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Sunday, October 16, 2005

Super Test Day 4 - open thread

So...can they pull it off? Nope. Not in my opinion. As I said yesterday, 350+ is a tough ask for any good batting lineup (of any top team)...and this is not even a team...and they are up against Warne and McGill(who is as potent as Warne for half the world). McGrath may still have a bonus wicket or two hidden somewhere.

Anyways...open thread for you guys...

On another note, most of you might have noticed the Discussion Group linked from the main page. Some of you may already have registered. Well...the activity there would start once Prem is back and gives it some direction. It was Prem's idea, with help from Arjun, in having a forum for more focused discussion on topics, rather than the using the not very convenient way of comments section, as we do now.

For those who haven't yet visited it, check it out...create an id...maybe familiarize yourself with the basics. And then, lets see how it goes when Prem is back.

329 Comments:

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  • Some musings abt Day 3 of 'Super' Test

    Nothing Super about it.

    I wonder why its labeled 'Super' Test, when barring a few individuals, there's nothing super about it. And in most probability the test would be wrapped up in 4 days, if Dravid, Lara et all don’t come good ‘again’.

    Today was the day of the WXI bowlers who bowled with fire [9 for 47] and ensured that the lead was be around 350 instead of the 500, which looks quite possible on Day 2. Harmison is definitely good, although he was tends to drift down the leg side there by allowing the batsmen a much needed breather.

    Flintoff on the other hand was impeccable. The 5 balls he bowled to B Lee was pure magic. Lee was trying his best to put bat to ball and getting beating consistently. There were well-directed bouncers coupled with yorkers and out swingers. It’s a pity Harmison took Lee out instead.

    Murali on the other hand was bowling as usual. ‘Unplayable’ would be the defense for Katich. Murali made him and the keeper looks like novice dancers. No idea where the ball would spin after hitting the deck. This link says it better. Murli's magic. Courtesy Cricinfo.

    With WXI chasing 350 to win, McGrath decided to show them who’s the boss. G Smith plays more with his pads and body rather than his bat. Couple of short ones hitting him on his box and body, with an away swinger, which he managed not to touch, he was done in by a superb yorker, which sneaked between his legs and bat (surprise !!)

    Sehwag showed again why he cant be trusted to make much difference in the second innings of a game. He chased a wide ball from Stuart McGill and was snapped up by Gilchrist.

    Dravid played some wonderful strokes for his 17 and Lara was hanging in there for his battle with his nemesis tomorrow. It would take a really special innings from one if not two of the WXI batsmen if they are planning to make a ‘super’ test of this ordinary ‘match’

    Coutesy : Armchair Experts
    http://armchairexperts.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 14:04  

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    By Blogger worma, at 14:12  

  • geoffrey: it was named 'Super' without the advantage of hindsight :-)

    Although some can still say they expected Aus to win....but still the WXI batting could have been better, even while losing.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:13  

  • I guess, Sehwag showed the rest of World XI something to chew on :) Although Aussie batting is equally pathetic, their top order bailed them out twice. Sad part is no one from the WXI, except the bowlers, showed any stomach for a fight.

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 14:16  

  • @worma
    very tuf but not impossible. A certain Brian CHarles is overdue for runs and he can very well take the game away in a session ... if RD gives him company

    Or else, he has the ability to hold it together like he did at Barbados 1999.

    Now it is up to the batters to perform - at least once in the series. From here on, I dont think that being a team (or not) will be an issue for the WOrld X1 - it depends on the individual brilliance of the batters.

    Full marks to Murali, Freddie and Harmy for keeping the World in the game.

    Honestly bowling aus out for below 200 was a great effort and u cud not have expected anything more from them

    By Blogger GK, at 14:16  

  • geoffrey: well the Aus batting failed only in a minor way. Most teams dont make too much in their second innings against good bowling. They maybe 50-70 runs less. Thats all. Anyway they had a good match so far...and thats all that counts

    gk: ofcourse its not impossible :-) This World XI has enough miracle workers in their ranks....one of them can come up with a gem.

    And btw, I do agree that they bowled well in second innings. Small consolation, that.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:50  

  • First innings, Aussie last 5 wks managed 22 runs. Also, if it was not Gilchrist's special innings of 94, Aussies would have ended at 250 odd. Again I know hindsight is pretty helpful :)
    The top order batting is the difference between both teams, victory and defeat.

