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Monday, November 14, 2005

Quick post

Thanks, Ruchir and Worma, for the roundups. Makes life considerably easier on a Monday morning.
Will pick up the various threads later in my day, once I get the week's edition on the road. Meanwhile, a question I'd love to get your thoughts on -- over the weekend, the national selectors decided to retain, for the SA series, the side that shut out Sri Lanka 6-1. Your thoughts? Is there any player outside of the squad you would have liked to see included -- if yes, who, and why? And if there is a member of the current squad you believe should not be in the team, then again -- who, and why?
Will be back, around 3-ish my time, in the meantime look forward to hearing from you.


  • santh...should not be in the 15. He should be dropped and zaheer should be in according to me....santh will be the biggest mistake and cannon fodder for south africans
    It will be a deciding a series for murli too

    By Blogger tombaan, at 11:50  

  • Prem, team is pretty good. YS should have been dropped and bought in Badani. Rest of the team is good.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 11:51  

  • Zaheer Khan should be in place of Sreesanth.

    Laxman in place of Yuvraj.

    Is Ashish Nehra fit? Whats the story with him. If he is fit, He should be brought back in place of JP Yadav.

    By Blogger dust bowl curator, at 12:00  

  • definitely murali karthik shd be out. and zaheer deserves a place given his recent form. murali has clearly lost his magic and looks predictable at best. he kept tossing it up slowly when there was no assistance and the SL waited and feasted on them. Sehwag looks a better option to murali. I haven't seen him bowl the arm bowl and there was no variety in his bowling! time to look for a spin alternate.

    By Blogger Ragav, at 12:02  

  • I would have picked ZK and AK in place of SSanth and MKarthik

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 12:03  

  • It is a tough call although I would like to have someone else tried for the following in the team now:

    JP Yadav - I dont think his batting cuts it. Not from whatever I have seen so far although he does tend to stick to a wicket to wicket line ala Robin Singh.
    Murali Karthik - was very unimpressive. The wide he gave in the last over of the 7th ODI was a shocker.

    These two are the weak links. Santh needs another series. He is quick and does not spray the ball. Needs some coaching to maintain a good lenght in the initial spells and to bowl fuller in the death.

    Instead of JPY and Karthik I would have tried Ramesh Powar (too bad he was given a decent run) and one more good bat.

    By Blogger vshan, at 12:04  

  • Piyush Chawla can be kept in the squad...but maybe they'll do that anyway to get him the feel of things. Am not advocating his inclusion into playing XI yet....but yes if we get comfy position in this series as well...why not.

    Dont see anyone who can be excluded *yet*. Although Khan could have made it once again, but I'm sure his time will come soon. Probably as soon as the test series. Coz I don't think SS, RP etc are ready for test matches yet. ZK and Balaji would surely get in.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:05  

  • Worma - we will go with ZK,IP and AA in test series.

    By Blogger J, at 12:08  

  • worma - for the test series Balaji is a sure bet.

    Piyush - I am scared. Would not want him to get tonked around by the likes of Kemp. Needs to be honed and handled carefully.

    Zaheer - I dont think he will be back soon. Needs to prove that he is out of the coterie! ;-) (pardon me - could not resist the dig)

    By Blogger vshan, at 12:09  

  • Wonderful, Prem I wanted to ask the same question, personally to you. Hence I am looking forward to your thoughts on this selection. You had sighed when the team for only first 3 ODIs.

    I did read TOI report on Chappel going ganguly's ways and GS(RSA) saying that 'India is predictable with its side', and way SG/ZK is treated, bit disturbing for me though, though its brighter days ahead.Our bowling isn't tested enough to bank on the young brigade, ofcourse our batting has been always 'best' in the world everytime. Yes, our fielding has gone few notches ahead.

    PS:Not sure if you do read these all comments.

    By Blogger Sree, at 12:09  

  • Would have liked to see Venu Rao in the squad. Looks like a good slip fielder and a very promising batsman. Didn't RD say that Rao, Raina and Dhoni were the future of Indian Batting?

    By Blogger mamu, at 12:10  

  • sree
    u waste ur time reading the Toilet of India ??

    By Blogger GK, at 12:11  

  • mamu
    u wanted venu in place of whom ?

    By Blogger GK, at 12:11  

  • vshan
    why is balaki a sure bet ? i mean yeah he is one of the contenders but im not so sure. abt chawla i agree we need to take our time to get him in

    By Blogger GK, at 12:13  

  • why is no one talking abt anil kumble as the second spinner ? for me south africa are weak against spin and we need to use it as an attacking option

    By Blogger GK, at 12:14  

  • Prem,
    The cliche is not to change a winning combination. But, if a certain player within that combination has consistently failed to provide any contribution to the team, a change should be made. Murali Kartik has been a failure for 25 ODIs now. How many opportunities is enough before you start to convert that “talent” into actual production on the scoreboard? After these games, he has 26 wickets at 43.15 with an economy rate of 5.14. All three of our part-time spinners, Sachin Tendulkar, Yuvraj Singh, and Virender Sehwag have better ODI bowling figures. Furthermore, Kartik is a slow mover in the field and does not contribute very much with the willow. Playing against the South Africans, notoriously poor and inexperienced players of spin, at home is the perfect opportunity to blood a new spinner. Piyush Chawla would be my pick since I was most impressed by his understanding of bowling angles at such a young age. He was willing to come round the wicket in the Challengers to the right-handers and make it very difficult for the batsmen to get him away. Such a line of attack requires extremely good control, and he displayed just that. Additionally, he had the tactical nous to bring the lbw into play by mixing in deceptive googlies while coming round the wicket to the rightys. Chawla also possesses the batting and fielding abilities that Kartik does not.

    Another player I would like to see in the squad as he is fit is VRV Singh. He was certainly the quickest on display during the Challenger Trophy and when one considers that SreeSanth and RP Singh have both been clocked in excess of 140km/h, who knows how quick VRV is—150+? He also displayed some potential with the bat with a match-winning cameo 20-odd for India A versus the Seniors as well as two cameo knocks of 46 and 47 in the only Duleep Trophy game he played.

    BTW, your thoughts on 4 D/N matches versus RSA? Is that not playing into their hands by making dew a significant factor, reducing the effectiveness of spinners, of which RSA possess none of any note. In fact, I don’t think RSA would mind bowling under lights when the pitch noticeably quickens up and more bounce is on offer. This would suit their seamers perfectly.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 12:16  

  • Since SA is known to be weak against leg spin, it would have been nice to see Amit or Piyush get a break into the team. The one most likely to go out being SS or Karthik.
    I would give JPY a longer run, he will be especially useful overseas where the fast bowling allrounder will be preferred. So he needs to be in the team to get more experience and confidence.
    Nehra is India's best bowler in ODI's. But he cannot make it to the team unless he is fully fit.

    By Blogger Vins, at 12:17  

  • gk: good question. I would bring Venu in place of Raina or Yadav. He bowls off-spin too and Yadav is no great bowler.

    By Blogger mamu, at 12:17  

  • Guess first choice attack will be IP AA RPS... from all accounts ZK seems to be in good form - was hoping he would get a chance against SA, in place of SS. Guess team management does not quite have him in their ODI plans.....

    In tests, I guess ZK will make a comeback after the strong Duleep outing. As for Balaji, don't know what he has done to demand a comeback.

    By Blogger CricLover, at 12:18  

  • If fitness and attitude is the manthra...i dont see how balaji, nehra and khan can fit in. All the three deserve a test spot but for the above.

    Santh, frankly from the very little i have seen of him, not too convinced he can weather the SA attack. Should be a pleasant shock if he does come out good in this series.

    With regards to spin, murali only as long as we break chawla into the team, murali is not good for a long term plan.

    Wouldnt tinker with the bat at all.

    By Blogger Realms, at 12:18  

  • well i think being more of "all-round" players raina and yadav got in ahead of VR. But VR is a classy bat and very soon he will make his place as a genuine batsman

    By Blogger GK, at 12:20  

  • hi prem,

    I have few complaints about this side, As said in the interview, I can't go teach the people who doesn't have incline to learn.

    All we need is young players, who can willing to learn and committed to the side.

    These are the few things that i want to see happenning
    1) Yuv's consistency, if he plays like one in 10 innings, he should be out of the team.
    2) More consistent bowling performance from Murali, Santh.
    3) Sehwag should cobnvert good starts
    4)I got the feeling that indian team relaxed a bit after srilanka realing at 90/5. They need to go allout and seize those moments.Even in fielding we relaxed.ANy stats to support?? anyone??
    5)I would like to try out remaing fast bowlers strength as well like Bose and munaf and etc
    6) what is the status of Nehra, he is not fit ot not selected???
    7) Certainly found Tendulkar and Sehwag little bit slow on the filed.
    Anyone agree with that???
    Guys, Feel free to comment on above..

