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Wednesday, November 02, 2005

Oh heck, give them what they want

The ECB, we are told, is very unhappy with the itinerary for the team's three Tests. The points of contention, as you know, are (1) Two of the three venues are off the beaten tourist track; (2) It's a ploy to do down the Brits with turning tracks; (3) It is insulting to be asked to play in minor venues; (4) There is too much travel between the venues; and (4) Travel agents in Britain are unhappy because the venues apparently don't have the sort of hotels the Barmy Army (which I thought spent more of its money on beer than five star luxury, but never mind that) expects.
Cool, what the hell, give them what they want: Let's play the first Test in New Delhi, the second in Chennai, and the third in Kolkata. All major venues. All 'tourist' destinations (the Barmy Army will love the Red Fort, the Jantar Mantar, and a side trip to Agra; in Kolkata they can visit umpteen relics of the Raj; and in Chennai, an excursion to Mahabalipuram, to marvel at the pagoda uncovered by the tsunami, should be just up the BA's street.
There is of course less travel between these three venues than between Ahmedabad, Nagpur and Mumbai -- after all, if the Brits are asking for this, it must be true. And all three of those pitches are notoriously the kind that pacemen salivate over. I mean, what the hell, maybe it's time to shift the priorities from proper rotation of venues, to picking those where we have our best chance, and I for one would love to see Vaughan and his men play Bajji, Kumble and maybe Karthik at the Gardens, with over a lakh of spectators baying for blood.
It's like that saying -- when the gods (or in this case, the BCCI) wish to punish you, they answer your prayers.

135 Comments:

  • Prema, c'mon this topic has been beaten to death in the last couple of days. Something new please.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 11:41  

  • hjrsingh: this topic has been beaten to death in this blog, and in the media only from the Brits' point of view. But this message needs to get across to them that their POV is stupid.

    Prem,
    I want reiterate a request I had for you in another blog yesterday. Can you yourself (or somebody else) write a counterpoint on Rediff pointing out the inanity of their demands? Or can you influence Harsha to write one?

    By Blogger dna, at 11:53  

  • Well said and the finishing was worth a laugh. You Blog is making me addicted, Prem. :)

    Sree

    By Blogger Sree, at 11:59  

  • dna: will mail harsha. if he doesn't do it, will do something Monday, on Rediff.

    singhsaab: IMHO, this is going to be a bone of contention; the controversy in fact I expect to snowball over the coming days as the ECB pushes its case. I believe some of this rubbish really needs to be countered.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 12:00  

  • well said, Prem.. I had a comment on this point, to yesterdays post on Mauritius:
    The distances between the test venues:
    Mumbai to Ahmedabad: 561 km
    Ahm'bad to Nagpur: 970 km
    Nagpur to Mumbai: 863 km.

    I dont think these distances come under 'too long' category.

    Suppose ECB 'chooses' Mumbai, Chennai and Delhi (Kolkata has to be OUT for two reasons: If Ganguly doesnt play, the environment could be volatile; also, it hosted 2 of the last four matches that India hosted) as venues,here are the distances:

    Mumbai to Chennai - 1329 km
    Chennai to Delhi - 2095 km
    Delhi to Mumbai - 1407 km.

    I agree that the ODI venues cover entire India.. the travellig would be just a little longer.. esp. Guwahati, which is 1458 km from the nearest venue, Cuttack

    By Blogger Raju, at 12:03  

  • thanks, prem!
    look forward to your / harsha's counterpoint.

    By Blogger dna, at 12:09  

  • yea - give the whiney POMS what they want... 'touristy locations' and then turn the pitches into super turning ones that even Rahul Dravid can turn the ball square!! :) the poms won one ashes series after eternity and are now going around as if they own the world! they need a good hiding and what better place than the mighty eden gardens!

    dna/prem: good idea on the counter point article.

    I have another idea: can we influence other Indian blogposts to go hammer and tongs after the ECB, the brit blogs and all the slimey ones such as CMJ who are fishing in troubled waters?? This way it will not be an isolated voice on rediff or from Harsha but the full force of the most powerful (financially) cricket playing nation on this planet??

    By Blogger saum, at 12:20  

  • prem,

    In addition to yourself and harsha I think ppl who contribute on BBC also should pitch in Rohit Brijnath or the sen fella


    It needs to be concerted effort but then again we can only worry about what we can not and not what we can't control

    By Blogger Amit, at 12:22  

  • no matter how bad the BCCI may be, but we need to show them that the fans are WITH them on this one. i think we need to give the support or else the dirty poms may simply steam roll the BCCI... if the richest board decides Jhumur Talia is the place for Eng to play a test then that IS the best place to pay it. End of story. The poms can whine as much as they want but we shouldn't back down on this... enough of being pushed around...

