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Friday, November 25, 2005

Harsha on Sourav

Harsha Bhogle's latest column looks at the inclusion of Sourav Ganguly in the Indian Test squad.
Producers of films faced similar problems too and came up with a solution that works for them. When they have a star with a small role to play, he cannot be top of the credits nor can he, therefore, be the third or fourth name. Some get by with a “guest appearance or special appearance” but my favourite is where the title sequence reaches a climax, the music, the drums, reach a crescendo, the screen goes momentarily blank and then suddenly gets filled with “and above all, Dharmendra!”
India’s selectors seemed to have done that; picked 14 and “above all, Sourav Ganguly”.

75 Comments:

  • Joke in Deccan Chronicle...

    "Dad! An all-rounder should be good at batting, fielding, bowling, lobbying... "

    By Blogger Rajg, at 11:36  

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    By Blogger Zen, at 11:36  

  • Prem,
    Has Harsh told yet who told him first that SG and GC had a spat?

    By Blogger SS, at 11:55  

  • RD is an allrounder...He lobbied hard with selectors to give him captaincy.. although he lost the ODI series against PAK this year after taking over at 2-2..now he is losing badly to SA...RD can only win with crowd support at Bangalore..he will shiver when he faces partisan crowds in pakistan.. or maybe he will hide behind that mad scientist GC

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 12:03  

  • Did anyone here see the way Chappell gestured at the protesting Kolkatta fans (Sourav fans) ?

    By Blogger niti, at 12:05  

  • This was when he and the other team members were getting into the team bus. It looked very distasteful...

    By Blogger niti, at 12:08  

  • Recently picked up stories from another site

    Behaviour of Calcutta fans:

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200511252126.htm

    Ganguly’s selection a crying shame:

    http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14019939

    By Blogger G285, at 12:13  

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    By Blogger niti, at 12:14  

  • Niti :

    What was the incident ?

    Arpan

    By Blogger Arpan K Chowdhury, at 12:15  

  • Chappell and the team members were getting into the team bus and there were some fans protesting. Chappell gestured from the window at the people outside. This happened yesterday.

    By Blogger niti, at 12:17  

  • g285:
    Ganguly has also been jeered at in parts of India. Ravi has been jeered at many places. Gavaskar was bboed at Cal for his slow batting. What's so bad about it. Sports fanatics are like that only..all over. Forgot Ahmedabad?

    By Blogger SS, at 12:18  

  • ..GC made a distasteful gesture with his right hand. So much for the class of th coach of team India. I guess that hand is now inside his own ***hole.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:19  

  • Madan Lal also said that what happened was quite wrong and that Chappell should apologize... a player is punished if he misbehaves - what about the coach then ?

    By Blogger niti, at 12:20  

  • niti :

    Curious, I haven't seen that part. What he did ? Showing middle finger or sort ?

    By Blogger Arpan K Chowdhury, at 12:21  

  • Whatever Chappell did...the fans deserve it.

    Unpatriotic fans.

    Did you guys know that -- Sourav fans performed 'shraadh' of Chappel and More
    http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=56738

    Another interesting story:

    Two Minutes of Silent Protest Planned by CricketWatchdogs.com


    In case you missed, here is the latest sensational bowling performance by BCCI’s selection committee:

    0.1-0-0-1 billion

    That’s 1 billion wickets in a single delivery, which went like this - “We consider Ganguly as an allrounder, that's why Zaheer Khan has missed out”

    What?

    Two minutes of virtual silence to protest the latest deception in Indian cricket – The Batting Allrounder

    Where?

    http://www.CricketWatchdogs.com

    When?

    November 28, 2005, five minutes into the innings break of 5th ODI between India & S. Africa (about 6 pm Indian Time)

    What would happen?

    - www.CricketWatchdogs.com forums will be unavailable for 2 minutes

    - You are requested to sit down with hands against your foreheads as a gesture of disrespect and hopelessness

    - Do not think about the future of Indian cricket during this period

    - If you are in the vicinity of fans supporting the selection committee’s decision, you are advised to keep a safe distance from them. Do not - we repeat, Do not - turn the other cheek.

