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Saturday, September 03, 2005

India-Zimbabwe open thread

Hi all, its Saturday night, and despite the promise of this exciting match tomorrow morning, I somehow don't feel so sure that I would make it from the start :-)
So here's an open thread in advance. And see you all here during the game.

And btw, besides the Zim contract problems etc (some of those I linked to in the comments section of previous post), Streak has decided to take a break for this game, nurse his injury, and be fresh for the tests. Ofcourse the tests themselves are in a shadow of doubt with this new dispute breaking up.

India may go in with as much experiment as possible, with still a minimum safety-belt of experience around for, you know, just in case. Expect Karthik(Bhajji) and RP(Pathan) to play, maybe both Raina(Kaif?) and Rao(Supersub) as well ???


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    By Blogger Phentermine, at 19:28  

  • interesting stuff on ODI supersub rule here:


    By Blogger Yacrik, at 21:07  

  • ODI super sub rule explained:

    ODI supersub rule

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 21:09  

  • Can somebody please give me the name of the streaming video site for watching tomorrow's game along with the event name? Thanks, you guys are da bomb!!!

    By Blogger JayMo, at 22:43  

  • Jaymo,

    email me rgajria@gmail.com

    I will send you the link.

    By Blogger Rishi Gajria, at 00:09  

  • Jaymo,

    Do not ask for links on the forums to Live Matches, it will result in trouble for Prem and Gang.

    By Blogger Rishi Gajria, at 00:10  

  • Prem and gang,
    Looks like there is severe fighting in the the indian camp, including one between aggy and pathan. Any comments?

    My source is this: http://greatbong.blogspot.com this

    By Blogger amar, at 02:17  

  • How could ARnab, sitting far away know all that?


    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 03:06  

  • India - Sourav Ganguly, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid, Yuvraj
    Singh, MS Dhoni, JP Yadav, Harbhajan Singh, Murali Karthik, RP
    Singh, Ajit Agarkar, Y Venugopal Rao(Supersub)
    Anyone have any audio/video links. Thanx

    By Blogger DesiChap, at 03:30  

  • Live audio at :


    By Blogger Dennis, at 03:37  

  • RPS with double strike... in his second over

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 03:48  

  • so RP already taken his debut wickets....looking medium pace...without movement to me...

    By Blogger worma, at 03:54  

  • Worma...Don't understand India's decision to bowl first...wouldn't it have been better to get some batting practice by batting out 50 overs

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 03:57  

  • yes batting first would have made more sense.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:59  

  • maybe they want to sort out a few bowling issues...since last time around we had some problems in the Nz game

    By Blogger worma, at 04:00  

  • RP getting hit...at first look he looks that kind of bowler...left arm angling across...close to stump...but thats it..no movement in air of off the pitch.....medium pace...so once batsmen gets used to it, just hit across the line..esp on this pitch

    By Blogger worma, at 04:02  

  • Maybe it will turn out to be some contest after all :-)

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 04:04  

  • ilovcecricket...yes..Ganguly needs some runs to chase :-)...wonder how they'll play two spinners in tandem

    By Blogger worma, at 04:07  

  • yes..will be interesting..After all there is Coventry and Blignaut coming in soon..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 04:16  

  • that looked out to me..hitting leg...dang..why dont they show enough replays....and is this hawkeye thing only for the 'rulers' or what ??

    By Blogger worma, at 04:22  

  • wow..yuv is practising hitting the stumps !...noticed that when things were going wrong for india last season even the good fielders were missing the stumps (even when doing a good stop)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:30  

  • Here we go..spin on both..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 04:47  

  • and hitting on both ends now :)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:57  

  • Sean Ervine considering playing for England or Australia after his exploits in yesterday's C&G final.


    Not a bad player at all Ervine. His innings yesterday was better than a run a ball and bowls brisk medium pace. Sort of player who India would love to have in their ranks to fill in the 5th bowler problem. Can India nick Erive to play for them instead??:-)

    By Blogger Harsha, at 04:59  

  • hmm...yeah just imagine nicking a player from a country with only 80 first class cricketers :)...but really, this shows that Zim still has a decent bunch of players...if only they get their back-rooom act together

    By Blogger worma, at 05:02  

  • Hi everyone Just wanted to know Why does SG have to bowl. This guy is an embarrassmant whether he is bowling or batting

    By Blogger jaiho, at 05:03  

  • karthik straying on leg...so was bhajji in fact...

    By Blogger worma, at 05:03  

  • I like the way Zim have been improving with each match

    By Blogger jaiho, at 05:14  

  • Amar,

    Re Ur link to the greatbong blog about the Agarkar/Pathan clash.

