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Wednesday, November 16, 2005

One in the eye for ECB

Per this report, the ECB's protests about venues assigned for the Test series against England have fallen on deaf BCCI ears.
However, the BCCI official asserted that the Board is firm on sticking to the rotation policy, which he explained had prompted them to allot matches to the “remote venues”.
He said: “The BCCI will not change the venues just because there has been a fuss over the venues being remote. We have decided to strictly go by the rotation policy that we have adopted. All the centres will get a chance to host international matches, and the England team should complain.”

Not quite clear what Mr Official means by 'England team could complain' -- seems like sloppy editing more than a mixed message. But the bottomline is:
Speaking to Newsline after the meeting, Carr said: “We had a long meeting in which we discussed in detail the logistics of the tour and the venues as well. We are aware that too much has been written in the media about the venues. So, we have decided that from now on, any further comments on the venues for the series will be made only by the BCCI.”

So much for wanting a change of venues because someone thought it was easier to travel from Kolkatta to Chennai, than from Nagpur to Ahmedabad. Or because there are not enough 'five star hotels' for the Barmy Army, the members of which beery group wouldn't be caught dead in one anyways.
And while on complaints, check this story out: The Proteas are apparently travelling from Hyderabad to Bangalore, venue of their next outing, via Saharanpur -- so they can attend a wedding. A board official has a bit of a dig at the tourists:
A senior BCCI official did not read much into this 'unusual' trip but did say that "if we had scheduled the matches in small centres they would have complained about travelling too much. Now they are doing the same thing."

Elsewhere in the story:
The South Africans have already made news for reasons other than their victory, complaining about the facilities in Hyderabad. Their skipper Graeme Smith even gave the official Cup unveiling ceremony a skip on the premise that it was "getting too late".
On Tuesday, the team complained about both India and South Africa practising at the same time and leaving them with not enough nets. "There was no communication from anybody and both teams landed at the same time. We hope everything gets better as the tour progresses," said a source close to the South African team.

Ahem! We haven't reached the level of one of the tourists complaining there isn't enough mineral water to brush his teeth with (as Gary Kirsten famously did, the last time he came touring), but it looks like we're getting there.
As to facilities, again, ahem! The BCCI should really look into this. For instance, how about when the Proteas turn up for practise, ensuring there is not a single local bowler around, so Ntini and Nel and company are forced to do the hard yards all by themselves? If asked why, the BCCI could always claim it is the holiday season, or exam season, or that it is too hot or too cold or too wet or too dry.
I mean, wasn't that what the UCBSA did to India the first time we toured? Denied net bowlers on the pretext that it was the holidays; then flooded the place with net bowlers the minute SA came in for practise. And when asked, then board chief Ali Bacher said right, these things happen.
An aide memoire, in case the original incident has slipped your memory.
In a word, SA -- shut the heck up! You -- and every other touring team -- get way better treatment in India than we get when we go travelling to your lands; to lap it all up and still whine is juvenile, to put it mildly.


  • The English board realises that it wouldnt be easy to win matches in the subcontinent and so the travellers can atleast enjoy the city if not the English cricket.

    By Blogger Hemal, at 16:17  

  • well....before that we(sadly BCCI) have to take care of this:
    Then what about Nel, Mr.Crowe

    By Blogger HolySmoke, at 16:18  

  • Prem:
    Looks like today it has been a lot of blogging from your side.

    Thanks for your efforts, its great to come in here and get to read so much on the same page.

    By Blogger Hemal, at 16:24  

  • hemal: :-) some days, I manage to sneak more time off than other days

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 16:25  

  • Never saw Mr. Panicker so worked up. The best response to this is "we will look into it, how is everything else". :-)

    By Blogger pg, at 16:25  

  • Prem do you think the 'friendly banter' between Nel and Yuvraj , didnt merit the match refree atleast reprimanding Nel once ? I mean we could clearly see and hear Nel swearing at Pathan and Yuvraj ?

    Or is it that the behaviour becomes unruly ony after the batsmen has been dismissed not when hez batting ?

    By Blogger Adi, at 16:25  

  • pg: wanna know why? I just posted an additional link on this post, relating to a story of India's tour of SA. Check it out.

    adi: darned if I know. i suspect it goes back to the barry jarman playbook. when he was asked how come donald literally frothing at the mouth vis a vis Dravid was not indiscipline, he said, oh, no one heard what he said. Maybe the trick is not to point fingers at the dressing room, but provide verbal directions on how to get there. Seriously -- who in heck knows with these guys?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 16:31  

  • chalo atleast the Eng fans would get to tick atleast one spot in that 'to see' list from lonely planet guide....with this practise match fixed for Dharamshala :P

    By Blogger worma, at 16:39  

  • and btw...the fun part....Saharanpur...as I know...is atleast 100s of miles from any airport!...heck I've to work my brains to think where would they land before driving their....umm....mmm....Agra can be one...but its still far...Meerut as far as I know doesnt have an airport....heck...are they going by road??...to Saharanpur!!...wow..

    By Blogger worma, at 16:42  

  • Prem,

    I sounded like a very frustated article but the following line stood out for me, rest we can find in reports of so many foriegn tours of the nineties..

    "The arithmetic is simple. Of 16 players, three are wicketkeepers." - what was SRT thinking when he agreed to tour with that side, i dont know what the other options were but this is painfully funny..

    By Blogger pg, at 16:44  

  • Down with Dravid... Bad captaincy... Placemnet of Fielders, bowling change... simple calculations of overs left of his the best bowlers wre not in his mind...India was a tiger in front of a lame and old lion- the Sri Lnakans... bring her in front of a African Lion with class.. we are sitting ducks...

    Down with dravid... bring back SOURAV.. captaincy matters ..and should not be in the hands of pesudo intelligent withdrawn novices in a team game like cricket..The throne should be with the tigers...bring back sourav...

    By Blogger tami_telu_Nort, at 16:47  

  • pg: that was SRT's main problem. time and again, he got saddled with sides he didn't want. remember his request for an offie for the windies tour? the national selectors, no less, told him there were no off spinners in india. and then sent him noel david.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 16:47  

  • good insightful ideas tami. Keep going, Badly need a laugh today.

    By Blogger Poondu, at 16:52  

  • Source: Rediff On The NeT
    Comments to Rediff can be sent to Prem Panicker at prem@www.rediff.co.in

    Email id had "www" after "@" earlier on. Never knew this. Prem, is this id still enabled?

    By Blogger Hemal, at 16:54  

  • wonder sometimes if people drag ganguly into the discussion on the blog , just to start a series of pro and anti dada comments , then sit back n have fun .

    I mean please .....

    By Blogger Adi, at 16:55  

  • adi,

    agree with u. have already seen this tami's guy posts . Comments are just like TOI or Cricketnext. Sit back and enjoy.

    By Blogger Poondu, at 16:58  

  • hemal: nope. that is an old id.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 17:06  

  • Prem - what is wrong with the Rediff radio? seems to be down for a long time....

    BTW the Prem Panix program has lost its zing a bit ... IMO Harish does not have it when it comes to Radio ...

    Do you not write for the Rediff anymore at all ? I mean other than India Abroad

    By Blogger @mit, at 17:07  

  • Prem:

    I have been wanting to ask this for a long time. When will you being podcasting on this blog???

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 17:10  

  • Prem: The SA incident really sickens me. How is it that depsite having the "most active" cricket-media, the Indian view doesn't get highlighted. Why is it that these questions are being asked on a private blog and not in the press conference to Smith? If he says he is not happy with the facilities provided, how come none of the journalists has the balls to ask him if he really thought it was worse than what his country provides, citing your anecdote of the "phantom holiday bowlers" as an example?

    I don't care what Smith says to gain one-upmanship over the Indian team, but there is a difference between gamesmanship and being a bad guest. Someone needs to tell him that. It appears that's not going to be our media.