    Also, is Boucher the best keeper available in the world ? I think Sangakkara is better than the rest.

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 14:56  

  • hmm...i dont know about u guys..but i got a feeling..(or is it just blind hope?) that a certain brian charles lara is going to come good..infact my moneys on these two taking the game away from Oz..heres hoping!..

    By Blogger TheChowmeinWarrior, at 14:56  

  • Expect Lara, Dravid and Kallis to contribute their might to the cause. Not much from Flintoff and Inzi. Vettori will be a nuisance to the Aussie team, provided he has the company of one of the senior statesman (L, D or K). The rest will be passengers ....

    By Blogger indCric, at 16:40  

  • Sangakkara would have made the difference .... Anyway thats pure speculation ...

    By Blogger indCric, at 16:41  

  • Rest of the world will be boweled out under 200

    By Blogger J, at 17:03  

  • once the ball is 40 overs old.. pitch turns into a minefield.. thats what I have noticed..

    so dont expect beyond 250..

    However tou never know.. Flintoff can again be the key.. provided Dravid hold one end till the end..

    I dont expect Lara and Inzi to do mch..

    Kallis will play 100 balls again..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 17:25  

  • Both Lara and Dravid are McGrath bunnies. McGrath's first spell will be crucial. If he knocks either one or both the overnight batsman .... its curtains ... finish / finitons. It will knock out the wind out of the world X1 sails

    By Blogger indCric, at 19:03  

  • seems like it will be a delayed start.. so better go excercise and come back and face the mcgrath music..

    Mcgrath and Warne are the best bowlers in the history of cricket IMHO.. but the current ROW does not contain even the best batsmen of their generation..

    Looking at the pitch

    So its AUS 90: ROW 10

    I am still looking for a joker in the pack.. whom it could be.. Flintoff.. Vettori..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 20:03  

  • they're starting

    By Blogger roublen, at 20:51  

  • full toss missed outside off stump

    By Blogger Jiet, at 20:54  

  • Agree with TheChowmeinWarrior and gk! BC Lara... fingers crossed to see another gem from him today. He is overdue for a good innings.

    By Blogger anantha, at 20:55  

  • These Aussies are funny...you hit a cracking shot and they yell "catch it" like it has been lobbed up

    By Blogger Jiet, at 20:56  

  • and he just left an incutter. not a good sign. OTOH you always need a bit of luck at the beginning.

    By Blogger roublen, at 20:57  

  • I am still hoping to see a repeat of that backfoot on drive from RD (off one of the leggies)

    By Blogger Toney, at 20:57  

  • possibility of inside edge as per Holding... there was a huge edge

    By Blogger Toney, at 20:58  

  • Is anyone else having a lot of buffering problems on sportingstreams?

    By Blogger Ashvin Iyengar, at 20:59  

  • well how many cracking shots have we seen the Aussies turn into wickets? countless. Mainly when Mark Waugh was fielding, true, but still.

    By Blogger roublen, at 20:59  

  • ashwin, thankfully no problem for me. And my laptop is on wireless conn

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:00  

  • like the red bull ad

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:00  

  • Actually is see some good signs from Dravid's footwork. Even though he was beaten by the incutter, he is playing forward rather than playing from the crease. Gives him a better chance of keeping it out

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:00  

  • Fair enough ... but my point was that this is another way of getting to the batsman..."we almost got you there"

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:02  

  • yeah, it's a way of saying "Hey, look behind you! made you look."

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:04  

  • was that for lbw or caught behind?

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:07  

  • didn't touch, AFAICS

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:08  

  • caught behind, must be. missing for height if it was lbw

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:08  

  • Whats AFAICS?

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:09  

  • as far as I can see

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:10  

  • Did anyone notice, 5 tests for 733 runs this year for BCL, not exactly in bad form

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:11  

  • I`m guessing its "as far as i can see"..

    By Blogger NaReN, at 21:11  

  • thanks roublen, something new for me :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:11  

  • interesting.. they are going through a tough time agains mcgrath. i just want them to bat for 2 days.. they will get the score. put a premium on staying!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:13  

  • losing now, tough ask

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:13  

  • lee doesn't seem to pitch it up very often. or does he just get lots of bounce?

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:14  

  • WS 1-0. mid 3rd.

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:14  

  • toney:

    If Lara can reduce his shuffle, he can ride out McG and Lee. RD is looking set too. First hour or hour and half is crucial. If these two can ride it out, maybe we can see another Eden Garden here!!

