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Wednesday, November 09, 2005

One at a time

While waiting for the Indian innings to start, was doing a bit of cross-checking. I'd had the feeling that the biggest difference between game 5 and game 6 lay in the field setting -- Sehwag this game brought his fielders well inside the ring for the most part; there was an obvious attempt to cut down on easy runs, as a means of escalating pressure on what is really a very good batting track.
Turns out the perception is right. Here are the stats. In the Lankan innings here, there have been a total of 164 dot balls, which is way more than half the deliveries bowled in their innings. Against it, there have been just 55 singles, and 8 twos.
Against this, Russel Arnold and Tillekeratne Dilshan alone, in their partnership in the previous game, managed 51 singles, 14 twos and 1 three. Overall, Lanka in game five had 142 dot balls -- less than 50 per cent of the legal 300 per innings; 90 singles, 23 twos.
It's been a good effort, both in the setting of the field and in the discipline of the fielders (there's still the odd misfield, but against that, the fielders are without exception attacking the ball more, and thus putting more doubt in the batsman's mind). This, in turn, has been backed by disciplined bowling -- as someone was pointing out on the discussion board, there's been just three extras in the Lankan innings, and that is very very good going.


  • Yes, its always about discipline and brains. Also, the skill of not being predictable at any point. with so many new options like super sub and power play, it has become more of a mind game.
    with 2 run outs, i feel we have become much better.

    By Blogger FJ, at 02:33  

  • HUH? So everytime a team scores less than they scored in the previous match, can we assume that it was because of the field placings? How does it "turn out" that your perception was right? Of course the percentage of singles was less than the previous match given that the final score was much less than the previous match. How can you conclude anything about field placements from that?

    By Blogger achin, at 02:39  

  • And what is this "cross checking" that you did between the innings? Pray explain.

    By Blogger achin, at 02:40  

  • If the fielders were brought "well inside the circle", then by applying logic similar to yours, shouldn't the percentage of 3s and 4s be higher than the last match? So how about those numbers sport? Come on, what are they?

    By Blogger achin, at 02:42  

  • cross checking between a gut feel, and the actual numbers.

    As to the other -- incidentally, why the abrasive tone? -- could it also be that the fact of no singles contributed to the final score being less?

    Is, end of the day, an opinion. Take it, leave it, your call; no call though to get your truss in a knot over it

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 02:42  

  • achin: no they shouldn't. The fact that fielders are inside the circle doesnt automatically mean you get to score a lot more fours. Duh!

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 02:43  

  • prem...are we sure which is the cause and which is the effect?

    It is a very different ball game when trying to set a target vs chasing something down knowing very well that you just need a few good overs in the end, isn't it?

    By Blogger Prabu, at 02:48  

  • prem: Wanna get blocked again?

    By Blogger achin, at 02:48  

  • achin: couldn't care less. Do your stuff, pal. Not for much longer anyways, what makes you think I give a hoot? That is about all you can do, right? like a kid kicking sandcastles down coz you didn't build it yourself?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 02:51  

  • aww. ofcourse you care. Why else would you move back and forth between here and the discussion group?

    By Blogger achin, at 02:54  

  • Prem


    Batting analysis Run Ball Min 0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s S/R
    U Taranga 28 42 56 29 7 1 1 4 0 0 66.7
    S Jayasuriya 19 17 32 11 1 1 0 4 0 0 111.8
    K Sangakara 9 13 16 10 1 0 0 2 0 0 69.2
    M Jayawaqrdene 14 14 31 8 3 0 1 2 0 0 100.0
    M Atapattu 9 18 31 15 1 0 0 2 0 0 50.0
    T Dilshan 59 62 77 34 17 2 0 9 0 0 95.2
    R Arnold 8 20 32 13 6 1 0 0 0 0 40.0
    C Vaas 9 20 15 15 3 1 0 1 0 0 45.0
    U Chandana 30 32 55 17 9 1 0 5 0 0 93.7
    F Mahroof (SS) 4 10 19 7 2 1 0 0 0 0 40.0
    D Fernando 4* 9 12 5 4 0 0 0 0 0 44.4
    Runs conceded by bowlers (excludes current over).
    0s 1s 2s 3s 4s 5s 6s
    I Pathan 24 6 1 0 5 0 0
    S Sreesanth 31 6 2 1 9 0 0
    RP Singh 34 7 1 0 6 0 0
    M Kartik 35 19 1 0 5 0 0
    Harbhajan Sinh 33 15 3 0 4 0 0