    By Blogger Sudo Nima, at 17:16  

  • The John Carr quote concurs with the point I made on your earlier blog - those guilty of whinging on this occasion are primarily the media, not the ECB.

    Perhaps this is related to the fact that the travelling media tend to be well down the food chain regarding cushy accomodation etc.

    By Blogger Ged, at 17:20  

  • One question: Why was Dalmiya present in the 4-hour meeting? What has he got to do with selecting the venues of ENG tour??

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 17:25  

  • cmon ruchir,

    You know the answer for that.

    By Blogger Poondu, at 17:30  

  • ged, yeah true...normally we also complain about the Eng media complains.....if you've followed our earlier posts on this....Prem and myself have made quite a few remarks on the Eng media buzz on the whole touring thing

    By Blogger worma, at 17:31  

  • no, no... please, please... tell me, tell me... I wanna hear it again....

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 17:31  

  • ruchir


    By Blogger Poondu, at 17:32  

  • bte, ged...I would love to know your opinion on the whole issue? Apparently you're in India...what do you think about the fuss being made?

    By Blogger worma, at 17:32  

  • for D/N matches if we bowl second this what we should do
    bring spinners on after 10 overs before dew factor come in, may be even hold off one power play
    say after 20 overs bowl a quickie and a spinner in tandem

    By Blogger cricfan, at 17:32  

  • Alvin Miller Jr: You are right about the press in India. They love to ask about SRT again and again in press conferences without ever tiring. They love to hear positive comments on SRT from ex cricketers the world over when they should be grilling the likes of Chris Broad, Clive Lloyd and Jeff Crowe about different standards they hold for the Indians.

    By Blogger babi, at 17:37  

  • worma: my wife is from Saharanpur.. the closes airport is either Dehradun (not that commercial) or Delhi (4-5 hrs drive away).

    This is friggin hilarious. puts everything in perspective. How to bitching for the sake of bitching!

    By Blogger losing now, at 17:41  

  • Whenever ENG or SA talk about match venues or facilities, BCCI should ask them to talk to Kadar Khan.

    I think this is how he will reply:

    Miyan, tum besharmi ki zameen par gandagi ki khaad se paida hone waale behayaai ke woh paudhe ho jisay india jad se ukhaad kar naali mein fek diya jataa hai. Ab zyadaa moonh mat khulwao, warna tumhari wo halat karunga ki tum fakir ke fatay hue kurte jaise nazar aaoge. Chal bhaag yahan se!!

    After listening to this, ECB official's face will look like Shakti Kapoor.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 17:42  

  • Ruchir - out of context but LOL

    By Blogger @mit, at 17:44  

  • losing: yeah I know the situation....and I thought Ddun airport was defence only. really funny....and those roads are pretty wild for travelling too

    By Blogger worma, at 17:49  

  • @*,

    Today there is less chatter in this blog. Is this because every one is tired because of the late night match or just a little disappointed or combination of both.

    I a bit disappointed the way we bowled/fielded towards end of our innings. How long will fans have to wait to see the clinical fielding effort which SA displayed.

    Any takes ?


    By Blogger thirdempire, at 18:05  

  • thirdempire TU,
    It is a bit of both combination - disappointment and tired. When ur pumped up, then if ur tired, u come and do stuff. When ur disappointed, the tiredness shows.

    By Blogger Glorious Uncertainty(GU), at 18:34  

  • We do rotations and dropping on everyone - Why not SEHWAG?Drop Sehwag for 2 games to bring his hunger back.
    Instead of Sehwag take Gautam Gambhir for opening, and replace Kaif with Raina.

    By Blogger Glorious Uncertainty(GU), at 18:36  

  • @mit:

    It is out of context delibrately. Point is that when ECB and SA talk nonsense about arrangements etc., BCCI can talk super nonsense to throw them off-guard.

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 18:48  

  • I am wondering about the use of super-sub. Captains seem to plan super-sub with a best case scenario.

    So for example RD was hoping to win toss and use 5 bowlers to trouble SA and then substitute RPS with GG.Similarly Graeme SMith used JO as super-sub.

    If u look back at super-subs in earlier matches they were planned with what the captains would do after winning a toss.

    Now my question is why don't captains plan worst case scenario. Losing a toss and forced to do something they don't like. Like today if indians had to bat 1st use a bowler as a supersub. That way they could have used MK as super sub. IF one of the bowlers bowled badly they could have subbed him with MK if Indian bowled 1st, Otherwise we are safe both ways.

    This should be our stratergy for future matches. India should plan worst case scenario (bat 1st) and play a bowler as super-sub(Even a 4rth seamer).

    By Blogger sreeram, at 18:52  

  • Guys, do you expect any changes in the next ODI.
    I think Kaif is under the gun; He will start as super sub in the next match.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 18:57  

  • GG at #3 looks more solid than Kaif.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 18:58  

  • WI batting; they are showing more application. Gayle is not going for his wild swings yet; looks like a batting beauty; Lara must be relishing to come back to form with a 100.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 18:59  

  • How is the day after guys? SA really something aren't they?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 19:00  

  • Open with Dhoni, bring shewag as a lower order batsman (finisher/slog)Note shewag will come handy in the dry and dusty pitches in other location and hence an utility cricketer. tendulakr stays , Gambhir stays there too, and KAif should be replaced by Karthik... By the way most important- To look SA OR ANY OTHER QUALITY TEAM- " EYE TO- EYE" we need to ...............
    Down with Dravid... Bad captaincy... Placemnet of Fielders, bowling change... simple calculations of overs left of his the best bowlers wre not in his mind...India was a tiger in front of a lame and old lion- the Sri Lnakans... bring her in front of a African Lion with class.. we are sitting ducks...

    Down with dravid... bring back SOURAV.. captaincy matters ..and should not be in the hands of pesudo intelligent withdrawn novices in a team game like cricket..The throne should be with the tigers...bring back sourav...

    By Blogger tami_telu_Nort, at 19:29  

  • Open with Dhoni, bring shewag as a lower order batsman (finisher/slog)Note shewag will come handy in the dry and dusty pitches in other location and hence an utility cricketer. tendulakr stays , Gambhir stays there too, and KAif should be replaced by Karthik... By the way most important- To look SA OR ANY OTHER QUALITY TEAM- " EYE TO- EYE" we need to ...............
    Down with Dravid... Bad captaincy... Placemnet of Fielders, bowling change... simple calculations of overs left of his the best bowlers wre not in his mind...India was a tiger in front of a lame and old lion- the Sri Lnakans... bring her in front of a African Lion with class.. we are sitting ducks...

    Down with dravid... bring back SOURAV.. captaincy matters ..and should not be in the hands of pesudo intelligent withdrawn novices in a team game like cricket..The throne should be with the tigers...bring back sourav...

    By Blogger tami_telu_Nort, at 19:34  

  • Shut the fuck up tami_telu_nort

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 19:37  

  • Tamil

    You speak my mind. I think this needs to be done to save Team india - while playing with Big boys anyone can bully a weak , old and lame team like SL

    I second your thought- down with dravid ----bring Sourav- as cpatain

    By Blogger hatee_effemi_dravi, at 19:44  

  • Calnzu
    if dravid continues we all have to shut our mouth

    Bring back Ganguly and save India

    By Blogger hatee_effemi_dravi, at 19:46  

  • my guess with SA travelling to saharanpur: they're going to a CEO's wedding...i wouldn't be surprised if they're flying in a corporate jet that is specially chartered for them.

    By Blogger dna, at 19:48  

  • Thanks hatee-- or whoever you might be....

    We need to do that immediately... How many of you guys are with this idea...

    down with dravid...bring sourav as captain...or even a Shewag will do...

    Save team India

    By Blogger tami_telu_Nort, at 19:50  

  • I am with Tamil

    down with dravid...bring sourav as captain...or even a Shewag will do...

