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Wednesday, November 23, 2005

The final act(-worma)

Is of inclusion of Saurav Ganguly in the squad for first test against Sri Lanka. As the elevation of Dravid to captaincy, this one's also on expected lines, to me atleast. Whether he deserved it can be argued, but not his inclusion, because of his performance in the tests in Zimbabwe and which means waiting for him to fail substantially before dropping him. And now, the ball is most definitely, and with complete finality, in his court (ofcourse if he makes it to the playing XI).

The difference between him being selected, and Zaheer being 'dropped' (with both performing fairly ok in domestic matches, enough to suggest atleast no further decline in form) is probably that Zaheer did not do well in his last international outing. But even then, that comes as a surprise to me. RP Singh, while definitely improving, could have been tried further in ODIs.

Balaji is also missing, even from the Tamil Nadu Ranji opener. Not sure if he's fit, since last week read him saying he was raring to go.

And in continuation of slightly strange statements coming from More, after what we discussed yesterday, comes this reason for Ganguly's selection
The selectors decided that he had done well as an allrounder recently and chose to pick him as a bowling allrounder.
But probably that's how he's being judged now? I don't know what to make of this. Sure he's taking a few wickets in domestic matches (4 wicket out of 5 in recent Ranji match against Maharashtra) but this still sounds strange. If only for the fact that in the last few test seasons we've seen him as a specialist batsman only.

But I still wonder...have we heard the last of 'it all'...anyway....flame on :-)

Update: just when I thought this doesn't get any stranger, the cricinfo story is updated (and the earlier quote above is missing) with the full explanation. And Zaheer missed because of SG being chosen as an allrounder!
Kiran More, the chairman of selectors, added that Zaheer Khan missed out because Ganguly would provide a bowling option.

"We thought we'll use him as a batting allrounder in the team," said More while addressing the press. "We discussed it for a long time and after deliberations we decided to have him in the team as an allrounder. It will give more comfort to the team balance."
While justifying RP's selection thus, he again, sort of, tried to make the point that Zaheer wasn't fighting for a place with RP, but with, SG!
"RP Singh has done well in the one-dayers and we have found a few young bowlers who are promising. If they perform well in domestic cricket, they will definitely get opportunities. We missed out on Zaheer Khan also. He's performed outstandingly in domestic cricket and it was a tough call to leave him out. Also, we consider Ganguly as an allrounder, that's why Zaheer Khan has missed out."

91 Comments:

  • it matters. selecting him as an allrounder implies he is no longer considered good enuf to make it as a batsman. clearly this was forced by jaggu on the selectors. i look forward to see if GC-RD pick him in the playing X1

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:28  

  • good, england still not giving up. i must say SG wudnt do much worse than zaheer with the ball ... given zaheers performance last year or so

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:30  

  • ravi
    m not so sure. GC clearly didnt think he deserved a place in zim and RD is not one to be too sentimental when it comes to team selection

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:32  

  • ravi krishan: yep updated the post

    By Blogger worma, at 04:35  

  • Sharpanth...SG is for the SL series...not for SA ODIs

    By Blogger RR, at 04:35  

  • how can ppl still contemplate the possibility of SG being picked ove VVS i cant understand. VVS is as much an automatic choice as VS, RD and SRT in the test side

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:37  

  • prabhu
    yes. a perfect example of some crackpot fans holding a whole nation hostage. again i wonder why some mumbai ppl dont do the same to get powar included in the side

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:39  

  • gk: agreed...Lax is an automatic choice in test matches.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:39  

  • My...my...If SG is dropped there is chaos...If he is removed from captaincy...there is chaos.....if he gets picked...there is chaos....if he makes it to the playing XI, there will be chaos...if he does not...there will be chaos....Amazing,how one man can draw so much attention...Goes to prove that SG has left his mark on Indian cricket...for good or for bad...more good than bad.way to go Dada :D

    By Blogger RR, at 04:40  

  • ravi
    u r absolutely rite

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:41  

  • In my opinion....having SG as an allrounder (if the team management indeed seriously decide this, and its not just a needless cover statement) means the option of playing 3 spinners in *certain cases*...so he would open with IP then. Ofcourse its still more likely that we would go with 2 regular seamers and 2 regular spinners, esp against SL (since we wont prepare overly spinning tracks for them)...but atleast that option is there

