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Wednesday, November 23, 2005

The final act(-worma)

Is of inclusion of Saurav Ganguly in the squad for first test against Sri Lanka. As the elevation of Dravid to captaincy, this one's also on expected lines, to me atleast. Whether he deserved it can be argued, but not his inclusion, because of his performance in the tests in Zimbabwe and which means waiting for him to fail substantially before dropping him. And now, the ball is most definitely, and with complete finality, in his court (ofcourse if he makes it to the playing XI).

The difference between him being selected, and Zaheer being 'dropped' (with both performing fairly ok in domestic matches, enough to suggest atleast no further decline in form) is probably that Zaheer did not do well in his last international outing. But even then, that comes as a surprise to me. RP Singh, while definitely improving, could have been tried further in ODIs.

Balaji is also missing, even from the Tamil Nadu Ranji opener. Not sure if he's fit, since last week read him saying he was raring to go.

And in continuation of slightly strange statements coming from More, after what we discussed yesterday, comes this reason for Ganguly's selection
The selectors decided that he had done well as an allrounder recently and chose to pick him as a bowling allrounder.
But probably that's how he's being judged now? I don't know what to make of this. Sure he's taking a few wickets in domestic matches (4 wicket out of 5 in recent Ranji match against Maharashtra) but this still sounds strange. If only for the fact that in the last few test seasons we've seen him as a specialist batsman only.

But I still wonder...have we heard the last of 'it all'...anyway....flame on :-)

Update: just when I thought this doesn't get any stranger, the cricinfo story is updated (and the earlier quote above is missing) with the full explanation. And Zaheer missed because of SG being chosen as an allrounder!
Kiran More, the chairman of selectors, added that Zaheer Khan missed out because Ganguly would provide a bowling option.

"We thought we'll use him as a batting allrounder in the team," said More while addressing the press. "We discussed it for a long time and after deliberations we decided to have him in the team as an allrounder. It will give more comfort to the team balance."
While justifying RP's selection thus, he again, sort of, tried to make the point that Zaheer wasn't fighting for a place with RP, but with, SG!
"RP Singh has done well in the one-dayers and we have found a few young bowlers who are promising. If they perform well in domestic cricket, they will definitely get opportunities. We missed out on Zaheer Khan also. He's performed outstandingly in domestic cricket and it was a tough call to leave him out. Also, we consider Ganguly as an allrounder, that's why Zaheer Khan has missed out."

365 Comments:

  • all rounder / non all rounder - how does it matter?? I mean he's not a new guy who's just come in ... I am sure dravid / chappel know what he is / is not capable of and will use him accordingly (if at all)

    By Blogger vcoolhead, at 04:26  

  • worma, can u change it, cricinfo corrected it to batting all rounder.

    hoho, Pak r 108/3 !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:27  

  • Yeah, Ganguly has been taking wickets here and there in domestic matches. Perfect time to begin grooming him as an all-rounder, especially for the test arena, given his age and all.

    I almost wish More wouldn't give any explanation for Ganguly's selection. That way we could just speculate reasons and live under the false belief that the selectors are an enlightened body who make rational decisions.

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 04:28  

  • it matters. selecting him as an allrounder implies he is no longer considered good enuf to make it as a batsman. clearly this was forced by jaggu on the selectors. i look forward to see if GC-RD pick him in the playing X1

    By Blogger GK, at 04:28  

  • good, england still not giving up. i must say SG wudnt do much worse than zaheer with the ball ... given zaheers performance last year or so

    By Blogger GK, at 04:30  

  • i have no doubt that SG will be in the playing XI. juwt as More said, ganguly will be useful as a 3rd seamer in Chennai. although IMO, he needs to be picked either way ahead of kaif/yuvi.

    the main problem is having a squad of 14, 15, 16 instead of 12 !!!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:31  

  • It is going to be interesting. The batting line up will be the key.

    My guess is - Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, MS Dhoni, Ganguly, Pathan, Agarkar, Harbhajan, Kumble

    If he disagrees with the above line up, he is sure to get dropped!

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:32  

  • Yes, that what we all are waiting for, if he makes it to the XI. Actually it kills the balance IMO of the team. We all know he is not a great bowler to term as an all-rounder (well, he can bowl 4-5 overs to ease the other specialists but SA batters will prefer him bowling than HS,MK,AK or IF even AA. His batting is what am waiting to watch - how he plays agains Nel and CO., that is if he makes it to the XI. This might be the last international match he plays.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 04:32  

  • ravi
    m not so sure. GC clearly didnt think he deserved a place in zim and RD is not one to be too sentimental when it comes to team selection

    By Blogger GK, at 04:32  

  • man, darell hair is just being silly here !!! how can the warning hold for the entire team when 1 batsman runs down the pitch ?!?! is that the rule....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:33  

  • gk: whether good enuf or not, allrounder or not will only be proven on the field of play .. what anyone considers or thinks is not really important ... the key thing here is that there is no longer the captaincy shield - making performance the only criterion in deciding whether he continues to be in the team or not

    By Blogger vcoolhead, at 04:33  

  • 1. The all-rounder tag is to ensure there is justification in selecting him in the final 11 ahead of Laxman, Yuvraj or Kaif. His 25 wickets in test career is the sole measurable evidence he has something better and measurable to offer than these three.

    2. Though why we needed another batting all-rounder in the team when we have Sachin (38 wickets and better average) I can't explain. What will we do with six bowlers in a test match?

    Ravi Abhyankar

    By Blogger Ravi Abhyankar, at 04:33  

  • Sharpant,

    SG wouldnt be playing against SA..he has been selected for the test match against SL.

