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Saturday, October 15, 2005

The Super Test Match : Day 3 open thread

I don't know what to make of this....most of the top(5) test teams would probably have done better than this collection of stars. And this is Sydney, the most batting-friendly of all Aus test venues!

As of now...this test looks like heading towards only one direction....and it won't need 6 days to get there. Lets see if RD or Freddie have a different plan when they bat the second time around. As for Aus batting, a minimum lead of 350+ is looming...and beyond that, its hardly likely to matter if World XI bowled well or not.

Open thread for you guys...again looks unlikely for me to catch any action...


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    By Blogger Lester, at 19:12  

  • this sper team is a farce.. I dont want to sound as I am speaking in hindsight.. but tell me this, when did Dravid make runs against Mcgrath or Warne.. When did Inzi perform in australia.. does he play leg spin well.. no. Did boucher keep to spinners of any worth ever.. no. Is he even the best wicket-keeper bat in ROW.. no.. its Sangarakara..

    For lara, its a start of season.. everyone struggles.. A strauss would have been more useful I guess..

    Ofocurse without SRT, no world 11 is complete..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 20:58  

  • I saw a re-play... Hayden gets hit on his ass by murali and is giben not-out... then I remember SRT given out when hit on shoulder by McGrath... wish 3rd umpire could decide then...

    By Blogger Ruchir Joshi, at 21:09  

  • "when did Dravid make runs against Mcgrath or Warne"

    *cough* hello, greatest test of all time?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 21:15  

  • roublen - which test are u referring to. McGrath and Warne were not playing in the 2003-04 test series.

    thanks chapel is spot on

    By Blogger MM, at 21:31  

  • eden gardens, 2001. true that I can't remember him scoring against mcgrath in australia.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 21:49  

  • mm,
    roublen is referring to Kolkata 2001- Dravid scored 180, featuring in mammoth partnership with Laxman. How could you forget? Cynics will say that was at home, but Dravid's record all over the world indicates a player that can perform in all sorts of conditions against all types of attacks. The one-sided nature of the Super Series simply has to do with the ROW players not caring as much as the Aussies. The Aussies want the win a whole lot more.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 21:53  

  • whoops,
    looks like roublen answered for himself

    By Blogger Sahir, at 21:54  

  • oh yes of course - I stand corrected !

    Aussies are on a roll. Murali and Vettori are not having any impact.

    Oh - Hayden falls - bowled by Harmison

    By Blogger MM, at 22:15  

  • yeah the radio commenters were calling it a "knuckle ball". ie. Harmison bowls a yorker slowly and with a bit of movement in the air.

    interesting how baseball techniques might be coming into cricket.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 22:22  

  • guys.. i'm not sure about RD as a permanent fixture in the Indian team till WC'07. Thoughts?
    Clarke gone too.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:25  

  • i could not understant GS captaincy..bringing harmison in late!

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:25  

  • Speaking of Baseball. Go White Sox. Finally, looks like they are going to the World Series

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:26  

  • yes, but losing now, no one is a permanent fixture in the side for WC 2007. Is there anyone who is a better bet than Dravid?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 22:29  

  • yes. The only certainty on performance IMHO are IP,YS,MK and VS. I think RD's place in ODI is iffy..and with WK option not available .. not completely gauranteed.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:33  

  • oh..what a sat night.. Got my McCallan on rocks. Cricket and Baseball in PIP. My sox are winning. 164/3 at lunch.
    2 more runs for WS..8-2 now!! Woo hoo.

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:36  

  • IP hasn't proved himself against quality opposition. There's a chance that if people study him and figure out his swing, IP's performance could drop dramatically.

    MK sucked during the challengers. YS is notoriously streaky and has holes in his technique. VS is probably a sure thing, but iffy commitmment to Chappell's regime of fitness and fielding. As jiet pointed out, he doesn't like balls bounced into his body, and it's possible opponents could exploit that.