    By Blogger saum, at 12:23  

  • Prema:

    I agree that the issue needs to given prominence in the desi mainstream media. Hopefully you or your colleagues will do so. My earlier comment was for this blog.

    By Blogger hjrsingh, at 12:24  

  • Amen, Amit...

    By Blogger saum, at 12:26  

  • Prem, even without the British saying this, I would have had them play in the venues you suggested. Chennai should be the first test, though. I am sure guys like Harmison will literally be brought to tears. And he'll go sobbing back to his cold and wet county, never to venture out for the rest of his life.

    And then, the square turner at Delhi should see Kumble and Bhajji competing with each other for ten wicket hauls.

    By the time, Kolkatta, the modern colosseum comes, even Vaughan will be wetting his pants. As for Freddie, I am sure some of our terrorist spectators would have shot him dead in Delhi, so he'll miss Kolkatta.

    By Blogger Toney, at 12:26  

  • lol@toney... good points... but i still think we should stand up for the sake of our own self-respect. some tin pot CMJ and his ilk should not be able to demand and get what they want! they are come here to play cricket... if they want to come as tourists, please do so on your own time...

    By Blogger saum, at 12:29  

  • hjrsingh

    Prem not Prema

    By Blogger J, at 12:33  

  • agreed they are harping on it but we need to move on. to me this topic is a dead horse........

    By Blogger tombaan, at 12:40  

  • One point to add is direct flight from AHM to NAG , and that will waste a day or night in MUM . coz NAG gets flights from mum only early morning or late night , nothing in between .

    When you know teams are flying , there's no point in looking at distance in kms , so plz dont argue on that count :)

    p.s. I have family members in NAG n AHM , so i know its a pain to travel :(

    By Blogger Adi, at 12:40  

  • saum, hopefully, the pitches are all square turners now, irrespective of whether we pay in Nagpur or Chennai. And I hope it is so hot, even the Indians will feel the pinch. That'll teach those snootty snobs a lesson

    By Blogger Toney, at 12:41  

  • you said it, toney! maybe we keep the 3 tests where they are and offer 2 (or even 3) more to the POMs preferred 'touristy' places and give them a 6-0 bashing they won't forget till the second coming of Jesus.

    By Blogger saum, at 12:43  

  • The sad part is, with all our internal politics, we might see a quicker pitch at Nagpur. Hopefully, I am wrong

    By Blogger Toney, at 12:45  

  • No toeny -- by that tiem Pawar might have won the elections and thus no fast pitch in Nagpur

    By Blogger @mit, at 12:53  

  • *L abt that...

    By Blogger Toney, at 12:56  

  • I think we should make them play Mumbai XI or India A team at one of these so called "touristy" locations and turn the ball sqaure with Piyush Chawala or Sairaj competing for 10 wickets ....

    By Blogger @mit, at 13:00  

  • As for Travel - they should know that even the tiniest of our States maybe bigger than their country and that is not our fault...... OK OK - I know Delhi is a state and is smaller ,,, but you get the point don't ya

    By Blogger @mit, at 13:02  

  • And we should make Sourav Da the Media Manager if he is not in the playing XI and he should go to all media conferences with Vaughn bare chested ....

    By Blogger @mit, at 13:03  

  • I am amused by the fury this issue is generating. The calculation of distances, organizing of articles and comment pieces by the great and the good of cricket writing, showing the board that 'we are with them' - has everyone lost all sense of proportion? Have things reached a point where anything to do with cricket has to be yelled, shouted, screamed and reinforced through a thousand different media outlets if we are to sleep peacefully at night?
    Has anyone here reflected on the credibility of 'the richest board in cricket' that issues a test and one-day itinerary two months before the series and that too in response to an 'ultimatum' from the visiting board? Is it now our prerogative to run everything with the same efficiency and transparency that the board holds internal elections, manages its finances and selects the team? England has their venues planned till the end of Sep 06 and even the famously shambolic West Indies board has plans fixed and ready till July.
    As for the travel - congratulations to the intrepid soul who calculated distances, but what would be more interesting would be amount of cross-country travel that an itinerary of Goa - Indore - Guwahati - Faridabad - Cuttack - Kochi - Vizag will entail. At the least, the travel could have been from one direction to the other? We seem to forget that the Indian team has to do the same amount of travel as well - they're not exactly akhara quality pahelwans that they will thrive where the weedy firangs will wilt with the travel! If you've ever been on flights with them, you'd know that they can do excellent imitations of hothouse flowers!
    As for the Barmy Army, their love of the drink apart, what exactly is our problem with them travelling in India and spending their money here? Is there something not quite right about people coming to watch cricket and also seeing the Taj Mahal? Is it illegal? Sure, we can schedule tests in Jhumritalaiyya because 'we can' as a cricket lover suggests above, but then, there's no laws against shooting yourself in the foot, is there?
    Around the world, countries are beginning to realize that sports tourism is a lucrative, dependable source of revenue - especially with cricket fans, who are devoted, usually better behaved than football fans and who can be counted on to spend a lot of money in a two-three month span of time. Is there a particular reason why we need to abuse them there, or am I missing something? I am not suggesting that the BCCI change schedules just in their interests, but as cricket fans, why don't you pause to think for a while whether the BCCI would ever give a damn whether you were able to put together an itinerary to watch the Indian team in WI, England, Australia or anywhere? When was the last time the BCCI ever said anything about Indian fans' interests? Even with the itinerary suggested here, if the BCCI did the simple act of tying up with a travel company to create an interesting tour around the country, taking in historical places and nature reserves etc and marketed it as 'Cricket off the beaten track' the Barmy Army would sign up enthusiastically. But for the BCCI to give a f%^k would be unbecoming on the part of the 'richest board in cricket', I suppose.
    This Indian team can and should beat England on any Indian grounds - we do not need to pass off the board's incompetence as a matter of india vs the firangs or indeed suggest as one noble soul does above, that terrorists will pick off the visiting team members.
    In short, get a life, guys.