    By Blogger smart chap, at 12:21  

  • yeah i keep hearing that karthik shud be out and piyush or amit being in but i fail to understand why not kumble ? he has done it before and he has always done well against SA

    By Blogger GK, at 12:21  

  • smart chap
    i think u r too impatient with SS and look only at stats for sehwag ... he may not have great stats this series but in every match almost he has given us a good quick start plus his bowling is a big plus

    By Blogger GK, at 12:23  

  • gk

    Balaji has been very successful in the past in tests. He is a wicket taking bowler and needs to be persisted with. I doubt if he would ever be useful for ODIs. HE would be the VVSL of bowling for us :-)

    Venu Rao is probably the bat I would take in my team. Very impressed with the guy. I just love the way he played Muralitharan - he spotted his doosras and cut them late, fine, etc. And is never hurried into his strokes. I am sure he will stay for a long time if honed properly.

    By Blogger vshan, at 12:23  

  • http://sport.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/11/13/scath13.xml

    By Blogger tombaan, at 12:23  

  • Its the right decision to keep this squad, everyone has performed well and is gelling together under RD.

    On a separate note though, this would be a good opportunity to finally take a call on some of the 'others'. Among batsmen, its basically VVS Laxman and Hemang Badani.

    Among spinners, Murali Kartik.

    Among quicks, Zaheer,Nehra, Balaji,Agarkar.

    These guys have been in and out of the squad, the odd good performance followed by consistent bad ones (in ODI's).

    Winning against the Proteas might be good, but it would be nice if by the end of this ODI series, and next month's test series, a decision could be made with regards to those players.

    Its a weird situation to keep blooding in new players, which is akin to opening more doors, while not entirely closing the door on others. Its like a double edged sword, could lead to a problem of plenty, or a sea of mediocrity.

    Past experience indicates that the latter is what happens, in the case of Indian cricket.

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 12:27  

  • One Good thing about reg omission is No Soul is talking about the Former Greatest Captain of India , Legend Sourav Ganguly.

    THat is really good for the Indian Cricket

    By Blogger Shyam Prasad, at 12:38  

  • vshan: >>Piyush - I am scared. Would not want him to get tonked around by the likes of Kemp. Needs to be honed and handled carefully.

    I see this common sentiment amongst many others also that its not good for the youngster to blood him so early..and that too in ODIs. How early should one come in...that depends on how early is someone ready to handle the various pressures of the game....that he probably has shown while doing well at U19 level (from where many others have come, most notably Pathan in recent times). I agree that domestic performances have their importance...but we know that in India they are not a 'definitive' indicator of class, and more so in ODIs...hence our selections are often a mix of domestic and 'instinctive' ones. I see it working well if used judiciously (btw, did you read the recent Osman Samiuddin article in cricinfo about Hasan Raza, and the Pak system of chosing young players on instinct?) and not overdone.

    As to his psyche and game getting a setback if exposed to batting mayhem of subcontinent ODIs...surely the team management would also realise that? Wouldn't they, after close interactions with the guy (and his associated colleagues, coaches etc) have figured that out? From what I read, he seems pretty mature for his age.

    >>Zaheer - I dont think he will be back soon. Needs to prove that he is out of the coterie! ;-) (pardon me - could not resist the dig)

    ahh...the coterie....I forgot...he belongs to the Gang gang...the other Untouchables of Indian cricket ;-)....I believe those 'sins' have all been washed away with a couple of well measured overs in Duleep Trophy finals....no?

    By Blogger worma, at 12:41  

  • shyam prasad...dude...the reason for not talking about 'him' have nothing to do with the justification of his omission :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:43  

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    By Blogger Funtoosh, at 12:43  

  • Spin is Southafrica's biggest bete noire.. I would like to see Piyush Chawla and Zaheer Khan in the squad in place of Murali and Santh. Mural Karthik may not be effective, since SA's greatest spinner till now - Nicky Boje is a leftie.. And Zaheer Khan is doing really well in local matches to deserve a chance. Sree Santh is a bit wayward and too much expectation at this raw stage would do him no good.

    By Blogger Raju, at 12:48  

  • i would like to see piyush chawla in place of JP Yadav. we have got 2 all rounders in making(Pathan and Dhoni). no point in trying to find 1 more allrounder with supersub rule in place. piyush chawla should be tried in 4th or 5th ODI(if we had already won the series).

    and, the issue of opening in ODIs. i would like to see GG/VS opening or GG/SRT opening, just to bring back Left/Right combination. If GG is not seen as long term prospect for ODIs by team management, try out SG in opening with SRT, send sehwag down the order.

    in my opinion, ganguly's career in tests should have been over 1 year back, but in ODIs he still scored runs (however ugly it may have looked). and to find out whether ganguly can play in 2007 world cup once for all. say india loses ODI series against Pak & Eng next year, it will be too late to figure out whether ganguly can play ODIs any more.

    By Blogger muthu, at 12:48  

  • vipul: Zaheer and Balaji were dropped due to performance...so its harder for them to get back into the ODI setup. While Kaif went out purely due to injury...he had to play a domestic game to prove his fitness. Not his *form*. He would have been back even if he'd scored a 70 ball 20 in that innings. And rightly so.

    And SG, JW etc team management did *not* have the policy of retaining 'loyal' players. Those were players who fitted in a plan....a plan which had worked pretty well over a period of time. And GC is doing pretty much the same thing because thats the *only* way to go. Fletcher is doing the same with Eng team....infact thats how he's built that team. Thats why Collingwood is playing instead of Shah today. And Jones instead of Prior, Read etc. And thats why Woolmer is so keen on playing Malik at all costs.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:48  

  • I would have liked to see Zaheer in the squad (instead of santh) but maybe waiting for the tests for him would be good.

    I think the man has been tearing up domestic circuits for the past few months now and does look the best bowler around. Hopefully his dropped for the past few series would have served the purpose of putting him on notice and lit the proverbial fire under him.

    By Blogger BTB, at 12:50  

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    By Blogger Funtoosh, at 12:55  

  • In my earlier post , I have talked about Anil Kumble, and GK also brought his name up.
    What is wrong with him ? .
    Agreed he isn't the best fielder or bat around, but will score(play) over Murli Karthik most of the times .
    I still insist ZK and AK in place of SS and murli Karthik

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 12:57  

  • I notice everybody is touting for Zaheer's inclusion but it has to do more with his attitude than his performance. GC doesn't want a bad apple to spoil the team spirit that is at its peak. Same goes with Gangs, it is an illusion to expect him back in the team.
    My vote is for Chawla's inclusion simply because of SA's weakness agains spin.

    By Blogger babi, at 12:59  

  • worma,
    i think owais shah is injured, that is why paul collingwood is playing for eng. about coaches selecting the team that suits their plan, is it the right way to go always? dump the player who adapt slowly and pick up players who responds to coach's commands(even if the player has lesser skills)?

    just three weeks back, lot of people were discussing about chappel's methods, whether he was wanted by team india etc. just one series win at home - does it justify everything that he does is right?

    By Blogger muthu, at 13:02  

  • AS Long as ZK has aggressive attitude, I would be with him.
    Personaly I wont let SG in because of attitude .. (I had to bring his name .. my apologies)

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:03  

  • Among the fast bowlers outside: VRV Singh, Balaji, Zaheer, Nehra, Amit Bhandari, Joginder Sharma will constitute the pecking order for me. I will get VRV Singh in whenever he has recovered from injury. Balaji in whenever if VRV doesn't recover. Balaji's record shows that he is expensive. But he has played - what, 1 match? - undeer the "new" management. He hasn't played lot of matches under the "old" management either. He deserves a longer run. Zaheer looks committed and why not? Nehra is our best one day bowler - even better than Pathan actually - and if he wants to play one dayers only, surely that is not a disqualification! I will treat this as a make-or-break series for Santh. Given him 3 chances, and if he doesn't do well, send him back to first class cricket.

    Among the spinners, Ramesh Powar, Sairaj Bahutule deserve a longer run. At least for Bahutule, age may count against him. What has Powar done wrong? For Kartik, this has to be make-or-break series. Give him 3-4 chances.

    Among the "all-rounders", for Yadav, this has to be make-or-break series as well.

    For the batsmen, the eternal bridesmaids - Badani, Mongia and Sriram - deserve a run, but no spots right now. I will give a chance to Utthappa if we win the first 3 matches and rest Sachin.

    By Blogger RV, at 13:05  

  • if chawla can be included why not mishra or bahatule or even kumble
    chawla needs to get more experience

    By Blogger tombaan, at 13:05  

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    By Blogger Funtoosh, at 13:05  

  • ZK in place so SreeSanth and VRV (when fit) in place of JPY. JPY is on the wrong side of 30 and is certainly not the future.

