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Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Results, anyone?(-worma)

Nope, this match doesn't look going anywhere. Botham, during lunchbreak, on being asked about the chances of Pakistan forcing quick runs and declaring said, "why would they?"

So, if any chances of a result remain in this match, I would think they're for England to make something of it. But I won't lose my sleep(or in this case, day's work) over it :-)

Anyway, open thread...as usual...anything cricket..

Meanwhile, I'm just wondering.....could it be that, atleast at the back of their minds, a draw here is probably what both teams would be happy with?...given the events of the match...hmm..

170 Comments:

  • when is the team for the SL series going to be announced?

    By Blogger Chetan Reddy, at 03:32  

  • chetan: today

    By Blogger worma, at 03:34  

  • Worma,

    Interesting matchups in the first leg of the Ranji Trophy..

    Mumbai plays Delhi - Old powerhouses that no longer count in the natioal scheme of things ( barring a Sehwag here or a Tendulkar there)

    Railways, the current Ranji Champs, play Karnataka with a fit again Kumble ( btw Kumble is not captain. Sujith Somasunder is)

    Maarastra play Bengal... With the national press following this game closely.. Is it because of Saurav Ganguly or Kiran More's bete noire Abhijit kale.. I wonder ? And what of Munaf Patel and Sairaj Bahutale?

    A strong TN side plays Gujrat.. without Laxmipathy Balaji.. there go his chances for selection methinks..

    And finally, the Inian eves have a 142 run lead with 10 wickets remaining against thier pom countrparts.. Blame it on the chicken tikka paste I guess :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:38  

  • apologies for the typos....

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:38  

  • SG bags two quick wickets for WB...6 overs, 1 maiden , 6 runs, 2 wickets

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:41  

  • green top in Poona?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:43  

  • He's in.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:44  

  • what happened to Balaji...why isn't he playing for TN? He recently said he's gonna play

    By Blogger worma, at 03:44  

  • Two more wickets have fallen after lunch...No info on who got the last two...Cricinfo does not seem to update

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:44  

  • Ganguly makes it to the Test side.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:45  

  • ganguly & dhoni in the teast squad...

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 03:45  

  • U have to hand it to SG....inspite of the pressure and the disappointment...cool

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:46  

  • galli: Sehwag, Gambhir are from Delhi And SRT AA from Mumbai. But not much new talent as of now.

    Hey Ganguly was taken 4 wkts already??

    By Blogger worma, at 03:46  

  • hm...SG probably as a specialist bowler ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:46  

  • 4 wkts for SG...way to go Dada

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:47  

  • The selectors decided that he had done well as an allrounder recently and chose to pick him as a bowling allrounder

    By Blogger worma, at 03:47  

  • agreed bowling was definitely a plus for SG over yuvi & kaif, especially in india when we go in with 2 pacers & 2 spinners......

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 03:48  

  • and this probably even without knowing his today's performance

    By Blogger worma, at 03:48  

  • What does Kiran More have to say on SG's inclusion?? Any news on that??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:49  

  • HAHA - bowling all rounder ;)

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 03:49  

  • Worma, I do know that GG and AA are from Delhi and Mumbai respectively.. However, do Delhi and Mumbai really matter anymore? Compared to the 80s when these two tams lorded over all the domestic scene and the national scene too

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:49  

  • This makes things interesting...

    my money is on lbw second ball. Shame that the odds are too good.....

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:49  

  • galli: yeah probably the selection is more performance based (ok not 100% but close to) so the bias towards big centers is gone.

    VRV missing from Punjab team...injured? Or probably getting a callup for last two ODIs against SA?

    By Blogger worma, at 03:50  

  • oh i thought nedded 3 weeks to recover from his injury ???

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 03:51  

  • dunno about bias Worma.. its related mor eto the spread of the game throughout the land and change in attitude towards sports in that sport ( read cricket) can be a profession like any other.

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:52  

  • can someone plz list the team ?

    By Blogger GK, at 03:53  

  • Has the team been announced only for the first test??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:53  

  • ravi: it was said couple of weeks. But that was around ODI 3 right?

    Chawla missing from UP squad because of Afro-Asian U19 tournament

    By Blogger worma, at 03:53  

  • Rvi.. VRV will be available for the last two ODIs against SA..

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:53  

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    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 03:53  

  • if it has been declared

    By Blogger GK, at 03:54  

  • Sourav Ganguly has been included in the Indian squad for the first Test against Sri Lanka in Chennai. The selectors decided that he had done well as an allrounder recently and chose to pick him as a bowling allrounder. Mahendra Singh Dhoni has replaced Dinesh Karthik as the wicketkeeper.

