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Monday, November 07, 2005

So, what's new?(-worma)

First, here's the new squad for the last 2 matches.

Second, a question for you all. Does building bench strength mean building a pool of only 15 players? If not, then doesn't it mean that the process would involve shunting players from that 'current utilization' pool of 15 to make way for new? Then, what is the hue and cry over 'dropping' Rao and JP, as I could see in the squad related discussions already happening here.

Even cricinfo has this opinion, in its article about the new squad:
The omission of Rao and Yadav is surprising from a few angles but More, as well and Greg Chappell and Rahul Dravid earlier, insisted that they are trying to try out as many players as possible. However, as Ganguly has found out recently, both may find it tough to get back into the side if the replacements strike gold.
Well, atleast I don't see this as the end of the road for Rao and JP. Neither do I think they have been 'dropped' as non-performers. But, ofcourse, we can wait and see.

But more about the ones picked up. Kaif was anyway a surety. VRV is the surprise inclusion. And a welcome surprise, no doubt. With Santh already in the fast-ish category, and even RP bowling around 140 kph mark, its exciting to think we may have a battery of quicks to choose from, in the near future (yes..yes..I'm aware they can go the Zak way..and slow down due to various reasons..but one can still wish...no?)

But about VRV himself, it was probably not a good idea to mention him as an allrounder, as done in the rediff report linked above. Here are his first class stats for this season. Clearly that of a bowler who can bat. And calling him an allrounder may again raise expectations. Unless thats what the team management see in him (and yes, he has indeed been chosen in place of JP, so who knows!).

But more about his primary skill i.e. Bowling. Fast. Here's a wonderful profile by Siddhartha Vaidyanathan, done some time back on cricinfo.
Put Parthiv Patel's face on Zaheer Khan's body, add a couple of more inches in height, lengthen the run-up by a few yards, run in with a rhythmic action that gathers momentum with every step - hands moving like efficient pistons - deliver with an open-chested action and let out a mighty groan when the ball whizzes past the batsman's shoulder and you have done a perfect imitation of VRV's routine.


  • wow ! then definitely VRV is someone to look out for if that description is true.

    By Blogger GK, at 03:00  

  • This guy screams Shoaib Akhtar all over, sans the attitude.

    I see nothing but physical breakdown in the future unless he mellows. But don't get me wrong, the aggro is awesome. He also reminds me a tad of Craig McDermott.

    By Blogger TFFY, at 03:12  

  • Border-Gavaskar scholarship recipients (for visiting the Australian Academy)

    Mohammad Kaif, Sridaran Sriram, Shiv Sunder Das
    Deepak Chougule, Vinayak Mane, Parthiv Patel
    Lakshimiphathy Balaji, Gautam Gambir, Thilak Naidu
    Raiphi Vincent Gomez, Udit Brijesh Patel, Siddharth Trivedi
    Shikhar Dhawan, Suresh Raina, Yalaka Venugopala Rao.
    Vikram Rajvir Singh, Rudra Pratap Singh, Cheteshwar Pujara

    BIG QUESTION: whatever happened to the class of 2003????

    By Blogger TFFY, at 03:16  

  • tffy...in the class of 2003, udit patel is the worst.He prolly was picked for the academy bcos of him being Brijesh Patel's son...nothing more nothing less

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:28  

  • Repeat ---
    Poor JPY and the concept of allrounder/bits and pieces in india's scheme of things...
    If u remember i was teh one who repeatedly talked about how JPy is wasted or not utilized by this team management.
    JPy is a batting allrounder and he was not given chances to bat ... he was totally given chances 3 times out of his 10 odd innings ...
    Everybody talks abt rao but india is too gud in batting...but noone puts their hand up for allrounder... and we messed this guy ...
    I hope Mayur and worma remember the heated conversation we ahd before ... on JPY . Is it age????????

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:29  

  • never heard of the likes of deepak chougue and gomez

    By Blogger GK, at 03:31  

  • Worma...The selectors have not been fair to SG. And to top it all here is More's take on why he included Kaif
    "Selection committee chairman Kiran More said quite a few other names were discussed, though he was unwilling to disclose those names. Asked for the reasons behind the exclusion of Venu he replied, “It was a tough call. He has been doing well, but Kaif was injured during the Challenger Series and is fit again. He has done great service for the team for several years now, and we felt he should be back."

    If great service can be attributed to Kaif, SG is miles ahead on that count..Kiran More should be given a lesson in communicating sensible stuff

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:31  

  • it is a tragedy of modern day cricket that people like JPY are alleged to be all-rounders

    By Blogger GK, at 03:34  

  • Jpy Yadavs dropping is a little sad.However I think that M.S Dhoni can increase his effectiveness by standing up to JPY.Also it would be very interesting to see if R.S Sodhi can manage a come back.His bowling if he improves can be handy and then India truly has come options.Also he is fab fielder and can truly make a difference.A word of praise for the fielding of Indian team.They were truly outstanding and havent such high standards for a long time.If some of them can improve their throwing form deep we truly are on course.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 03:37  

  • @bulchee
    jpy, then rs sodhi ... what do u want to do ? tun this into a team of gavin larsens and chris harrises ??

    rs sodhi for me is a brillaint fielder who can bat and bowl a bit

    By Blogger GK, at 03:42  

  • gk,
    HAve u seen JPY bat????
    How can u make such decisions without even seeing him bat ....
    or do u know of any other good allrounders or bits and pieces cricketers which others don't know

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:46  

  • yes, i have seen him bat. he is a fair bat. i do not know any good all-rounder in india. i know of lots of bits and pieces players and i am not a big supporter of them - for me one in a team is just about OK - more than one and you are dead

    By Blogger GK, at 03:49  

  • Ravi ya .. i agree with u .. More has to communicate better
    Actually kaif was being persisted for 4 years for 1 innings and now he has scored in the last series(Kaif was succesful only in 2 out of 10 matches and was never spectacular in ODI's wjetjer in technique or shot selection)
    Kaif can never be a rahul dravid nor be a dhoni. If we leave out fielding ... i definitely don;t feel kaif is eligible for ODi selection. (But i know i will be ina minority here)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:50  

  • gk,
    Why did we select JPy then???
    Jpy is a batting allrounder rite ... HE bowled well ..
    But have we tested him in his strength??
    Why waste 10 ODi's on somebody u don;t have belief in .. We could have sacked after the Srilankan tour(previous) itself.

    My point is JPY can do what kaif does??? - Do u agree or not ....

