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Friday, November 04, 2005

About Dhoni(-worma)

I've been refraining from posting too much about Indian performances recently, since it appears that when we are doing well...things are relatively calm out here..in blogosphere as well:-) And most of the positives are pretty much in the open, for all to see. Its when we're losing that we start finding faults in each and every move...evenly distributing blame to all quarters.

But one personal observation about Dhoni I would indeed like to share. To me, he seems to have moved from 'potential' to 'reliable' position in his first international season itself. With his mature knocks interspersed with the blitzkrieg...he has reached a position where his presence at the crease, even at the tense moments of a tricky chase, would inspire hope in the fans. That all is not lost yet. Even if he's playing with a tailender at the other end. The kind of feeling reserved only for good specialist batsmen (RD, SRT, SG, Yuv etc) in the past. Here's what Ranatunga says about him in his recent article
He has not allowed the success to get to him, he could still have been in a reverie, on high clouds sleep walking in dream on the stupor of Jaipur. In less than two days, he has moved ahead from Jaipur. Lesser mortals don't manage it in a lifetime.
Ofcourse it doesn't mean he's as good as those others *yet* (we don't know, atleast) or that he will succeed each time we get him in that position(who does?). Its just the 'status' he has achieved, and so soon, as a batsman.


  • we will be correct to acknowledge the arrival of possibly something 'very special' in indian cricket..in dhoni..but i hope true to our style we dont put him on a pedestal and then bury him later when our fickle minded expectations are not met..in any case, i hope dhoni will be good also in face of quality attack outside the subcontinent..that is a good next test..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:30  

  • actually I dont mind even if he's good at home and fractionally less so outside ;-)...*atleast* we get better at winning (ODIs) at home..which in itself is not too bad a deal. But I agree...the expectations should be based on hard facts

    By Blogger worma, at 08:35  

  • Worma,
    Is this Dhoni's first international season? I thought he came on board during the BD season in 2004 season itself. He also scored a marvellous 148 in the PAK season in 2004 and another 47. And yes, on both occasions he was sent at no 3 by the divisive SG/JW!!

    By Blogger SS, at 08:37  

  • that is true..come to think of it is quite interesting than we just came off an period where india's odi records outside was better than at home..i dont remember any other time we had that before..may be some one can point that out..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:40  

  • worma - stay loose, dont lose yr cool.
    Sorry to nitpick so early in the am - but yr frequent mixing up of loose and lose is starting to grate.

    By Blogger Gardhabh, at 08:44  

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    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:46  

  • worma, none of us would complain i hope if dhoni was just 'fractionally' less outside india..for that matter he could be "fractionally" better..who knows..but we are just hoping it is not an improper fraction when he is not doing well..i.e. numerator larger than or equal to the denominator :)

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 08:47  

  • I am very excited with Dhoni. I thought his body language was always very good. Unlike Yuvraj or Kaif, I think he handles collapses better. He is somewhat predictable with this shots, though. And I think as his fame grows, I think we will see some of the holes in his batting. But the most positive thing about Dhoni is his agressive and positive attitude. I think if anything that will carry him his game the furthest.

    Also, there has been a lot of talk about the lack of all-rounders in Indian cricket. I see almost everyone on this team who can do more than one thing. Not sure about Santh or even Harbajan but everyone else are mini-all-rounders.

    By Blogger ahem, at 08:51  

  • ss: yeah he was there at the end of last season...ok...you can say 1.5th season for him now. But I guess you get the point I'm trying to make :-)

    indianfansrcrazy: I thought our ODI record both home and abroad was bad towards the end of last season? Although I personally also feel that we have been playing better ODI cricket outside the subcontinent conditions for a while. Probably something to do with our bowling combination? (more suited to helpful tracks rather than flat ones?)

    gardhab: ok boss, point taken...although this is not the first time I've 'taken' this point...hope its the last :-)...else, more apologies in advance :-))

    indianfansrcrazy: Umm...by a fraction I meant his capabilities are a percentage (50-70% ?) of that at home...that would be good enough. And btw, he would not be alone in this club.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:58  

  • worma: you are quite correct about last season..i was implying more during sg's captaincy period overall (i may be quite wrong and hence needed help0 and the insistence on having a good pace attack outside india that won us matches..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 09:02  

  • Worma, how is Prem doing?

    By Blogger ahem, at 09:03  

  • ajit, wrote to him but haven't heard from him. Will update you guys once I do.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:04  

  • Worma,

    You mention YS along with SRT as specialist batsman...play with tailender etc.

    Can you please show me one instance where YS played with tailenders and helped India win. He is always a talented potential guy...after 4-5 yrs of Intl cricket, close to 150 ODIs what his proven worth to team.