    The selectors also picked VVS Laxman and Anil Kumble in the squad while Rudra Pratap Singh was rewarded for his consistent performances in the one-dayers.

    Team for first Test against Sri Lanka 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid (capt), 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 Mohammad Kaif, 8 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk), 9 Irfan Pathan, 10 Ajit Agarkar, 11 Harbhajan Singh, 12 Murali Kartik, 13 Anil Kumble, 14 RP Singh.

    OPERATIVE WORD- FIRST TEST

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:54  

  • galli: from what I hear (from earlier generations) there were deserving cricketers in those corners earlier also. But never got a look-in. But what you say is also correct. The spread of game (mainly due to tv, and then some local heroes like Kaif, Das, Mohanty etc) has lead to more aware and 'next generation' cricketers coming out, like Dhoni

    By Blogger worma, at 03:55  

  • comeon this is a joke right ? u dont have ganguly listed in that anyway

    By Blogger GK, at 03:55  

  • Virender Sehwag,
    Gautam Gambhir,
    Rahul Dravid (capt),
    Sachin Tendulkar,
    VVS laxman,
    Yuvraj Singh,
    Mohammad Kaif,
    Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk),
    Irfan Pathan,
    Ajit Agarkar,
    Harbhajan Singh,
    Murali Kartik,
    Anil Kumble,
    RP Singh.....Am I missing something...This is the list in Cricinfo...SG does not figure in this list

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:57  

  • Galli, No ganguly

    By Blogger Aravind, at 03:57  

  • I am really surprised that Zaheer Khan has been 'dropped' !

    By Blogger worma, at 03:57  

  • here is the cricinfo link gk

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/226933.html

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 03:57  

  • no galli i cant open cricinfo from office, cud u plz copy paste ?

    By Blogger GK, at 03:58  

  • ravi, gk: those are 14 players. Squad is of 15.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:58  

  • Cricinfo has screwed up big time

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:58  

  • yup, some printing error. must be squad of 15 i guess

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 03:59  

  • tnx Worma

    By Blogger Aravind, at 03:59  

  • why is cricinfo posting 14 players ? is SG in or not ?

    By Blogger GK, at 03:59  

  • Worma...from when have we started picking 15 for games played in India??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:59  

  • Guess they feel that SG is a better bowler then Zak..goung by the bowling allrounder logic!

    Calling him a bowling allrounder..is clearly meant to be a insult.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 03:59  

  • ravi: dude...read what I wrote :-)....the squad is of 15. That list is of 14 players. Ganguly is 15th. Although not in that order ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:59  

  • worma, surely this deserves a separate post ?!?!

    By Blogger GK, at 04:00  

  • ravi: boss...haven't we had 15 players for all ODIs against SL....now against SA also?

    By Blogger worma, at 04:00  

  • gk...

    here are the contents of that story

    Sourav Ganguly has been included in the Indian squad for the first Test against Sri Lanka in Chennai. The selectors decided that he had done well as an allrounder recently and chose to pick him as a bowling allrounder. Mahendra Singh Dhoni has replaced Dinesh Karthik as the wicketkeeper.

    The selectors also picked VVS Laxman and Anil Kumble in the squad while Rudra Pratap Singh was rewarded for his consistent performances in the one-dayers.

    Team for first Test against Sri Lanka 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid (capt), 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 Mohammad Kaif, 8 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk), 9 Irfan Pathan, 10 Ajit Agarkar, 11 Harbhajan Singh, 12 Murali Kartik, 13 Anil Kumble, 14 RP Singh.

    and cricinfo has yet to update the story

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:00  

  • I guess the reporter is anti-ganguly ;)

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:01  

  • gk: ahh....well...yeah I would think so....esp because there are some other key names missing. Ok mate :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:01  

  • did the selectors really publicly say that SG was picked as a bowling all rounder, if that is true i am ROFL .... this is just great !!

    By Blogger GK, at 04:01  

  • and bowling allrounder, of his calibre, for a test match!

    By Blogger worma, at 04:02  

  • well if the selectors have indeed picked him as a bowling all rounder it is clear that they have picked him under pressure .. bowling all-rounder for merlin's sake

    By Blogger GK, at 04:03  

  • Fine, Ganguly has been selected, but was it necessary to say he has been chosen for Test cricket as a bowling allrounder? A bowling allrounder indicates he is more of a bowler than a batsman-- that's beyond ridiculous. At Test level, Gagnugly has bowled nearly 400 overs and has a bowling average of 52.47. I should hope that is not classified as a bowling allrounder. Why not just select him and leave it at that-- or say he has been selected on the merits of his batting. Is such a ludicrous comment necessary.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:04  

  • Just heard they've retained in the test side Ganguly as a bowling allrounder.