    Save team India

    By Blogger mallu.in.us, at 19:54  

  • tamil, hatee, mallu, etc:
    why don't you submit a petition online at www.petitiononline.com to bring your hero back?
    that way you won't have to waste your breath here.

    By Blogger dna, at 19:56  

  • guys please !!!! why drag ganguly issue everywhere ? I mean for the next 25 years each time we lose a match are you going to waste some space on the blog thread with " AGAR DADA HOTA TO .. "

    By Blogger Adi, at 19:59  

  • Tamil,

    Let dravid continue ; till this series at least. but usme dam nehi hain.

    He is not a born leader. a good Test batsman. I firmly believe Sourav should be the cpatain again. hewag is alsoa good thought

    By Blogger SharadPowa, at 20:01  

  • For starters there was none of the confidence that was so prevalent during the Sri Lankan series and secondly, they once again proved that if it was a turf assisting the bowler, then they would dance around like a cat on a hot tin roof.

    Captaincy was also below par.. change is near.. Darvid pull your shocks... Ganguly be prepared..

    By Blogger SharadPowa, at 20:22  

  • http://thatstelugu.indiainfo.com/feature/general/ganguly.html

    I have been continuously observing the performance of the Indian cricket team in the recent years. They are lacking consistency in their performance, I feel it is not because of the leadership but lack of self-confidence in the team members, lack of motivators like kapil,jadeja,yuvraj or kaif and dependency on one-man show. It became a habit to the team if one player either sehwag or sachin or dravid plays well the rest of the team satisfies with that.In the recent times, everybody is doubting about the captaincy of Ganguly and lot of discussions are going on. I feel that Ganguly as a captain one of the most successful one. He is having a fire in him in leading the team. But the problem is with his individual performance like Bengal Tiger. It's been a long time seeing his spectacular performance.

    It is the policy of the Indian Cricket team that whoever the captain they must sacrifice their individual performance. If we observe from the long years back after kapil's got down the captaincy, No body was successful when they became captains as the case of Srikanth, Vengsarkar, Ravisastry, Sachin and now Ganguly. They have to give away their talent as a player. Remember when sachin was captain he was unsuccessful in batting and faced lot of critics, but after the captaincy removal he played his own game.

    So I feel Ganguly should be continued as the captain as long as he in the team of course it is possible as long as Big D (Dalmiya) is alive, irrespective of his performance. Because if somebody like Dravid or Sehwag is made captains their performance will go down. So one has to sacrifice their role let it be its Ganguly only by not killing the others. or take a fresh guy from the ranji and make him as captain irrespective of the seniority and leave the team like South Africa did. And for the team members I feel they need some killer instinct either it may be removal from the team if not played well even in one match like ausis or cutting down their ad images. There has been incidents all over the world, that if the captaincy is bad the players themselves leading the teams ahead like windies, or lankans etc. so it shall be made habit to the team members.

    By Blogger SharadPowa, at 20:30  

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    By Blogger Allan, at 20:39  

  • hello guys
    what about non-playing captain.(in tennis they have non playing captain..eg. davis cup)
    instead of 11 players 12 in the field. captain will be a non-player. he will stand near to the ampair and assess the situation and give instructions to the players.

    non playing captain can handle the stress and it wont affect his batting/bowling perfomance(bcoz he is non playing)

    (i think this is the only place ganguly can fit in the current team.)

    gavasker(the inventor of bullshit ideas to design modern cricket) should think about this..!

    By Blogger Allan, at 20:47  

  • Here is more India bashing by England cricketers even before their arrival, courtesy of a member of the English women’s’ cricket team:


    "We arrived at our hotel which has fantastic facilities - especially compared with what may come in India - so we're making the most of it while we can!"

    It is really pathetic to bad mouth Indian accommodation even before getting there. Having lived and traveled extensively in England, I can say that outside of the major well known hotels, English hotels are average to pretty awful, where rooms tend to be damp, cold, poorly lit, dirty, with irregular / non –existent service, with many providing bathrooms to be shared with multiple other guests (this last item is never a problem for the Brits as they only shower/ take a bath once a week at best and they couldn’t care less if the foreigners do). If the English are so bothered by Indian facilities, even before experiencing what lays in store for them, then perhaps they should stick to touring places they are more comfortable with. I am surprised that Cricinfo let her publish this muck. But then again, am not. Quite frankly, I am pissed with these “colonial types” from old world failed economies who still think that they are more equal than others. I hope the BCCI stands firm on this itinerary / venue issue and let them eat crow.

    By Blogger paceman, at 20:49  

  • anybody knows the event name for Bangalore match on SGstream?

    By Blogger bouncer, at 21:01  

  • this is unbeleivable. what do they think about india. do they think we'll lodge them in tents.
    seems they'll find cockroaches and wildlife...in your bed in india

    since they are getting themselves ready to have such an accomdation, we should let them have just that

    By Blogger JD, at 21:03  

  • Paceman,

    Cricinfo IS funded by Wisden, which is you know what...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 21:08  

  • Prem, you keep mentioning our 1996-97 tour to SA as 'India's first tour'... Didnt we go there after the world cup in 1992? (the tour famous for WV Raman's hundred, and infamous for Azhar's dropped catches and Peter Kirsten's run out by Kapil)

    By Blogger Raju, at 21:17  

  • paceman,

    you make good points except for the fact that UK is a failed economy. Not yet, buddy. Still in the top five in GDP. And on per capita basis, India has a lot of cathcing up to do

    By Blogger bouncer, at 21:22  

  • Oldmanblues,
    I dont think Ganguly is creating headache for anybody in the world except a few fanatics like you. hence wisden has more important issues to take care of..

    if we go by your conspiracy theories, wisden should invest in destroying RD and SRT/VS more because they are the ones who have been the pain in the white butt.. its not SG by any chance.. Its Ranatunga what wants a free wicket in Indian Team..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:23  

  • these english folks..i tell you...they think they are from a different planet and look down upon others...If they want to combine their cricket itenrary with touring India, wouldnt they be better off staying away from the friggin cosmopilitan cities like B'lore, Mumbai, Delhi, chennai...What do they expect to find in these cities that they wont find in say, London. If accomodation is their only criteria, then, why not stay at home and catch the cricket action on TV...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:26  

  • Allan, even as non-playing captain, he will be disruptive...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:27  

  • greg2rescue
    then i dont think he will get a place in current indian team.
    all are better than dada's current form

    By Blogger Allan, at 21:30  

  • why not the English come here with a chartered plane.. and travel in it.. almost all places have airports where chartered planes can land.. I have been to places in US in 20 seater planes.. they can land comfortably even on small airports..

    But then, they want everything without spending money... this is THE problem.. Be a FIRST class guest and dont spend much... common..

    a 5 star in Vegas is $100 a night... but you go a relatively small city and demand for a 5 star, its $900 a night.. thats how it works..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:31  

  • this guy "shard powa" is incorrigible...according to him it is imperative that captains do not perform (keeping up with the tradition)...too bad dude...we got a performing captain now. Dude, you shld apply for a job in BCCI. The thought process seems to be apt...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:34  

  • allan, i meant that even as a non-playing anything, this guy does not fit the bill anymore...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:36  

  • Please note that the visiting team has to spend for all its needs.. its only the host board that makes money..

    and they will visit even Jhumri Talliya if we ask them too.. because English board does not make a hell lot money by seling the game in ENG.. they make the most money when we visit them and they make money by selling the rights in India.. Most of the WC money/and sponsorships came from India.. a whopping 56%..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:36  

  • TC, the english team (and it's fans) are just a bunch of whiners...smart ones at that...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:38  

  • big time arrogant whiners

    there should be a fine for whining

    England will pay the highest

    By Blogger suraj, at 21:41  

  • And who the hell wants these English fans in the stadium.. they are not paying more for tickets.. they pay as much as we do.. they also get to smoke stuff almost free of cost...
    and I am sure our beer will hit their head .. right there..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:42  

  • smart because they lay the foundation for covering their asses if theyu loose. I bet they will come out with excuses like this for their loss yesterday :-
    1)There were mosquitoes in the hotel room so the players did not sleep before the fifth day.
    2)The whole team was food-poisoned before the fifth day.
    3)The paki girls are just too good, so couldnt help having a all-night marathon...
    4)Pakistan surely tampered the ball...
    5)The umpiring was pathetic..the umpires must have taken bribes...
    6)There was a guy in the crowd who was reflecting sunlight in the batsman's eyes using a mirror.
    7)The pakistani crowds were wearing bright color dresses and it was so distracting...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:43  

  • Brits should be forced to live in dhabas, eat heavily oiled food before each match and sleep on cots

    By Blogger suraj, at 21:43  

  • Brits should be asked to go for toilet in open fields with pigsd waiting for ...sh*t..
    with no water and paper in sight..
    I am sure pigs will do a cleaner job than they can do with paper..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:44  

  • tc, can u think of more excuses (pls see above post)

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:46  

  • Brits also should be asked bathe in Ganga river before they start visiting places. they have been unholy for too long...

