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Friday, November 18, 2005

Hoggy the genius(-worma)

And staying with England, here's a nice post match analysis from Hoggard. Interesting to read, towards the end, how sometimes we analyze a simple situation too much.
IT WAS very nice of Bob Woolmer to suggest in The Times yesterday that I bowled “the ball of the match” to dismiss Inzamam-ul-Haq in the second innings. I trapped him leg-before when he padded up to the second ball I sent down in the first over with the new ball.

The Pakistan coach said that I held the ball as though it was an outswinger, used my wrist to change the direction and foxed one of the era’s great batsmen. Well, I might have fooled Inzamam, but I also fooled myself. I was certainly expecting the new ball to swing, but on that occasion, I fell away slightly in my delivery stride, so the ball went straight on. So I got it in the right place but, other than that, there was a bit of luck involved. But if Bob thinks I’m a bit of a genius, who am I to disagree?


  • that's pretty honest and sincere

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:14  

  • damn you prem, worma and ruchir

    You have turned me into a blogaholic- it's an addiction now to keep coming to the blog

    I am joining blogaholic anonymous!!!

    By Blogger suraj, at 13:15  

  • Wow,
    I love the honesty and modesty. Could you ever imagine someone like Harbhajan Singh ever saying something like that. "Oh, that was my teesra. Right now I'm workin on a 4th one as well that will spin one way and then the other." :-)

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:17  

  • sahir, yeah sounds honest :-)...although I think Bhajji is pretty honest if you ask the right question. But our scribes usually don't go into such relevant details. And he's not articulate enough (most of our players aren't) to write such insightful pieces.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:22  

  • suraj: no refresh for you for one hour ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:22  

  • Sahir,

    Any player will spin any statment in any whic way they want to... What makes you think that Hoggy is being all honest and not a little tongue in cheek? Woolmer wont be writing stuff without having verified it, and being the computer geek that he is, must have analysed and re-analysed the Inzi dismissal over and over... I thouught there was a change in the wrist position when he delivered the ball versus the way he cocked his wrist in the first place... maybe I am wrong.. So is Woolmer.. Or maybe Hoggard is just having a ball :)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 13:23  

  • Shri,
    The ball was definitely shaped as the outswinger. I've seen Hoggard's inseamer before, and the seam postion is different- as it almost always has to be. It was simply an outswinger that did not swing. Happens rather often, but what usually does not happen is a batsman almost premeditating he is going to leave a ball starting on the stumps if he sees the seam santed towards first slip.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:35  

  • worma,
    Yeah, it was a bit of an unfair potshot at Bhajji on my part; just having a little fun. :-)

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:37  

  • Sahir,

    The seam was pointed towards second slip.. but i thought that at the point of delivery his wrist was more middle-leg stumpish and that the ball went straight on through.. did not see any foot slippage ( atleast no visible foot slippage in the replays)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 13:39  

  • sahir..no worries mate :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:49  

  • Shri,
    The wrist position may have been more middle-leg stumpish, but I doubt it was deliberate since that is not how Hoggard usually bowls his in-seamer. The seam position on his in-seamer is usually completely different. I reckon Bob Woolmer is also making the statement about what a great ball it was to take off some of the sheer idiocy on Inzamam's part to pad up to a ball starting on the stumps. At the very least, you start to play and withdraw the bat once you actually see the ball begin to swing (rather than assuming), or you could play inside the line. A batsman who plays seamers as late as Inzamam does can certainly has enough time to wait to see the shape of the ball, especially when it is at Hoggard's pace and conventional swing (not as late as reverse).

    By Blogger Sahir, at 13:51  

  • fair comment sahir..

    By Blogger SHRI, at 13:58  

  • Ok, so I enjoyed that column, and I wrote about it on my blog too.

    But I'm not going to say any nice things about Hoggard unless he gets a hair cut.

    Next to KP Skunk, Shrek Hoggard is TAFHCA next biggest pet hate.

    By Blogger Zainub, at 14:43  

  • zainub: ged, one of our English regulars on this blog, says KP is 'Sehwag with hair and attitude'. I think you would like to have a word with him :-))

    By Blogger worma, at 16:44  

  • worma


    By Blogger Zainub, at 17:11  

  • Zainub,
    Since you're not reading posts in the other thread, myself and a couple of other guys posted a little apology to you for some of the crude comments made by some of our fellow bloggers in the other thread. We're just not used to having a girl around. Us guys can get a little crude when its predominantly guys around, especially when having the anonymity of sitting behind a computer screen. Even if we disagree, the debate ought to be conducted in a civilized manner. Sorry, if any of the comments offended you. That said, I don't necessarily agree with your views. I just feel its a person's individual perrogative to wear what they want in public (as long as they're not nude, of course). And, don't worry, it does not affect the opinion of womanhood. I should hope that just because some guy chooses to be rude to you, you would not necessarily group me in with him. Additionally, don't you think sport sometimes mandates wearing such clothing. If you're a professional swimmer (I remember Pakistan had a young girl in the Olympics in Athens), you've got to wear a bathing suit. Being a pretty competitive tennis player, I know how important it is to wear loose clothing. The women just have to wear skirts-- and sometimes they will fly up; just part of the game.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 17:17  

  • Zainub,
    What's your blog?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 17:19  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Blogger Zainub, at 08:53  

  • Sahir,

    My blog, called Sundries, can be visited at : http://www.bloxster.net/zainub

    Your apology has been accepted Sahir, I think I had a rush of blood last night with some of my comments, and I might have gone a bit over the top with what I said, at least some of the things. Basically, because I practice a certain idea with so much devotion, I don't feel entirely comfortable when other people do someting so entirely the opposite and on top of that feel it's their God given right to slag off of those who do. Of course, people can wear what ever they want, but it does make me a tad uneasy. Especially when members of the opposite gender start saying they like it. I felt disrespected and was dissapointed with the manner in which I was responded to by some on the other thread, and that is why I decided it was best to ignore it. I don't think I want to discuss this any further. Not now at least, at a different place, and a different time, then may be. For now, let cricket be the topic.

    By Blogger Zainub, at 09:02  

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