    I think Dravid is clearly the best choice to lead, but I could certainly be wrong.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 22:48  

  • if Dravid goes through a big slump, he can be replaced, but I don't think Dravid is more likely than any other player in the side to go through a slump.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 22:50  

  • Great defense will always beat great offense. True in most sports. WS and Aus - classic examples. Great pitching winning for WS. Great bowling winning for Aus. India did well whenever their bowling clicked. Ex. WC'83. WC'03 till the finals, Aus home series 2001. There is a lesson here..develop bowling!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 22:57  

  • WS Win. Ws Win. Holy Cow!! 3 straight complete games. Woo hoooooooo!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:03  

  • As far as I am concerned, Only Dravid and VVS gives me confidence on any pitch.. when they bat, my heart does not bounce just like the ball on the pitch.. SRT after 30 minutes on the pitch is the same.. Kaif also is OK but he does not look like he can change a game.. he either will win you a sure shot game comfortably or get you decent scores which we wont be able to defend looking at the current crop of bowlers.. Sehwag as an opener in ODI will give us few and far between sweet occasions..

    so if the pitches are falt, we wont win much..(Indian curators dont share that view though.. obviously). Even team with mediocre bats fare equal to our classic bats on a flat pitch and our bowling look much worse.. so India needs to make lively pitches to win more at home.. specially against all oppositions other than Eng and Aus.. against those oppositions, spin is our only bet.

    I guess time has come to get rid of guys who have holes.. like Yuvi.. we need some solid bats before the current crop of SRT and RD gets old.. Kaif and Yuvi being the senior bat at that time will suck.. so at a stage we will be with bad bats and worse bowlers..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 23:03  

  • couldn't agree more, losingnow. The core of a great team is its bowlers. However it's much more true in Tests than onedayers. In onedays, your best bowler can only play 60 balls, your best batsman can play a 120.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:04  

  • ponting gone ....good ball from freddie

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:24  

  • gilchrist next:)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:25  

  • almost a duck!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:26  

  • that was a hell of a doosra

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:26  

  • Boucher effs it up. Pontiung gone!! Come on, man. katich gone too.

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:26  

  • Poor Boucher...he is having more troble then Katich

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:26  

  • gilchrist can't pick the doosra

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:26  

  • caught and bowled! 4 amazing balls from murali. gilchrist looked utterly clueless.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:27  

  • 3 great balls in a row. Now we know why we needed Sangakarra

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:28  

  • Katich gone then...his nightmare ends and Boucher's will continue

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:28  

  • sorry that was katich.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:29  

  • batsmen crossed at the end of Freddie's over

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:29  

  • whatever you say.. murali/vettori have been disappointing so far. AF/SH provided the breakthroughs. Now Murali has his tail up. Let's see. if they get them under 200.. GAme ON!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:29  

  • the doosra looks like a leg-spinner.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:30  

  • one more wicket.. and the tail is exposed

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:31  

  • Get the feeling there are couple of spots on the pitch to exploit for the spinners. You know who is going to be happy to see that

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:32  

  • jiet..i know it will be warne. but Sehwag should be a matchwinner on this one. if they chase around 350

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:33  

  • Nice...Freddie getting some reverse here ...and Murali looking pretty scary

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:33  

  • there we go.. Watson should have knicked that one. <200 looking possible

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:35  

  • Gone!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:35  

  • Gilchrist gone..Murali strikes

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:36  

  • Gilly goes....to Murali!!!

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:36  

  • Alright! Warne to Murali...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:37  

  • didn't seem to be anything special on the ball, just a good ball that gilchrist nicked.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:38  

  • glichrist gone.. and sehwag lifts murali again.. (should be lifting him with his bat in the next series)

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 23:38  

  • mutthiaaaah muralitharan!!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:38  

  • holy molly.. that was a ripper. Warne survives

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:39  

  • Get the feeling that Aussies are getting stuck on the crease...comms mentioning the speed at which Murali is bowling.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:40  

  • great ball from murali. it seems that murali and warne both bowl 5-10 km faster than other spinners who turn the ball. How fast is Kumble? 90-95? Anyone know how fast karthik & harbhajan are?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:41  

  • bhajji at his best bowls in the low 80's I think.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:42  

  • The OZ tail will be cleaned up by Murali pretty soon.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:44  

  • Kumble has been bowling slower than usual at about 90-95...sued to bowl at nearly 100

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:44  

  • thanks, jiet

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:45  

  • guys Bhajji and Kumble...are no where near the class of MM, SW..sorry, and how sad that the land of spin has not produced a good spinner in a while..and there goes warne? referred to 3rd ump

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:45  

  • glove..and he should be out..

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:46  

  • great catch .. but given not out..