    A crash course in "Riding buses in Indian Metro cities" should be a must visa requirement... run and jump.. and catch the window and hang kinda...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:51  

  • here is a quote from andrew miller on cricinfo :-

    "But all the same, it does no harm for England to be reminded of their mortality from time to time. They are a fabulous fighting force who have created more edge-of-the-seat classics in 12 months than most sides manage in a lifetime. The international game owes them a great debt. "

    Boy, 1 ashes out of how many ? That too in friendly conditions..and these guys are jumping around as though they are #1...it is down to earth (and below) time for these folks in the subcontinent i bet...Welcome...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:52  

  • I would be very happy if PAK fucks them 3-0..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:54  

  • greg2:
    when you guys were going bersick after hari's decision did'nt I tell you we will reach 250. don't you think we made a decent comeback and made a match in the end.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 21:54  

  • The pitch fucked us.. not the africans.. we got 3 wickets in 15 overs on a pitch that was as flat as Diana's chest..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 21:56  

  • rams...I did not complain at all...btw which post are you referring to...
    Anyway, it still does not take away the fact that this guy is a pathetic umpire and shld not be allowed on the field. His poor decision (the ones I have seen) are dating back to TVS cup in india sometime back...the guy has not improved at all...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:57  

  • you got to give it up for those pakis.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 21:57  

  • TC, it is easy to blame the pitch. Top team will perform under any conditions. The aussies proved it when they last visited india. I think the aussies concentrated too much on the last frontier and Spin and got themselves fucked in the ashes. Anyway, I am very skeptical abt venues which have not been time tested at least in domestic fixtures..

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 21:59  

  • rams, yeah...these guys are showing some spunk under woolmer...it is going to be tough times ahead for us too.

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:01  

  • greg2:
    prem's open thread. when india were 5/3 when nilchritz was chanting obscenities i gave a 250 run line for india. you were upset too and rightfully so. i don't think hari will be there for too long. dont worry about him. they will make a series of it.

    also i will post an early one i had in the afternoon in a minute.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:01  

  • dude...it must be some imposter because, The only time I went to the blog was during lunch...do you remember which thread in specific ? I want to look at it..

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:03  

  • @tc,
    I was reading your earleir comment on SG. Gosh, somehow you are bent on pikcing up just 1-2 years of SG's career and dreaming up that is how the guy was all these years. Dream on man. Do you know what Jack Kemp told in his furst interview? He told that he is new to the game and didn't know that SG is the most successful IND cricketer against SA. Well, Jack Kemp knows it now..will you ever get it? Just check out the stats of SG against ENG, AUS, NZ, SA and add to that SG's attitude in the field. You will get a fair idea who is a bigger pain in the w**** ass, SG or others.

    By Blogger SS, at 22:03  

  • ss, why not get kapil dev and sunil gavaskar in the team too...they were also greats...I for one want gundappa vishwanath...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:04  

  • greg2:
    forget it. too may people at the same times. i thought you were there too. but it is not a big deal.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:05  

  • guys from earlier i posted
    my brother was at the game in HYD. he was there at 7.15AM at the ground. he said it was there for the fans to see how well they were responding to the pregame rituals of GC and staff and the attention they are paying to him. he said he was very impressed. he has been to few other games but saw nothing close to this kind of drills. let us hope it is a bad day at the office for the top order. also he said that sachin/rd were conversing often and things of that nature made a lot of difference to the fans at the game and they were very appreciative of the effort after being virually out of it in first 11 overs. just want to pass that on to you from a fan perspective.


    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:06  

  • Prem, u were mentioning dravid not choking the singles (not setting field to prevent singles)for part timers. But I think, Dravids worry, rightly so, is if even for one over the part timers dont get protection in the deep, then SA would have risked any one part timer and scored the maximum, in one over. Then damage done in one over will be enough for another 4 overs. So, may be he didnt have faith in the part timers, as the pitch is not that supportive. Otherwise, there is no reason to feel that he suddenly forget the ploy which worked so well to Lankans

    By Blogger Krishna, at 22:06  

  • @greg2..
    Please read my post before commenting. I am not talking about brining in SG. Basically addressing some bullshit.

    Do you know that SG averaged 73 against SA in 2003? Gavaskar and Kapil were not around at that time!

    By Blogger SS, at 22:07  

  • SG is past the SELL BY date...dont you guys get it ??? He WAS good at one point in time where the strategies would amount to "boys, go out there and enjoy yourselves". No questions, but, how many years you want to keep somebody beyond their sell by date ??? The minute teams started relying on analysis, they FOUND him out. If even friggin Zaheer Khan can plot and get you, then you are way down and out for sure...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:07  

  • ramshorns,
    Thats really a very nice piece of info. Heartening to hear the sachin/rd conversing news. In Ganguly era, sachin will be patrolling the deep....

    By Blogger Krishna, at 22:08  

  • @rams,
    good to hear from the actual field.

    By Blogger SS, at 22:09  

  • ss, sorry...jumped the gun out of irritation on "b ring SG back" mantra...

    BTW, how many games SG played against SA in 2003 to have averaged 73 ? You seem to be good at throwing numbers like SG, let us dig deeper...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:10  

  • rams, good info...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:11  

  • rams, did u read the laxman article...This guy says he has improved a lot on his fitness and fielding and is raring for a come back...

    I know...I know...I was one of the guys who requested you to stop VVS threads, but, since you are an ardent fan, I thought I shld let u know...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:12  

  • @greg2,
    You are walking down the wrong tunnel man. No one hear argues about brining back SG. Do not pick up a fight out of thin air. But do not be blind to what happened also.

    You must be joing when you were talking about SG's strategy. Even his enemies know that he was a great captain.

    By Blogger SS, at 22:13  

  • krishna:
    but prem's point is when the asking rate was below or around six you need to put pressure by preventing singles and batsman take risks to go over the top. i agree with that.

    however one thing that puzzled me was RP not being used for his full quota. it could have made a difference at 166/5.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:15  

  • rams
    yes, RPS should ahve been tried when two wickets were down. The same dravid, who took away shewag after his wicket taking over, didnt replace sachin and allowed him to bowl. RPs defintely better option at that. well, these things happen ...

    By Blogger Krishna, at 22:18  

  • @gre2 ..

    How does it matter? I believe it was a 3 match tornament.

    if you want big numbers then here it is ... SG averaged 53 against SA overall ..in the 25+ odd games he played.

    Compare that with SRT getting 31 in 42 games. Nod , eh?

    By Blogger SS, at 22:18  

  • ..I'll leave it at that. Good night!!

    By Blogger SS, at 22:19  

  • ss, just checked stats guru...the avg for SG against SA in 2003 is 73.5 in 3 matches (147 runs). 2 50s and 0 100s.

    75 - batting first (India wins)
    61 - batting first (India looses)
    11*- finals (no result)

    Is this indicative of the fact that he is the best player against SA ????

