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Friday, October 28, 2005

Selectors retain same squad

This just in -- the national selectors have decided to go with the same squad for the next three ODIs. No change, which effectively means Saurav Ganguly remains, for now, out in the cold.
Intriguing -- but will refrain from comment, and keep an eye out for the first news reports, and sound bytes, to emerge.

132 Comments:

  • Prem..apparently Nair and More did not speak much except that they see no reason for a change at this stage. So not much to come out...until the reporters get the inside scoop a little later.

    Btw...the reasoning seems straightforward...doesnt it?...give the newcomers an extended stint....and now that SG is out(due to whatever combination or reasons) lets keep the status quo for a while....as anyway whatever they 'know' about SG's status in terms of form, fitness etc can be frozen as such...for a while

    By Blogger worma, at 12:02  

  • Thats good news, although most of us expected it, its nice to hear it from the selectors.

    Good chance for the members in the current squad to get more opportunities.

    By Blogger Vins, at 12:04  

  • This is good news...new guys Rao, Raina and Santh..will get more chances.

    In next ODI or on after that....India should rest seniors and allow new players to show their talent.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 12:06  

  • I do agree with that although I feel sorry for DADA. Anyways.. we cant determine the reason behind him being dropped without knowing full details...

    Well SG won Round 1 in the Review Comittee meeting
    But it seems GC has won the bout fully though.

    By Blogger Balaji, at 12:06  

  • Very interesting. It seems such a complete circle. Azhar was dropped a little before the match fixing controversy started propping up. Then, he was the most successful Indian captain (at least on paper). There was no hint of remorse with any of the team members when Azhar was dropped. I see a repeat of it now. Will Ganguly ever make a come back??? Personally i wish he does. But I suspect, all was not well in the dressing room - especially seeing any public statement in support of Ganguly. I'm sure there are reasons, but for a common man like me, I'm quite pained. Ganguly deserves better treatment. After all , he has such a wonderful one day record to back him up.

    By Blogger Sudhakar Govindarajan, at 12:06  

  • Chairman of selection committee Kiran More said the case of Ganguly was discussed at the meeting, which was attended by coach Greg Chappell and captain Rahul Dravid.

    By Blogger P K, at 12:11  

  • Prema:

    Two comments on the match today:

    1. The production was appalling. There were a lot of comments on the commentary (enough said about that so I will dwell on it) but none on the visuals. Just putting a lot of fancy graphics on the screen does not make a good cricket telecast. Field placements were rarely shown, the camera frequently dwelt on the crowd doing its usual crowd-y thing and sometimes on poetic scenes like the sun setting against the lights. Why don't these guys realize that field placings need to be shown at least twice an over?

    2. What is the point of appointing Sehwag as vice captain if he is not involved in any decision-making on the field? While RD frequently talked to ST Sehwag remained content to stand where he was. Why not appoint ST as vice captain? But maybe that would cause ego hassles.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 12:14  

  • Good news! at least on the face of it..Give RD some time to show us his mettle without the (potentially) disruptive influence of SG..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 12:15  

  • SG has no chance in the current state of things..as almost everyone is performing. this is by conventional wisdom.

    However, by conventional wisdom, if RD , SRT , VS go out of team due to injury and then prove fitness, does anyone discuss in whose place they will come back? SG never discussed such things. He always welcomed class players back into fold.

    This shows that SG was a better leader. RD will not loose a chance to stop SG's comeback, aided by GC. Under the Diwali dhamaka, India cricket's dark side is showing now.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:21  

  • hjrsingh, I noticed as well that sehwag didn't seem to be involved in the decision-making. wonder if he might feel snubbed by that.

    By Blogger roublen, at 12:23  

  • Alright - I know I am late to the party... BUT I am thrilled to see Tendulkar doing what he does best - intimidate bowlers! :)))) Viva la Sachin!

    By Blogger saum, at 12:27  

  • saum: i was just remarking to a friend that not only sachin but the whole indian team is starting to do something that the aussies do really well:
    don't just win. crush.
    :-)

    By Blogger dna, at 12:29  

  • ss..I thought the sun has finally come out on Indian Cricket?...However I do not care if the dark side is out in full force...AS LONG AS WE KEEP ON WINNING....

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 12:29  

  • HJRSINGH,
    Is there some reason why you address Prem as Prema in ur posts?

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 12:29  

  • From the CI article:
    More called the meeting, which was also attended by Rahul Dravid, the captain, and Greg Chappell a "good" one, and added, "We have been having discussions for the past two days.


    My note:
    Interesting that GC and RD were invited to the deliberations

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 12:30  

  • Sorry a bit off topic, but this is funny.

    Was just checking BOB Woolmer's website (wwww.bobwoolmer.com, which is excellent by the way) and came across these posts:

    ---------------------
    9933: PERPLEXED, (22 OCT 2005, 17H06:54)

    Dear Bob,
    Im feeling hopeless and I need your first hand experience which you have assimilated from different continents.
    There's this girl i like and i dont know how to tell her how i feel. The problem is that we hang out in different social circles and our college is defined by cliques and social barriers. I suppose id be in the "nerd" section and she'd be in the "in crowd". Im hoplessly in love with her and my feeling are very genuine. She is a great person and i really think we could hit it off if somehow she could realize that i exist. I dont know how to handle this. Please help.
    ----------------------------------
    REPLY BY: BOB, (23 Oct 2005, 00h16:23)
    Hi perplexed,
    This is a cricket site!!!!
    Bob


    and later...

