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Sunday, October 30, 2005

The bias(-worma)

While much of mud-slinging that BCCI faces these days has been self-inflicted, there are also enough cases of kick-them-while-they're-down. A recent allegation from Scyld Berry in Telegraph saying that the tour venues have nothing to do with policy of rotation.
The Indian board justified the venues by saying that they had a policy of rotation and that various associations take it in turns to stage home Test matches. The reality is that the board are overwhelmed by political squabbles and lawsuits. Such is their incompetence that the venues for Sri Lanka's three Tests in India in December have yet to be announced

Here's a list of last 20 test matches played in India. Do decide for yourself if you see a more-or-less fair rotation of venues or not.

Eng 1st Test in Ind 2001/02 at Chandigarh
Eng 2nd Test in Ind 2001/02 at Ahmedabad
Eng 3rd Test in Ind 2001/02 at Bangalore
Zim 1st Test in Ind 2001/02 at Nagpur
Zim 2nd Test in Ind 2001/02 at Delhi
WI 1st Test in Ind 2002/03 at Mumbai
WI 2nd Test in Ind 2002/03 at Chennai
WI 3rd Test in Ind 2002/03 at Kolkata
NZ 1st Test in Ind 2003/04 at Ahmedabad
NZ 2nd Test in Ind 2003/04 at Chandigarh
Aus 1st Test in Ind 2004/05 at Bangalore
Aus 2nd Test in Ind 2004/05 at Chennai
Aus 3rd Test in Ind 2004/05 at Nagpur
Aus 4th Test in Ind 2004/05 at Mumbai
SA 1st Test in Ind 2004/05 at Kanpur
SA 2nd Test in Ind 2004/05 at Kolkata
Pak 1st Test in Ind 2004/05 at Chandigarh
Pak 2nd Test in Ind 2004/05 at Kolkata (refused to play in Ahmedabad)
Pak 3rd Test in Ind 2004/05 at Bangalore (Delhi stadium wasn't ready)

SL three tests at Delhi, Kanpur, Chennai

Eng three tests at Ahmedabad, Nagpur, Mumbai

What I do feel is that the Kanpur test given to SL could have been swapped with the Ahmedabad test of Eng. And who knows what would be done once Eng raises the safety bogey for Ahmedabad.

My own observation on the so called 'bias' is:

1)Kanpur seems to be missing in early stages, and I think there was some question mark about Kanpur's test status for a while....can't seem to remember exact details.

2)Rotation policy seems to be applied for choosing the venue for a series as a whole. And within the series, the distribution of the matches, to me, doesn't seem to follow the rotation policy as strictly.

But Berry goes on further, in his self-created logic
If there is any cricketing intent behind the selection of Ahmedabad, Nagpur and Mumbai, it must be that the board want three grounds that can provide slow, big-turning pitches. That would play into the hands of India's spinners and make life correspondingly hard for England's quartet of pace bowlers
So, he thinks Chennai and Kolkatta are not big turners? Where we defeated the mighty Aus team in 'that' series, and more recently Pak in Kolkatta, while having a good run against Aus again in Chennai? And does he even know the history of the last test played in Nagpur?

And then there's Arjuna's allegation of giving 'second class' status to SL ODI venues!


  • Well worma, the BCCI gives the rest of the world reason to make fun of them by being unprofessional. So you can't blame the Scyd Berry to take advantage of this situation and make up his own theories.

    After all, when we all Enjoy when Prem has a go at the BCCI, I see no reason for the English readers/supporters have a bit of chuckle at our expense...

    As they say, "Apni izzat apne haath".

    Sadly, for the first time, the BCCI have actually 'lived' up to their so called 'Rotational' policy.

    Of the 9 regular Test centres, Chandigarh, Kolkata & Bangalore have hosted the last three Matches. That left Ahmedabad, Chennai, Delhi, Kanpur, Mumbai & Nagpur, so the BCCI have gone and allocated the Tests to these venues.

    However, if you look at the past 3-4 years, the whole Rotational policy seems to be a eye-wash.

    There is no consistency, or as Prem would say, the only thing consistent is the inconsistency :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:36  

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    By Blogger Silver Fox, at 06:38  

  • saurabh.....but I posted the stats for past 3-4 years....check out and tell me if you get the feeling of an eye-wash? I think test matches are allocated on rotation...and lot of favours done in ODI allocation. Thats my impression.

    And I agree BCCI invites the scorn and ridicule etc by its own actions (or lack of). And I also know that Prem has a go at BCCI...mostly for valid reasons. In some cases I don't agree with his tirades as well..and do point them out (for example selection matters...where I argued with him that they have been fairly consistent in past 3-4 years).

    By Blogger worma, at 07:23  

  • what I fail to understand Worma is that why on earth would we want to go out of our way to create fast, bouncy, pacy wickets for the Pom quartet?
    Surely, being the home team, we have the right to play to our strengths.
    "That would play into the hands of India's spinners and make life correspondingly hard for England's quartet of pace bowlers
    Mr Berry seems to forget that the iternary for the BD series and the Ashes was based on the premise that early in the season, the ball would do more, and hence BD and later in the season, with the wickets being drier, would afford less lateral movement for the seamers and thus negate Gillespie and McGrath.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 07:38  

  • Also, it if for the ECB to accept or reject the schedule laid out. Surely we do not plan series for the benefit of British back packers.
    if there is no decent hotel in site in any of the three venues, how does that become the responsibility of the BCCI? Unless Mr berry would like the BCCi to venture into the Hospitality industry too :))

    By Blogger SHRI, at 07:43  

  • shri: ofcourse I didn't even touch that subject....which you rightly pointed out. Ofcourse every team makes pitches for home advantages. No exceptions at all. And there is a difference between having an underprepared pitch (which we do only some times) and having a good pitch affording lots of turn and bounce.

    It seems Pak recently took the bait of Eng media pressure and Shaharyar Khan recently 'announced' that they wont 'cheat' and thus not make pitches helping spin. Now I dont know what is the background reason, but I felt that the statement itself was ridiculous and probably pandering to the Eng media etc. Its not the first time, during this Eng tour to Pak, that their administration has shown this kind of soft attitude. But anyways...their problem. As far as India is concerned, I want to see all our test match pitches supporting lots of spin. Period.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:44  

  • shri, you know that ECB actually 'demanded' for 'entertainment' facilities in their tour venues in Pakistan...example golf courses in the venue etc! And they did it as an official demand, not just media pressure like Berry's article here. I wonder if they would have the guts to come up with such demands to India.