    Your points are valid though.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 04:34  

  • ravi krishan: yep updated the post

    By Blogger worma, at 04:35  

  • Sharpanth...SG is for the SL series...not for SA ODIs

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:35  

  • vshan.. if SG has to bat that low, why not send him aftr IP?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:35  

  • how can ppl still contemplate the possibility of SG being picked ove VVS i cant understand. VVS is as much an automatic choice as VS, RD and SRT in the test side

    By Blogger GK, at 04:37  

  • My guess is Ganguly has been chosen in the team so that the kolkata ODI goes fine. If there was no match in kolkatta, I bet Ganguly would not have been in the squad. 15 for a home test series is ridiculous

    By Blogger prabhu, at 04:37  

  • no way SG bats below dhoni !!! when dhoni hasn't even proved himself at the test level.

    & we r unlikely to play 5 bowlers, if we do, SG won't play ahead of VVS anyways.

    actually all this discussion may be irrelevant as the chennai match may be rained out for all we know !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:38  

  • prabhu
    yes. a perfect example of some crackpot fans holding a whole nation hostage. again i wonder why some mumbai ppl dont do the same to get powar included in the side

    By Blogger GK, at 04:39  

  • gk: agreed...Lax is an automatic choice in test matches.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:39  

  • My...my...If SG is dropped there is chaos...If he is removed from captaincy...there is chaos.....if he gets picked...there is chaos....if he makes it to the playing XI, there will be chaos...if he does not...there will be chaos....Amazing,how one man can draw so much attention...Goes to prove that SG has left his mark on Indian cricket...for good or for bad...more good than bad.way to go Dada :D

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:40  

  • ravi
    u r absolutely rite

    By Blogger GK, at 04:41  

  • Zaheer khan should have been picked instead of RP. But, GC didnt want him so KM is giving all sorts of reasons to exclude Zaheer. Its very obvious that SG was picked because of the board pressure and just to give reasons KM has labelled him as an allrounder. The reasons given out to the media is hardly true.

    By Blogger Hemal, at 04:41  

  • In my opinion....having SG as an allrounder (if the team management indeed seriously decide this, and its not just a needless cover statement) means the option of playing 3 spinners in *certain cases*...so he would open with IP then. Ofcourse its still more likely that we would go with 2 regular seamers and 2 regular spinners, esp against SL (since we wont prepare overly spinning tracks for them)...but atleast that option is there

    By Blogger worma, at 04:41  

  • if SG is not picked in the XI, thatz a grave insult to india's most successful captain. I hope this does not happen. Let him fail & drop him & having him in the 15 & not playing him in the XI will be quite bad i must say.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:43  

  • Ok,
    that was a typo, against SL in tests.

    It anyway makes the same story. If he is not sure agains minnows, then Vaas, Murali will make him dance. Its really sad, how I enjoyed SG coming down the track and hitting Muralis of the world for a six. He should have a better farewell, but only HE IS TO BLAME for that.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 04:44  

  • Worma...even if we go with only 2 spinners and have to include YS or MK, SG would still have to open with IP as AA will not have a place in the team.Assuming RP and Murali are anyway not being considered for the playing XI

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:45  

  • hemal
    maybe zaheer deserved to be picked but i dont care, i really hate that guy

    worma
    this team is for just 1 test. how do u define "certain circumstances" ? chennai has traditionally been a very good wicket, not a dustbowl to play 3 spinners on plus it is gonna be raining - maybe the pitch will have some life ?

    ravi
    the idea of picking a team is to win matches, not to prevent players from being insulted

    By Blogger GK, at 04:46  

  • hemal, how do u expect KM to give the true reasons !!! u expect him to say i'm scared of the calcutta crowd ;)

    but even if we pick 2 pacers + 2 spinners, we can rotate the 2 pacers and SG to bowl 15-20 overs before bringing on AK & HS. so makes sense for SG to play in the XI.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:47  

  • People.. are the selectors going to meet yet again and pick the teams for the last two tests? Selectors sure are enjoying thier free junkets...

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:48  

  • would love to be a fly on the wall in the Indian dressing room for the first SL India test... :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:49  

  • ravi
    clearly only one of YS, MK and SG will play. otherwise it will be stupidity

    By Blogger GK, at 04:50  

  • With VS,GG,RD,SRT,VVS,MSD,IP,AK selecting themselves, the choice for the 3 vacancies would be between SG,YS,MK,AA and HS....Do u read the message....Guys who have been SG *backers* are made to fight for a place with SG....What better way to create uneasiness and then blame it on SG...Selectors did not have a choice...but I can see the jigsaw puzzle falling in place

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:51  

  • galli
    i wish we get to hear from prems sources what actually happened at the meeting. worma, that likely to happen ?

    By Blogger GK, at 04:52  

  • yea gk, what is going to change from now to the 1st test? can the selectors, RD & GC decide the who will play among SG, MK and YS - assuming GG is fixed. of course VS, RD< SRT and VVS r fixed.

    don't they already know who'll make it to the XI....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:52  

  • ravi
    pity ur cynical brain

    By Blogger GK, at 04:53  

  • ravi: what makes you think YS and MK are certainty in the lineup?

    gk: thats what I meant..if this allrounder thing is a serious thinking on team management part...then they are proabably preparing for those situations...ofcourse this team is for first test...but the planning, in case they are serious, would be for long-term..no? So if SG gets a look into XI...his bowling would be judged (ofcourse batting too) so as to see if that can be used as a specialist option in long term. If he's not picked in playing XI then anyway he's going to be there in next match also?