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:52  

  • @rajesh
    afaik kaif scored in 3 out of 5 matches in zim and 2 out of 3 against nz. he scored 102* and 93* i fail to see how you say he is not a valuable player

    By Blogger GK, at 03:53  

  • gk,
    Who is teh one bits and pieces cricketer in our team ....
    Can't we have even one cricketer ... anybody not just JPy ..
    I need a combination like this

    5 bat + 4 bowler + 1 wkbat + 1 allrounder
    supersub - batsman or bowlere depends

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:54  

  • rajesh,
    JPY will figure in the plans in the future. for me has done a decent job in batting and bowling but nothing great.

    and no i dont see him being able to do a kaif. kaif has had several match-winning efforts in crucial matches

    By Blogger GK, at 03:55  

  • gk,
    Regarding kaif ... leave teh zim series .. pls ...
    KAif has scored only in taht series.If my memory server me correct, he was gud in 4 series out of 30 odd he has played
    Now say what do u see in kaif which u don;t see in jpy except fielding and perhaps age

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:56  

  • JPYs omission needs to be taken in the right spirit .. it is not as if he has been dropped for poor performances ... we are simply exploring other options

    By Blogger GK, at 03:57  

  • Gk,
    pls tell me teh match winning innings ...
    natwest, 1 match in pakistan, 1 match in srilanka ...
    Any other ....
    Everybody says this word .. gk pls convince me when and what and wherte did he do that

    I remmebre him being useless for a continous 35 one dayers ...

    1.How many matches has he goofed up ...
    2.Does he have power shots??
    3.Where are u going to keep him (which slot)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 03:59  

  • when has kaif really not done well ? there was one bad patch before the WC thats all. otherwise he has done the best in whatever chances hes got

    By Blogger GK, at 04:00  

  • For the time being it doesn't seem like dropping or ending a road for any of these players....its just since they have already won the series they just want to try out everyone..even if it comes at the cost of 4-3 result :-)

    My point..in all this experiments..what all is happening to Sehwag and Yuvraj ??? Here Gambhir has come with a bang and Sehwag even after changing his game is not able to deliever...and what about Yuvi? for those who watched yesterday's game know that he is not at all in form and touch...
    I still feel that these players have no fear of being dropped out...

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 04:01  

  • GK,
    I too am not a great fan of gk, but my point is management goofed him ...
    He was not tried at his strength - the batting .. I had a fight with mayur,worma also regardingh teh same stuff.. Everybody told me that management wants to slowly build Jpy in international stage.
    COmeon that guy is already 30 .. he is not young.. He can be useful only till 2007 world cup ..
    Try him for 5 to 10 matches in his primary strength.. give him responsibility ... see if he is gud .. if not dump him .. no problem ..
    But management have treated him shabbily ... No responsibility ,No belief in his abilities compared to pathan ..
    but don't carry him as a journey man ...

    If u are JPy .. won't u cry for the treatment meted out to u ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:03  

  • Gk,
    Relaly u have selective amnesia .. when thinking about kaif .. pls go thru his records and still if u feel kaif has done well .. we can argue ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:05  

  • well are 5 matchwinning inns in 3 yrs not a fair effort for one coming down the order ?

    yes he does have shots all round - remember the pulls and hooks in the natwest final, the off-drives in zim and the great shots he played against pak in the Wc in that partnerhip with SRT ?

    i see him doing a double role in this side
    1. bat at 3 and bat thru to make a century at a strike rate of 90
    2. bat at 6-7, guide the tail or provide support to the powerhitters like yuvi and finsh the job

    By Blogger GK, at 04:05  

  • but it is not down to a choice between kaif and jpy anyway !! and thank god it is not !! kaif is in an altogether different class

    By Blogger GK, at 04:07  

  • abhay,
    yuvi was really not in form .. i watched last odi and he really scratched for runs ..
    almost every ball was like a grenade to him ..
    Again a goofup form management .. yuvi is not suited for a place higher than no 5 .
    Yuvi is suited only after 25 overs ...(least) and murali shld not be bowling ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:07  

  • GK!
    Your point number 2 mentioning Yuvi's name? I wonder we need to change that name very soon. He is not doing any good to Indian team here...its just the team is playing well so his sins are hidden..else batting wise he has gone down few levels...his fielding among the new players doen't look that extra..he looks the same like others....

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 04:09  

  • kaif and class - u shld be kidding gk ...
    Tell me .. is he in teh class of rahul dravid ..

    If kaif can score at a strike rate of 90 coming in at No 3 and an average of 40 ( From now on only for a period of 10 matches).. I am all for kaif .. No problem .. because he is a good fielder and oDi needs him ...

    But for that to happen ,
    1. kaif shld improve his technique a lot better,
    2. add lot of shots to his rep

    Do u really want a kaif to be in 10th over in Indian pitches ..
    I won't even want Rd to be before 20th over .. (mind u i am a RD fan)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:11  

  • Rajesh, I dont think currently he is suitable even for last 25 overs..as he is just not in the form and his one in 10-12 matches inings is costing us big time..
    I was hopping for he being rested for last 2 matches..but seems selectors still think he is a promising emerging player...He has played so many matches still he is emerging player....

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 04:12  

  • @rajesh
    no kaif is not in the class of RD. there are very few players in the world in that class. but he is not in the class of JPY either. he is somewhere in the middle.

    By Blogger GK, at 04:13  

  • Gk,
    I have not herad from u ... on what u feel about teh goofup the team management did with respect to JPy ..

    I feel everybody concentrates only on important players and are leaving out the 10th and 11th players selected for ODi ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:13  

  • u mean u wanted to see JPY bat at 3 ? 4 ? 5 ? where ?

    By Blogger GK, at 04:16  

  • ravi1010 or whoever said the following: "If great service can be attributed to Kaif, SG is miles ahead on that count..Kiran More should be given a lesson in communicating sensible stuff"

    applying your same logic, Sunny Gavaskar should also be selected to play the Lankans..he is light years ahead of Kaif in terms of records.

    ravi..let's build statues for Sourav for all he has done for this team in the past..but let's not bring him into the current team based on some past records.

