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:25  

  • bhairo singh
    your reasoning justifies yr name.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:26  

  • Sriram,
    I agree. Sourav was spoiled by the undue backing he got from the JD camp. Otherwise he might not have been tempted to think that Captaincy is his birth-right. Hence his complacency resulting in non-performance.

    By Blogger Krish, at 14:27  

  • LOL. It's futile to explain your comments. So I won't even ask.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:28  

  • ginko
    No point in blaming for you taken for a ride. hey isnt that all our journos and tabloids do. If my guess is right Prem was just trying to make a point criticising his collegues sarcastically.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:29  

  • http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/oct/21sour.htm

    ther...thts the link on chappell abt ganguly

    By Blogger Ginkgo, at 14:33  

  • Is there a black flag fluttering at "Ihateganguly.com?"

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:35  

  • Precisely the hypocrisy I was talking aboput No where in that link GC said he did not want SG back. He has merely said its upto the selectors. Why do we read inbetween lines is that so it gives us so much pleasure looking at things they dont stand for?

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 14:36  

  • thanks ginko.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 14:37  

  • Ganguly is a minnow basher.. who denied that..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:57  

  • Oh come on tc, SG had to score a 100 in this and he did that. The rest are just minor details which should be overlooked. I am not a huge SG fan either but give credit where it is due.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:09  

  • Thanks Chappell, Grow up..

    By Blogger Poondu, at 16:32  

  • Another thing that was left out in the team selection for SL and SA series is appointing Sehwag as VC. Now they dont appoint VC's for home series, do they? wonder if its to effectively block out Ganguly's future return to captaincy or is this telling something else altogether ?

    By Blogger Raj Thambu, at 16:46  

  • Every up coming Indian fast bowler needs to go through the "Ganguly" test. If the guy is able to make Ganguly dance around and then get him out cheaply, then he can get a crack at the Indian side. Otherwise, he needs to develop himself some more. VRV and Gagandeep have work to do.

    By Blogger Vijay, at 16:54  

  • http://www.telegraphindia.com/1051022/asp/frontpage/story_5385544.asp

    Mongia comments on Ganguly's knock

    By Blogger bouncer, at 17:06  

  • Mongia dropped the catch .. is the same man whom SG dropped for LAX.. for world cup after all.. same guy.. who happen to be so pathetic but still get to captain domestic teams..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 18:13  

  • tc,

    Mongia said it was an exceptional, brilliant knock. And to you, it was not, right? And your explanation is Mongia said it because he was preferred over Lax by SG during WC. I see, you have it all squared away.

    Grow up, get a life, or do something.....

    By Blogger bouncer, at 18:27  

  • From Indian Express:

    "Indeed, the way Ganguly went after VRV Singh — who’d hit him on the helmet yesterday — was a revelation to those who believe he can’t handlle the short stuff."


    By Blogger Jai, at 18:27  

  • Brilliant!!! Ganguly proves his detractors wrong again by a glorius hundred against North Zone.

    Surely you cannot keep him out of the international arena for the next 6 months at least. How much more does he have to do???

    And those had a problem with his ability against short pitched bowling...what were you thinking?? He is brilliant against the short-pitched bowling.


    By Blogger Jiet, at 18:51  

  • I understand your pain dude, just bide your time. You will get your chance again to ridicule Ganguly.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 18:56  

  • Wow, Ganguly is back with a bang, nobody can ignore him anymore, can they? It will be good for him if he concentrates on his batting and bowling, and we will go through another phase of chopping and changing captians, before we settle with Kaif.
    Dravid will quickly be shouted at for his appalling form as captain, guys, watch the space!!!

    By Blogger laxani, at 19:18  

  • Worma - can you please tell me which article had this quote.
    "..seemingly shorn even of his staunchest defender.."

    By Blogger krish, at 22:45  


    By Blogger dapolice, at 01:18  

  • krish...that is a quote from Prem's post :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:04  

  • Prem,
    like you cannot measure Marilyn Monroe's beauty by 36-24-36.....it is futile trying to get hard statistics and technical nitty-gritty to measure the raw passion of Ganguly's batting. No doubt, he has his share of fan following!
    This is just one thing that you either sit and enjoy.....or live with it.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:56  

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