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Thursday, November 24, 2005

Despatch from the war zone

At least, that is what this sounds like -- Irfan Pathan gives security anxious moments because he went out of his hotel at the ungodly hour -- of nine pm?! Sometimes I wonder if this is not being overdone -- this is an Indian metro, for god's sake; what do they expect, that someone pissed off because Sourav Ganguly didn't make the one day squad will hang, draw and quarter Pathan?
On the same theme, here is another ridiculous story -- apparently Greg Chappell will get the sort of security visiting heads of state get, up to and including a bunch of plainclothesmen around him.
On another note, Graeme Smith suggests that keeping the pressure up on Sachin Tendulkar is the key to the Gardens game. Maybe -- some two, three years ago, that is. The best part of the current outfit is that they are not, mentally, where their predecessors used to be, in the sense they no longer fold once Sachin goes.
Ahem -- so someone actually thought to ask the West Bengal CM for his reactions on Sourav's inclusion in the Test team?

227 Comments:

  • Well, when you are in Kolkata the rules of common sense cease to exist Prem! ;)

    By Blogger Buster, at 11:04  

  • Dear firend of Kolkattans: Do not act as if nothing has happened and stop making veiled racist commenst ( that includes Prem you also...everyone have read your consistent comments of Eden crowd and Calcutta people etc in the past).

    One chance mishap can become fodder of news now. So why take the chance? Just stay as per security measures.

    By Blogger SS, at 11:08  

  • Veiled racist comments! Wow, is that better or worse than blatant parochialism when supporting one player as against the other! I never thought i'd say this, but Kapil Dev made so much sense whe he asked why Kolkatans are not upset about Anil Kumble or VVS Laxman's ommission from the ODI team!

    By Blogger indian_idle, at 11:20  

  • ss: Relax, pal. When the crowd -- whether in Kolkatta or Bangalore or Delhi or wherever -- has said it with missiles, yes, I have criticized it. You might want to read my comments of yesterday and today, though -- I thought I said don't judge the city by a few idiots? So where does this 'veiled racist comments' bit come from? Incidentally -- some information for you: I am of the same 'race' as the people of Kolkatta. Sheesh.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 11:20  

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    By Blogger cartan, at 11:20  

  • ppl .... just FYI as im sure many of u have realized that to avoid reading comments under the fake ids of prem created we just need to take the mouse over the blogger id and see the blogger profile number. prem's actual profile is 9291341. any other is a fake

    By Blogger GK, at 11:24  

  • Prem, you know what I meant by 'race'..

    But comments from people like you just starts a wildfire of careless cybercampaign of hate against all things Kolkata/bong/SG etc etc. Weigh your position in the on-line fraternity and then comment.

    Irgan did not do a smart thing. If anyone would hae liked to do something to him..it would not be a cricket or SG fan, but someone using the opportunity to paint the city black. So, not listening to security means that Irfan is actually choosing to give a chance to those kinds of folks.

    ...and let us not downplay the sentiment of average Kolkattans. the way the whole SG dropping episode has played out..there is every reaosn to believe this as a heinous crime commited by Mumbai-DCA-Punjab alliance , ably aided by an outsider GC and his crony from Brijesh Pate;s state.

    By Blogger SS, at 11:28  

  • @gk.. very good tip pal. I think this was Prem himself though!!

    By Blogger SS, at 11:30  

  • ss,
    it is clear who is making the veiled racist comments here.

    By Blogger GK, at 11:31  

  • ss: Clap Clap!!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 11:31  

  • Down with Mumbai-DCA-Punjab alliance!!

    Down with GC!!

    Down with all things SS doesnt like!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 11:32  

  • SS:

    One can very easily turn around and say that SG has been selected only because of the JD-Mahendra-WB-Kolkata goons threatening the ODI lobby.

    So enough of this!

    By Blogger Bala, at 11:42  

  • Bala: you in trouble mate..what have you said!!

    Dont stepout out of your house for a few days now.

    By the way, you sound like a member of the Mumbai-DCA-Punjab alliance as well..so down with you!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 11:44  

  • mount_c:

    I'm not part of any alliance... lol
    Just want to watch some good cricket.

    BTW, SG's form in the domestic tournaments is not all that bad. He's hit one good hundred, taken a few wickets and looks to be on the way to another good score.

    I have been vocal about (rather against) SG in the past, but I feel that dropping him from the ODIs has done him a lot of good. There is nothing better than having a player with something to prove AND talent (and it does take talent to score all those runs) in the team.

    Let's give him a fair run - if he comes off, it will be awesome. If not he'll fade away and make way for the Yuvrajs and the Kaifs. Either way can only be good.

    About divisive forces etc., I trust RD enough to handle this gracefully. And bear in mind all these folks only want to win at the end of the day - or atleast thet should :)

    By Blogger Bala, at 11:53  

  • indian idle
    i dont know where u got kapils comments from but he should well remember the 'protest' by the kolkata crowd when he was dropped by SMG for indisciplined batting as well as for mustaq ali years ago. so it is not only bengalis that they support.

    By Blogger inoc, at 11:53  

  • Now Kapil thinks that standing up for a player by his own people from the same region is parochailism and not good for the country. I guess India always came first to him when he took those kickbacks and threw away the matches

    By Blogger bouncer, at 12:26  

  • inoc, very good point. Wonder why Kapil himself fotgot that.

    By Blogger Bhairo Singh, at 12:27  

  • @inoc, good that you mentioned. I wonder if even Prem knows about the 'NO MUSHTAQ NO TEST' movement of those days. Calcutta folds are a bit emotional and temparamental, I guess that's all to it.

    Let's go back in 93 when Hiro cup was played. IT was just one year after SG was thrown out of the team albeit being JD in power. No complaints heard about that tournaent on that ground.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:40  

  • @bouncer ..Ha ha.

    You see all of these trouble ( for people like Kapil ) comes up when they open their mouth too much. Same happened for SG also. Life is a great leveller like death!!

    By Blogger SS, at 12:41  

  • @ss, since any accusation against SG has been treated as evidence in the court of the media, I am trying to be consistent in applying the same rule for Kapil

    By Blogger bouncer, at 12:50  

  • Some fans took SG episode into regional bias angle. I bet, no one in this blog thought in that angle. Only supporters of SG...took it personally. Everyone want's India to win. Sg did not do enough in last 2 yrs to deserve a spot in team(Tests & ODIs).

    Bengal does not have great cricketing stars, SG was lone star...it does not mean..team has to continue with him..when he is not performing well. RD-GC did whatever is right for the team...GC does not know what this regional jingoism is.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 12:52  

  • @bouncer, I agree.