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:19  

  • greg2:
    i read vvs interview . good interseting stuff. but i do not go what people say or not. my opinion's are formed watching players over a period of time. as i do on srt and rd i have opinions on vvs. that's all. hope he will back to improve the team.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:20  

  • ok folks...i need to go too...happy blogging...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 22:21  

  • ss
    i see your point of view. but sometimes averages are a bit misleading. quite will not get the true picture.

    1) 100* , 20, 0 has a average of 60.00

    2) 55, 60 , 50 has a average of 55.00

    which one do you take. i will take 2 as it will serve team better most times.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:25  

  • Ramshorn,

    If we are talking about SG, VS, or SRT's averages, then how many times have they stuck around for a NO. These guys have come very early in most of the innings and rarely got a *

    By Blogger bouncer, at 22:30  

  • Prem: The official would have meant " All the centres will get a chance to host international matches, and the England team should comply".

    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 22:39  

  • bouncer:
    As I said above averages always do not give the true picture sometimes. What I was trying to say is SS has given a scenario that has a * and hence I said that. All I was saying is we need to take a closer look at the inning by inning scenario than just an average. A good player will always will look good no matter what.

    To answer your question very rarely do the above guys get a chance to be n.o. and that was never the point of contention.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:41  

  • good night guys.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 22:42  

  • bounce.. what say.. just lost a match.. should we get SG back and fire RD/GC gang..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:50  

  • windies collapsing

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:55  

  • bad decision koertzen

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:57  

  • 5/119.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:57  

  • How may feel that the batting order (or experimentation r strategy)was one of teh main reasons for Indian loss to South AFrica??????????

    By Blogger rajesh, at 23:34  

  • Rajesh, I didn't see much experimentation in the last oneday . It was one of the bad days for top order

    By Blogger squarecut, at 23:36  

  • Dileep Premachandran on VVSL


    By Blogger squarecut, at 23:36  

  • Prem :
    Truth be told, I think this Indian team is really not the best we can have.
    There are a whole lot of glaring weaknesses, waiting to be exploited. The bowling attack, is pedestrain, save Harbhajan.

    Here's my 14 for ODIs. Shaky players for whom we should be ACTIVELY looking for replacements are with "*"

    1. VS
    2. SRT
    3. VVS
    4. RD
    5. YS
    6. MSD
    7. ZK
    8. MK (Karthik)*
    9. HS
    10. RP
    11. AN
    12. IP (Super Sub)
    13. AA
    14. MK* (Kaif)

    Go with a full 3+2 attack, we can't keep praying for 280+ totals. It pays to invest in a bowling attack with some teeth.

    If for some reason, while batting first, we fail to click, substitute IP for AN.
    Actively look for better spinners than Karthik, and more consistent performers than Kaif who can fill into any slot. Somebody mentioned GG, haven't seen him, so can't comment...

    And if for some reason, we are 40 overs + and have lost 2 wickets or so, substitute IP with VVS (better fielder, more bowling options).

    It would be *really* hard to beat this team....

    By Blogger Harry, at 23:53  

  • Nobody knows whether AN is fit and smith will cream ZK. IP is inconsistent and we need a good second spinner which I think will be OK

    By Blogger squarecut, at 23:58  

  • doesn't it take balls to leave out laxman, a wisden cricket of the year award recipient

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 23:59  

  • I am for experimentations and i was really dispaoopinted that the experimentation we made for SA and i feel it was not upto the standard India has set themselves for ... I am not syaing this just because india lost the match...

    The pitch was swinging a bit .. Agreed ... But that does not mean we need to give the initiative back to SA..
    Following are my observations
    1. Being Very very defensive that too at the first game itself . We won against SL because we attacked them ... sending in Kaif at No 3 to me is a worst plan for the first matchof teh series ... I really feel kaif does not have the technique to survive nor can he attack .... So eventually the idea of management was to survive the first 10 overs with say 35 to 40 runs on the board. I would have opted for Irfan or even a Ajit or a dhoni at No 3.
    2. Again one more defensive decision - sending Rahul at No4. There was no reason why a agressive batsman like IP or AA or MD could have come as SRt was there at the crease.. No need for 2 experiemnced batsman to be at the crease in the first 5 overs itself .. Again a defensive mindset ..
    3. Promoting Irfan ahead of dhoni when we are 5 down ... (This makes logic f Ip comes at no 3 or no4)
    I know lot of people are praising this bit .. but I am not for this .. as it implies that we are not very sure of our match winner(dhoni) against SA. Why this defeatist mindset?? Yes ip is talented and got valuable runs .. that is different matter .. But why this switch??? Will it be comforting to dhoni ..
    4. Using supersub ... We should use supersub .. I complete agree .. But when is the question ..? Why cannot we wait till Dhoni got out to take that decision.. What is the urgency to supersub it in the 10th over itself ... If u guys really analyse it by having a hypothetical situation maybe u will understand .. say dhoni,Ip and yuvi play till 40th over and get the score to 200/7. May be we could decide whethere we need supersub or not ..

    Ofcourse this is a gud team which did well after 35/5 ...
    This shld give the boys confidence too that we can win against SA .. if everybody click

    By Blogger rajesh, at 00:00  

  • Lax was not fully fit at the start of the season had some niggles

    By Blogger squarecut, at 00:00  

  • After VS and SRT are back in the hut there is no way one will send IP or Dhoni at 3

    By Blogger squarecut, at 00:03  

  • ********************
    Prem, Ruchir, Worma,

    Can you please start an open thread of discussion after the daily news update. That way - it is easier for people to continue to blog.

    By Blogger nilcritz, at 00:08  

  • I agree...
    I just can't imagine how anyone could be *this* stupid....
    I think his exclusion has more to do with politics than anything else...
    I for one will pay big bucks to watch him in full flow...
    I guess on Indian pitches, even my Grandmother could have flayed the SriLankan attack.
    About Sourav, he's clearly struggling, he has his own demons to conquer before he has any chance on making it back to the team.

    Abt, AN being more injured than available, well if he's available you play him, very very simple. If not, you have so many more pace bowlers in the 14, right?

    Better having more bowling options than batting, because anyways, you aren't going to replace RD/SRT/VS/YS, and VVS. So, what's the point in carrying more passengers than necessary.

    It's the 2nd spin bowling option we really are missing....

    Cmon, think about it, VVS can be subbed out when batting first by IP most of the times, that will give us a 4+2 bowling option (full-time), not to mention part-time spinners in VS, YS, SRT.

    If bowling first, you will have a good 3+2 attack, and when chasing have AN sit out for IP.

    Perfect, don't you think?
    If only BCCI hears me...

    By Blogger Harry, at 00:21  

  • why squarecut???? why not IP or dhoni ....
    Do u want kaf and rahul to play powerplays from over 2 to iver 20 and get a score of 80/3 or 80/4 at the end of 20 overs ...
    Mind u i am a huge fan of Rahul and even i don't want rahul to come in teh powerplay ...
    It is just maxi,um utilization pal..... hope u agree???

    By Blogger rajesh, at 00:22  

  • I agree that there was room for innovative captaincy in this match and RD left much to be desired.

    (a) Subbing GG before allowing MSD/IP to have a go.
    (b) Not having RPS complete his quota of overs.
    (c) Not applying enough pressure to cut singles when they were chasing.

    Having said that, I think India batted fairly well, given the conditions. Cmon, what more proof do we need to bring back VVS. The guy would've creamed this attack...