    PERPLEXED, (23 OCT 2005, 09H34:52)

    bob i know this is cricket site, i am not stupid.

    but you are only white person i know and this girl is white so please advise.

    ------------------------
    REPLY BY: BOB, (24 Oct 2005, 01h22:47)
    Hi perplexed,
    COME ON !!!!


    ---------------------------

    Some guys are beyond hope...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 12:30  

  • holysmoke, hjrsingh had a girlfriend called prema and was using her name sub-socnsciously. U just reminded him now!! :(

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 12:30  

  • Hi prem,
    u need to explain Harish Kotien how supersub works.Once earlier this season(dono which match) when opp were 9 down he criticised ganguli for not allowing pathan to rest and use supersub for him.(inning took hardly 10 min after that)

    This is what he wrote today.....

    ""India could have well opted to use Agarkar for his spell of ten overs and then had him replaced by Super sub Sreesanth, who could have exploited the helpful conditions, but they chose not to.""

    Later again....

    "Such was India's domination that they did not need to use Super sub Sreesanth, who could have been called in at some stage to take advantage of the helpful conditions."

    By Blogger MAHER, at 12:33  

  • saurabh LMAO :))

    By Blogger worma, at 12:34  

  • dna: the last 2 games definitely seem a la aussie style. really enjoying it while it lasts... but the super late nights are making my work day a total mess! thank god its friday!

    Sachin is simply great... :)

    By Blogger saum, at 12:34  

  • ilovecricket,
    No doubt this a good moment and we have not seen such good moments for the last few months...but this looks very fishy when they do not call back SG. As if they are trying to prove that we can do without SG and we are trying our best to prove that. For that matter, every now and while, there have been patches when India won without SRT or RD or VS or VVS performing. What is appaling is the way everyone is going to disprove SG!!!

    By Blogger SS, at 12:34  

  • LOL @ Saurabh... :)

    By Blogger saum, at 12:35  

  • so now two things r possible: RD and GC do not want SG back in the team and secondly they want to give the youngsters a fair chance in the middle... i think it is a combination of both... it makes sense that these players (SR, VR and GG) shud have 20-25 games under their belt... that mean SG has to sit out... i am just curious if MK returns, is VR going to be dropped or has MK injured himself at the wrong time...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 12:35  

  • mayur MK has to get fit, play a domestic game etc....enough time...I'm sure Rao will get chance to play till then

    By Blogger worma, at 12:37  

  • worma: if u remember yesterday, we talked about this issue and i think MK will not have to go through the duleep trophy game... this is just what i think... he might be selected directly...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 12:39  

  • On a different note, it was nice to see RD and SRT hug and bond after the game. Clearly, they have a lot of respect and affection for each other

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 12:40  

  • interesting..
    "However, it has been reliably learnt that on this occasion there really was no dissenting voice to the suggestion from captain and coach that the same squad be retained for the next three matches."

    However much I do not like SG's entry now..I must say that he has been neatly isolated..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 12:40  

  • mayur...I hope not!...that would rubbish a pretty good rule that BCCI has recently put in place...and after all there is no real urgency to get him back asap..no?

    By Blogger worma, at 12:40  

  • saum: tell me about work days being messed up.
    am so sleepy right now...thankfully, we have a halloween party at the office today and we can goof off and leave early...how about that!

    By Blogger dna, at 12:40  

  • Cricinfo reports that the selectors made the decision of omit SG on the recommendation from RD and GC that the team remain same. More said that they want to make the newcomers play at least 20-25 matches before the World Cup. He also said the fielding of the current team has been fantastic. Given all this, I doubt the selectors will even give SG a look for the forthcoming ODI fixtures. There are plenty of experienced players like Dinesh Mongia knocking at the door but being ignored. Unless there is a drastic downturn, this team is here to stay (at least in the ODIs). I wish it were not so, SG is my favorite player but he has brought this upon himself.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 12:41  

  • how's sgstream today guys?? and how they charge per match or per month?

    By Blogger MAHER, at 12:41  

  • dna: no halloween party here... but if there was one, i wouldn't even need a costume... with big bags under my eyes, i already look the part! :)

    By Blogger saum, at 12:45  

  • hjrsingh,
    Your post is good and also brings out the oft repeated complaint about SG..'he has brought it upon himsself'. What exactly? As has been discussed many times, if you take last 10-12 games he and RD are not much apart. If you take captaincy, he did nothing bad except for the false allegations by the pathological liar called GC. And for the leak to press? Well, Harsh Bhogle knew about the issue long before SG affirmed his questioning at Zimbabwe. Someone else from Indian team leaked the spat between SG and GC long before the press conference. Blame the conspirators..not SG at least.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:45  

  • I enjoy reading BBC Cricket. This time tho they have goofed in stating the first ODI was played in Kanpur

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4381936.stm

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 12:48  

  • Talk of rubbing salt. This is what More said after team announcement today "Asked about Ganguly returning to the team, he said, "Sourav is a great player and can return to the team any time.""

    source - rediff

    By Blogger J, at 12:50  

  • j,
    Ha ha ..that's a good one! KM can now write script for Amitabh B!!!

    By Blogger SS, at 12:52  

  • Hi Saurabh, that is probably one of the funniest things I have heard. I keep reading it over again and it cracks me everytime.

    Ok, now to cricket (still laughing). This Indian team is as positive as I can remember. Though they were successful at the world cup, there were not so concerned with "excellence." These guys are playing extremely positive cricket. They have looked better than even when playing against Bangladesh or Zim. The season is young and all this may fall to the wayside. But the intent that they carry into this series is wonderful, they are here to destroy Sri Lanka.