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 21:15  

  • toney: i know. but if this line up doesnt who else can.
    Oh no. yikes. 1-1 WS-LAA.

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:15  

  • wait till the ball gets old, Warnie will show why this is next to impossible. Of course, I do hope these guys prove me wrong, which is why I am watching

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:16  

  • contreras not looking sharp today

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:17  

  • toney: i want RD and IH to play Warne and McGill. They can handle the spinners on any track

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:19  

  • if inzi moves his feet:)

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:20  

  • lnow, not sure IH has a great time against SW

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:21  

  • is it just me or have these 2 decided to forget the singles and rely on the occasional boundary?

    By Blogger NaReN, at 21:21  

  • jiet, the batters might be hazing the bowlers when they shout NO for obvious non-runs.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:22  

  • toney:maybe..but i do not have any faith in Kallis against the spinners. So only RD, BL or IH can take them through..of course, if they survice Mcgrath...who has always cleaned them up.

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:22  

  • naren : no need to take risks. you have 3 full days.

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:23  

  • losing now, rahul dravid has a known problem against warne.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 21:23  

  • lnow, BCL is the best option. If he can maul Murali, then why not MacGill or even SW

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:23  

  • roublen...I think Dravid is relying on the experience of running with Ganguly, Laxman et al

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:25  

  • Boycott averages 47+ against the best of WI pace bowlers, thats handy

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:26  

  • toney... wonder what holding thinks of that. ;)

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:28  

  • Did anyone tell Dravid this is just a 6 day Test?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 21:28  

  • jiet, Holding supposedly bowled the greatest over against Bocott, so he shouldnt mind

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:28  

  • come on yac, he;s playing well.

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:29  

  • naren, I think they're running singles when they come, they're just not trying to angle the bat to create singles.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:31  

  • If (and its a big if) BCL gets into Watson, the Aussies will have a few headaches when the WI tour soon because they are on the lookout for that Aussie Freddie and Watson is said to be the next big thing

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:31  

  • SKW on!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:31  

  • toney: you are right...according to MM, BCL is best player of spin!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:33  

  • toney...they say he bowled some really fast spells. I think that is the key. Bowling fast throughout a spell unlike trying to bowl the fastest ball

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:33  

  • what are the rules for wides in tests?

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:34  

  • roublen, think the rules are same. A delivery which is beyond a batsman (in his crease) to play a normal shot or something, the umpires though dont enforce it as strictly, something I feel they dont have to be sympathetic to

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:35  

  • toney: how do you define 'playing'? scoring or crease occupation?

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 21:36  

  • well, the longer this match takes, the harder its gonna b to get runs , so IMHO they shud cash in as much as they can now.. at least on lee !

    By Blogger NaReN, at 21:37  

  • great TV...fixing footholds. The aussies are good!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:37  

  • Law 25: Wide ball. A ball is a wide if the batsman can't hit it from the normal standing position or from where he is actually standing.

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:39  

  • didn't mcgrath used to come around the wicket to Lara?

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:39  

  • Survived first hr!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:39  

  • The event of a ball being delivered by a bowler too wide or high to be hit by the batsman, and ruled so by the umpire.
    A run scored by the batting team as a penalty to the bowling team when this occurs.
    To be ruled a wide, the umpire at the bowler's end must judge that the batsman is unable to play a normal batting stroke at the ball from his normal batting stance. The umpire signals a wide by holding both arms out horizontally.

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:40  

  • Roublen, always. BCL slashed at deliveries and got caught at point, even when McG bowled around the wkt

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:41  

  • I remember I was once umpiring a street match, the batsman grew wild with fury because I didn't call a really slow ball bowled wide of leg.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:42  

  • The difference between Tests and ODI for wides is that they are more lenient with bowling far outside the off and down leg side.

    Nice back-foot cover drive by Lara

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:43  

  • toney, do you know why Mcgath stopped?

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:44  

  • damn

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:44  

  • dravid gone!! Goat to SW

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:44  

  • ok, thats one less guy to watch

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:44  

  • just like in the 1st innings, seemed like he played too early. also didn't really move his feet much.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:45  

  • roublen, I guess McG and the rest want to find new ways to dismiss him :) I mean, whats with that prodigious shuffle of his? No matter how could a player you are, I think you'll struggle against these guys with that

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:46  

  • i'm shocked. he played too early.