    By Blogger steelyman, at 13:06  

  • same to you steelyman

    By Blogger @mit, at 13:09  

  • We have not gone up - in the rankings but we have pulled the second best team to a number 4 spot now ..... and if we beat them more ... they may go lower

    http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/odi/

    By Blogger @mit, at 13:29  

  • good points steelyman, but i think the fellow posters are more peeved at the english media/ecb for being the whining lot that they are..may be true to our indian spirits we have digressed to bunch of other things (that is the fun as well) but the whining poms will remain whining..if it is not the venues will be something else..just wait and see..it can only be handled by indian media and bcci (i dont see that happening)joining hands and giving it right back..i am hoping one thing rd should do the same as sg more than others is give it right back to vaughn and co as well when needed..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 13:30  

  • As for us -- we have a long way to go --- at least a 5 -2 win with SL and a 4 - 1 win with SA will take us really high ... anyway who cares of the numbers right now ... we just need to be a goo team and keep winning the numbers will take care of themselves ... personally I want us to go in the TOP 5 at least by Apr 06 so that we are in hte elite rounds of ICC championship

    By Blogger @mit, at 13:31  

  • check this out guys if you already have not on this same topic:

    http://www.cricketnext.com/news1/next/veera/veeru057.htm

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 13:49  

  • Well said Steelyman ....

    I was not aware of the order in which teams play at these venues.

    Goa - Indore - Guwahati - Faridabad - Cuttack - Kochi - Vizag

    Should be

    Indore - Faridabad - Guwahati - Cuttack - Vizag - Kochi - Goa.

    By Blogger nilcritz, at 14:00  

  • @mit,
    Your goal of being ranked in the top 5 should India beat Sri Lanka 6-1 or 7-0. We will surpass England and Sri Lanka will also drop below us all the way to #7. Should RSA win the last 2 ODIs against NZ, it is possible for India to jump over NZ as well into the #4 spot.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:08  

  • To add to this .. there is nothing wrong in expecting a pleasure combined with sports trip. I was myself disappointed to learn that India will play all league matches at Trinidad & Tobago during the world cup. It is not exactly known to be a tourise heaven in the Carribeans. While the base of Aussie and British teams is in St Kitts and St Lucia.

    By Blogger nilcritz, at 14:09  

  • the "get a life" comment misses the big point: if the ECB and Co. complained about say, poor training infrastructure or pavillion facilities or grounds in unplayable conditions or security issues or something along those lines, then I would say those are legitimate greviances and we as a host nation should address them.

    But, not one comment from the ECB officials or the loony blogs or MSM in Eng was along such lines. They wanted 'touristy' places, they are ridiculing BCCI's venue rotation/allocation policy etc etc. These are not legitimate greviances by any yardstick. Has any other test playing nation raised such silly concerns? Even the mighty Aus, when they do complain, limit it to security or playing conditions (that too after a reconnaisance team does the leg work first). And, that is why I am for fighting fire with fire because it is a question of self-respect and our right as a host nation to allot matches to grounds we deem fit.

    By Blogger saum, at 14:18  

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    By Blogger AR, at 14:22  

  • @mit: SL's fall in rankings is startling... and leads credence to the claim that they are poor travelers. Surely something for Moody, Attapattu & co to worry about.

    And, your point on rankings being irrelevant at this time is spot on! We just need to play good cricket and the numbers will take care of themselves.