    By Blogger DesiChap, at 13:08  

  • Prem:
    To answer your question on the teams composition I already posted several times on this blog that VVS Laxman would be one guy that need to be in. His selection should be a no brianer considering what he brings to be table than what he does not??? I see that is what we dwell on when it comes Laxman. Also given the new rule changes where we can now have a supersub it makes all that more sense to have him in the 15. Considering his form he look to be in great nick as he proved in the Challenger. I would think rotating Yuvraj for Laxman would have made a lot of sense given this and also would have sent a strong signal to Yuvraj. In my books he is in the top two batsman in the country and there should be a place for him in the 15.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 13:11  

  • muthu:
    >>i think owais shah is injured, that is why paul collingwood is playing for eng.
    Dude, I know that...infact I pointed it out in my post last week that Shah is injured, hence not considered as a replacement for Vaughan. But Collingwood is not coming in place of Vaughan, is he? He's already there in the touring party. And its no secret that Fletcher likes his attitude and hence picked him over Shah (btw, when Eng team for pak was declared, Shah wasn't injured). In fact its no secret that Fletcher has a mental check-list which each of the aspirants need to qualify to be picked up. And its no secret either that Fletcher has not really been enamoured by Shah earlier (he did play ODIs remember?). This issue came up during the natwest series as well. In fact, I do seem to be reading the Shah is mending his ways to qualify into Fletcher's plans.

    >>about coaches selecting the team that suits their plan, is it the right way to go always? dump the player who adapt slowly and pick up players who responds to coach's commands(even if the player has lesser skills)?

    No ofcourse its wrong to dump slow learners....its about dumping those who don't want to learn. And when they do mend their ways...they should be again into contention. And btw, being successful at international cricket is not just a simple measurement of skills of A vs B....is it? Or else Pak would have been World Champions for past 10 years :-)

    >>just three weeks back, lot of people were discussing about chappel's methods, whether he was wanted by team india etc. just one series win at home - does it justify everything that he does is right?

    No ofcourse not. I was pointing to a specific issue that you brought up. IMO neither the previous management, nor this management is favouring 'loyal' players....its favouring players who fit into their plans....plans which they believe are key to future success. They can be wrong with their formulation of the outline of those plans itself. But they are not wrong in building a team fitting into those plans. Thats what all good coaches do...that was my point.

    And no I dont belive that everything GC or RD does it right...I do point out mistakes when I see them.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:15  

  • vipul...I already answered to your point above (check my comment at 12:48)...did u read that?

    By Blogger worma, at 13:17  

  • gk, maybe you are right. I should not read toilet of INdia paper, but Prem's links took me there? Yeah I remember, while at delhi, I used to read their publication and it was absolute crap, no info at all, except for the masala.

    By Blogger Sree, at 13:21  

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    By Blogger Funtoosh, at 13:27  

  • worma,
    i don't know about collingwood being already there in team's plan. point taken. regarding gc's team building for future, i would like to wait till eng series get over next year. that will give more idea about where our ODI team stands.

    By Blogger muthu, at 13:28  

  • I just think that Arjuna Ranatunga is a Fat Mother Fucker and shouldnt bother commenting about Indian cricket affairs


  • Rams,

    Lax is one of those unlucky ones not to make it. He didn't do himself good by being inconsistent in OD's. Heck everybody starts critising about him if he fails in couple of tests.

    To comeback into Oneday side he needs to score heavily in tests and expect couple of players to fail in onedays. Real test for this team comes against teams like Aus then everybody will miss Lax. As long as we perform consistently I don't think Lax can make a comeback.

    I am not sure why GC branded him along with SG and others. Does anybody have info about this? I thought GC has great admiration for Lax batting skills.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 13:31  

  • muthu...and now its my turn to agree :-)...when GC joined team India...and all throughout the lowly SL and Zim tour phases when his fan-base wasn't really expanding as fast as it is now....I still thought (and debated) that IMO atleast one full season is the minimum criteria to judge him.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:33  

  • Hi Prem,
    Dinesh Mognia would be in my team. I would use him expecially since his performances in Twenty Twenty competitions was quite outstanding. He will be useful in containing hitters like Kemp and he is a good bat.

    By Blogger The Archer, at 13:33  

  • Nehra, Zaheer and Balaji all deserve a decent chance a longer rope. We also need to continue to look for a spin alternative to Murali Kartik (Piyush?), though despite a mediocre series he has shown flashes of genius and who knows with confidence might turn into a match winner. Dinesh Mongia should probably get another look in.

    By Blogger Arvind Ranasaria, at 13:34  

  • I think SS shouldn't be in this team. He is too raw and needs to spend some time in Domestic tournaments.

    I guess he is in the side to keep Zaheer out.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 13:37  

  • Interesting how lots are concerned about exposing youngsters against SA.... didn't the same apply to SL?

    Yes, for sure SA is on a roll, on a long unbeaten run, mostly on home soil - and they have some hard hitters, and are ranked 2 in the world - but SL were in a similar position, and in the end were soundly trounced.

    Not saying it is going to be easy at all, SA will be tough customers and have a lot of momentum, but surely our focus remains the world cup and all this is "preparation"! Perhaps it is ok to toss the young guns into the deep end - and the deserving ones will claim the WC berths.

    By Blogger CricLover, at 13:38  

  • worma,
    I do believe that GC and RD are making the mistake of leaving out ZK. Again why is Dinesh Mongia not being tried? I also believe that in the name of favouring people that fit the plan, they favouring loyalty.

    "And when they do mend their ways...they should be again into contention". Do you think this hold good for SG too? I am not sure.

    By Blogger Funtoosh, at 13:40  

  • Isn't one series is good enough to get the feel of how these young guns are doing?

    By Blogger squarecut, at 13:40  

  • ZK was never a good oneday bowler. Once batsmen starts picking him he don't know
    where his is bowling. RPS looks far better than ZK based on recent performances.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 13:42  

  • JPY could make way for someone else

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 13:45  

  • JPY is a utility player.
    Though HS was not MOM in any game but his contribution to victory can't be ruled out.
    I see JPY fitting in that role. coming in at no 6 or 7 in bat. and bowling 10 overs for 35.
    Fro me he scores over few other players in team

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:49  

  • unforunately ( actually in a good way) the indian dominance in SL series didn't let the likes of JPY get too much of a chance

    In all the matchesthe late order/tail didn't really have to carry the match at all

    I think the situation is going to be pretty different with SA so maybe JPY does nees a chance to prove himself

    not sure abt MK- doesn't seem like he has delivered much as a spinner

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:50  

  • I would definitely like to have Murali K out = the part timers bowl better than him - VS, YS can cover for the bowling slot created and we can go in with VVSL as another batsman - though I did suggest many days back that VVSL would be a very good super sub.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 13:50  

  • Hi,

    Just wondering a bit.

    I dont think the top order batting or the bowling was consistent through out the SL series - except for two batsman (Dravid & MSD) and two bowler (IP, HS). I dont buy into the BS "every other player put their hands up and played their bit".

    I don't think, we are going to cause any problem to SA.

    By Blogger Partha (பார்த்தா), at 13:51  

  • funtoosh: As I said...I believe ZK would be back, if he keeps up the good work. When a player has been dumped for performance...then its not as objective a decision about how much domestic show is good enough to earn a recall. Then, there's also the matter of being unjust on someone picked in his place (SS) and dumped without enough trial. ZK has proven talent...and if he keeps up the attitude, his time should come soon. While SS is someone who needs to be tested, and we're some way through that process. If he's dropped now, then we either end his career unjustly...or recall him later and hence start the judging process again.

    Dinesh Mongia is not team managemen't problem....its more of a long term selectorial issue (unlike Balaji or Zak who underperformed and probably management wanted to try alternatives). Btw, I dont think Mongia is grabbing his opportunities well enough. He didn't do much in Challenger and Duleep. He might have been unjustly dropped in the past (thats also debatable) but if he keeps scoring loads of runs, no-one can stop him from returning, can they? Infact, the same goes for Laxman too....if he gets into this prime form in test matches...I'm sure we'll see him back in ODIs as well. And its in the interest of team management (and the team) as well...to exploit the good form of Lax.

    About SG...well thats another story altogether, isn't it? :-))...its been well debated (and documented ;-) so whats the point of going there? But I still think he will get one final shot....and thus his future would be written by his bat, not by others' opinions.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:52  

  • also fellow bloggers please don't confuse Prem Panicker , with "prem panikar" .
    I will call one as PP(real one) other as (pp) if at-all i address him.
    PP usually dont talk the LP Sahi language of trying to find a weak link like VRoa or JPY for making way for somebody ..

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:54  

  • partha,

    not consistent- but everyone did chip in
    SRT- 3good scores, VS god starts, AA bowled well, Raina and Yuvi fielded well and Yuvi scored in the 6th match....

    If they keep repeating this- I'll be happy. As for performing against SA, it' a brnad new series. Right now everyone seems confident cos we have been winning- let's see the performances when things are down

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:56  

  • Partha,
    It's unrealistic to expect every batsman to perfom every game. As long as their average and strike rate over the series is good enough, then things should work out. Never was the lower order put under any kind of pressure whatsoever. It's good to see different batsmen delievering at different times. Tendulkar in the first 2 games; Dravid in the first game; Dhoni almost in all games; Sehwag provided a good consistent start in all games, although it is a little worrying he is not carrying them on despite obviously being in good nick; Yuvraj was really the only worry, but even he came through by the end of the series.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:56  

  • when we watched the challengers, the consensus was that RP Singh was more consistent in line and length, but that Santh was more fiery and more likely to take a wicket. I think what may have happened against SL was that Santh was trying to hard, and lost the rhythm of his bowling action.