    Couple of days back kban1 gave a very good , point by point persepctive analysis of accusations made by GC. I hope you read that. What makes me feel sick is that how come so much hatred go against a player who have done so much for India and there is no objective evidence of him doing anything bad. Now, it seems, even his own teammates are shunning him as GC is in charge. That is so petty minded.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:54  

  • ss, read the article by Dileep Prema..whatever at cricinfo on the test team selection. A closer look will show how he is playing with the numbers. He considered last 15 test matches for SG, of course you know why. If you take the last 10 or last 20, his average goes up. In any case, he compares SG's 15 test avg. with avg. of Kaif and YS for their combined 10 test matches. The numbers still did not work out to his satisfaction, so he goes on to say future direction etc. etc. In the same article, of course he compares VVS and SG for their averages since 2001, not last 15. You must have guessed it by now. If you stick to the last 15-test avg. VVS's number comes lower than SG's

    By Blogger bouncer, at 12:58  

  • @rajg,

    Boy, you sure know a lot about Bengal not having circketing stars. I mean if you do not take into account how many budding starts were nipped in the bud by selection committee jokers and others in the past... then you are really right. But for the sake records, you have to allow Pankaj Roy, at the least. The late Roy still holds the only test partnership record India has to her name.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:59  

  • @bouncer,
    Thanks. I will find that one out. I myself checked out a few statguru analyses and used in my debate against some folks here. their main contention was SG scored his runs only against minnows, and I told them while I agree he was not soing great in the last 1-2 years..it is not all. In fact , even in 2003 he had the highest batting average in a series against SA.

    That's all history. But when does present end and histroty start?

    If you take 8-9 matches before Nagpur, even RD does not make the cut, as well as SG. So why pick one up for bad performance and reward another? This is what the selectors have to answer.

    By Blogger SS, at 13:04  

  • @ rajg
    it is not wrong for supporters to support. they may feel, corectly or not that he should be in the team. following this blog and others most of them agree that he is out of form and does not deserve a place in the side. i may be wrong here.
    it is the 'non supporters' who have have brought regionalism, dalmiya, personal attacks into the realms of this discussion.

    By Blogger inoc, at 13:04  

  • @rajg,

    Trying to provide you some info on Bengal. this one is about Gopal Bose from cricinfo. He was dropped after playing just ONE ODI match.

    "In the early 70s, Gopal Bose was one of the prime contenders for the post of Sunil Gavaskar's opening partner. The be-spectacled Bengal batsman was known for his intense concentration and his ability to play a long innings. A marathon knock of 170 for Rest of India in the Irani Trophy match against Bombay in 1973-74 brought him closer to national selection. Picked for the tour of Ceylon later that season, Bose did commendably. In the first `Test' he got a hundred and shared a 194-run opening partnership with Gavaskar. "

    By Blogger SS, at 13:07  

  • SG supporters always go to 2003 or prior for justifying his inclusion. But yet it is true that he should ge given a last channce to salvage his legacy.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 13:12  

  • @crick4all,
    Head to head, SG-RD in the two series against SA and AUS 2004/5, the dark period of SG:

    against AUS SG/RD : 45/0, 5/60,9/26,-/21,-/2,-/31/-/27,

    against SA SG/RD 57/54,40/80,-/47

    [ What is so shamelessly bad in SG performance?? This is not pre-2003]

    you are right to the extent that sometime one has to use pre 2004 statistics when all of SG's records are all but wished away by SG bashers. That (using pre 2004) needs to be done in that context.

    In the last 9 tests, 2004-05, so called dark years of SG, he had scores like 45/5/9 against AUS and 57/40 against SA. PAK was the only really bad series. Why would one like drop a plyaer of long standing after one bad series?

    By Blogger SS, at 13:28  

  • cric4all,

    I thought one reason for his incluion intothe team is that he got 2 centuries in the last 2 months, one in Zim, and the other one in Duleep. At least that's what More said yesterday. And that is in 2005

    By Blogger bouncer, at 13:30  

  • @bouncer,
    I am discounting SG against ZIM and BD. Let's be fair. But looking at what I have presented above, I think anyone would agree that it is premature to just drop him. If we want a new order, let's drop all these RD/SG/SRT/VVS/AK in one heave of the shovel!!!!

    By Blogger SS, at 13:34  

  • SS - Thanks for Info.
    SG left team in the cold against Aus on 3rd test morning. This kind of incidents create a rift in the team atmosphere. It is just not numbers, team chemistry is important. SG's lazy and bit political moves fueled bad atmosphere...this is prime reason to keep him away.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 13:37  

  • @rajg,
    That particular situation or incident, has been analyzed over and over again and there is no evidence against SG so far. Do you think he could have carried his bat again for India if he really did what his distractors imagine?

    We are back spewing personal concoctions about SG and moving away from cricketing matters. And once that starts, you can go ahead and imagine that RD also used a faction to build for the next step of his career!

    By Blogger SS, at 13:40  

  • Intersting to see this debate on SG never ends:-), now he is in the team,i guess if he has been working hard as he claims the results should speak for itself! but i am glad atleast the selectors decide to stick with RD as the captain, changing captains every other series was something PAK used be good at:-),,,, now they have been static in that department for a while, and i am glad we have not followed the trend!

    By Blogger sherine, at 13:40  

  • ...and for that matter, even if we assume SG showed his displeasure for NAGPUR wicket...why was the same pitch so different now when ED captained for IND? Conspiracy theory proved?

    By Blogger SS, at 13:42  

  • @sherine, good point. But have we ever thought why SG was never picked as captain for more than one series at a time during his whole 5.5 years of captaincy? Makes one wonder what is the 'jadu' happening this time.

    By Blogger SS, at 13:43  

  • SS i doubt SG's captaincy was ever a matter of concern with the dalmiya faction in power,,,, now everything in BCCI lies in the corridor of uncertainity!

    By Blogger sherine, at 13:46  

  • SS, are you out of your mind??

    ""I am discounting SG against ZIM and BD. Let's be fair. But looking at what I have presented above, I think anyone would agree that it is premature to just drop him. If we want a new order, let's drop all these RD/SG/SRT/VVS/AK in one heave of the shovel!!!!""

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 13:48  

  • But on a side note, SG does have an attitude problem and this is something he has carried on since his club years,,,, and this is not something i read, i have a friend from cal. who played against ganguly time and again early on in the nineties and is pretty active in bengal cricketing circle!
    But then again, SG's attitude is not the point of the debate anymore!

    By Blogger sherine, at 13:49  

  • @sherine,
    I know I know..we are projecting a bit here. Every time SG misses a chance to win a series, Bedi/Bindra were u in arms. Do youremember the days after the NZ debacle on wet pitches? SG captaincy was never a given. Makes one wonder how much grip really JD had on cricketing matters and to what extent he could run his steamroller in team selection? Monetary matters is a different ballgame though.

    And do not forget, SG was out in the cold '92-'96 even when JD faction was in power and SG'd dad was well known in Kolkata cricket circles. So 2+2 does not always 4 make!!!!

    By Blogger SS, at 13:50  

  • @holysmoke..I was just arguing in favor of the new order :-))

    By Blogger SS, at 13:51  

  • SS,
    I understand, but hold on to your thoughts regarding SG. I am gonna ask you some questions, later today. Lets see where the argument goes.

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 13:53  

  • @sherine..yes SG has a big time attitude problem. Poin accepted. He always thinjs he is made for big time. I read one Bengal Ranji player's article where he told that during one match in '95, SG told him "..dada, please let me bowl. I want to show my bit so that I can get a chace to play for India". Not expected from a Ranji player everyday.