    By Blogger diehard, at 04:17  

  • How are u so sure that JPy cannot do what kaif has done .. That is what i am not able to understand..
    I don;t see any role for kaif in teh team .. May be he could be in teh 15 member team .
    If RD gets injured ,kaif can come in .. and he will be a substitute fielder till then

    My team for World cup 2007 from what we have seen so far

    1. SG,VS,GG (openers - Any 2 )
    2. ST - 1 drop
    3. IP, AA, - 2 drop
    4. RD - 3 drop
    5. ys/sr - 4 drop
    6. md - 5 drop
    7. IP, AA, - 6 drop
    8. HS - 7 drop
    8. SS,VRV - 2 fast bowlers
    9. JPY/kaif as supersub

    Now we have
    5 full time bowlers(4 fast, 1 spin)
    5 batsman + 1 WK -
    2 hitters(VS,MD),
    3 stroke player(ST,SG,YS),
    1 defensive (rahul)
    1 bits and piece like JPy

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:27  

  • GK,
    try jpy out in no 3,5,6 just like we did for rao and raina. To me he is also a batsman who could bowl a bit..JPy is a decent fielder better than seniors.
    1. Do u want a journeyman??
    2. Surely i will never include JPy as a bowler in my team .. will u???
    3. Why did we select JPy ...?? Any guesses
    4. What did u see in him till now ... A potential for world cup .. IF so what did u see in him .. He cannot be in even zim team for his bowling rite ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:31  

  • somehow JPY does not inspire enuf confidence as a batter. i saw him bat in zim in 2 inns, in this series in 1 inns and an inns in the challenger ... kaif to me *looks* more a batsman.

    By Blogger GK, at 04:32  

  • @rajesh,

    u don't understand cricket...otherwise you would not have talked against kaif at least at this moment...he did well in Aus test match...pak series...Srilanka triseries(avg = 45)...Zim(avg 92) and his fielding is superb, his attitute and hardwork is praised by everybody...and remember whenever he has been sent at the top of the order, he has done well...if you don't remember past, just look at last 1 year performance by him...if you still want to talk against him, you should have waited for the time when he gets out of form but not now...or you should have talked these things one year back...From Aus test series onwards he is doing so well that he has become obvious selection in the team(even when SG used to prefer out of form Yuvraj against kaif).

    By Blogger Shivam, at 04:32  

  • Age, frielding, attitude...what elese do you want from him???

    By Blogger Shivam, at 04:33  

  • Kaif...
    Gk said "well are 5 matchwinning inns in 3 yrs not a fair effort for one coming down the order ? "

    Definetely NO ...
    I will enver give 3 to 4 years for a guy .. Taht means 1 match winning innings per year ... Is he a bowler or batsman ..??
    How many times has he failed .. Just see his records ...
    I definetely will go for badani instead of kaif ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:34  

  • i for one never understood why jpy was selected in the first place. i agree he deserves more chances with the bat and i believe he will get them - but i dont have too high hopes for him - i wud be happy to be proven wrong of course

    By Blogger GK, at 04:34  

  • shivam
    again .. i have already said that zim series - kaif has done well ... I am not against kaif .. ok have this in mind .. But i feel this is the pay back time for kaif .. Huge time invested in kaif ...

    and we are talking abt ODi's here ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:36  

  • shivam
    i agree. there was a point in 2003 when i questioned kaifs place in the side but since 2004 he has really done VERY WELL

    if it comes to that im willing to do an inns by inns arguement abt kaif

    By Blogger GK, at 04:37  

  • Shivam,
    again do u want kaif at No 3 ....??????????????????
    do u feel
    his strike rate will be 90
    his technique is like rahul ..

    Come on guys we don't need people at the top....
    Top is already overcrowded ....
    We need finishers now ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:37  

  • Gk,
    if u say .. JPY should not have been selected at all .. tehn fine .. i am with u ..
    I was irritated with teh management not using their resources properly
    Resource management - poor ( I know everybosy will say GC hasbeen too gud etc .. but he was poor with respect to JPy)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:39  

  • The style of batting of kaif and his records also, always said that he should be sent up the order...but he was always sent at number 7...still whenever sent up the order he did well...this is not the time to blame him...He played well against SL in SL and well against firing NZ also in the Aus test...you can't expect more than this from a batsman coming at number 7(whose technique asks him to come at number 5 and less) when the team itself is going through a lean patch

    By Blogger Shivam, at 04:40  

  • @rajesh
    pray tell me who else is a better #3 and proven himself there than kaif ? there was VVS but he is out of favor. kaif to me shud be the default #3 - unless the situation demands like in jaipur

    also if you want a finisher kaif can do that job as well as he has in the past

    By Blogger GK, at 04:40  

  • rajesh
    yes maybe GC didnt use JPY properly but that cud also be becoz he didnt see too much in him. or maybe he is waiting to use him properly later

    By Blogger GK, at 04:42  

  • gk,
    . If u say kaif was pampered till 2004 beg and after 2004 kaif has improved ... ya agreed. He has doen well in the last zim series Now we cannot drop kaif .. ok

    But do u want kaif in our ODI setup for WC 2007.
    I don't want more than one accumulator for teh simple reason that 30 overs have to be used by hitters and strokeplayers.
    one anchor is enough.
    If i get another anchor in bits and piece cricket why doi i need a specialist batsman???????????

    I have not seen kaif play well against quality bowling ....
    I agree taht kaif plays coverdrive and pulls better ... and runs between wickets btfully. But to me he has not increased his shots ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:42  

  • Kaif was never a finisher ... NBever can be underlined and capitalised...

    Gk - tell me how many matches he won or set up a huge total ..
    Comeon gk .. he does not ahve teh shots ... If he has he will be in teh team beacuse he has other good qualities like

    1. Running between wickets
    2. Good fielding
    3. Temperament etc

    No 3 slot to me will go to SRT ..
    Opening will be SG(!!!) or GG or VS
    No 4 - Experimentation
    no 5 - RD

    GG is surely too gud a bat at ODI level .. Is till have my reservations against him in tets level (FOr otehrs might be opposite)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:45  

  • @rajesh,

    this is another issue that at this time, when we are thinking intirely differently, we need kaif or not...but blaming him for his performance is not good....yes the way we are playing we need finisher and kaif is not a finisher...but when you need someone at number 4 or 5, he is one of the best choice available...technically being as good as RD or SRT is not possible for everybody but you you talk about anybody just after these two, in terms of technique, you have to name kaif...don't talk about laxman as at the age of 31 we can't expect him to change himself as RD did, he is not an ODI player, just bcoz of his running between wicket and enthusiasm...definitely if his age would have been below 25 I would have gone for his technique, which is no doubt best, but at this moment in ODI, laxman stands nowhere...so now we are left with kaif, who comes just after SRT and RD in terms of technuque...technically sound+fielding+enthusiasm...fair enough to become an obvisous choice...yes depending on the situation use him

