Any lessons?(-worma)
Talking about the Eng-Pak thriller, that finally ended in the most unpredictable fashion. Even till the 8th wicket partnership it looked like Eng's game, for hadn't they enacted a similar cliff-hanging triumph a few months earlier? And against a stronger opposition too.
From what I saw, Eng batsmen look all at sea when it comes to reading Kaneria. And then, not forward enough to negate the spin if they can't read it. Ofcourse Shoaib would be unplayable when at best, so not much point planning for that. Although Sami was not far behind..his 2 wkt taking spell with Kaneria was what actually set up the stage for Shoaib, and Pak to crash the Eng gates down. This from Osman's post-match analysis on cricinfo
So, what lessons for Eng team? Were they complacent? Were they too aggressive? Andrew Miller asks these and few more here.
Meanwhile, probably Vaughan's improved chances of return may help Eng spirits a bit. They surely need more solidity in the middle. The middle order vulnerability is also making the KP hit-or-miss style less affordable to them.
But for me, the way they're playing spin (and add to it the coming to form of the entire Pak pace attack) it looks more troubled times ahead. I won't be surprised if Inzy plays Afridi ahead of Raza next match.
From what I saw, Eng batsmen look all at sea when it comes to reading Kaneria. And then, not forward enough to negate the spin if they can't read it. Ofcourse Shoaib would be unplayable when at best, so not much point planning for that. Although Sami was not far behind..his 2 wkt taking spell with Kaneria was what actually set up the stage for Shoaib, and Pak to crash the Eng gates down. This from Osman's post-match analysis on cricinfo
But as on the final sun-drenched Bangalore afternoon, his most fearsome delivery today - one that makes you wonder what he has been doing for so long - didn't get him the wicket he deserved. Then, he had bowled it to Sachin Tendulkar no less, on the stroke of tea, not too short but nasty, brutish, and blisteringly quick. It caught Tendulkar fending, utterly surprised. Asim Kamal dropped the chance at short leg then; had there been a short leg in place today, a strikingly similar ball would have brought him the wicket of Flintoff, who knew not whether to duck or stand tall and instead did both as the ball looped up off his glove.
So, what lessons for Eng team? Were they complacent? Were they too aggressive? Andrew Miller asks these and few more here.
But it is remarkable, nonetheless, how quickly England have grown to believe their own publicity. "Problem, what problem?" has been the message every day of this tour. Perhaps now they'll take notice of the smoke pouring under the door.But the Eng team is certainly not looking to change much in terms of approach
So, the message remains unaltered from the England camp. One defeat does not a series debacle make, and at times of adversity such as this, they have an unrivalled team spirit and 18 months of happy memories to fall back on. "It's disappointing, but it's not going to knock us down," added Trescothick, and anyone who witnessed the fightback after Lord's last summer knows better than to question that particular judgment.Although Miller does suggest
But, if they are serious about rivalling Australia and ruling the world roost for the next decade and more, then a touch less time with the touchstone, and a little more old-fashioned grind, would probably not go amiss.
Meanwhile, probably Vaughan's improved chances of return may help Eng spirits a bit. They surely need more solidity in the middle. The middle order vulnerability is also making the KP hit-or-miss style less affordable to them.
But for me, the way they're playing spin (and add to it the coming to form of the entire Pak pace attack) it looks more troubled times ahead. I won't be surprised if Inzy plays Afridi ahead of Raza next match.
20 Comments:
Worma...One of the best write-ups I have read from you. Not that the others have not been good.But, somehow, this one is 'nice'.
And what I appreciate is a completely unbiased approach to the business of writing.
Kudos to you
By RR, at 08:33
thx ravi1010.
By worma, at 08:39
Cool mate...my pleasure.
On a different note..what is your view on today's performance by the Indian team and any specific notes on Sehwag's performance.
Let me be forthright...if VS with only one half century in 25+ matches can be given such a long rope...why not some other players with better ODI records..u know who I am referring to?? ;)
By RR, at 08:43
Worma,
Did you see Akhtar yorking Giles out.
I loved that delivery too much fire and accuracy in that for Giles to hold up.
By Pankaj Tripathi, at 08:54
Worma,
I think pakistan should drop Mohammad Yousuf (Youhana) and get in Afridi. That guy played like a jerk and nearly cost Pakistan the match.
Good kick on the backside for England. I thought they were a bit over-confident in their chase (can't blame them as they have been successfulin their last 12 run chases).
They will come back, but given it's a three test series, I don't know if they can win this one...
Anyway, great game, good result. If this does not bring the crowds back in Pakstan, nothing will...
By Saurabh Wahi, at 09:01
pankaj, reminds me of the delivery he bowled to Sachin in eden Gardens.
But I recon there was an element of 'chuck' involved here..
By Saurabh Wahi, at 09:03
pankaj: yes I saw that...reminded me of good old days of Akhtar...thats what I was referring to in the post...if he gets close to that zone..he would be unplayable :-)
saurabh: Agreed....yousuf nearly cost them the match, and should be dropped if only to show him his responsibility. But I don't think this would happen....he's done this many times before...and Pak has gone on to lose some of those matches. Here atleast the heat is lessened now. On another note, don't you think Eng would now be under pressure to try and win both? Because surely they are not looking for a drawn series?
ravi1010: what's the point of going there mate? :-)...we all know that there's something other than 'cricket' involved
By worma, at 09:15
One lesson common for both India and Eng."One swallow does not a summer make".One Ashes victory(not to take awya any credit) and everyone was talking ..right from Flitoff to Fletcher...and here we have a lousy SL team that rocks only under home conditions(they beat Aus 3-0 sometime back at home, if my memory serves me right)beaten 6-1 and we have everyone from Pras to Pataudi talking...Maybe we should not read too much into this loss to SA...but neither would I give credit to GC for the SL victories. It was a combination of bad batting and mediocre bowling by SL and some flat pitches.