    By Blogger SS, at 13:54  

  • all sg's media managers are back on the blog.. same guy who created a havoc after first ODI defeat and were in hiding afer the second odi..

    one wonders why such amount of justifiction is needed for a bat batting at number 6?

    because THAT guys has been shoved into the team by politics, threats and backing.. and BEGGING.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:58  

  • SS, fact of the matter is, SG was the Indian captain for 5 yrs, and RD is still in infancy mode as far as being a captain goes, so i don't think there is any "jadu" as you call it,,,, rather just things taking their natural course, he captained India, was a good captain, had leadership skills no question about that,,,, but now its time for someone else to take on the job,,,, there's no guarantee the same will not happen to RD after a cpl of yrs! so if i were ganguly, i'd be thankful that i had 5 yrs at the helm:-)

    By Blogger sherine, at 13:59  

  • ss is SG supporter...so looks so pointless and mad...hahaha..drop everyone whose overall avg is 56-57...bring someone whose avg in test is 40 and recent avg is 19...taliyan...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:02  

  • sherine,
    Team India captain gets 20 crores per year in sponsorships and stuff.. a discard captain who is not even certain of his place in team, miht not be able to hold on to even Jhandoo Baam...
    thatsy why "being thankful", is not enough.. you have hire comanies to write news, change public opinions, fill BLOGs.. newspapers.. crib, cry, performed hired demonstrations.. etc.. it costs a lot less if ou consider the benifits..

    but this time its an excercise in loss..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:03  

  • SS,,,,having an attitude problem, helps but only to a certain extent,when you are winning its fine,people ignore it because all of us are concerned with results,nothing else matters, but when you are not doing well and then team is not doing well you really cannot afford to be a "Prince" :-),,,,one simple reason, cricketing skills, records, form, apart why SRT will be dropped from the team,"humility":-),,,, thats how the world works!

    By Blogger sherine, at 14:04  

  • ss,

    you have no evidence against SG...good...you don't have evidence when he spoke to media...i have seen videos where he lied...

    * 1000 runs in 16 tests at Zim (true is less than 700)
    * 14-15 wickets in Duleep trophy (true is 9)
    * 3 centuries in last 5 innings(true is 2 centuries, 14, 0, 0, against Zim and domestic cricket)

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:05  

  • thanks chappel, i that case i do have to thank chappell:-)

    By Blogger sherine, at 14:06  

  • @ thanks chappel
    so the politicians, backers, beggars and those that threaten only do so at certain times (when SG is selected) and go into hiding when he is dropped of their own volition. brilliant.

    By Blogger inoc, at 14:07  

  • why do u support a liar? when he is out of form also...and not willing to give others chance at least? why do u support someone who thinks that he should play and never thinks that india should win...if india's future is better if MK or Yuvraj plays then why didn't he wait outside...others should ask a legend to join and not that legend himself is desperate to come back

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:07  

  • Oh i forgot, another reason why SRT will not be dropped" there will riots all over the country, including Kolkatta",,,, see i think unlike SG, SRT will step down in a couple of yrs,will not go through a soap, as in this case, he did it when he was made captain, no reason why he cannot do it when he knows he does not have it in him anymore!

    By Blogger sherine, at 14:12  

  • inoc,

    he could not make after making pathetic century in Zim 101(262 balls) and a century in demestic cricket...but he makes it after making two ducks...whole kolkata got mad, as if he is bradman of 40's...SG's father's friend is TOI head...he all the time writes abt him...all kind of pressure brings SG back...what will you call it?

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:13  

  • no inoc, I have seen the gleeful faces of ss, inocs, bouncers, oldmanblues on this BLOG when we lost a match.. first to SL when they bashed the strategy of rotation, second when the team with the "REAL" bowling defeated us.. as if Vaas and Murli dont count for anything.. Vaas and Murli were way above in all rankings/avgs than any south african bowlers.. you note that..

    then the SG's selection episode.. his spot has been begged by Bengali's on reasons based on things not cricket.. like "Calcutta matches will be threatened.. other plyers might be attacked.. CM speaking.. selector crying.. Ganguly spreading lies about how he transformed into an allrounder.. and what a great joking allrounder he has become.."..

    dont worry mate, things create some fuss before they are dead.. very soon Calcuttans will have plenty of time to spend with their star.. let us see the prince becoming CM too.. that would be nice .

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:15  

  • @tc,

    I am interested to see an example of a gleeful post I made after the first SA loss. Bring it on pal.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:21  

  • @ shivam

    a lot of the players and may be their fathers have friends in the media and for every person writing for SG there are tens of them writing against him in the media. if thats what has got him in then it shouldnt have going by shear numbers of media writers. also what i meant to say that if that is indeed why he is selected then why werent these guys there to prevent him from being dropped in the first place.
    what is much closer to the truth is that pathetic century or not he has performed in the last series against zim in tests but not in the odis and therefore been dropped for the one dayers and given the chance to prove his worthiness in the tests - if he gets picked in the final eleven that is.

    By Blogger inoc, at 14:22  

  • @shivam and @tc,
    Please scroll up and check the had to head SG/RD statistic I provided for recent AUS and SA series. It will certainly be enlighten your tribal dance!

    By Blogger SS, at 14:23  

  • well ss, I havent stored all your posts.. Many people saw that too.. You will get a chance to whine some daya or the other.. our team is not all-roller yet..

    by the way, CONGRATS for your dream tht came true..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:25  

  • @sherine,
    Let us not forget that people committed suicide when SRT gave up captaincy or something. Cricket is like religion in India and you can not control every freak...

    By Blogger SS, at 14:25  

  • @ thanks chappel

    dont include my name in that group. i havent been here for the entire SA series till today.
    so its possibly your imagination playing havoc at the moment.

    By Blogger inoc, at 14:28  

  • shivam - can u tell me y VVS should play instead of SG based on recent form ?!? Looking at tests played by SG and VVS (of course excl. Zim and BD), SG has a better avg than VVS.

    Also, the other 2 in the Big 4 have also had similar slumps in form (although i do agree that it is not fair in comparing SRT and RD with SG and VVS - SRT and RD are legends).

    So y this angst against SG alone, I wonder ?!?

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 14:28  

  • SS: atleast people are not dying cause SG is not the captain:-),,,,

    By Blogger sherine, at 14:28  

  • ss,
    why r u taking so much of pain to compare each and every runs of SG/RD? Do u know in test cricket even RD/SG comparison is a joke...

    you do one thing...go and see RD's ICC ranking...and that of SG's...you will get 3 vs 43 and that too static rank of 43...

    you mind is not working...bcoz when u support a liar, political minded and selfcentered person...you r bound to become mad...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:28  

  • @tc,
    ...one thing I remember..I told that there be one more halloween for you as SG will soon come back from the past, at least for once.

    Boo hoo!!:-))

    To tell you frankly. I have never said that SG should come back now. I never backed a line of reasoning of getting him so soon. But having said I am always against the resons being stated by More & compnay for dropping him and against the villification campaign. I would be glad to start talking if someone takes up th Anil Kumble issue and tell he is old horse and does not find a place. That is baloney.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:29  

  • ss.. you cant tell me that I should drop RD who fought in all matches against AUS is worse than a guy who peed in his pants by looking at a green pitch.. back against the wall and there runs SG.. RD fought and won bombay test just because of his sheer brilliance in captaincy.

    and against SA we had two test matches.. a total of 3 innings.. and Ganguly did nothing of note in that..

    against PAK, we had tough times.. We won calcutta test.. because RD made 2 centuries.. we SG peed again.. because he was afraid of Afridi bouncers.. right through..

    did you see the look at his face when Afridi bowled him.. Umpire had to break his dream.. maggi noodles undercooked..

    in both forms of the game, continously.. for a long time.. he DOES not deserve a spot.. but board power made it happen.. now board powers are changing.. justice will prevail..

