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Tuesday, October 11, 2005

Open thread for Challenger Seniors vs B

OK, open thread for today's game...lets see how many of the youngsters get a look-in. No matter what the result, this to me is the most interesting-to-watch of the three teams.

Btw, Laxman said, at the end of yesterday's play, that the team had decided to play as a unit, rather than strive for individual performances...which is, frankly, the implicit objective of the tournament. Lots of credit to them if they planned thus, and were able to execute it.

Anyway...open thread of the day...


P.S. Those of you in touch with Prem, request to update us on the situation.

766 Comments:

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    By Blogger AmyWon, at 03:30  

  • like ystday, let's support the youngsters, the underdogs, and take pride in their performances against an established international outfit.
    great match yesterday, hopefully a good one today

    By Blogger Dhruv Deepak, at 03:40  

  • yep dhruv...to me the format of this challenger has been the best thing...so the youngsters and probables are not overshadowed by the seniors...they can play allout to show their talent.

    And even the seniors have a better chance of match practise since they dont play against an attack which they regularly face in nets.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:50  

  • I just hope Uthappa and dhawan add to what gambhir/jadhav/Singhs did to our so called strike bowlers.. specially the guy who jumps and sprays..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:52  

  • worma.. I agree with you on this one.. This is the format that I was wishing for..

    and yesterday it was a nice day for Indian Cricket...

    GC wasn't lying one bit.. He just spoke what many hundred millions are whispering day in and day out.. I am sure all those millions enjoyed the 4 Jadhav boundaries..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:55  

  • thanks chappel...the guy who jumps and sprays is not our strike bowler ;-)....I keep pointing you since yesterday (and dude...I checked your comments....not fair...despite my repeated reminder that atleast *my* comments are in specifically in context of yesterday's game..you kept taking them out of context to say I am promoting the case of x, y, z to hold a place in the team)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:57  

  • i understand your difficulty worma..

    but wake up and smell te coffee.. truth hurts but eventually wins..

    by the way "the guy who jumps and sprays " comment was no personal..

    anyway.. what about SG.. your stand on that.. should he be in the team and be a captain?

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:01  

  • As SG is not playing in Challenger, will he be considered for the SL series?

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:07  

  • One thing I noticed was how serious every player was in yesterday's challenger match. Even Tendulkar. He couldn't take a difficult catch and he was obviously disappointed. Just goes to show that kicking a few backsides helps people focus and take things seriously. I definitely agree with Chappel that 1. There should be zero tolerance for indiscipline, lethargy and non-performance and 2. The selector, coach and management should be transparent about why a player is being dropped or not being selected howsoever senior or talented that guy may be. This helps reduce bitterness and in fact, helps players work on the areas pointed out.

    Only sore thing was the quality of commentary. Can someone ask Zee to just shut down the audio mode (or in stead can play some music) if they can't get hold of some good commentators.

    By Blogger Raag, at 04:10  

  • crick,

    they are arranging a back door entry for him.. Playing for east zone out of TV limelight..

    but then wont CAPTAIN attend the camp to create soem positive environment?

    Selectors have some tough questions to face and answer. But in the fact of a home defeat against SL, they cant afford a non-playing captain anymore..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:11  

  • thanks chappel,

    The selectors are meeting on 13th to name the captain and on 14th to pick up the team. How come they can pick up SG as captain when he is not sure of playing till the physical examination on 18th. It is interesting to see what the selectors do.

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:15  

  • very interesting indeed! Let see how far they can go.. or stoop..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:15  

  • thanks chappel: firstly nothing taken personally at all (I never do, unless someone specifically calls me names ;-)..so no worries there.

    My comment was that going by yesterday's performance...we cannot think of throwing out any of our ODI regulars (and no ZK does not count in there). Thats all.

    If you want a generic discussion...then I agree....some of them are stretching the expectations of fans and selectors....ZK has already realised and paid the price(I dont think he is going to come back in our ODI team anytime soon...even if Nehra is unfit). There are others in this zone...but Kaif and Yuv now seem to have realised that the kick is around the corner (Yuv needed more of it) and have atleast started showing more application in their approach.

    Whether Yuv looks ugly again spin is not my concern. He has lots of batting talent and only his brain needs to be set right. There are so many good batsman around the world who are weak against spin and yet survive. He also used to do it around the phase when he made the comeback (after being dropped since that Sharjah tournament).

    Agarkar is anyway on the fringes...and I still dont see him bad enough to be ignored from the fringes. Not until we have found some more better bowlers. And I mentioned this many times yestday, I do find some of the newcomers worth watching, and being given chances. RP is already in contention...VRV seems another one. I think one of them may get a chance against SL if Nehra doesnt recover(maybe even if he does)

    Harbhajan...well first of all...anyone who spins the ball and does a few good performances doesnt become a Murali or Warne (or even Vettori or Kumble). bhajji has gone down in last season(in ODIs mainly) and I discussed this yestday. Its a combination of defensive use, and overall the team doing badly..low confidence...and his own capabilites going down a bit since his return (atleast I feel his revvs has gone down since his return from injury) and also some of it has to do with his confidence due to that doosra controversies. Anyways....sure give chances to others....but do you really see, so far, anyone remarkably better than him?