By RR, at 09:38
balaji...sure Sami and Shoaib(when in mood, or whatever it is that he suddenly turns on) are great in cleaning off the tail. But not Shabbir (or few others). Thats why I was surprised when after lunch Inzy brought on Shabbir...went for 11 runs in 2 overs..switched back to Shoaib..2 wkts in 2 overs!
By worma, at 09:38
Bouncer...if at all GG is retained, it is only to keep SG at bay.Otherwise, it would be stupid to retain GG in the ODI side(he did make a good century,no doubt)but he would not fit into the playing XI everytime
By RR, at 09:40
ss ...LOL..but, anything is possible in the name of experimentation ;)
By RR, at 09:47
poondu: not in same league...I just mentioned them in same sentence only ;-). About his performance in this innings...I think he played a more crucial role in this win than Akhtar. Ofcourse Shoaib had a part....but it was Sami's excellent bowling to the top order (with Kaneria strangling at other end) that really started the slide. This from what I saw, and IMHO ofcourse :-)
By worma, at 10:28
and btw...I do feel Akhtar is a 'great' bowler
By worma, at 10:32
poondu, no I don't think he's highly overrated. Just that he fails to live upto his potential..while his rating is often based on potential not actual results. He often shows glimpses of what he's capable of (like in Bangalore, and here). His frequent breakdown also doesnt help...I think he may grow into a very good bowler over a season..if only he can get a full run.
By worma, at 10:35
poondu: ofcourse rating should also be based on performance...but no-one rates Sami high in that area. He's 'rated' highly in a subjective manner...which is based on people judging what they see on screen(or on ground) thus formulating their opinion on what that person is capable of.
He's not rated highly in any official/unofficial/personal rating of test(or ODI) bowlers in terms of performances.
About his stats, do remember that he's just played 21 matches in almost 6 years of his career...so, as I said earlier, never got settled down. And that is necessary for most bowlers to do well.
As to his place in Indian side...dude....he's playing for Pakistan...they have, at any point in time, much better pace resources than us. If he still qualifies for a spot, then obviously there must he a reason. Whether he fulfills the reason (and its again subjective issue) or not is another matter, but I'm sure if he doesn't (as in the eyes of management, selectors) then he would not be able to keep the likes of Gul, Rana, Asif, Arafat out. In fact he's currently their second choice bowler above Shabbir.
By worma, at 11:01
one of these days english will realize you either play spin early, by getting to the pitch of the ball, or you play it late, by letting it spin. you do not compromise and keep your back foot rooted while lunging forward at the ball. Or at least, if you do, you have to read the spin from the bowlers hand.
By Anonymous, at 11:16
roublen: well said mate :-) I was wondering, watching the Eng batsmen, whether they really 'know' how to play spin or did they just read the stereotypical techniques ;-)....I know I know...they are all international players and well coached and all...
But seriously...they are, it seems, not trying to read the spin at all. Its a common notion that you need to play spin on front foot reaching the pitch...while the reality is that you can play either way as long as you read it...off the bowler's hand is good...but even if you read off the pitch it would serve the purpose.
and LOL about the back foot in crease...yeah they try to reach the pitch while safeguarding the stumping in case they miss. Almost like they are in doubt about their ability right from the start.
By worma, at 11:24
ged: I seriously think Giles was reading the spin very well! Better than most of the top order. Ofcourse he couldnt escape that Shoaib scorcher.
Can't say what Bell and Pieterson would mature into..but currently they are falling short. Strauss, I still feel, will get a big one..if only because he often gets settled by the time spinners come, and also because he would often bat on a day 1 pitch.
But if Flintoff doesnt fire, Eng would be in trouble. Even here had be held on, in that innings of 40+, with Jones for company...he could have done an Edgbaston. Revived the whole team.
By worma, at 18:07
I was looking for things to gloat about all day long, turns out I should have come to Sight Screen earlier! 'England can't play spin' er, I'd not go to that extent, I'll say they can't play spin on a day 5 pitch, can't read Kaneria googly and play the sweep too often against him.
Another thing worma, we won because it was a team effort - it can't be concluded that Sami , Shoaib , or even Shabbir's 1 wicket was any less significant then any of the others - as were the runs from Butt and Inzi. Team game cricket is, when you lose, everyone takes the blame, when you win, this should be the same.
And the crowds have came back. On average , there have been about 10,000 people daily - which is remarkably good by our standards!
Roll on Faisalabad please, never realised rubbing into English wounds could be this entertainings - I'd love another win! :)
By Unknown, at 18:29
zainub, you should have known...going by my hints earlier in the day ;-)
But yes..ofcourse it was a team effort. The Pak bowlers (along with Eng batsmen's failures) are more highlighted because in the end it was a gettable target, which they couldnt....and the culprit/hero were Eng batsmen / Pak bowlers..right?
But haven't the crowd come back because of 70% free tickets :P
And btw, Eng can't play the spin...means they can't play it well. Ofcourse they are international batsmen....and achieved so much already...they can play everything reasonably. I commented on what I saw...their technique was poor, and their minds very tentative....their confidence on their abilities not very high. Alteast in this innings.
By worma, at 18:45
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