    Ganguly? A bowling allrounder? Isn't a bowling allrounder someone who is in the side for his bowling alone, but can bat too? Flintoff is a bowling allrounder. Pathan might become a bowling allrounder. Kallis is a batting allrounder. Ganguly is NOT a bowling allrounder. Plus, including him now will result in all sorts of negative vibe in the team. Hopefully, he'll stand by Dravid, improve his form & fitness, and do as he is told.

    By Blogger BothOfYouThreeComeHere, at 04:04  

  • Worma...true..but for tests, we have always been announcing 14 and for tours it is 16.Correct me if I am wrong.

    Anyways, makes it even more interesting. If SG needs to be included, RP Singh, Murali Karthik and MK or YS and one of AK or Hs need to sit out. If it means playing 2 spinners, then AA loses out and SG will have to open with IP;)....the pitch is getting queered

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:05  

  • sahir
    clearly he has been selected under pressure from jaggu and the selectors want to let everyone know that they wudnt have selected him if it were not for that ... hence the bowling all rounder thing

    By Blogger GK, at 04:05  

  • when is the squad for the remaining ODIs to be announced?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:05  

  • ravi, surely u r not suggesting that SG has been picked as a new-ball bowler ??

    By Blogger GK, at 04:06  

  • By making that statement, the team management will not be under pressure to play him in the XI...This is an insult ot SG....GC is having his way...screwing up an illustrious career big time...i'm out of this blog...Will wait for events to unfold in the first week of December...See u guys...happy blogging

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:08  

  • another bad decision.Younis Khan given lbw. 104/2

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:08  

  • Guys,
    Just thinking-- is it also a concession, the bowling allrounder tag, that is, in order to ensure he does not make it to the playing XI since he is in the squad primarily as a bowler?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:09  

  • ravi, why? u mean SG has to open the bowling if we pick 3 spinners.... if we pick 2 pacers & 2 spinners, then RPS, karthik, kaif, yuvi will be left out. if 3 pacers + 1 spiner (unlikely), then HS/AK left out & RPS in.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:09  

  • Couldn't help coming back...here is the full news item...batting allrounder and not bowling allrounder

    Ganguly included in Test squad

    Cricinfo staff

    November 23, 2005

    Sourav Ganguly has been included in the Indian squad for the first Test against Sri Lanka in Chennai. Ganguly, who was earlier stripped of the Test captaincy, was included in the team as a "batting allrounder" after a marathon meeting of the five-member selection committee.

    "We thought we'll use him as a batting allrounder in the team," said Kiran More, the chairman of selectors. "We discussed it for a long time and after deliberations we decided to have him in the team as an allrounder. It will give more comfort to the team balance."

    Mahendra Singh Dhoni has replaced Dinesh Karthik as the wicketkeeper. The selectors also picked VVS Laxman and Anil Kumble in the squad while Rudra Pratap Singh was rewarded for his consistent performances in the one-dayers.

    Zaheer Khan and Dheeraj Jadhav, who were part of the Test team in the last series against Zimbabwe, didn't find a place. "We discussed several names," said More. "RP Singh has done well in the one-dayers and we have found a few young bowlers who are promising. If they perform well in domestic cricket, they will definitely get opportunities. We missed out on Zaheer Khan also. He's performed outstandingly in domestic cricket and it was a tough call to leave him out."

    Team for first Test against Sri Lanka 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid (capt), 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS Laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 Sourav Ganguly, 8 Mohammad Kaif, 9 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk), 10 Irfan Pathan, 11 Ajit Agarkar, 12 Harbhajan Singh, 13 Murali Kartik, 14 Anil Kumble, 15 RP Singh.

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:11  

  • Ganguly included in Test squad

    Cricinfo staff

    November 23, 2005

    Sourav Ganguly has been included in the Indian squad for the first Test against Sri Lanka in Chennai. Ganguly, who was earlier stripped of the Test captaincy, was included in the team as a "batting allrounder" after a marathon meeting of the five-member selection committee.

    "We thought we'll use him as a batting allrounder in the team," said Kiran More, the chairman of selectors. "We discussed it for a long time and after deliberations we decided to have him in the team as an allrounder. It will give more comfort to the team balance."

    Mahendra Singh Dhoni has replaced Dinesh Karthik as the wicketkeeper. The selectors also picked VVS Laxman and Anil Kumble in the squad while Rudra Pratap Singh was rewarded for his consistent performances in the one-dayers.

    Zaheer Khan and Dheeraj Jadhav, who were part of the Test team in the last series against Zimbabwe, didn't find a place. "We discussed several names," said More. "RP Singh has done well in the one-dayers and we have found a few young bowlers who are promising. If they perform well in domestic cricket, they will definitely get opportunities. We missed out on Zaheer Khan also. He's performed outstandingly in domestic cricket and it was a tough call to leave him out."