    By Blogger V Menon, at 02:55  

  • *LOL* In the event you hadn't noticed, I neither asked for the DG, nor used it all these days. A couple of the guys wanted to try it out, I went along with it; they figured on coming back here, I came back. Don't get callouses from patting yourself on the back on the presumption you get under my skin with the blocking, pal -- do that, I go back to posting on the main blog; and watching the game meantime.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 02:56  

  • prem...i have a question

    why don't you post under another name (PPanicker say)? can you be blocked?

    By Blogger Prabu, at 02:58  

  • prabu: you bet

    By Blogger achin, at 02:59  

  • prabhu: of course. the blocking is done by IP address. Doesnt matter about the name. In any case, why sweat the small stuff? Nice game out there to watch

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:02  

  • prem: what are your thoughts on shikhar dhawan?

    By Blogger achin, at 03:04  

  • Can we expect to see him in the team anytime in the near future?

    By Blogger achin, at 03:06  

  • 5.0 ov:
    Ind are 27-0 (Gambhir 19 Tendulkar 6)RR: 5.40; SL were 33-0 (Taranga 19 Jayasuriya 14) RR: 6.60

    By Blogger V Menon, at 03:08  

  • Prem, hope everything is fine with you. Now that you are doing a lot of multi-tasking (like interviewing politicians), I have a feel that you are losing your sharp acumen on cricket. I am not saying this to demean you, you know I have a lot of respect for your cricketing knowledge and your language skills (Ganguly-bashing notwithstanding). But I had wished that you'd spare a thought for the appalling Sri Lankan batting and total lack of application. Too many things are falling in the Indian way automatically and I am worried that may bring in a sense of undue satisfaction. If you would have noticed, there are way too many percentage players in the current ODI team and a better opponent would have exploited the holes to the maximum. Take, for example, Sree Santh. I fail to understand or see whats in him to merit a place in the current team. Forget the speed. Speed alone does not make a great bowler as you and I know; otherwise Patterson would have been a greater and better bowler than McGrath. I understand that Chappell and some other folks (including you) have issues against Zaheer Khan, but while choosing the best eleven, shouldn't we leave aside personal issues? I am told that Khan is bowling probably at his best now, and it'd be a shame to leave him outside now. And when you talk about trying out new faces, what wrong did Bose and Paul do? They have been bowling quite consistently in domestic cricket; and while I do not quite like what I have seen from them, I'd assume they deserve a look-in just because a much lesser bowler called Sree Santh has got a look-in. Sree Santh reminds me of Debashish Mohanty, way too many boundary balls.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 03:15  

  • Any clue why agarkar was rested?

    By Blogger Avinash, at 03:25  

  • This place is awfully quiet

    By Blogger V Menon, at 03:38  

  • yep its almost as if everyone has lost interest bcoz of lack of competition!!!!

    By Blogger Avinash, at 03:58  

  • There is a separate thread for game 6 discussions you morons.

    By Blogger achin, at 04:04  

  • Achin thankx for the info and the compliment

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:14  

  • @santanu de:

    I agree with you about SL playing very very mediocre cricket on this tour. Just how good is this Indian team- we will find out when SA play those 5 one dayers. For once, we are going to see much better seamers, much sharper fielding and a good batting unit who can chase down big totals.

    But Zaheer Khan- I am not quite sure. If the report about his altercation with JW is true, it proves that at that time, he was taking his place for granted and loathe to work on his fitness....so in that case he deserves to be left out in the cold for a few days and try out new colts.

    About Sreesanth- yes I agree with you. He doesnt look international material and I would bet against him into developing into India's next big thing in fast bowling.