    The speed gun showed him at 120 km at one point, when he looked like he was straining for speed - an indication that he may have been lacking for rhythm and technique.

    Here is my assessment of the squad of 15:

    The week links in the side so far are Murali Kartik, JP Yadav, and Sree Santh.

    The unknown quantities are Suresh Raina, RP Singh and Ajit Agarkar.

    The proven performers are SRT, Sehwag, Dravid, Dhoni, Harbhajan, Gambhir, Pathan, Kaif, Yuvraj.

    I'm still not sure about Pathan's bowling against good teams, but he's done enough to be given the benefit of the doubt.

    IMO, no harm in giving Kartik, Yadav, Santh another series to show what they've got. And just because someone is a proven performer, does not mean I think they're an automatic selection, if somebody better comes along. Ian Healy and Graham Thorpe were proven performers, for example, but they still replaced them with Gilchrist & Pietersen when the time came.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 13:57  

  • Decent article. The pictures are really good .


    By Blogger Poondu, at 13:58  

  • Worma,

    On what basis you can say ZK needs to be picked up. He did well in domestic matches in the past only to comeback and fall flat in key matches. How many one day matches did ZK won for us on flat pitches?

    By Blogger squarecut, at 13:58  

  • so who will be the best super-sub??

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:59  

  • Roublen, Liked your way of assessing .. good one.

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 13:59  

  • I think, the team looks good except for MK. We need either Amit Mishra or even bahutule. PC is still too young for international cricket.

    ZK, VVSL, AK are all one-dimensional cricketers and does not fit in to the GC and RD's scheme things. I do agree with them, in the sense that, a good fielder, can have 15 - 20 runs to his name ( based on the runs saved ) apart from the primary function of batting or bowling. Also, good fielding lifts team's spirit. And they can change the course of a game by means of a good run-out or a catch. So if a player is one-dimensional and if he fails in his primary function ( either batting or bowling ), which anybody can have -- especially ZK in all ODI finals --, he is pretty much a liability.

    Looking at all this, the only person that needs a relook in this team is Murali Karthik.

    By Blogger sv, at 14:01  

  • Prem

    I would like to see SG instead of JPY. I think JPY is not as good bat as SG's. Their fielding is close to push. I do believe if the conditions favor seam and swing bowling SG is a better bowler that JPY. Moreover with the super sub in place team may not require part timer to bowl, most of the time they will have 5 specialist bowlers. In WI I don't think JPY can be any impact bowler as SG's can. I do believe his style of bowling is going to make big impact that the likes of SG.

    If SG keeps his head where it should be and he is not a dressing room cancer we should include him on the team. He is not a Test Player anymore but can make very very big impact in ODI. I think selectors should make clear to him that he will be supersub more often than in the 11. If he agrees and willing to take his new role then we may have very good team.

    By Blogger Indian, at 14:03  

  • We have to ensure that we give enough time to young talent to develop. SR,VR,SS& RPS have shown enough glimpses of talent to ensure that they are given an extended run.
    Bowlers : While SS seems to a little erractic, he has shown that he has pace and bounce. He needs to stay with the team and get a couple of more chances. RPS has been highly impressive and needs to be groomed into a quality first change bowler. ZK & AN need to show their fitness (especially AN). I am pretty sure that ZK will be recalled to team for the test series with SL. Balaji has not yet shown that he can bowl in ODI's.
    Batsman: SG & VVS are in line if SR & VR cannot perform. We would benefit from SG & VVS's experience while touring abroad. SR seems to be more suited to ODI's and would make an ideal Supersub.

    By Blogger Go Dawgs!, at 14:03  

  • //
    suraj said...
    not consistent- but everyone did chip in
    SRT- 3 good scores, VS god starts, AA bowled well, Raina and Yuvi fielded well and Yuvi scored in the 6th match....


    Well, thats were I think we will find the different this time around. The SA will push Team India to the wire to save the match. In the SL series, the SL bowlers were not able to do enough damage with their "slower" middle order bowlers. But this will not be the case with SA and team India will be tested this time around.

    By Blogger Partha (பார்த்தா), at 14:03  

  • poondu

    Very good article


    I have a simialr feeling too- SA will definitely push us more- that'll be the real test

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:05  

  • squarecut: Zak did bad in ODIs...was looking pedestrian in Challenger as well...now it seems he's picked up his game in domestic matches (which I agree are not the surest indicators) so...when he's done 'enough' to earn a recall...he should get it. Its that simple...and should be applied to all players who are dropped on performance basis. But do note...how much domestic performance is good enough to earn a recall is probably not an objective issue. Depends also on the players past record, his value to the team, and how much of form he had dropped...so a lot of intangibles there.

    About ZK and his contribution to the team...well he's done well in the past when he was at peak...and deserved that place on merit. You dont build teams based on criteria like 'how many matches has he won on flat pitches'....

    By Blogger worma, at 14:06  

  • Indian,

    SG back to the team again. On what basis? He failed miserably in Duleep finals. I think SG is a closed chapter as fas OD's are concerned. It going to be tough for him even to make in into test side. SG is a free wicket for other

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:07  

  • SG's reputation/legacy will be harmed beyong repair if he makes a return to ODI.
    He is totally unfit to be part of the team and if he comes back will be under
    enormous pressure to deliver; Unless it is minnows, he is going to fail bad and
    everyone (including the current mgmt, selectors) look as foolish as SG.
    He is a dead-man pretending to walk. It is in the long term legacy interest
    to keep him outside.
    Looking at GC's interview on CI (where he refers to SG as the old group, and
    Dravid will be one of the better captains), I don't think he will be able
    to retain his Test spot.

    ZK should not be back unless he continues to do well for some more time.
    He has a history of breaking down mid-series and it is better to look beyond him.
    He needs to prove he can play long and hard over couple of seasons.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 14:07  

  • Here's an interview by AA in TOI.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 14:10  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 14:10  

  • http://cricket.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1295187.cms

    By Blogger blueboy, at 14:11  

  • Worma,

    I agree with you. ZK was at peak for only few matches before he breaks down.

    If domestic performamce is one criteria then LAX should be in the team based on his challengers performance. Why nobody is supporting him except Rams.

    All is not fair under GC.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:11  

  • I don't think anyone in the current squad has done much wrong to be excluded. The worst performers have been Karthik and Yadav, and I'm sure they will come good. Karthik is just too talented not to and JPY seems to have what it takes as well to be a handy utility player.

    However, I'd like to see VVS in for the last 3 games of the series, to give him ample practice time before the first test. Given the supersub situation, he can be played anytime we want to substitute a batsman in or out, and he doesn't have to field. I still think he is the third best batsman in the country and giving him a knock ahead of the test series will help him immensely. I would suggest the same for Kumble too, but it is a lot more important for the batsmen.

    By Blogger Sudo Nima, at 14:11  

  • roublen, good analysis but, Kaif & Yuvi are always question marks. They are proven performers in 1 out of 'n' games...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 14:11  

  • //
    Sahir said...

    It's unrealistic to expect every batsman to perfom every game. As long as their average and strike rate over the series is good enough, then things should work out. ...//

    I think, we were able to win the SL series, mostly becuase of an inept display by SL rather than an impressive performance from India. We are thinking at this moment that the inept display by SL was due to the performance of India, which I doubt. There was onething missing in the whole series - a fight for the match by SL.

    By Blogger Partha (பார்த்தா), at 14:11  

  • When in full flow Lax is a better than SRT/RD. But he is not consistent enough to warrant a place in current team.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:14  

  • This really cant be the real Prem posting? Thats why I dont like this blog. Anyone can be anyone!

    By Blogger BTB, at 14:14  

  • I would say AK for MK if MK gets clobbered in SA series.

    SS is not likely to come unless one of IP/AA/RP are injured or after we win the series they do the rotation policy. I think SS is safe for the series as its unlikely to see him in the team in 1st 3 one dayers and Selectors wont drop him without giving another chance. But Zk for SS if he fails and VRV should come in for JPY. That way we have more options.

    Batting wise I don't see any changes. Maybe VR for anyone slipping a bit.

    By Blogger sreeram, at 14:15  

  • Partha,
    At the very least you have to give the Indian fielders credit-- it was clearly the best Indian fielding I have ever seen. Fielders were consistently hitting the stumps and preventing quick singles and singles turning into twos. That makes a huge difference against any opposition.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 14:16  

  • blueboy, good article by ajit...I like the part about bowling to Sehwag in the nets to put your skills to test...good ploy...Also,
    "Test match is real cricket."
    shows that he is hungry for a test spot (whether he cuts it or not is another thing).

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 14:17  

  • Lets not not take away anything from recent 6-1 series win. We never had won at home so convincingly against any opposition in the past few years. As GC mentioned we didn't allow SL to play the way they want to.