    By Blogger Harry, at 00:28  

  • harry,
    I agree VVS can come for kaif at any form of the game ...
    If and only if VVS can get the attributes kaif has (except his batting) then vvs will be a certainty ..
    Why the hell can't vvs practise
    1. lofted strokes
    2. Running betwen wickets
    3. safe fielding .. (Just like SRt or RD or VS - all 3 are poor fielders)
    4. Minimise dot balls

    I would like VVS to be in the team only after he changes his approach for ODI's . Anyway he has time and he can deliver ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 00:29  

  • I did not specify any weekness in bowling strategies as i thought 250 is a score we just cannot defend ..
    The last ODi was a cakewalk for them and they won very easily .. whatever the scorecard say or rahul say that SA won only in the penultimate over ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 00:32  

  • SRT- safe fielder??

    you must be kidding me. Do u remember the catch that turned the Indo-PAK series in Pak???

    Where have u been??

    By Blogger suraj, at 00:38  

  • Suraj - Rellay did not get u on SRt and safe fielding ...
    To me SRT is as safe as a rahul or a VS ... But not spectacular as yuvi or kaif ...

    I know that rahul has taken some stupendous catcjhes at slip so do VVS and even VS has taken some outstanding catches in ODI's .. and SRt has taken some athletic stunning ctaches too ..
    But still all these guys can be classified at beast as safe fielders and at worst as poor fielders

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:01  

  • SRT's fielding can certainly not be grouped with VS and RD- he has always been quick in the outfield besides the catches

    Kaif or Yuvi are exceptional fielders and every team has only 2-3 like these but SRT is right after them so certainly above average- no way poor fielder at any time

    VS is the only one who sometimes falls into the poor category

    By Blogger suraj, at 01:07  

  • rajesh, mohammed kaif is also not capable of lofted shots...I havent seen him play it (except a couple of em in natwest final which seems to be during my grand-mom's days)...If at all I am forced to pick Kaif in any team, I will reluctantly do so in the tests and not ODIs...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:11  

  • I really think we need a standard opener instead of VS (who shld bat 1 or 2 down). That is all the magic that is needed in the batting line up. Gambhir is good, but, sometimes, I think he plays too many loose shots...I was very impressed with shikkar dhawan. He will make a good opener some day (soon I hope).

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:14  

  • greg2 rescue....c'mon maan....VS isn't good.Therez sumthing called lean patch..give him sometime,dude.....a few failures and u cant discount the mans talent.Afterall,he was selected for both test and one day rest of the world sides....and thats no mean feat.
    Agree with Suraj completely......SRT isnt spectacular....hez 32.7yrs now....hez as safe as anybody else...but prolly not as agile NOW.

    By Blogger sunny, at 01:18  

  • did u know that VVS's strike rate in ODI is 71.25. Dravid is 70.27. Kaif is 73.64

    I dont see many complaints abt dravid being slow any more these days. If you take MK who comes in lower in the batting order 73 is slow...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:20  

  • sunny, I am not implying that VS is not good. I am his big fan...I am saying that he shld not open in ODIs. I have posted my rationale in this blog in the past. If you want to hear the reasons again, say so...I will post the rationale again...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:22  

  • I have been watching this farce of a test match at Hobart for the past 6 hours. What a joke. If you look at some of the dismissals of the WI players, you will feel like crying. It was that pathetic. Bangladesh could not have done any worse.

    So next time anyone talks of banning Bangaldesh and Zimbabwe from Test Cricket, they should consider WI too.

    These kind of contests are a shame in the name of Test Cricket.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 01:30  

  • dark nights...I agree. WI is Lara + a bunch of club cricketers with no direction or sense...I also think Lara is past his "seel-by" date...no big innings of substance from him in a long time. Not doubting his capacity or class, but, age does catch up and it is time he is gone...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:33  

  • G2Rescue,
    Comparing VVS with Dravid is not fair..and that too the strike rate as a measuring yardstick.Dravid comes with the whole pacakge--consistency,good average,double up as Wkeeper(not needed now though),experience.
    And woz ur 'Rationale'??

    By Blogger sunny, at 01:37  

  • sunny, I was just responding to some post that VVS was slow in ODIs and it was a friendly reminder that he is not too bad compared to few others whose strike rates are not questioned...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:39  

  • Rationale for VS down the order is simple :-
    1)He plays in the air a lot...During powerplays, some of em go straight into fielders hands...better suited when the field is spread...
    2)He is the best player of spinners (right up there with SRT). In middle overs he can be devastating...
    3)He has brute force combined with sublime timing. Can bisect the field big time. I have seen him play shots which reach the boundry before the fielders can move 3 yards. Does not make a difference whether the field is spread or not.
    4)If you saw the way that he played with Dhoni in the third match, you know that he is capable of playing sensible innings as well. Singles at will and boundries of the loose balls. Better than trying to hit all the balls...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:45  

  • kaif shld be out of teh ODi team ...
    GG or SG or VVS in their prime can be in teh team ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:48  

  • rajesh, SG ?????????????????

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:48  

  • I feel SRt shld bat at No 3 and not VS
    VS is too gud .. and will come gud ... If a guy can play tests with teh smae approach .. why not ODI's ...
    The field setting will be same in both tests and ODi's for first 10 to 15 overs

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:49  

  • greg,
    i said SG in his priome pre 2003 form ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:50  

  • rajesh, field is not the same in ODIs in the initial overs and test. In tests, more fielders are behind the wickets lots and lots of open spaces in front of the wickets...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:51  

  • also in tests, VS seems to be a different batsman... ie. picking the right balls to club...In ODIs he wants to go after everything right from the first ball..Even if he comes opening, a slight change of attitude and shot selection would do...he is too good a player to be consistently getting out in 20s and 30s...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:53  

  • greg,
    Kaif and u want him in tests ...
    i really feel it is pathetic to see kaif being even considered for tests ..
    Don't pls say that u include kaif in tests because

    1. He scores runs slowly - takes lot of balls so could be an anchor
    2. good temperament

    Every person who scores slowly need not be a rahul dravid or manjrekar in techniqie or run scoring ailities
    Kaif's highjest FC score is 134 ... so much for teperament

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:54  

  • greg,
    yah .. taht is in shewag's mind .. He can curb his shots and still score at run a ball ..
    Teams have tried to put ODI field placements in tests also for shewag like lot of fileders in front rather than behiond ..

    Remember even Austarlian series .. only 2 slips or max 3 slips and 1 gully

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:56  

  • rajesh, I said that if at all we need to pick him, better test than ODI because, acceleration, strike rate, etc. do not matter too much in tests...As far as I am concerned, I would like to see this guy carry drinks and come in as a sub fielder whenever the opportunity presents itself...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 01:57  

  • greg,
    what do u see of nonexperimentation in batting order for the 1st one day ????

    Do u feel indian think tank was too cautious??????????????

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:57  

  • gud greg .. i like what u said of kaif ... carry teh drinks and field whenever oppurtunity comes .. gud ..
    I really want this idea to be followed by Rahul and co ...
    I am crying from teh roof on this kaif episode that kaif is gud only for fielding ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 01:59  

  • rajesh, they could not afford to experiment too much...they lost a quick wicket and i guess the plan was to send kaif if wicket fell early to consolidate. It seemed like a good move except that kaif played a poor poor shot...
    I think the only bad move was jumping the gun in bringing GG...Also, at 5 for 3, you cannot experiment too much...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:03  

  • i am watching the recording of the 2nd odi on willow tv. sachin and sehwag murdering SL...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:06  

  • awesome paddle sweep by SRT of Vaas still stands out...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:07  

  • I think our boys will come out like tigers to murder SA in B'lore...Bhajji's batting surely must have been some inspiration...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:09  

  • SA deserved better. I mean, look at the practise match before the 1st one day game. Not one player was known. Somehow they managed to pull one out against India. But, I think the series will end 4-1 in India's favor. Atleast, I hope.
    Smith's attitude deserves some harsh treatment.