    And meanwhile the SA-Nz match again becoming interesting :-)...Bond smacked around....now Smith gone.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:49  

  • lol Worma.. and with three quality spinners in HS, AK and MK, it should be fun.

    About Green Park , Kanpur, it was under the ICC scanner because of the wicket not being upto scratch and hence could not host international matches.

    Also looking at the iternary, the Lankans have a lot of travelling to do for both the testd and ODIs, unlike the poms.

    Would have loved it if the BCCI would have taken on Mr Berrys suggestion and had a test in kolkatta, then mumbai and then delhi or chennai.

    you canb bet your last dollar that the poms would have whinged about the amount of travel involved..

    By Blogger SHRI, at 07:53  

  • 48/2 in the 11th over.
    If the Proteas lose this, will someone say match fixing? like they did when India won the last three in pak two years agon.
    Or when Pak won in India last year?

    By Blogger SHRI, at 07:58  

  • Andrew Strauss in the telegraph

    We have the summit within our reach
    By Andrew Strauss
    (Filed: 30/10/2005)

    Winter squads and itinerary

    Since the end of the Ashes I don't think that any of us would deny that everything has changed. For six weeks we have all been the centre of attention at any function, surrounded by well-wishers and grateful cricket converts. Opportunities have opened up to us that we never thought previously possible, and it has been fantastic to bask in the post-Ashes glow.

    Beating Australia, however, also changes how we are regarded by the rest of the cricket-playing world. Suddenly, we are no longer a talented, up-and-coming team, but one who everyone wants to beat. A series victory against England would be a significant feather in any cricket team's hat. It was with this in mind that we embarked on the journey to Pakistan last week.

    I suppose the real concern after such a glorious summer is that we underestimate the task that we are confronted with, are unwilling or unable to reproduce the mental and physical exertions which were fundamental to our success, and slip up at the first hurdle in our quest to overtake Australia at the top of the world's pecking order. I believe, however, the fact that no one in our squad views the Ashes victory as the summit, but rather as an important step in our goal to be the best team in the world, means everyone will be more than eager to show Pakistan we are a force to be reckoned with.

    This winter provides the perfect opportunity for us to keep improving. Series victories on the sub-continent are very rare for England sides, and if we can beat both Pakistan and India, we would certainly have taken another massive step to reaching that summit.

    Pakistan will be more than motivated to play us. Their record in recent Tests is not brilliant, but that may be due to the fact that they have only played 10 at home in the last five years. If the vast majority of your cricket is played away from home, victories will be harder to achieve. They have always had talent in abundance, both in the flock of genuinely quick bowlers they produce and the quality stroke-makers in the middle order. This tour should be no different with Mohammad Sami and Shoaib Akhtar potentially forming the quickest opening attack in world cricket.

    We will be very keen to keep playing the positive style of cricket that has been so successful for us over the last two years, but we also recognise that, sometimes in this part of the world, the wickets dictate that patience is very important. Once the shine has gone off the new ball it can be very difficult, and potentially dangerous, to force the pace too much. The combination of low bounce, reverse swing and slow outfields can make scoring much harder than we are accustomed to.

    Certainly, the first two net sessions we have had so far have been a real eye-opener for me. Extravagant drives that brought boundaries over the summer were succeeding in only knocking in the bottom of my new bat as the low bounce of the wicket messed around with my timing. We can take comfort, however, in the sort of players we have. The likes of Flintoff, Pietersen, and Trescothick will be savage on anything that is wayward, regardless of the state of the wicket. Hopefully, they will provide the momentum around which the rest of us can bat.

    Also off the pitch there is plenty of acclimatisation to be done. The dire warnings I received prior to coming about inadequate hotels, terrible food and lack of places to go have proved to be complete scare-mongering so far. The hotel in Rawalpindi is as good as anything we stayed in last summer, with restaurants serving Thai, Japanese, steak and Chinese as well as the local fare. There is also a well-equipped gym and swimming pool.

    Our fitness guru, Nigel Stockhill, seemed to be far more excited about those facilities than the players, but to be successful out here we have to keep as physically fit as possible. Despite tight security we are also able to go and look at the local carpet shops, and the British High Commission bar will probably be a popular spot.

    Whether these facilities are available in the more remote destinations on tour remains to be seen, but so far we have no complaints. We do have to get used to the weather conditions, however. Sweltering heat, as well as poor visibility and early morning dew all have potential to affect the way the games go, and we are very thankful that we have a couple of weeks and two warm-up games before the first Test.

    Arriving here on Wednesday morning to be greeted by thousands of aid items laid out on the airport runway, which were destined for those hit by the earthquake, reminded us very quickly that there are plenty of things in life far more important than cricket. There is talk that the final death toll may well exceed 300,000 people, and there are hundreds of thousands of others who are injured and homeless.

    As we sit in our five-star hotel with plasma screen TVs, it is hard to imagine that just a few hundred kilometres away there is utter devastation. The players are keen to do as much as we can to help, and I am sure the ECB and the Pakistan Cricket Board have ideas. Hopefully, the way that the series is played and the quality of the cricket may also serve to bring some sort of enjoyment to those who have been affected.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:04  

  • tell me one thing:
    Why is Prem promoting English media criticism of BCCI here?

    How often does the American media gives free space to Al Jazera to
    promote hatred.

    cut the BS; please don't promote English view point on blog site visited by Indians.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:05  

  • I always take the name Proteas and Poms for granted (just like black caps). Can someone tell why the teams get these names? Also, is there any other team being referred as such?

    By Blogger nilcritz, at 08:06  

  • shri...atleast the way Gibbs is playing looks 'fixed' ;-)...

    anyways..those 'fixing' allegations are often the creation of our media...and I dont think they would be itnerested in raising that bogey for SA-Nz matches.

    And about the venue..agreed...the first thing I noticed about the test matches was so little travelling to be done by them. I wish, same as you, that atleast one of the venue was far far away :-)....whinging POMS...as always.

    What say Saurabh?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:07  

  • I would be suspicious of anyone promoting English view point aginst BCCI or India. No need for that!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:07  

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    By Blogger worma, at 08:10  

  • nilcritz...in the same vein...am not very sure if POMs is used in a generic sense..or has a slight derogatory connotation to it?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:11  

  • Why are british called Poms?


    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:12  

  • yacrik...no one is promoting the english viewpoint. Good lord,if we were to do that , we would have to praise the Poms in superlatives and talk down every other team. For all its failings, the BCCI, because of pressure or otherwise, have laid down the iternary. However, it is a bit rich for Mr Berry and his ilk ( Berry was the guy who coined the moniker "lord Snooty" if I remember right)to beat up the BCCI for things like turning wickets, inadequate hotels, bugs, heat, dust, brown people, non english speakers, sachin tendulkar.. :)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:14  

  • Well wWrma, my irritation with the BCCI is their lack of planning.