    Team for first Test against Sri Lanka 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid (capt), 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS Laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 Sourav Ganguly, 8 Mohammad Kaif, 9 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk), 10 Irfan Pathan, 11 Ajit Agarkar, 12 Harbhajan Singh, 13 Murali Kartik, 14 Anil Kumble, 15 RP Singh.

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:11  

  • Wouldn't it be a good idea for Pakistan to have sent Afridi in now against the old ball and give him the license to hit (not that he needs the license)?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:11  

  • Well...what a shame.

    How dare they subject Ganguly to this? They picked him as a bowling all-rounder? How dare our country insult him to do this menial job?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:11  

  • THIS IS JUST PRETTY PATHETIC !! ITS A SHAM !! ITS A SCANDAL !!! IT IS BLOODY POLITICS AT ITS PATENT BEST .... worma do something abt it

    By Blogger GK, at 04:11  

  • nah, see cricinfo corrected it, the reporters r just biased & anti-ganguly i guess. kiran more has said batting all rounder, which makes perfect sense.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:13  

  • From Cricinfo :

    "We thought we'll use him as a batting allrounder in the team," said Kiran More, the chairman of selectors. "We discussed it for a long time and after deliberations we decided to have him in the team as an allrounder. It will give more comfort to the team balance."

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 04:13  

  • SG "batting al rounder". Team selected for 1st test only...

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:13  

  • i don't think Ganguly will accept it. It is too insulting....even batting allrounder implies he is in the team for a combination of skills.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:13  

  • sahir, no way dude, Pak don't want to lost this test at any cost !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:14  

  • yeah batting all-rounder is much better ... altho it is still an insult to the word "all-rounder"

    By Blogger GK, at 04:15  

  • SG would probably in the playing XI..as the 'fifth blower who can bat as well'.

    Nothing less then an insult though to SG. GC obviously doesnt need him as a batsman..he will let SG playout this one series and then announce his retirement 'gracefully'.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:17  

  • hey, why this entire ruckus about ganguly being in the team??? after all he is no longer the captain ... and its the team mgmt's call now whether to include him or not in the final eleven. If they do, and he clicks, then great .. coz all of us know what he is capable of and it can only benefit the team> If he does not click, then he can easily be chucked out as well - after all no captaincy now to shield obvious shortcomings. In any case the choice was between ganguly and another uncapped / untried player - the earlier we resolve whether ganguly has any further role to play in the team the better ... and isn't it better to figure this out in a home series that may not be too demanding, rather than wait for the england tour or the next overseas tour to try things out????

    By Blogger vcoolhead, at 04:17  

  • coolhead
    the ruckus becoz he was picked as an all-rounder

    By Blogger GK, at 04:19  

  • Squad for first Test against Sri Lanka 1 Virender Sehwag, 2 Gautam Gambhir, 3 Rahul Dravid (capt), 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS Laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 Sourav Ganguly, 8 Mohammad Kaif, 9 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk), 10 Irfan Pathan, 11 Ajit Agarkar, 12 Harbhajan Singh, 13 Murali Kartik, 14 Anil Kumble, 15 RP Singh.

    By Blogger Rishi, at 04:20  

  • For all we know, this is just a trick to keep the calcutta crowd silent. They might not include SG in the final eleven, if they go by the logic of GC in Zimbabwe - Playing the best 11.

    By Blogger Hemal, at 04:21  

  • well i hope SG is back with a bang. i would love to watch SG of the last 90s/early 2000 again :D

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:22  

  • anyone,
    team for the last 2 odis ?

    By Blogger GK, at 04:22  

  • this happens only in India. Picking 14/15 for a home test match !!! why not just pick 12. the selectors r just crazy.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:23  

  • gk: what do I do mate :-)...More is giving strange statements no....he shouldn't even have given out that reason...how would it have mattered? Its not as if no-one was expecting him to be picked, right?

    Anyway....made another post on this.....can move this team thread there.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:23  

  • ODI team remains the same (unchanged)

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:23  

  • gk: all rounder / non all rounder - how does it matter?? I mean he's not a new guy who's just come in ... I am sure dravid / chappel know what he is / is not capable of and will use him accordingly (if at all)

    By Blogger vcoolhead, at 04:24  

  • Guys,

    Worma has posted a new thread on the SG saga. Can we move there?

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:24  

  • Just thinking team combination wise for the first Test, wouldn't if be a good idea to go with 5 genuine bowlers now that we have Dhoni as the wicketkeeper?