    By Blogger worma, at 04:41  

  • Worma...even if we go with only 2 spinners and have to include YS or MK, SG would still have to open with IP as AA will not have a place in the team.Assuming RP and Murali are anyway not being considered for the playing XI

    By Blogger RR, at 04:45  

  • hemal
    maybe zaheer deserved to be picked but i dont care, i really hate that guy

    worma
    this team is for just 1 test. how do u define "certain circumstances" ? chennai has traditionally been a very good wicket, not a dustbowl to play 3 spinners on plus it is gonna be raining - maybe the pitch will have some life ?

    ravi
    the idea of picking a team is to win matches, not to prevent players from being insulted

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:46  

  • ravi
    clearly only one of YS, MK and SG will play. otherwise it will be stupidity

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:50  

  • With VS,GG,RD,SRT,VVS,MSD,IP,AK selecting themselves, the choice for the 3 vacancies would be between SG,YS,MK,AA and HS....Do u read the message....Guys who have been SG *backers* are made to fight for a place with SG....What better way to create uneasiness and then blame it on SG...Selectors did not have a choice...but I can see the jigsaw puzzle falling in place

    By Blogger RR, at 04:51  

  • galli
    i wish we get to hear from prems sources what actually happened at the meeting. worma, that likely to happen ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:52  

  • ravi
    pity ur cynical brain

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:53  

  • ravi: what makes you think YS and MK are certainty in the lineup?

    gk: thats what I meant..if this allrounder thing is a serious thinking on team management part...then they are proabably preparing for those situations...ofcourse this team is for first test...but the planning, in case they are serious, would be for long-term..no? So if SG gets a look into XI...his bowling would be judged (ofcourse batting too) so as to see if that can be used as a specialist option in long term. If he's not picked in playing XI then anyway he's going to be there in next match also?

    By Blogger worma, at 04:54  

  • above comment was not to ravi krishnan, was to the other ravi

    ravi krishnan,
    of course GG is fixed why wudnt he be ?
    the squad is fixed as follows
    GG
    VS
    RD
    SRT
    VVS
    ?
    MSD
    IP
    AA
    HS
    AK

    only 1 spot is vacant and SG, MK, YS are fighting for it

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:56  

  • gk...nothing cynical abt it...it is just putting it in a different perspective...Well!! cynical i syr perpective...reading between the lines is mine ;).

    Worma...YS ...in good form in the ODI's and MKs non inclusion in the test team in ZIm was the cause of this ruckus.If MK is not in...SG's stand gets vindicated.If YS is dropped, sends the wrong signals to performing players....Too much on RD's plate...Will wait and watch how he bites the bullet

    By Blogger RR, at 04:58  

  • worma
    the scenario u r talking abt will come into play only on dustbowls like mumbai 2004. other than that SG can never be good enuf to open the bowling.

    ravi k,
    why on earth wud anyone contemplate disturbing the very successful opening partnership of GG and VS ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:00  

  • ravi: From the ZIM test team...yuv would be dropped for SRT coming in. Surely no wrong signal there? And ODI is separate issue. There are many good players in ODI team waiting for their chances in tests. Happens all the time, and with many countries.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:01  

  • all,
    im convinced GC and RD will not spring any shock, as i see it the spots 1-5 and 7-11 are fixed and only #6 is open. and thats the way it shud be

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:02  

  • gk: not neessarily on dustbowls. We played 3 spinners against SA at Kanpur. Also against Aus in Kolkata(or Chennai?) in 2001. So...depends on the opposition..and on team strategy. And SG can open the bowling anytime. In such situations theres not much demand on such an opener anyway. If I remember correctly SRT opened the bowling with seam-up variety against Aus

    By Blogger worma, at 05:03  

  • Worma...agreed..but if ODI is a different issue, RPS should not have been in the team...ZK or AN should have been the logical inclusion. ODIs and Tests go hand in hand...We are yet to move out of that mould...otherwise, GG would not have a place in the ODIs

    By Blogger RR, at 05:03  

  • ravi: yeah RPS should not have been in tests so soon. Nothing against him...but he can wait, IMO. AN is injured...he said he was tagetting Pak series for comeback. ZK should have been in. And its ridiculous of More to say SG took that spot. Again just IMO.