    My stand on SG...well thats well known...isnt it. My reason for wanting to give him more chance was based purely on cricketing reasons...and off-field activities dont change that. Now whether he is fit enough...does a decent showing in Duleep trophy to earn a comeback etc....is a diff issue.

    And all the criticism of his captaincy...well I agree with a lot of it...but to me...if he is playing well...and holding a place in the team as a player(in ODIs or tests or both)....he is the best captaincy bet we have. Now this can go on longer....so dropping this line now :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:15  

  • crick..I dont see any way of selectors picking SG as captain on 13th...I dont expect them to declare him as captain 'subject to fitness test and duleep performance'....not after the mess up they did with the SL tour. So unless they postpone the captain (and therefore the team) selection till much later (after the Duleep game?...that would be scarily close to SL series..no that cant happen)...I dont see any way of SG being the captain for SL.

    And since RD is likely to be made captain....I have a feeling that even that would happen long term....atleast for next two series, if not longer.

    This also shows what SG may have missed through Challenger!...although I am not so sure that he would have been retained the captain anyway...unless he had had a couple of v good knocks....because I have a feeling that unless he had played exceptionally well, the selectors would not have wanted to make him an automatic selection in playing XI...hence they might not have picked him as captain. Anyways...all that is mere hypothesis now

    By Blogger worma, at 04:26  

  • worma.. If SG does not play in SL series, then, I guess it could be the end of his career as so many promising youngsters are knocking the door. what do you say?

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:31  

  • Crick, immediately after the 'review meeting' their was talk of having separate test and ODI captains. This situation of SG not playing in the challenger and hence not being named the captain for the ODI team links in well. In my opinion, RD would be the captain of the ODI team and SG would retain the captaincy of the test team for the SL series.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:34  

  • Worma....No Ganguly....Greg is the coach...and India Seniors lose!!??Any message from this...Not many matches India has won since Greg took over..and the India Seniors anyways represents the Indian Team ( add / remove one or two players)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:34  

  • trr
    Not many matches India won even in the last year of JWs tenure ...

    By Blogger GK, at 04:37  

  • mount_cleverest... The form and the record of SG is very poor in the tests compared to ODIs.

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:38  

  • crick:..umm...not sure if it would be 'end of career' for him....but yes a comeback would be much harder...he would have to make a strong case in domestic games for his comeback. I'm not sure how much motivation he would have left....but it would need a lot of it

    mount_cleverest: yes that can be one option..although SG would have to *play* some serious cricket by the time of next test series (yep, plenty of time for that)

    trr: dude..not much to read...what can GC do...this seniors team wasnt actually a full blown team (Nehra, VS, RD, SG missing)....and its not as if the A team was all newcomers..one could have expected the match to be close....although the seniors, and not A, should have won in that final over(ZK did poor against tailenders...but then ZK is also not a regular in our ODI team anymore). Ofcourse one big message is that our Senior team is not "leagues ahead of the rest of talent in India"....and this is actually a message mainly for the components, esp the more vulenrable ones, of the team...that they cannot take things for granted...

    By Blogger worma, at 04:40  

  • trr..It takes some time for any coach or the captain to understand and build the team.

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:40  

  • gk...true...Was expecting some refreshing change with GC...or is it too early...hope things change before it is too late.
    Too much of tinkering with batting line up is unwarranted... Why wld one want to send in IP as an opener??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:41  

  • gk: yep good point...so its not GC's fault....actually the ODI team was down in dumps....GC is trying to bring it up...atleast attempting to (forgetting the off-field issues for this discussion)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:42  

  • Crick, Could'nt agree more with you. But given the situation, he can not be pulled out entirely, India would be expected to perform decently in the tests at home anyways and SG can get a graceful exit plan. BTW, heard somewhere that the 'Videocon school of cricket' is the second largest cricket school in the world!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:42  

  • worma.. well said about yesterday's match. It is good to see the potential of the young players.. Good sign for the Indian cricket.

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:42  

  • Guys... just changed my profile from Ravi to TRR to Ravi1010.Just a clarification :D

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:43  

  • @ravi
    pathan has good battint potential. with GC we are beginning to see some changes. middle oeder looks settled fielding improved - bowling still major problem

    By Blogger GK, at 04:43  

  • Sending IP to open the innings is a part of GC's philosophy of making players work in 'untested' circumstances, to make them more flexibile. Wonder how much good it would do to our team and how long would it continue. We saw similar things being tried relentlessly in the SL series earlier.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:44  

  • ravi: Too much of tinkering with batting line up is unwarranted....yes thats one complaint I have from yestday....Pathan should not have opened...but Kaif gave the reason that its only because they dont have an opener..although as we discussed yesterday...JP Yadav seems to be a regular opener...and anyway we need to develop his batting much more desperately than Pathan(since if JP has to be a regular in our scheme of things...he needs to be really v good in batting, unlike Pathan who can still take more time to mature as a batsman)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:44  

  • Could not watch the match lst evening. Any updates on Kaif's captaincy

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:45  

  • Worma...Why would Kaif say that...Dhoni could hav ebeen sent in ...or if he wanted a left/roght combo...he had YS tailor made for the job