    At the same time lets not get overcarried by this win. Will have to see how this team performs outside of subcontinent against quality fast bowling atacks.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:21  

  • Prem - guess you need to patent your name - there are quite a few impostors moving around in this blog space.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:21  

  • squarecut: >>If domestic performamce is one criteria then LAX should be in the team based on his challengers performance. Why nobody is supporting him except Rams.

    But didn't I say that if Lax keeps performing, he would surely get a chance in ODIs....same goes for Zak. Now the cases of both these players are different and hence what I said...its difficult to gauge objectively just how much domestic form is enough to earn a recall....but its not as if Laxman is setting the domestic stage on fire, is he? Just a couple of good shows in Challenger wont earn him a place over a Rao or Raina (who did well in challenger too, and also are youngsters to be tried before dumped)IMO. But if he finds his peak test match form back (which has been missing for a while) I guess he would be back in contention.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:21  

  • AA:

    I rarely bowled till I was 17.

    Even for Cricket Club of India, I played as a batsman. Once Sachin Tendulkar saw me bowl and he told the CCI captain to use me more often. The captain gave me the new ball and I bowled well. That's how I became a bowler.

    that's surprising!!

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:22  

  • Sahit,

    I agree with you on that. I was simply amazed by the number of direct hits scored - it does not matter what was the result. As long as we are able do that, it puts a bit of doubt in the runners mind. We can stem the quick singles and prevent the twos.

    By Blogger Partha (பார்த்தா), at 14:24  

  • TOI:

    The seven match ODI series did not pose a test as there was no third team

    So which third teams make it a real test? Zim, Bangladesh or WI?

    Absolute crap

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:25  

  • The present team looks good.Powar in place of murali would be a good move.A big no for laxman because he is a liability in the field and he is not suited for the flexible(yo-yoing batting order) plan.He cannot come lower down the order and accelerate which seems to be a pre-requisite for batsmen in the current one-day team.Zaheer has been kept out because he has a mental block with bowling fast.Glouster in an interview with The Hindu specifically said that he is being kept out until he has overcome this fear of being injured which makes him give a less than a 100%.Dont be surprised to see him come back later in the series or the next series that we play.They team management are making the players earn their spots and ensuring that players do not rest on past achievements.Kaif and yuvraj add a lot to the team with their fielding and this is why they are being selected by the previous and present team managements.For the test team,laxman,kumble and zaheer will retain their spots while gangulys and karthiks spots being in jeopardy.

    By Blogger retroauro, at 14:26  

  • prem,
    i am not able to get the line "SG's reputation/legacy will be harmed beyong repair if he makes a return to ODI". as if his current axing has left him at the peak of his reputation.

    By Blogger muthu, at 14:26  

  • AA is one of the most talented players to have played for india in the last decade. He has always had the natural ability to bowl, field and bat well. It's just he hasn't been able to be consistent. If he is able to bowl with 75% accuracy, I would prefer him over the other bowlers in the country.

    By Blogger blueboy, at 14:26  

  • Folks - any info on the person (Achin?) who was doing a denial of service attack on Prem?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:27  

  • Worma,

    Can't agree more ragarding LAX. In one of my previous post I mentioned LAX has to score heavily in tests and expect one or two players fail then he stands a good chance.

    YS got more oppurtunities than anybody else and he come up with a once in a while good knock and keeps his place. Hope under GC/RD it will be a level playing field for all aspirants.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:27  

  • muthu - that prem is not Mr Prem Panix.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:27  

  • //squarecut said,
    At the same time lets not get overcarried by this win. Will have to see how this team performs outside of subcontinent against quality fast bowling atacks//

    Lets see how they do with an different bowling line in subcontinent first of all, then we can think about other pitches :-)

    By Blogger Partha (பார்த்தா), at 14:28  

  • squarecut: Didn't you notice that Yuv has been kept on his toes under this new team management. His century celebration in SL indicated that he was under some pressure and criticism. And even since then, despite his scoring another ton in Zim, he wasnt allowed to relax. A few bad performances here and he was again under pressure (I linked to a story in one post where the selectors had a word with him during this SL series as well). So it doesnt look like he'd be resting on his past laurels (although i don't think that was the case earlier also...but anyways..forgetting that for a while)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:33  

  • SS goes -> ZK comes in
    MK goes -> Powar comes in
    JPY goes -> Balaji comes in

    By Blogger nilcritz, at 14:34  

  • gardhabh,

    I have been wondering too- any guesses on th esource of enmity betwen achin and Prem

    Bruinging this up as not much is going on in cricket

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:35  

  • VVS is great to watch when in full flow. But his one day record is nothing to bost about. His average is less than VS when he does not have SR anywhere close to VR.

    mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
    85 82 7 2338 131 31.17 3281 71.25 6 10 222 4 39 0

    He is lazy at times. I guess it happens bcos of his supreme talent.

    It would be interesting to give him a try sometime soon. Probably Pak one dayers would be the time. SA series should be used only for youngsters.

    By Blogger sreeram, at 14:35  

  • gardhabh,

    I have been wondering too- any guesses on th esource of enmity betwen achin and Prem

    Bruinging this up as not much is going on in cricket

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:35  

  • GK said...
    u waste ur time reading the Toilet of India ??


    Liked the phrase. Unfortunately TOI is not even worth that anymore.

    By Blogger nilcritz, at 14:36  

  • Worma:
    I agree with you Lamman was not exactly on fire in the last few test series. My point is there are times when Yuvraj/Kaif and even Sehwag are not on fire at times in ODIS even in the recent SL series. Given all this and Laxmans good peformance in ZIM and Challenger/Duleep merits a recall especially like I said earlier with a supersub in place and see what he has to offer and if he fits into the scheme of things for 07 WC.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 14:36  

  • Suraj,

    On a lighter note, Someone mentioned the other day that Prem has multiple personality disorder and his other personality is Achin. LOL

    By Blogger Poondu, at 14:37  

  • Suraj,
    no, I dont have any idea why Achin is fixated on Prem. COuld be a SG lickass trying to get back at Prem. Probably the contributors could shed some light.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:39  

  • poondu,

    who knows?

    To me just seems some strong rivalry- personal or professional

    maybe they liked the same girl or something

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:40  

  • gradhabh

    for some reason Prem doesn't mention the source of rivalry too

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:40  

  • Anyway,

    Prem won some award this weekend- isn't it. Don't know why he said he had to travel work related- I thought he won some award from Kerela association

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:42  

  • Now, all the GC haters are putting their bids on us losing to SA.. after this series, they will put their bids on us losing to PAK and the rest.. and it will go on as I said.. but guys.. bad luck!

    All of a sudden, these GC haters(Read DG/ZK lovers) have found tremendous faults in Santh's bowling.. IMHO Santh has bowled way better than what ZK bolwed in most of his carrer.. And Santh cant become a superstar in just 4-5 games.. ZK with all his experience and exposuure didnt cut anything.. We all have lost count of how many games he lost for us in his initial spell.. Santh has been costly but so was Vaas/Fernando.. out of 3-4 fast bowlers, one will always look bad.. I means oposition will not always be bundled out for a sub-100 score.. will they?

    Now what has ZK done..Batting he is shot, fielding he is bigger shit..

    He took a few wickets in some domestic games where none of the Senior bats were playing.. on the same pitch Ganguly also took wickets.. doesnt that prtove that ZK's achievements are just average.. nothing to COMMAND him a a place..

    In low scoring games, when batsmen are defensive and play the bowler by their reputation, likes of ZK will get a few wickets.. But we have seen, he was the worst bowler that India has seen in last 5 years.. a couple of domestic decent outings are not going to wipe those sins.. and should not.

    ZK is CRAP.. and most likely will remain so..

    Above all he bowled with the new ball and Munaf was not given the new ball.. still Munaf bolwed as well if not better.. so why are people gloating for ZK, I fail to undertstand..

    Now lets come to JPY.. has he got any bating opportunities.. probably a couple.. in one of those he performed well.. and showed temperament.. His bowling was very good in couple of matches.. bad in couple.. then again, he was still better than ZKhans of past..

    and SG and JPY are not competing for a slot..mind you.. we can rest JPY the way we want, cant do it to SG if he is in the dressing room.. JPY is a better bowler.. He has taken whole lot of wickets in domestic cricket.. His fielding is good.. He is more than ahandy cricketer.. Only a player who is primarily a bowler and decent bat can replace him.. not a guy who wants to bat on top of the order to sink us right at the start.. We have seen in the last series that batting 1 down is not such a diffiult task.. Patha/Dhoni all did that.. Can SG bat better than them at those slots, I dont think so anymore.. Can he field better than them.. NOOOOOO.. can he keep his head down and be a team player.. answer is still no.. He is still claiming that "I got 2 100s in last few innings.."

    Murli Karthik..
    He was asked to bowl mostly after 25-30 overs.. when accelaration is a must of any team batting.. He still has couple of better than decent outings.. couple of bad performances does not throw him out of the team.. He is also brought in .. in and on-off situation.. and above all these factors, WE DO NOT HAVE an option.. outside India, he is not going to play anyway as we are always going to be playing with one spinner.. so why worry...