    6. Dhoni
    7. Pathan
    8. Agarkar
    9. Anil Kumble
    10. Zaheer Khan
    11. Harbhajan Singh

    All the bowlers can handle the bat, so to speak.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:25  

  • ravi krishnan: mate thats done in most countries...picking more than 12. You need atleast 3-4 substitute fielders also, no? And yes in England, Australia etc some of those selected, and not making it to 12 are released if there are domestic matches going on

    By Blogger worma, at 04:26  

  • Sahir,

    Zaheer has not been selected.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:26  

  • another close decision

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:27  

  • Again @ Sahir..I agree with the 5 bowler strategy. We can have SG at No. 10 instead of ZK.

    ;-)

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:28  

  • mount cleverest,
    Yeah, I realize Zaheer has not been selected, but just proposing what I think the best combination for the first Test would be, IMO.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:28  

  • Yeah, batting allrounder makes more sense.

    But they should make it clear to him that he will be picked in the XI at times, and not at other times. We can't have him walking into the team an automatic selection. I hope he starts getting runs again, but I'm also looking forward to seeing the Bengali cinema industry's antics when YS & MK get selected before him :-)

    By Blogger BothOfYouThreeComeHere, at 04:29  

  • Pak 108/3 ...marginal call by Hair for lbw.

    previous ball, Pakistan got a second warning for running straight down the pitch. The single was cancelled and Butt had to take strike again

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:29  

  • Pakistan in a spot of bother- lead by 124 with 7 wickets in hand. Can England bowl them all out and chase 225?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:30  

  • jiet,
    The lbw decision I thought was a good one considering Salman Butt was on the back foot in the crease (i.e. not much further for the ball to travel). Struck on middle-- definitely hitting leg, at least.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:32  

  • jiet: how was that marginal...can you explain a bit?

    By Blogger worma, at 04:33  

  • Insulting, my ar$e.

    The guy should be proud to be called an allrounder, which is usually an MVP's role. And since when did being a bowling allrounder become a menial job? A good bowling allrounder is exactly what we've been looking for since Kapil left ... I'm hoping Pathan becomes that allrounder in time.

    Anyway, Ganguly might be a decent batsman when in form, but an allrounder he never has been.

    By Blogger BothOfYouThreeComeHere, at 04:35  

  • A new awakening has hit India. Till a few hours ago, we were struggling to find an alrounder that can match the best in the world. Now, we have suddenly realized that we already have a gem in our own backyard - Saurav Ganguly. In the process, definition of an alrounder has been decorated with beautiful adjectives such as "bowling alrounder", "batting alrounder" and I am sure there are more that will be invented soon. Now, when SG does well with the bat and fails with the bowl, he becomes a "batting alrounder" and if SG does well with the bowl and fails with the bat, he becomes a "bowling alrounder". If he does well both with the bat and the ball, he becomes a "genuine alrounder". And if he fails with both the bat and the ball, he becomes a "________ alrounder" (please fill in the adjective. It should be such that the use of this will ensure SGs selection). Its not too far when we'll realize that almost all the players in Indian team are some kind of alrounders!!

    Batting alrounders: Yuvi, Sehwag, SRT, SG, Raina
    Bowling alrounders: all Indian bowlers (well, don't they bat whenever they play?)

    This has suddenly put pressure on players who don't fall in either category: Dravid, Dhoni, Kaif, Rao, VVS

    "Days of having specialists are over", suggested a board official when asked about non-alrounders like Dravid, Dhoni, Kaif etc. "If we want to be no. 1 team, getting alrounders in the team is the way to go. Specialists need to reinvent themselves lest they become extinct".

    By Blogger Deepak, at 04:37  

  • Deepak,
    In the blank, how about fielding allrounder :-)

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:40  

  • But yup, good point, vcoolhead. Better to take in Ganguly over an uncapped player and see what he's capable of right away.

    And I'd like to see Salman Butt get a ton in the next test just to see what the headlines look like :-D

    By Blogger BothOfYouThreeComeHere, at 04:42  

  • sahir, worma

    replays made me feel better. My original reaction was that it was bowled around the wicket and did not turn a lot (Udal has not spun one all week) so it seemed close.

    the replay seemed to suggest that it was pretty adjacent

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:42  

  • Oh no Sahir. Now SG fans will start shouting foul because they also know that fielding's one thing dada can never do :-)

    By Blogger Deepak, at 04:47  

  • In my opinion, SG should be played in all the 3 matches against SL, no matter what. He should be given opening bowling as well. If he does well, good for India and him. If he fails, better for India. But we shouldn't delay this otherwise we'll have a case of "thorn in the flesh" for too long.

    By Blogger Deepak, at 04:52  

  • Steve Harmison misses an opportunity to dismiss Yousuf-- would really have set the cat amongst the pidgeons for the English

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:04  

  • Inzi very lucky to survive lbw appeal! Waqar does not "see any doubt why this one was not given out."