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:46  

  • super shot, the second one

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:49  

  • I never really understood what Warne's drift meant. I though it meant he just angled it in.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:49  

  • THat was a good ball from Warne...pitched on the stumps so Rahul had to play at that.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:49  

  • Oh my god. What a shot by BCL.. the second one

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:49  

  • Alright. WS 2-1

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:50  

  • roublen, its kind of like swing (though not the same thing). What I havent understood is, with the drift, the effective amount of turn decreases a bit. So, shouldnt the batsman find it easier to negotiate the turn?

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:51  

  • this is great batting..and battle

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:53  

  • OK one more

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:54  

  • gone!!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:54  

  • well, if a batsman tries to cover the line before he plays a shot, with the drift, the line changes. So Dravid had to bring his bat in a little bit to cover the drift, then he had to change direction and bring it back out to cover the turn.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:54  

  • chalo. IH to show his wares now!

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:55  

  • Toney,

    I think there is a trade off between the control over the drift and the amount you tweak it...Warne has acquired the skill to drift the ball and get it to turn away sharply

    By Blogger Jiet, at 21:55  

  • So, is Inzi to defend the honour of Pakistan?!

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:55  

  • the kia woman's voice is annoying, yet oddly irresistible.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:56  

  • jiet, disagree with you on that. I think you see more drift for the big turners in cricket (not MacGill though), something to do with the extra revs you give the ball which gives it life in the air. I would love it if someone could give the real scientific explanation for drift, like for swing

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:57  

  • roublen, LOL irresistible?

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:58  

  • JK looks like a sitting duck

    By Blogger losing now, at 21:58  

  • well, not irresistible, maybe hypnotic is a better word.

    By Blogger roublen, at 21:59  

  • Drift 1. n. sideways movement of the ball through the air on its flight towards the batsman when bowled by a spin bowler, may be caused by differential airflow around the spinning ball and/or the wind.

    By Blogger Toney, at 21:59  

  • missing leg

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:00  

  • out..inzi

    By Blogger ilovecricket, at 22:01  

  • Ha, Inzi gone. Well done, hope he keeps his mouth shut from now on. And so should Imran Khan, the guy who keeps saying Inzi could play pace better than SRT (about 10-12 yrs ago).
    Play against McG, Brett etc in Aus, then speak mate.

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:01  

  • iH gone!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:01  

  • that was missing leg...

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:01  

  • Oh yeah, missing leg

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:02  

  • bad decision..RK!

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:02  

  • I think one of the problems is that umpires might have some macho desire not to use the third umpire

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:03  

  • Exactly toney. Cant seem to walk the talk !!! First wont play, then will play for country. Nice !!!

    By Blogger Geoffrey George, at 22:03  

  • Well...there you have it...technology cannot save us from Bucknor-like attitude

    By Blogger Jiet, at 22:04  

  • yikes.. LAA 3-2

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:05  

  • well, perhaps the reasoning is that the money he's making will be good for the Pakistan economy.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:05  

  • white men's burden: kallis, flintoff, boucher, vettori

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:06  

  • roublen, abt 700 militants are said to have died. Things happen for a reason, though I might sound very insensitive when I say this

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:07  

  • There are about 3000 militant camps in that area. I know it is insensitive, but about time God played fair!

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:09  

  • I dont want to celebrate anybody's death.. but believe in Karma..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:10  

  • off cricket, but it seems this was the reason why they declined help from Bade Bhaiya, according to a JKLF person

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:10  

  • and still those people hail allah...

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:11  

  • the earthquake? no way, way more indians died than 700, kids, innocents. besides, as kush tandon says, earthquakes don't kill people, buildings do.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:11  

  • jk will not survive .. he is clueless

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:11  

  • roublen, this was in PoK, not talking abt proper J&K

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:12  

  • i wish tendulkar was in the middle, he would rise to the occassion and show the world his class

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:12  

  • I believe in karma, also believe in free will and that god isn't up in the clouds somewhere plotting whom to hurt and whom to help. God lets the order of the universe run its course, including the order of dharma and the order of karma.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:14  

  • i think SRT, VVSL would be best against this attack.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:15  

  • Thanks Roublen.. for the lesson on Gita!

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:15  

  • Yesterday I was watching a commentry about "violence on women in Pakistan".. Big number of responsible male speakers (the MPs and tribal chiefs and a guys who spoke fluent English and was playing golf in the documentry) clearly and loudly said that honor killing are perfectly acceptable to them.. However I still wonder that if a woman lacks character, a man has to have an involvement in ti.. so why kill the woman alone..