    By Blogger worma, at 04:54  

  • worma cricinfo has corrected themselves ganguly has been chosen a batting allrounder as said by more

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:55  

  • Remember, dravid was in the selection meeting - am sure he would have had his say. And the good thing is that there are enough batsmen in the list to make sure that ganguly playing in the XI is not a given ... i guess, we can all credit dravid with enough intelligence to make a rational selection of who he wants on the field in the test

    By Blogger vcoolhead, at 04:55  

  • perhaps there might be surprise with SG opening !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:55  

  • above comment was not to ravi krishnan, was to the other ravi

    ravi krishnan,
    of course GG is fixed why wudnt he be ?
    the squad is fixed as follows
    GG
    VS
    RD
    SRT
    VVS
    ?
    MSD
    IP
    AA
    HS
    AK

    only 1 spot is vacant and SG, MK, YS are fighting for it

    By Blogger GK, at 04:56  

  • GK.. or the selectors, in thier infinite wisdom, may go this route

    SG
    VS
    RD
    SRT
    VVS
    MSD
    AA
    IP
    AK
    HS
    MK

    lol

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 04:58  

  • well in the last 2-3 years the middle order was so stable that openers r usually the scapegoat and first to get the axe. i'm not saying that will happen though.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 04:58  

  • gk...nothing cynical abt it...it is just putting it in a different perspective...Well!! cynical i syr perpective...reading between the lines is mine ;).

    Worma...YS ...in good form in the ODI's and MKs non inclusion in the test team in ZIm was the cause of this ruckus.If MK is not in...SG's stand gets vindicated.If YS is dropped, sends the wrong signals to performing players....Too much on RD's plate...Will wait and watch how he bites the bullet

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:58  

  • worma
    the scenario u r talking abt will come into play only on dustbowls like mumbai 2004. other than that SG can never be good enuf to open the bowling.

    ravi k,
    why on earth wud anyone contemplate disturbing the very successful opening partnership of GG and VS ?

    By Blogger GK, at 05:00  

  • IMO, RD will SG a last chance...

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:00  

  • ravi: From the ZIM test team...yuv would be dropped for SRT coming in. Surely no wrong signal there? And ODI is separate issue. There are many good players in ODI team waiting for their chances in tests. Happens all the time, and with many countries.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:01  

  • WASIM JAFFER 142
    AMOL MUZUMDAR 66

    Lets Go MUMBAI!!!!

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:01  

  • didn't we disturb the succesful opening combo of chopra-sehwag in Pak to accomodate YS ? same way.... strange are the ways of indian cricket. it won't happen of course because GG is in cracking form.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:02  

  • all,
    im convinced GC and RD will not spring any shock, as i see it the spots 1-5 and 7-11 are fixed and only #6 is open. and thats the way it shud be

    By Blogger GK, at 05:02  

  • uh oh. did I digress ? :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:03  

  • People..hallucinating!

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:03  

  • gk: not neessarily on dustbowls. We played 3 spinners against SA at Kanpur. Also against Aus in Kolkata(or Chennai?) in 2001. So...depends on the opposition..and on team strategy. And SG can open the bowling anytime. In such situations theres not much demand on such an opener anyway. If I remember correctly SRT opened the bowling with seam-up variety against Aus

    By Blogger worma, at 05:03  

  • Did any one observe that in all the chaos AA has made his typical silent comeback and unless something drastic happens in the next 2 ODIS like he bowling very poorly or RP doing out this world he is certain of a place in the 1st test 11. The team would be

    VS
    GG
    RD
    SRT
    VVS
    SG
    MSD
    IP
    AA
    HS
    AK

    Really strong batting, not sure if we are a little light on the quick bowling front.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 05:03  

  • Worma...agreed..but if ODI is a different issue, RPS should not have been in the team...ZK or AN should have been the logical inclusion. ODIs and Tests go hand in hand...We are yet to move out of that mould...otherwise, GG would not have a place in the ODIs

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:03  

  • I have often wondered what it is that:

    1.Makes a wide ball in a ODI a normal ball in a test match.

    2.make 100 overs (in the past 120 overs)a day a norm in an ODI, and everyone is surprised they now have to bowl 90 in a test match.

    3.makes a player found to be out of form, with an attitude problem, suspect on fitness for an ODI; still qualify to play in a test match.

    Ravi Abhyankar

    By Blogger Ravi Abhyankar, at 05:04  

  • guys,
    gor SG fans:
    just got back from the match being played in pune. saw SG take 4 wickets and get the ball to do things on a wicket that is as dead as elvis.
    for Sg hatrers:
    why the fack would you select Sg as an all rounder when he has 10000 runs yada yada yada.?
    either ways in this case i really want him to do well . as someone earlier pointed out both greg and rd know what heis capable of. lets all of us support him. if he fails he fails. if he suceeds i think he deserves to. either ways we will all know soon enough. ab dilli door nahin!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:05  

  • Worma.. this just in.. Selectors think VS not taking enuf responsibility... So in addition to being vice captain and opening bat, he will be opening the bowling... This, said the selectors, will be a good test of how much progress MSD has made with his glovework and whether the India cap fits him or not...

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:05  

  • Ravi K: Dropping of Aakash to accomodate YS was a horrendous act of favourtism. Dont see that happening under the current regime.

    By Blogger Mount_Cleverest, at 05:06  

  • hey galli
    are you from bombay?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:06  

  • ravi: yeah RPS should not have been in tests so soon. Nothing against him...but he can wait, IMO. AN is injured...he said he was tagetting Pak series for comeback. ZK should have been in. And its ridiculous of More to say SG took that spot. Again just IMO.