    By Blogger saum, at 14:24  

  • have a simple plan for ODI scheduling.Divide all our ODI venues into 4 zones geographically.
    Zone A-Chennai,Bangalore,Hyderabad,Vizag,Kochi,Goa
    Zone B-Mumbai,Pune,Baroda,Ahmedabad,Rajkot,Indore
    Zone D-Calcutta,Guwahati,Cuttack,Jamshedpur,Nagpur
    Zone C-Delhi,Mohali,Kanpur,Faridabad,Jaipur,Gwalior
    Rotate series' between zones with each zone getting a full series.If there are more matches than the number of venues in a zone,then allot the extra matches to the venue in the neighbouring zone that is closest to the venue where the last match was played.The venue that got the extra match would'nt get a match when its the turn of its zone to host a series.This way ,travelling is minimized and the rotation policy is also taken care of.Is'nt this simple?What do you guys think?

    By Blogger AR, at 14:25  

  • nilcritz, steelyman:
    the one point i made in a post yesterday--which i will repeat here--is i have no problems with the brits wanting to combine tourism with cricket. here's what i said yesterday:
    "what's whiny about the English's complaints is that they're mixing up cricket and tourism. By itself, there is nothing wrong in the two tying up to promote each other, but when you claim something to the effect of "that is not a touristy place, therefore BCCI is trying to undermine the up and coming English cricket team," you need to get your marbles examined.

    By Blogger dna, at 14:25  

  • indianfansrcrazy: the cricketnext link you provided aptly separates the chaff from the wheat - Eng is cribbing only because that's in their blood.

    By Blogger saum, at 14:27  

  • Prem,

    If you are following this topic, I wanted to continue our conversation here

    Prem,

    The thing about Kevin Pietersen that people forget is that he actually toured with England-A and had success in both forms of the game. He plays in County and scores runs there too. He averages around 52 in first class cricket.

    Take the case of Kaif though, he averages 37 in first-class cricket. If FC cricket performance is not rated high even for consistent performers over the years, where do u rate KAif's performance there? At least Yuvraj has an OK record - average of 45 in FC - this too because of his one good season last year because he was not performing well in ODIs and hence not considered for test selection last year.

    Pray tell me on what basis Kaif is considered at the forefront of test selection when someone is injured? Isn't it based on his then current ODI performance?

    Even Dravid was selected only after he proved his worth in domestic cricket and even Sachin played a season or two before he got seelcted. In the last few years, I haven't seen any player coming into the test team into the middle order when there is a vacancy. IT has always been Yuvraj or Kaif - my point is that they haven't proven their worth in the longer form of the game to merit selection ahead of all the performers in domestic cricket. The only guy who forced his selection into the middle order is VVSL and even he was able to get in only because there was a void at the time, he made tons and tons of runs in that season and he had already played for India for a few years.

    By Blogger Prabu, at 14:27  

  • dna: well said

    By Blogger saum, at 14:28  

  • hi all,
    happy diwali..

    Ladies First!! Eng ladies coming and did anybody wants to know where they gonna play?? Worma will be happy to see match in k d singh babu.


    November
    10 1st ODI v Sri Lanka, Colombo, Premadasa

    12 2nd ODI v Sri Lanka, Colombo, Premadasa

    17 Practice Match, Meerut

    18 Practice Match, Meerut

    21-24 Test Match, Delhi

    27 First ODI, Faridabad

    December

    1 Second ODI, Lucknow

    4 Third ODI, Guwahati

    7 Fourth ODI, Silchar

    9 Fifth ODI, Calcutta

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:30  

  • steelyman said
    indeed suggest as one noble soul does above, that terrorists will pick off the visiting team members.


    Since I am the one who said this, let me explain further. Freddie in his book said that he was shot at when playing in Delhi (that the bullet hit him in the back and then shattered because of his steel body is irrelevant here). I was only referring to that and not the recent terrorist attacks.

    As for the "get a life" part to some of us who seem to have different views from yours, well, what more can I say. But just out of curiosity, what are you doing here? Perhaps you should get one too.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:32  

  • Disgusted as I am by the idiotic ECB's antics and rubbish reasoning, I think this is a very good opportunity for the BCCI to show itself in a good light. Stand strong and up against the pressure of these bloody poms, and don't give in.
    As murky as the reasoning is behind how the BCCI allots venues and all that, they have a right to choose (as do the ECB to request a change, and of course whinge) where they want the teams to play.
    This is the prerogative of the home team. There are 3 days between each ODI, plenty of time to travel about, sample India, get drunk in their inadequate accomodation, whatever. The argument of 'too much travel' doesn't hold. Don't tour India next time if it's too tiring.
    There are 4 days between Tests which gives plenty of time to travel to the 'tourist centers' like Kolkata and Chennai and Delhi. This is funny though, I thought they wanted to come and watch cricket.
    The most laughable thing is they accuse these lesser venues of not having the 5-star accomodations. Hah! I wonder where the cricketers will stay? Maybe in the wayside inn next to the stadium.
    If they are so worried about the accomodations and the travel, maybe they should call up the Sri Lankan team (who can't be feeling too great about India right now) and ask them how bad the accomodations are. Do they have clean drinking water? Do they have to take auto-rickshaws to get to the ground? Are the bathrooms clean?