    If Test matches are decided on Rotational basis, then what is there to decide?

    Also, we can sit here and make fun of the BCCI, Ganguly and Gavaskar.

    And when the others do the same, it hurts...

    Also, Scyd Berry has just written about the BCCI and it's ways of functioning. I wonder what would happen if he (and other british journalist) start making fun of the Indians like we do to the Brits.

    Some of the articles I read on the Hindu making fun of the Ashes were shameful, to say the least.

    We need to grow up...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:15  

  • well, if Prem did not put Berry's thoughts here how many would have known what silly things he was talking about; Berry's and Prems readers are mutually exclusive - don't think Berry provides a link to this blog; if Prem provides a link to Berry's article, isn't that promoting/spreading Berry's gospel?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:17  

  • yacrik, if you chose to live in a cacoon, then no point in visiting this blog, or the internet for the matter...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:20  

  • saurabh....are you sure you read them in the The Hindu?...I've been following it regularly...and anyways its arguably the most respected (and referred to) of all Indian media groups outside our shores.

    Anyways...as I said earlier, credit should be given where its due. The BCCI has lots of flaws, and is rightly flayed here (and elsewhere) for those reasons. We all read it, contribute to it. But I just wanted to catch a specific point (or points) where this particular criticism was wrong. I've written earlier also, that to me the test allocation seems rotational. Its not as if I'm questioning Berry's right to do so.

    To me it doesnt matter who's making the point, as long as the reason is correct.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:20  

  • Folks,
    Prem was not really putting forward Berry as an Englishman. Prem was 'using' Berry's view against BCCI as he said so well what Prem wants to tell. That's all bro's!!

    By Blogger SS, at 08:21  

  • Worma, I will try to dig out one of the article from the Hindu.

    Also, Berry's article is a load of crap! But somehow, one person's opinion turns towards the whole POM-Bashing thing (A bit like the anti-SG theme on this blog).

    Anway, why bother! Sachin is back. That's all that matters.

    Everything else is trivial. and the Scyd Berry's of this world don't exit....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:25  

  • saurabh: living in a cacoon.

    with all due respect; there is no way in the world, Berry is in a position to rationally analyze and pass opinion on BCCI - it's not about nationality or ethnicity; it's simply the distance and involvement; How often does he get to know about BCCI's internal mechanics - or care about it.

    He should stick to what he knows best - ECB. BCCI will be over analyzed one billion Indians in India. unless Berry comes down to India and takes time to talk to various groups and people involved he cannot get a correc picture.
    He will write whatever -

    it's sensible to igore such things - the source of opinion is very critical.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:26  

  • yacrik.. with due respect.. I was the one who pasted the Sclyd berry link in one of the previous posts.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:29  

  • ok, Berry's opinion to support your view is not going to cut it (for most sensible people); agree ,there are many who would believe whatever they read.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:29  

  • yacrik.. why can an indian not have an opinion on all things english and vice versa? There is no such thing as mutually exclusive with all things cricket :)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:31  

  • I have no problem with whatever Berry write; my beef is with guys who promote such ignorant view points from unreliable opinion-makers;

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:31  

  • shri: it's not about nationality or ethnicity; I'm not saying Indians should not have an opinion on English cricket.
    my poins is it's difficult to have correct opinion on private matters from distance.

    anyway, I have made my views known - and let me get back to SG bashing :)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:34  

  • Yacrik... My grouse with berry is not that he has vented spleen over the working of the BCCI. We all do that. My grouse if over the fact that he derides the BCCI because of "lack of accomodation for british tourists" at the venues for the test matches. I mean, beat up the BCCI for thier shoddy working. But this is surely a bit much. It was in that context that I pasted the link. And Wormas arguement is that the BCCI system of rotating test venues is not a one off ( another of Berrys grouses). As a matter of fact, the BCCI has been rotating test venues and as proof, Worma has documented the venues of the last 20 tests playted in India.
    Laudable effort Worma,.. Take a bow :)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:35  

  • saurabh..while I agree that Berry's article is one person's opinion (although an article by a representative of a respected newspaper is not really just one person writing about anything, is it?)some the points he raised here are quite often raised by the visiting teams...that we prepare square turners..and chose venue to fit those advantage.

    I will wait for some more time...but am sure this bogey would again be raised for this Eng tour....about doctored pitches etc. And I dont see BCCI or even unofficial cricket related media/critics etc in India bowing to the Eng pressure and answering the way Pak admin did ("we will not prepare pitches to cheat")

    By Blogger worma, at 08:37  

  • Berry should be ignored - not given honours by providing a link to his article - that is the point. I guess there are many 'smart' people who insist on providing links to rubbish.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:39  

  • yacrik, berry may be an idiot, but his opinion has been published in one of the leading English newspapers, hence it becomes important.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:44  

  • saurabh...one additional point...we do know how Aus, Eng(to a lesser extent) etc..when they tour..they have the additional force of 'media' behind them....raising up storms...causing flutter in opposition camps. And this starts much before the actual tour starts (remember the Pak tour issues...how early they were raised)...so I believe the same would happen for the Indian tour.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:45  

  • saurbh:
    I don't know if Berry is an idiot - don't care either way.

    His views might be relevant to the English press , but are not important to Indian cricket fans.
    (it's important to those Indian fans in colonial mentality - who cares about what the English press says about India or Indian cricket)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:55  

  • Yacrik... things dont move around in vacumn.. if there is an opinion piece in the english press concerning the english tour of india, then it is of concern to the indian fan. now, whether we have to opine on it or not is an individuals call.
    as to the importance or lack of about the opinion piece, to each his own.
    And I think you are being prejudiced if you say that there is a hint of the colonial mentality at work here.