    By Blogger Rajesh, at 02:10  

  • i want friggin Nel murdered...He was behaving as though the batsman had no rights to be there. As though they shld just buckle down and give their wickets...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:13  

  • murdered meaning, his bowling murdered...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:13  

  • i am pretty sure that viru is going after ntini as well...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:15  

  • i also hope that they plan well for Smith. His technique seems flawed...I am sure they will find him out before the series is over. hopefiully in blore itself...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:18  

  • ok folks...late for me...i am out of here...happy blogging...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 02:19  

  • I think rahul captaincy was exposed. Its better Selectors Make Kaif the captain. I think he has all the abilities to make a great captian. They should make kaif captain both for tests and odis.
    Also i feel, kaif shud open the batting. This will allwow him to take advntage of the 20 overs restrictions. If wickets fall, then he can hold one end together since he has a rock solid defence.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 02:20  

  • dude nel, for being a fairly mediocre bowler, gets a lto of his wickets purely on his asshole quotient. he looks like an inmate from a mental assylum, swears and spits everytime the batsmen leaves a ball and in general is just a dick head. i really hope SRT or VS play one of theior career ending knocks against nel. for being an overated prick, all iw ant to see is SRT send him out of the stadium ala caddick style.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 02:23  

  • I think rahul captaincy was exposed. Its better Selectors Make Kaif the captain. I think he has all the abilities to make a great captian. They should make kaif captain both for tests and odis.
    Also i feel, kaif shud open the batting. This will allwow him to take advntage of the 20 overs restrictions. If wickets fall, then he can hold one end together since he has a rock solid defence.

    Remember Kaif had won the challenger trophy for India Seniors.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 02:25  

  • Kaif has played 100 odis sofar.
    What is intersting to note is that he has hit 201 fours and 9 sixes sofar. That is amazing. Becaue he has scored 858 runs in boundraies..
    Terrific stuff

    By Blogger idli vade, at 02:39  

  • nakshatrika,
    Wat hppnd to u???
    When most of us want kaif out of teh indian team .. u want him to be captain ... Hope u are sarcastic about kaif ..????

    9 sixes in 100 matches which dhoni gets in a single ODI match ...
    Nice analysis mate on kaif's strokeplay... gud ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:01  

  • rajesh,
    that was sarcastic :-)
    also i was tring to find out detials of 9 sixes he hit. got info abt 7 of them.
    3 in a single match agaisnt SA in dhaka. All 3 were of WillingBuy
    2 in that natwest finals. 1 of Tudor and the other one of Roni Irani
    1 agaisnt ZIM. Hit grant flower for a six
    1 agaisnt ZIM. dont know the bowler.
    Dont know abt the other 3 sixes..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 03:05  

  • rajesh,
    that was sarcastic :-)
    also i was tring to find out detials of 9 sixes he hit. got info abt 7 of them.
    3 in a single match agaisnt SA in dhaka. All 3 were of WillingBuy
    2 in that natwest finals. 1 of Tudor and the other one of Roni Irani
    1 agaisnt ZIM. Hit grant flower for a six
    1 agaisnt ZIM. dont know the bowler.
    Dont know abt the other 2 sixes..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 03:06  

  • Gud ...
    now there are lot of people who are supporting me in dropping Kaif and make him carry drinks as the 14th member

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:15  

  • rajesh,
    i dont think dropping kaif would be a good idea. i think though what might work is if he is put on notice. say another 6 matches. but then the management would also have to put VS on notice. as i was saying yesterday, dropping Sg was justified thanks to his lack of form. but then lets use the same yardstick for everyone in the team. you cant have favorites or let one player play in past history while booting another on current form.
    ps : no i am not a SG fan!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:20  

  • The last time India did anything worthwhile in Blore was the WC QF against Pakistan and the Srinath Kumble partnership against Aus.Don't expect too much and start posting profanity here. India will lose this series 3-2 and the last victory would be after the series has been effectively sealed by SA.I am hoping this is does not turn out to be true...but the mind has to rule the heart

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:30  

  • kslice,
    Tell me when has kaif performed well with his batting?????????????
    Kaif is too gud in fielding.. so let him carry teh drinks ...
    I will anyday include a SG or GG or VVS for kaif in the team ...

    Kaif is not a rahul nor a shewag ... so what is kaif supposed to do here?

    kaif is a hardworker .. good teamman .. ask him to improve his technioque against fast bowling ...(common .. don't tell me kaif's technique is gud ... i am fed up of this .. kaif fares as poorly against fast bowling as yuvi against spin)

    To me only one anchor is enough for ODI's and i don't see kaif fitting teh bill here

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:34  

  • ravi1010
    i think its rather premature to be anouncing series results after game 1. also i dont know if you facored in the dew thanks to all the remainign matches being D/N features before you went into nostradamus mode!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:36  

  • ksice,
    regarding shewag .... very difficult to predict ... He has to score and score heavily .. But we are in a dilema what to do ..

    Personally i want shewag to score his usual 30s quickly and consistently against top teams like Aus,Eng and SA and that is enough .. (out of 10 games 5 30s 1 hundred,1 fifty and 3 single digits)

    But against kaif .. it is easy ... u know taht guy does not fit into the top 10 ODI batsman in India ..

    Kaif can improve his technique and shots and then come back into inidan team ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:38  

  • rajesh, i think ther ehave been numerous times when jis 20's and 30's have savd our asses. i amnot saying his technique is good. i dont think i am qualified enough to understand the finer nuances of it. but then from an ameteur view even VS doesnt have a good thec nor does MSD or GG for that matter.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:39  

  • worma said...
    bte, ged...I would love to know your opinion on the whole issue? Apparently you're in India...what do you think about the fuss being made?

    I posted at length on this matter a couple of weeks ago on one of Prem's Blogs (see copy below) and my opinion hasn't really changed since.

    I am in London, BTW, not in India, although as I said briefly on another comment, I was in Cherapunjee earlier this year and can highly recommend the street cricket there. Photos available.

    a couple of weeks ago, Ged said
    BCCI initial itinerarys are never issued for information, rather they are a basis for negotiation.

    Pom bashing in this regard is much misguided - all of your opponents negotiate around the venues.

    I can see the argument both ways. I am in favour of the rotation policy given the geography and demography of India. India has a unique issue in world cricket in this regard and the rotation policy is a must.

    Further, I am embarrased by some elements of the UK press, e.g. those who suggest that Cochin is not a tourist friendly venue (CMJ, you should be ashamed of yourself).

    But they do not speak for the ECB and I suspect that the ECB's enquiries have been measured and sensible.

    I don't think the whole itinerary should be determined by the travelling tourists, but it is very much in India's interest as well as England's that the travelling fans needs are satisfied. It is a unique and wonderful characteristic England can offer (a huge band of money-spending, friends-making, atmosphere-creating fan-tourists) and this should not be ignored by any host nation.

    To make equivalent suggestions about English venues is daft - you can easily day trip from any English test venue to any other.

    As an Englishman who is reasonably well-travelled Indiawise and reaosnably knowledgeable about cricket, I have only two significant concerns about the itinerary.

    Ahmedabad was one of the three test venues for England last time. The wicket was a total bore and the place is not English tourist friendly because of the drinking restrictions.

    Secondly, I suspect that Guwahati is unsuitable. I have flown into the place (how many of you have been even faintly that close?) and travelled around the Assam jungle and down to Meghalaya. Joking apart, you Cherapunjee fans, I suspect that Shillong might be a more attractive venue if you are keen to take cricket to the Seven Sisters. Otherwise, consider holding one of the ODIs at Eden Gardens. You shouldn't hold a test there (it had a biggy this year) but one of the ODIs might be a good idea.

    My main point is that you shouldn't read arrogance or malevolance into the ECBs discussions. The ECB today is a very professional outfit and seeks to look after the interests of all its stakeholders, including its fan base. Don't knock that.

    The BCCI is hardly above reproach.

    We should be in for a marvellous series between two well matched teams.

    I advocate a friendly spirit for that contest, starting with the perfectly reasonable matter of agreeing the itinerary.