    By Blogger Shivam, at 04:47  

  • If we get a guy who is as gud in batting as VVS and who is as gud as kaif in fielding and running between wickets...
    VVS + KAif = NO 3 .. so i opted for SRT (haha)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:47  

  • rajesh
    i dont say he was pampered till 2004 - i say he was a newcomer and had his periods of ups and downs, played a couple of great inns then went thru a slump, then got injured, then came back in pak and has been pretty consistent since.

    on present form i do see him in the side for WC 2007 as a #3 - of course this may change depending on various factors but he shud remain in the fray.

    thirdly, i dont believe in the concept of accumulators and having just 1 in the side etc. i believe evryone has to do a job for the team and score at a certain rate - whether they prefer to do it batting thru, or playing a cameo , in ones and twos or in boundaries is a matter of strategy

    By Blogger GK, at 04:49  

  • shivam,
    gud .. u atleast agree with me that kaif cannot be a finisher .. and we need only finisherts .. so why do we need kaif in teh Indian Team???
    U also agree that he is not an automatic choice for teh team ... whereas he is gud in what he does ..
    I am not against kaif .. but can't the management tell kaif that we require kaif to increase his strike rate more than what he does now .. (pls don't point his current strike rate of 73 odd .. which is very worse as he comes at no 7)

    No 3 needs a unique technique .. u ether can be a blaster or have a good technique .. i don't see either in kaif ..
    If he improves .. tehn fine kaif can be in ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:52  

  • i dont think u r going to see SRT as a #3 long-term

    By Blogger GK, at 04:53  

  • GK,
    there comes teh ability part ....
    kaif,rao etc cannot become VS ...
    As i already said ,
    If kaif scores at a strike rate of 100 in powerplay ... include him .. no problem
    If kaif scores at a strike rate of 90 after powerplay ... include him .. no problem

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:54  

  • GC goofed up big toime if whatever u said are true
    "yes maybe GC didnt use JPY properly but that cud also be becoz he didnt see too much in him. or maybe he is waiting to use him properly later "

    Drop JPy .. don't include him .. But they included him for 10 ODi's and did not give hima chance to bat .. stupidity to say teh elast ..
    I am all for experiments .. somehow they missed JPy ..

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:56  

  • rajesh
    kaif has finished inns well when he was at #7.

    now he bats at 3 and still he has managed to finish a couple of inns in zimbabwe !!

    if by finisher u mean a blaster then kaif is not, but if u r looking for a bevanesque finisher then definitely he is very much in

    By Blogger GK, at 04:56  

  • rajesh
    JPY *might* get another chance later - if the selectors think he has something to offer

    By Blogger GK, at 04:58  

  • GK,
    GG seems to be gud ..
    I luv to have SG of old (pre 2003) back as a player ... and do what rahul did for him under his captaincy ...
    So kaif and rao for me are not in teh team ..
    I want 5 full time bowlers in my 12 ... so tehre cna be only 1 accumulator and taht is rahul.
    IF kaif can be 1 of teh other 4 batsman .. then take kaif in ..

    Is kaif among teh first 4 ODI batsman in India currently?????????????

    By Blogger rajesh, at 04:59  

  • If kaif does that part then Why do we need rahul GK??????

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:00  

  • rajesh
    u say now is the time for kaif to pay back for all the trust shown in him !! so surely if you expect that you must include him in the side

    another distinguishing quality of kaif's cricket is his excellent temperament

    By Blogger GK, at 05:00  

  • Gk,
    My irritation is we had only 1 so called allrounder(!!!!) and we treat him like shit ..
    how will teh young generation aspire for allrounders or as bits and pieces cricketer

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:01  

  • for me with th exception of SRT and RD no one has *booked* their spots - all are in contention and so is kaif !!

    as for ur other question, it is kaifs job to bat at 3, be aggressive at the start and then settle down. it is rahuls job to bat at 4 to anchor the inns - if kaif falls early in trying to be aggressive RD should take greater responsibility. thats how i read it for now !

    By Blogger GK, at 05:04  

  • as i said earlier it is an insult to the word "all-rounder" to be associated with the likes of JPY. as for bits and pieces cricketers i would hardly think any youngster in his right mind should aspire to be one. if you wanna be an all-rounder you better be andrew flitoff material OR have one strong suit and one useful one like sachin, sehwag, ganguly, yuvraj etx

    By Blogger GK, at 05:07  

  • if ur openers fall early, then we will have rahul and kaif using teh powerplay ...
    not a gud idea gk .... and that too againstquality opposition

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:08  

  • GK,
    Do u agree with me that we need to go with just 5 batsman + 1Wk + 5 bowlers and 1 supersub as batsman or bits and piece ..
    If so tell me whether Rao or kaif fits in the top 5 ODi batsman ..

    I will experiment with teh following while having teh following 4 - SG,VS,SRT,RD
    So only one position remains vacant
    I will try GG,vidyut,uthappa or any attacking batsman

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:11  

  • mmm ... maybe u have a point there ... altho i do think in that situation ensuring that we play out 50 overs shud be the top priority than maximizing the powerplay
    besides that is whn the flexibility of pathan/dhoni can come into the pic

    By Blogger GK, at 05:15  

  • GK,
    i am not too ambitious .. to me a abdul razaq or a ravi shastri or a manoj prabakar or even a azhar mahmood or jsutin kemp are alrounders ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:15  

  • yeah .. but i can asssur yadav does not measure up to any of these in even 1 suite.

    about kaif for the WC - as i said no one is as yet assured of a spot .. so id se how kaif goes for a few matches now .. if he caries on the good form from zim then it is excellent

    By Blogger GK, at 05:21  

  • So what is ur rating of our batsmans ...

    My other wierd ideas are
    1. we need to use 4 fast bowlers and 1 quality spinner
    2. Experimentation to be done at NO 4 rather than at no 3
    3. Always Use one bowler at No 4 - All our bowlers are aggressive batsmans like IP,AA,HS and even VRV
    4. Dhoni alwasy has to come at the latter stage

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:22  

  • i dont have ratings for our batsmen becoz i believe each has to do a diferent job.