    And btw..ODI and test do go hand in hand...but slightly over long run. Look at how long it took for Yuv to claim a test berth. Thats the right kind of timeframe. Even Dhoni had to perform for quite a while to get a look in. GG's case, while he's been in tests for a while, is different because his shift is from test to ODIs. IMO that is a 'lesser' move since I give more importance and value to a test spot.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:07  

  • yeppers.. in mumbai now on a work related trip

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:07  

  • worma
    true but that will happen very rarely. chennai 2001 was 4 yrs back and we had Srinath, AA injured. kanpur last year if IP was not injured he wud have played

    By Blogger GK, at 05:08  

  • I would really appreciate the decision of inclusion of SG in the squad, though not a Pro of SG. The only thing which comes to my mind is he is a treat to watch when he is on song.. And every one would agree to that.. Apart from the recent failures in both forms of the game, he has done nothing wrong and he is trying to come out of that patch and he is genuine enough to show some spirit to come back.. I would strongly apprehend that he would perform well in the test series and cement his position in the ODI squad also.. For all reasons he's a great player and has been a revelation of Indian Cricket.. He is no lesser to any other legends of indian cricket...

    By Blogger chandru of kulitalai gumbal, at 05:09  

  • I guess all this discussion would not have taken place but for Kiran More's eagerness to gain media attention....He needs to shut up and leave the judgement to intelligent bloggers like us...Wonder how many of us would have been able to pull out the 'allrounder' tag from our hats

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:10  

  • hehe they're discussing Eng tour of India on Sky Sports about the locations etc. this is going to be fun :D

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:10  

  • worma
    zaheer vs rps is a debatable issue but i dont like zaheer at all, so im not complaining

    By Blogger GK, at 05:11  

  • But Ganguly would get bored of waiting for his turn to bat! ;-)

    That is going to be another contentious dressing room discussion. Man - I can feel the unease in the dressing room - with GC, Ganguly in the same place not looking eye to eye!

    And 15 members for a test on home ground - LOL! There cannot be a bigger insult than this for Ganguly. An appendage to the team forced by the board mandarins and message is clear. He is the unwanted 15th member. How sad!

    And of course he will not HAVE to bowl. Who knows - he may pick up 14/15 wickets in this test series. *LOL*

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:11  

  • gk: probably IP would have played in place of Khan in Kanpur...anyway its a useful strategy. Esp against a team like Eng...play them on good spin tracks (not the mumbai variety though) with 3 spinners

    By Blogger worma, at 05:11  

  • give RDs wicket keeping background, the team for the last two tests should be

    RD ( wicketkeeping all rounder/captain)
    MSD ( wicketkeeping all rounder )
    Parthiv P ( wicketkeeping all rounder )
    Dk ( wicketkeeping all rounder)
    VS ( batting all rounder)
    SRT ( batting all rounder)
    YS ( batting all rounder)
    SG ( batting all rounder)
    IP ( bowling all rounder)
    AA ( bowling all rounder)
    HS ( bowling all rounder)

    XII person : J. jayalalitha ( all rounder)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:12  

  • ravi
    too true, but lets not forget more has made a lot of good decisions recently. also it cud be his frustration at being pressurised by jaggu that forced him to make this comment

    By Blogger GK, at 05:13  

  • ravi krishnan: can you please update us on what the discussion is?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:13  

  • well well well galli,we might as well be from say eng and australia! i will explain. i am a die hard maharashtra fan and to put it nicely you(bom) have raped us well for the past decade or so. this year i am expecting a role reversal thanks to our australian coach and the players we stole from mumbai!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:14  

  • galli
    that was really hilarious

    By Blogger GK, at 05:14  

  • galli u r funny man......

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:15  

  • vshan,
    LOL. I wonder if we will get juicy stories from the MSM about SG going to dinner alone and no one getting along with him like we got earlier in SL

    By Blogger GK, at 05:17  

  • gk...Do u really believe that More is making all those statements...Even at the risk of being called cynical...IMO, all that is being said and done has the explicit stamp of GC written all over...He has the Committee by their "B***s"...and the SL victories has only ensured that the grip has tightened...and More also knows which side of the bread is buttered...West Zone...Sharad Pawar...Bindra....Feels lousy to get back to discussing this muck..but that is the way it is

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:18  

  • thanks gk..

    k-slice... I am looking forward to how maharastra perform this year as i am as excited as you are with the whole aussie coach/trade players from other teams path.. Just shows mah is desperate to win the ranji and that is good..
    and i did my education from your neck of the woods so nehru stadium and deccan gymkhana are soft spots for me 2 :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:19  

  • ksr,
    applause applause

    By Blogger GK, at 05:19  

  • well, this was from a ECB representative John Carr in Faisalabad. He said ECB was mainly concerned with logistics of travel across different venues. So they have requested interchanging ODI venues/dates to make travel easier. About the warm-up games, he was saying traveling to Jamshedpur, Agartala and Dharmasala may not be very easy (in his words - acessible) for the English team. no mention of media/tourists but just the team. Also, when asked about playing warm-ups in Pak, he said ECB has no intention of doing that. He said if BCCI goes ahead with the schedule s is, ECB has no choice but to accept it.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:20  

  • ravi
    what in this team makes u feel that GC is calling the shots ?

    By Blogger GK, at 05:20  

  • ravi k,
    nice to hear. now only if the bcci gets its house in order first as regards scheduling it wud be really good

    By Blogger GK, at 05:22  

  • gk,
    i agree. knowing more to be as shrewd as he is i feel he is calling SG a batting all rounder only to point out the pure pig headedness of jaggu in forcing them to select him. specially aftyer mahindra went and barked his bollocks off about how Sg cant miss the boat etc. i still think that whatever has happened has happened. instead of already saying SG will fail lets atleast give him a chance.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:22  

  • gk.. with SG and GC in the same dressing room..no one will be calling the shots.. just taking pot shots.. at each other :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:22  

  • i think he feels that way based on comments made by More....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:23  

  • ravi, thanks for that update. Carr is the ECB representative who was in India and met BCCI for this whole dicussion.