    Chappell - was not a big fan of him. But I am coming around. He has done a find job of instilling the hunger for excellence, that is what great coaches do compared to good coaches.

    So far this is what we have in supply - Batting:
    Best opening pair in ODI's
    Best Middle order batsmen - in RD, MK, YS, MD
    All-rounder - we finally have one in IP

    Bowling:
    One solid pace bowler
    3-5 pace bowlers who have potential but are not there yet
    1 young spinner (HS) who might decline
    2 good sidekick spinners
    2-3 on the fringe spinners

    Outside of the team -
    tons of young batsmen
    one young spinner - piyush
    no real pace bowlers

    Not great in bowling but batting is certainly there.

    By Blogger ahem, at 12:53  

  • worma: true is a great rule... but what r we going to do in case there r no domestic games for players to prove fitness... i mean the irani trophy starts in early october while deodhar trophy starts after the ranji season around Feb-March timeframe... what if someone gets injured between april and september which is a whooping 6 months period (half year)... how shud guys prove fitness then...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 12:56  

  • Sri Lanka is not playing to their potential othwerwise our bowling would have been exposed by now. Shudder to think what Aus or Eng will do to this bowling

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 12:57  

  • ajit,
    You have a good summary.

    But what has GC to do with this? He never proved himself as a good coach in his life.

    The current run is just a convergence of many factors like SRT coming out and playing in great form and IP doing great etc.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:57  

  • ashvin,

    maybe Sachin and RD have something else going on!!! :)

    Boob Woolmer site : very very funny. What is more funny is that he actually chose to respond to it the second time.

    SG really needs to play a few more games and score consistently to get back into the team. There are more solid performers in Indian domestic cricket who never even got a foot in the door because the team performed exceedingly well upto a year back. SG has an advantage over them because of his past record, but he still has to prove that he can make it - one game is just not enough

    Clearly SG chose the wrong fight to fight. HE was not in the right frame of mind when he chose to go public in Zimbabwe

    Off to lunch Ciao

    By Blogger Prabu, at 12:59  

  • ss, if you talk to the players, I am reasonably sure they will tell you that gc has injected a lot of positive spirit in the team. I think IP has already acknowledged this. Would be interesting to see if he encouraged SRT to break out of his shell

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 12:59  

  • Can't wait to read gavaskar's comment on the selection. It will be interesting to see what kind of conspiracy theories he comes up with, this time.

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:02  

  • my take on SG exclusion.

    if SG had been selected he would have to be in the final eleven in place of either VR or VS. we know RD comment that VS in one innings from a big one so he is definitely in the plans for team in the next three matches.

    in case of VR he has now played two matches and hasnt needed to bat at all. dispensing of him without even giving him a chance would be highly unjust.

    therefore if he came into the 14 and was not selected in the final eleven it would be even more controversial than now and the possibiltity of bad blood within the current team management and SG very high.

    in the situation of SG not being selected he can wait his turn and when/if newbies fail get another chance at it.

    of course if the newcomers are firing then he doesnt get a chance because that means india winning consistently and thats what everyone wants isnt it.

    By Blogger inoc, at 13:02  

  • There's apiece on Cricinfo called "India's Supersub slip", which argues that India didn't quite get it right. If we planned to win the toss, why use a bowler as supersub? It goes on to explain why this was a dumb decision & why an all-rounder would have been better.

    Really? Dumb, huh?

    Think about this. India is pretty confident about not needing an extra batsman, especially given the new "old" SRT. The gameplan is to have enough attacking bowling options IF we lose the toss and are forced to bowl under lights. Given that the dew makes life difficult for spinners, we decide that we don't want an extra batsman, but an extra bowler! Hence, Sreesanth (who is the least experienced batsman among the bowlers) gets to be Supersub.

    The writer, S. Rajesh, usually often comes up with a good analysis of the number, but this time I think he just didn't get it. RD & GC are too smart (and attacking) to have messed up, rather than have come up with a new twist to a flawed (IMHO) rule. Sorry Rajesh, conventional wisdom & the usual statistical line of thought don't work in this case.

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:03  

  • ashvin,
    We are taking the GC thing too seriously too early. SRT had a splendid run so many times in his career with GC/RD/SG mentoring him!!!

    As for IP...youngsters need to latch on to the new boss anyhow. Do not add much value to it. What about Harbhajan's bombshell?

    By Blogger SS, at 13:03  

  • @jeetu
    u r absolutely right. i could see that logic immediately - RD and GC are too intelligent to make a goof-up like that

    By Blogger GK, at 13:05  

  • @ashvin
    it is futile to try to convince ppl like ss

    By Blogger GK, at 13:06  

  • gk,
    Did you read Harbhajan's interview? That will convince you.

    By Blogger SS, at 13:08  

  • jeetu/gk: I thought the same thing when I read the article this morning... but after a late night, i wasn't sure if i was thinking clearly enough or not! :) glad someone brought it up.

    By Blogger saum, at 13:08  

  • @ss
    what interview ? the one where he lashed out at GC ?

    By Blogger GK, at 13:08  

  • @gk, yep!

    By Blogger SS, at 13:09  

  • @ss
    that convinces me that harbhajan tho a good bowler is not very smart - nothing else

    By Blogger GK, at 13:10  

  • ss, harbhajan is a loose cannon and dount there are too many people who take him seriously. Plus his tendencies to rebel against any disciplined regimen are well known. I am not a big gc fan, but I am heartened to see the amount of one-on-one time that he is spending with the team. Maybe wright did that too - I don't know

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:11  

  • saum/gk: glad to know that I wasn't (the only one) smoking something....