    About Paul and Bose- yep- they definitely deserve a look in. GC has personally told Bose that he would monitor his performances in the domestic circuit. Will they click- well international cricket is so different from domeastic cricket and so one cannot foretell before seeing them first hand. But yes, they definitely deserve a look in- surely.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 04:24  

  • Someone posted this link in an earlier thread-


    Huh! Awesome.:))

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 04:49  

  • Prem,

    Good news is that Yuvraj is using his feet against the spinners and looking confident.
    Kaif is playing the sheet anchor, which works out just fine in this situation


    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 04:51  

  • yuvraj is going nuts now .. 4 and 6 off Chandana

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 04:54  

  • As Prem has earlier told us, Zaheer was always loathe to fitness regimes. But maybe that was due to his tendency to get injured. But I am sure that can be changed with some talking, because he's very very hungry for success at the same time. Probably he did not realize that working on his bowling alone won't work. While others may argue, I definitely believe that he is the best left-arm seamer in this country now, and I have considered Pathan in the equation. His problem is temperament (which we have seen in WC finals) but thats not something that cannot be addressed.

    Also, I am not sure how honest was GC when he talked to Bose. He definitely should have got chosen ahead of VRV Singh (though I don't like either of them; I think Balaji is the best right-arm seamer). In the Dulleep Trophy match between North and East Zones, while Paul and Bose finished off the North Zone innings quickly both times; VRV was hit all over the park by a lesser "have-been" called Sourav Ganguly. Though the selectors chose to remember the fact that before that shabby treatment, VRV had hit SG on the helmet once.

    I am very sure Bose will never get selected while GC is here.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 05:34  

  • my condolences to people who forget the spirit of the cricketing blog and the position from which someone like prem speaks. it's people like prem who run cric blogs which are more articulate, incisive and cricket friendly without it getting into a "gully ka gang yapping about da cricket ma man" scenario. so it's really up to us to ensure that our writing reflects the tone of voice in which things are said. and keep it clean. recently had this unnecessary run-in with a dude from dilli two games ago on this blog, totally uncalled for and waste of breath. and i'm sure prem knows how to handle these situations.

    By Blogger achu, at 07:01  

  • Santanu - "I am very sure Bose will never get selected while GC is here"

    Get lost from here if you want to champion cause of useless Bengalis here. GC, RD and team are trying level best to build a champion team and your 2 cent comments are not even worth reading and bring disgrace to this blog. GC and co. only promote and reward meritocracy. Did you read about Bhajji's diatribe about him after landing in India and what GC told about him as a changed bowler and how good he has been? if he is egoistic or any agenda, he would never do that. The team is performing exceedingly well and we do not want ganguly's and bose to spoil the party.

    By Blogger J, at 09:50  

  • J
    last i knew bengal was still in india...ganguly not being there is another issue not a bengal issue...
    so if greg feels that way i am sure he doesnot we dont need him...

    By Blogger tombaan, at 09:58  

  • j,
    Why stereotype all Bengalis? Fine, like most others, you want to keep Ganguly out of the team for form, fitness, or team cohesion, whatever the case may be. But, why does Bose have to be lumped into that? Mind you, I am not advocating Bose's selection because of what little I saw of him during the Challenger Trophy, he looked very ordinary. However, he deserves to be looked at on his own merits, not simply discarded because of the suspicion of some that he is getting there or not getting there simply because he is Bengali. If you do not select him based on his cricketing abilities, fair enough, but every Indian cricketer deserves an opportunity at selection.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 10:23  

  • some more fuel to the usual fire

    funny but everybody says SG and short-pitch stuff are like fire and water but how many times like today have we seen this in the last 12 years?

    from cric info:
    "Sachin Tendulkar c Maharoof b Fernando 19 (57 for 2)
    Chipped a slower ball straight to the man at mid-on"

    yet no one really talks about it. i don't have stats to back my claim of sachin's waterloo at mid-off, mid-on ; but i have seen it too often to ignore it.

    By Blogger achu, at 10:24  

  • J,

    "if my 2 cents comments are not worth reading" then why did you read and also answer? A blog is precisely that, you can log whatever you think, and then you can read whatever you like. And you cannot stop what or how I think.