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:46  

  • Sorry..."left/right"

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:47  

  • ravi..Kaif also mentioned that since Dhoni is established in middle order..and thats what they want to be in long term..so didnt want to send him up

    By Blogger worma, at 04:49  

  • Trr the message is very clear.As I pointed out earlier Indias performance over the last copule of years has been due to 3 players,namely Dravid,Sehwag and Anil Kumble.In one dayers the team doesnt have Kumble.Sehwag and Dravid hasnt been at his best and Indias struggled.Lots been said about GC and his coaching style etc.Eventually he cannot go and play for them.Lot of Indian players need a kick up their backside(with exception of Nehra who seems to have got such a kick that he has picked up a buttock injury).Harbahajan Singh should have ideally taken over the mantle of senior spin bowler.Yet he is in such a state that we are sitting and discussing his replacements.Lot of people have said about how Powar etc are nowhere his class.Yes Bhajji at his best is umcomparable.Yet his best has not been seen for quite some time.So yes if thats the case Powar is more than adequate replacement.As far as ZK I am sure that this performance will once gain prove that he has lost it as a bowler!!Also lot has been said by Ruchi and others about Dinesh Mongia non selection.He has had a very average performance in the season for Leictshire in county.Nothing earth shattering in his performance.The year before his performace for Lancashire was really really good.But not this year.In fact this year they lost the 20-20 semis and he played a rank bad shot to get out and their coach and captained spoke about how senior players need to play with more responsibility.As far as Dinesh Karthik is concerned this particular player scored centuries in semi final and final of the Ranji trophy.He desrves a call more than the likes of Raina who has no first class ton to his name!!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 04:50  

  • mount cleverest.. It is the australian way.. you can see that katich replaces hayden as opener and then Clark replaces Katich (when he is not in team). It is good to experiment.
    But, in pathan's case, I don't think they have any plans to make him an opener. May be trying to check his batting potential.

    By Blogger Crick, at 04:50  

  • Ravi,
    Don't worry abt the profile... V can recognize u by your tedhapan...

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:51  

  • it will be really interesting to see the team that gets selected for the SL series after this challenger series.

    if team for WC 2007 is to be prepared, some experiments are necessary at this stage. i think sending IP as opener, was one of them

    By Blogger eatcricket, at 04:51  

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    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:52  

  • Yeda...Jeez...u are the smart one who picks on my writing being teda

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:53  

  • I hope B team wins and elect to bat first.. I am not interested in SRT batting today.. I wanna see Uthappa and Dhawan..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 04:55  

  • Thanks chappel...yr prayers have been answered. India B is batting

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:56  

  • IP has some problems playing fast bowlers and GC i am sure was trying to highlight it to him more than anything else.At various points in their in carrer Lehmann.Martyn,Clarke and Katich have opened.If these players can definately then our overpaid and underperforming cricketers surely can.Also all the players who are complaining are the ones who seem to be around 23 25 ,while the real senior players Kumble,Dravid (30 -35) are not complaining.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 04:57  

  • India Srs should try out Vidyut...he is a good allrounder with a lot of potential.Hope he does not get treated like his father was

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:57  

  • ThanksChap,
    I always found u 'to the point' ... then why u r saying u want to see India B batting.... Say saaf saaf.. u want to see ZK being murdered here :-)

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:58  

  • Ravi, U sure he is Shiva's son? I don't recall Siva being that old!!

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:01  

  • Who is Vidyuts father??

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:01  

  • Cricinfo still zzzzzzzzzzzz'ing

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:01  

  • yeda yakub.. Well ZK is out of the scene already.. Lets see the likes of Agarakar etc when they chase.. Their allrounder tags need to be brutlized too..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:01  

  • V Sivaramakrishnan...Opened for TN with TE Srinivasan and also with Srikkanth...an amazing batsman, a decent bowler and an incredibly great close in fielder

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:02  

  • Zaheer has already been dropped..
    Ha ha..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:03  

  • SS parab replaces ZK

    By Blogger Crick, at 05:03  

  • I am also happy that AA will open the bowling.. Lets hope Robin Sinh has told his team what to do..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:04  

  • Today again we gonna see IP as an oppner or will it be JP yadav?

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 05:07  

  • Hmm Ravi Vidyut is a hard hitting batsman.But his bowling hasnt really improved and infact didnt bowl much in the last season.In current form his bowling is no better than Raina.So the all rounder tag is a anamoly

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:07  

  • Under 10 guys aint getting too many chances, Nadeem and Tiwari werent picked yesterday and No RaviKant Shukla in todays game. Hopefully they will be picked in next game unless selectors have picked them just for dressing room experience.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:08  

  • AA starts better than IP.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:09  

  • Parab is gonna open for seniors today not IP.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:10  

  • vick...yes lets hope they get a chance in second match....well atleast Chawla is sure to get a bowl...now that B team is batting first

    By Blogger worma, at 05:11  

  • Can this India B team beat Bangladesh?

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 05:11  

  • Good morning, all.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:12  

  • Yeah thanks to Kaif he will. But then he is gonna bowl with due on so not sure how much success he will get.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:13  

  • @all
    just logged in and isnt it gr8 to see ZAHEER DROPPED ??