    By Blogger Ged, at 03:40  

  • rajesh i do agree with the fact that he doesnt hit 6 and 4 with ease but then again he converts 2's to 3's and 1's to 2's. well lets ee dude. maybe you are right and maybe kaif will prove all his detractors wrong.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:42  

  • kslice,
    kaif's advantages are
    1. fielding
    2. Running between wickets (for him as well as teh runner)

    But he is not suited for No 3 .. Eithere he has to attck or be gud in tech like rahul

    If kaif can become 50% of rahhul take kaif in ...
    If kaif can become 75% of shewag take kaif in ...
    No problem ..

    Bets way is to ask kaif to score in domestic for a year and come back ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:47  

  • well, kaif has only 5 first class hundreds. his heighest is only 134. dont know agaisnt whom..
    thats a below average record considering people have a great record in indian domestic matches..
    now dont tell me he dint too many ranji matches since he was busy playing for india..
    you cannot persist one player forever just because he is a good fielder and a team man. give chances to others. they might be as good a fielder and team man with better batting.
    many talk abt kaif's 100 agaisnt NZ in zimbabwe recently. But that was dead match with no interst. And also Shane bond was not playing. The pathetic Mills was a strike bowler.
    Even Damien Martyn/Jaque Kallis also dont hit too many sixes. But they have technique and also treat to watch

    By Blogger idli vade, at 03:50  

  • rajesh
    point accepted,

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:51  

  • I think we are over analysing the situation... I saw the replay of the game last night( courtesy DD) and we were pretty flat.. Gone was the electricity that was the hallmark of the Indian performance against SL. I believe that if we can raise our performance level by 10%, we should be more than a handful for the proteas..

    By Blogger SHRI, at 03:56  

  • Murali Karthik shud consider himself very lucky for being subbed. If he had played, that wud have been his last ODI.
    Now he is again in the contention..
    He should thank GOD.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 03:56  

  • Murali Karthik shud consider himself very lucky for being subbed. If he had played, that wud have been his last ODI.
    Now he is again in the contention..
    He should thank GOD.

    Am sure he will play in bangalore. India will bat first. In the second innings murali larthik will get hammered all over the part..
    He will then get a DUE factor excuse.
    So he will play in the 3rd odi.. SA will bat first. Will collapse. He comes on to bowl at 90 for 5. So will not get hammered..
    Again gets seelcted for the next game..
    This will go on and on.....

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:01  

  • lol nakshatrika... what has kartik done to upset u this much...

    By Blogger SHRI, at 04:03  

  • Worma.. Martin Johnsons latest column

    Pakistan brought back to life by threat of defeat
    By Martin Johnson
    (Filed: 17/11/2005)

    In pics: England collapse in Multan
    Winter tour squads

    On the early morning suicide run to the ground, there was a bicycle transporting no less than five people, including a boy of about eight balancing on the crossbar. Whether or not this constitutes a record for a Test match in Multan (Bill Frindall is still working on it) who knows, but it might have served as a reminder to the occupants of the Pakistan team bus that while yesterday's task was improbable, it wasn't impossible.

    There are many ways of securing an appointment with the undertaker in Multan, balancing on crossbars in the rush hour traffic among them, and if he's been working overtime over the past week or so, it's probably because he's been busy embalming the cricket pitch. It barely registered a pulse over the five days, and yet there appears to be no such thing as a boring Test match in the modern era, not even in Pakistan.

    It was at least as appropriate to congratulate the home team yesterday as it was to travel back in time to the bad old days and realise that, when they're supposed to be in the business of building on their Ashes exploits, England's bricklayer turns out to have a direct bloodline to the bloke responsible for the Walls of Jericho.

    Quite how Pakistan discovered an energy largely absent for the previous four days is hard to say, except for the fact that fear is a powerful motivator in this part of the world. There are three types of veils in Multan, one worn by the women for religious reasons, one by the men to keep out the dust and one by their cricketers to disguise themselves in the event of losing.

    The first clue we had as to how focused Pakistan were was when Inzamam ul Haq made a diving stop in the gully. This may be routine stuff for your average cricketer, but when they get around to erecting a monument to Inzy in his home town, they won't know which is the statue and which is actually him. It is the first recorded instance of Izamam getting dirt on his sweater, or indeed effecting a piece of fielding that registered more frames per second - albeit marginally - than the slow motion replay.

    There was also an animated excitability about the fielders - together with agitated appealing - that took us back to tours gone by. In such an atmosphere it might have been over sooner but for the two neutral arbiters, as opposed to the hair-trigger locals they used to get in this part of the world. "I am sorry, Mr Brearley," an Indian umpire once said to the England captain over lunch, "but I felt my finger going up, and I just couldn't stop it." A similar conversation involving an England captain might have taken place in the dressing-room after the dismissals of Andrew Flintoff and Kevin Pietersen. "I'm sorry, Mr Trescothick, but I felt myself about to play the shot of a complete plonker, and just couldn't help myself." As Flintoff did much the same in the first innings as well, Trescothick, unlike Brearley, may not have found it entirely amusing.

    It was perhaps appropriate that this double slice of vaudeville immediately preceded the arrival of the drinks cart - a giant Pepsi tin propelled by three invisible men inside, propelling it, like the middle bit of a centipede, with their feet. As with England's batting, it was a scene straight from It's A Knockout. Mohammad Sami worked up a pace at least the equal of Shoaib Akhtar, and if Danish Kaneria is no Shane Warne, he does at least have a googly which - in terms of being able to read it - was sent down in Urdu to England's batsmen.

    If there was anything to raise a smile at the end, it was Steve Harmison edging Shoaib low to slip. The umpires approached each other with a view to referring it to a TV replay, but by the time they met Pakistan's joyous fielders had removed all six stumps by way of souvenirs and their coach - Bob Woolmer - was already on the field joining in the hugging.

    The conversation abruptly changed from "Do you think it carried?" to "Do you want to be lynched?", and, with England 1-0 down, you don't need to be a genius to predict that the pitch in Faisalabad will be as flat as a chapatti.



    By Blogger SHRI, at 04:04  

  • I wonder where shastri has gone. Dint see him in the commetry box. That really surprises me..
    Also he is smart guy. He hasnt signed excusively for espn or start or ten sports. That allows him to work for all channels..
    But shastri is pathetic. He will praise the opponent team's player if the co commentrator is from that contry.. And u can predict what hes gonna say..
    Here are some
    1)It took a roooothless performace..
    2)When zoysa come he will say he ha the ability to surprise the batsmen with bounce
    3)When he sees arnlod in the field > he will say he can turn his arm over
    4)cut away and put away
    5)thats edjed and taken
    5)Whenever someone plays good he will say.."What i lked abt him is...." some crap story he will tell.
    there are many more.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:08  

  • shri, karthik has upset the whole nation with teasing spin,loop,flight,arm ball,wrong and many more..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:10  

  • When the ball goes behind after hitting pad Shastry will say
    "We will have to wait for the umpire's signal here"

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:14  

  • patience nakshatrika.. Kartik is a much better bet than most left arm spinners to wear the India cap..

    By Blogger SHRI, at 04:15  

  • lol nakshatrika.. maybe you should audition for the next instalment of "Harsha ki Khoj"

    By Blogger SHRI, at 04:16  

  • lol shri. harsha is also pathetic.may be pathetic is not the right word here. i wud say he is boring. u can predict what he wud say..
    people like dean jones,jef boycott, mark tayor,mike hayseman do a very good job.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:20  

  • Yesterday Ranjiith Ferando was saying "The pitch has too much of assistance for south african bowlers. If srilanks had played here they wud have been effective too. Especially maharoof who has the ability to swing the ball"

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:32  

  • shri, thx for the article..saw that, and many more analysis this morning about Eng performance. Will put them up in a post later

    By Blogger worma, at 04:44  

  • thers a site called cricbuzz.com. it will have a poll which will last for ages. it will hv lotsa articles.. but all of the articles point to some other sites.. they dont write anything on their own.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 04:52  

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