    And btw..ODI and test do go hand in hand...but slightly over long run. Look at how long it took for Yuv to claim a test berth. Thats the right kind of timeframe. Even Dhoni had to perform for quite a while to get a look in. GG's case, while he's been in tests for a while, is different because his shift is from test to ODIs. IMO that is a 'lesser' move since I give more importance and value to a test spot.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:07  

  • worma
    true but that will happen very rarely. chennai 2001 was 4 yrs back and we had Srinath, AA injured. kanpur last year if IP was not injured he wud have played

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:08  

  • I would really appreciate the decision of inclusion of SG in the squad, though not a Pro of SG. The only thing which comes to my mind is he is a treat to watch when he is on song.. And every one would agree to that.. Apart from the recent failures in both forms of the game, he has done nothing wrong and he is trying to come out of that patch and he is genuine enough to show some spirit to come back.. I would strongly apprehend that he would perform well in the test series and cement his position in the ODI squad also.. For all reasons he's a great player and has been a revelation of Indian Cricket.. He is no lesser to any other legends of indian cricket...

    By Blogger Ram @ Chandru @ Kulitalai Amaanji, at 05:09  

  • I guess all this discussion would not have taken place but for Kiran More's eagerness to gain media attention....He needs to shut up and leave the judgement to intelligent bloggers like us...Wonder how many of us would have been able to pull out the 'allrounder' tag from our hats

    By Blogger RR, at 05:10  

  • worma
    zaheer vs rps is a debatable issue but i dont like zaheer at all, so im not complaining

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:11  

  • gk: probably IP would have played in place of Khan in Kanpur...anyway its a useful strategy. Esp against a team like Eng...play them on good spin tracks (not the mumbai variety though) with 3 spinners

    By Blogger worma, at 05:11  

  • ravi
    too true, but lets not forget more has made a lot of good decisions recently. also it cud be his frustration at being pressurised by jaggu that forced him to make this comment

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:13  

  • ravi krishnan: can you please update us on what the discussion is?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:13  

  • galli
    that was really hilarious

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:14  

  • vshan,
    LOL. I wonder if we will get juicy stories from the MSM about SG going to dinner alone and no one getting along with him like we got earlier in SL

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:17  

  • gk...Do u really believe that More is making all those statements...Even at the risk of being called cynical...IMO, all that is being said and done has the explicit stamp of GC written all over...He has the Committee by their "B***s"...and the SL victories has only ensured that the grip has tightened...and More also knows which side of the bread is buttered...West Zone...Sharad Pawar...Bindra....Feels lousy to get back to discussing this muck..but that is the way it is

    By Blogger RR, at 05:18  

  • ksr,
    applause applause

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:19  

  • ravi
    what in this team makes u feel that GC is calling the shots ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:20  

  • ravi k,
    nice to hear. now only if the bcci gets its house in order first as regards scheduling it wud be really good

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:22  

  • ravi, thanks for that update. Carr is the ECB representative who was in India and met BCCI for this whole dicussion.

    I think he is spot on. Those are exactly the areas which I had in mind, and which I think ECB can negotiate with BCCI, and which BCCI are in a position to modify.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:23  

  • k-slice
    of course. if i was selector i wud have picked SG anyway. not that i wud have been too happy abt it becoz i really dont like the bloke. but i do think he deserves to be picked. but pressure tactics from jaggu, buddhadeb, bengali film industry and some common kolkatans are just pathetic. these are very nearly terrorists

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:26  

  • galli
    whats the latest in ranji trophy ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:27  

  • ramshorns
    agarkar did well in the odis he played - what abt that ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:29  

  • ravi: what I think is that the same region ODIs can be clubbed together...so Kochi, Vizaz, Cuttack, Guwahati, Faridabad, Indore, Goa in that order...is just an example

    By Blogger worma, at 05:31  

  • ilovecricket
    RD may be a gentleman but he can be firm now that he is in charge. he will not tolerate any politicking from SG esp with GC to back him

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:34  

  • sidhant: but noone is asking for 'changing' the venues. Its just the right sequence to minimise travel. Venues are chosen on rotation..and that should continue

    By Blogger worma, at 05:35  

  • sidhant: sorry..late reply...I meant the allocation of test/ODI is on rotation policy (as today)...its once the allocation is done...how to actually distribute those tests/ODIs in those venues(chosen as per rotation) which can be done in a more travel-friendly manner