    - After the silence period is over, fans are invited to log on and express their opinions in “Batting Allrounder” thread. Everybody is encouraged to post something, even if it is just a word, as we will be publishing “I Was There” list.

    - Our moderators and administrators will be on duty to deal with any eventualities

    By Blogger G285, at 12:22  

  • those calcutta goons are no fans. I have no sympathy on guys who performed last rites on a person who is still living.
    On top of it a communist was involved ...so much for objective thinking.

    By Blogger G285, at 12:25  

  • Double standards everywhere... While SG's 'give-it-all' attitude is construed by his detractors as 'ungentlemanly' [as if that above everything else was the most important consideration in any competitive sport... even cricket?!?], the selection and subsequent behaviour of under-arm-chappel is seen, by the same SG/Bengali-baiters, as tough and sporting... BOOooOOooOO!!!!!!

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 12:26  

  • g285..got to be kidding man. last rites of Sonia/Manmohan/Bajpayee have been perfromed all over the country for a long time!!! You think those are unpatriotic people?

    Do you think some Aussie a**hole who sends in IP as opening bat is patriotic? That f****er with his technical mumbo-jumbi will ruin us, and we will keep fighting when Rome will burn.

    By Blogger SS, at 12:27  

  • g285 :

    I absolutely agree. This is shameless.

    But saying so, I am sure, you don't consider this a black against Saurav himself. Like a fan of Steffi, stabbed Monica, I am sure, both Steffi & monica will not support this kind of thing. Also by doing this, they are making Saurav's fight even tougher. Saurav knows this better than anybody.

    What is going on, now is a real chaos.

    By Blogger Arpan K Chowdhury, at 12:28  

  • SS:

    Yes, I think those calcutta fans who clapped when Indians got out are unpatriotic fans. The Dalmiya guy who asked the man responsible for preparing the wicket to prepare a seaming wicket is unpatriotic...

    aussie a@@hole? then ganguly is what? making entry thru backdoor via recommendations...may be some money exchanged between dalmiya-Ganguly and the three selectors who told us that ganguly is selected as a batting all-rounder? what a bunch of liers.

    Arpan - agree with you. In a way..as of now and the future..Ganguly is not good for Indian cricket and you will see more Chaos because of him.

    By Blogger G285, at 12:34  

  • arpan:
    The TV footage wasn't too clear but it did seem like it.

    By Blogger niti, at 12:42  

  • start-rant
    i think we shouldn't read too much into what a few 'fans' in kolkotta did during the past few days. even if the number involved is more than a few, one should consider the 'mob mentality' when passing a judgement on the people. in my first year in college, more than 150 guys used to cram into a small room to watch ODIs and once even broke furniture in their excitement. most of the people were only laughing when all this happened without realising that it would look utterly foolish to someone observing the group. so, if it's a small bunch of guys doing it, ignore them as it's only a few. if it appears that a larger group is involved, think of it as mob mentality and ignore it.
    end-rant

    By Blogger Chetan Reddy, at 12:45  

  • Interesting article by Harsha!!

    I believe in Ganguly as much as I believe in myself. I am sure he will do well, and the morons who seem to forget how well he has played in past ten years will be silenced.

    Prem: I expected a comment about his 159! Also about 202 not out from Brian Lara; my heart always goes out for him. To play such innings with so much character, and almost no support from other teammates requires talent of hghest order. Hats off to him!

    By Blogger Vivek, at 12:48  

  • Prem, that is a nicely writer article.
    It is unfortunate that you could not select a better para to give the flavour.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 12:49  

  • Greg Chappell needs to be sacked immediately..first he made baseless allegations against the Captain..even pressurized Harbhaja, Yuvraj and Sehwag to desert SG..now his behavior at Calcutta is appalling..we should have Indian Coach for WC 2007..not an Aussie traitor who has failed miserably with his continuos experiments (jointly with a meek Dravid)

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 12:52  

  • Folks, there are some people who don't support the current management. Whether these people like it or not, the arrangement is here to stay. I had say forget the loss, learn the lessons and move on. It is not as if India has not lost before.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 12:52  

  • Laloo was booted out this week, GC will be thrown out next week ...after another huge loss at Mumbai...