    Ganguly sucks! I wish Calcuttans get some of their senses back and focus on their daily issues.. rather than wasting time over a pathetic guys who is tough to defend against..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:32  

  • also i have not participated in any of this pro anti SG debate previously. it is only today that i posted on a topic close to my heart - people of calcutta, having lived there for a prolonged period when i was younger, i hated the sweeping generalisations made about a group of excellent people just so that people can fuel your arguments in a certain way.

    By Blogger inoc, at 14:33  

  • @shivam,

    First of all pal, this is a decent blog and I hate to see comments like "liar, political minded and selfcentered person" about a player without any evidence, except for one or two misstatements. for that matter, why don't you read SG's comments about RD's captaincy? Why are you all silent about that?

    Second, you must check the context where I was comparing them. The premise was that SG did not play well after 2003, against bug guns. Well here is the statistics, which proves he was not all that bad against the gold standard RD.

    Third, Rd is a just a benchmark. And yes, one has compare against a well accepted benchmark.

    Fourth, if you talk about calibre...I am not too sure. We may have to compare how SG/RD compare when captaining for India and when not captaining. Captaining India is a burden unimaginable.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:33  

  • ravi,

    bcoz he is a liar...cricket is a 11 players game...how come you give all the credit to non-performing captain? and if not then what elzse has he done in last 3 years? Any match winning effort if you can tell me? great players play like Inzi played in last test (centuries against Eng in both innings...)

    A dirty minded person like SG can only bark after pathetic 101 (262 balls) in 2 years against all time weak Zim...

    he is a dirty mind person...he should not represent india...it is sports...no dirty play will be tollerated...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:34  

  • Shivam writes,
    "you mind is not working...bcoz when u support a liar, political minded and selfcentered person...you r bound to become mad..."

    Hmmmmm.........A shrink is on board!!!!

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:36  

  • let us stop this pro and anti SG debate with each other, we will wait till the test match starts and start once again.The test matches will be make it clear and prove who is right.

    Let us save our energy till then.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 14:36  

  • @tc,
    Well you go to sleep with all your good thoughts about SG, since he will surely show up in your dream!!!

    .. as for daily issues: do you think Kolkata has stopped working for SG? Get real. It seems you are the one who is loosing your sleep. I have never seen so much love and care :-))

    By Blogger SS, at 14:36  

  • ss,

    listen...he said that under RD he can play very well...during SL-Ind-WI series...after that you saw all his efforts to retain his captaincy...he speaks anything...I have seen his comments regarding everyone...he says RD is doing well...then he steps down from bangal's captain's post in the midnight soon after RD is selected...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:37  

  • I can see Shivam frothing at his mouth........LOL

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:38  

  • and bouncer,

    why have u chosen such a nick...SG will run away if u talk to him...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:38  

  • inoc.
    lso i have not participated in any of this pro anti SG debate previously

    well no wonder the tpoic is close to your heart..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:39  

  • all SG lovers r dirty minded...as the last episode was all againt national thinking...BCCI presidents comments, CM speaking, SG himself speaking too much about selection matters...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:39  

  • @tc,
    Can you tell if SG isso bad, how come he scored that century in AUS against AUS? What about peeing and all.

    Has SRT been peeing in the last 6 matcjes?

    Or for that, was RD counting his balls when he was in the middle for 8 mathces before NAGPUR?

    Everyone IS pathetic for a time period.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:40  

  • all SG lovers r dirty minded...as the last episode was all againt national thinking...BCCI presidents comments, CM speaking, SG himself speaking too much about selection matters...

    Shivam,

    count 100 to 1 backward and take some deep ones, that does wonders to high blood pressure, I heard

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:42  

  • @shivam,
    I did not get that. What is wrong with stepping down from Bengal captaincy? What is the conspiracy theory here?

    By Blogger SS, at 14:42  

  • Galguly talk is like this..

    Context is test spot..
    "I made more runs than Rahul Dravid.. took more wickets than.. bala bla.."

    lies lies lies..

    next day clarifications..

    "I was talking about the match against Zim and match against maharastra"..

    next after 2 ducks.
    "
    I am makeing lots of runs.. talking lot of wickets.."

    lies lies lies..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:43  

  • didn't you all saw him playing 51 (110 balls) and 101 (262 balls) and all domestic mathces playing just for himself? Is this game of cricket have become game of a single prince??

    all single digit scores and then these two pathetic innings...

    why then you support him...if you don't want to talk against him...fine...but plz don't support if you love game of cricket and the country...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:43  

  • at 11pm in the night of RD's selction as a captain speaks something I think...this means that he is plaing for himself even if you say that his intension was not to show any protest against the decision...

    A named captain should not step down in the midnight...just for the sake of game...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:45  

  • people from calcutta will support whoever they think is worthy of their support.
    as i said previously they supported kapil and mustaq ali when they thought injustice was done to them.
    they supported asif iqbal the day he retired with a standing ovation which he still mentions to this day even though he was instrumental in india not winning the test match.
    yes they support SG, becoz he has made them proud and it is very bad taste to generalise the whole of kolkata for cheap points in yopur silly arguments.
    anyway bye for now have to go

    By Blogger inoc, at 14:46  

  • "why then you support him...if you don't want to talk against him...fine...but plz don't support if you love game of cricket and the country.."

    this one cracks me up...... like a Bush crony attacking everyone's patriotism if he or she sees things differently

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:47  

  • @shivam,
    At least we did not loose winning chances because of him playing for too long. Compare with SRT in Sydney and Multan ( I guess)

    By Blogger SS, at 14:47  

  • tc and shivam - all i'm saying all of the Big 4 have gone through similar slumps in form (approx same number of innings).

    shivam - saying 16 instead of 9 and 3 instead of 2 doesen't make him a liar !! give him a breaks for all we know he might have been misquoted. also i didn't see the live video of the interview, so i don't know.

    about his match winning innings the last 3 years:

    1. 144 gabba - yes not match winning but definitely match saving and set up the series. we may have gone down 1-0 early.
    2. 120 odd in headingly in 2002. set up the game along with RD and SRT.
    3. 70 odd in WI in both innings. only he and VVS scored 70 odd in the 2nd innings. set up the win in that game.
    4. ODIs - 90 odd vs Eng natwest 3rd game last yr.

    may be more. but these came to mind instantly.