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:01  

  • http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/wac/content/story/135830.html

    By Blogger SHRI, at 09:08  

  • ummm...just watching NZ/SA game. there is a woman commentator? who is that?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 09:21  

  • yacrik, I agree with Shri. Besides, I have been living in the UK, and how Indian's are perceivced here is very important for me.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:38  

  • worma,

    kanpur would have been in danger of losing its international venue status had there been a repeat of the test match between India and srilanka ( remember that match was abondened due to poor pitch condition) hence BCCI was reluctant to allocate any tests to kanpur unttil it was satisfied with the pitch (and also kanpur was reluctant to host)

    By Blogger Amit, at 09:45  

  • amit..thx for reminding me on that. In the same vein..any idea why Lucknow was dropped off the test map...I do seem to remember it hosting a few test matches? (atleast one was Ind-WI in the Kambli come-back series)

    By Blogger worma, at 09:57  

  • Well Worma, next time you are in Lucknow, just walk around that Stadium. Its not worthy of a Ranji game, let alone a Test match...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:00  

  • Ahmedabad and Delhi are usually dull draws... expect anything different this time?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:03  

  • saurabh I know that part LOL :-)...but its partially due to cause and effect theory....its dilapidated because it doesnt host anything...

    anyways..not complaining...its a commutation nightmare when they host matches in such small congested locations (even in Kanpur)...and I am more likely to watch at Lords than Lucknow anyways ;-)

    tiger..Delhi hasn't hosted a test for a while...maybe there's a new pitch as well? And I dont want to judge by the ODI pitches...usually they are deliberately made flat..and anyways its difficult to exploit the spin in ODIs too much.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:09  

  • Its a pity that Gibbs doesnt tour India...his game is so well suited for our ODI tracks...and is one of the few entertaining cricketers in this SA lineup

    By Blogger worma, at 10:11  

  • Tiger, Delhi was dull in the 70's
    but of the last 8 games in Delhi, 7 have produced results (5 in favour of India), so its not exactly dull.

    Remember Kumble's perfect 10 against Pakistan?

    Ahmedabad is dull...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:16  

  • Yes, Gibbs is great. I always feel he never lived up to his potential. a bit of a carefree attitude...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:19  

  • so lets hope ECB raises a fuss over Ahmedabad...and it gets alloted to Kolkatta..or Chennai ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 10:20  

  • but looking at these SA-Nz games makes me wonder...how well-oiled their machinery is for ODIs...so many direct hits(some of the variety that cause national holidays in India ;-)...runouts...singles right throughout the innings...never relying on boundaries...all chases done with perfection...hardly ever showing signs of nervousness. How very different is our style of playing...we can afford one or two such matches in a series(or a season)..the kind of matches they have almost throughout!

    Ofcourse this is not as interesting to watch....and ODI cricket is more about entertainment than just results...but still I can see why they are so high in their rankings...and its actually suprising if we are able to match them, suddenly, over a period of time...as we did in the WC

    By Blogger worma, at 10:25  

  • kemp is good...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:30  

  • good move by NZ. Bond-Vettori-Bond for the last 3 overs.

    But bond's gone for a few, so lets see...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:33  

  • yeah...Bond is looking pretty ordinary today...

    By Blogger worma, at 10:35  

  • this makes the next 2 matches boring..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:36  

  • 17 of 12.

    If SA win, it will be 15 out of 16 wins (I washed out due to rain). Now that is some form...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:37  

  • .. or meaningless, rather..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:37  

  • 12 off 9 balls is still not easy...with Bond to go

    By Blogger worma, at 10:38  

  • well Tiger, this ones not over yet...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:39  

  • yes and if Ind beat SL in the series...that would make the battle with SA even more interesting.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:40  

  • 9 runs in last over.

    I go for the Kiwis at this stage...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:40  

  • WOW!..Kemp is doing a Klusener....over the entire series

    By Blogger worma, at 10:41  

  • actually, just changed my mind :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:42  

  • kemp is da man

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:42  

  • that was one massive blow

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:42  

  • Kemp is destructive. I saw him dismantle England earlier this year. Absolutely awesome...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:43  

  • Will Lanka drop down the ICC and Rediff ranking if they lose the series against India? And will India rise?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:43  

  • SA is already number 2 on the list as per latest rankings

    SL is down to number 3 and may go below NZ ... Our chances of going up look good after good performances against SL and hopefully SA

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:45  

  • why do I get the feeling that not many in this SA team are actually fond of Smith??....each time there is a celebration..or a huddle etc...I get this feeling

    By Blogger worma, at 10:45  

  • why?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:46  

  • worma -- i think u are imagining --- people thought the same --- outside india - --- about team not happy with SG during our hay days.... but that was not true ...

    I think Smith is a good captain for the team ..... not good for others ... but who cares

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:46  

  • Bond sucks. Man!!!! Did you see the last two balls he bowled. Looks like you cannot bowl him in the crunch overs. He is proving that frequently now. All the hardwork undone.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 10:46  

  • I am sure NZ miss Gavin Larson ,,,, that man could bowl a maiden in the last over if required

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:47  

  • Even the SA-NZ series is called Sahara series!! Wonder where cricket wud be without Indian corporate sponsors..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:48  

  • amit....just from watching the body language of the players...when they rejoice...huddle etc...not really charged up interaction with Smith..even when they are hugging each other. OK I may be imagining things....but this is what I saw atleast twice today.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:48  

  • Or even Chris cairns --- a bit more reliable --- not as much as Gavin Larson though

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:48  

  • You "may" be right ... coz I am not watching ... but i hope that is not the case ... he is good ... not the best ... but good ... i would love to see him mature into a good leader ... he has the age to mature more ...

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:49  

  • yeah but Cairns is in really poor form...

    By Blogger worma, at 10:50  

  • I know --- right now ... he is but he was good some time ago ... really reliable .

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:51  

  • Some competetive cricket between these two teams thought eh score is 3-0 but the matches were worth their time .
    Dotn expect tonights match to be competetive though..:)

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 10:51  

  • yeah he's been a good captain for SA...don't know about popularity...but anyway at the time when he got the charge, being popular may not have been high on agenda.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:51  

  • Get this guy Bond out of the team. They need to apply the LAXMAN principle to him. One strike you are out. Then he will improve.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 10:51  

  • I think today's game in Jaipur will be fun actually .... SL is bound to come back heavily and I am PRETTY sure that India is not AT ALL complacent ... RD anf GC will not let them be complacent at all...

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:52  

  • Worma,

    Where can I find those Agarkar Bashers?
    They kept chanting Bond Bond.
    Bond lost two in a row for NZ where it was possible for him to win both. 73 rund in 9.2 overs and the worst ER of all the NZ bowlers!

    He may look good now but show me how he look when he takes 200 if at all he does that.

    There is a trend on this Blog for beating our own and that too when they really deserve credit for their contributions.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 10:52  

  • I am not a AA fan as scuh ... but ti think people are a bit unfair to him ... his place in the team and his role in the team is well defined and hence GC too is sticking with him ... when SRT was capatain people said -- SRT is biased ... then SG was biased ... now RD is biased .. Wright was biased ... Wadekar was biased .. GC is biased ... why do all these cricketing brains think that AA deserves a place in the team ,,, got to be a reason

    By Blogger @mit, at 10:55  

  • cricktip,
    With what logic do you justify Bond smcking with Aggy's performance?