    By Blogger GK, at 05:13  

  • Vick..AA should be in Indian Squad permanently for his bowling, batting, and very good fielding.If he is in the team regularly, then, he gets motivated to improve.

    By Blogger Crick, at 05:13  

  • Chawla may not get much of an opportunity to display his wares- wrist spinner and dew factor

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:14  

  • ohh yes..I forgot..the dew factor...too bad....the lad has a reputation for ripping the ball, and if he cant get to showcase that...too bad

    By Blogger worma, at 05:14  

  • @crick
    absolutely. and he shud get the new ball

    By Blogger GK, at 05:15  

  • sahir..isn't wrist spin a better bet than finger spin in due?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:15  

  • If India A and B scores easily against our front line bowling, think of Australians, SL, Pakistan etc? They will make merry.

    By Blogger Crick, at 05:15  

  • yeah gk,
    Zaheer dropping is good news; let's hope it is permanent. :) Funny thing, Srinath and Charu Sharma were questioning the desicision saying it was incomprehensible. Makes you wonder if they are watching the same game...chutiyas

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:16  

  • I guess, a good spinner will atleast show some loop, lets leave the turn for now..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:17  

  • If the selectors pick up atleast three new young guys into the team, then, they should be appreciated.

    By Blogger Crick, at 05:17  

  • well said sahir.. yesterday this Sharma was saying that "both teams virtually scored 580 runs in the match".. how was that virtual?

    AA back at his best.. as expected..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:18  

  • Early days yet but looks like a good start already for the B team. Indisciplend bowling and filding thus far by the seniors, sachin has done a bad misfield himself.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:18  

  • Charu should stick to watching Mandiras blouse with his tongue hanging out.Of course its incomprehensible for them as their brains refuse to understand.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:19  

  • Sure Crick i am die hard AA fan :)).
    If Watson can get success the so can AA.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:20  

  • @bulchee
    LOL
    btw those of u who r watching on Zee who are the anoying anchors this time ?

    By Blogger GK, at 05:21  

  • I must say I am very disappointed to not see Vidyut opening instead of Parab. From all accounts, Vidyut is a big, big hitter of the ball. And someone that was a specialist left-armer until two years ago. Not to metion, although age is not a decisive factor, it must be taken into account. Parab is 30, while Vidyut is 23.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:21  

  • I always thought why Srinath(who is an engg by the way) not able to analyze and think as well as other guys.. (like other top bowlers like mcgrath.. akaram etc)..

    now I hear him commentating.. I get now.. guy cant think much.. hence the fulltosses in WC final to poniting.. one after the other..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:22  

  • sahir...vidyut may get into the lineup after half-time....maybe he will open ;-)...dont go by batting order list...they had JP listed as opener yesterday

    By Blogger worma, at 05:23  

  • IP is bowling little bit better line now.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:23  

  • Charu sharma- srinath combo is deadly..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:24  

  • Would be interesting to watch Yusuf Pathan bowl and bat..heard he's a bit in the JP Yadav mode. The kind of players we need. has anyone seen him perform earlier?

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:26  

  • worma,
    If Vidyut is due to open, would it not make sense to have him in the XI and Parab as the supersub. That way Vidyut can be utilized as a spinner should you bowl first, which is exactly what Kaif chose to do.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:26  

  • Sahir i wouldnt watse Vidyut at opening. We are not looking for an opener right now. What we are looking for is a batsman who can hit big down the order and who can also bowl. Vidyut fits that so it will be good to check him in that role. There is SK Nair too who i think also is a allrounder.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:26  

  • balls are hitting at the middle of the bat..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 05:27  

  • 5.1 Agarkar to Uthappa, wide: no run, a short and slow bouncer, goes
    over and wide of Uthappa.

    Why would he want to bowl a 'slow bouncer' over everyones head? Goes over my head too!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:28  

  • mount_clverest,
    Yusuf Pathan is not quite in the Yadav mould. Pathan is a player with far greater natural ability. The question is whether he can maximize his ability the was Yadav does.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:28  

  • the way Yadav does above

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:28  

  • Yusuf Pathan played in last cup too. Didnt do much to impress the selectors and thats the reason he wasnt picked this time.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:30  

  • Mate when we bowl a ball that when banged short goes over the batsman in a tennis ball kind of loop its called a slow bouncer.Indian Pace bowlers like ZK,Nehra specilaise in this delivery:-)

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:30  

  • I saw the closing part of the coverage yesterday on zee.

    The anchor babe was really smart and i found her to be quite likeable.

    Her male counterpart was a real dumb a**h***, something like a male mandira

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 05:32  

  • sahir..regarding the supersub...I think Seniors had wrong strategy yesterday also...having primarily a batsman(Vidyut) as supersub and then opting to bat first!

    ..but I agree with vick...we dont need to find an opener...or rather...we need to find more personnel for our middle order

    By Blogger worma, at 05:32  

  • vick,
    It's important to see all options available to the team, which is why I would like to see him open. If he really is in the Sehwag or Dhoni mould, one would love to have the option of opening with him and Sehwag. Should the openers not come off, you would have an extremly solid middle order capable of rotating the strike in the middle overs- Kaif, Tendulkar, Dravid. Not to mention, Yuvraj and Dhoni to finish. Hypothetically, of course...