    Finally, this rubbish is insulting to the 'lesser' centers and the cricket-mad fans there that want to see the Flintoffs, Pietersens and Haramis. You get nothing but full crowds at any intl cricket match, an atmosphere to thrive in. Personally I have only been to the Chinnaswamy stadium in Bangalore (for Indian venues) and obviously I would be supporting the home side. I did go to Colombo to see the only match India won in that Asia cup last year (against SL), and though we were unbelievably outnumbered, the full-house close-match atmosphere was all that mattered, and what I would cherish and take home. Not the hotel room and not the infrastructure of the city of Colombo.

    By Blogger Dhruv Deepak, at 14:35  

  • lol@toney on the freddie and bullet comment.. :) i had not heard that before... but it does make for some amuzing reading.

    By Blogger saum, at 14:35  

  • If *NaMo* the cm of Gujarat gets to know this, he will have 'morcha'in front of brit embassy. coz there is foreign hand behind this to rub gujarat and its tourism.
    Surprised Lefts didn't withdraw support from centre coz SG is left in cold coz of another foreign hand(GC).

    By Blogger MAHER, at 14:47  

  • I think all we need to do is.. totally ignore English at the moment.. let them whine without dropping a hair.. TOTALLY IGNORE THEM.. if you want to see Taj.. see it.. We want you to travel more.. so what.. our airlines make money... Those fanatics will come..

    If they dont.. so what.. a few hundred English are not a great LOT.. by looking at the scenario.. if they have landed in PAK inspite of the risks.. they will land here too with a little more money.. afterall every human is more concerned for life.. If if number is a little less.. they will spend anyway more.. you make the same money if you multiply.. with less to spend on their wellbeing if they are few.. increasing the profit margin..

    So this make business sense.. to have the same itenary.. and make more money..

    On the other hand, let them mentally suffer.. let them whine and spend resources..

    TEST them.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:57  

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    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:57  

  • If England had got drumming in the Ashes (like always), then they would have kept quiet, just like they did during the 2001-2002 tour. Now they think they rule the world.

    By Blogger santa_from_NJ, at 15:08  

  • saum,
    Here's the info on Flintoff getting shot. You can easily find lots of amusing reactions (from Indian media too) to this ridiculous claim.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:19  

  • Even if they were the number One Team who cares?

    I love the way they played against Aussies and was jumping up and down when they were playing Ashes and winning. I would love if they give us a tough fight and take the series to the wire (either way) rather than a one sided contest or a boring DRAW...

    So I would love to have them here ... but for God's sake ask them to come with an open mind and beleive us that we will surely make it a good stay for them whichever city it is

    By Blogger @mit, at 15:20  

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    By Blogger @mit, at 15:20  

  • Toney - Link missing

    By Blogger @mit, at 15:21  

  • Sorry, here you go. Old news though

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/219755.html

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:22  

  • It has been observed time and again the the British have to make a fuss where ever they travel, mostly in the subcontinent. Is is just a gimmick employed by the media to capture the imagination of the English audience? or an option to fall back on if they loose very badly??

    By Blogger sakya, at 15:33  

  • fine..if the BCC?I give into the ECB..lets make sure that the next time India travel to England..we're not forced to play at any 'minor' venues shall we? We'll insist on playing at Lords and at the Oval...we wont play at Notthinghamshire or at Birmingham cos their not major test centers are they? Arent they off the beaten track?..how about the poor desi tourist who wants to go see Big Ben but cant coz the filthy ECB set the one test he gets to see at Trent Bridge?..its not fair!!

    By Blogger TheChowmeinWarrior, at 15:51  

  • Incase Toneys link did not work (it did not for me) here it is
    http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/21flint.htm

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 15:52  

  • Some one needs to tell the POMS that the real India is in its villages.

    By Blogger Sriram Vanamamalai, at 15:53  

  • on second thoughts..lets not play in London..cant we classify it as security risk? too dangerous what with all those bombings going off!

    By Blogger TheChowmeinWarrior, at 16:02  

  • Cry Baby's - Always, ECB the English Cricket Team, anything to do with English Cricket. Since when has Mumbai become a minor venue, or did I misunderstand it. Really, are they looking for excuses, incase they loose the series. I thought they were over feeling insecure playing in the sub-continent. I say lets give them wickets that spin square on day one. These are our home conditions, and we shall do as we like.

    By Blogger AM, at 16:05  

  • I dont think this was included in any roundup.. a voice of reason.

    http://www.supercricket.co.za/default.asp?id=4122&des=sportstalk

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 16:38  

  • Come on Prem (and others), enough is enough.