    I really want to vent about the Supersub rule. It is probably a good concept, but implemented in a way that makes it do more damage than good. As many people have pointed out before this, why not simply announce a team of 12 before the toss & nominate the sub after the toss? The ICC are a bunch of jokers. Wait...have I heard something like that before?

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:14  

  • @ jeetu

    announcing the supersub after the toss would annul the toss advantage but would mean it is 12 man team now instead of eleven. so you can have 6 batmen 1 wk and 5 full time bowlers.it will negate the advantage that teams have for producing good allrounders.

    i think the supersub rule was brought in for weaker teams to provide a more even contest. my opinion of course

    By Blogger inoc, at 13:18  

  • jeetu: lol on the supersub article...
    but in all fairness to the blokes at the ICC, if i remember right they did say that the new rule be tried for a year or so and then evaluated for efficacy. I presume they will make changes (hopefully) when it comes up for review... and given that such ideas are far and wide... i think its worth a trial... got to go for lunch fellas... happy blogging!

    By Blogger saum, at 13:18  

  • hmmmm why name a supersub? why not just be able to pull in anyone from the 15 depending on the match situation? :)

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:18  

  • new blog rule - no one can go to lunch without saying 'tendulkar ki jai'

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:21  

  • So this is what it turns out to be in the end.SG left in the cold.Not really surprised & wouldn't term it unfair either;but if & only if the same yardstick is used for everyone going forward.The problem is everyone agrees that a team selection should be based on cricketing terms alone,but not sure that it's the case here.I mean,everyone seems to be doing their best to keep SG out of the team,while a more logical thing would have been to give him a chance,& then dump him had he not performed.I must say that Dravid's attitude seems pretty strange to me,given the fact that he & Ganguly had such a partnership going.I reckon that at one point of time,he had probably got tired of playing the VC...:)

    By Blogger mpb, at 13:21  

  • Guys, I don't like the the changes in one day either. Especially the Supersub one. Its something like designated hitter rule in baseball. This will prepare one dimensional players. I would like to see 11 players playing the game not 12.

    As far as the second change. The powerplays.. I don't know why the notion that more run = more entertainment goes around and even the experts like SMG and co agree with it. I would like the 15 over field restrictions to be in place. Only change I would like to see that there should be liberty of when they can be used. This should be decided by fielding captain and should be used in batches of three. This would eliminate field restrictions upfront also. 3 batches of 5 overs each. Don't matter when they will be implemented. This would keep spectators and batting team guessing. Why increase field restrictions to 20 and make fun of bowlers?

    By Blogger Yorker, at 13:24  

  • mpb, i would not be surprised if sg is back for the sa series

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:24  

  • Prem, You are refraining from commenting on this? LOL
    I hope the selectors dont leave out SG for good. After all, he was only in bad form and he doesnt deserve to be treated like say an Azhar or Jadeja was.

    By Blogger Toney, at 13:24  

  • inoc: Neither am I not fully convinced about the Supersub concept nor strongly against it. SO, I kind of agree with what you say (& with ashvin too...) All I'm saying is that if you have a Supersub rule in the first place, don't skew it so badly that the toss becomes even more important than it already is.

    Greame Smith claims that most of the captains are against the rule. But he (or the article) doesn't say whether they all want it changed or scrapped. Ruchir linked this off the main page BTW.

    Feeling hungry..."tendulkar ki jai"!

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:26  

  • Note to self: Don't never use no double negatives....

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:27  

  • I obviously meant "Neither am i fully convinced..."

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:27  

  • Toney, I would rather ss SG in the ODI team instead of the test team - but as a player only. WOnder if he will have ego problems if he is named as a supersub tho

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:27  

  • Ahhh...ashvin finds a way to bring the two threads (Ganguly and Supersub) together for more masala.....

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:28  

  • lol jeetu - purely co-incidental

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:29  

  • i wonder why so much of an issue is made about SG. even today we havent shed our individualistic mentality. the arguement seems to be SG has done enuf to merit a place in the team and not that the team needs SG (i mean just for arguements sake) clearly i think atm this team is fine and needs no lazy players and ordinary fielders like SG, AN and ZK

    By Blogger GK, at 13:30  

  • actually I think the supersub role is great for poor fielders like sg and vvs - just bat and then rest :)

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:31  

  • New rule for the ICC:
    All teams should name Ganguly their Supersub & then write emails about him to the BCCI....

    (Wonder if anyone will actually lose their funny bone & flame me for this....)

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:32  

  • Just spoke with Ganguly. He says that will be a super-snub not super-sub

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:32  

  • looks like everyone has gone for lunch :(
    oh well, i better go too. ganguly, errr i mean tendulkar ki jai

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 13:38  

  • anyone following the NZ-SA game?

    Great counter attack by the Kiwis. 22/2 in 7 overs and now 62/2 in 11....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 13:38  

  • It is very interesting to see the Ganguly debate. Points counter points. Some how frankly I want Ganguly to be back. Maybe it is wrong but can't think of an Indian team with Ganguly. Let's see what happens. But whatever I read in Bengali papers (they are pretty saurav centric though) he is determined to give it a fight. My close friends are telling me, he should not come back because of in the dignity issue, like the team management will play in different tune and also the way the whole India used some insulting comments (may be he deserve those, not getting there..)as a matter of prestige he should never come back to the team which he made.

    I think in this way, nothing is more than a countries pride before any bengali sentiment (if I am have any). So if it is good for India so be it.