    Obviously cant bring in Chawla right now.. He is good.. but too young right now.. should wait for ateast this season to get over..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:43  

  • Suraj,
    award for what? Writing on cricket?

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:43  

  • worma, ruchir, prem and all...We see users like "Prem Panijkar", "Prem Panickar", "Prem Panicker.", etc.
    Could we kindly request these folks to change their user names ? You read their take on something and go "wait a minute. this is not prem"...

    Folks, please try to create identities of your own. If people like your posts, then, they will read em. If not, no big deal, but, you dont try to steal the identity of a man whose views we respect and confuse us...please...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 14:44  

  • not sure only for cricket gardabh- I think it was for his whole career (literary contribution)- not 100% sure

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:46  

  • attaboy tc, agree on ZK - wrong attitude and JPY - being trashed by many for his second role (like RD being panned for poor keeping) - the guy is definitely a class act in fielding and his batting just needs to be given more ops.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:46  

  • We all have seen Balaji trundling in Challenger series.. I donno know what "Super" change has happened since.. you bring him in, he will get thrashed and we will be asking for Santh again..

    Santh was clearly a better bowler in Challenger series.. better than Zaheer and Balaji..

    Not to forget that if ZK/SG/Balaji/Nehra are back.. then we have the same team that was losing for last 5 years.. all the time (BAR world cup.. where SRT rocked)..

    Do you guys want the same bunch of losers playing again.. together.. and plotting the fall of RD/GC..

    I personaly dont want to see the face of ZK again on TV. In my opinion, he has performed so badly already that I would never bring him in the team as long as I have a player in India who can JUST roll his arm over..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:48  

  • Article on Prem winning award, I am not sure if this is the latest though.


    By Blogger Poondu, at 14:49  

  • TC, totally agree with you on Zaheer...That MFer has lost us many matches by giving away initial momentum. My guess is, even if the selectors reward him for his domestic performances ( hell, I will rewarding for getting somebody out for Double ducks ), he will totally screw it up in the first couple of opportunities at Intl level and be doomed for ever...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 14:49  

  • gre2rescue: point taken about using identities of our own. But then, its an individual's choice....nothing on this blog is forced...right ? :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:51  

  • I think Chawla will do better if he plays another couple of years (at least) in domestic cricket and improves his trade. The art of leg spinning being one of the most difficult in cricket, I am sure CHawla needs good coaching of the basics till they are sound. Moreover, our first class batsmen are still pretty decent against spin which means, Chawla will gain some wonderful experience. The fact that he was included in the practice sessions recently will inspire him to more hard work. Hopefully, the mgment will make sure that he is aware of their plans for him.
    I support the non inclusion of Kumble for the ODIs. The SAns, like England have nullified his bowling by treating him like a medium pace bowler. While the present batch of SAns dont have a lot of experience against him, the pitches in India are expected to provide very little assistance to him. In any case, now is the time for controller experimentation.
    Murali Karthik: Maybe he hasnt done well agains the SL batsmen who play spin very well (that HS did exceptionlly is a tribute to him). So, I guess these three matches are his perfect chance to leave a mark.

    ZK: Whether he takes first class wickets by the bucketful or not, ZK has to prove a few things. He should show that (like Nehra) he can remain injury free for an extended period of time, his pace is back to what it was (maybe not the 90mph as in Nairobi but at least sharp) and he improves on the yorker and incoming deliveries to RH batsmen. I thought these were his main problems when playng intl cricket. He became predictable as a bowler who was able to move the ball only away from the RH batsman. As regards his work ethics, it is for people who know to comment.

    For me, VRV would have been the only change (if fit) and he would have replaced Santh, at least in a couple of games. This is just so that three very inexperienced bowlers are not in the sqaud together. Now that VRV is unavailable, are we left with a lot of choices?

    For me, this team is fine. Experimentation doesnt mean that they are given three matches and then replaced with other fresh faces. Like RD said, the toughest years for a cricketer come after some time because that is when the opposition figures him out. So guys like Santh and RP have to show that they cand do well over an extended period of time.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:51  

  • g2r, i strongly suspect that all the prem panicker clones (similar looking names) are just one person's creations - probably Achin or some such similar prig.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:51  

  • worma...cool..I was just making a request...anyway, from here on in, I will spell the bloggers name before reading his/her posts...

    By Blogger greg2rescue, at 14:52  

  • poondu,

    that's the one

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:53  

  • Why Piyush Chawla should not get in the team for now..
    I have been reading various comments about the next ‘great’ leg spinner on the horizon. I am very sure, half of the guys have not even seen Chawla bowl a ball. But still will root for him..
    I have been a leg spinner…played decent junior level( coach behar). Let me give you my two cents on Chawla. I saw him bowl in the challengers and was impressed with his temperament. What I was not impressed was his actual bowling. He has the same problem that I had. That is, not turning the ball enough on good wickets. On wickets that offer turn, Chawla will be good, because being a small turner of the ball, he is more of a ‘finger’ spinning leg spinner ( again like me) than a big spinning wrist spinner like Amit Mishra, or Warne. Chawla has his style now. Again from experience, I can say that he will never be a big turner. Something you need to be successful in international cricket. Kumble is a freakish bowler. He is different. But for any other leg spinner, you NEED to spin the ball. What happens is that once you get a flat wicket, you a dead meat in 5/6 overs as the batsman work your spin out. Ofcourse if you have tremendous variety, you can still survive. But that is something that Chawla has to prove. The guy barely made his first class debut and, lets admit it, because of that Tendulkar dismissal has come into the picture. He has temperament, he has line and length, however he DOES NOT have the one thing because of which leg spinners are leg spinners…a BIG turning leg break. I don’t want to harp on about myself, but I know I went though tough times later, and Chawla seems to be a similar bowler. To me Mishra is a huge talent. Big potential.
    In Bombay we had a leg spinner, Mayur Ankolekar, he was a big turner, got into Bombay squad at the age 16 and dropped out as he lost the accuracy…that can happen too. But give Chawla time to prove a whole lot of things and then see. In the meantime use the talent that is proven, Amit Mishra or even my old competitor Sai…Bahutule.

    By Blogger mau tor, at 14:54  

  • // tc said,
    Not to forget that if ZK/SG/Balaji/Nehra are back.. then we have the same team that was losing for last 5 years.. all the time (BAR world cup.. where SRT rocked)..... //

    I agree on ZK & SG. But I would not put Balaji in that list..

    By Blogger Partha (பார்த்தா), at 14:54  

  • gardhab,
    I am just as much in the dark as you, regarding achinb and Prem. I thought that achinb was just a punk who found it funny to do such things.
    Maybe, ruchir, worma could shed more light on this.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:55  

  • Ramshorns,

    There are always some unlucky players in every generation. Lax is the unluckiest.
    We have seen less talented players than LAX keep getting oppurtunities inspite of repeated failures. Lax has to tighten some areas and be more consistent to come back to ODI side. He is always on trial. Isn't he?

    By Blogger squarecut, at 14:56  

  • IMHO opinion, VRV Singh/Gagandeep Singh/Bhandari/Ranadeb Bose.. all deserve chances before ZKhan/Nehra..

    Nehra is unfit and not playing anyway.. Balaji has to prove that he has got it back what he had before.. once he does that, I will put him in the queue that I mentioned above..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 14:56  

  • partha - have 3 lists - wrong attitude - ZK, no talent - Balaji, no talent and wrong attitude - SG

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 14:57  

  • folks,
    Prabu had his two cents in the end posts in prev thread , incase interested.

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 14:57  

  • Agree with Toney...excatly my thoughts...give the Chawla guy two years to learn and PROVE that he can perform.He is still a kid.

    By Blogger mau tor, at 14:58  

  • mau tor,

    nice insight into Piyush chawla

    By Blogger suraj, at 14:58  

  • mau tor,
    u sure Chawla is a finger spinner? (From memory alone), I thought he was a wrist spinner. Finger spinners usually have more control but I cannot think of any finger spinning leg-spinner. Mushtaq Ahmed, Warnie, Kaneria...
    Plus, wont the variations be easier to read if you are a finger spinner?

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:59  

  • gardhabh,

    Balaji has no talent. C'mon did you forgot about Aus/pak series. He had some injuries and running thru a bad form. If he is strong enough hw will come back.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 15:01  

  • About LAX.. I dont know why people consider him unlucky.. well, he didnt have great luck.. but didnt he get his chances..

    Playing Test cricket is lucky enough.. Him being a must there is good enough to me.. He should not play ODI cricket.. He does not deserve a place right now primarily based on a fact that one needs to be good at 2 out of 3 departments..

    But why his followers are sad.. Langer/Slater/Thorpe.. even Warne/Lara are playing only test cricket.. Test cricket is the BEST and a TEST of the BEST.. in ODI, even Afridis/Maliks/Yuvis/Arnolds/Collingwoods are better fit.. and can deliver..