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 12:53  

  • "how well he has played in past ten years will be silenced???"

    what how well he played?? If you take test matches, he has got poor records against teams that have pace bowlers. Do you know his batting average against Pak, SA, Aus and WI? Ganguly type players have fitness, catching, fielding and running between the wickets issues which fall under fundmentals of Cricket. How do you fit such a player?

    The greatest contribution that Saurav made his that he brought in players and made them play as a team. He backed them up and did good things around team management. That is a thing of the past. Now he is worried about his own position and blocking some of the upcoming younstars. All the things that is said and done to bring him into the team is a clear indicator that he does not deserve a place in the team based on performances.

    By Blogger G285, at 12:57  

  • Dalmiya is losing the elections. That is why Dalmiya played politics by moving the selection date 2 weeks in advance to make sure that Ganguly is selected. Batting all-rounder...what a shame and a sham. Can such thing happen if it were our own company and millions of dollars are at stake?

    By Blogger G285, at 12:59  

  • G285 says

    "The Dalmiya guy who asked the man responsible for preparing the wicket to prepare a seaming wicket is unpatriotic..."


    So we need the right kind of pitch for us to win. Really, what kind of pitch do we need to win. May be we should give money to all other countries to prepare the right kind of pitch, so that we can win and beat our chest. The Eden pitch most of the time has been a sporting pitch. What I read from report, it was not a fast pitch - in fact the balls were bouncing low. If you wrongly accuse Dalmia as unpatriotic for the pitch what would you say about Dungarpur who had a unusually fast pitch built in Nagpur for Australia. He must be patriotic because he calls Harbhajan chucker because he came out in support of Ganguly. He even uses choicest words for Gavaskar. Senile, power-hungry Dungarpur must be patriotic as many of us want his crony to win to bring a change in BCCI.

    G285 says

    "may be some money exchanged between dalmiya-Ganguly and the three selectors who told us that ganguly is selected as a batting all-rounder?"


    Neither Dalmiya, who is a successful businessman himself, needs money nor Ganguly will give anybody. G285 may be himself used to the corruption culture but her we are talking about Ganguly who with others worked hard to clean Indian team after match-fixing mess under Azhar and patriotic Dungarpur whom we want to bring back again for good of Indian cricket, I mean to keep Ganguly away.

    It shows what sort of scheming minds we have. Each king schemed with British against the other for petty reason and in the end we lost India to British. Each of us keeps on having personal petty interest in his favorite cricket star and want to see another out for personal success of his favorite star. In the end, Indian cricket loses.

    By Blogger dave_dj, at 13:04  

  • Well ..Dave_DJ...these dravidian fans like Dungarpur are big traitors ...and also slimy hypocrites.

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 13:12  

  • G285..Ganguly has the best average against SA among Indian batsmen(57.0)..better stop talking rubbish...

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 13:14  

  • Guys
    Now enough of this dissections of the Kolkata debacle. No denying a old fashioned butt kicking by the SA's. Now we know that GC/RD are in a experimentation mode. I would want to see Suresh Raina been brought in for the 5th games and throw him to the wolves and see what this kid has. I have a good feeling about him. Some of his cricketing strokes I have seen are breathtaking ala a VVS or a SRT. This is the time to rest SRT and give him a week or so to prepare for the test series. I know that is not going to happen, but would somehow love to see Raina batting at no3 or 4 in a pressure situation. Now we lost the chance of winning the series anyways. Let us try someone new and continue with the experimentation now that we are doing it anyways. Your thoughts????

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 13:15  

  • Ramshorns:I think what SRT needs desperately is some time in the middle before the Chennai test.The ideal thing would have been a Ranji game.But its too late for that so he has to play the next game.Raina in place of Gambhir would be a good idea.I would also go back to the SRT-VS opening combo.