    With your explaination, Aggy should feel confident after dismal Bond showing!

    And like Aggy, you will find Bond out of Nz team soon.

    By Blogger J, at 10:56  

  • cricktip - Agree about Agarkar.. He could definitely do better, but he better than his competitors in the Indian team - viz., Balaji, Zaheer, etc

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:56  

  • Crictip:
    Read my post from a moment on BOND. Yes AGARKAR needed to be booted out. Well that is not possible!!!! Is IT, as long as his other so call great player is in the team.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 10:57  

  • tiger - I think this is Air Sahara, the SA airlines. I may be wrong though

    By Blogger J, at 11:01  

  • cricktip...I agree with one partcular aspect of your complaint...that many people don't look closely at what happens outside the Indian cricket scene...and thus the perspective is not well rounded. For example...people often have this common complain that India creates winners out of oridnary players. While their are enough examples of this phenomenon happening against other(better) teams we well.

    Anyways...about Bond...well he's a very good bowler (irrespective of what happens in this match..or the previous one, or the next one) going by what we 'see' off him...on the screen. I dont really want to judge someone just by stats.

    And I dont want to go into AA issue now, although I did express my opinions quite clearly on this, before this line of discussion went the 'SG route' :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:01  

  • @mit:
    Your post on Agarkar "but ti think people are a bit unfair to him ". Comeon man do not question people's intelligence. Sooner or later they will realize it. It does not matter RD, SG, GC being at the helm. As long as that never so good in the clutch (you know who I mean. I assume you are smart) is in the team or around it AA is in. It goes without saying. All you need to see is his pathetic run up to the wicket and his DEER in a HEADLIGHT look when confronting quality opponents to make up mind. He belongs no where close to the international arena.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 11:09  

    For all those who really think Agarkar is a 150 ODI material, IMO you need your heads examined. Just a thought and that would be money well spent.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 11:18  

  • Go have a look,

    How long did it take Akram to take 218 wickets- 154 games.
    Mcgrath - 143 games

    and there are lot more bigger names taking much longer to reach 218 wickets not to mention some of the others who could not even get there.

    and WORMA-Not interested in knocking Bond it is the shallow chanters- why do not they come out crying foul now. That is the problem.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 11:30  

  • Dear Ramshorns, it is futile to argue with people who have their heads stuck up their arses where they cannot hear the sweet strains of logic and intelligence.

    But do tell me how you got your horns inside, and do the horns hurt?

    By Blogger i, at 11:53  

  • Crictip:
    The economy rate for akram - 3.8
    and for mcgrath - 3.85,
    agarkar - 5.1

    Translation almost 60 runs more in a 50 over march for the matches Agarkar bowls. If an intelligent man was analysing the games he would go for the economy over the wickets in the ODI's. Some meaning less wickets in the end conceding hell lot of runs is as bad as losing the game.
    I think CONTROLLING runs is the name of the game.
    Never ever bring up Agarkar in the same breath again with those two other guys.

    This is exactly how out selectors think when they pick the team and people who do not analyse the game well fall for it.

    Agit Agarkar in the Indian team give me a break please.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 11:56  

  • I am not an Agarkar fan and he has to go in my opinion. This will be his last series if he does not perform. The fact of the matter is that RD, SRT, GC and even SG have at some point in time mentioned that Agarkar is a "find" and "match winner". We are all still waiting...

    Maybe GC and RD are working on changing his loser Manrekar-Vengsarkar type attitude and approach. And yes, please do not put him in the same league as Bond or anyone. Agarkar is alone in his "underperforming category" . Most of his wickets have been meaningless wickets in the death (one wicket, a four, a six, one wicket, a four, a four)

    By Blogger MM, at 12:24  

  • @crictip:
    Comparing AA to Akram or McGrath is not going to win any argument. If you had one bowler to bowl the last over of a match, would you pick AA over these two? i think not. It is important to look at the quality of the wicket and how they are taken. Most of the AAs wicket seem to be from batsmen trying to hit him out, where as the other two have more conventional types of wickets.

    I think AA is a talented bowler but is way too inconsistent for my taste. He seems to be going through the motion till his place in the team comes under scrutiny and he will produce a brilliant spell. And even though he is a decent bat, some of the shots that he gets out are really atrocious. Only SRT is allowed to play those shots :-).

    By Blogger sunny, at 12:29  

  • Ok lets throw Agarkar out and bring back Zaheer Khan.. or Lakshmipathy Balaji or Nehra... or VRV Singh or RP Singh or Gagandeep or Joginder Singh or Ranadeb Bose or Munaf Patel or...

    By Blogger Tiger, at 12:37  

  • Ajit Agarkar - discounting matches against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Kenya, has 33 wickets in 25 matches conceding 5.5 RPO, at an average of 28.3 - Does India have a better fast bowler who can replace him? Probably not. If one is unearthed, AA will most likely be dumped...

    By Blogger Tiger, at 12:45  

  • I think there is no point debating Agarkars credentials for there are none. As long as there is not so great in the clutch is in the team or around it this will happen. Just the other day they had Agarkar over Sreesanth when the young gun needs grooming who has the potential to be a far better bowler than Agarkar ever is or was. Or else how can one explain the mediocrity named Agarkar is tolerated and put in this National team. However GC and company will make you believe that they are building for WC 07 and giving chances to youngsters where on the contrary it is always proved to be otherwise.

    They will bring probably one of the other guys you mentioned but it wont be at the expense of Agarkar. Mark my words. And you see the reasons for that I explained above. Trust me lets say a Balaji is persisted with like Mr. Mediocrity he will produce better. I am willing to bet my bottom dollar or rupee on that.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 12:48  

  • GC - Fool or Wizard?

    By Blogger penlax, at 13:15  

  • what is wrong in persisting with agarkar ? he is no worse than most others. at least he is not lazy and complacent like zaheer or a terrible fielder who keeps daydreaming like nehra. if agarkar is given confidence and a long run he can do well in ODIs. in fact hw bowled quite well in the game in Mohali

    By Blogger GK, at 13:25  

  • AA will not be out as long as team depends on SRT. Message sealed and delivered!! :-))

    By Blogger SS, at 13:37  

  • surprised to see that mr. berry thinks the wankhede isnt a major test venue!