    I was watching the match live, this is how it happened Agarkar got hit for 20 odd runs Pathan in the following over got hit for 15 odd runs as always Pathan was supercharged, b4 the beginning of the next Pathan over all players were running about to get to there positions Pathan in his Incredible Hulk act was all pumped up and over excited, Agarkar was running of towards mid off and it was more of one Team Mate telling the other to keep it cool and stick to the job there was no exchange of words or blows or what have you it was just Pathan all pumped up and Agarkar tell him to cool down before bowling the final over.

    Pommie (ZIM commentator not to be confused with a pet) made some stupid remark as if all hell is breaking loose when it was actually nothing.

    It seems most of the ppl without actually seeing the event have gone about posting nonsense in their blogs and blowing the non issue out of proportion.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:19  

  • Guys,
    I think the 5th bowler problem still continues for India. I know JP Yadav has put in a couple of handy performances but really, got to be honest guys, hand on heart, he isnt the solution to the all rounder slot. He has had a poor game today ( atleast so far) and imagine him running up and down on some of those Indian wickets which offer even lesser help than the ones you see here in Zim.I cant get myself to believe that there is no one in the whole of India who can bowl a bit of seam up with a bit of pace and be a decent bat. Something needs to be done to sort this out otherwise, India will continue to be an unsettled ODI team.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 05:20  

  • harsha today its not just a fifth bowler but a 4th bowler problem also...the way karthik is bowling...and btw..about the actual fifth bowler thing, not many teams have a good answer to that...besides Eng

    By Blogger worma, at 05:23  

  • Yuvi just dropped a catch

    By Blogger jaiho, at 05:24  

  • no he didn't jaiho...he did brilliantly to make it look like a catch..cudnt reach it in the end

    By Blogger worma, at 05:26  

  • time to get a pacer in for a spell...otherwise zim looking good..and blignaut still to come..

    By Blogger worma, at 05:30  

  • The bowler are ensuring that India has a decent target to chase. This way the batter can have some practice too.

    By Blogger jaiho, at 05:30  

  • it is good that zim is scoring some runs, indians will get some much needed batting practice, great chance for gangs to get to his 23rd ton

    By Blogger Dennis, at 05:31  

  • Worma, True. Karthik has been dissapointing. I think its so impt for guys like him to grab their chances whenever it comes because he really does not get too many games. There has always been hype around his potential but really if you look over his record, he has rarely delivered.

    Coming back to the 5th bowler issues for India, i think it has got accentuated by the fact that Sehwag seems to have gone off the boil a bit when it comes to bowling and YS hasnt been tried out either. If you look at Srilanka they have the Jayasuriyas, Tillekeratnes and Chandanas to make up the quota, Australia have Andrew Symonds whose econ rate is about 4.5 ( top class stuff for a 5th bowler) Pakistan doesnt have a problem with Shoaib Mallik, Razzaq and Afridi.
    To my mind its really West Indies and India who have the issue with the 5th bowler and looking at the guys playing, dont think it is going to be sorted out soon atleast as far as India is concerned!!

    By Blogger Harsha, at 05:31  

  • jaiho, dennis...yeah nice to have some runs to chase...but I'm not sure if Karthik wanted it this way....was his only chance to impress and get to play in the finals..now it doesnt look likely. With JP having a bad opening spell Zim got away well in middle stages..but I dont think they can maintain it...

    By Blogger worma, at 05:33  

  • harsha...true about 5th bowler, got extra problematic for india because of sehwag and also sachin out. otherwise it wasnt too much of an issue (remember we didnt talk about it that much in the Pak ODI series...where sachin was going great). Aus dont have so much of a problem because symonds is not getting exposed on the subcontinent belters that much. Otherwise they wil also have to use clarke and katich as backup.

    About Karthik..he has been fringes for so long...and during that fringe sometimes he is in good nick...sometimes not (remember the Aus ODI series the last time we had a triangular at home...aus, nz, ind...he was bowling great then). Its the same with other fringe players also...look at McGill...he's being thrashed now...doest mean hes not good enough---its just that place in the team did not get vacant in his 'good form' period...

    By Blogger worma, at 05:38  

  • Worma,

    BOWLING particularly the economy rate is a big problem for India in the ODI's it amazes me after all this years of playing ODI's we have not been able to develop a containing strategy, given the pitches may table tops and what not but still a lot of bowlers the world over appear to have an approach to bowling in ODI's but in India all the bowlers are afflicted by the Jekyll/Hyde syndrome some more than the others. And its more often Hyde comming to play.

    While bashing the likes of Agarkar is fav past time for all of us, on the Economy Rate issue I doubt if we have anyone under 5 in ODI's.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:38  

  • Why does not SG have confidence in Sehwag and Yuvi?

    By Blogger jaiho, at 05:39  

  • ZK, AN, IP who are currently considered the frontline India attack all have atrocious Economy Rates, and same applies for there strike rates as well perhaps.

    In any given match atleast 2 bowlers will always be off the boil leaking runs allowing useless batsmen to become heroes, we never manage to crush any of our opponents.