    By Blogger AR, at 13:18  

  • Vivek:

    Hers is Panicker's repsonse to Lara's knock.. That you are keen
    -----------------------------------
    ramshorns: Exactly what I once posted in here, when the discussion of batting came up. Of all the batsmen in the world, and that includes SRT, there is no player I would rather watch, when in flow, than Lara. It is like watching a guy do the tap dance on a high wire above Niagara Falls -- spectacular, breathtaking, and not for the faint-hearted. Has to be the most thrilling spectacle in world cricket -- and when the curtain goes up, you try and push out of your mind the failures in between, the open comments from colleague after colleague of his selfishness and all else. I reckon, what the hell, I dont have to marry the bloke, just watch him when he is dancing

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 13:22  

  • Check out Ganguly's test records before you tell me that he averages 57. Only in your dream he will average 57.

    Regarding pitch: Yeah right...we need more of seaming wickets. that is a good one day wicket.

    Money: If you cant pick up the saracasm...sorry.

    By Blogger G285, at 13:23  

  • Besides, the 50 lakh cheque at the end of the day, not to mention various other endorsements would be too lucrative for even GOD to let go, methinks!

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 13:23  

  • ar:
    I think SRT is an experienced enough player. Look at his comeback knock against SL. I think it does not matter. I don't think he will sit though in front of his home crowd. I do not like to bench GG. Would rather have VS sit instead. But just curious to see Raina. That's all.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 13:33  

  • R. Mohan on Asian Age:

    Pitch was a Gift to South Africa

    http://www.asianage.com/main.asp?layout=2&cat1=8&cat2=71&newsid=194763&RF=DefaultMain

    By Blogger G285, at 13:39  

  • G285..we are not discussing tests here but todays' ODI against SA..in any case, I checked cricinfo and confirmed in ODI's Ganguly has the best record among Indian batsmen. He has batting avg of 54(not 57) and avg of 45 against windies....with 3 centuries and 17 fiftiess..stop farting around with SG's reputation that he only scores against Zim and BD.....OK?

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 13:40  

  • ramshorns; thanks for posting it. Lara really is the brightest star in the galaxy of batsmen. The comment is as a beautifully worded as possible.

    About Ganguly's performance against a range of opposition, go check his records, his innings against the best have been as beautiful as against the worst teams. Do the same math for most other players. By that token, Lara is by far the greatest batsman alive, and as I had posted earlier, Laxman's average against Australia should make him a permanent fixture in Indian team!

    By Blogger Vivek, at 13:44  

  • SJ - I clearly said in my original post about test matches. I was replying Vivek who made a generic comment how well SG has played in the last 10 years. His test match record is poor against those four countries (over 9 years, averages 30 or less than 30) and SG averages 31 in one-days since one-bouncer per over rule was introduced. So you stop f**** and start facing the truth.

    By Blogger G285, at 13:52  

  • Now Raj Singh (Nagpur hero) talks about Dalmiya on Pitch situation. Thank God Dravid did not pull of the match siting some fake injury.

    "With the BCCI elections scheduled for end-November, who was responsible for the greentop is not known. Most members of the ruling Dalmiya-Mahendra group were meeting at the stadium as the match went on. No one wanted to go on record on the pitch.
    Raj Singh Dungarpur, former BCCI president and Dalmiya baiter, claimed, "This is Dalmiya’s handiwork to ensure that Ganguly plays in the Tests. Dalmiya would love to see Dravid and Chappell getting booed. These are the tricks of his trade."
    The incident was a replay of Nagpur 2004. Then captain Sourav Ganguly, trailing Australia 0-1 in the four-Test series, found grass on the Vidarbha Cricket Association stadium pitch, reputedly Sharad Pawar’s bailiwick. He pulled out on the morning of the match, blaming it on abdominal strain, but the then team physio, Andrew Leipus, blamed a thigh strain. India lost the match and the series. Friday’s match was played out in the boardrooms."
    http://www.asianage.com/main.asp?layout=2&cat1=1&cat2=22&newsid=194798&RF=DefaultMain

    By Blogger G285, at 13:54  

  • southie joker, i love your aryan supremacy. dravidian indeed. you must be an offspring of those misguided bengalis who teamed up with hitler.