    BCCI initial itinerarys are never issued for information, rather they are a basis for negotiation.

    Pom bashing in this regard is much misguided - all of your opponents negotiate around the venues.

    I can see the argument both ways. I am in favour of the rotation policy given the geography and demography of India. India has a unique issue in world cricket in this regard and the rotation policy is a must.

    Further, I am embarrased by some elements of the UK press, e.g. those who suggest that Cochin is not a tourist friendly venue (CMJ, you should be ashamed of yourself).

    But they do not speak for the ECB and I suspect that the ECB's enquiries have been measured and sensible.

    I don't think the whole itinerary should be determined by the travelling tourists, but it is very much in India's interest as well as England's that the travelling fans needs are satisfied. It is a unique and wonderful characteristic England can offer (a huge band of money-spending, friends-making, atmosphere-creating fan-tourists) and this should not be ignored by any host nation.

    To make equivalent suggestions about English venues is daft - you can easily day trip from any English test venue to any other.

    As an Englishman who is reasonably well-travelled Indiawise and reaosnably knowledgeable about cricket, I have only two significant concerns about the itinerary.

    Ahmedabad was one of the three test venues for England last time. The wicket was a total bore and the place is not English tourist friendly because of the drinking restrictions.

    Secondly, I suspect that Guwahati is unsuitable. I have flown into the place (how many of you have been even faintly that close?) and travelled around the Assam jungle and down to Meghalaya. Joking apart, you Cherapunjee fans, I suspect that Shillong might be a more attractive venue if you are keen to take cricket to the Seven Sisters. Otherwise, consider holding one of the ODIs at Eden Gardens. You shouldn't hold a test there (it had a biggy this year) but one of the ODIs might be a good idea.

    My main point is that you shouldn't read arrogance or malevolance into the ECBs discussions. The ECB today is a very professional outfit and seeks to look after the interests of all its stakeholders, including its fan base. Don't knock that.

    The BCCI is hardly above reproach.

    We should be in for a marvellous series between two well matched teams.

    I advocate a friendly spirit for that contest, starting with the perfectly reasonable matter of agreeing the itinerary.

    By Blogger Ged, at 16:38  

  • I just recalled something that I've noticed in the past.

    It seems to me like everytime India is playing an ODI Tri-Series in England over the past five years, there is a strange pattern to the schedule of matches.

    The pattern usually falls like this: the two visiting teams often have back-to-back matches. The team they play on the second day is almost always England. Yet somehow, the England team NEVER happens to find itself in this situation.

    But I haven't heard any complaints from the BCCI, other cricket boards, or anything loud from the popular press anywhere. Double standards anyone?

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 16:39  

  • Here's some support to my last post.. these are the links to the schedules of recent tournaments in England where the visiting sides have been subjected to back to back matches, but no such treatment for the hosts.

    Natwest Series 2002
    http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002/OD_TOURNEYS/NWS/NWS_JUN-JUL2002_SCHEDULE.html

    Natwest Series 2003
    http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2003/OD_TOURNEYS/NWS/NWS_JUN-JUL2003_SCHEDULE.html

    Natwest Series 2004
    http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004/OD_TOURNEYS/NWS/NWS_JUN-JUL2004_SCHEDULE.html

    Natwest Series 2005
    http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005/OD_TOURNEYS/NWS/NWS_JUN-JUL2005_SCHEDULE.html

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 16:47  

  • toney - i just read that article on Freddie and the mystery bullet. If I wasn't at work I would've probably burst out laughing.. :)

    By Blogger saum, at 16:53  

  • Ged: BCCI is an accommodating board. I remember they changed the test venues for the last Eng tour. Likewise Ahmedabad was removed from test itinenary for the Pak series. Lets not forget that BCCI has its own reasons for the rotation policy. If so, the ECB or its officials should approach BCCI directly and not leak it through the media. Also, it seems the order of the ODI venues can be changed though not the venues themselves. That's fair enough.

    By squeaking loudly one tends to get the wrong type of attention. Frankly ECB should be ashamed of this sort of reporting and apologise to BCCI and Indian fans. Otherwise, no deal- right.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 17:55  

  • ECB unhappy with venues, BCCI refuses to budge


    http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=81205

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:06  

  • From aboce article...

    The BCCI is strictly following the rotation policy, and the England series falls under the uniform rotation structure. The sequence of matches isn’t finalised yet, but the venues are absolutely final. It doesn’t make any sense to change a venue merely on the basis of lodging constraints for travelling fans,” the official argued

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:06  

  • BCCI can consider other venues to promote tourism...Cant say, I support English whining, but, Why not bake them at chennai or spin them out at Delhi and make more money in the process ?