    But the way I am seeing Ganguly is responding to this situation I have a gut feeling he is fighting for comeback in a positive way and right way. There is a big challenge. And if he can comeback and play for a long time with pride and performance, that will give him an immense satisfaction to him and me. I am hoping for that.

    If it doesn't happen, maybe it is good for India. Let's see,

    By Blogger Arpan K Chowdhury, at 13:40  

  • The selectors want to stick with a winning combination. Does that essentially mean until India lose a couple of matches, there is no way back for Ganguly? For example, if India wins 2 out of the next 3 ODIs, then ends up closing out the series 5-2, under the reasoning given Ganguly would not be selected for the RSA ODIs. What if India gets off to a good start in that series and goes on to win it? Basically, until India pretty much lose a series, or are on the verge of losing a series, there's no way back for Ganguly?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:42  

  • BTW, not taking sides one way or another in my previous post; simply attempting to analyze the situation at hand

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:43  

  • mayur..sorry for late reply...usually its not difficult to find a domestic or practise match for such injured players...for example if we didnt have the Duleep trophy now...he could have played in the practise match against SA (I'm sure thee's one?). Usually there is something or the other to take up almost throughout the season...except in peak summers when we usually dont have home series either

    On tour its a different issue...and I think this rule would not (should not, alteast) apply on tours...although there are tour matches in between...but still it should depend on the importance of the player for a crucial match

    By Blogger worma, at 13:44  

  • saurabh...yep following..although not watching

    By Blogger worma, at 13:44  

  • and the persistence with vincent(over Marshall) is finally paying off...

    By Blogger worma, at 13:45  

  • This may be a blessing in disguise for Ganguly. Sooner or later the law of averages will catch up with the Indian team and If things start going sour with SG back in the team, the knives will be out again. It is better for him to wait a few more games.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 13:46  

  • great catch by Kemp

    By Blogger Poondu, at 13:48  

  • Team india is finally taking its shape. The balance of the tam is good right now. Ganguly sud be drafteed in,if at all, once team india hs taken its full shape whic menas after these 2 ODI series'. Then ganguly will have to play by the ground rules set for everyone else in the team, no politicking. Also it will give him enof time to prove that he is back in form, improve his bowling, work on his fitness and fielding.remember wolmer just recently said that it doesnt take 2 years to get fit only 2 months and sidhu improved his fielding in a few weeks. so lets see how badly dada really wants to come back

    By Blogger Avinash, at 13:49  

  • avinash, okay summary bit pal please leave aside the politicking part. Don't repeat what the liar GC has said. One can not be the best even captain by politicking...give SG a break!!

    By Blogger SS, at 13:52  

  • jeetu and all reg super sub my earlierpost here...what u say of this guy??

    Hi prem,
    u need to explain Harish Kotien how supersub works.Once earlier this season(dono which match) when opp were 9 down he criticised ganguli for not allowing pathan to rest and use supersub for him.(inning took hardly 10 min after that)

    This is what he wrote today.....

    ""India could have well opted to use Agarkar for his spell of ten overs and then had him replaced by Super sub Sreesanth, who could have exploited the helpful conditions, but they chose not to.""

    Later again....

    "Such was India's domination that they did not need to use Super sub Sreesanth, who could have been called in at some stage to take advantage of the helpful conditions."

    By Blogger MAHER, at 13:53  

  • I heard a story that Sidhu was once nominated the best fielder in a tournament or something & his son said something to the effect of "Mera daddy? Aisa ho hi nahin sakta..." Probably just one of those baseless stories.

    The Sidhu dives were patented until Kumble came along. But still nothing like Jonty Singh Sidhu's efforts

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 13:55  

  • Just heard from my reliably non-reliable source. SHE tells me that SG is planning to go on *chakka-jaam* andolan. His supporters are planning to burn effigies of GC, RD, KM and Dalmiya. LP Sahi will write a detailed article on how SRT is keeping SG away from the team by playing awesome knocks. SMG will also write an article detailing his conspiracy theories on how GC is not letting Raina and Gambhir play to keep SG out of team.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:00  

  • maher: I think that Harish Kotien was smoking something too, but not the stuff that we were using. I think we made sense, unlike poor Harish.

    Too many stories get written using the usual buzzwords - "helpful conditions" being one example - and little actual thought. That's why I liked Prem's articles (no buzzwords & actual thought). But all these guys seem to just write whatever comes to their heads at that point in time. S. Rajesh, I think, simply made an error in his article. He doesn't seem to belong in the camp I just mentioned. Harish Kotien, on the other hand.....

    Just because you have a Supersub, it doesn't mean you have to use him. It reminds me of a friend I was once driving with on a higway. He wasn't using his cruise control & so I bugged him about it 2-3 times. He replies, "I have a horn, should I use that too?"

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 14:02  

  • jeetu:

    Actually, when Siddhu's son saw him diving, he started crying. His mom asked him why he was crying and he said "Dekho, papa kele ke chhilke (banana peel) pe fisal gaye. Unhe chot lag gayi hai."

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:04  

  • toney: The selectors' action speaks for itself, nein? What's to comment? I do hope, though, that someone -- hopefully, More as chairman of the committee -- spoke to him, explained where the committee was coming from, and what they saw as his future; it needs to be done for the newest of recruits, let alone a nine-year veteran with quantifiable achievements to his name.