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:06  

  • lbw not given against Inzi...Inzi's luck changes

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:06  

  • Off for tea...later

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:07  

  • I Get this feeling that SG will have a relapse of Tennis Elbow before the first test and not play

    By Blogger Ravi, at 05:35  

  • Flintoff turning things around with 2 wickets in 2 balls, those of Yousuf and Afridi. England lead by 183 with 5 wickets in hand.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:10  

  • ohh...match getting interesting...would Eng look to chase it down...if they get around 250 target in 70-80 overs??

    By Blogger worma, at 06:10  

  • worma,
    I don't think there's any doubt England would back themselves in a chase as long as the required rate is less than 4.5-- simply the nature of positive cricket they are playing. Meanwhile, Inzi survives another good lbw shout from Flintoff-- that makes it two lives for him this innings!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:14  

  • Ah - that man Flintoff again.... sure England will do everything to win this test - as they are 1-0 down already. ANother tight finish in the making?

    By Blogger CricLover, at 06:16  

  • Inzi struck on the forearm by Flintoff bouncer-- a stinger!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:21  

  • sahir: yep I know the kind of positive cricket Eng is playing...its most likely....but then that would also mean risking a loss...instead of going for a draw approach. Anyway, for sure, the openers would look to win...interesting point would be how soon they look to reign in and play it out....what would be that point?

    But first...they've to take Inzy out

    By Blogger worma, at 06:24  

  • Freddie looks to be bowling his guts out once again...

    By Blogger worma, at 06:25  

  • Harmison gets Akmal caught behind!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:37  

  • Rana in

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:37  

  • Pakistan lead by 199 with 4 wickets in hand

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:38  

  • light offered and accepted

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:39  

  • another exciting match featuring Eng :-)...wonder why they keep everything for the last

    By Blogger worma, at 06:40  

  • Could tomorrow be a repeat of the Test match where England won in the dark-- if England are close to chasing the total tomorrow and refuse the light offer. Whatever-- it's certainly going to be an exciting final day-- Test cricket at its very best!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:40  

  • sahir: its definitely going to be more than interesting if Eng refuse light offer and Inzy brings on Sami and Akhtar ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:42  

  • worma.. in that case umpres will play spoil sports

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:44  

  • galli: nope the umps can't do anything except offering light to Eng

    By Blogger worma, at 06:45  

  • not anymore worma.. remember south africa december 2004 and how the umpires brought closue to the day because in thier opinion the light was not good enuf.. guess who SA was playing then?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:49  

  • galli: boss the point here is that if Eng are in a winning position and they keep refusing light offer...then Inzy can bring in those two. So, are you saying that umps can call off the play due to bad light and dangerous circumstances? Well that would be what Inzy wants, no? I don't remember the SA match you mention (was it against Eng?)What happened then?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:52  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/145302.html

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:54  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/145302.html

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:55  

  • The England captain, Michael Vaughan, capped a frustrating day in the field as the ICC fined him his entire match fee for comments made at the end of the second day of the fourth Test at Johannesburg.

    The umpires called play to an early close yesterday, citing poor light, as England's batsmen - Vaughan and Steve Harmison - were cruising in the final session. Although England were happy to carry on, South Africa's captain Graeme Smith protested to the umpires, and the players were forced to leave the field, with Vaughan expressing his dissatisfaction.

    "As players, all we ask for is consistency," Vaughan told reporters at the close of the second day. "It's probably the best light we've had all day and we're sitting down in the dressing-room."

    After this incident, Vaughan was found guilty of making inappropriate comments about the match officials by Clive Lloyd, the ICC match referee, in a hearing after play concluded on Saturday.

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:55  

  • so even without getting shoib and sami, inzy can bring closure to the days play

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:57  

  • yeah, read that. But still don't understand. I thought it was entirely upto batting side to decide on light? Do you know more about this? What reasons were given for call-off ?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:58  

  • But Smith pooped England's impromptu party, complaining repeatedly about the light until Steve Bucknor offered it to the fielding side. Smith's relief, and England's frustration at the decision, neatly reflected the shifting balance of power in this game. It looked unlikely in mid-afternoon, but Vaughan's men were left holding all the aces by the end.

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:02  

  • also, given that play hardly lasts beyond an hour after tea everyday, th umpires cannot change the precedent.. me still thinks this test is a draw...

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:04  

  • Wow...thats really news to me. What grounds did Bucknor have for this offer? Is it a new rule? Because it wasn't offered to Pak in those two earlier cases (test against Eng, ODI against Ind) when they lost in darkness

    By Blogger worma, at 07:05  

  • well the more likely result for this is still a draw, even without this light rule. Getting these last 4 wkts isnt going to be very easy for them. Anything more than 10 overs into the morning and it would be difficult to chase

    By Blogger worma, at 07:06  

  • dunno if te rules have changed worma.. but a precedent has been set...and for the ICC to now go back and allow play, esp if england is winning, will change the entire discourse from winning and losing to racism..