    He should focus on test and try not to tinker his game for ODIs.. We need that class to remain same or become sharper.. I am sure He will be respected for that..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:02  

  • toney: more light on what? hacker thing..LOL...yeah that dude needs some lightening for sure ;-)

    but seriously, no idea...although I dont think its worth discussing, and neither do I think Prem and that dude have a history of any sort.

    Mau Tor: interesting analysis of Chawla. I did see him in the Challenger a bit, and thought he turned reasonably enough (although didn't notice, unlike the expert eye in you, whether it was more of finger or wrist)...and even his googly was not a straighter one, rather turned in quite a bit. Ofcourse he's not even a McGill (forget Warne)...but maybe he wont turn as big as others around him. What he does seem to have is a bit of variations...and as you rightly noticed, a lot of heart in his bowling.

    Probably thats why they would want to see more of him in the nets etc....play against him to judge his potential....I'm sure if they decide to blood him, it would be based on this judgment....and not in awe of that SRT dismissal :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 15:03  

  • TC,

    I agree with you. If somebody like YS/MK gets loads of oppurtunities why not LAX.
    Don't start again with one dimesional thing. All I want to say criteria should be same for all aspirants. Everybody has this mindset regarding some x player not being good.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 15:06  

  • Thanks all for the comments -- I really wanted to get a feel for what everyone was thinking :-)

    The name that comes up most often is Zaheer's -- and I suspect his exclusion has to do as much with his unpredictability as with disciplinary issues. Sunny G had mentioned problems ZK had with the previous coach; there were enough indications that he didn't see eye to eye with this one either (judging by how he plays and from stuff I heard earlier during the JW tenure, I'd think fitness is where the disagreement comes in).

    *If* that is the case, his sitting out is perhaps a good thing, in that it sends a message that you really need to work for your place, and cannot coast.

    A couple of non-related issues: Firstly, I am not about to order people not to use variants of my name. I would think the identities we use online in a sense define who we are, and if folks want to define themselves as being more interested in creating confusion than in enjoying the sort of healthy cricket discussion that goes on here, well, that's them.

    Notice a lot of posts about this achinb, and what is amiss between us. Who is "us"? I post here under my name; my identity is known, my email ID is known, my journalistic affiliation is known. I have no idea who "achinb" is in real life -- far less what his problem, if any, is. There's two ways of doing such things -- if you have a problem with a person, you can get in touch with that person, spell out the problem in so many words, and find a solution. Or you can skulk around and indulge in border-line criminal activities like hacking, as a means of perhaps venting your anger. Which of the options you chose depends I would think on who you are, what your values are. And given the gent/lady/whatever in question has not chosen to air whatever his problems are, I am not about to lose any sleep over it. I made the point once before: this is not a commercial site, I don't gain anything by increased traffic, nor lose if traffic falls; so the 'damage' done by blocking me exists only in other people's minds.

    In any case, for the SA series, I had already decided I was going to do 10-over capsules on the main blog, looking at issues our commentators don't seem inclined to touch upon -- so this whole blocking business becomes immediately irrelevant.

    Oh, one final thing -- yeah, I was travelling; in the middle of which, I also had to go to Elmont, New Jersey, where the Kerala Association was hosting its annual awards. Went there, did that, and continued my travels, returned this am, thanks for asking :-)

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:07  

  • I think ZK has never been able to live upto expectations we had from him as our premier bowler after Srinath. He simply ruined the WC final for us as well. ON other occasions also, he has been found terribly wanting. If not for SG, he would have been thrown out long time back. The scenario created since last 2 years was that we never had anyone to replace ZK but that was because we never gave opportunity and a climate to prosper at intNL level. This is happening now and we suddenly see RP, VRV, Santh etc. The best thing to do with our pacers is to not give a comforting permanent feeling to anyone baring Pathan who is now recognized as genuine all rounder. Only AA looks good for now and rest all have to be rotated and encouraged to separate men from boys

    By Blogger J, at 15:08  

  • squarecut,

    We have seen that LAX has played 50+ ODIs.. has not delivered better than Kaif/Yuvi.. but the other two scores more on the fielding and running BTW..

    hence cant really complain that VVS didnt get a chance to show his hand..

    To toip it all, if he does not step in IN first 15 overs, he is sort of a misfit after that.. that goes against him..

    If he needs to come in, He needs to learn to hit sixes.. run better.. But wont it affect his Test Cricket.. it will.. and I dont want that to happen.. For Indias, Its best if he focuses on Test Cricket..

    and if needed, we blood him in ODIs again..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:10  

  • worma,
    you are right, we shouldnt even be discussing achin's (mis)deeds. But he has started this "blocking" business so much so that a lot of fun during live matches goes out the window. Hopefully, Prem and the blog admins get this sorted out.

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:10  

  • Oh sorry. Suraj and the rest: On the achinb thing, what I meant by "who is us" is, who is this guy? The name he uses is unfamiliar to me -- I don't know any "achinb". Given there is no face to put to the name, what 'enimity' could I be possibly aware of? And in the ultimate analysis, who gives a fish?

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:12  

  • hey guys what happend to ambati rayudu..he is not in news at all these days..at one point in time he was considered an excellent player

    By Blogger Surendranath, at 15:13  

  • TC,

    Agree with you. Lets not worry about him since he is not in the team. Hope YS/MK live up to the expectations against SA.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 15:13  

  • toney: Ref the fun during live matches; much of it comes from the sort of discussions you guys have -- which, blocked or no, I follow in their entirety. And left to myself, I'd rather keep one eye on the game, one eye on the thread to see what you guys are up to, and post my own thoughts if any on the main blog, which is likely how it will be here on.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:14  

  • Anyone doing Laxman talk is an IDIOT. it has been repeatedly mentioned on this blog and discussed that the only place he can bat in ODI is no.3 and we have MK/RD/Pathan/Dhoni before him. WHy cant we it be understood that fitness to plan and strategy is important and not merely being a good player.

    Knowing RD/GC/SRT acumen and reading of game, we should soon see SRT coming at 3 with Gambhir opening. That will be best for team india and also good for Lax so that he can focus on test cricket.

    By Blogger J, at 15:14  

  • J,

    Lets wait and see how good is MK against
    quality attacks. I mentioned earlier lets not worry about LAX since he is not even a contender.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 15:17  

  • Anyone seen J.Kemp live.. I wanna know whether he is a backfoot player or front foot..

    If he is a backfoot player, he might not cut it against spin bowling except a couple of slogs with muscle power?

    Any forecasts about how hie might handle spin?

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:18  

  • TC,

    I saw a couple of matches in the SA vs NZ series. Kemp is clean hitter and most of his runs scored in front of the wicket (V area ). Mostly played against the fast bowlers and from what I saw he is predominantly a front foot player.

    Don't remember how he played against Vettori though.

    By Blogger Poondu, at 15:21  

  • Was doing a recce of websites, meanwhile -- didn't see too many interesting stories worth throwing up, that Worma and Ruchir have not already referenced. So will go back to work... and pop by later to see what you guys are up to.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:21  

  • prem...have you been following the Eng match? No comments?

    By Blogger worma, at 15:22  

  • Thanks Poondu!

    If he is a front foot player and plays in V, then we have an enormous task on our hand..

    In that case, SA will be fools if they dont promote him and threaten our power play strategies..

    I guess, we will have to resort to SRT bowling his leg spin around his legs.. Hitting in V against the spin, will be tough..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:23  

  • Prem - ZK, AN and Balaji. All 3 of them cannot survive the rigors of test match. They had problems with coaches because they know their body cannot take load in a test match so how the hell can they last through workout and exercise regime set by JR, GC etc? Their game plan is to simply mintmoney by staying on international arena as long as possible and the only way thet can do it is by playing selectively in international matches without having to got through all the needed preparation. Sadly there boss in this set-up SG has been shown the door and I dont see how can these 3 return and survive

    By Blogger J, at 15:24  

  • J
    Did Laxman do something to your behind that makes you feel violated. Just a question??? No offence.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 15:24  

  • ramshorns,

    Nice question with "NO OFFENCE" tag?

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:26  

  • Someone was asking about how Justin Kemp played Vettori? Don't think he played too much of him, actually. Here is a resource that might answer some of your questions:


    That page has links to all the RSA-NZ ODIs of the recent series. If you click on the scoreboard of each, right at the end you'll find links to player versus player stats, wagonwheels and such, that could provide information. Normally, ahead of any series involving India, I print out this kind of stuff involving the opposition; I find, from looking at these data, that there is much info to be had about how each of them play, and maybe what we could do to contain them.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:27  

  • Thanks Prem!

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:28  

  • No Ramshorns.
    He did to your mother's front. No offence.