    So why is 101 of 262 that bad when a person is not in form !!! we still won the game in 3 12 games. no as if we lost valuable time or something !!

    what about SRT then 241(436) and 194(348) when he was not in form. Yes the attacks were better - Aus and Pak. Just pointing out that itz all the same when u r not in form.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 14:48  

  • how come a liar and non performer be supported by non bangalis? In fact he should be left alone in this world for his errogance, and lying...

    a self centered person can play those 51 and 101 runs innings...see his determination against weak teams...u will clearly understand for what purpose he is playing

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:48  

  • @shivam...but still I do not see any conspiracy against RD or Indian flag.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:49  

  • @ss , Please do not compare SG w.r.t SRT.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 14:49  

  • @ravi K, good points folk.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:50  

  • @cricket4..no I am not comparing them. I am just comapring situations.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:50  

  • ...actually GC has done more to divide the cricket fraternity in India than SG, and you folks are totally blind to him.

    By Blogger SS, at 14:52  

  • next shivam like Bush will say - "SG is Evil" - LOL

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 14:52  

  • ravi,

    u could not even find out more than 2-3 good performance even when u went in the past...his last MOM in ODIs (where he stands) was against Eng for 90 runs...that was 3rd match...series was a three match series...and was already decided....man it should not be so difficult to find a match winning innings for a decent player...how come you keep him as a leader then??

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:53  

  • ravi krishnan,

    saying 16 instead of 9 and 3 instead of 2 doesen't make him a liar

    then what does? it was reported consistently in all news papers and media..

    after these 4 knocks in 4 years, you serious about him being in Team India.. evenry one else has plenty of them to quote.. it will be a huge lst for RD/VS/VVS/SRT etc.. so SG' list is too small..

    that 144 in Gabba was not a great batting knock.. it just got highlighted because it was from somebody who you least expected it off..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:54  

  • I will take a divided cricket fraterinity any day.. instead of Bengali Blackmail for the sake of unity and an undeserving team spot..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:55  

  • let us be honest in the last 2 years SG did not play any innings (ODI and Test)worthy of remembering. He has definitely slipped in his performances.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 14:56  

  • @tc,
    144 was not a great knock?

    Even in these bad days of SG, journo's compared Tendu's first ODI knock against SL to that one, helping creating the base of a resurgent team. Before that, how many could think that we to can play that well in AUS ( after Kapil/SMG days).

    By Blogger SS, at 14:56  

  • Ravik:
    "70 odd in WI in both innings. only he and VVS scored 70 odd in the 2nd innings. set up the win in that game."

    Little correction.
    He only scores 70+ only in the second innings.

    Only VVS scored 50+ in both innings of that match and won MAN OF MATCH for the Inidian win.

    Just presenting the facts, no big deal.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 14:56  

  • tc - if it was not a great knock, then i wonder what is. india was reeling at 68/3 in the 1st test. it was a green track !!! i saw that innings and it was as good as RD's in headingly.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 14:57  

  • @tc...there you go again. Are you an anti-bong?

    By Blogger SS, at 14:57  

  • ss,

    let me tell you...most of the things which came in the email of GC, were being descussed and believed from very long back...his sudden injuries (nagpur test)...more than enough backing to particular players and not leading from front ever has costed a lot of matches to us...GC has not done anything...a player who is not playing well and india is losing in his captaincy...there is no hope around...in that case if he would have steped down or at least he would have accepted Rd's captaincy after RD was given the chance...then I would have loved him even when he was not performing...

    but either performance or sacrifice for the sake of team's betterment...something you have to show to be loved by all...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 14:58  

  • thanx ramshorns - as i said it was just from the top of my head. didn't go into cricinfo and chk it out.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 14:59  

  • Bongs are always very patriotic . They do not need any certification from anyone. But i feel they have
    gone littleoverboard w.r.t SG.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:01  

  • ss,

    I wonder how you people still favouring him...when he scored 144 long back in the amcient age...then also he was out of form and consulted chappell for help...that time too he was being criticised for him poor performance in test matches...that is 2002-03...only avg performance in ODIs were saing him from extra criticism...and when it is 2006 aout to come...still people are backing him...i am really surprized to see the tolerance limit of you people...you can remember one inning of a player and will be happy...what can happen to this country? when will we expect from our player to play like inzy...to make two consecutive centuries against Ashes winners and just pass a simple smile as if this is part of life for a 36 years old legend...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:03  

  • BTW, even though MoMs do mean a lot. Not winning a lot of MoMs doesen't mean SG has not contributed anything the last 3 years. For e.g., His 77 at Pindi supporting RD's 270 was quite important. even though obviously he can't get MoM for that.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:03  

  • but again the people who protested are in minority . they need not be taken seriously.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:05  

  • @shivam,
    I can see what you say. Even the greatest of player has to hang in the towel one day, but there is a way and method to talk about it.

    Let's take this scenario: do you think it will be fair if GC calls SRT this AM and tells that okay man, you have not been scoring fort the last 6 matches so you should give up your place in the team and go back. Let us not discuss how SRT will react to it. Let us understand will that be fair, given SRT's contribution to IND? I think your answer will be NO.

    When AK was dropped in WC matches, every senior member discussed things with him. They even included him in match discussions where he was not playing. this is called professionalism. GC is acting like a dictator who has taken over power by military coup and thrown SG out of his palace. This is unfair. And SG's unfair reaction does not look unfair in this background.

    By Blogger SS, at 15:06  

  • ONLY THIS FAN-CLUBS ARE SPOILING THE CRICKET IN INDIA..OTHERWISE WE COULD HAVE MANAGED MORE THAN ONE WC...WHY R U ALL FANS LIKE THAT....LOVE A PERSON WHEN HE PLAYS WELL...GIVE HIM ENOUGH CHANCE...BUT LOVE THE TEAM, THE COUNTRY AND NOT THE PERSON WHEN HE IS NOT ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TEAM...WHEN HE OPENS CAN GETS OUT IN 2MIN FROM LAST TWO YEARS...WHEN A PLAYER LOOKS GETTING OUT ON EACH DELIVERY...PLZ HATE HIM IN THAT CONDITION...THERE MUST BE SOME LIMIT TO THE SUPPORT FOR THE SAKE OF COUNTRY AND CRICKET...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:07  

  • shivam, that was not ancient time - it was 11 tests back. also u asked for match winning innings. he has had decent contributions even after that. 73 in MCG, 77 in pindi, 57 in kanpur.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:08  

  • shivam - your views don't become right just because u post in all CAPS - LOL

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:10  

  • @crick4all,
    They went overboard regarding Kapil, Mushtaq etc etc also. They went overboard when SMG and Ravi hai hai shastry killed India's chances of winning a match.

    Nothing much happened though, given the fact that he was the lone bong captain ( I agree Pankaj Roy was also captain ..but for one test only).

    By Blogger SS, at 15:10  

  • ravi krishnan:
    I am not saying SG did not perform at all. But when you say he supported RD for 270 with 77 then VVS played better and scored 75 when SG scores 144 at Brisbane. Many thought that 75 was the knock of the match. The point is apart from these little supporting knocks you need to have the punchline knocks like a VVS has or a RD has or a SRT has. I think SG had that missing.