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:34  

  • The seamers seem to be gaining some control now

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:35  

  • Good to see Parthiv Patel can grow a bit of a beard now :), Uthappa gone!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:36  

  • Maybe Parthiv's powers will come in like Samson :)

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:37  

  • 'The Allrounder'strikes back!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:38  

  • Sahir for now you have atleast 3 regular openers in (Veeru, SRT and ganguly) And after those three there are Gambhir and Jadhav waiting in the wing. Now if you open with Vidyut and he hits couple of centuries here what do you do? You cant accomodate him on top in Indian team and are not sure how he is gonna do in lower middle order. I think management is quite clear about it. Kaif said yesterday that the reason they didnt open with Dhoni yesterday was because they want him to be more comfortable at his usual position. Which means they aint looking for openers. Right now we are looking for allrounders who can be used as super sub.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:42  

  • Take a look at Mohammad Kaif's catching technique; I would kile the rest of the Indian team to do so as well. And I'm not talking about the hands, but as I mentioned yesterday, the feet. Even though the ball was eminently catchable, instead of just relying on his hands to catch the ball, he moved his feet, coming to a split-step (balanced position) before taking the catch. Even slippers can learn a thing or two; the smallest proper step can make a catch so much easier.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:42  

  • sahir..I think our regular slipper are pretty good(not great...except VVS over some periods)..and btw have you seen Kaif in slip...its a ROFL sight!

    By Blogger worma, at 05:44  

  • Just saw Ayaz Memon and L Sivaramakrishnan in the commentary box for the first time. I was disappointed to see that they are also very much like other indian commentators who tend to exaggerate the proceedings and deify players (especially Indian) based on record. e.g. Kaif took a very regular catch of Uthappa but Siva and Memon kept on showering praises on Kaif for having taken a "superb splendid catch" and "what a great fielder Kaif is" and blah blah blah...
    Why can't Indian commentators talk based on performance at the moment rather than keep on harping endlessly about a player's record? One should forbid them to use superlatives :-)

    By Blogger Deepak, at 05:45  

  • J.P. Yadav impresses with the ball. The need of the hour is to find few solid all rounders who can bowl,bat and field as they will play a huge role in the team's success

    By Blogger Crick, at 05:47  

  • worma,
    I agree our slippers have good hands; Dravid good feet as well. Sehwag has brilliant hands, but many of the catches he recently dropped is because he lunges for the ball with his hands without proper footwork. Kaif may look funny in the slips, but it is a specialized position. I was simply noting proper technique.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:47  

  • BTW Team B have way too many guys who can bowl a bit. Mongia, Sriram, Sunny and Pathan. Then they got 4 regular bowlers and 5th as super sub. Should have picked Ravikant Shukla instead of Pathan?

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:48  

  • crick...yep like 'some' great ex-captain of India used to say "boys need to bat well, bowl well and field well" ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:48  

  • vick,
    Point well taken about Vidyut. By the way, I apologize, I did not want to raise a storm by completely forgetting about Ganguly in my hypothetical lineup. Not sure how I managed to do that. The mind plays trick on you, what you wish for...

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:49  

  • sahir...kaif comment was just joke...I think on that day(when he stood in slips) he looked funny...but I would still have bet on him catching anything coming his way!

    and our slip fielders have had a bad match...but in general if you rate them...they are good overall.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:50  

  • .so whats up with B team?..those watching...whats their strategy?....playing out a maiden to AA!..or is he bowling good line?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:51  

  • I dont know what Sriram is doing playing in an ODI. He is of not much use there.

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:52  

  • pathetic all orunder gets another wicket sud have had one of his 1st ball. guys tell do u really think he is that bad when compared the greats like ZK and AN? I mean if he is then why are these guys getting hit around by tail enders. We are going gaga over RP I bet he will be sorted out in a couple of matches and smashed around the park he is a medium pacer and if it doesn't swing god help him. JP may be a medium pacer but he now knows his game well and is a proper attacking batsmen. That is why we must always try and play these 3 AA,IP and JP in the 12 until and unless we get a truly exciting quick bowling prospect. Add another seamer to this between ZK ( if he can sort out his attitude) and AN ( if he can sort out his fitness) or LB (if he can sort out his action ) or any of the other million promising prospects that you guys keep quoting here. Add a spinner and you have a decent bowling attack with a couple of part time spinners in VS,SRT and may be even yuvi. not great but passable.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 05:52  

  • @all
    agarkar delivered the breakthru ... the only way he can do that is with the new ball which is why i insist on him

    i wonder why mongia sent sriram ahead of himself - does he not fancy a comeback ?

    By Blogger GK, at 05:54  

  • Just wondering guys,
    How many looks do we have to get of Sridharan Sriram before the selectors can decide either he's good enough, or not good enough? I'd go with the latter.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:54  

  • Well our fielders are good anywhere and i am not talking about only slips.Most of them are godo catchers.Only thrie ground fileding is pathetic as they tend to run witht he ball instead of cutting it off and throwing the less said the better!!