    And by the way, I am not talking about Bose being a Bengali here.
    Zaheer Khan is not a Bengali but I feel he is definitely the best seamer in India now; but my thoughts, as you said, are worth only 2 cents or even less. Otherwise a pedestrian Sree Santh won't be playing and a Balaji won't be sitting out.

    You have made your own assumptions and you are entitled to them; at the same time, I don't like to pick up fights with strangers. I'd suggest that you keep away from personal attacks as well. "Useless Bengalis" is definitely a comment I mind.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 10:28  

  • Sahir, I agree with you. And thanks for your comments. By the way, as I said, I did not like either Bose or VRV from what little I saw of them.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 10:30  

  • I am copying this from another thread - I had posted this there earlier and thought some of you may be interested.

    "Now everyone is bum-licking (forgive my language).

    Check this from last week: in a Duleep Trophy league match between East Zone and Zimbabwe President's XI, EZ won the match within three days thanks to some spirited bowling from SS Paul and Ranadeb Bose. As all of us know, Paul and Bose have been a consistent duo over the last few domestic seasons, though I don't think either is as good as Zaheer Khan or Pathan. Even among right-arm pacers, Balaji is probably our best bet, now that we know for sure (I told you so!) that Sree Santh is an absolute no-no!

    Anyways, coming back to the original topic, after the match, Bose was complimented for his consistent length throughout the match, and he promptly said, "I have been immensely benefited by the tips GC gave me while I was in Bangalore". Huh?

    Just when did GC became an useful bowling coach? Just spare a thought for the Bengal (and EZ) coach Paras Mhambrey here, he is definitely working hard with the bowlers and it shows in the consistency with which Paul and Bose are bowling. Still the credits go to another person. Some people really get everything in life.

    However, I am glad that bum-licking does not always work. Inspite of all good words Bose had for GC, it was VRV Singh who was chosen ahead of him: a bowler who was sent to all parts of the park in a previous Duleep Trophy match by a lesser batsman called Sourav Ganguly. Though the selectors chose the fact that before that rather shabby treatment, he managed to hit SG on his helmet once. Bose should learn from this and try to hit people rather than taking wickets. "

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 10:32  

  • shantanu da

    i completely agree with you on the j issue. but that's life. there will be always people who think a loud noise is as good as a sound point.

    By Blogger achu, at 10:33  

  • Many people out here don't know the difference between a square cut and square drive; so I can expect those noises sometimes. However, you have to tell the parochial folks in as many words to shut up.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 11:13  

  • Sahir, Shantanu,
    I mentioned bose because od Shantanu's comment. "I am very sure Bose will never get selected while GC is here". I have nothing against Bengalis mate. I love Bipasha and koena.

    And then look at this guy achu. He first dares to mention about Sachin having problem with short pitch bowling then gives example of fernando and then of a delivery which was a slower bowl from Fernando. The TV kept on showing his grip and all. This is problem not with Achu or Shantanu but Bengal. They just cant come to terms with reality of SG being unceremoniously sacked and then give ludicorus examples. We all know what treatment was given to Pranab Roy and believe me, you will be lynched in calcutta if you speak the truth about SG

    By Blogger J, at 11:21  

  • Santanu,
    regarding your bose/paul eulogy, "in a Duleep Trophy league match between East Zone and Zimbabwe President's XI, EZ won the match within three days thanks to some spirited bowling from SS Paul and Ranadeb Bose"

    Do you know the current state of Zim national team? Bose/Paul bowling a pathetic Zimbabwe President's XI and you want them to consider for India? Go take a hike.

    Bose himself speaks about GC ""I have been immensely benefited by the tips GC gave me while I was in Bangalore" and for your comment on GC as bowling coach, you are a morone. Do you know GC is one of the best cricketing brain available today? Go and read his book on cricket and you will know.

    About VRV, you should read posts on this blog and go to cricinfo as well.

    Come up with some good examples and reasonable arguements next time

    By Blogger J, at 11:35  

  • J,

    I can understand your taste: you love Bipasha and Koena. But you don't love Kajol or Rani or Sushmita Sen. No substance, only style.