    Having said that he deserves credit for the way he lead from 2000-2004(Pak tour). I will give him that.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 15:12  

  • SS,

    i agree with you...but looking at SG's prolonged slump....someone else would have retired or at least would have waited for more time before crying for a come back after 101 runs...

    people talk about treatment and graceful exit of a legend like SG, but to get that graceful exit he himself has to grab that graceful moment...

    but the thing is that he thinks that 101 (262 balls against Zim) is good enough to say that I am back in the form...a legend should wait...he speaks too much and speaks pointless...that is why i have started thinking against him...I was also his fan long back...but when an out of form players compares himself with a player like RD who is at the peak of his career just to show that he is also at the peak...then it becomes intolerable

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:13  

  • @ss : Nobody is greater than the Team India. say if SRT fails continously even he should be dropped. GC wants everybody should be taken out from their Comfort zone. that is what he has accomplished so far.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:15  

  • ravi,

    so SG is in form...he is the best batsman in the world at the moment...alright?

    His ICC ODI ranking = 37
    and ICC TEST ranikng = 43
    is crap...a agree with you...now going to sleep...i m in india...and can't talk to you if you think he is at the peak of his career...

    oh now he has miraculously tranformed into an all rounder...it's time to cel;ebrate...he will be ranked after flintoff very soon...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:18  

  • diff between SG and SRT is that...even when SG is thrown out he played all politics to come back...and suppose SRT performs so badly as SG has been performing he will himself pull out as he did during Zim tour and during super series...

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:20  

  • @shivam,
    I think I posted in another blog that the trouble with Kapil and SG that they talk too much. Actually it was all fine when SG was keeping low and avoiding reporters. He even told one day that 'don;t stand in the sun. I am not going to say anythinig'.

    but I think he also got tired of waiting himself too!! The way Kiran Moe was going exacting revenge for the Kale incident, I think may be he though that he is really totally out of any comeback chance. That may have prompted him to start talking again.

    Let us be fair. Indian cricket is too swamped with good people that if one vanishes, there will not be a trace after one season. If we can absorb retirement of SMG and KD and the likes and move on to loose Azhar ( still playing well), then everyone would like to push his last days as much as possible because 'out of sight is out of mind'. I believe that's all that is going on here.

    I seriously doubt SG is a kind of person who will weave devious plot against hos own team members. those things are a stretch.

    By Blogger SS, at 15:20  

  • ramshorn - i agree. Of course IMO, SG is 4th in the Big 4. SRT, RD, VVS, SG. all i'm saying is he can't be shown the door for a form slump lasting 10-12 innings, because the other 3 in the Big 4 have had similar slumps. Also it is tough to have punchline knocks playing at no. 6, unless u r someone like steve waugh ;)

    VVS 281 was when he batted at no.3, yes he had 2 100s in Aus supporting SRT and RD and 70 supporting SG. SRt and RD bat at 4 and 3. so it is not idelaly a fair comparison.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:21  

  • @crick: I wish you and I stay on this blog for the upcoming PAK/WI days and see how GC performs in case things turn bad. Under SG/JW, we have seen how the team came out many dark moments, lead by SG from the front.

    By Blogger SS, at 15:24  

  • shivam - r u crazy. check all my previous posts. did i ever say that he's in form ?!? i'm saying y angst against SG when SRT, RD and VVS have gone through similar form slumps and were still playing in the national team..... u tell me that ?!?

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:24  

  • also shivam - i never said he's the best batsman in the world. look who's the liar now ?!? and u call SG a liar....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:25  

  • @ravi, strange as it may sound, I have also said the same thing but came against THE WALL ( pun intended :-))

    By Blogger SS, at 15:26  

  • @Shivam: at the end of the Zim test series SG had option of quitting the captaincy gracefully.
    After that he lost it forever.

    It is better for Team india that he got selected for the team and he will be fully exposed of his shortcomings in the Srilanka or England series and then that would hasten his retirement and end of this debate of his form.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:26  

  • @ss, that is true. i will be there.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:28  

  • @crick,
    End of ZIM season..in the middle of GC riot? That was suerly not a time to retire with all the allegations.

    By Blogger SS, at 15:28  

  • @ss, he had the option of atleast giving up. now he was stripped of the captaincy.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:30  

  • yea exactly - it would've been even worse. but SG is a fighter. no way he's going to fail now. will be interesting to see in GC plays him in the XI for the 1st test....

    doube edged sword - if he's in the 11 and scores a 100, he can't be dropped. if he's not in the 11, he can't be dropped for 2nd test. what will GC do ;)

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:30  

  • only hope for GC is play him in the 11 and hope he fails ;)

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:31  

  • @ravi k .. SG won't be playing GC on the cricket field. It is his inadequacies in dealing with shortball that would hasten his failure.

    By Blogger Crick4all, at 15:34  

  • RAVI,

    ASSUMING THAT RD IS PASSING THROUGH THE PEAK OF HIS CAREER, HERE IS THE COMPARISON OF RD/SRT...IF THEY TWO GOOD ENOUGH THEN YOUR QUERY IS ANSWERED...


    As for a comparison in last 50 ODI's between sachin and dravid

    Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

    Sachin 50 2162 152 46.00 5 13 30 5/50 30.20 1 14 0
    Dravid 50 1756 104 43.90 3 15 - - - - 32 3

    Performance in last 50 matches india lost

    Sachin 50 1986 146 39.72 5 11 28 4/56 41.14 0 12 0
    Dravid 50 1481 103* 32.19 1 10 - - - - 27 4

    Performance in last 50 matches india won

    Sachin 50 2288 152 53.20 6 13 24 5/50 28.58 1 13 0
    Dravid 50 1916 109* 56.80 3 18 - - - - 43 5

    Performance in second innings in last 50 matches

    Sachin 50 1009 141 43.86 1 8 20 5/50 26.50 1 7 0
    Dravid 50 689 82 36.26 0 6 - - - - 15 1

    So Sachin has really outscored Dravid in most of the departments except in last 50 matches india won.In that too his performance has been commendable. when i talk of 50 matches it means from arnd jan 2004 for sachin and a bit later for dravid.
    And I think 50 matches is a good enough comparision because you don't judge a player on recent form like 10 or 15 matches which anyways haven't been that bad for sachin either

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:36  

  • maybe, maybe not. he's played 84 tests after all and has an avg of 41. we'll see soon anyways.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:36  

  • Shivam,

    pal, I know it is so frustrating for you. No doubt you have the best interest of India in your heart. But don't accuse others of not caring for India if they don't agree with you. And by the way, all capital letters, unsubstantiated charges against SG, screaming and repeating the same thing over and over again do not really compensate for lack of rational arguments. Tell you what, we live in a free conutry. So we will support whoever we would like to support. And since today is Thanksgiving, it would be a really nice idea to say thanks to SG for all the wonderful things he has done for our country.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 15:39  

  • shivam - my point is SRT, RD, VVS HAVE GONE THROUGH similar form slump. They are NOT GOING THROUGH similar form slumps.

    SRT< RD and VVS were not sropped during those form slump. So why SG ?!?

    Also look at VVS avg after the AUs series. It is less than SG's.

    Hope u get my point.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:40  

  • I meant away Aus tour.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:42  

  • anyways it late man, go to sleep. we can continue tomorrow :D

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 15:43  

  • shivam and some others:

    points of clarification for you based on your posts:

    SG's claim of nearly 1000 runs -he said 16 tests i believe. Count the 16 tests he played (this will include the brisbane test against Aus and the home test against NZ where he scored centuries -- the total is 900+), so he was not lying.