    Maher: *sigh* Boss, I'll leave well enough alone, for reasons I am not going into here.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:05  

  • I, for one, was hoping that SG would be brought back although I knew he wouldn't be. The single biggest mistake he made was to get on the wrong side of GC. GC calls the shots now. Otherwise, consider this:

    A player (read ST), having made 10,000+ runs in ODIs is asked to prove his fitness, does so by playing unconvincingly in the Challenger series and is promptly brought into the team with the excuse that his stature deserves it. Note that he had been playing much below par in his last few ODIs

    Another player (read SG), having made 10,000+ runs in ODIs is asked to prove his fitness, does so very convincingly in the Duleep Trophy but is relegated to the sidelines? Where is the logic in this? Does his stature not deserve being recalled to the team?

    I would have understood if the selectors had the balls to say that SGs politicking was causing problems and GC/RD had a problem with it. But they are not going to say that. JD is not going to do anything until the elections are over. So looks like SG's goose is cooked.

    BTW, nothing against ST, glad to see him rejuvenated...more power to him. I just wish SG is given the same respect the ST commands.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 14:06  

  • Ruchir, that is very funny - thnks!! Reminds me of this guy (ethnicity unknown) who slips on a banana peel and falls. Next day, he is walking and sees another banana peel and exclaims 'Saala aaj bhi fisalna padega?' :)

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 14:07  

  • prem: makes sense there... i hope KM talks to SG personally there... lack of communication is BCCI's forte, but there is so much pressure on KM that he will do it...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 14:07  

  • I do not understand the rationale behind dropping VVS Laxman from the ODI team. None of the batsman rao, kaif, yuvraj, sehwag are in a class of him. Remember the world cup is not played in India's backyard where the above guys can can score some runs. The cup is played in WI and though it is a shorter version of the game the role of specilist batsman/bowler always comes into picture in tight games involving good teams.
    In a scenario where we are 20/2 or so against a Australia, England, Pakistan in a key game I would take Laxman over anyone including Tendulkar or Dravid. For one he scores freely and is realible under these conditions.
    So all these theories of building the squad for World cup is non sense. You can have the likes of Rao/Gambhir have 25 -30 games under their belt but it does not matter.
    Their is nothing wrong in grooming for the future but why it has always be at the cost of Laxman, especially if he is performing well. On top of that he is younger than Dravid or Tendulkar.
    With the supersub rule in place his role should be more prominent now.
    I do not know what it is but something does not smell right with the way Laxman is treated and no one says a thing about it except saying that he is a liabilty on the field. Trust me he is no more bad than a Dravid/Sachin/Sehwag.
    I can understand GC present theory if we are building a team for ASIA cup. But come on we are talking of world cup on a foreign soil and he prefers rao, gambhir, raina over Laxman.
    Who is he kidding????

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 14:08  

  • Actually, I was pretty surprised (pleasantly though) by the selectors decision. SO far, they have done nothing to invalidate Mohinder Amarnath's famous statement. This decision is almost Aussie in nature.

    I say "almost" because the Aussies do this before an applaing decline in form & fortune. We wait for leaked emails....

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 14:08  

  • Ruchir:

    That may have been the actual story about Sidhu & is even funnier that I remembered. It was a long time ago though...

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 14:10  

  • " I just wish SG is given the same respect the ST commands."

    Well mate, you have to keep wishing *L*

    By Blogger Bala, at 14:12  

  • hjr, ramshorn: well said. The 2007 thing is a hogwash. This is just a slogan invented by GC and Raj singh/I S bindra faction to keep out the poeple they don't like and to keep in people they like. And we take that too seriously!!!

    By Blogger SS, at 14:13  

  • jeetu:

    LOL. Buddy, I was just joking there. I made it up. :-)

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 14:13  

  • prem,
    i was just trying to explain that this guy reporting cricket and still doesnt know rule yet.how can ss could have bowl if u let AA bowl his 10 overs and then replace with ss??

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:14  

  • Ashvin,
    man that was bad taste. RD did ball tampering once..do you call him a cheat always?

    By Blogger SS, at 14:19  

  • yeah ss..

    Totally agree with you on that one.
    Bindra and co. paid all other teams to make sure that they make Ganguly's performance tank. In fact, my reliable sources say that Bindra also helped engineer a contract between the Pak bowlers and Gatorade Inc, who are developing an experimental beverage to help bowlers bowl faster. But he insisted that the bowlers use this only when bowling to Ganguly.

    That taken care of, Bindra and co ensured that SRT was out of the team so that he could not help the team's cause. I heard they gave a device to Sachin's kid to put under his elbow at night to cause tennis elbow.

    I am shocked at their machinations. It is truly disgusting. But I didn't expect SL to accept whatever deal they did to roll over and die.

    I'm so depressed :-(

    By Blogger Bala, at 14:20  

  • Ruchir: Nevertheless, since it was baseless & poorly remembered, let us just modify the actual story to the current version.

    Hear all, Ruchir's is now the official story on Sidhu's dives!

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 14:20  

  • ss: maybe SG's problem was that he never did ball tampering, unlike SRT & RD. In fact he seemed to be so averse to ball tampering that he kept ducking all the time....

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 14:22  

  • i am glad SG was not brought back (what a relief !). his time is up, he was a terrific player but he certainly does not select himself based on his batting nor does he select himself because he builds terrific teams or that there are no viable options (like the Mike Brealey case). While he did mould the team into an aggressive fighting unit with his in your face approach the time has come to move on and take the team to the next level. No doubt his attitude and approach was radical and I am sure Vaughn, Flemming & Smith watched him with admiration and decided to concoct their own version of the in your face approach. Yes, he deserves a better send off but when you dig a hole for yourself and keep digging instead of trying to come out it can crush you. This is unfortunately the case with Ganguly.