    YS should be dropped and sent back to school....selectors should bring in MK instead.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 09:43  

  • rajg: My point was more generic in nature..rather than about the 'form' of those players. So..go ahead, throw him out of the team(or lets discuss that separately:-)..but dont discredit him from what he has done.

    As to your question about the instances....how about this and

    this and

    this and

    this and

    this and

    this and

    this and

    this and

    this ???

    By Blogger worma, at 10:03  

  • aaghh..ignore the first link

    By Blogger worma, at 10:07  

  • On the ball as far as dhoni goes. The way he is shifting gear to couter the match dynamics has been brilliant so far. From being the anhillator he turned himself instantly into this dependable finisher when the situation demanded. More than talent i see strength of physical and mental nature and some good cricketing sense in this guy. Hopefully the team should realise this and nurture him, quoting dravid,he could possibly become the future of indian cricket.

    By Blogger Realms, at 10:37  

  • worma: i think rajg was trying to figure where ys played well and helped india win..in most of your instances india lost..

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 12:03  

  • Worma,
    I cannot access those links from work...my point is when did YS help win India...i remember is debut match against Aus and once in Natwest Final.

    For someone is performing so less frequently and not reliable....how can we continue him..for so long....

    There are players who apply themselves better ex; Badani...

    Selectors should try new players...instead potential...talented bias.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 12:11  

  • rajg: we may or may not continue with him in future. If he fails he may go out....but since he did decently in SL series and Zim recently...so they should wait over a period of time to see if he can get it back (and its as recently as Challenger when GC said that Yuv has reached another level!..So he must've seen something).

    But my point was, he has done decently in the past, when he got those chances...he was doing well for us. I refuse to believe it was any kind of favouritism. I think his and Kaif's contribution was worthy of the chances in that duration. His last season was terrible, as was for most of the team.

    And when you are able to access the links, you'll get atleast some answer to when he helped India in crucial situations. Ofcourse these are just few examples.

    indianfansrcrazy: Well actually rajg was asking for a *single* intance when he batted with lower order to help us win:-) I think there's atleast one example :-) And anyways...I think the general point in my post was that these people make an effort (or made an effort) which made us rely on them in tough situations. Atleast for me, Yuv was in that category at some point of time. Whether he's there today or not, or he will get it back...is another issue.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:33  

  • I saw the highlights of the 4th ODI, and I'm not completely sold on Rao, Raina & Dhoni. I like their attitude, but I'd like to see how they handle a predominatly pace attack, rather than a predominantly spin one. Dhoni seems to rely on freeing his arms and swinging through the line. Nothing wrong with that, but we'll have to see how he adjusts when the bowlers start cramping him.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:34  

  • roublen...ofcourse still a long way to go for him. Now the bowlers would start studying him...and preparing their lines of attack...

    By Blogger worma, at 12:52  

  • worma: i stand corrected! though no need for you to send the links where india lost;). but, i think yuvi is in the matchwinner category and must be persisted with.

    roublen: that has been my point in other posts as well. let us not start expecting same performance before few more series and few quality attacks.

    By Blogger indianfansrcrazy, at 16:06  

  • See: http://www.htcricket.com/htcricket/7856_1536962,001601100004.htm

    1. Arjuna Ranatunga feels that ODI openers need the experience and technique to bat against the new ball, especially outside the continent. As specialists, they should be first to identify any technical failings or address lack of form. For the same reason, he feels there are dangers in concentrating the batting strength at the top. In fact, a rigid batting line-up with strength at the top, will allow the opposition to target the batsmen with well thought-out bowling changes.

    2.India is getting a lot of success in promoting inexperienced players to the no. 3 position. It's meant to help a bowler like Pathan to think differently about his batting. Dhoni played a brilliant knock at three. But at six, and facing a close chase, he used a different approach. That Dhoni was able to remain focussed and do the right things makes him even more special; it adds to the versatility of the Indian batting line- up. Arjuna also lauds the youngsters like Raina and Rao for their composure and how they responded to pressure of the situation. Similarly, he is impressed with Sehwag's ability to absorb pressure, and feels he has the temperament to bowl in the later overs of the match.

    3. To a large extent, the opposition will use a bowling attack to neutralise the best batsmen. When Dhoni moved away from no. 3, it meant SL had to preserve their bowling to combat him at 6. That allows players at the top to flourish.

    Arjuna's criticism of SL is a little unfair. Sangrakarra has been in fantastic form as an opener prior to this series. Attapatu played really well at five. In the last game, had SL won, their bowling strategy would have been hailed a big success. His admiration of the Indian team is a result of India's winning ways. I would forget about this and go for a win in each of the remaining games. I had keep the same team with rest for one player (Sachin?) if need be. Lets see how the young players do in the next three matches!

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 16:31  

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