    I think he is spot on. Those are exactly the areas which I had in mind, and which I think ECB can negotiate with BCCI, and which BCCI are in a position to modify.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:23  

  • breaking news.... Abhijit kale claims SG paid KM to make it into the Indian team.. says he passed on tips to Sg as to how to go about it... prior to the toss today. :))

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:25  

  • Batting allrouder, give me a break. After all we realise now that the Kiran More committee does not have the balls. This is more of a case of BCCI politics intervening in the selection process. Better way would have been to include the guy in the team and for Kiran More to shut his pie hole. The SG pattas Yuvraj/Kaif have eventually comeback to bite him in the ass.
    Now the questions is if the batting allrounder will bat after Dhoni or before.
    On a serious note Agarkar's inclusion does not warrant merit either ahead of Zaheer and Balaji who did well in the recently concluded Duleep matches.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 05:25  

  • in return ganguly did this

    AV Kale c Lahiri b Ganguly 33

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:25  

  • k-slice
    of course. if i was selector i wud have picked SG anyway. not that i wud have been too happy abt it becoz i really dont like the bloke. but i do think he deserves to be picked. but pressure tactics from jaggu, buddhadeb, bengali film industry and some common kolkatans are just pathetic. these are very nearly terrorists

    By Blogger GK, at 05:26  

  • hey galli,
    did you play in pune?
    well in that case i forgiveyou snooty mumbaikars!!
    yeah i saw the team practice yesterday and even fat boy kale was running around like he had a rottweiler chasing him. holder seems to be less bullshit than even chappel and that in itslef is a miniscule amount!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:27  

  • galli
    whats the latest in ranji trophy ?

    By Blogger GK, at 05:27  

  • Actually I think the ODI schedule is plain silly.... BCCI can surely modify and make it gepgraphically closer. it will even tire the indian team.

    Goa, Indore, Guwahati, Faridabad, Cuttack, Kochi, Vizag - matches every 3rd day !!!

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:27  

  • Well...Poor Dravid..he does not deserve this....SG is a hot potato and we have all heard the saying 'A leopard does not cjange its spot'

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 05:28  

  • ramshorns
    agarkar did well in the odis he played - what abt that ?

    By Blogger GK, at 05:29  

  • I would even label Zaheer Khan as an all-rounder over Ganguly. He has a proven bowling record in tests, unlike SG, and he can be labelled a batsman as much as Ganguly can be called a bowler.

    I'm not saying we should include Zaheer as an all-rounder, or include him at all even. Just saying that this could be a cheap way to justify any player's inclusion and hence is BS.

    : )

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 05:31  

  • ravi: what I think is that the same region ODIs can be clubbed together...so Kochi, Vizaz, Cuttack, Guwahati, Faridabad, Indore, Goa in that order...is just an example

    By Blogger worma, at 05:31  

  • so if SG scores a 100 in his ranji match, KM is correct, or else KM will change his statement to call SG a bowling all-rounder - lol

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:31  

  • k-slice,

    playing in pune des not make me any less snooty mate :)
    we mumbaikars are like that only.. did i tell u that we have won 36 ranji trophies.. to your 1.. :)

    gk..none of the ranji scores are updated on the CI site.. so cant help u there

    last scores Mah 184/6
    Mum 236/2
    Indian eves 289 and 94/2 poms 154
    haryana 194/6
    railways 176/4

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:32  

  • IND-SL is the last test for SG, so he good tell the world his official goodbye, after another low score.

    By Blogger krishkannan, at 05:32  

  • worma, my guess is that is what the BCCI will eventually do.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:33  

  • Worma: I think that is a practical solution. But give it a couple seasons, some region or other will feel that it has not had its fair share and create a riot.. that system would be vulnerable to that kind of criticism if it happened. Call it lack of foresight that matches will come their way in due time (we hope).

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 05:33  

  • ilovecricket
    RD may be a gentleman but he can be firm now that he is in charge. he will not tolerate any politicking from SG esp with GC to back him

    By Blogger GK, at 05:34  

  • k-slice.. sollow up question.. punyat kuthe? :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:34  

  • sidhant: but noone is asking for 'changing' the venues. Its just the right sequence to minimise travel. Venues are chosen on rotation..and that should continue

    By Blogger worma, at 05:35  

  • Board diktat just in.. all pies, eggs, pancakes, tomatoes and other food articles are meant for consumption only.. any player/coach found tossing/throwing it at each other will be severely reprimanded..

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 05:36  

  • also John Carr clarified that there is no safety issues or quality concerns with any of the venues.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:37  

  • Dear Bloggers:
    Just finished checking the status on the Ranji Game. SG bowled 17 overs with 4 wickets. More overs bowled than any one. The batting allrounder to begin with has shown such a commitment on the field as a player to TEAM INDIA as he is showing to Bengal would never been in this position where other non-cricketing entities with pot bellies will be lobbying for his place. Your thoughts????

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 05:38  

  • Guys,

    Still the Calcuttans would still protest in the next ODI and also would disrupt, for them SG should be in the team/BCCI till he is 80

    By Blogger krishkannan, at 05:39  

  • Worma: What about this scenario? One zone gets to host Australia and and Pakistan in a 2-3 year period. Another only gets say Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Given that we see these types of "zonal bias" issues with player selection so regularly, isnt it possible that the latter zone is likely to take offense and start lobbying against your proposed system?

    By Blogger Sidhant, at 05:41  

  • What about KM's comments yesterday? -

    Replying to persistent questions on the reason for sacking Ganguly, More said, "Sourav has not performed that well. We do acknowledge that he scored a century against Zimbabwe, but we are not very happy with his performance during the last two to three years."

    "Looking at the overall performance of Sourav, we are not happy," he said.