    By Blogger MM, at 14:26  

  • SS, what was in bad taste? Also, I don't understand where or why this ball tanmpering issue keeps resurfacing out of the blue?

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 14:27  

  • maher: I know, mate. :-) I was responding to that, when I said, that is one place I dont wanna go, for reasons I wont go into here.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:33  

  • anybody watching the SA NZ match? Interesting one, this...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:34  

  • toney yeah watching now...good fight..and anyway I enjoy watching vincent

    By Blogger worma, at 14:35  

  • worma, not a big fan of Vincent here. And I hate Scott Styris (he came at No 4, right?).

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:36  

  • Off topic guys,
    Anybody notice Piyush Chawla's performance in the Duleep Trophy? He scored 60 runs off 95 balls and has taken 1-30 so far. His one wicket was that of Sridharan Sriram, one of South Zone's mainstays in their batting lineup. Would love to see this kid keep improving and possibly play for India a couple of years from now. In the future, he could combine with Pathan in the lower middle order and finally allow India to play 5 specialist bowlers in Test and ODI cricket.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:36  

  • We can watch these matches at least for the technology involved, hawk eye, snickometer, speed guns, what not. Unlike when we see cricket in India

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:37  

  • *sigh* I understand the concept of supporting one or the other player (though I must confess I do find it difficult to understand otherwise exuberant posters who suddenly go silent when India wins -- because the win could likely have an adverse effect on one person's career).

    What I don't understand why such personal preference for a particular player has to warp sense, and sensibility, both. Vide this post:

    SS said...

    hjr, ramshorn: well said. The 2007 thing is a hogwash. This is just a slogan invented by GC and Raj singh/I S bindra faction to keep out the poeple they don't like and to keep in people they like. And we take that too seriously!!!

    Wow! All this while, I was under the impression that when Wright's successor was being picked, the BCCI -- that would be Mahindra and Dalmiya? -- asked that applicants present their vision for the team, vis a vis WC'07. And that GC was picked -- by, among others, SG, that virulent opponent of SG -- on the basis of this vision. Didn't realize it was all done with smoke provided by Bindra and mirrors courtesy Raj Singh.

    As they say in Mumbai... kuch bhi, yaar!

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:38  

  • they say that in videsh also prem "whatever" :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:41  

  • Prem, what have you done? You will now bring the full wrath of ss on you.

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 14:44  

  • This may be akin to asking for the moon, but here's an analogy that came to my mind.
    Scenario A: When a student in school is underperforming, the teacher and principal come together with the student's parents and try arrive at decisions about his future. Already burdened by the track record of underperforming, the student now if further demoralized for not being involved in the "rehab" process, where he is only handed down a mandate to accept or reject his fate.
    Scenario B: The parent-teacher meeting also involves the delinquent student, where he is told to face what the issues are and how they could be resolved--over time, even if that involves some punishment / rejection in the immediate term. The student comes out more confident of the meeting that nobody is "out to get him."

    Now when the "student" in question was a star pupil, even a leader just a short while ago (like Ganguly was), wouldn't you this Scenario B would be better?

    Oh well, I feel better for throwing it out there. Who am I kidding that the Board works that way?

    By Blogger dna, at 14:46  

  • Prem,
    Since when did team selection change from series based to match based ? we select teams every 2 or 3 matches in a series ?

    By Blogger cosmo kramer, at 15:01  

  • dna: Let us modify the analogy a little...

    The underperforming student starts playing all kinds of tricks to make sure that his performance isn't noticed & puts himself in a position that resembles an ultimatum. Now what? Does Scenario B even become an option?

    Sambit Bal has an article on Cricinfo that I agree with. SG has been treated shabbily, and there is enough blame to go around. Lots of people have played a part in this, and Ganguly himself is partly to blame. But the Indian team is almost certainly a better place without him causing all kinds of dilemmas to the team management (to have or not to have? if "to have" then where and whok to leave out? what shall we have for lunch?). And notice, I didn't even go into the grey areas of politicking.

    I don't think these last 2 performances against SL have been a fluke. It is indicative of a very positive outlook on many counts. This is what I remembered in the last World Cup (...except the final & the first 2 matches...) I do wish that this resolution had come - both for SG & VVSL - in a more graceful way. But then I shake my head & remember Jimmy Amarnath...

    By Blogger Jeetu, at 15:02  

  • "sigh* I understand the concept of supporting one or the other player (though I must confess I do find it difficult to understand otherwise exuberant posters who suddenly go silent when India wins -- because the win could likely have an adverse effect on one person's career)".

    Prem:

    Sometimes even someone so knowledgable as you baffle me with the causes you choose to pick to fight.

    Among all the hoopla about pro-SG and Anti-SG arguments, you kept silent and for good reason -because people were questioning your bias, if at all there is one, against SG. Certainly understandable because you felt you were being typecast and drafted into a position, which you felt you did not necessarily hold --to wit, you were being impartial --neither pro-Sg nor anti-SG.

    In choosing to remain silent, you also did not comment on the blatant and sometimes distasteful denigration of SG (a few others too on the other side of the equation, but primarily SG) by people who were basing a majority of their arguments on non-cricketing issues (personal bias etc). Again, that is understandable if you chose to stay away from the already divisive pro-Sg, anti-Sg argument.

    But to pick on people who are supposedly silent on india's win because it bodes ill for SG (see your quote above) defies logic and here is why:

    1) These comments are made in response to a post about SG not being selected, so the point about lack of people rejoicing (in this section) over India's win is irrelevant

    2) the posts about the match show sufficient instances of people being overjoyed with India's performance -- and that included posters who were both pro-Sg and anti-SG, which again makes this point irrelevant

    3) to pick out one peripheral comment by ss regarding the WC 2007 vision among thousands made in the context of the SG issue and use that as an example to question motives of posters is inconsistent at best, given your earlier avowed statements to stay above the fray of the whole SG issue because you were getting flamed as being anti-SG by some.