    By Blogger seewagfan, at 13:56  

  • Well...quoting again from Harsha's article.Pls. don't bother to start another slanging match on this,just not interested.Don't think this is anti or pro-SG as such,but journalism at it's best,unbiased & practical..we need more like Harsha in the media,that's for sure..

    "The desertion of focus, unlike hair loss, is not an irreversible process and it could be argued that Ganguly might still get it back. That is the kind of judgement selectors are expected to make, they are allowed a qualitative input, even a hunch where the statisticians are required to be imprisoned by hard numbers. Both have a role to play and neither can play each other’s."

    By Blogger mpb, at 13:57  

  • G285

    I agree that of Indians - our personal interest is more important than national interest. But I have not read anywhere that Kolkata pitch was anything like what Nagpur was. Rediff report says that ball was not bouncing enough. So I am confused.

    "To see Team India beaten might bring nothing material even by the funny terms of cricket politics. But so many seem to take a vicarious pleasure in stabbing their own that Team India must be wondering if there is anything like home advantage when playing in India."

    Regarding your sarcasm you cant pick up the saracasm

    But the following comment is utter nonsense. I have to say it needs a moron to make such comment. In fact, he is a moron with an agenda. This moron forgot that Ganguly shielded Tendulkar in Brisbane and faced the Aussies fearlessly to set the tone of the battle. To state that he was feigning injury to run away and that too based on rumor goes to prove how asinine he is.

    "Contrast that with Sourav Ganguly’s attitude when he came across the greentop in the Test series last year. He sulked and walked off, feigning an injury if rumours are to be believed."

    G285: No, I did not get your sarcasm about Ganguly giving money because I feel that such type of comments baout anybody is unwarranted until you have reasons to believe. If I say something like Dravid is a pedophile just to have fun. Some brainless people will say that you know I have read somewhere that David is a pedophile. Then writer like Mohan will make some statement in new media quoting rumours. Before you know, because of plain mob mentality, you assassiante the character of Indian hero, Dravid. Then, it becomes another myth like Ganguly only scored his 10,000 runs against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. I guess then abstaining from having fun at somebody's expense would be the right thing to do.

    By Blogger dave_dj, at 13:58  

  • and you, seewagfan? what parentage do you claim... thanu?

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 14:01  

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    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 14:01  

  • G285.. SG is already in test team at Chennai with avg of 63 against England , 61 against Lanka and only 44 against ZIM....please dont mix things any more

    SG still has an overall test average of 41 against all countries which is similar to VVS, Vengsarkar and Mohinder Amarnath..off his 12 test centuries only 2 have come against ZIM and BD...so much for the facts..

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 14:08  

  • rams, thats what i habeen telling about Lara

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:10  

  • seewagfan says

    "southie joker, i love your aryan supremacy. dravidian indeed. you must be an offspring of those misguided bengalis who teamed up with hitler."

    So you are an informed patriot. The great patriot that you are talking about left everything and moved around the world to build an army to fight for freedom while your hero Nehru was leading a luxurious life, playing golf and with skirt of Lady Mountbatten, scheming to kill the other patriot and divide our motherland for his throne. You must belong to that brand of patriot who gives the power of a nation with heritage of thousands of years to an uneducated Intalian thief because she is bahu of a great traitor, Nehru.

    I am awe-struck by your patriots and patriotism.

    By Blogger dave_dj, at 14:11  

  • FWIW, from now on, i'm never going to click the "Comments" link on this blog. i'll just read the main news posted by prem, ruchir, toney, worma and others

    By Blogger Chetan Reddy, at 14:14  

  • Seewag fan..stop your provocative racist comments..I can curse u back stronger about your doubtful parentage but I wont...OK

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 14:15  

  • "southie joker, i love your aryan supremacy. dravidian indeed. you must be an offspring of those misguided bengalis who teamed up with hitler."