    & we expect this bunch of pride less, JIGAR less wonders to be world beaters.

    These not in particular reference to this match but the team attitude/approach in general.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:44  

  • bedoon I agree that most bowlers are inconsistent in ODIs..atleast in terms of containment...look at my post after the Nz game...i said thats one of the problems..that even the bowlers in good nick tend to have off days in between...and atleast give away runs..while usually the bowlers in good form are 'atleast' economical...when not taking wickets. Typical example is Pathan recently.
    On the other end, there is a problem of using bhajji as defensive bowler, not asking him to attack enough.

    jaiho I think sehwag was tried enough in SL...does not look like returning to bowling form...maybe hes still trying in nets, maybe they thought let him concentrate on his batting and get that fully back

    By Blogger worma, at 05:44  

  • Gut feel today guys, India is going to lose. Have a feeling that the batting will be a bit too over confident. Hope i am wrong

    By Blogger Harsha, at 05:45  

  • I second that Harsha, Team India has the habit of losing such games and particularly to opponents who are down and out.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:47  

  • harsha why wud the batting be overconfident ? its not as if all of them have been blowing the opposition apart recently!...ganguly hasnt been back fully, neither has sehwag or dravid..yuv needs a more fluent innings...only kaif and dhoni have had decent run in two games...I would be shocked if they are over confident

    By Blogger worma, at 05:48  

  • Worma,

    I am not watching the match just following scoreboard on the net, what the hell is wrong with Bhajji today is the same defensive set up being used today as well.

    Or is the DOOSRA ban and the hawk eye on him making him conscious in attacking.

    Jaggu defends Dada tooth and nail but Bhajji has been forgotted and his confidence damaged.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:50  

  • Worma, True if you apply logic but can you apply logic to anything that this team does?!!? Absolutely agree that none of these guys should be over confident as they are no where near their true potential, but just looking at how this has reacted in the past to such dead rubbers and after winning a game,my instinct says that we are going to see a bit of loose batting today. Time will tell and i truely hope i am wrong.:-)

    By Blogger Harsha, at 05:51  

  • so yadav gets one....his second spell has been his usualy self...first 3 overs were a bit down the leg side...but hes pulled back well enough....so its only karthik who has been really off this game....

    By Blogger worma, at 05:53  

  • Ok just checked Bhajjis returns 7-0-29-0 not exactly leaking runs but against ZIM no wicket and economy of over 4 does not fit his calibre, something seriously wrong with his mental make up.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:53  

  • bedoom...its the same defensive field for bhajji :)..he still managed to bowl decently here, a few top edges etc

    By Blogger worma, at 05:54  

  • today bhajji looked ok to me, not drifting down leg..which i saw against NZ game..his line as well as length was mostly correct...taibu took a few chances and got away with them (like giving him charge, and not reaching the pitch, bowl going to fine leg boundary, or other time aiming to clear midwkt ball going to long off for 4 etc)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:55  

  • Good and Yadav this dude continues to impress, maybe its a education for the selectors ( if one can educated BCCI and its limbs) their is a case for the Yadav, Bangar, Robin Singh mould of players who work hard in a team full of stars

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:55  

  • yeah harsha, lets wait and see....I'm applying logic to GC and his methods...not necesarily to this team...if he is in control then he wont let that happen. lets wait and see, as you said :)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:56  

  • yadav is on the verge of sealing his place in the playing XI, a good show in the final and if india wins, yadav will be a permanent fixture for the next one year at least.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 05:57  

  • On a tangent Worma or any of u other mates does anyone know whatever happened to ROBIN MORRIS of Mumbai he seemed to be in the same mould as Yadav, good fielder reasonable bowler always contributed Runs, perhaps he never had a God Father and now seems to be missing from mumbai squad as well.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:58  

  • dennis yes, except that it shouldnt really be tied to india winning

    By Blogger worma, at 05:59  

  • no idea about Morris, maybe Prem would know. But about Mumbai missing out, I dont think they have much to complain, although I did hear some reports, but no names as to whom they think is missing out. Except Agarkar, who is now playing.
    Blignaut starting his charge...

    By Blogger worma, at 06:01  

  • Good morning guys, :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:09  

  • toney, welcome..you're missing out great action :)

    By Blogger worma, at 06:10  

  • Yeah, regretting my inability to wake up at 330am!!
    Looks like Murali Karthik got the stick, oity. Did he get to bowl a decent spel?? Or was he just taken apart in short spells?