    By Blogger worma, at 06:07  

  • munaf is the second batting allrounder playing in that match :P

    By Blogger worma, at 07:36  

  • ohh yeah?...we'll see how many wkts Munaf takes ;-)...(yeah yeah ok...'how many SG scores'...too)

    but seriously....the reason why I was expecting this move of SG selection (and also hoping for it) was that too much of 'off-field' events were being taken into account for judging his place..which is, essentially, a cricketer on the field. So this way...he gets, sort of, his destiny in his own hands. Something which even Dileep mentions in that article(probably the only point where I agree with him)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:43  

  • mustt
    that was always going to be the case in the long term since laxman is a much higher quality batsman than SG

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 07:51  

  • chowmein
    lol on that reference to flintoff

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 07:52  

  • sahir: yep that would be ideal. But the events so far don't point to that happening. Not between SG, RD, GC. I dont think the rest of the team is that much affected, or is resenting too much. If only because its difficult to imagine someone resenting RD in this team, after all he has done in past 2-3 years.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:53  

  • sidhant: what world champions chased down 250 in two sessions?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:54  

  • sahir
    if they do as u say i wud love to have a live telecast of that !! ;-)

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 07:56  

  • gang: dude...why ask me...thats what I mention even in the main post!

    By Blogger worma, at 07:57  

  • gang admin
    the one justification is he is not needed.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 07:57  

  • ppl, lets hope flintoff can turn on the magic tomorrow. now that ganguly has been annointed as a world-class al-rounder flintoff has to do something to stay ahead of the competition !!

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 07:58  

  • sidhant
    seriously i hope england win. it will be a great series then. also it is good for us if pakistan are not on top of the world when we play them

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:00  

  • isnt it great that pune is becoming an important venue in the latest episodes of the soap opera that is indian cricket ? first rahul dravid achieved the great 4-0 series win in pune. then sg found out about his dethroning as test captain and subsequently cried about it and resigned from bengal captaincy here in pune

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:05  

  • gang
    of course *no one* is indispensable. when i say that SG is not needed thats what i mean. now remember i am not against SG in the team. i think he deserves to be in there. but at the same time due to circumstances if he had not been there, i wud have been fine with it as well

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:07  

  • sahir: not sure if Aus would have chased 250 in two sessions. Have they ever done that (even started such a chase, forget completion?)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:08  

  • sahir
    england SHOULD go for it. after all a series win is at stake.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:09  

  • worma
    so u think this match is definitely a draw ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:10  

  • yeah right....they were 'going' for it sahir...sure :-)

    Remember, even in their backyard, Waugh said at the closure of Sydney test (his last) that the target was unrealistic and they couldn't have chased it. And that wasn't even as bad as the Bhajji rout they had in Kolkata. Going for a win indeed

    By Blogger worma, at 08:11  

  • galli
    since we are playing both eng and pak in the near future id rather neither be too much on a high. hence i would like a really close series.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:12  

  • gk: nope....not definitely a draw. If Eng have 230-150 to chase in around 75-80 overs..thats a possibility. Atleast they woudl start with positive intent. But for that they've to get Inzy early.

    So most of the action now comes from Eng camp

    By Blogger worma, at 08:13  

  • sidhant, just answered your q above

    By Blogger worma, at 08:14  

  • hmmm
    how abt a flintoff hattrick first thing tomorrow morning ? and then a 40-ball 60 to finish off the 220-run chase ??

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:14  

  • and that should be 230-250...ughh

    By Blogger worma, at 08:14  

  • worma
    what are the odds on pak winning ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:15  

  • gk: Ofcourse that would be great fun to watch. Freddie is always interesting....amazing thing is how much he seems to have in reserve....always keeps coming with performance that set-up the game

    By Blogger worma, at 08:15  

  • Worma...Di you notice one thing in Dileep's article title..It has changed to "Driven by sentiments".The earlier title was "Puncturing the development process"...Any views on this change in title in less than an hour ??

    By Blogger RR, at 08:16  

  • gk: Pak chances are least of the three possibilities (but not zero) because Eng, later in the day, would have the luxury to take the light offer

    By Blogger worma, at 08:16  

  • england england definitely supporting england. go freddie !!