    By Blogger GK, at 05:25  

  • Gk,
    ya .. even i too think that JPy might not be that gud .. but if they have tried him out ... tehn we don't need to waste our precious matches again for seeing him rite ...
    I like this australian policy of .. onece u are in , u get some matches .. if u out yes u are completely out unless u come up with breathtaking effoirt

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:29  

  • Anyway now we can see VRV in action ...
    VRV and santh bowling full steam will be gud ..
    But i have my reservations abt RP singh .. He was not that quick even thg he also clocked 140

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:32  

  • yup
    agee with u on RPS

    By Blogger GK, at 05:47  

  • sorry for late answers (went to some meeting, expecting the regular 4-5 comments when back...and WOW...this place is buzzing!)

    rajesh: yes sure I remember about JP discussion...and yes he hasnt been given enough chances yet esp in batting (I think he did what was expected of him in bowling). There was one chance at number 3 in this series....anyway, I hope more's coming. We cant forget his cool-headed batting in that Nz run-chase in Zim series.

    ravi1010: well unfair to SG we all know (atleast the ones who dont blindly bash SG). But thats got nothing to do with Kaif's comeback (or Nehra's or Kumble's). Kaif went out due to injury, returns on proving fitness. As simple. SG went out on injury, but their was a 'tacit' understanding that he needs to prove fitness *and* form and I think had he not went out on injury, he would still have been dropped had he completely failed in Challenger. Although if he had a Duleep like 100 in Challenger, he would have been there in team and ofcourse his performance monitored again. His ODI captaincy was always going to go, and I said this as far back as the review committee meeting results.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:50  

  • Now that we have drafted in VRV, I hope he is told to bowl flat out-- as fast as he can without currently worrying as much about control. Sometimes I worry when a fast bowler is intorduced in one-day cricket first, they are told to give up their extra yard in pace to gain more control. That really is the wrong way to go about it-- control should be gained over time in ADDITION to pace, not by sacrificing pace. Considering VRV was the quickest on view during the Challenger Trophy, in which Sree Santh (143 km/h) was present, I wonder if the record for the fastest delivery ever bowled by an Indian may fall. I believe both Ashish Nehra and Javagal Srinath have clocked just over 149 km/h. Of course, the record can only take into account palyers since the radar gun was invented-- old supposedly fast bowlers like Mohammad Nissar may very well have bowled quicker.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:56  

  • Worma ,
    Welcoem back ... As i already told u , the smae thing hppnd in case of droping jpy ... Goof up on part of RD and GC ...
    But i expected it ....

    Do everybody believe in the speed gun used yesterday????
    I am not able to belive it fully ... RP singh in zim can't bowl more than 130 kph ,how can he bowl consistently in 140's ...
    Am i teh only one having this doubt ..?
    Sree shanth - i agree he is fast

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:13  

  • hmm .. somehow our bowling attack lacked teeth yesterday ... or maybe it was just the wicket ... but other than agarkar the others never looked likely to take a wicket

    By Blogger GK, at 06:16  

  • i mean after the ball got slightly old

    By Blogger GK, at 06:18  

  • Worma,
    regarding SG ,kaif etc ..
    SG has to be in the Indian team for WC 2007. But he is a proven perfomer, so it is ok even if he comes after 6 months .. no problem .. we could experiment now ..
    My perception is kaif of today need not be in the indian ODi setup unless he improves his trike rate and technique stuff. (i know worma .. u won't agree .. but still) . One anchor is enough and taht is rahul.
    We need to go with 5 full time bowlers ....

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:19  

  • that is rite .. gk .. that's why we need to play with 5 bowlers ..
    Why can't we do that experimentation ... of playing with 5 bowlers .. atleast when we win ....

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:22  

  • rajesh
    abt yesterday ... with as you call "just 1 anchor" we found it so difficult to bat out 50 overs !! if kaif had been there to give RD support we cud have easily mad 310-320

    By Blogger GK, at 06:23  

  • 5 bowlers can flop big time like it did in the indianoil final

    By Blogger GK, at 06:25  

  • rajesh: thats what I am trying to say....I dont think JP has been 'dropped' as a non-performer...and its not a goof-up.

    am not sure...I also had doubts abt speed gun...but JP showed up as 120...sounds ok?...so maybe others were also fast?

    regarding Kaif and RD as two anchors...well most teams have more than one....but they shouldnt be slowing down the game...as I know Kaif isn't a single gear player (despite not being a slogger) and even RD has shown recently (and around the WC) to be able to up the rate a bit.

    SG..yes if he plays well in his future chances (which he is sure to get..even if in tests) then I dont think he can be kept out of ODI setup..no matter what the team management 'plans' are. WC07 is far away, though.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:29  

  • we did play with 5 bowlers (in the XII) in this series a couple of times atleast...and it is the right way to go. But, I guess, nothing can be a written rule...that we necessarily *have* to go with 5. Depends on situation....form of part timers etc etc...like this last match we were short of experience so went with extra batsman (and also Veeru was doing well in earlier match).

    By Blogger worma, at 06:31  

  • rajesh,
    About the speed gun yesterday:
    I have to admit I was shocked when I saw RP Singh consistently around 140 km/h considering, as you said, in Zimbabwe, he rarely touched 130 km/h. However, Sree Santh, who appears quick, was still clocking around what he did previously-- low 140s. I suppose RP Singh was just bowling well within himself in Zimbabwe in order to maximize the amount of swing that was available in conditions over there. Not to metion, all you had to do as a left-armer against the Zimbabwe batsmen was to swing it back into the right-handed batsman's pads and wickets would come a plenty. Slightly different cup of tea on subcontinental wickets against quality batsmen...

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:31  

  • worma
    did u SEE yesterdays match ? if u did and if u saw rahuls inns u wud stop making petty allegations of him being an insufficient ODI player

    and i like the confidence u hav in SG being able to make it back - i dont share it but i like it !!!

    By Blogger GK, at 06:33  

  • sahir
    i agree .. in zim rps did look very much a trundler ... yesterday he cranked it up a bit .. still not too sure abt him tho ...hold more faith in sreesanth

    By Blogger GK, at 06:36  

  • gk: u got me wrong...was actually praising RD!