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:12  

  • bowled in 2 spells

    By Blogger worma, at 06:13  

  • wasnt bowling well..wrong line..mostly leg stump and not turning too much

    By Blogger worma, at 06:14  

  • Good hit that from Coventary, He has some power!! or is India like in the past making a hero out of a zero??:-)

    By Blogger Harsha, at 06:16  

  • both coventry and blignaut are hitting well...and RP anyway doesnt look too threatening to me

    By Blogger worma, at 06:17  

  • Worma,Agree. RP seems to be a bit short on pace and the striking thing is that he isnt getting much swing either. Was telling Prem yesterday if he had seen VRV Singh and what he is like. I believe he is known to bowl in the 145K region which is fairly quick by Indian standards. Also do you know what has happened to Munaf Patel? Is he any good?

    By Blogger Harsha, at 06:20  

  • There's another guy, Sri Sant whom people have been talking abt in Ranji cricket for sometime. Looks like he's got some good pace

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:21  

  • Toney, Yeap. Sree Santh is known to bowl at a decent pace as well. I think it was after the WCin 2003 that people started talking about Munaf, RP and Sreesanth. Not seen too much or heard too much of Munaf or Sreesanth of late to guage where exactly they fit.Wonder if any of the others know anything??

    By Blogger Harsha, at 06:24  

  • munaf, i read, had been under-performing in domestic games. Had dropped in pace also, but no one can keep that up on our pitches. and yeah, also read about sri sant. Not about VRV though ? Where does he play from ?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:25  

  • I don't think RP can be effective if it doesn't swing.ZK is a much much better choice. The guy is not one of the best 4-5 india ODI seamer but gets Man of the series in Africa Asia cup. What a joke!!! I think our selectors erred

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:26  

  • Robin morris is not eeven a regular in thee mumbai 11 will now feature afteer munaf's move to Maha

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:28  

  • VRV is from Punjab and was sent to Australia with RP on one of the academy scholarship a couple of months back.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 06:28  

  • finally a catch going to hand !

    By Blogger worma, at 06:29  

  • avinash, Zk is out because of coach's report on his attitude..but he'll be back as regular I think. Is there in tests.
    harsha thx for that info.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:30  

  • Munaf didnt play much in the last season because of injury. He was still selected in 24-26 guys for last camp before lanka tour this yr. VRV went to Australia for some coaching recently. So i guess both are still in picture.

    By Blogger Vick, at 06:31  

  • Good thing a couple of wickets are falling now

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:34  

  • What do you say guys, Agarkar the best bowler on view today for India?

    By Blogger Harsha, at 06:38  

  • On a sidenote, did anyone notice some Muslim bodies have started to murmur on Sania's attire? Not to be offend anybody, but is it more important that Sania be an ambassador for India than an ambassador for the culture-police of the world?

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:38  

  • Any predictions for the batting order? Hope it doesnt need to go beyond N0 5 :).

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:39  

  • harsha, well agarkar and bhajji are the only experienced ones here..and agarkar got to bowl at the start..when zim were more cautious...i think both bowled decently

    toney i expect not much changes in batting order...but maybe JP may bat higher...although now that the total is a bit bigger, and to be taken seriously, I think even that experiment may be done away...dunno where Rao will bat today. What do you think about his place ?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:44  

  • Unfortunately, dont think he'll play in the finals again, hope he'isnt overlooked from now on. And I really wish he gets a couple of chances in the tests. Maybe against SL?? They should offer a reasonable debut, especially in a home series.

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:54  

  • AA is in good yorker bowling form, looking forward to the finals. If he gets rswing and bowls this full length, the Kiwis will have a bit of a problem.

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:56  

  • The big suspense !
    The England Test team is scheduled to be announced in 3 minutes!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:57  

  • 249 is a good score, nothing for the batsman to lose sleep over, yet there's enough to make sure a decent performance is needed. See you guys in 30 mins

    By Blogger Toney, at 06:57  

  • yeah I also hope both he and raina get more chances. Its difficult to see where his test chances would come anytime soon...now we have Jadhav also, and he should get some chances....then even if we 'assume' that end of this season Ganguly goes..even then kaif and yuv waiting, same for laxman's place (assume he also doesnt run into decent form)

    btw...another good thing about AA (for all his fans here :-) ) is that he is one of the few India bowlers who can run through tail...he has always had this ability, and never lost it....India has lacked these kind of 'finisher' bowlers which we see so often there in pak and SL sides

    By Blogger worma, at 06:58  

  • how many times AA has run thru the tails against good opposition?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:00  

  • James Anderson , Paul Collingwood have been named in a 13-man England squad for the final Ashes Test at The Oval

    England squad: Michael Vaughan (captain), James Anderson, Ian Bell, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Flintoff, Ashley Giles, Stephen Harmison, Matthew Hoggard, Geraint Jones, Simon Jones, Kevin Pietersen, Andrew Strauss, Marcus Trescothick

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:04  

  • oh, Anderson ahead of Tremlett, thats interesting...yacrik..dunno the stats of that kind, wonder if they are there ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:06  

