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Thursday, November 10, 2005

Arjuna on the Indians

It's getting a bit predictable -- every alternate column either indirectly praises, or directly criticizes, the Indian team and its ongoing phase of experimentation.
In months to come, India could bridge the gap even more rapidly. Greg Chappell has practically built alternative for every spot. Instead of 11, India now have 22 players to choose from. As I hear names of V R V Singh and Piyush Chawla, it seems there is no let-up in experiments yet.


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    By Blogger Blogging Blogging Queen, at 11:20  

  • Please note that there is a second page to Arjuna's article in IE that prem has posted. I almost missed it as the link is not that user friendly

    By Blogger J, at 11:26  

  • wonder where ranatunga got the info about SS being the fastest in india

    By Blogger JD, at 11:31  

  • Hope the article is read and meditated over by VS - it might make him introspect deeper than what he has been doing (if at all) and probably help him identify root cause for his consistent strings of short innings.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 11:47  

  • jd,
    One of the Indian commentators may have told Ranjit Fernando that VRV Singh was the quickest in India, once he was added to the squad. Fernando may have conveyed the information to Ranatunga. Just a hunch...

    By Blogger Sahir, at 12:00  

  • Most people would be surprised to know a boler like Sree Santh who consistently clocks in the low 140s is not the fastest in the country. After all, no Indian is yet to be recorded clocking 150 km/h in an international match. That could all change, if and when VRV Singh gets to debut.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 12:03  

  • Prem: RollyPolly Tunga's article about India being cocky was more because he had to say something negative against Team India at any cost. As someone has said, he has to write after every match and he has to write something, isn't it?
    No reference to the cockiness after Game 6 loss - now, can India do it against Aus? Whatever ...

    By Blogger Main Prem Ka Deewana Hoon, at 12:03  

  • MPKDH :-)

    I like that man :-)
    Wonder if there are any females on this blog, and if there are, then would they replace 'Ka' with 'Ki'

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 12:15  

  • Prem, just curious,
    don't these kinda writers seek any kind of feedback or try to understand the pulse or response of its readers?
    I know you or Harsha are closely associated with your readers by more than 1 means.

    By Blogger Sree, at 12:15  

  • main prem ka deewana hoon,
    First off-- clever screen name

    I think when Rantunga questions whether India can perform similarly against Australia, he does so in a suggestive tone that they can. He refers to the Indians' all out aggression and bench strength, while stating that the new Aussie players being blooded are not all that impressive. Although, whether his hunch is right remains to be seen. The current signs are good-- there seems to be progress, but there's still a long way to go.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 12:19  

  • Thanks guys - I thought it would be a good introduction for a first post :)
    Sahir - you are right, there is definitely a long way to go. And the team will definitely suffer setbacks. But if the message that success breeds success is in their minds, then we have hope.
    Somehow, every time I lose hope with Indian cricket, they come back. Maybe, the "ruthlessness" will stay with the team this time and RollyPolly Tunga will write a few years from now "End of 2005, I had questioned whether Team India can stand up to the best in the world and now, in middle of 2007, they have showed, yes they can".

    By Blogger Main Prem Ka Deewana Hoon, at 12:36  

  • liking someones writing is good but main prem ka whatever is honestly taking it to the extreme yuuuuck

    By Blogger tombaan, at 12:42  

  • Tombaan - I am sorry you feel that way. MPKDH means just what you have said - like his writing, nothing more :)

    By Blogger Main Prem Ka Deewana Hoon, at 12:51  

  • I hope we never get a Main Ranatunga ka Diwana hoon ( for his writing) on the blog

    That will be a real disaster

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:32  

  • suraj - amen to that :)

    By Blogger Main Prem Ka Deewana Hoon, at 13:41  

  • Yes, writing stories about India cricket does sell, but Ranatunga should shut up and start writin' on SL cricket and the problems it faces. The other day he was whining that leaving SRT, Irfan and Bhajji is goign to bad for Indian cricket, as SL will rise to the ocassion and get a sniff at a victory. Well SL did win, and Arjuna must have thought - oh wonderful...now SL is one rise, and poor chap's team got decimated the next game.