    By Blogger worma, at 06:38  

  • worma

    "even RD has shown recently (and around the WC) to be able to up the rate a bit. "

    i thot that was a bit condescending ... maybe i got it wrong

    By Blogger GK, at 06:40  

  • hey...we know RD had problems in ODI..he was dropped at a point(and rightly)..and around the buildup of WC he could again have lost his place...but because of his keeping...and also because he improved his batting around the same time...he went on to become a good fit in the setup. Recently he had dipped a bit (ofcourse still better than many others in consistency of runs)....and in past few matches his old habit of not being able to find gaps was showing again (this problem will occur with him whenever he is out of form/focus...but that for another day)..but he once again came out of it very well. As of now...he is a v good fit in the team.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:44  

  • Worma,
    From my side too ... u equate RD with kaif .. that is stretching it too much ....
    Kaif .. When has he shown such a multi dimensional talent to u worma ..
    RD is very gud even in rotating singles compared to kaif .. Don't get fooled by kaif's strike rate ... he comes at no 7 ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:47  

  • worma
    he was dropped 7 years ago and till this date i am very much aghast at that decision

    never again was there any dount about his odi capabilities. all this stuff about him having to keep wickets to retain his place in the side is nothing but BS. he kept wickets to allow the team an extra option.

    yes - he has had a couple of lean trots now and then but he is way better than most

    By Blogger GK, at 06:49  

  • Worma,
    Sorry to say this worma ... But if u have the same standards as u apply for RD on kaif , kaif will never be in the inidan ODI team ...... at all ..
    He had 35 consecutive mediocore performances ... and still we kept him ...
    Worma .. compare RD with other world class players .. that is ok .. but not with kaif ... for a slot or place in ODI
    A out of form RD still is gud compared to in form KAif .. hope u agree

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:50  

  • where did I equate Kaif and RD in capability? Its just the style...and that also *you* compared them, not me!

    Btw...when in good touch...both Kaif and RD are able to score decently enough (Kaif has shown that less frequently, coz he's not as good, yet, as RD). I have few examples to show that he can do it. But I'm sure you can find those in his stats as well.

    As to his batting position...well that is a team management problem to solve...not his

    By Blogger worma, at 06:51  

  • out of form RD is not good for ODI teams...we have been there many times in the past...try to remember. Ofcourse he is a greater player than Kaif so he has better capability to come out.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:52  

  • I second Gk's thoughts on this matter ... Sg Jsut wanted an extra option and RD agve it .. as simple as that
    "never again was there any dount about his odi capabilities. all this stuff about him having to keep wickets to retain his place in the side is nothing but BS. he kept wickets to allow the team an extra option"

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:52  

  • worma
    oh really ? which playr out of form is good for the odi team ? tell me ? let us then fill our odi team with out of form players !!

    By Blogger GK, at 06:54  

  • IMO RD is the only player in the current team apart from SRT who can come out of a lean patch within 3-4 games in both forms of the game.

    By Blogger Ravi, at 06:55  

  • This is where we differ worma,

    "Btw...when in good touch...both Kaif and RD are able to score decently enough (Kaif has shown that less frequently, coz he's not as good, yet, as RD). "

    I feel both cannot accelearate easily against good or great bowling ... Rd has class to counter that and give a knockout punch later whereas kaif cannot ...
    We have not seen kaif score well against quality opposition ... consistently ..
    5 good innings in 4 years for kaif is not enough for a batsman ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:55  

  • gk...probably 'out of form' is a subjective phrase...making it more objective....RD is good for ODIs when he's close to atleast 90-95% of his best...while players like SRT, Yuv, SG etc maybe good even with their 80%. Ofcourse how consistent a player is with retaining the minimum qualifying percentage is another issue.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:56  

  • Worma,
    Any player who is out of form cannot be in teh team ..
    Have not we seen SG dish out mediocore stuff (Worse than RD) .... (ofcurse i like SG ....)
    May be SRT has not done in ODi's ...

    I strongly feel that the first name to be listed down in the indian team will be RD even if he is not the captain (From 2003 till nopw and hopefully 2007)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:58  

  • of course - rd is one of the VER BEST players we have ever produced - and i mean very best ever - not just the technically best, most reliable, best overseas, best defensive, best test player - NO SUCH CRAP

    By Blogger GK, at 06:59  

  • rajesh..yep both cannot accelerate...but you dont need all 6 players in your lineup with that quality. We can afford to have two non-accelerators...as long as their 3 gear is good enough for ODIs (and others are there to accelerate). Consistency is another question...and there is no doubt RD is way ahead of most in it

    By Blogger worma, at 07:00  

  • rajesh..for 'form' issue see my response to gk, as I feel form is subjective...so tried to make it more objective

    By Blogger worma, at 07:02  

  • Worma,
    Here again Tell me why u are not accepting that one anchor is enough for a ODI team ...
    I classify YS,SG and SRT as stroke players and VS and MD as hitters

    We have to hit for 30 overs in a ODI ... Why do we need 2 anchors .. Why can't a stroke player like SRt or Sg do the stuff if it is required ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:03  

  • worma
    "RD is good for ODIs when he's close to atleast 90-95% of his best...while players like SRT, Yuv, SG etc maybe good even with their 80%."

    that is news to me - im glad u r not an indian selector.

    tell me when was the last time you thot RD did not deserve a place in the side

    By Blogger GK, at 07:03  

  • gk...did you read the second part Ofcourse how consistent a player is with retaining the minimum qualifying percentage is another issue. ??? I did not write it without a reason!

    It was there to imply that RD has the capability to raise his game to that qualifying level faster than others....basically this is what I mean by his being most consistent (probably comparable with SRT, but lets leave that aside for the moment)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:06  

  • Worma,
    nowadays scores are exceeding 300 ..
    in WC 2007 ,280 to 300 might be an average score ...
    Why can't we think now itslef that scores will improve and stuff our lineup accordingly ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:06  

  • I think we need both RD and MK in teh team - for a simple reason that for a winning score of anywhere upto 270 - 280, both of them can be there and we can still win...! Yes, when the target (either for setting up or chasing) is around 300+, having both of them in the team may be a liability..! But then, in how many matches do you need the team to score that kind of runs ...?

    By Blogger ravi2206, at 07:07  

  • rajesh...sure do that if you get players in that mode...Kaif is not untouchable yet...if you get someone better than him...sure..replace him. But please judge that player by playing him at number 7 for 4 years...and then comparing him with Kaif. I know atleast some of his 'good-form' periods got wasted because he was last in line...and others were doing well at the top

    By Blogger worma, at 07:08  

  • worma
    no one is *untouchable* - als i dont believe kaif was *wasted* becoz he played crucial roles from #7

    By Blogger GK, at 07:12  

  • am not a fan of rao or yadav. but i think kaif is the most overrated player in the whole world. he is a very good fielder. but an average batsman. even his records reflect that. he has won very few innings under pressure.. also most of his big innings are not under pressure /not against good attack. people talk abt his form in the recent series. mind u zim is a pathetic side and nz doesnt have a great attack. (bond is not a great odi bowler). i wonder how he is considerded the future captain of the side??