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:54  

  • The maiden that AA bowled was actually a good over. Sriram is obviously being watchful to begin with, thats his style. Dhawan knows this is a important game for him, he doesnt want to give it away now, after having done 'all the hard work' like Sunny would say.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:54  

  • avinash..why do you have to drag AN here?...his fitness is an issue..but then he is not playing...right? When he does play...he is the closest to a strike bowler we have in subcontinent conditions

    By Blogger worma, at 05:55  

  • @avinash
    agarkar has been more or less destroyed by constant dropping and reselection

    By Blogger GK, at 05:56  

  • Hmmm they aint taking initiative like Jadhav and Gambhir did yesterday. Also Sriram isnt your attacking batsman. Pitch also not as flat as yesterday.
    Shiva is saying Mongia has been consistent in Indian team :))

    By Blogger Vick, at 05:56  

  • thanks mount_cleverest

    By Blogger worma, at 05:56  

  • vick..is this a diff pitch from yesterday? Or just behaving differently?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:57  

  • @sahir
    sriram is not good enuf - realized 4 yrs ago

    @worma
    AN is the most overrated cricketer in the country

    By Blogger GK, at 05:57  

  • vick,
    consistently mediocre, so Siva is not entireley wrong :)

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:58  

  • AA when he gets it right is sight to watch.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 05:59  

  • @bulchee
    yup ... do u remember the amazing slower yorker to bowl marwan atapattu in sharjah 98 ? absolutely magnificent

    By Blogger GK, at 05:59  

  • gk...well I dont know about AN's ratings (I think the country rates ZK, IP over him) but I say from what I see....in unhelpful conditions..he's the one who usually gets the breakthroughs....at the top...and in the middle stages....and has recently been well developed for the death role....so atleast I find him my number one selection in ODIs when fully fit

    By Blogger worma, at 06:00  

  • Tend to agree with Worma on AN, he looks the most likely bowler to get wickets in ODIs, obviously dont get to see him enough in test conditions, for whatever reasons.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 06:01  

  • @worma
    sorry mate ... i have to disagree with u again ... i dont see a place for AN in the ODI side ...

    By Blogger GK, at 06:01  

  • I am expecting Zaheer addressing media today.. How Chappell methods are helping him:)

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 06:01  

  • Bhajji!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:01  

  • mount_cleverest: his fitness doesnt last for five consecutive days ever ;-)

    gk: sure you can disagree...but care to give reasons?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:02  

  • @mount_cleverest
    while i agree that AN has wicket-taking ability he has this hopeless tendency to bowl 1 ball short and wide every over. even when he took 6 in indianoil final he gave 59 runs ... and he was pathetic in the zim final after doing well in the rest of the series.

    and his fielding is downright criminal

    By Blogger GK, at 06:03  

  • Worma its a different pitch and a brand new one. First game being played on it. Dhawan goes. Again dhoni takes a decent catch.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:03  

  • Bhajji getting some turn; flighting it very well; seems to be delieberately slowing it up a little

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:04  

  • @vick
    ah ... now bhajji will pick wickets .. when it comes the time to save his skin

    By Blogger GK, at 06:04  

  • surprised to see Harbhajan getting so much bounce on Dhawan's wicket.

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:05  

  • gk...if that is yr reason for AN not being up to it in ODIs, then AA is equally bad.Only advantage he has is his fielding and catching

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:05  

  • worma as I have mentioned earlier i love to watch AN bowl in full flow. But I think he really needs to sort out his fitness if it means 1 full year of domestic cricket then so be it. I agree with you that at full tilt he is the most impressive of the lot. And I am really annoyed to hear that he doesn't want to play test cricket. In such a case let him retire from tests this kind of chickening out is what I hate.

    GK you are right, but he still has a lot of heart and thats what I like about the guy. His attitude. He was about to become a father but came back mid way on his return to sit in the dressing room. That is the kind of spirit I expect from folks. The guy could have gone back at the start of the 1st day of the 2n test but stuck with the team till as late as possible. He can take this chopping and changing i think, he is strong mentally, thats why he gets so badly tonked around and still keeps coming back.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:05  

  • vick ok...that plus seniors bowling first....makes it diff proposition

    gk: sure he is expensive...as most pace strike bowlers tend to be. But his value is in his wicket taking ability, esp on subcontinet...and remember we dont have many strikers in these conditons. So often, even in recent past, we have seen the entire attack being hopelessly toothless...only Nehra taking wkts

    Yes he did was expensive in finals(not sure if he was 100%) so what...3-4 good games in a row is not bad.

    Ofcourse his fielding is pathetic most of the time...

    By Blogger worma, at 06:06  

  • An atleast in last two series has been most successful. Actually took more wickets than any one else in three teams. An, IP and AA should be the three seamers playing for us. IP should bowl ay aleast 8 of his overs before 30 overs mark. AA and AN should bowl in the death. And JP can be used Super Sub.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:09  

  • Well can someone tell abt Kaifs captaincy today?????