  • erm i was just thinking, AA looks to be bowling quite well sporadically in this tournament, Ashish Nehras been bowling quite well since Sri Lanka, Pathan always seems to be quite economical in his opening spells, and has the knack of picking up a couple of early wickets, and ZK just bowled quite well in Afro-Asia cup....so it seems all the seamers r in good nick, just need to maintain performance against better opposition coming up, like England, Pak...but don't know how Bhajjis bowling...sort out batting and India will be on track

    By Blogger ajoy, at 07:08  

  • neone agree?>

    By Blogger ajoy, at 07:09  

  • worma: you made a statement about AA ?? i thought it was based on stats..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:10  

  • will Collingwood play even if Jones plays? I'm inclined to say may be- they might be looking to
    play him ahead of Bell. The selectors made a bold statement by dropping Tremlett.
    Though he didn't get to play, they mentioned his form... that was interesting.
    Anderson is a good pick - has done well in the county matches this season.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:14  

  • well yacrik, i based on statement on what I see of AA (not today..in around 70-80% of his games, which I have seen)...and I know he has his problems (compared to other Indian and international bowlers), which I have agreed and listed here on other occasions. But he does take wickets, and is not a totally worthless/hopeless bowler. So if he good in taking wickets then they must come either of top or middle or tail end ? Right ? Check his strike rate, I'm sure its pretty decent. The ability to clean the tail comes from having a good controlled yorker, decent pace, inswinger, reverse if possible. And he does seem to have all of these.
    Again, not to start a pro vs anti AA debate, I was just making a general observation about one aspect of his game

    By Blogger worma, at 07:22  

  • and yeah the Eng have been praising tremlett quite a lot, that he is bowling well in nets etc. Wonder why bring Anderson back. He is more of a helpful-conditions bowler. How did he do in domestic this season ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:23  

  • Aus 149/0 in 26 ovrs. If the pitch is really this flat, I wonder what was achieved with this two day practise game...except that maybe some Aus players got tired ! Maybe Essex should not have declared and batted for 2 days straight, that would've been fun :)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:39  

  • tremlett didn't do well Yesteday in the C&G final with all selectors watching... Anderson has had a very good season - something like 51 wickets at 31.80 in the CC.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:41  

  • ok, so thats why. Although he did trouble the Aussies in natwest series. And ir remember reading that Vaughan was impressed with him in nets.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:46  

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    By Blogger JD, at 07:50  

  • about AA: In the last 50 matches he has played, 20 times he was not given more than 7 overs.
    20 times!! that is 40 % of the time - he was so expensive - remember he is there as a specialst bowler.

    Compare this to Pathan:

    Irfan was not given more than 7 overs just 5 times.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:51  

  • yes yacrik..sure...thats one of his problem areas...too many runs...we all know and agree. who says hes better than pathan (or any other comparison) ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:52  

  • my statement abt AA was just about 'seeing' him effective against tail, and not just today. Btw, do you know his SR is better than McGrath, Harmison, Pollock, Khan, Nehra and I'm sure a lot of others as well !!

    By Blogger worma, at 07:54  

  • Tremlet has played just 1 ODI against Aussies
    He was the most expensive of them all :

    Gough 10 0 41 0 (3nb)
    Tremlett 9 0 53 1 (1nb, 1w)
    Harmison 9 2 44 1 (2nb, 2w)
    Flintoff 10 0 55 2 (3w)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:55  

  • yes, but I dont think they are looking to save runs in the test. And out of those, they already have Harmy and Freddy in the side. Anderson is a skiddy, swing bowler who relies on some help from conditions. I wonder if Oval would suit his style ?

    By Blogger worma, at 07:58  

  • Sehwag gone!! It better be SG's day today :)2820tmat

    By Blogger Toney, at 07:59  

  • sehwag's problem continues...beaten by the movement...

    By Blogger worma, at 07:59  

  • While next batsmen is about to come, any ideas why we need Harbhajan ?

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 08:00  

  • Why do we need it to be "someone's day" in order to win, why cant the *Team* do it, *sigh* .. then again... If wishes were horses beggars would ride

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 08:06  

  • indiansportsfan lets just say we want all of them to be in good form, but one of them to score big :)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:08  

  • Why does it need to be someone's day?
    I read recently that cricket is an individual sport in team clothing !

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:10  

  • in most matches (by all times) it looks as though there is ONE hero and 10 supporting casts in any given

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:12  

  • i meant by all teams..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:12  

  • Ganguly GONE! another failure !!!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:13  

  • ganguly gone ! not his day after all

    By Blogger worma, at 08:13  

  • Man, what a catch by Sibanda. Ganguly is out. Thanks, its not off of a rising short ball, else would have been 4th in a row.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 08:13  

  • time for RD to get into some series run-scoring form

    By Blogger Toney, at 08:13  

  • Worma, my prediction on track. SG again misses out on a golden chance to get back to form. There is no way he is going to be able to score against Bond and Co on Tuesday and makes me wonder, just how long will the selectors persevere with him in the hope that he will get back his form.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 08:14  

  • LOL If thats how you want to put it.. works for me :-)
    Then again, I guess individual brilliance on its day does come up trumps at times, the best concept of the "team" winning would be SA in late 90's but they were trumped by Lara in 96 and Waugh/Warne in 99 WCs.
    But they (SA) had an overall win percentage of something like 75%, so I would settle for a team effort on most days with certain players elevating their game on the big stage.