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:46  

  • not 100% sure..and the 3rd ump is hair..an aussie

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:47  

  • what an over by MM..whooo hoo.

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:48  

  • great joke by tony.. extreme slo mo cam =inzy cam!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:52  

  • yeah that would be awesome...although "Dadacam" would be nice too

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:56  

  • i love the way the aussies pronounce the doosra..as the DOzrah!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:56  

  • dadacam would be a series of still camera shots ;-)

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:56  

  • BCCI players getting insulted here - Dravid at silly point and Sehwag at fwd short leg

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 23:57  

  • hmm.. so if you field on SP and FSL..it is an insult. Very interesting yacrik!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:58  

  • watson always has that cherubic look. he needs to get a big scar on his face or something, his look now isn't going to cut it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 23:59  

  • Gone..Warne!

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:59  

  • Flintoff is the man! he has the knack

    By Blogger losing now, at 23:59  

  • Solkar was always getting insulted...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 23:59  

  • jiet .. EEEEJACTLY! re:Solkar comment

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:00  

  • wow, that was a soft dismissal

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 00:00  

  • look what kind of players are generally put at SP and FSL - the newbies.. not national captain and the vice-captain.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:01  

  • As i said.. < 200 ..game on!

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:01  

  • you make a guy to wear a helmet to field, it's nothing but insult unless you are just in the team.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:02  

  • Langer fields at short leg for Aus

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:02  

  • ICC X1 will find it tought to score more than 200. i think Oz does not need to bat anymore. the ICC guys are out of form; McWarne will eat them up for tea or lunch.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:03  

  • Langer does not field at FSL - it's Katich.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:04  

  • yacrik.. i get it, man! it is always the newbie ..eventhough it is such a specialist spot. maybe, we have got it wrong. BTW.. here are the captains/VCs in the WXI..GC,VS,BL,RD,IH .. so besides the WC and bowlers who is left to field there?

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:04  

  • not any more....that is because Langer is older and does not have the reflexes that Katich does...Langer used to field there even after 50 Tests...he was the best

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:05  

  • I believe Sarwan stands there fo WI, Thorpe used to until he was replaced by Bell for England...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:07  

  • Kallis and GC can field there if they wish - why do you want RD and VS to get hurt

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:07  

  • it's the newbies or the guys who are on the way out. Thorpe for example.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:08  

  • i am sorry guys.. it is ridiculous to think that to field at any spot on the field is an insult. Get some self-esteem dude!

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:08  

  • Thorpe fielded there thru out his career

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:09  

  • insult because - you are being put in a dangerous are; what r u trying to say ? it's ok if you get hit and injured. you are not that important.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:09  

  • Yacrick...the field is set like that when the batsmen are on the defensive...right now...it does not look like either of these guys are trying to play aggressive.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:11  

  • interesting no Vettori

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 00:12  

  • what the crap. You could get injured chasing a ball on the boundary.. you are on the field..you are a cricketer and you got a job to do. Come on. It is a privilege to be on the field and you do whatever is right for the team. i am apalled at your thought process.. it is exactly this kind of thinking which makes our team not go beyond bunch of individuals

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:12  

  • roublen ...I think Freddie will be replaces by Harmy

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:13  

  • watson looks like he's a very orthodox MCC-stytle batsmen.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 00:14  

  • ask Dravid and Sehwag. they want to field at slip or FSL and SP. when I played cricket it was always the least prefered fielding position for everyone - no exceptions. Solkar did it because he was not good anything else.
    his only stength was to put himself there in the danger area.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:15  

  • losing now: it's ok if you don't understand; you are being naive here to think it is ok to field at SP and FSL.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:16  

  • i have enormous respect for guys who field at FSL and SP.. and Leg slip..

    provided they are good..
    like Akash Chopra is one..
    None in the current indian team is a good.. GG is learning..

    MK is poor in these positions.. never saw Yuvi there..

    Dravid is OK..