    By Blogger zacked, at 06:09  

  • avinash..AN bowling well is a great site and I am a avid supporter of his place in the team, but I have doubts on his mental strength, a lot of his fitness woes stem from weak mentality which he needs to sort out. he keeps coming back to the team because he is very talented and gifted.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 06:10  

  • Wow, some Bhajji deliveries are really talking; turn and bounce

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:10  

  • ravi 1010 is that not enof he stays fitter and can bat and fields and catches much much better. And for heaven's sake why do we all discuss as if we have only one spot in this team for medium pacer and thats been blocked by AA. See on current form and fitness I think only IP is a reasonable certainity.
    JP must must be persevered with for at least for a couple of series'

    That leaves 2 more spots in the playing 12. I think we must play 5 bowlers and to do that the batting has to be beefed up a little. Hence AA is my choice.

    The last spot would easily go to a fit AN even though he fields poorly and bats pathetically bcoz we are short on good medium pacers and have no true quick. Else try ZK and LB if they improve or any youngster.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:11  

  • GK Bhajji's place is under no threat. I can assure you. Powar is no threat to him.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:11  

  • Zacked,
    Pretty routine captaincy from Kaif; don't think any captain would do it differently

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:12  

  • good shot by Sriram there! stepped out and hit Harbhajan cleanly over the midwicket boundary

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:12  

  • A better judgment on the captaincy can be made during the middle overs. How many fielders does the captain keep up? Are their any catchers? Still actively looking to take wickets?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:14  

  • What about over rate? its just 16 overs in last 1 hour 15 min!

    I mean is it just or its okay over rate?

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 06:16  

  • I think we can play 5 bowlers if we have JP, AA and Pathan in the team. They are good enough cover for a missing batsman. so have 5 batsmen, 6th Dhoni then 3 of these guys 10th Bhajji and 11th AN who can be replaced by a SuperSub(who should be a batting allrounder).

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:18  

  • Well, no international match referees, so I would not expect a good over rate.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:18  

  • vick,
    I like your bowling lineup, but somehow I feel Nehra is not going to make it into the squad for the upcoming ODIs. Just hope Zaheer is not selected.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:20  

  • I for the first time ever saw yesterday Harbhajan doing all these things together 1) running, 2) diving full length and 3)hold your breath, actually stopped the ball!!

    Makes you think that there should always be a sword hanging over these guys heads to put in their 100%.

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:20  

  • Vick..you forget, Bhajji likes to call hiself a middle order batsman as well ;-)

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 06:21  

  • bhajji is playing against the B team.. do not get over excited..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 06:22  

  • TOI reported today that GC spent a lot of time with bhajji in the training ground over the last couple of days, the two were seen joking and 'hugging' each other.

    Bhajji is not 'insecure' anymore perhaps!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 06:23  

  • mongia luky to survive that lbw appeal

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:26  

  • I agree with ArunLal here. You gotta go after JP. you are not gonna get too many bad balls from him. He may be the guy we were looking who will bowl 8-10 overs for 45 odd runs with a wicket or two thrown in.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:27  

  • mount_cleverest: bhajji was never insecure...his comments (if they were true) were for the team...and a personal allegation against him...but I dont think his ODI place was in doubt....however we may criticise him from here :-)

    and deepak...Harbhajan is a decent fielder by any standards...I dont think its right to paint our entire team with the same brush of 'poor fielders'

    By Blogger worma, at 06:28  

  • So far, in all the 3 teams, Yadav has been the most impressive bowler. But what is worrying, though, is that he is very monotonous, bowls the same line and length all the time with a predictable in-cutter (for a RH batsman). Can be easily sorted out.

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:30  

  • Sahir i dont know whats the status of AN's injury. The replacement of him in playing eleven may be Karthik. Or we may see VRV's debut. ZN could may get in as 4th seamer in 15.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:30  

  • Ridiculous over rate they are going at...If match goes full length, may end tomorrow morning...12 AM(IST)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:31  

  • deepak thats what we need from JP just bowl one line. Let the batsmen take risk if they wanna hit him. A little acuracy is gonna improve his chances of success even more.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:33  

  • vick I doubt if ZK would get into 15...he was dropped for a reason(I presume?) and since then hasn't done too much too merit a recall. A couple of decent spells against poor Zim is not too much to show, right?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:33  

  • Deepak, JP bowls a lot like Gavin larsen and Harris of NZ, even Brian McMillan was somewhat similar a wee bot quicker perhaps. None of them ever got sorted out enough to have been blasted out of the attack. Good, disciplined, sensible bowling never goes out of vouge.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 06:33  

  • worma,
    I'm assuming Ganguly's vote for Zaheer will count for something?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:34  

  • Why are these commentators so badly informed? They are calling sunny singh some allrounder even though he avg 55 in domestic ODI. Then they are missing that SK Nair is a batsman too and so is Yousuf pathan.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:36  

  • sahir...well it didn't count for the Zim triseries..did it? To the 'blind ganguly supporter' like me..it does seem that SG has some rationale in backing players...and its not just blind faith.

    btw...SG gets a vote only if he is made captain on 13th...u see that happening?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:37  

  • Macmillan was much faster than that mate Mount.Ya JP should be gone after but its not easy,especailly with the keeper standing up that will be really difficult.Especially as short of good lenght is difficult to hit out.Glocusthire with Mark Alleyne and Ian Harvy doign the same job with Russsel as keeper won about 5 domestic one day tournament in 7 years.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:37  

  • Is anybody else listening to the bakvaas between Srinath and Shiva?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:37  

  • This one is the killer - Srinath asks Siva "Both Badani and Mongia are good batsmen and also bowl a little bit. Why can't they find a place in the Indian team?". Siva says "Too much talent at the same time to pick from"!!!