    Like I said, many can't tell the difference between a square cut or square drive.

    By the way, Achu did not say a single word about Sachin's problems against short pitch bowling; he mentioned about his (as perceived by Achu) tendency to hole out to mid-off or mid-on. You are taking your animosity to an extreme here.

    But I agree with what you say about Calcuttans; they are very passionate about a few things and sometimes take things to extremes; you may often end up hating them for that.

    But you may like to keep your thoughts to yourself. There is no point lamenting the fact that Bengal is in India; you cannot probably change the maps now, isn't it? Wish you could.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 11:38  

  • j,
    you mean to say the current crop of new fast bowlers is being selected based on their performance against AUS, SA and ENG? Give me a break!

    While it is true that it is too early to talk about Bose/Paul, the fact of the matter is that GC can be successful in his politics as there is no dearth of talent in this country.

    Do not forget that we regulary behead BCCI and selectors for their short sightedness and politics: yet we have had the Gavaskars and Tendulkars and Dravids and oh yes, Gangulys. That doesn;t go to say that politics wasn't there. Many other talents were destroyed by them.

    By jove, this GORA surely has a lot of desi following like the British rulers had...

    By Blogger SS, at 11:43  

  • J,

    Like I said, its beyond my taste to pick up fights with strangers. So I'd resign; and will allow you to think that you won.

    I refrain from answering to your
    profanities. A misspelled moron do not make much sense anyways.

    I feel you are a compulsive arguer. Do you know what it means?
    Never mind if you did not.

    Because if you had not been arguing for argument's sake, you'd have seen my own view about Paul and Bose: "though I don't think either is as good as Zaheer Khan or Pathan". I have actually criticized Bose for licking bums and not giving due credit to Paras Mhambrey (who is the Bengal/EZ bowling coach).

    I believe neither Bose nor VRV is as good as Balaji (I am comparing with a right-arm seamer here), and I believe as an individual I am entitled to my own beliefs.

    By Blogger Santanu De, at 11:46  

  • SG's supporters cant live with Indian Winning.. For them SG first, and India later.. very evident this..
    sour losers

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:07  

  • TC,
    Have you noticed, all SG supporters are vanishing from blog and grinding their axe to get back once India looses a match/series badly. There was this oracle guy then dadagiri then Sourav_ganguly, all are gone. They just cannot stomach India's success.

    By Blogger J, at 15:55  

  • Also gone are Ravi Shastri's comments on TV -- like "Now one more wicket at this juncture...." (when India was batting)

    By Blogger niti, at 16:25  

  • Shantanu De: Kajol and Rani Roxxxers. Bipasha Suxxxers.
    'nuf said.

    By Blogger i, at 18:42  

  • J: After reading your latest post, I take back whatever I used to think about you earlier.

    You are, unequivocally, an ass.

    kindest regards,

    By Blogger i, at 18:48  

  • Prem, your thoughts about field placings are backed in this article on Dnaindia.com (http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=9201&CatID=6), atleast as far as the 6th match is concerned. Also, bowling was very disciplined (read: wicket-to wicket, bowling to one side of the wicket with 6:3 field splits, and only 3 extras). In the Rajkot match, the two successful runouts were due to fielders being that much closer to the stumps. In Dilshan's case, it was extraordinary, given that he is a fast runner and there was no hesitency in that run.

    "At Ahmedabad and Rajkot, Sehwag’s field-placements were innovative as were his bowling changes. He had left too many wide spaces on the field inviting the Lankans to attack. It had given the Lankans a chance to hit fours but they had to struggle for singles. But every attempt to hit a boundary had an element of risk which Sehwag wanted to exploit." When the SL were down to 83-5, "Sehwag went for the kill. He unleashed an all-out attack with his field placements, packing the fielders inside on the off-side. The Lankans, more precisely Tillakaratne Dilshan, managed to hit a few boundaries but India had the final say. They were restricted to less than 200. Defensive field placements at that stage would have freed Lanka out of the tight spot they were in. It was, as Chappell says, a perfect balancing act. It may result in a few boundaries but the move fetches wickets too."

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 12:32  

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