    With "Team India" it seems the opposite, players fall all over themselves in league games to score hundreds and come up with the individual effort, and then on the big stage it is a team effort in mediocrity which ends up with us losing *comprehensively*

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 08:14  

  • After 3 legside dismissals he was due for an OFF side one... he got that pretty early .

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:14  

  • yeah harsha, lets see :)
    About persevering with him, well not for too long, if he doesnt get the runs. Doesnt matter how he gets out. But I would still say some more time.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:16  

  • 'Team' performance is not a rule - it does happen once a while..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:17  

  • How about using Ganguly as SuperSub ? May be give youngsters chance. Its not a worthwile investment to let Ganguly play. (I am not saying he is not a GREAT bowler)

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 08:17  

  • Sorry, meant "I am not saying he a Great batsmen (10000+ al that stuff)

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 08:18  

  • why havent we subbed in Rao for Singh or someone yet?

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 08:20  

  • Guys, my take on SG for the Tueday's game is that he should not open.With this kind of form, i cant see how he can score a run opening against Bond and he is going to strangled by the short ball. Instead, he should drop himself to the middle order to play against the softer ball. Will his ego allow him to do that is another matter, lets wait and see.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 08:20  

  • Guys, my take on SG for the Tueday's game is that he should not open.With this kind of form, i cant see how he can score a run opening against Bond and he is going to strangled by the short ball. Instead, he should drop himself to the middle order to play against the softer ball. Will his ego allow him to do that is another matter, lets wait and see.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 08:20  

  • I agree with Harsh, we talked about this in last Ind-NZ match blog.
    If he really wants to justify his position, let him finish the match for India.
    When was the last time this happened ? Discount Kenya/Zim/Bangladesh.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 08:22  

  • Rao has been subbed in already..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:23  

  • indiansportsfan, I think they will sub him soon, if required to bat. harsha I think he cant avoid bond, and more importantly you shouldnt expose someone else, a non-regular, to face bond either. And btw, I can see him scoring runs against Bond and any other bowler (as much as anyone can, against a Bond in form). Its not his run scoring that has been the problem, its just staying at the wicket. If he can avoid getting out to that pull shot, I dont think we'll see too many other problems...catch like today are exceptional..

    By Blogger worma, at 08:24  

  • and even Dravid's problem continues !...he also repeating same mistakes

    By Blogger worma, at 08:26  

  • wow!

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:26  

  • ilovecricket, cricinfo still shows him as unused, so maybe they havent updated yet. Thanks!

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 08:27  

  • Worma:-), Appreciate you backing SG but its going to be a really tall order against Bond on Tuesday. As much as i would like SG to succeed myself, he just isnt playing well.Sorry.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 08:28  

  • Yes..because I distinctly saw the umpire subbing him in and the commentator also mentioed it..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:28  

  • Dravid goes.....and thus india lost once more to zimbabwe....how charitable a team is this ! Amen!

    By Blogger cartan, at 08:29  

  • dravid gone

    By Blogger Yule, at 08:29  

  • well..a good opportunity for India to show how deep they bat...

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:29  

  • yeah, and to show that those who have shown signs of improvement are not looking down

    By Blogger worma, at 08:31  

  • Kaif also gone !

    By Blogger worma, at 08:32  

  • Strange whats up with Dravid....that is one slump he has got himself into..

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:32  

  • what happens if Zim wins? Will India still go to final (may b we hae bonus points...?)

    can someone update on this?


    By Blogger Yule, at 08:32  

  • promises to be an interesting game...

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:32  

  • No India is in the final regardless (thank god)

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:33  

  • yule we've won 2 games, Zim only 1(if they win this one)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:33  

  • looked Plumb! no inside edge

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:33  

  • Yule,India will go through to the final notwithstanding today's impending defeat.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 08:33  

  • India has the dubious knack of turning any match interesting..

    By Blogger Raju, at 08:34  

  • yeah... thankfully... forgot abt it....

    lets see how yadav et al.. will do in this pressure situation

    By Blogger Yule, at 08:34  

  • This is ablessing in disguise ... gives us a chance to test our bench

    By Blogger indFan, at 08:34  

  • Chance for Rao...Hope he grabs it...