    By Blogger Soultan of Swing, at 13:44  

  • mm, what they probably meant is that agarkar is a match winner for the opposition

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 14:13  

  • Going back to the article by Scyld Berry, I tend to agree with him on the hotel issue. BCCI should come up with a new policy that would facilitate Cricket tourism.
    India is now an attractive destination to many western countries and many people from developed countries like England and Australia like to visit India during a cricket tour. Bigger cities have better facilities for tourists, like sufficient 4 star or 5 star hotels, better airports and flight connections, good restaurants and so on.
    Instead of being obstinate like the BCCI, we have to look at the bigger picture when deciding test venues, especially when playing against big test playing nations.

    By Blogger Shyam, at 14:33  

  • worma:
    I have a very negative personal opinion of Sclyd Berry and Christopher Martin-Jenkins (who used to write for Telegraph and now writes for Times). I lived in England and they are totally biased (if not racist!).
    Anyway, the point of holding of international matches at appropriate venues is a relevant one. Look at the list of venues for ODIs..Indore, Guwahati, Faridabad, Cuttack, Cochin, Visakhapatnam and Goa .. Except Kochi and Goa, none of the places have decent 5 star hotels to accomodate the players and press - let alone the tourists. Try flying to Cuttack, Vizag, Guwahati and even Indore (the frequency of flights to these places is very low). I am told even Kanpur and Nagpur(test centers) do not have decent hotels. I think besides serving the local people, we should also look at encouraging cricket tourism. A proper balance must be struck...and two tier rotation policy enforced. The first tier centers - Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkatta, Mohali(primarily due to excellent grounds), Bangalore, Delhi (if Kotla is rebuilt)and maybe Hyderabad - should get a game every year (or at twice the frequency vs second tier). The second tier centers - Kochi, Goa, Guwahati, Indore, Gwalior, Jaipur, Ahmedabad, Rajkot, Baroda, Pune, Jamshedpur, Cuttack, Vizag, Kanpur(?) etc should get a game every two years (or at half the frequency of the first tier ones). Alternatively, major countries -Aus, Pak, WI and Eng - should get 1s tier centers and the rest NZ,SL,SA,Zim, BD should play at the second tier centers.
    Look at Australia - the major teams play in Melbourne, Sidney, Adelaide and then maybe Brisbane. The "less crowd drawing" teams play in Perth, Hobart, Darwin and Brisbane.
    I think some of the second tier centers - Jaipur and Ahmedabad and maybe Pune can become first tier ..but they need to get the Civic infra - air connections and hotels - better

    By Blogger losing now, at 15:28  

  • Asfar as venue is concerned, I am pretty clear. It should be the one which gices biggest advantage t home team. Period. All other arguements are pointless.

    So Poms got to show us how good they are on spinning tracks! Only fools would give grass to Harmisson, Flintoff and Jones.

    By Blogger J, at 16:06  

  • Back to the Agarkar issue. I think we all agree (at least most of us)that he does not deserve a place in the team. I do believe that this series is a make or break for him (whether or not SRT supports him). I think Dravid has a role to play in this as well since he is an Agarkar believer.

    What happenned to Balaji - I am not fully aware of any issues with regard to his attitude or laziness etc. All I remember that he had a few bad games against Pakistan especially when Afridi was blazing. I like Balaji - he is positive, wants to win and has the skill. He seems to have pissed off somebody in the "circle of trust".

    By Blogger MM, at 16:46  

  • It is difficult to predict pitches in India. Who would have thought that Kanpur would produce a track like that against Australia. The curator Kishore Pradhan gave a royal snub to the team management and produced a good cricket pitch which was not exactly good from India's strategy point of view.

    Ahmedabad in 1996 produced a 2 paced track on which Donald took a fifer and Srinath's memorable spell took India to victory. However, Mumbai wicket drew a lot of criticism from all quarters and I dont think Umrigar would make another rank turner like that. So the venues are well venues....its too premature to say that this venue will behave like that in February and March next year....if Nagpur can change colours, so can any venue. Sclyd Berry kind of associates small town venues with dusty rank turners by default.

    India should go for their strengths obviously, but they should also back themselves to beat England on good cricket wickets.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 16:55  

  • Sunil Gavaskar......the man whom Prem so memorably described as one who " runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds" throws his piece of mind in a convoluted way in his article after the Mohali one dayer.

    The start that the openers gave meant the time was ripe for Venugopal Rao to be given a promotion for there was no pressure and to be able to bat along with the little champion would be a great learning experience. Instead, it was J.P.Yadav who was sacrificed, and at this rate it looks as if Rao will make it to the 2007 World Cup without batting for India, for he seems a protected species.

    The form he showed in the Challenger means he does not need the protection, but it may have been the worry that if he failed then there could be a case for a change in the team. The selectors have decided not to change a winning combination, but would they have done that if Kaif had been declared fit?

    Or maybe they knew that even if Kaif had been declared fit, he would have to show it by playing in a domestic tournament, for that we are told is the new regulation for injured players. We will soon know if it is only for some or whether the BCCI is serious in applying the same rules for everybody.

    That apart, it’s been a great two days for Indian cricket and the fans can’t wait for more as the festive season is upon us. The firecrackers are coming from all sides and the sparklers are making the men in blue look like golden boys.

    It really is a wonderful start to the new season, and with India playing non-stop for the next 10 months, it is just the foundation that Indian cricket needs.


    I just get the feeling that after Rao, he was contemplating to bring up Ganguly. Then after probably an afterthought, ignores him altogether and brings in Kaif. But an unfit Kaif + a failed Rao at Mohali would have forced selectors to bring in whom, Sunny G? Also notice the "We will soon know if it is only for some or whether the BCCI is serious in applying the same rules for everybody."

    Hmmm...hints and innuendos....the bit about Rao going to the 2007 World Cup as a "protected species "is interesting. So "Sunny Baba" has trained his sights on Rao. But Rao seems to be on the good books of Greg Chappell who sees him another pivot in the middle order around which the team will revolve.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 17:02  

  • WV Raman in today's Hindu:

    With Pathan proving to be a useful customer, the middle order is packed enough to stall the re-entry of Sourav Ganguly. In all fairness, the selectors have done the right thing as there is no point in picking him in the squad if he is not likely to make the final eleven. An experienced cricketer like Ganguly sitting out on the bench does more harm to the team than good.

    Ganguly has seen enough in his career to realise that it is better he gets picked only if he is certain of getting a game. It remains to be seen if Ganguly musters enough steel to make a comeback with a string of scores.

    Ganguly's non-inclusion has to go down as one of the more objective decisions taken by the selection committee in a long time. It is also a pointer that Chappell has convinced the selectors that current form and the right attitude should be the criteria for a player to gain selection.