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:13  

  • to those who are worried about MK and RD being in the same team lemme just say we cannot say with certainty that the other players have shown consistently that while scoring quick they can bat long enuf ... unless they do so we gotta ensure that we can fully use 50 overs - yesterdays math was prime example of ppl trying to accelerate too quickly and putting the team in danger of not playing 50 overs

    By Blogger GK, at 07:14  

  • gk, no I dont believe he was 'wasted' either..since he fitted a team plan. And the team did well in that phase.

    What I said was its fair to compare him with a newcomer who has to serve a similar role...rather than someone who gets all his chances at number 3. Agreed?

    And yes, no-one's untouchable. Its just that probably SRT would be in that category because he has shown that no-matter what, you cant keep him from performing....so only in that sense.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:14  

  • hithere
    i dont find ur comments worth responding to. anyone else wud like to venture ?

    By Blogger GK, at 07:19  

  • no problems gk sir..
    probably am wrong when i said kaif is a hype.. (i did do a cricinfo filter on kaif before writing that). may be stats are telling wrong story.. anyways..i will wait to see kaif score heavily agaisnt a quality attack and under pressure ofcourse with good strike rate

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:23  

  • worma
    agreed abt the kaif issue

    i find it weird that while u wud be quite happy to drop RD even if his performance drops a few percentage points - u consider SRT untouchable given his poor run in odis prior to this series

    By Blogger GK, at 07:24  

  • Hithere,

    Recent performance by MK (in Zim) is great not because he scored runs against ZIM / NZ - but it came at a time when the team in toto has failed...!!

    By Blogger ravi2206, at 07:26  

  • IMO the only players in the current side who are untouchable (well not for ever.. but for a few series) are
    Rahul Dravid and Virender Sehwag and M S Dhoni.
    (Am not a great fan of rahul though)

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:27  

  • hithere
    i can see that in general u r not a great fan of * ... ;-)

    By Blogger GK, at 07:29  

  • Hithere...
    Something is seriously wrong with your thinking - you don't find some one like SRT not in the list of 'untouchables'(whatever it is); but a VS who has been a failure by his own admission is an 'Untouchable' for you...!!!!

    By Blogger ravi2206, at 07:31  

  • gk...dude....I am not dropping RD. Let me make it more clear....this is what I feel

    a) RD needs to play closer to his peak potential to be a useful ODI player, as compared to some others like SRT, SG, Yuv etc (this is that 90% compared to 80% thing)

    b) When RD falls below this 90%..he is more capable of lifting himself above that fall....much sooner than others. So, if he fails(goes below 90%...and not talking about failure like getting out on 0 on a good ball), he gets out of it soon enough to not be considered a drop candidate. This 'lifting' act of his is better than most others.

    c) Even if he didn't lift himself, there would be 'n' number of such failures before he can be considered to be dropped

    d) That n is pretty big for him, as is for SRT. So forget dropping him or SRT for now.

    e) Even before this series...SRT was playing close to his 80%....good enough not to consider dropping him. Please go and check our ODI stats for last season....RD avg is 40+ and SRT is number two with 35+. I think SRT is also strong enough that he will get you runs pretty consistently. He may not 'look' as good as we want him to.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:32  

  • Given the string of low scores...can't see how VS is being persisted with. Oh well !! Rules are different for the current Indian team and altogether different for SG... Long Live GC and his tribe

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:33  

  • i will stop on kaif issue. sorry if i hv hurt anybody's feelings.
    if u have to pick one player to be dropped from the current side, then it has to be murali karthik.. people say he was not given a fair chance, ganguly dint handle him well etc etc.. but sorry the guy doesnt have class in him.. he is too slow on and off air(am not saying this cuz he dint perfrom yesterday. i understand there was due).. he is such a pathetic bowler. but he will still in the side forever. thats the sure. but murali karthik thinks he is better than vettori. lol :-)

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:33  

  • worma,
    avgs dont tell the whole story .. but lets not go there again.

    while VS is nt performing too well at least he is averaging 33 in this series and that is not too bad.

    at least for me u have not hurt any feelings but u continue to amuse

    By Blogger GK, at 07:39  

  • GK,
    while VS is nt performing too well at least he is averaging 33 in this series and that is not too bad.

    I didn't say VS is a bad player - at an average of whatever it is ... he can't be automatic selection and hence, he can't be an 'untouchable'...! That's all.

    By Blogger ravi2206, at 07:42  

  • gk..agreed wholeheartedly avgs dont tell the full story :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:42  

  • gk....averages are used to defend...If one scores 33 in one match and remains not out on 5 in two other matches, the average would still be 43....Not a truthful parameter...U can agree to disagree.But, in the given circumstances, GC cannot afford to distance any more 'powerful' players.Hence the continuance with VS.

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:43  

  • hithere,
    I agree that Murali Kartik has been provided ample opportunity and failed. He may not have had the confidence of his captain or a consistent run, but the bottom line is you have to perform in the opportunities provided. A player can be persisted if he performs poorly for 10-15 ODIs-- tops! Kartik has now played 23 ODIs and has a horrendous average of 44.65 with an economy rate of 5.1! These figures are actually worse than almost all of our part-timers. It really is time to look for a spin-allrounder for the ODI team. The selectors seemed to go into the Challenger Trophy with this goal in mind, but no candidate really emerged. Some may argue for Ramesh Powar, but I'm not entirely sure he is the answer. However, I wouldn't mind if he was given an opportunity over Kartik. However, considering we already have an offie in Harbhajan, I would prefer a left-armer or leggie. Piyush Chawla is a name that comes to mind, but at 16, the guy is still probably too young and raw. Sivaramkrishnan Vidyut, a really hard-hitting batsman and left arm spinner, is an option, but he is more of a batting allrounder, while the real need is for a bowling allrounder. Can any of you guys think of any other candidates?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:45  

  • ravi
    well u expressed surprise abt how he was being persisted with and went on about rules being different and GC and all that ... hence pointed it out

    By Blogger GK, at 07:45  

  • GK on the averages issue...Can u tell me what are the following players averaging


    And what was SG's average before he was 'cut-off' from the team ??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:45  

  • GK...I stick to my guns...Rules are being bent to ensure that SG is kept out...It doesn't matter that very few people agree on that.That is bcos very few people want to see the 'truth'

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:47  

  • ravi
    yes but VS has NOT scored 33 in one match and remained not out in 5 other matches ... in fact his 48 at pune was quite a crucial inns so was his 39 at jaipur and well 38 at mohali was not too bad ...