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 18:11  

  • I will suggest to make some more toilets in the stadiums so that those barmy army nameed beer drinking poms have to pee in their pants and make life difficult for the rest of the people watching..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 18:19  

  • I would love it if BCCI said to ECB:

    "You know what? F*** you. And F*** you again. If you want to tour, accept the venues. Otherwise cancel the tour and jerk off at home."

    I am sure ECB will happily accept whatever is thrown at them. They would not want to loose all the money they will earn from this tour.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 18:24  

  • hiya ged..was being sacarstic..no one really expects that to happen..:p..

    u said that the ECB has the interests of the fans in mind when they asked the BCCI to change venues..my question is this..dont the fans in India deserve to have matches played in their own backyards? Dont they deserve a chance to see their heros on both sides? Why should the crowds in Delhi,Mumbai,Calutta and Chennai be the only ones to see international matches? To most of us who know the BCCI it would be ridiculous to suggest that they actually have the fans in mind when they alot the venues..but the fans are a byproduct of the allotment..I think if they change the venues it would be grossly unfair to the local fans who rarely (if ever get a chance to see international cricket)..whats a few days worth of tolerance if u're making thousands of people happy?

    By Blogger TheChowmeinWarrior, at 18:25  

  • Anyone there to follow the WI-Aus game?

    WI won the toss and decided to FIELD..!!

    This is at Gabba, where Nasser infamously asked Aus to bat first two years ago..

    By Blogger Raju, at 18:41  

  • ruchir..language..language..as the poms would like to say :)..and surely you mean "lose" money and were not being loose with your statement :) :)

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 18:47  

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    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 18:47  

  • raju...good choice...IMO. WI bowling is the dark horse...not much point asking Aus to bowl first....since their bowling is McG+Warne...means top notch...

    By Blogger worma, at 18:48  

  • Ive been looking for the free audio link but cant find any on cricinfo or baggygreen. Have Channel 9 stopped giving free live audio? I remember they used to have it for all matches.

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 18:50  

  • i think bowling is the right choice for wi..gives them a chance to get at the top order on what is hopefully be a lively wicket..rather than be the victim of the same

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 18:50  

  • Dones anyone think that WI has the guts to chase a score against aussies with Mcgrath and Warne in the team..

    Even 150 wil be tough.. so I guess it is a wrong choice..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 19:03  

  • It takes AUSSIES to just win one session.. mainly the starting.. and windies are on the mat.. for two reasons.. wrong choice at toss affect performance in the rest of the game even more.. secondly Aussies will drive the game for the rest of the match..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 19:05  

  • wi has selected 4 quickies in the team and the wicket will be green and fast..let us not jump into any conclusions..aus could have won the first session by making wi five down as well..why make a defensive move in the beginning of the series?

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 19:13  

  • tc: yep they cant chase 150+...most likely not. But they dont have much chance of scoring 150+ batting first either. Only chance....get Aus to collapse...score 250-300 in excess....and chase under 100. Sounds crazy??....who said beating Aus in Aus is anything but ? ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 19:24  

  • aus 9 for 1..hussey gone..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 19:30  

  • guys .. is ss working.. i cant connect to it.

    By Blogger losing now, at 19:34  

  • would be 2 down if chanderpaul took hayden's catch

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 19:35  

  • indianfans.. finally, someone who has the same "pickiness" about english language. i fought the "lose" vs "loose" battle for a long time on this chat. Similarly, a new word for you - upgradation :do you know what it means. Our guys including the print media seem to use it a lot..and it is not even an English word ;-)

    By Blogger losing now, at 19:37  

  • Same here..trying to connect to SS..doesnt work

    By Blogger AR, at 19:38  

  • ar: i was able to connect .. took forever..and then login ..which took forever too..but now cannot go to forums. do you have the link for the Wi vs Aus game.?

    By Blogger losing now, at 19:43  

  • Crick4U has a very clear webcast. Did anyone try that one.

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 19:44  

  • holy: how much at crick4u?

    By Blogger losing now, at 19:47  

  • not sure about ss.. i am watching on willow..

    losing now: lol.. that is a desi invention for sure..just like updation..must be the techie wave.."sir, would like you to go for upgradation of the product and updation of your current manuals?" :)

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 19:51  

  • indianfans: It is funny and it would remain funny if people knew that these are not real words. Unfortunately, newspapers and the TV channels (I know headline news, cnbc etc) use these words and most people accept them. On my last trip, a few weeks ago, i found a "reputed" recruiting company defining one of their business units as "Temping" - they provide temporary staff for BPO companies - and their presentation said that they see a significant growth in their "temping" business. I was rolling with laughter during the presentation and the American colleague with me had this puzzled look as he did not understand "what the heck this word meant specially when said in a thick Indian accent". Anyway, we should be able to laugh at ourselves.