    The Chappell-Dravid combination is just about getting put a process in place and given their basic purposeful nature, they will have no time for reluctant triers.

    Dravid likes to encourage youngsters and with Chappell keen on fine-tuning Team India for the 2007 World Cup, some serious pushing and shoving is on the cards. "

    Full article: http://www.hindu.com/2005/10/31/stories/2005103104161900.htm

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 17:10  

  • Bishen Bedi , who considers MM as a javelin thrower writes in the Asian Age, quite bluntly,that team India- Ganguly =success and in a circumlocuted manner that Harbhajan and MM are chuckers , once and for all.


    Team India - Ganguly + Sachin = Success
    - By Bishan Singh Bedi

    Team India’s sudden transformation equation should read something like this: Team India-Ganguly+Sachin = fresh inputs of ideas and actions. The results are quite astonishing. But it is indeed too early to put Dravid and his lads in the top bracket. But the signs are encouraging that Rahul and Greg shall gel well together for the benefit of Indian cricket. So far, so good. Let’s have a breather and move over to the visitors’ camp.

    Atapattu’s Sri Lankans arrived as favourites with a mighty big number 2 standing in the ICC standings in ODIs. My experimental book which is slightly different from the way the ICC’s numbers game operates, tells me "numbers" or "seedings" can often be misleading.

    To put it mildly, the Sri Lankans are playing like the Indians of two months ago. It is nice to observe the boot is on the other foot. Also, we were wrong in assessing only the Indians became complacent. In fact. "complacency" is the sole prerogative of the Asian sub-continent. Be that as it may, India’s new captain is well versed with the ABC of cricket — agility, balance and control — they are well within his grasp as also a good streak of aggro without quite showing it.

    Rahul is cool and compact in his thinking, two of the vital ingredients we find in his batting in abundance. Give him his very fine cricket brain and Rahul is not afraid to do battle without allowing the balance or control of mind go haywire. Should that happen at any stage, which well it might, Rahul has a ready and sharp helped in Sachin Tendulkar. What we have seen of the great little batsman after a long break is breathtaking. Fatigue will no doubt catch up and then Sachin will have to slow down his pace.

    By normal standards, Sachin plays faster than anybody else in modern cricket. So, a shade slower Sachin would in no way harm team interests. What India needs is a fit and raring to go Sachin every time he takes the field. Should he need rest at any given time, Mr Chappell’s willingness to alter game plans must come in handy. On the surface, some cynics say there is method in Chappell’s madness. To that I’ll only add there is no element of genius without some form of madness.

    There are still five more one-dayers to go. As the Lankans move westwards, the muggy climate may be to their liking. So we may yet see some good contest. A one-sided ODI is a poor reflection of instant cricket.

    Another factor which is irritating me, not as of now, but for a long time, and this involves the weird ways of the ICC. I have not seen the Sri Lankans play India so closely for a long time. My observations should be read in the spirit I am writing. When I talk of "spirit", I mean "spirit of the game".

    Away from the contest of the teams, I am observing a close battle between two of the world’s leading "offies" albeit with "suspect" actions. Cleared by the ICC for various reasons, I am not convinced if the great good of the game was largely given any considerations.

    Talking to a few commentators "we have lost the battle" they say. Which means, what? Their actions are okay now?

    "Oh, no, Bish, never. They are bending their elbows more now and with almost gay abandon, and with the freedom they haven’t enjoyed before."

    "What is bothering us is the impact such crooked actions will have on the next generation."

    You might have noticed the quotes are not all mine. Nor have I put words in people’s mouths.

    But as an everlasting optimist, I am hoping sanity shall prevail within the ICC. If not now, then surely in the near future.

    For the record, I would like to question the wisdom of the ICC in permitting doosras galore. And pray tell us, who is recording the flexing of the degrees. Now, tell me, is there any method in ICC’s madness? Can any fiction keep up with reality? Never.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 17:13  

  • Sunil Gavaskar is implying selectors are playing politics with non-inclusion of SG..he is playing for JD camp. Rao is the only guy he can write...he is the weakest spot in the current eleven.
    To me a new bat is better than SG..who was good..expiration date is well past.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 17:22  

  • Raju Bharatan , as always humourous , in the Sportstar:

    Chloe Saltau wonders about Justin Langer :
    "Justin Langer has been warned he risks puncturing a lung if he faces the West Indies with a cracked rib this week, but it is a gamble the defiant Australian opener with the abnormally high pain threshold is prepared to take."

    Will Swanton provides an explanation :
    Langer replaced Michael Slater as Matthew Hayden's opening partner in what was supposed to be a stop-gap measure in 2001. Langer scored a century, and kept on scoring centuries, to make the Test spot his own. Slater never played for Australia again. Langer will not want to allow anyone else even a sniff of an opportunity." :)

    Hayden goes philosophical. Form is a myth , he says. Read this wonderful article by that very good journo, Andrew Ramsey.

    The Sun Herald says that:
    "Ricky Ponting has given NSW opener Phil Jaques a massive boost for the start of the summer by saying the left-hander is firmly in line to become a Test opener - perhaps in the not too distant future. Ponting named Jaques yesterday when asked about a possible replacement for this week's first Test against the West Indies should Justin Langer be ruled out."

    Hmm...no wonder Langer's so desperate to play.

    Malcolm Conn writes about Brett Lee in the Australian:

    "Now, just eight days shy of his 29th birthday and half a decade past the exciting rookie stage, Lee's next 30 Tests have reaped 104 wickets at an average of 39.

    These are numbers which have Australia's cricket hierarchy quietly concerned.It is a world away from the excitement Steve Waugh felt when he saw Lee in full stride for the first time playing for NSW.

    In his book, Out of My Comfort Zone, Waugh writes of being "mesmerised by the pure artistry of a young quick named Brett Lee", comparing the experience to watching Shane Warne bowl for the first time on an Australian under-25 tour of Zimbabwe.

    In a match against Western Australia in Perth, just before his Test debut against India, Waugh talks about Lee breaking Jo Angel's forearm.

    "(He) terrorised Damien Martyn and Adam Gilchrist and bowled the quickest spell I'd ever seen," he wrote.

    Waugh lobbied then selector Geoff Marsh to pick Lee for the 1999 Boxing Day Test against India and the selectors concurred.
    "Seeing terror in a batsman's eyes is bliss for a quick, and for a captain there's no better feeling than to know you have a weapon who can intimidate top-order batsmen and finish off the tail purely by the length of his run-up," Waugh wrote.

    Frustratingly for everyone, and most of all Lee, that has not been the case for some time.