    By Blogger GK, at 07:48  

  • ravi1010,
    Although averages do not tell the full story, in Virender Sehwag's case, they usually do since the guy almost never remains not out. In 61 Test innings, he only has 2 not outs, while in 130 one-day innings, he only has 6 not outs. This is a very low percentage compared to other batsmen. Sehwag's average is about as close to a true average as you'll ever get.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:48  

  • GK,

    There are 2 Ravi's operating now ...Thought you were talking to me.. ;)

    By Blogger ravi2206, at 07:48  

  • GK...if VS is expected to score only 30s and 40s...India does not need him.His performance is not making an impact bcos India is winning. Wait for the SA series to start...and we can see the way the cookie crumbles...
    And my argument is not againts VS but the differential treatment meted out to different people
    And my view on averages need to be looked at a macro level and not about VS being not out or scoring 33 et al..Averages could be misleading..or to quote"avgs do not tell the full story" ;)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 07:57  

  • what matters is your ability to win watches.. i dont care abt the avgs.. sehwag and gangu are two proven match winners..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:59  

  • - Kartik should NEVER be picked in the indian team again
    - Yuvraj should NEVER be picked again until he improves his ability to bat. We can't go with an open liability like "Yuvi can't play spin". He was pathetic in the last 5 one-days.
    - Kaif is over-rated. He is average bat and a good fielder. I rate Gibbs and Ponting better fielders than him. Raina over Kaif. Saw him field yesterday as well.
    - Gautam G HAS to be in the squad. My worry is if VS and SRT are opening where do we fit Gautam ?
    - Dravid has to stay at no. 4
    - Hope SRT agrees to play no. 3

    READ THIS : Future captain of India : Suresh Raina

    By Blogger carycricket, at 08:57  

  • Funny how some people are so possessed with individuals..would even hope for the Indian cricket's 'cooky to crumble' against SA now that it has'nt happened against SL!

    So much so for wanting the best for Indian cricket!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 09:10  

  • mount...u are the cleverest :D...Nobody ever wishes for Indian cricket to get into the doldrums...not me atleast. I have been an ardent Indian cricket fan for the last 30 years and believe me...I have not once ever wished bad for indian cricket...But, it is just that so much venom has been spewed on one guy...i would prefer to support him.But, again not at the cost of Indian cricket.Just prove to me and with utmost "honesty",why Kaif / JPY / GG are better than SG (lack of form is something that everyone goes thru')and I'll not mention another word in support of SG.U have my word for it.

    Jayasuriya and Lara are going thru; the worst forms of their career...Hayden just got out of one...RD has gone thru' it.So has SRT.So did Sunny and GRV.Why this spite for SG alone. Only because he made public the issue he had with GC.
    He being kept out of the Indian team for non cricketing reasons and attributing the team's success to his absence is carrying absurdity to its zenith

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 09:36  

  • YS continues to enjoy the confidence of GC and Selectors, maybe something to do with state he is from. Mahendra Nath is from Haryana....YS from Punjab....some dosti is going on....
    India does not have a better player than YS...it is sad state of affairs....

    By Blogger Rajg, at 10:07  

  • ravi1010,
    It seems to me one of the strong reasons to not select Ganguly in ODIs may not just be his poor form with the bat, but his poor fielding. All the really slow players and fielding liabilities seem to have gone. Laxman, Zaheer, Nehra, Kumble...
    That said, should Ganguly have another big score or 2 in domestic cricket, he most likely will be selected for Test cricket where ground fielding is not of as much importance as it is in ODIs.
    Does that argument make some sense?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:22  

  • ravi1010,
    You might provide a riposte about Sehwag still being in the team despite gaining so much weight. I definitely think he should go unless he sheds the excess pounds, however, although overweight, he still manages to move pretty quickly on the turf. But, somebody needs to kick the guy in the *** and let him know that it is unacceptable, in this day and age, to carry around those excess pounds.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 11:26  

  • sahir and all
    why is everyone ignoring the fact that this is ganguly stats for last four seasons
    Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct t

    2005/2006 5 77 31 15.40 0 0 0 - - 0 2 0
    2005 3 79 51 39.50 0 1 0 - - 0 0 0
    2004/2005 9 178 55 19.77 0 1 0 - - 0 2 0
    2004 13 480 90 40.00 0 5 0 - - 0 6 0
    2003/2004 16 412 82 27.46 0 1 6 3/41 39.50 0 5 0

    By Blogger tombaan, at 12:23  

  • While I would have like JPY in the team, but then have to admit the competetion is tough..

    Especially we have to keep droping couple of players every time we sit to select, even when we win.. just to keep the fire burning.. and it also make sure that discipline is upto the mark..

    JPY will be a very effective bowler in conditions where it swings a bit.. On these flat Indian pitches, I have seen the best of them getting hammered.. why just blame JPY.. SO well I will surely keep JPY in plans.. Unfortunately SLankans are goiung after him and on these falt pitches(Add dew factor), all of them are cannon fodder..

    Please note that, in all the matches I have seen in last few years where dew was a factor, team batting second has always won.. be in jublee match in Calcutta or any other one.. SO no need to cry on the last lost match..

    VRV Singh.. I guess his inclusion is very good for the team.. Even if he does not get to play, I want him to spend some time with seniors so that he can learn some "Principles of moving th ball" .. Once he does that, He is going to be the punch that Indian needs to knock out teams outside subcontinent..

    He seems to have brain.. His batting showed that.. Thats what makes me optimistic..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 13:09  

  • I have been reading the commemts and totally agree with Rajesh and others about Kaif...the guy is useless. Anybody who has one matchwinning (???) knock in a year should be out of the team.
    Comparing JP and Kaif is not fair. On one hand you have a player who has literaly got 100 chances to prove and on the other had, JP is always on trail without any opportunity to prove his batting at a good number. Compare their records in first class and see. What you will also see is that JP is a sureshot 10 overs 'good' bowler. That itself should put him ahead of Kaif. Kaif may or may not be a little better ( maybe due to his international exposure) than JP in batting, but what about the 10 overs? Isn't that as important as batting?
    Kaif should not be in the team period. There are far far better batsman of 'real' class, not manufatutred ability.
    Examples...Badani, Gambhir...even Mongia.
    By the way to a lot of people Badani should not even be talked about with the likes of Mongia, Kaif, Yuvraj or Gambhir...he is actually in the class of the Dravids and Sehwags and Tendulkars. But he is one tragedy of Indian cricket. He is actally a 50+ (test) or 40+ (odi) avg batsman.

    By Blogger mau tor, at 13:09  

  • Mau Tor, agree with you on Badani...he never got a true run. I will have him in the team instead of YS.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 14:08  

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