    Secondly, 3 centuries in first class matches. If you discount the county season, SG had 3 centuries in first class matches --we all know about the zimbabwe match and the duleep century. the other century comes in the last first class match for bengal before the sri lanka ODI series (when RD was first appointed captain when SG was serving a ban). So it is not a lie as you claim --you may question the timeframe that SG has referenced in choosing the 3 centuries but SG may counterclaim that his 3 first class centuries (excluding county) are all within the same year.

    the 14-15 wickets is inaccurate. And its hard to say he repeated the claim incessantly --the way the media works is that they will take one comment and repeat it over and over because it provides for cricket related stories in several contexts. Plus with so many media channels, 1 comment will be regurgitated.

    As far as pulling out of nagpur, you might choose to see the discussion abt Nagpur in the "Discussion group" section of this blog.

    Finally captaincy and exiting from it. SG had expressed his wish (not explicit but strong hints) to step down after the zimbabwe series (vernacular papers reported it). This was during the first test against zimbabwe. He changed his mind after GC fired off that email and it became public.

    Bengal captaincy -- he did not want to captain in the duleep trophy, had said so to CAB but was persuaded to continue. He has been talking about grooming young guns for the captaincy much before his resignation. He also told CAB before the current ranji match that he wanted Deep Dasgupta to be the captain and he finally submitted his resignation. Also I fail to see how this is connected to his place in the Indian team or his captaincy of the Indian team.

    Hope this helps.

    By Blogger kban1, at 16:27  

  • Some thing spicy. Indian selection meeting.


    http://www.hindu.com/2005/11/25/stories/2005112508742100.htm

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 16:29  

  • kban - good one

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 16:34  

  • Rams, From hindu article

    "It's also come to light that Roy and Yashpal were against inclusion of V. V. S. Laxman and that it's at the instance of Dravid — who said it will be unfair to drop Laxman, an automatic choice, from the list of seven batsmen — that the Hyderabadi's place in the 15-member squad was ensured."

    What the f*** is this? Indian cricket will suffer as long as these kind of things keep happening. Nobody can save us:-). What do you think?

    By Blogger squarecut, at 16:42  

  • Inzamam's enduring presence at the crease presented England with a dilemma in the morning session, as Vaughan made abundantly clear by turning down the option of the new ball. "It was always going to be difficult once the target got near 240-250, on a last-day wicket, against those kind of bowlers," he said. "We tried to put them under pressure in the first six overs, but once that had gone, it was a matter of delaying the declaration and make sure we batted the least amount of overs as possible."


    That statement raised the intriguing possibility that Andrew Strauss's grievous miss at midwicket, when Inzamam had made 79, was all part of a cunning plan. "I think they were 245 ahead at that stage, and with the possibility of only 60 overs, it was going to be tough," said. "Our best opportunity was to get Inzamam last night, when Freddie was running in and reversing it. We didn't get that, so today was a good day to get the draw."

    Isin't this tantamount to match fixing !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 16:44  

  • can we throw out these dumb selectors please !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 16:45  

  • ravi:
    They will be thrown out regardless. Their term is up on the 29th. Hopefully the replacements are not dumb. That could be wishful thinking again.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 16:49  

  • Squarecut:
    This is not new. Nothing new to Indian cricket at all. This has been always happening. Guys without voice and backing be will sacpegoats. Keeping SG aside the nerve of the guys to consider Kaif and Yuvraj ahead of Laxman. They are out of their mind. I mean Kaif/YS are not exactly setting the world on fire with thier average ODI performances.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 16:53  

  • @ravi,
    I agree they are dumb about VVS. But weren't many thanking them for being great in the past ODI series?

    By Blogger SS, at 16:53  

  • Rams, I knew this is not new but to drop VVS to accomadate SG is unbelievable.

    With new selection commitee somebody else will suffer.
    This is all just f***ing politics which is screwing up
    players careers.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 16:56  

  • ss, if they do good job they will get kudos but VVSL thinbg is plain sickening. Let the prince come and sscrew up the team with his attitude. I guess he will score a scratchy 50 and will play for another couple of series.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 16:59  

  • ss - that is true. it seems wierd that selectors can do a good job and few days later can do such dumb things. makes one wonder if they're indeed the real "selectors" !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:04  

  • Squarecut, SS, Ravi, others:
    I would love to get into this and dicuss . The thing is I am on the way out of the door. My wife and kids are waiting. My nature is I cannot stop once I get into it. Hence I will refrain getting into discussions now. My be later in the night. Bye for now.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 17:05  

  • alrite - later man. enjoy your day :D

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:05  

  • RAMS, have fun catch u later

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:07  

  • i doubt if SG will be selected after this series if he doesen't average over 50 and scores at least one 100....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:08  

  • IMO, both VVS and SG deserve to be in the XI as of now.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:09  

  • ravi, just a 50 is enough for SG in the first test and
    if JD gang wins the elections then he can't be touched.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:10  

  • ravi, i agree but SG has serious attitude problems. hope he has changed for good.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:11  

  • Namashkaar everyone,
    although never posted here before but have been following interesting posts of U all since the begening of Chappel-Ganguly brickbats.
    have one thing to say, with Gangs will be there in the final 11, and quite possible that he may score a slow painful 50 (if Vaas and co dont knock him down with short pitch stuff), and retain his place for the next 2-3 games. but the real test will be when he plays england if he lasts that long. my point everyone is not SMG, to quit when still in peak form. what happened to with KD? Vengsarkar and Shastri? they were shown the door. Gangs missed the bus already, he should have gracefully steped down after playing with Pakis at home. now he does not have a choice but face redicule of all and sundry. sad thing is that with this his minuses have overshadowed his plusses. I guess media is to be blamed for most part.

    cd

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:16  

  • I guess that is true - depends on who wins the elections, if it takes place at all....

    Yu, I hope he's changed. I love watching the in-form SG. was the best player of spin, murders them....

    i just wonder how the non-contracted players are being paid, since the new contract has not been signed and lot of the players who have come in recently are not under contract ?!?

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:16  

  • According to Hindu report...GC is learning Indian politics of selection. Pranoy Roy stuck a deal with Sharmas (this may go to SG and JD)....money will be paid....and get some other benefits...SG is a history...100% guaranteed to score less than 20 in each innings. RD will not be foolish to give bowling chance...Lankans will feast on it.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 17:18  

  • Oh well, depends on how the player feels. he feels he can still contribute substantially to indian cricket. u never know. maybe he might. we can't make that judgement. The player has to.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:20  

  • rajg - can u post the link to the hindu report, which says this thing about money ?!?

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:22  

  • ravi, don't expect SG to cart Murali. Forget about sixes if he can survive that would be great. SG lifting spinners at will was before 2002 or 2001 I think.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:22  

  • ravi,
    why hould SG be selected if he does not score at 50+ avg?

    Indian cricket is now run based on performance and no more on SG/JD whims

    By Blogger J, at 17:24  

  • ravi, best thing for SG is to score a hundred against SL and retire gracefully just like Naser Hussain did.