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:01  

  • yeah that is correct losing now..there are same examples across the board from other countries as well..we have all of them here in the new york area

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:15  

  • ss ka kya haal hai..very slow..anybody watching wi vs aus

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:19  

  • yeah..ponting and hayden having an useful partnership..aus 68/1 ..hussey gone..hayden dropped once and survived a very good lbw shout.. but playing well now

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:25  

  • apne per pe kuladhi marna..why drop Hayden? tough or easy chance?

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:29  

  • alright..ss working! Nice 4 by ponting

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:30  

  • chanderpaul was at that funny position right next the non-striker, tough low catch.
    the lbw shout wasnt out.

    By Blogger Dhruv Deepak, at 20:31  

  • RP on fire!

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:32  

  • I was worried SS might not turn up, but those guys are good. The site is slow, but the feed is normal

    By Blogger Dementor, at 20:32  

  • not too tough..should take these at this level..fielder (sc) standing at short cover close to the wicket..so good field placing but not the desired result..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:33  

  • yeah the lbw shout wasn't out..i saw the replays again..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:34  

  • dementor.. same feelings re: ss. once you get the link..it works fine!
    BTW, the 4th ODI links have been posted. get them now, before the crowd comes in

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:36  

  • guys, how much does it cost to subscribe to ss??

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:36  

  • ifrc: GBP 7 for 60 days

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:37  

  • not bad at all..and you say the quality is good?

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:38  

  • dont u get the feeling that WI just does not have the bowling to bowl aussies out twice

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:39  

  • ifrc: i had my doubts, and now i am close to being a convert. i was paying Dish and willow. unfortunately, none of this is on Dish as it is on directv..which i dont have. And if i have to watch on computer, then this is a good alternative. streaming quality is good, once you get the link. the getting the link is convoluted and you have to be a "techie" to keep manuvering to get it at the right time. hey, cant beat $12 ..even u get 2 games, u got ur moneys worth, rest is gravy

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:43  

  • true..need to see what else they have..

    as for the windies..hope they get them out once..then we shall see..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:45  

  • SS=SportingStreams
    SS=Supersub
    SS=SreeSanth

    When today's Ind Vs SL match starts, I might say:
    I just saw in SS that Indian team has chosen SS as SS.
    :-)

    By Blogger Raju, at 20:45  

  • What's Shiv C doing next to the non-striker? he thinks he is going to get a catch there?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:46  

  • Lara is in deep mid wicket!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:48  

  • lol raju...

    yacrik: shiv c did get a catch there and already dropped once..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 20:49  

  • Ponting looks set for a big hundred. Hayden seems to have lost it - looks very tentative or scratchy.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:49  

  • who is the super sub for WI?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:50  

  • Ram,Shiv,Ram ! wow what a combo WI has ! they seem to have a solid line up;
    catch at Gully went begging! no one at Gully....

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:52  

  • yacrik: a bit redundant on the Ram dimension eh!

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:53  

  • another hour before the firecrackers explode in Pune. cant wait. Today it will be the YS show!

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:55  

  • lawrie discussing pitch and wondering what wud happen in day 4/5. man's got a sense of humor

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:56  

  • Langer is a happy man !

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:58  

  • rather relieved of any tension,..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 20:59  

  • Oooh! Great slow motion camera work on Hayden's leg glance. Great television

    By Blogger losing now, at 20:59  

  • Losing now, its $10

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 20:59  

  • Yacrik, still in ODI mood, huh? No super-sub in tests (not yet!!)

    By Blogger Raju, at 21:01  

  • holy: 7GBP = $12.43 today. www.xe.com

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:02  

  • lunch 95/1. time for dinner here. c yall for the indian fireworks.

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:03  

  • lunch it is; Aus will finish 342/3 by the end of the day!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 21:03  

  • LOL Losing Now......
    but if u wanna buy hurry up as there are very less number of tokens available

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 21:06  

  • Why do I keep thinking all day today that SRT is gonna make first ever double century in ODIs....
    Why??????

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 21:08  

  • holy: $10 for what (period or games)

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:09  

  • holy: because for some reason what you keep thinking ...comes true!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:09  

  • chanderpaul should have caught that..c'mon. watching replay

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:10  

  • losing now, $10 for this game.
    Well you know what, most of my wishes regarding SRT come true. I am not kidding.
    just on top my head, that 155* against Warne at Chennai, 93 vs SL the other day, both the times i was flying so couldnt watch but kept thinking all the time

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 21:12  

  • ci says : 4th ODI: India v Sri Lanka at Poona, 3 Nov 2005 . hmm...Poona Pune Poona Pune

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:12  

  • Hi, your blog is fantastic! Well done!

    I have a travel austria site/blog. It pretty much covers travel austria related stuff.

    Come and check it out if you get time :-)

    By Blogger Richard K, at 23:19  

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