    By Blogger J, at 15:28  

  • worma: actually, no comments because I have basically only been following the Cricinfo reports, and your comments and those of others on the various threads here. Not been watching first hand. Have a small problem here -- November-December is in any case our busiest time of the year with special issues to plan and such; we also have an annual awards ceremony early December, that involves an enormous amount of organizing. All of this stuff takes up a huge chunk of my time, plus there is the regular work -- and India games. Wanted to follow Pak-England cos we will be playing both of them in the near future, but I'm afraid I wont be able to do much more than watch India games till Dec 15th at least

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:29  

  • j: Yeah, I would have been some surprised had zaheer been picked; in the sense, I figured his exit had more to do with attitudinal problems than anything else (which is not to say I am enamored of his bowling these last few months). With AN, I thought it was a combination of both -- he clearly wants the luxury of picking and chosing when he will play and when he will not, and I doubt any team can afford that.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:32  

  • @J, the same was said about AA. How he has an attitude problem and how the only reason he was in the team was because of his connections to SG and his gf's. Please stop making emphatic statements about stuff that you don't know about.
    ZK, in prime form, is the real thing. and AN combined with him well.
    And Balaji? Problems with hard work? The only person who has problems with hard work as far as i know is you. You fail to take any effort to verify any of your statements and make them up out of nothing. pretty hard work, eh?

    By Blogger sauravganguly, at 15:32  

  • j,
    Nice answer to Ramshorns with "NO OFFENCE" tag again..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:32  

  • ohh...ok...hope you don't go by my analysis too much either ;-)...haven't been able to watch either.

    By Blogger worma, at 15:33  

  • TC,
    Heres a better one. You can add " and the result was ramshorns" between my last two sentences.

    By Blogger J, at 15:35  

  • worma :-)

    I wonder if Willow allows you to go back to stuff you have bought and watch them later. In that case, wouldn't mind too much buying the Pak-England package, quite valuable as reference when we get to playing against those two countries

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:36  

  • ZK in prime form:-) For how many matches
    was he in prime form. We lost WC final when he was in prime form. C'mon guys stop supporting ZK. He is a bowler with a dead brain in his bowling arm.

    By Blogger squarecut, at 15:36  

  • sauravganguly,

    your heros SG/ZK/AN didnt deliver for a long time..

    ZK in prime form.. is an oxymoron..

    Such thing does not exist..

    if AN combines ZK well, then good riddence for AN as well..

    Balaji.. yes, he is slacking these days.. Challenger trophey, we saw him in.. He was running like Agarkar and bowling like Kumble.. (ofcourse without the google, topspinner.. leg spinner.. induckers.. line.. length.. whatever)

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:38  

  • saurav,
    Balaji is also the same case as AN and ZK but not as bad. The strict fitness regimen resulted in his injury and he was out of action. It was also realized that with his present action he cannot survive for long and he has changed his action thrice. Please enlighten us on his decline if you have facts other then what I have mentioned above.

    By Blogger J, at 15:38  

  • as far as I know, Balaji was dropped only from the ODI team. Balaji is a very good test match bowler because of his accuracy and ability to move the ball both ways. He hasn't been able to adjust his length for ODIs but he is a definite shoo-in for the test matches. He has also taken wickets in the Duleep Trophy games played and will make it to the test squad with ease.

    By Blogger Prabu, at 15:38  

  • Prem
    Sify did the same thing and someone here posted a link for that. Same kind of interactive scorecard. I wasnt able to locate the same for the rest of the matches

    By Blogger Toney, at 15:39  

  • Speaking of Eng/Pak matches, the most overrated bowler in the world is Sami. I am not sure why he is a certainty in the squad if he is fit. His record is pathetic(almost as bad as Chetan Sharma).

    By Blogger Poondu, at 15:40  

  • j,

    Now I figure out this daddy-obsession.. but good to have your dad as your hero.. cant disagree with Ramshorns on that front.. can we?

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:40  

  • thanks chappel,
    Kemp is a solid batsmen who can whack the ball quite a distance. There was a lot of similarity between him and kp. One important aspect of his batting he doesn't lose his cool in pressure situation and waits to hoick the bad ball out of the ground. He picks the slow ball well and sends it the distance. coming down the order he is a definite threat. but he takes a over or two to settle down. thats the time to get him.

    By Blogger Ragav, at 15:41  

  • Guys,

    When was the last time an Indian captain left the job with dignity? Saying "I've had a good/bad run but time for me to leave now" without having half the country calling for his head (losing theirs on occasion)?

    We can surely cite some examples in other teams...

    By Blogger sundeep, at 15:42  

  • toney: I read about that Sify thing in some news item, but the impression I got was, you could watch only fours and sixes and wickets. I remember Willow, in the early days, had a terrific interactive scorecard. On that, you could chose how you watched -- for instance, I used to just select all the overs bowled by one particular bowler, to get a sense of how he bowled; or pick a particular batsman and just look at his full innings in isolation, or just his singles to see which areas he was getting them in, stuff like that. No idea why Willow discontinued that thing, it was terrific, really -- not quite as good as the video analysis package intl teams use, but at a rudimentary level, it served the needs if you wanted to do analysis for the media.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:42  

  • @J,
    did you say 'strict fitness regimen led to his injury' What kind of a 'fitness' regimen leads to injury?

    By Blogger sauravganguly, at 15:43  

  • prem,
    u can watch the entire game as and when u want in willow tv. they telecast it over and over again. only complaint is that they even repeat the break and lunch session in full.

    By Blogger Ragav, at 15:43  

  • Thgis kemp guy, we need to see and watch out for.. He seems to be an Afridi with a brain..

    I cant really comment on him.. I am looking forward to see him in IND_SA series.. I hope he does not pick up doosras..

    I guess we will have to bowl Karthik out before he comes in.. and keep Bhajji for him..

    SRT needs to practice his bowling more..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:44  

  • welcome back saurav. where were u all these days ? The SG faction took quite a pounding when u weren't around.

    By Blogger Poondu, at 15:44  

  • ragav: you mean you can watch at your comfort....or its just repeat telecast?

    By Blogger worma, at 15:45  

  • worma,

    they just keep repeating the match... from start to finish.. cans forward.. select.. pause or anything..

    Only think you can adjust is, calculate the timings and identify which slot you want to watch again..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 15:47  

  • Prem,

    I suppose ppl would have already mentioned this but my thought is that probably VRV should have been giiven a chance(provided his injury is healed or whatever). Would have got a chance to see if he is as good as they are saying he is. TOI mentioned Piyush chawla but IMHO, he probably needs a couple of more years. The kid is just 16. I know lot of ppl might jump up and say SRT was 16. All said and done, SRT is somebody who comes along once in a life time :). Also, for every SRT we also have the Laxman sivaramkrishnans, Sadanand vishwanaths who were rushed into international cricket. MK, well not sure how many more chances he needs. He is an enigma, for every good performance, he dishes out 10 rubbish ones. Should AN,ZK,Balaji been given a chance? I feel AN probably should have been given a chance. Your thoughts?

    By Blogger lukkhamaster, at 15:47  

  • Hey Poondu, Was in India and Singapore. Watched all ODI's. Seriously, that guy Chandana wouldn't get into my team here in USA. Not sure how he got into a national team. Wouldn't place too much emphasis on this series win. But a good start. GC's experiments were in the right place and the right time.
    Hope it works with SA too. But I doubt it. SL were handicapped by an out-of-form Jayasurya and an in-form Chandana

    By Blogger sauravganguly, at 15:48  

  • Sourav,
    LOL @ in form Chandana

    By Blogger Poondu, at 15:49  

  • saurav
    Balaji is suffering from "the pain induced by ostieis pubis (pelvic bone inflammation) ". The current fitness regimen prescribed by GC and co. not only ensures that player remain fit all the while but it also seives out the weaker section. ZK,AN,Balaji all got filtered out because of this. ZK's outburst at JW was because he was missing out on matches and moolah.

    By Blogger J, at 15:50  

  • ragav: I don't find that helps, too much. Most times, when watching a repeat, I am more interested in specific spells of play. For instance, I'd love to watch the Dhoni-Raina partnership again to see just how they did it with so little fuss; I'd also like to watch that Mahela-Arnold partnership again, to see if there was something the Indians could have done better. Damned though if I have time to wade through an entire game to see those bits

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 15:50  

  • Guys,

    Check this out

    SG doesn't give up , does he ? Always rants on about his record speaks for itself. When is this guy going to come out of his denial mode and see that his batting is pathetic now , no matter how glorious it was in the past ?

    Hope he doesn't make it to the test team. Will be a free wicket for the opposition.

    By Blogger Jinendra, at 15:50  

  • Prem - I was looking at the player vs player stats on the RSA vs NZ series and Kemp really got to play Vettori in one innings: 1st ODI: Balls 22, Runs 11, 13 dots, 7 1s and 2 2s.

    It seems like in the two big innigns in the series he feasted on the part time medium pacers Astle and Styris.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 15:51  

  • hey j
    has balaji even played under GC to be filtered out by his fitness regime?
    on second thought maybe he did play in SL what say?

    By Blogger JD, at 15:53  

  • If not stumbled on this by now


    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 15:54  

  • GC: You can’t teach those who don’t want to be taught.

    SG: I will be back in Team India: Ganguly


    By Blogger Rajg, at 15:56  

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