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:17  

  • ravi: interesting...I didn't notice the earlier title...but can easily imagine Dileep using that ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:18  

  • besides definitely eng shud try for the win and decide that one player say strauss or vaughan will bat till the end while the others bat around him. if it gets dodgy, the likes of giles, hoggard and udal can hold out the fort with the one batsman who is gonna stay there.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:19  

  • http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1304934.cms

    By Blogger Amit, at 08:20  

  • gang
    in multan the draw was not an option. here if eng decide to go for the chase they will know they have a second option to fall back on.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 08:21  

  • sahir: I feel the other way round...they would start with a bang..since Tresco is in for, so is Bell...and then by the time Freddie comes in they will assess whether to reign in or go for it. Also...KP can earn a promotion in the order...maybe ahead of Vaughan or Bell...its a possibility...would reflect on their thinking. But if they leave acceleration to lower middle order..that would be late...since they can tumble realy fast..and then no brakes.

    yes Pak attack is more of an attack than defence...but they wont look to defend if they get out early.

    And ofcourse most teams would 'go for it'...the question is..how soon would they panic and put the brakes on

    By Blogger worma, at 08:21  

  • This guy wears his heart on his sleeve...as usual
    http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/nov/23kapil.htm

    By Blogger RR, at 08:36  

  • SS,
    I think, you have to ask the question from perspective that runs were made in the past, and wickets taken current.
    These things do not marry well.
    please Don't say he is competing with ZK for bowling.
    Why wasn't your Q tuned as,
    how many players have score double ducks in last match and taken 4 wicket against Maha?
    I mean the point is Take any player and you will find unique characterstics of him.
    I dont think anybody had disputed that SG was a great player once upon a time.
    Is he still great or better hten options around, you can make an honest decision.

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 08:42  

  • My 2 bits on all the posts done recently..

    its quite a shame that the squad has been announced for just 1 test match? What is the harm in announcing it for the entire series??

    Kiran More is a joke. All these guys should be trained on how to speak. Its insulting to zaheer khan (irrespective of his attitude problems) of having to be compared with SG for a bowling spot !!

    SG (apart from a miracle) is doomed. I would love to be proven wrong by SG.

    Can the folks here post the website names of all the cricket boards or the link of where i can find this link?

    By Blogger Ramki, at 09:27  

  • SS,
    Sorry , we had a fire drill had to stay in 24F for 10 minutes
    I guess the creteria, you have placed, very few will qaulify as batsman scored more then 5000 Test runs, or 10K ODI runs form India, then you compare that with Ranji wickets... I have to go in Statguru, where i am lazy .. but off top of my head.. i think saying Kapil dev and SG would be safe :)

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 09:42  

  • gu
    lets give him some credit, i can say he wont stoop down to such levels come what may. now if it was jagmohan dalmiya in his place im sure he wud have done thar for his own personal gains :-)

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 10:17  

  • I'm also concerned about Balaji not playing the Ranji game. I would pick Zaheer over Agarkar, RP Singh and Pathan as a test bowler at this point, but given his traditionally lackadaisical attitude, no harm in making him prove himself a bit more. I think Ganguly's inclusion was the right call, a little bit bemused that Kaif and Yuvraj are such pampered darlings that they apparently can't be dropped. I don't agree with dropping Karthik for Dhoni just yet, mainly because Dhoni's first-class average is 30.

    *Very* interested to see how the Indian batsmen handle Lasith Malinga.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:21  

  • jat,
    chill. im sure gu was kidding.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 10:22  

  • roublen
    zaheer has not bowled decently in a test since australia 2003

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 10:24  

  • roublen
    why shud kaif/yuvraj be dropped ?

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 10:27  

  • optimist
    lol !!!

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 10:28  

  • sahir, point taken on Dhoni.

    GK, zaheer has sucked past 2 years, no question about it (except for 4-95 at Nagpur). But in the Challengers, despite going for runs, he looked, along with Sree Santh, the most penetrating of all the pace bowlers, the only bowler capable of getting under VVS's skin (Munaf Patel didn't play in Challengers). And Zaheers' recent domestic performances have been quite good.

    Re: Kaif & Yuvraj, 8 batsmen is too many, especially when the batting order is much more settled than the bowling and wicket-keeping. So if you're going to pick Ganguly, you have drop either Kaif or Yuvraj. I would pick Yuvraj over Kaif at this point.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:03  

  • ddirector, Ganguly skipped two tough tests against Aussies in that span, while Laxman faced those challenges and played a match-winning innings in Mumbai.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:07  

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