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:36  

  • Cricinfo said Kaif stood his ground... a ban for the finals? :-). indfan, Im not sure they wanted to test the bench :) If they wanted to, they would send the guys higher up, at least above dravid, yuvraj

    By Blogger indiansportsfan, at 08:37  

  • indianSportsfan .... I never said this is planned ..... But whatever is happening may be good ... test the bench ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 08:40  

  • Venu Rao super subbed-
    make or break game for him!
    If he fails, could it be the last ODI for a while.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:40  

  • Anybody know if RP can bat a bit?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:43  

  • taling about Venu Rao - another misuse of the the supersub rule! how are they going to stop this?

    more on super sub rule:

    ODI super sub

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:43  

  • or was he subbed?

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 08:43  

  • We will miss Pathan the batsman .... We may already have missed him as a bowler

    By Blogger indFan, at 08:43  

  • RP has been subbed - he can't bat anymore in the game.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:44  

  • The umpire looks like Greg Chappel!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:46  

  • Another face saving Ninth wicket stand .....this time between Yadav and Kar-bhajan

    By Blogger indFan, at 08:47  

  • taibu missing out a trick by not getting in Utesya for Yuv

    By Blogger worma, at 08:48  

  • Prem ... Isn't it good morning yet ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 08:49  

  • If they want to keep the super sub rule beyond its trial period - there needs to a change to stop the misuse.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:52  

  • Guys ... I am not sure how may of you visit the cricketnext.com site ... There is a section called "Caught Off Guard". An attempt to quiz cricket fans .... What do you think of this section .... I think it sucks big time ... Heres a sample

    Who is Venugopal Rao?
    - A Telugu film actor
    - A new Indian batsman who is never sure in which position he will bat for India
    - He loves ducks more than chicken, fish or lamb
    - He is another example of "one-inning heroes" of Indian cricket?

    By Blogger indFan, at 08:52  

  • there u have sunny praising the super-sub rule like it was the biggest thing to hit planet earth....sigh!

    By Blogger cartan, at 08:54  

  • indfan LOL :)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:54  

  • Hayden 150 no at more than 100 SR

    By Blogger worma, at 08:57  

  • Worma ... I dont think it matters .... He will play the 5th test .... perhaps the last of his career .... Fail in both innings .... Looks like the brits have come to terms with his batting ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:00  

  • Not getting a chance to see this match ... I have been trying to get a feel of what is happening by reading the ball by ball description on cricinfo.
    Looks like Venu's bat has only edges ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:02  

  • indfan, it matters only to a very small extent, that he has spent time in the middle. If it was that simple that he would fail 100% surely, then he would have been replaced frm the team ?
    And not the brits, he's been sruggling for form from a long long time (longer than SG!)...started his slump against us in their last Ind tour

    By Blogger worma, at 09:03  

  • indfan, gavaskar also point out that he is playing outside the off stump with angled bat, not good against quality pace bowling, although he got away with it here.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:04  

  • and it also shows that his career may not be over yet (Hayden) since he can still murder poor bowling

    By Blogger worma, at 09:05  

  • Only a faint hope for us in this match .. Wickets down and the run rate creeping ... Two players in the middle playing for themselves .....We may win ... only if Dhoni's "Matka" cricket clicks

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:10  

  • indfan what do you mean playing for themselves ?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:12  

  • I wonder if Fleming is thinking abt his decison not to play Bond and Vettori in the last match,

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:14  

  • Speaking of Hayden, I still dont think he's finished. How many bowling attacks can sustain the pressure that Eng have applied on the Aussies? He still would play qwll on the very true pitches in Aus. I am looking forward to Hussey though. He seemed good, had a level head in the ODIs

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:16  

  • Venu looks as though there is only one area to score - the thirdman region if the ball is on off; if middle-leg, the fine leg area..
    who would have selected him for ODIs...
    or it shows the quality of available talent!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:17  

  • Rao is playing for himself ... Wants a decent score for himself at maybe the cost of india's victory. His strike rate is 52 .... 8 of his 13 runs have come frome involuntary strokes or edges.

    I think Yuvraj too needs a big score ... If Tends comes in after his elbow recovery .... the axe will most likely fall on Yuvi ..... I think it should fall on Gangs but I think Yuvi will be athe fall guy .... Cant think of anyone else ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:17  

  • Indfan, To me Rao is playing well at the moment. True he is a bit slow but you can understand that because he has failed in the previous two innings. But atleast he is applying himself which is good.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 09:19  

  • Harsha .... Agreed .... Point taken...But at what cost .... We are averaging less than 4 and the power play is almost up .... I see only one savior .... Dhoni ..... But his brand of cricket involves too much risk ... not sure if it will come off today ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:21  

  • toney agree abt Hayden. He was in terrible form before ashes, but at the level he is playing now, he would get away against most other oppositions

    yacrik, but we have been complaining about not giving chance to youngsters, and persisting with perpetual under-performers like Yuv....isnt Rao been impressive in domestic, practise, A games etc ?

    indfan, Rao is playing decently given the condition and situation....lets see his game if he lasts for a while. And sure that way everyone plays for 'himself' ? Do you know that the 'entire' Zim side is playing for themselves, each one of them, cos their performance would be reviewd at given central contract accordingly. So ? They still playing well ? Thats all that matters.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:22  

  • about Hayden:
    the majority of the bowling by guys with very high avgs - 37 and 55! that's to in first class cricket.