    But then, this is scenario 2, they will accept the death of thousands, but wont take help in order to save their honor..

    Murdereres.. In good and the bad!

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:15  

  • SRT, and VVS, yes. Especially VVS playing some of those unbelievable shots against the spin

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:16  

  • had this been somewhere in the subcontinent, the aussie would whin about the quality of the pitch.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:16  

  • T Chappel,
    President Mushy himself went on record (on the Washingotn Post?) saying that women found this to be a shortcut to Canada !! Then, cant blame the rest of those "men" in Pakistan

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:18  

  • lol even navjot singh would be better against warne n macgill

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:18  

  • ruchi, nothing wrong with this pitch. Bit in it for the bowlers, bowling is v good.

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:18  

  • Aussies have always been sour losers... but if a loser is not a sour loser, he wont become a winner ever.. looking at the current level of competitiveness..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:20  

  • losing now, ;) just wanted to clarify that I do believe in prayer. Prayer is an action like any other action.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:20  

  • toney, isn't that the case with most subcontinent pitches?

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:20  

  • a religion that includes a festival when a goat is slaughtered by people of all ages n sex cannot possibly promote peace.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:22  

  • ruchi, I dont have a problem with subcontinent pitches at all. In fact, I am all for making them in favour of the home team, else where is the challenge? Would Eng prepare good batting beautys for us when we tour?

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:22  

  • the white guys need to find something to blame on when they lose..

    subcontinetal dustbowls..

    all pitches help some kind of bowlers.. sometimes its their bowlers, sometime its ours..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:22  

  • ruchi, yeah I saw a bit of the mumbai match, didn't seem like the pitch was that horrible.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:22  

  • toney/Chappel : do not get me started on Islam. A religion - which by word of GOD - denies half of its followers - women - fundamental rights. A religion that believes those who do not believe in their book - the Koran - are all infidels. Equality and tolerance - pillars of modern society - what are they. Ever wonder, why some of the most successful Muslims - barring the oil-inheritors - are in India (a tolerant, democratic society).

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:23  

  • toney, you're assuming we have an advantage on a spinning pitch.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:24  

  • Yippee! Crede HR. Tied 3-3

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:24  

  • losing now, wont comment on Islam (for that matter any religion) to avoid bad vibes here :). I could guide you to a very good site though.

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:25  

  • I think pak cricket and pak in general can learn something from the desi's. One major problem .... they talk too much ... The problem goes all the way up in the hierarchy .... Including the likes of Mush. Remember a statement from Narayan Murthy .... Thinks Indians talk too much for their achievements ... I wonder what he thinks of Pakis.

    By Blogger indCric, at 22:25  

  • roublen, we do. There's no other team, with such good players of spin. Take VVS & SRT, there's no one with better technique to cope with spinners.

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:26  

  • toney : send me the link

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:27  

  • Manjrekar having a jab at the fake 18 year olds (from our dear neighbour??) when discussing 18 yr old SRT's century at SCG

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:27  

  • sorry guys. you are right.. not the place to get that started.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:28  

  • toney, that's actually been something that disappointed me on the last Australian series. VVS got out 3 times to McGill. didn't seem like he was using his feet and playing spin like he used to.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:28  

  • if the ICC intends to make the super series an annual fixture it has to be hosted by sme other country, 11 players should not have an unfair unadvantage, but all said and done Aussies have shown what they are made up of.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:28  

  • OK, at the risk of revealing my feelings, I do read http://www.jihadwatch.org/ often. PLease do remember, I am not against any religion, I have lots of friends with very diverse beliefs, so hopefully no one judges me on this

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:28  

  • toney :I LOLed at the SM comment too.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:28  

  • ruchi, good point, But if they hold it in India, guys like Kallis and Smith will continue to struggle

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:30  

  • LOL about the fake 18 year olds. used to run into these guys at tennis tournaments.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:30  

  • toney, the motive of the ICC is to get more people to watch cricket, what better than India, but just a thought they could hold it in some desi majority US state.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:31  

  • toney: do not worry. i have friends of every religion..still you know, nobody is generalizing.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:31  

  • Katich took that one. Insulted i believe ;-)

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:32  

  • everyone,

    I am straight shooter..