    Seriously, I believe you when you say that we should leave it upto you to decide who you like /dislike, but if some people question your likes/ dislikes vis-a-vis the SG issue, dont you think they get their fodder from such a selective post and a completely inconsequential battle that you have just embarked upon vide your comment above ?

    By Blogger kban1, at 15:05  

  • Bala, good sarcasm but pal get over with this anti-SG thingy. Every time SG won poeple used to say things were fixed by JD:((

    By Blogger SS, at 15:10  

  • Prem, good that you got going on the 2007 thing!! You see, things do not follow a predicted path. Indira Gandhi used Garibi hatao slogan and then others have used it also, only as a hogwash. ditto about the 2007.

    When you pick up a coach in 2005 one should have 2007 in mind. JD/Mahendra could not do anything else. But then what started happening in the name of 2007 is unacceptable. All off a sudden all ethics was thrown out, RD vs SG rivalrly was nurtured and RD was made captain for a series when SG was suspended for just 2 matches. And now 2007 logic is being thrown to stop SG from coming back. That is the pattern I am talking about. As far as the current politics goes, 2007 is a smoke screen of all the things happening behind the scene. And oh yes..India has never performed so well on home series ever..do we have to believe that??

    By Blogger SS, at 15:22  

  • guys, let us not jump the gun too much here and assume that sg's career is over..i think it is far from it and quite a few things will still be played out here...everything happened along the expected lines, esp after india's results in last two matches. but, sg will need to be patient and keep on hanging out at the nets. the current team is far from proven as a whole unit and there is still enough chance for sg, kaif, zk, an and even possibly kumble to come back. remember, all the experiments are going to be over when wc 2007 is near and proven, tried and tested unit with experience will be key ingredients necessary to partcipate competitvely, let alone win the cup. remains to be seen that how many newbies can stand up and deliver in the meantime which will affect how many oldies can come back assuming no other oldies from the current team falter in the meantime. the only issue here is that if wc 2007 was not the only target (which i feel is gc's main deliverable) then one could have really taken a long term view and get rid of any current non-performing, unfit old bunch. that being the main target, too much experimentation will stop within couple series.

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 15:23  

  • in all of this, i feel sorry for venugopal rao... there is so much politics going on for his position... and we all know that he has not got a chance to play so far... with SG and MK breathing down his neck, his true character will be revealed... or is it too early to put pressure on this youngster though he shud be aware of the fact that he is playing for india and there r a lot of contenders for his post...

    By Blogger Mayur, at 15:27  

  • Prem:
    Why don't you come out and say that you don't want SG in the team.I mean,anyone,even a journalist,is entitled to his personal bias/opinion,whatever you want to call it...especially in a blog...:).
    But i think there are a lot of people who genuinely feel that chucking somebody out(especially since SG can't be equated to Azzu,for god's sake) isn't really the best way of going about things.The minimum he deserved is a warning shot from the selectors to perform or perish,which he didn't!!One day,the selectors treat SG like royalty,the next day they throw him out of the team.And the only thing that happened in between is the somewhat shady SG-GC spat.Doesn't really make too much sense,does it?

    By Blogger mpb, at 15:33  

  • Saurabh;

    Your Bob Woolmer post is the funniest thing, I have read in ages.

    C'MON!!!

    By Blogger nish_the_dish, at 15:39  

  • Another rant about Ganguly not making it

    http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/msid-1279029.cms

    By Blogger Bala, at 17:45  

  • Thanks for the link. The struck the right chord. JP Jadav finding a place while Ganguly being excluded is ludicrous at best! Selectors need to set their bias aside while selecting the team or should we import selectors (just like coach) from other countries? Jokes apart, anti-Ganguly people rejoicing today will surely have their hero treated the same way in future. Pakistan beat us 4-2 (SRT was in the team at that time) which proved how short-lived our initial success could be. You could argue that SRT was injured at that time. Why did he play then? If SRT can play with 50% fitness how can we ignore a 100% fit Ganguly? Having said that I am so much happy that SRT is back with a vengeance. Unlike most people I don't have any bias. I don't care about who brings the victory as long as we win.

    By Blogger Sudip, at 18:22  

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    By Blogger IssaicN, at 20:53  

  • I guess Ganguly has been DROPPED.

    More importantly the selectors, by giving the captaincy to Dravid, are making Ganguly fight for a place as a batsman + fielder. Presumably, the selectors had given Ganguly an extended chance to prove himself (after the Pak fiasco) in SL and Zim and he FAILED. Also remember Laxman, Kumble, Balaji & Zaheer were ejected after SL and didn't get to play in Zim or since; Sehwag and Harbhajan were placed under notice.

    In contrast, Yuvraj and Kaif have enhanced their stock, while Dhoni's and Pathan's cups overflowth in abundance. Same could be said of Dravid and Sachin in this series!! Murali Kartik has done as expected on helpful pitches.

    There is an unsettled look about the rest of the squad. The key to Dravid's strategy is five bowlers, with allrounders at 7, 8, 9. This puts the emphasis on JP Yadav and Agarkar to prove themselves, esp with the bat. Raina is useful as lively substitute fielder. Rao is being given his chance to impress. Gambhir is the picture as a test player anyway. Good pace bowlers are always in short supply.

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