    KM has completely lost it....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:41  

  • ravi krishnan:
    do not worry reading KM comments. he and his committee goofed up big time by doing a 180 and you know why???? he should have shut his stinking mouth and let nair read out the team for us.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 05:46  

  • Guys, see this interesting article that appeared 4 days ago.

    http://cricketpunjab.com/current01.htm

    It was written with some great "inputs"

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 05:47  

  • good move by selectors to inculde ganguly

    By Blogger idli vade, at 05:48  

  • chucklitharan:
    chuckling!!!!!

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 05:49  

  • am sure a new chapter will start in the indian cricket.
    ganguly will score a big 100 because there is no burden of captaing the side. i hv always thought that captaiacy was the cause for his poor run over the last few years

    By Blogger idli vade, at 05:50  

  • chuck: I thought that he was the cause for his poor run. lol

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 05:50  

  • we need some like gangly to combat the legendary chucker chucklitharan. only gangly can take him on..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 05:50  

  • last few years?? he was quite good till the start of last season. he just screwed the while of last season.....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:52  

  • chuckli:
    let's hope so. are you the tami guy in disguise by any chance. some of the typos appear familiar. just curious. stay put. no problem.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 05:53  

  • srilankns have a promising chucker in lasitha maalinga.. laxman and sehwag will take him on. and gungu will take on the legendary chucker

    By Blogger idli vade, at 05:53  

  • he had highest average in 2002 tour of WI, 3rd highest avg in tour of Eng in 2002, got 144 in Aus, 77 in 3rd test in Pak. only last season was a total disaster for him.....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:53  

  • chuckli, even jeff thomson had a side-on slinging action... malinga is fine IMO.

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 05:55  

  • Don’t go by what More says…he has to flip-flop according to what his masters say. Ganguly being batting allrounder is a joke. He had actually stopped bowling even in one days because of his back (supposedly!). Anyway I don’t fancy him taking wickets against SL. Like I said yesterday, I wonder how the atmosphere in the dressing room is going to be. It is as much upto Chappell and the team as it is upto Ganguly to make this work. And for that, Ganguly will have to change altogether. Can that happen at the age of 33?

    BTW Mumbai 304/2, Jaffer 192 and Muzumdar 83, of course the DEL attack is real popat though. Only Amit Bhandari and Srandeep are the known charecters. We will see how the Begal Tiger handles, Munaf Patel & Bahutule

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 05:56  

  • I mean it is so obvious! like 1-2-3

    1. Name SG in the 15 (15! not 12 as is usual in home series) so that the Kolkatta ODI goes ahead without crowd problems...

    2. With VVS, MSD, MK, YS, etc., SG will not find a place in the final 11....(or, alternatively, SG makes the 11 and - if he succeeds, the selectors are vindicates, on the other hand if he doesn't succeed, see #3.......

    3. Drop him after the I test (why do you think they announced the 15 for *only* 1 test??!)

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 05:57  

  • lol, ravi krishnan, round arm action is the excuse people give for chucking.. even gough and the great waqar had round arm action. but they never chucker..
    u ask stephen fleming if u think malinga is fine..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 05:58  

  • gk...RD is tough..agreed..but you cannot fight against someone who uses/tolerates the use of BCCI..calcutta..race...begging..politics...demonstrations..family..tears...to ensure that they are in the national team..I am concerned that SG will be a disruptive influence in the long run..and RD and GC will be powerless to stop him..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 05:59  

  • ramshorns,
    am not a tamil guy.. am a kannadiga

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:00  

  • Then there is Shoaib Chuckhtar and Brett Chucklee..

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:00  

  • galli,
    punyat deccan gymkhana. right near kamla nehru park. but i played for milind gunjal cric academy and poona club

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:01  

  • gang-admin, In india squad of 14 is always announced, not 12 like in Aus/Eng. well if SG scores a 100 in the ranji, no question not to include him. also he bowls which YS and MK do not do.

    HoHo, Pak are 164/5 freddie 2 wkts in 2 balls !!! reversing like hell

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 06:02  

  • chuckli:
    it was not a typo when i said tami. there is someone who writes under that name. i was wondering if that it was you. not particularly keen on if you were a tamil guy or not.

    By Blogger ramshorns, at 06:02  

  • sidhant: sorry..late reply...I meant the allocation of test/ODI is on rotation policy (as today)...its once the allocation is done...how to actually distribute those tests/ODIs in those venues(chosen as per rotation) which can be done in a more travel-friendly manner

    By Blogger worma, at 06:07  

  • Jaffar 200 in a day. really creditable. Muzumdar 88..Mumbai 318/2

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:08  

  • ok ramshorms, am a different guy..
    reverse sweep,
    i think lee's action is perfectly fine and u cant call him a chucker.
    as for shoib, i dont think he chucks always.. he is an occsasion chucker..
    chuckleetharn is a complete chucker.
    his autobiography is released recently. its called "Art of chucking" Its a must read for all young chuckers..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:08  

  • ok ramshorms, am a different guy..
    reverse sweep,
    i think lee's action is perfectly fine and u cant call him a chucker.
    as for shoib, i dont think he chucks always.. he is an occsasion chucker..
    chuckleetharn is a complete chucker.
    his autobiography is released recently. its called "Art of chucking" Its a must read for all young chuckers..

    ICC sucks guys.. It bans poor small small chuckers like malik,shabbir (they both look fine to me though) and it allows the biggie to go on..

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:11  

  • Brett Lee's fast ones are real chucks. Ditto Akhtar although I agree about Murali

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:12  

  • I do not see SG in the final XI. Yes, he is probably included just to satisy some people.. My XI for the 1st test would be:
    VS
    GG
    VVSL
    SRT
    RD
    MD
    IP
    AA
    RPS/MK
    Kumble
    HS
    This gives good balance - 5 Recognized batsmen & 5 recognized bowlers & 1 WK.. Sure, if any of the middle order fails in 2 Tests (which is unlikely), then maybe, SG might be included, in which case I would sorry for YS & Kaif..