    I firmly belive in the fact that if you dont go after them, they will come after you.. Hence I hate our communists who found it very irritating that we didnt vote for Iran.. in IAEA meetings..

    what the fu**

    They conviniently forgot that Iran does not give us gas any cheaper.. Iran needs some buyers whom it can respectably sell it gas to and get the payment without much fuss..

    They also forgo that that Iranian named Nadirshah came to delhi and murdered all the males in the city in a single day..

    However, Hitler was communist's idol till the day he was honoring the pact of non-agreesion with their dad Stalin.. they also ended up making a fool of themselves when they supported the communists who came to power for a day in Moscow.. in early 90s.. they never found any fault with China..

    and they think they are the THINK TANKS.. bloody appeasers..


    I will say "O USA! Go after Iran.. Saudi Arabia.. Pakistan.. "... they cant have fun of their life and live in the luxory just for the heck of it without breaking a sweat.. just because they happen to live above something named oil which they never had a part in producing..

    So that oil is as much as mine as theirs..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:33  

  • did anyone see Katich almost got killed? people condemned to field at FSL face that danger.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 22:33  

  • yacrik, somebody's got to field at short leg, and it has to be one of the batsmen. who else is there but Dravid or Sehwag? I suppose Smith could do it, but he seems big and quite slow.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:36  

  • t chappel,
    you read a bit of Rajeev Srinivasan? Seems to be very similarily aligned. I kind of agree, though.
    You know what, I used to be frustrated with this whole ally business by USA wrt Pakistan. But the recent reports which state that Pak is still a target state mean that USA is trying a bit of appeasement there, on the lines of what Hitler received. USA seems to be trying to pacify Pak so that they arent hurt. This could lead to very bad consequences

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:36  

  • yac, another thing I noticed was that Katich keepps looking at the ball rather than taking evasive action, no wonder he takes some sharp catches too

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:37  

  • ROUBLEN, Who's Kush Tandon ?

    By Blogger Prasad, at 22:37  

  • thanks chappel..now that we are discussing these commmies in India. Let me ask you this. An ex-KGB guy's book said that congress and Indira gandhi et al were on the Soviet "payroll". Is that not treason and are they not traitors. Now why is the Indian media not taking this up. Where is the outrage. Even if it is not true, do we not have to investigate this "officially". Instead the "napunsak" media, is singing praises of Rahul and Sonia. Sometimes, i wonder, we deserve this "criminal" Gandhi dynasty...we are stupid.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:39  

  • The USA firmly believes in the "use and discard" policy.I think Pak has still not reached its "use by" time. Thanks to a friend called Bill Laden .....Just a matter of time .... before they step up the heat on pak ...

    By Blogger indCric, at 22:39  

  • yeah.. toney.. I like him.. Shekhar Gupta, Ramanathan Sen Gupta(I guess I remember his name right)..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:39  

  • indcric, did you get sportingstreams sorted out?

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:40  

  • tc, I dont like Shekar Gupta in that list. I do like the interviews he does though

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:40  

  • good one TC but suddenly why this in cricket forum? Atleast add some SG into Iran and oil thingy to please dadagiri, bouncer etc ;-)

    By Blogger J, at 22:40  

  • Toney ... Yes I did ..Thanks a lot .... I must say their web site is very cryptic ... The navigation sucks .... Need to get their web site better organized

    By Blogger indCric, at 22:42  

  • toney - Shekhars editorials on express india are really good. Precise, clear and rational

    By Blogger J, at 22:42  

  • http://www.kushtandon.squarespace.com/

    He's warning that a BIG earthquake is going to happen for the Himalyan region at some point and will cause havoc unless the buildings are modified

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:42  

  • Iran is, IMHO not as big a threat as KSA and Pak. And Pak is very wary of Shia Iran, they dont exactly see eye to eye with the Sunnis

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:42  

  • roublen: yes, somebody has to do it; it's like saying someone has to sweep the floor;
    who often people volunteer to do it? it's only ex-convicts that do it the developed world.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 22:43  

  • loosing now.. I am not a fond of these inverstigations because some more guys will submit fake bills and get re-imbursed by GOI.. nothing will come out of them anyway..

    As we are a countly of frausing and farce mongers, I dont find it strange that they support totally unqualified people inorder to save their asses because they arent any better either..

    Congress has always been a party of ass-kissers.. I always found it funny that many old veterans faling on the feet of a woman, who will run the govt but wont like to held accountable.. all in the name of sacrifice..