    Indeed, his debut figures, 5-47, remain his best.

    More questions were raised than answered about Lee during this year's Ashes tour following his return to the Test side after an absence of more than a year.

    Lee was never anything less than whole-hearted through a difficult campaign and the courage he showed with the bat put some of his team-mates to shame. But given the opportunity to play a full Test series for the first time in almost two years, the bottom line of 20 wickets at a cost of 41 apiece was barely considered a pass mark. "


    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 17:37  

  • From the Statesman:
    "Sourav wronged, says Sardesai

    MUMBAI, Oct. 30.— Former Test batsman Dilip Sardesai expressed anguish at the way former skipper Sourav Ganguly has been treated by the powers that be but at the same time gave Mr Greg Chappell’s unorthodox strategies — with a view to building the best combination for the World Cup 2007 — a thumbs up.
    “I personally feel that Ganguly has been treated very harshly and this is not the way to go about it,” the former Mumbai stalwart told The Statesman.
    However, Sardesai felt that if the goal was 2007, the ‘prince of Kolkata’ would find it very difficult to find himself back in the thick of action as age, fitness, injury, form and other factors would have to be taken into account.
    The same would apply to other ‘seniors’ in the team, barring Sachin Tendulkar, who is a cut above the rest and is beyond comparison.
    Giving Mr Chappell full marks for what he is trying out with the ‘men in blue’, Sardesai felt that the reputed Aussie was “absolutely right” in going about the way he is going.
    “He is trying to gauge the strength of each and every player and test them in different situations and see if they can give off their best,” he stated.
    Sardesai was also full of praise for Sachin Tendulkar’s authoritative return to the crease as demonstrated by his two peerless knocks in the two one-dayers against Sri Lanka. “The way Sachin is playing, he is playing at his best,” Sardesai, who hails from Goa, exulted. — SNS

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 17:47  

  • Thanks Dark Nights.
    Very good selection for a nice sunday evening read.

    By Blogger J, at 17:51  

  • mm - Balaji has 2 issues now. He has changed his action thrice in last 9 months and I think he is lost as to which one is good. The other is fitness.

    I am getting a feeling that GC's top priority is to look for 15 fittest(mentally and physically) men and that could explain why the axe for nehra,zaheer, balaji,kumble etc all fielding retards.

    This may have given an edge to AA but he didnt help his cause by getting run out ambling across and running sideways.

    I think these are still early days for RD-GC combine and there are severals cenarios to check like
    - Sachin getting out early. How team recovers?
    - Opposition team scores heavily how team chases?
    - A tight situation where opp needs 75 odd in last 10 overs with 5 wickets remaining.I am sure RD does not have a single strike bowler who he can throw the ball confidently to either get wickets or send a maiden. Pak has Shoaib and Sami, SL has Murali and Vaas, SA has pollock and NTINI, Nz has vettori, Aus have McGrath, Eng has Harm, Flint, Jones.

    By Blogger J, at 17:58  

  • r u guys online currently??

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:06  

  • People on this blog who live, breathe, and worship/ bash Ganguly would probably find this an interesting read here:


    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 18:07  

  • dark knights<<
    have u used sgstream ever??

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:09  

  • i am just in ..anything special ? !!!..hopefully we will have a separate open thread for the game

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 18:09  

  • i wan a subscribe sgstream today and wants to know how it is and how much they r charging?

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:10  

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    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 18:11  

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    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 18:11  

  • so how much for 20hrs?

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:12  

  • @ Maher....no I have never used SG stream boss..I use SS.

    By Blogger Dark Nights, at 18:12  

  • 10us per day??

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:12  

  • k.
    whats that?

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:13  

  • thats right maher. you can call it per match as well

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 18:14  

  • Dark nights whats SS?

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:14  

  • thanks pankaj

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:14  

  • maher pass on your email. wil send you details . not alot of people are happy to discuss this kind of stuff here .

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 18:14  

  • oo..ok

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:14  

  • mer18us@indiatimes.com

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:15  

  • please find a mail in your inbox..

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 18:22  

  • sure, thank a lot

    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:23  

  • Sangakara here on IE,
    which off-field controversy he talking about?


    By Blogger MAHER, at 18:30  

  • Guys.. besides all the SMG, Raman, Sardesai, Bedi et al articles. One point , i was wondering... How come Kaif (an injured player) is practicing and travelling with the Indian team and not SG. Irrespective of your (personal or otherwise) views on SG, MK etc. what are the "rules" (if any) for injured players on being associated with the actual full team?

    By Blogger losing now, at 18:48  

  • kaif:
    travelling because he was admined a fitness test at Mohali;
    he has declared himself fit and trained; but physio thought otherwise.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 18:58  

  • Kaif's case has a few surprising elements: his rest period end in 2 days; but still has not been included for the remaining ODIs; they are making him play domestic before they pick him; wonder if they would that to Sehwag , Dravid or even Yuvraj; Kaif's stock is low at this time.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 19:03  

  • Yacrik,
    thats the case Sahi making now, if saurav needs to pass his fitness through domestic match, Kaif has to do the same.

    By Blogger MAHER, at 19:23  

  • Are we going to have a new thread for the Jaipur match

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 20:18  

  • maher..sanga is likely talking about SG-GC story..., are prem or worma here? When's the match thread starting...hope they have not forgotten to adjust their clocks...

    By Blogger The Straighter Neo, at 21:32  

  • Just a FYI. Piyush Chawala the leggie who got SRT in Chellenger was MOM(60 runs & 6 wickets) in his first first class game. This guy will be building real pressure on Bhajji and Karthik in near future. If he is consistent India will have a good option for Super Sub position.

    By Blogger Vick, at 21:34  

  • Anyone know if the link has been posted on sportingstreams for the third ODI

    By Blogger getsrid, at 21:35  

  • Vick - wonderful news And he is so young. Definitely a great prospect.

    By Blogger J, at 21:40  

  • any news on team ??
    BBC suggests some changes in tonights game ..


    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 21:56  

  • My First Post - Hoping for a good game tonite.

    By Blogger Glorious Uncertainty(GU), at 22:00  

  • Is SL batting first?

    By Blogger The Straighter Neo, at 22:03  

  • Wouldn't it be cool if India decides to rest SRT today, and ink him in as a supersub, to use him only in dire straits...

    By Blogger The Straighter Neo, at 22:06  

  • SL batting first

    By Blogger J, at 22:07  

  • SL bat first, winning toss

    By Blogger Krishna, at 22:08  

  • anyone know the link on sportingstreams

    By Blogger getsrid, at 22:13  

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