    IMO that's the most moronic comment on this blog so far...at least,let the dead out of it,if u can't pay them their due respect..

    By Blogger mpb, at 14:16  

  • And now,read this...oh boy,where does Chapell's drama end...

    http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1308578.cms

    By Blogger mpb, at 14:19  

  • I agree with you Chetan. I should do that too - no point in getting infuriated reading unwarranted comments.

    By Blogger dave_dj, at 14:23  

  • dravidian and nehru bashers go to eden gardens and cry for ganguly.

    By Blogger seewagfan, at 14:28  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/227286.html

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 14:28  

  • thats the link to the new chappel controversy

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 14:29  

  • mpb
    God..is this chappell guy fascinating!! I guess the Bollywood directors too couldnt have planned a show as dramatic as this guy has done in 5 months.
    I think Wright's 5 years has already gone down the drain in these 5 months.

    By Blogger DDirector, at 14:32  

  • Everyone's got to admit this much - Ganguly is a delight. He was born for controversy. He is both brilliant and fallible.

    He gets edged out of the team mostly due to poor form and to an extent, politics.

    Then he plies his art in domsetic cricket. A nervy scratchy path to his 50 and then a sublime glide to 100. Then a pair within 6 balls of intelligent pace bowling but some good wickets when he bowls. Then a 5-for that coincided with an announcement from the chief of the selection panel that he is an allrounder. Then his selection announcement. Brilliantly validated with a 159 against Maharashtra to go with the 5-for. Mission accomplished for the moment. So the all rounder doesn't even come on to bowl in the second innings :) Could be interpreted 5 ways:

    1. After a 5-for and a 159, one is surely entitled a rest (and what does he have to prove?)

    2. After a 5-for and a 159, he is exhausted and cannot push himself further. Gives some wind to the fitness question, but hey wait, any fairness in the question after the first innings show?

    3. None of the above two points. He is Ganguly and simply did not bowl because he did not feel like it and questioning it is irrelevant.

    4. I am simply stoking controversy because I hate Ganguly and worship Prem and a few other journalists who also hate him.

    5. Ganguly is an enigma.


    I vote for 5. If not for him, Prem's blog would be BORING!

    By Blogger TFFY, at 14:33  

  • omb
    you are in a real mood today man exposing Prem's neutrality (so called) and all.

    By Blogger DDirector, at 14:33  

  • All regionally biased individuals, PLEASE STAND DOWN. This is about cricket and about INDIAN TEAM. Please, for God's sake, don't bring your regional bias about south & bengal in here. DO NOT hurt India by your pettiness.

    By Blogger flute, at 14:34  

  • All the fools who are talking negatively about Subhas Bose, Nehru etc. , plz get your facts right before bringing out your pettiness onto this forum.

    Jai Hind. Jai Benagal Jai South Jai North.

    By Blogger flute, at 14:37  

  • why dont you play your flute in front of the kolkata fools who put state before country? as kapil says, did they cry for kumble & laxman when they were axed from ODIs?

    By Blogger seewagfan, at 14:41  

  • seewagfan, I don't want to get into argument with you along regional bias, but before you write anything more, please think if what you write is good for Indian team, or more importantly, Are you willing to say the same things when your identity is not anonymous like online. Are you really proud of this pettiness?

    Above questions apply to all who are indulging in such mean talk.

    By Blogger flute, at 14:44  

  • unfortunately, the calcutta crowd did stand up for kapil's inclusion during his playing days, when excluded...

    with hindsight... that really was unfortunate... they stood up for a ingrate and a fixer...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 14:44  

  • Did you guys see the latest thread? Prem is shutting down this blog for good within 24 hrs.

    By Blogger bouncer, at 14:50  

  • what got me going was the comment by 'southie joker' (the name itself is so regional) at 13:12 about about dravidians. apologies to the rest of you genuine sg fans.

    By Blogger seewagfan, at 14:51  

  • yep, saw that, unfortunate but I think a good decision. I don't know why perfectly normal, educated Indians tend to get so petty & mean online, I think the anonymous status, where noone knows your name,address etc really brings out the boorishness forward.