    I dont like BJP either though..

    So as such, I am a person who cant find anybody to support..

    So I am in USA..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:43  

  • j, Oh, I agree, but for some reason, I havent taken to Gupta at all, cant really define the reaosn though :)
    By the way, as long as communists continue to get elected in INdia, they remain our biggest threat (or at least in my home state of Kerala)

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:44  

  • thanks chappel - lot of things happen in Rajasthan, UP villages similar to honor killing. In fact the entire village belt is plagued by this.

    By Blogger J, at 22:45  

  • country of fraudsters..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:45  

  • yacrik, I am a person of STATURE & RESPECT. Besides, it's against my religion to sweep the floor. (agree, BTW)

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:46  

  • toney - our elections are all hit and trial. No body knows whats going to happen and all parties that fight each other in elections and sometimes kill also( read mostly in WB and Bihar), get together again with seat alignment and all.Moreover we sitting overseas do not get any chance to vote. UNfortunately we cannot do anything but talk

    By Blogger J, at 22:47  

  • j you do get to vote, i think you have to go talk with the indian high commission or something not sure.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:48  

  • I am not sure how many of you read Deccan Hearald .... A moron called Deve Gowda is challenging Narayana Murthy on Nation building

    By Blogger indCric, at 22:49  

  • ruchim you sure? I thought you had to be in India to vote.

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:49  

  • former pm Gowda?

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:49  

  • Deve Gowda used to be PM, right?

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:50  

  • Yea ... he used to be a PM ... Now he is also a retard apart from being a moron

    By Blogger indCric, at 22:50  

  • he was a retard when in power too. Dod nothing much other than sleep in Parliament. Whats his problem with Murthy?

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:51  

  • even more pathetic than the Indian team is the way the Janata Dal fell to pieces.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:52  

  • j..

    I am from UP but I dont know whether I fall in the same belt or not .. the one you are talking about..

    We have lived under the influence on Mugal culture for close to a thousand years.. so all of it will be wiped awayin a span of a 50-60 years.. is not that I expect..

    But I have not found anybody ever who supports it or spoke in favor of supporting it.. There has been some cases in these areas but frequency is as low as ganguly's sixes to bowlers of quality off-late..

    Its like accusing that India still practices Sati.. if there are a couple of cases in couple of decades..

    However these honor killings are .. may be 50 in a decade.. in the whole belt ..

    However police always comes to investigate these case.. they eat money and declare it suicide.. which is what hurts me most..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 22:54  

  • I should have said "BCCI" rather than "Indian team". I like the team itself.

    By Blogger roublen, at 22:54  

  • ah, dewe gowda, isn't he the guy who could not even speak proper hindi when giving his independence day speech.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:56  

  • Toney ... Read this ... http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct172005/index20484820051016.asp.....
    There was a recommendation to set up an Urban Governance committee by the think tanks ..... The nitwit called Gowda thinks the focus should be ONLY on rural development .... Sure he will lead us to the dark ages .... Very soon we will be envying the likes of Afghanistan and Somalia

    By Blogger indCric, at 22:57  

  • i m sorry guys wrong info, you cannot vote unless you are serving as an employee of the govt of india (does not matter if you are abroad)

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 22:58  

  • guys do you know what's disappointing, people of my generation (18-20 yr olds) dont take an interest in politics, and now city blokes are also not really interested in cricket (the reason i come onto this blog)

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 23:00  

  • Ruchi ... Interesting .... Why would city blokes not be interested in cricket .... What has being in city got to do with liking cricket ....

    By Blogger indCric, at 23:02  

  • t chappel, if you say that honour killings number only 50 in a decade, you are nowehre close. They are much more, at least as per BBC.

    By Blogger Toney, at 23:02  

  • well, neither could Rajiv Gandhi. not even sure how good Nehru's hindi was. To say nothing of Sonia Gandhi.

    Deve Gowda was a nice man actually, honest & not corrupt, which is one reason he doesn't seem to have very much resources these days. But as toney pointed out, not much point working 18 hours & sleeping 4 hours a day if you're going to doze off whenever you're in public.

    By Blogger roublen, at 23:04  

  • the craze for f1 racing and english league, back in india there was always competition for tv between me and my brother, he wanted to watch f1 or soccer while i wanted to watch cricket.

    By Blogger Ruchi Shah, at 23:04  

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