    Eng and Pakis will sort him very easily.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:24  

  • squarecut - i just wish, hope, dream ;) i guess both of us would to see that. even though it is a dream at this point....

    j - i said he won't be selected after this series if he doesen't average over 50.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:27  

  • SQRCUT, are U kiddin? SG score 100? I think Vaas and co are much better than Zimbabway and D, painfully! yes.uleep team bowlers? so like i said before he missed the bus, cant exit gracefully now

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:29  

  • square cut - If you know that Eng and Pakis will sort then what the hell is point in his selection in team? This is what chappel has been saying but then again, this is Indian cricket after all.

    By Blogger J, at 17:30  

  • SQRCUT, are U kiddin? SG score 100? I think Vaas and co are much better than Zimbabway and Duleep team bowlers? so like i said before he missed the bus, cant exit gracefully now,painfully! yes.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:30  

  • oh well, who know. SG is a fighter. he may be back to form after all.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:33  

  • Not just england pakis, even kenyan have sorted out SG, only he has to face them now, and we all can see then

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:33  

  • rajG - Type carefully. Its pranab Roy not Pranoy Roy ( NDTV chief)

    Poor Pranab. He must have sold his wife jewellery as well to buy out Sharmas. If he goes back to Calcutta without SG in the team, he would have been lynched by *crazy* section of Bengalis led by their CM

    By Blogger J, at 17:33  

  • rajg - don't just dream up something and post it....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:34  

  • cool dude, Yes I am kidding. Its just a wish so that everybody don't need to waste so much time on SG:-)
    he will leave the scene gracefully and we all will be in peace.

    J, as I said earlier if he retires at the end of SL series that is well and good for him. If he don't he won't find a single supporter. I am not sure what exactly he wants to prove:-)

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:34  

  • does W-bengal CM have no other job? and whats this legislature ding taking out 'shav yatra' of GC aqnd more? I thought bongs are smater than that.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:37  

  • for one - he wants to prove all his critics wrong that he is wrong. which is why he won't retire if he scores a 100 and/or averages over 50 in this series.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:38  

  • for one - he wants to prove all his critics wrong. which is why he won't retire if he scores a 100 and/or averages over 50 in this series. just to prove that he has lot more to offer to indian cricket.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:41  

  • sorry about the typos.
    we already lost one game to rain, just hope that these crazy bongs dont spoil the game tomorrow. i am worried b'coz even the security guys are bongs, atleast some of them U can expect are a buch of those mindlessly crazy SG fans.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:42  

  • ravi, lets accept SG is on decline since Aus home series and at this stage of the career he can't rectify his weakness against short pitch stuff. anything he scores now will be pure luck and he can't sustain that.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:45  

  • Ravi Krishnan, the problem is he just wishes that he can prove his critics wrong, but hat wish has to be supposted with some talent and ability which SG lost some 2 yrs ago. for Gangs its all over, who knows after this SL series he might even loose these crazy bong fans. along with gangs the selectors should drop pronob roy from selection commitee.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:47  

  • cool dude,

    No. WB CM has no other job than being the CM. :-)

    By Blogger bouncer, at 17:48  

  • Squarecut says,
    "at this stage of the career he can't rectify his weakness against short pitch stuff. anything he scores now will be pure luck and he can't sustain that"

    I say SG never rectified his weakneses and rode his luck all along. What a luck it was!
    Let's count on some more of it.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 17:52  

  • bouncer, i meant threatening to boycotting the game and what not. by his statements he is also trying to evoke more rediculus actions from crazy bongs.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:52  

  • squarecut - only time will tell whether SG's form slump is a decline or a temporary blip. or rather SL series will tell.

    cool dude - yes i hope he can convert his wishes into some runs - not in a painstaking way, but more like how he used before.

    about this selectors:
    1. abolish this honorary position. give it as a job and make them accountable
    2. remove zonal selectors crap - select 2 or 3 highly qualifies people.
    Unfortunately this will never happen.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:52  

  • cool dude,

    so WB CM asked for boycotting the match? Are you sure? Where did you read that? Care to share?

    By Blogger bouncer, at 17:53  

  • bouncer, may be against SL he might survive. Eng bowlers will stand in queue to get his wicket.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:53  

  • ravi , do you atleast agree that SG is a bunny for fast bowlers all around the world.

    If you are still hopeful that he will do well against eng that is more than a wishful thinking. Its better for Indian cricket that he retires gracefully and some
    able young player fill his shoes.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 17:56  

  • btw, all of u r forgetting that only now in the last 2 years, SG is cornered and will lose his place if he doesen't score. he's a fighter. So whether u like it or not, i'm 100% sure hes going to score quite wlel in this series.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 17:58  

  • ravi, few weeks ago i read in rediff or somewhere, that now the plan is to abolish this zonal selection system and make it to a 3 man commitee. Did't SMG promote this idea? bringing jon wright was a start towords a change in the indian cricket, so may be some day we will see this zonal syatem done away. then again just like SG's batting we will have to wait patiently and painstakingly for this.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 17:58  

  • he's been a bunny against all bowling (pace, spin) for last 10-15 test innings because of his poor form.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 18:00  

  • ravi, don't you think 2 years is a longtime in cricket and he is extending his use by date.

    c'mon he can't play decently against medium fast bowling. If he comes good against SL that is good for him but don't expect too much against Eng/Pak.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 18:00  

  • bouncer, to share the link, i will have to go back and search either in the 'the statesman' or ananda bazaar patrika archives. well i did not believe either, but did not prem post same thing in the blog sometime back?

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 18:02  

  • squarecut,

    that's why you play, and not give away a win or loss based on pre-game analysis of 500 million fans. If we knew everything before a game is played, who will score how much, who will flop, who will win etc. etc., we don't really need to play, right? So be patient, you will definitely find out

    By Blogger bouncer, at 18:03  

  • Cool dude,

    so that is what you need to do before you write stuff about people. You make sure that the facts are right. WB CM never said anything about boycotting the game, it was a bunch of filmstars, and one Urban development minister.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 18:05  

  • squarecut - when do u think the form slump actually started? - after pak away series? i.e. beginning of last season, i.e. July 2004. so technically it is 1 yr 4 months, not 2 years. even there in that 1 yr 4 months, don't look at the timeline, but no. of test innings he's played - 10 innings in 7 tests.

    u r not saying he's been a fast/medium bowler's bunny throughout his career, r u ?!?

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 18:07  

  • bouncer, in one of those news papers it was reported as CM and i think prem posted that it was Urban development minister.

    By Blogger Cool Dude, at 18:08  

  • Ravi, He weakness was exposed in onedays when bouncer rule was allowed and he was at his peak at the time. Gradually every team used that very well.

    During Aus series in Aus few of former Aus greats told him he can't rectify it because of the way he plays and he has to live with it.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 18:13  

  • Ravi, of the top four(SRT,RD,VVSL,SG)
    SG's batting avg is around 38 since 2001 and the rest has more than 50. what excatly does this say?

    By Blogger squarecut, at 18:15  

  • ah come on. we are talking about test matches here. bouncers were always allowed in tests.....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 18:15  

  • SG was never considerded a great batsmen in tests.
    If you think so thats fine you are entitled to do that.

    He was a great in one dayers before his prolonged form
    dip.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 18:18  

  • it shows he's the 4th among the big Four :D

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 18:19  

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