    Apart from the blog, the matter of most concern to me is, go to any blog relating to Indian subcontinent, we will face the same problem, same regional bias, meanness and pettiness. On the contrary, all my Indian friends in real life come across as more thoughtful and liberal than my american friends, I always thought that is because we have so much diversity, we find it easy to accept a different/new thing.
    Me not sure what's up with his pecular indian online behaviour!!

    By Blogger flute, at 14:55  

  • Dear Flute,

    The behaviour is neither restricted to Indians, nor to online Indians only... if at all, it is an expression of nationalism and how each person identifies him/her-self to a group within the nation and tries to define nationalism thru the lens of that particular group... it is not for nothing that so many references to politics/history crop up here so often... I'd urge you to read a blog by someone who has commented upon the current ganguly controversy, and his ideas for the reasons behind this escalation of rhetoric that the issue has engendered...

    http://greatbong.blogspot.com/2005/10/die-sourav-die.html

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 15:05  

  • indian cricket fans , ganguly fans ,cricket fans yes we had a green wicket in india, this time in eden , before that in nagpur.

    but there are two differeces , one fans didnt cheer for aus in nagpur ,
    at eden most of them cheered for sa.

    at nagpur the captian got green too and sat in dressing room.

    at eden captain came out to face the greentop like the leader he is.

    we are proud of him and his hardwork but the fans at eden put all indian's to great shame.

    By Blogger team, at 15:08  

  • Our main aim is not to support any individual but to develop a team for
    future. So Sachin can be given little more chances because,

    * His legacy is far more than Ganguly or any other player.

    * Team India is searching for youngster and suddenly if you drop all senior
    players, it may cost a lot. So even if Sachin is not in form, it is a kind
    of necessity to keep him as apart from captain one more legend in the team
    is necessary. Our aim is to win matches and develop a new and strong team.
    Sachin is needed for that at least for some time until team develops fully.

    * He has not failed for as long as two three years or so. His last season
    test avg. is 51+ and ODI avg in last 25 matches is 34 (w.r.t. Ganguly's 37
    and 24).

    * He has shown some sign of form during SL series. A player like Lara plays
    an inning of today's level only when he is given chance and belief. For
    greatest people, more chances can be afforded. It is not to help Sachin
    personally, but to help the team in fact as they suddenly comes back to the
    form in crucial times like he did in WC 2003 which is not an event far
    behind.

    * Sachin left the captaincy when he felt that he is not helping the team,
    then we can hope that when he will feel that he can't help the team by
    playing he will certainly step down.

    * He is not a captain so if he fails it is not affecting the team morale as
    such. One can't say that captain is not leading from front and hence we are
    losing.

    Yes when team gets developed fully and some more players start performing
    consistently and Sachin keeps failing, he must go and he will go. For the
    time being it is not too late. One should not claim that as Ganguly is out
    due to poor performance every senior player should be thrown out as his poor
    form was really prolonged.

    By Blogger Shivam, at 15:15  

  • omb
    nice link that

    team
    I dont know of any Indian gorund which will not boo a team which have lost the match by an unprecedented 10 wickets. And Rahul would have been booed any day for crawling to 6 off 31 balls.

    Shivam
    desperate points...but then what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. And SRT's form can be seen after those 2 SL knocks.

    By Blogger DDirector, at 16:06  

  • Yes by deciding to close the blog Prem has choked today. It is clear that he can tolerate endless SG bashing from dravidians but when the SG fans like me pay back this complement for a couple of days..he cannot stomach it. I am not sorry for my comments against a parisan, communal dravidian brigade bashing Bongs & Kolkatans. After Prem's exit, next person to resign will be RD after losing the series in pak...mark my words... he is no leader...all southies are hypocrites and chokers..that was proved today at EG and on this site.Lastly I am not a bengali myself, I am from Delhi but I could not tolerate the utter nonsense perpetrated by these'madrasi' idiots who dont understand cricket ...

    By Blogger Southie_joker, at 17:19  

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