    By Blogger spintl, at 06:13  

  • galli,
    remember what happened to the yankees last year? yup the sox canned them and went on to win after a gazillion years. i am sure thats whats gonna happen to mumbai this year.
    jokes apart mate i do hope these guys pull it through.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:14  

  • chuckli: What about Chuckbhajan Singh?

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:14  

  • they will surely not drop gangly in the final eleven. i dont see that happening.. if they want to drop gangu, then they will drop him from 15.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:15  

  • chuckli, SG may have been included in the 15 to satisfy calcutta crowd....

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 06:17  

  • the gang admin,
    Chuckbhajan Singh seems to be fine.. But some times he looks like chucking. Actually off spin and chucking go along..
    Remember chauhan also was accused of chucking it.
    Btw some of afridi's googlies are chucks

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:17  

  • wishing the same k-slice.. btw , milind gunjal yanche cricket shop ajun kothrud la aahe ka.. pahilyanda tyana pahila mala vishwaasach nahi zhala...

    BTW Mumbai in group A.. Maharastra in Group B.. Finals madhe bhetu

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:18  

  • guys i think we need to get hrishikesh kanitkar back to the indian team. think about it he has also made 100 in the past 3 games, scores of 1, 0 and 0. also he has taken a few wickets?
    fielding all rounder/fillerupper of spaces maybe?!?!?!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:18  

  • what about mcgrath and warnie - lol lol

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 06:19  

  • the gang admin, Oh yeah Chuckbhajan Singh or Harbhajan Chucking..

    K-slice, ees time Mumbai Ranji jitneka full chance..lekin Maharashtra jitega tobhi apunko pharak nahi girenga, unko team bhi eestime ekdam kadak hai

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:19  

  • k-slice, surely he'll hit the winning boundary - lol

    By Blogger Ravi Krishnan, at 06:20  

  • munaf 66 in 59 balls.. there he is..our next bowling all rounder

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:20  

  • lol, mcgrath and warne have the clenest actions
    btw guys ,
    remember ashish kapoor? former indian alrounder?
    he is now back in tamilnadu palying ranji. already got 3 wickets

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:22  

  • yes milind gunjal still peddles his wares at the same place!!
    i dint play for long at his academy though. but that is where dheeraj jadhav is from. i mainly played under my borde at the poona club.
    parrech mahiti diste punyatli tula. what college were you in?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:23  

  • RP Singh doesnt look like a test class bowler to me. Anyways we have to see him before we can judje. But Zaheer is also not great. zaheer is one dimensional.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:24  

  • MIT

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:24  

  • I wonder how this Sreedharn Sriram repeatedly gets picked for Presidents x1, prime minister's x1, chief mininster's x1.. etc etc

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:25  

  • galli do you know professor prabhu?
    other guys sorry about this. it will stop soon!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:28  

  • some guy called something jinda bowls for bengal. munaf has for sure caused him to be quite murda in this game.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:30  

  • IMHO - this is how it will go:

    VS
    GG
    RD
    SRT
    VVS
    ??
    MSD
    IP
    AA
    HS
    AK

    This team selects itself. The question mark is between MK, YS, SG and MK. The above is 6 batsmen and 4 bowlers. Therefore SG walks in at #6 without any problem, and the team is 6/7 batsmen and 4/5 bowlers

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:32  

  • k -slice.. my blog contains my e-mail. lets take this conversation offline..:)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:33  

  • gang admin.. i hope Sg does not walk off the field of play as easily as he walks in at #6. :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:34  

  • galli: please stay right here and give us some more "breaking news" lol.

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:35  

  • galli yaar, c'mon give the bugger a bit of rope to tie the Lankans or hang himself....

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:36  

  • sure will mate... not going anywhere.. just asking k-slice to take the conversation we were having to e-mail

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:37  

  • PAK 6/183 balle balle....

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:37  

  • I have always thought Freddie is better than Harmi and Hoggard.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:39  

  • chuck its hoggy mate
    nd gilo
    and colly
    and belly
    and vaughany
    and (o)k p(ee)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:40  

  • galli: what is your team for T1 Vs SL?

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:42  

  • saw SG bowl 3 bouncers in a row this morning. had kanitkar in a mess. poor kanitkar wasplaying him as htough he was brett lee. i mean at SG's express pace wouldnt we all fear for our lives?
    in all seriousness htough SG actually was bowling damn damn well.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:43  

  • lucky u k-slice... btw has the nehru stadium wicket been re-laid.. whats with the pacers getting these wickets?

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:45  

  • Guys whats the latest in Mumbai-Delhi and Maha-Bengal...cricinfo has stopped updating

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:45  

  • k-slice: what did you have for breakfast before you went to see the Bengal - Mah match?.....

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:48  

  • mumbai kicking delhi butt... or is that belly?
    maharastra - bengal game even stevens...

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:48  

  • galli, I know thats the general drift... but do you know the scores at stumps...I hope Jaffar and Muzumdar are still at the crease

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:51  

  • dunno mate.. no updates on any site that i am aware of

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 06:52  

  • Interesting that the '12' players selected by the tour selection comittee for the SAF games are in the Test team. Laxman, Ganguly and Kumble coming in for Raina, Sreesanth and JP Yadav. If Dravid/GC have their biggest confidence in that '12', then what chances for others to come into the '11' of the test team? Laxman and Kumble are automatic choices!... and Ganguly is well... automatic choice again!. So, which three will come out?
    Kumble for Karthik is almost a certainity. And Laxman for RP Singh. So, for the remaining spot, Ganguly, MK and YS are going to fight. Now then Ganguly is a allrounder!!!!! So, he will get a place. ha ha ha ;)
    If this is not the line up for the test, I'll change my blogger identity ;)
    VS, GG, RD, SRT, VVSL, SG, MSD, IP, AA, HS, AK.