    The only good bowler Essex have A Nel:
    Nel 5 1 12 0

    If I were aussie, I wouldn't reach much into his 150.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:22  

  • and sachin's return after surgery is atleast 2 months away...lets see the situation by that time..

    By Blogger worma, at 09:22  

  • yacrik, neither would hayden reach much into it, except that he got some net practise in the middle.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:24  

  • I don't think zim has run anybody close for the last year or so, (until now atleast)

    The tendency to get complacent has been the bane of indian cricket team since I donno how long. They won 1 match and they thought all they have to do against zim is show up and the match is theirs. This kind of attitude will ensure that India will only be a good team at best and never a great team

    By Blogger Amit, at 09:26  

  • Is that a game plan by Essex? I think so

    The decent bowler they have bowls just 5 overs!
    deny Aussies any good batting practice..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:27  

  • Worma .... If Tends return and I think he will definately find a place in the 11 .... Who do you think will be left out .... YUVI ....
    We will need 4 bowlers + Yadav + Dhoni + 5 batsman. The 5 batsman pick themselves ... some of them for the wrong reasons though ..... Sachin, Sehwag, Gangs, Dravid and Kaif...
    I can't see room for Yuvi ... except for the supersub ...

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:28  

  • worma: about giving chance to youngesters..

    I got no problems with Raina - looks like ODI type. But Rao? he is in the mold of Akash chopra,
    Ian Bell and co..
    haven't we seen enough? you are watching the video right?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:30  

  • I think Kaif/Ganguly/Yuvraj will fight for the last remaining batting slot.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:31  

  • yacrik, you cant judge anyone by just one innings (his 30+ in SL)...I am not that big an expert to say who is ODI material or not by just one innings, and I dont think anyone else in Indian management would want to do that. there are situations for which his role is suitable...and remember he can 'develope' as long as he has the right mental attitude. They might be trying to judge that. So giving him as mnay chances as possible

    By Blogger worma, at 09:33  

  • Zzzzzz....

    By Blogger cartan, at 09:33  

  • Hey I dont thinkits fair to say that any player pays for himself. If Rao had tried to hit his way out, he would have been irrresponsible. If he tries to graft, he is selfish. At least, he's a new guy, there could be some settling down time, since the gap b/w first class and intl cr4icket has to be bridged (dont know iif that applies to playing Zim). Even if Zim are not a great team, there's that added pressure of playing for India

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:33  

  • I agree with yacrick .... very very difficult for Venu to make it .. We already have two players in the playing 11 with somewhat similar temprament ... Dravid and to some extent Kaif .... thats already ONE too many ... How may do we really need in a 50 over game ....

    By Blogger indFan, at 09:34  

  • yacrik, do u think SG has to fight for his spot? So what would he be, non playing captain (like in Davis cup teams)?

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:36  

  • sorry to say... Venu has loser written all over him in ODIs...

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:36  

  • toney: if players first, captain later - yes SG has to fight. do you think I don't know about playing and non-playing captains... why that question?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:38  

  • yacrik but thankfully the team management does not look at face to decide the future of a youngster. that used to happen earlier.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:39  

  • Poor knock by Venu. Cant understand this though, why was he having difficulty rotating strike against two very ordinary off spinners, Sorry but if you allow pressure to build on you like the way he did, run out is inevitable.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 09:41  

  • worma: I have heard enough of "can't judge by one match , few matches stuff. "

    The way he plays, no front of the wicket strokes at all, always to trying to run the ball to thirdman, I don't even need to see his ONE innings. just a few overs is good enough. Unless he is hiding all his cricketing shots - both defensive and attacking strokes. Does not even look good in defence...

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:41  

  • Hi Guys
    The English weather can now be well called the 'Indian Cricket weather'...the only problem would be the dull/damp weather may last longer than expected! One day they perform well while 'insuring' themselves for the next few matches...
    ...Meanwhile, Aussies are being thrashed by county side..with McGill gone for plenty...
    and to get a better diversion..when is Sania playing today..

    By Blogger ap-dxb, at 09:42  

  • yacrik, seem to take insult, I was only giving an example of non-;playing captain, didnt mean to "educate" you on anything. Dont make a mountain out of a molehill...
    And actually, I agree with you on the best 11 playing for the team. Wish it had applied all the time.

    worma, LOL

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:42  

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