    Ranatunga - focus on SL cricket!

    By Blogger jgohil, at 13:47  

  • Poor guy,

    Give him a breather, i am sure he had written the script for this article even before the series begin, and when the series did get underway the tables turned and now he is out of any script and now he holds a grundge against india in a not so open way.

    I can understand if the common man gets all excited about the SL winning their first match, but this guy has been in the field for so many years and yet he is not able to asses the situation correctly.

    By Blogger Realms, at 14:43  

  • I realize this might be the minority opinion, but I did not find anything that objectionable in AR's columns. It appears he has formed opinions based on how the series has progressed, which really is not all that bad.

    In the beginning he said SL were favorites and that was true based on rankings plus they way we had performed against SL in the recent past (true, it did not take into account SL'shome court adv. in the past but that's AR's opinion).
    He showered due praise on India when India performed well for the first 4 matches. He criticised when we lost the 5th match --again, a lot of us Indian fans also felt that maybe too many experienced players were substituted at one go in the match, and that is what he essentially said. His point was great teams like Aus do not let their foot off the pedal and let the opponent a chance. While his comparison to Aus may have been off (Aus are no 1 while we are trying to test bench strength in an effort to get there), again he has a right to call it like he sees it. And then after the last one day, he praised India's performance -- again, not much to argue, credit given where credit was due. About the only thing that could have been faulted was the cocky reference, but other than that his opinions seemed balanced -credit where credit is due and criticism where that is due.

    Why is this considered shifting of opinions ? isn't a mature and astute opinion maker expected to incorporate the real world happenings in order to present a dynamic analysis or should we consider him fickle brained just because he has the ability to reexamine and reassess his original premise. To me, a person unable or unwilling to change (due to whatever reason -- pride, ego, refusal to accept mistakes) is actually an example of an arrogant / obstinate person. I would much rather opt for the former as long as the former's opinion is at least based on substantial facts rather than fancies of the mind like which side of the bed he got up.

    By Blogger kban1, at 16:36  

  • kban1 - I think the objection was to the fact that he thought the Indians were being cocky and that too, only because we lost a game. What better time to experiment than in a dead rubber? Yes, we could have won game 5 if the main bowlers were around - but it was great to find out, wasn't it?
    I think it was fantastic that we experimented - and I would have said it, even if we had lost. If the end goal is the WC 2007, this is what should have been done. Doesn't guarantee the Cup, but at least a plan has been set in motion. It was definitely not cocky.

    By Blogger Main Prem Ka Deewana Hoon, at 16:43  

  • MPKDH (god, that sounds like a sharrukh Khan movie, lol!):

    I agree completely with you. I think the experimentation was right on, even if we lost. I did feel we could have experimented a little differently as in leave at least one senior player like IP in there but thats my personal opinion.

    And as I said, the only objectionable comment there would be the cocky one --so i agree with you there. But my point was that AR may not have seen it from that perspective --he was advocating a ruthless approach like the Aussies, which again is his opinion.

    But overall, there was not much fickle about his columns. He gave credit where due, criticised where needed, and overall showed an adaptability to change his assessment and viewpoints based on what he was seeing on the ground. That to me is not shifting positions -- a good analyst is compelled to take into account dynamic changes and incorporate that into his /her opinion or analysis, and AR certainly did that.

    By Blogger kban1, at 17:02  

  • MPKDH (with the gender changes) is a real movie - just in case you didn't know :)
    We agree on RollyPolly Tunga's comments.

    By Blogger Main Prem Ka Deewana Hoon, at 17:18  

  • kban1, know this: opinions are allowed a change only when they coincide with changes in opinion in the minds of MPKDH and his ilk, and that too, in those people who are currently their [media-boosted, but unacknowledged] flavour-of-the-moment... not otherwise... that means if tomorrow you say that the sun rises in the east, but GC says otherwise, then you better start believing that, for sure enough, MPKDH will! And woe betide those who do not buy into his 'arguments' [and those of greg2rescue, thanks-chappel and motley others...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 04:24  

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