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:09  

  • worma,
    The fielding team can protest the light if it becomes dangerous for the fielders and they cannot pick up the ball at all. Remember end of day 2 at Headingley in 2002 when Tendulkar and Ganguly put England bowlers to the sword (I think it was like 120 runs off 11 or 12 overs-- something insane like that). The Indian batsmen had refused light, but Hussaing eventually complained the fielders couldn't pick up the ball at all. That said, the precedent is to let the players play on the last say. All incidents where the fielders complained were early in the Tests.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:09  

  • what will be interesting is if england has 30 runs to win and pak needs 3 wickets..and both sides want to play.. can the umpires then ule that the light is bad enuf for them not being in a position to adjudicate?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:11  

  • galli,
    no, if both sides want to play, they can play in pitch dark

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:13  

  • 97 off 68 balls sahir.. and the players walked off when SG was bowled by Tudor and VVS walked in. The umpires offered the light again and this time the batters accepted.
    Bucknor pulling off the players happened in 2004.

    btw here is dileep premachandran http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/226957.html

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:14  

  • during the Jo'burg test, players were pulled off on day 2 and day 4..and each pullout had a bearing on the result..ditto faisalabad.. everyday the game ends early.. but no change has been made to the start of play...wonder why?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:17  

  • galli_cricket,
    You're mistaken about VVS and Sachin accepting the light-- I was watching the game and distinctly remember them discussing going off because of Hussain's complaints. India already had a huge first innings total of around 600 and did not want to lose any overs in the game-- why light was not accepted and necer would have been accepted in that situation.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:17  

  • thx sahir, galli for those updates. Probably it would still be controlled by Eng batsmen....since they would get the offer much before the fielders. Anyway....first 10 overs tomorrow...that should be interesting.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:18  

  • galli: there was extra playing time today (to make up 6 overs)..but anyway that didnt help

    By Blogger worma, at 07:19  

  • Now that the ball is reversing at the 55-60 over stage, will England go hard after the new ball and try to get most of, if not all of, their chase out of the way in the first 50 overs before the ball begins to reverse?

    Many, many possibilities-- gotta love this game!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:21  

  • Sahir, when play ended on day 2 at Headingley,

    Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly pounded England into submission with an awe-inspiring batting display that saw India amass 584 for 4 by the end of day two at Headingley.

    VVS Laxman walked out into the middle only to return without facing a ball as the umpires called off play with the light deteriorating.

    India had amassed a massive 584 for 4, with Tendulkar undefeated on 185 and rocketing towards his first-ever overseas double ton.

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:37  

  • galli,
    your last post is completely factually correct, BUT why did the umpires call off play for bad light? Not because the batsmen wanted it or accepted the offer, but rather because they succumbed to the pressure put on by Hussain claiming his deep fielders could not pick up the ball at all.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:41  

  • Hussain had appealed for light an hour before.. however, when VVs walked out, the umpires consulted again and spoke to VVS and sachin and then marched out.
    distinctly remember the commentators ( bhogle i think) saying that the umpires have offered the light and has been taken by the new batsman..

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:44  

  • galli,
    At the time the commentators assumed the light was offerred and accepted by the batsmen, but later on in the postgame, it was revealed that unprecedently the umpires had accepted the pleas of Nasser Hussain ruling that playing on was dangerous for the fielder since the ball was flying all over the park.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 09:02  

  • Neither team will not be happy with a draw, at least their fans wouldn't be.

    I'd fancy our chances of bowling England out in 2 and half sessions, but we need to get 250 to or at least 220. Inzi, will be the focus of my special pre-epic test match finish prayer session. If God listens to what I say, there's no chane in the world England will win :)

    I'm very nervous though. Understandably.