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:38  

  • Rahul Dravid became father today. Got a son

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:38  

  • worma,
    I would be highly surprised, even shocked, if Ganguly is not made captain on the 13th. And if Ashish Nehra is not in the squad, I expect Zaheer to be there.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:39  

  • Worma,
    If AN is injured who are your 4 seamers gonna be?
    IP
    AA
    are there. But who else? Bala didnt impress at all yesterday.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:40  

  • Brother SK Nair has 5 wicket hauls in first class cricket .That surely measn he is allrounder

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:40  

  • Vick, may be you are right. JP was, if I remember correctly, the most economical bowler in the Zim tri series. Let's see how he shapes up in the future....

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:41  

  • The Chota Wall cometh!!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 06:41  

  • deepak,
    that would be the bakvaas I was referring to. I'm a good batsman in my local games and happen to bowl some left arm spin. Why can I not make it to the Indian team, Srinath?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:42  

  • The lady is on to bowl

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:42  

  • For those not watching, there was sign up that says Kartik's hair makes him look like a lady. Ought to cut it, not quite grown like Dhoni's or Yadav's.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:44  

  • But then Sahir he hasnt seen u bowl!!If he sees then you can be sure your name might be discussed in AIR

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:44  

  • sahir: lets see...I have a strong feeling it wont happen (SG captain on 13th). And ZK dropped even from this squad has some indications, no? As I said...why didn't SG pick him for triseries? Since then, SG's vote and ZK's performance has got weaker, not stronger

    vick...tough...if AN misses out...RP(rem he is already on the fringe...or rather he is already in our ODI squad...so not picking him is dropping!) and maybe VRV..lets see how he gets the second game. I myself dont like Balaji in ODIs (never really had a very good period..did he?). Also his bowling style, to me, seems to be of attack of persistence outside off...not much ODI style variations in pace and line-length...actually perfect for tests

    Btw...do you see ZK making a comeback?...unless seniors reach the final, he gets to play...takes a 5 wkt haul! (still tough)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:45  

  • Srinath we dont care who played for counties. Shut Up.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:47  

  • those watching...hows the field give to bhajji today? seems to be in a more attacking mode

    By Blogger worma, at 06:50  

  • Yeah ZK's come back seems remote for now. Only way he can come back is if SG as captain insists on picking him. Though i am quite sure ZK will be back soon.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:50  

  • I am surprised that Kartik's bowling has been very ordinary. Yesterday he was hammerred and today in the one over he has bowled so far, he has bowled the same delivery (pitched on the off and drifting to the middle and leg) and batsmen have easily nudged him towards square leg for a single all the time

    By Blogger Deepak, at 06:50  

  • I'd like to see the introduction of a pinch hitter, Yusuf Pahan, should a wicket fall. Would be a good test to see if he is capable of upping the run rate when asked.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:51  

  • yeah Bhajji even had a silly point earlier. Now its quite spread out.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:51  

  • @all
    just back and nice to see that HS is the most expensive

    By Blogger GK, at 06:51  

  • Hmm Worma what did u make of Shikar Dhawan and Uthappa?

    By Blogger bulchee, at 06:51  

  • real bad fielding today. BEST fielder YUVI drops an easy one.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:52  

  • @sahir
    is yusuf a pincher ? id like to see pathan v pathan too

    By Blogger GK, at 06:53  

  • worma,
    The field placing for Bhajji seems pretty similar. The difference, IMO, is him being slower through the air; a little more flight and Sriram and Mongia, for the most part, unwilling to take him on.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:53  

  • @sahir
    im back after an hour and sriram seems to have stepped up a bit and mongia doing okay ...

    By Blogger GK, at 06:55  

  • deepak,
    I'm not sure why you are surprised at Murali Kartik's performance. It's what I've grown accustomed to seeing from him now.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:55  

  • vick Though i am quite sure ZK will be back soon. : do you mean this in a positive way?..that he will prove himself and be back?...or the other way?..btw..he's still in the test squad where combinations start changing. IP, Bala and Zk have the fight for two places...and at home...its always a three way fight with no automatic choices (hope ZK picks himself and gets back well in tests atleast)

    bulchee...havent been watching mate....so dunno what to make of them.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:56  

  • gk,
    Yeah, they are batting sensibly. Simply taking the singles on offer and preserving wickets for the death. Advisable, considering the lack of depth in the India B batting lineup.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:56  

  • rush of blood, Mongia gone, well caught by Yadav

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:58  

  • The more I see of Yadav, the more I like.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:58  

  • @sahir
    u r rite ... why has mongia been given such an imbalanced side ?

    By Blogger GK, at 06:59  

  • hmm...Mongia, Badani, Laxman all making the selectors think....although of all...it seems Laxman played the most fluently(from what I read)...but then the other two have more ODI flexibility...tough choices...with JP already there...SRT back...

    By Blogger worma, at 06:59  

  • Ganguly/JW combo dropped LAX for Dinesh Mongia..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 07:00  

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