    By Blogger fangorn, at 06:52  

  • fangorn, it might be Kaarthick instead of Dhoni

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:55  

  • meanwhile dinesh karthick is found crying in the ranji trophy match when he heard the news

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:56  

  • sorry I didnt know kaarthick was not in the 15

    By Blogger Reverse Sweep, at 06:58  

  • why kaarthik for dhoni?
    kaarthick hasnt done anything with bat in 10 tests except for that 90.
    also dhoni is not the worst keeper.
    we need someone like gilly at no 7. look how gilly changes the outcome of the match in test matches.
    test cricket has changed now. kaarthick is a rat compared to dhoni.

    By Blogger idli vade, at 06:58  

  • chuck: are you serious?

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 06:59  

  • gang admin, serious abt what?

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:02  

  • SG - after being in 15, he'll be in 11. They will not take him just to bench. SG's allrounder abilities will come out in good measure to help India win. When he resigned as Bengal captain, it was clear there was back door drama going on.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 07:08  

  • nope. he resigned with a good intention. he wanted to groom deep das gupta to become good captain. he hed he will pass on tips to deep das gupta

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:13  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/226957.html

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:14  

  • chuck abt DK crying....

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 07:14  

  • gngs 5 fer
    Ganguly 22 3 64 5 (8nb)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:15  

  • no gang,
    that was just a joke

    By Blogger idli vade, at 07:16  

  • galli: heard of "A candle flickers before it dies.."?

    By Blogger The Gang Admin, at 07:17  

  • wonder if anyone knows the fitness status of Balaji?

    By Blogger KB, at 07:25  

  • Munaf Patel, the fast bowler, top scoring for Maharashtra with 78 off 90 balls. I remember people were also talking about his potential with the bat when he came on the scene, but he rarely got an opportunity to display it at Mumbai since he pretty much always batted at 11 in a Mumbai lineup with quite a few allrounders (Powar, Bahutule, Agarkar). Now he gets his first opportunity at 8, and converts. Hopefully the guy can get his fitness issues sorted out-- a bowler that can bowl 150 km/h and contribute a bit down the order with the bat could be real handy in the Test side.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:30  

  • munaf is the second batting allrounder playing in that match :P

    By Blogger worma, at 07:36  

  • worma,
    LOL!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:37  

  • Onew way inclusion of SG is ok, Bec this may be the last Test. So that we can give a farewall party for the former greatest captain.


    One thing is India is goibg to play with 10 players.

    By Blogger gangulysucks, at 07:38  

  • worma.. he is the bowling all rounder... the batting all rounder is the guy with a 5 fer

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:38  

  • ohh yeah?...we'll see how many wkts Munaf takes ;-)...(yeah yeah ok...'how many SG scores'...too)

    but seriously....the reason why I was expecting this move of SG selection (and also hoping for it) was that too much of 'off-field' events were being taken into account for judging his place..which is, essentially, a cricketer on the field. So this way...he gets, sort of, his destiny in his own hands. Something which even Dileep mentions in that article(probably the only point where I agree with him)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:43  

  • gs,
    How you so sure it is the last Test? Even if he fails in the first Test, wouldn't there be a hue and cry that you cannot drop someone for failing in just one Test? Then fingers would be pointed at some other established player that may have performed below par in the first Test saying, "why isn't he dropped? Double standard!"

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:45  

  • Gangulysucks-

    That Ganguly was selected in the test team did not come as a surprise as the cricketing establishment in India sought to give him a way of making a dignified exit. Unless Gagnguly hits roaring form with the bat or with the ball (takes a 5fer), it will be curtains for him after the second test. One good thing that he will learn from this humbling experience of just being one of the boys rather than being the exalted captain is he will learn to empathize with those who are desperately trying to break into the test team.

    Isn't it ironical that after all the shennanigans by Ganguly, VVS's place in the team in guaranteed whilst the former captain cannot take anything for granted.

    Welcome to the glorious uncertainities of cricket, off and on the field.

    By Blogger mustt_mustt, at 07:46  

  • whats interesting is that the selectors have pointedly picked the side for the first test only... setting us sg for a fall? and sg resigned the bengal captaincy late last nite. what did he know that the rest of the world did not?
    no one disputes his position in the pantheon of indian legends.. however, he brought it on himself that every action of his is scrutinized and every off field intrigue added to judge him.

    anyways, we shall soon know..hopefully this will lay to rest the SG debate on this blog.. Till the 5th of December atleast :)

    By Blogger galli_cricket, at 07:48  

  • worma,
    I'd love for the team to call a meeting and have Dravid, Ganguly and Chappell tell the team to leave past issues behind and look forward to everybody playing for each other and for the country in the first game. I'd rather the differences get aired out, as opposed to pretending like nothing serious ever happened and letting feelings of resentment grow underneath. It really will take the cooperative effort of all involved to allow the issues to be resolved.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 07:49  

  • Okay..while I can understand Ganguly being given another chance,(I dont agree with it, but I do understand it) why embaress the guy by calling him an All-Rounder? Hope Flintoff hears about this, he'll laugh so hard, he'll tear a muscle and be out of the India tour..:D..

    Wonder if he'll be selected in the squad? For all you know Chappell and Dravid might decide to go with the best playing XI and wont include him, (can imagine the flare-up that would cause).

    By Blogger TheChowmeinWarrior, at 07:51  

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