    By Blogger Zainub, at 09:29  

  • zainub, I mentioned teams being happy with the draw 'given the events of the match'...something a subconscious level....kind of feeling of guilt...since both have made erred in..mm...'non cricketing' aspects in this match....so probaly a win would be less of a burden???...naah...that was just a thought...not sure of much substance behind that...in this professional era :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 09:40  

  • worma,
    "win would be less of a burden"

    burdensome win? Oxymoron-- give me the win everday-- the scorecard and records still display the win, not the controversy surrounding it.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 10:07  

  • really sahir??? win that any cost, is that it.:)

    By Blogger krish, at 22:06  

  • really sahir??? win that any cost, is that it.:)

    By Blogger krish, at 22:06  

  • Krish,
    Pretty much, at any cost

    By Blogger Sahir, at 00:20  

  • Sahir: Checked out your profile, you are a lawyer, no wonder, that explains it.:)

    By Blogger krish, at 00:30  

  • Krish,
    That's rather insulting-- I would never compromise my professional and ethical duty as a lawyer, but I will fight as hard as I possibly can for my client. What people don't seem to understand is that sometimes the law or rules are not quite as black and white as some make them seem-- there's a lot of gray area. That said, cricket and law-- not really comparable. In law, people's livelihoods are at stake, cricket is a game. By winning at any cost, the sort of things I mean is that it is the job of the players to do whatever they can to win, including gaining an advantage wherever possible, BUT it is the job of the umpires and match referee to police the players and try and make sure there are no unfair advantages. I think an appropriate analogy is a question lawyers are often asked-- how can you defend someone you think is guilty? First off, I'm yet to meet or hear about a client that is completely innocent or completely guilty-- just varying degrees of guilt or innocence. I answer that it is my job to provide the most effective representation possible because we live in a world that recognizes an adversarial system. By being a strong advocate for my client, I make sure the opposing counsel meets their burden of proof (e.g. beyond a reasonable doubt). If the opposing counsel has the evidence to meet this burden, then I will lose despite my best efforts. However, it would be highly unprofessional, and in my opinion unethical, for me not to put up the best fight possible to make things difficult for opposing counsel, regardless of what I personally feel about the supposed guilt or innocence of my client.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 00:42  

  • Sorry Sahir, it was a comment made in a slighter vien, but I understand you being sensitive to that. I take it back.
    But about winning at any cost, I meant Afridi's action and to some extent Inzaman's run-out.
    I wouldn't stand by that, but you did seem not to have any qualms about that when you said win at any cost.
    Cricket is not the same as law for you, but we would expect it to be for a cricketer right, as it is his profession. Anyway sorry again.

    By Blogger krish, at 00:47  

  • So just to carry on the analagous thought:
    If a batsman does not walk when he knows he has nicked it, is that cheating? When he begins to rub his elbow after it hit the glove, is it cheating? I don't think so-- that's gamesmanship; tactics. It's the umpires job to make the decision, just like it's a jury or judge's job to make the decision-- not mine as counsel.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 00:47  

  • I meant lighter vein.

    By Blogger krish, at 00:48  

  • Krish,
    I agree that Afridi's actions were deplorable, but they were appropriately dealt with. As far as Inzi's runout is concerned, the umpires are really the one to blame.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 00:49  

  • The only reason i would say it is ok to not walk when you have nicked if the umpire says not out is because sometimes the umpire calls it out when you haven't even nicked the ball, so I will let him decide, because there are many a times when he is wrong but we expect the players to walk out without a slightest protest.
    But I draw the line there, sledging to some extent can be cosidered gamesmanship but rubbing the elbow after it hit the glove thus misleading the umpire in my book is cheating, trampling the pitch surely is.

    By Blogger krish, at 00:57  

  • Inzi dropped! An absolute sitter dropped by Strauss!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 00:59  

  • Krish,
    If you think rubbing your elbow in the scenario provided is cheating since it is misleading the umpire, what about a bowler appealing when he knows its not out? You drew a line that if the umpire can sometimes make the incorrect decision, it gives the batsman the right to not walk. Well, sometimes the umpire may think a player has gloved it when it came of the forearm or elbow, right? I don't believe in the whole misleading the umpire. In life, we all make the best case we possibly can for ourselves. If your potential employer asks you about your weaknesses during an interview, are you ruthlessly honest? No-- you present the best view possible, a somewhat rosy picture, without outright lying. Its the job of others to assess the situation.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 01:06  

  • Sami gone! Can England give themselves an opportunity; would love to see an exciting chase here.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 01:12  

  • Well Sahir, I am ruthlessly honest about my weakness to my potential empolyer or anyone in any situation for that matter, especially if I believe my weakness is definitely going to impact my future position. If I strongly believe that I can overcome my weakness, I will present the best picture, but if in my mind I believe that I cannot overcome it, then I will never mislead them. Well thats me. This attitude hasn't given me abundant success but I am forever at peace. So I would say if a bowler is even just 1% sure it is out, it is fine to appeal, but if he is 100% sure that it is not out, well I can only speak for myself, I wouldn't appeal. Like I said I might not be very successful in life, but hey I am never a "win at any cost" person, so i don't expect success that way.

    By Blogger krish, at 01:17  

  • Sahir , its just you and me in this thread I suuppose. I see Worma has opened a new thread to discuss the Pak-Eng match, I see a few folks there.

    By Blogger krish, at 01:21  

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