    Ganguly dropped some when he used to stand at SP for sledge.. he sledged but dropped sitters..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:16  

  • the fans have respect; but there is no respect among players who field there.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:19  

  • ok yaar....they are being insulted...the World XI does not care about them ...draw whatever other conlusions you need to

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:19  

  • Yacrik:whatever man. I have seen SG field at SP or FSL..when he was a captain. I've seen VS field at Short point and take a full blooded drive in his hands - in Kochi,i think. I guess they would have been insulted - because they could have been injured there. Equating insult to injury probability is goofy. Yes, it is more dangerous..but not insulting to be fielding at SP or FSL. Grow up dude

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:22  

  • yacrik
    I am sure a wicket keeper respect those guys.. so will a slip fielder as he knows what it takes.. a player like Dravid will always.. as he know what this job is all about.. surely a spin bowler would.. that makes a lot of players who respect a close-in fielder..

    may be a poor fielder at long leg wont.. because he is not good enough most of the time for such kind of fielding.. so I suspect people like Nehra and Zaheer would be some of the exceptions.. if there are any..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:23  

  • What a splendid over from Flintoff - each ball was worth at least 2 wickets!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:24  

  • why 3r dump for this one.. come on.. he is gone

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:27  

  • clear bat!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:27  

  • Looks pretty close

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:27  

  • i fthere is a noise.. he is out

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:28  

  • chalo finally.. my MOM : AF!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:28  

  • yeah...that should be out

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:28  

  • clearly out, I thought.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 00:28  

  • out it is!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:28  

  • 8 down!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:29  

  • bottom hand came off the bat...clear sign..that he touched it

    By Blogger Jiet, at 00:29  

  • Game ON!! WXI should chase <350. They have 3 days to do it. Take it easy and stay the course.

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:30  

  • what is with boucher. come on take a caffiene pill dude. get some excitement in your body language

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:31  

  • Watson has been given out by the third umpire in both the innings!!!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:31  

  • okay, having Mcgrath sent in ahead of you? *That* is an insult

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 00:31  

  • roublen : LOL!!!

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:32  

  • McGrath and Lee can bat for 3 days to save the Test; the combo drew the match at Old Trafford...

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:32  

  • whatever one says.. the poms - SH & AF- are good.

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:33  

  • oooohhhh! Sehwag..good try

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:35  

  • Yacrik is on something today.. or am I drinking too much?

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:36  

  • oh no.. light not good enough..so it is early tea

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:37  

  • thanks chappel.. what are u drinking man. I am on my 3rd peg of Macallan on the rocks. good night so far.. White Sox win, WXI doing well.

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:38  

  • Tandoorin chicken and boti kabab grilling in the grill

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:39  

  • not anything of significance.. bacardi with budlight.. a little odd combination to say the least..

    I am still in "ensoy" mode after SG and Khan getting fired so that I can buy the subscription for the IND-SL ODI series.. only screwup will be if they call ZK back after some matches during the series.. as of now, all indications are he wont be back...

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 00:41  

  • the english player commentators - bob willis and nasser hussain, are really good.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 00:51  

  • it is odd. yeh .. whatever works man!
    i agree..SG, ZK gone was good. i wish they had got AA out and tried some more new comers. nayway. hope WXI puts up a fight and we see another VS special.

    By Blogger losing now, at 00:51  

  • Bob Willis thinks ICC X1 can't get 200 in the second innings.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:55  

  • VS has very very poor record in 2nd innings.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 00:55  

  • roublen...where are you listening to Nasser Hussain

    By Blogger Jiet, at 01:03  

  • yesterday

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 01:04  

  • WORMA: Here's an article in Mumbai Mirror .. entitled "Hard to say Goodbye".
    I couldn't figurre out who wrote this but I know Kunaal Pradhan is their usual correspondent but this seems to be written by an ex-cricketer.

    ANyways.. it echoes a lot of my thoughts about sportsmen not knowing when to quit and in a way that's what makes them so special .. and so human.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 01:10  

  • "THANKS CHAPPEL" A sentence in this article in Mumbai Mirror went as follows:
    "The only thing India seems to do more zealously than putting someone on a pedestal is pulling him down. ".

    It reminded me of you.

    Cheers !

    By Blogger Prasad, at 01:14  

  • The entire article in Mumbai Mirror:

    Hard to say goodbye

    Once upon a time there was a rich man on the eastern shore of India...

    That’s how fairytales begin. They talk of happy times, some turbulence in the middle, and then, everyone lives happily ever after.

    As Sourav Ganguly heads into the twilight, perhaps even the very end, of his roller-coaster career, I can’t help get a feeling that his imminent departure is somewhat incomplete. There is a sense of unfinished business in it somewhere. This is no happy ending.

    But life, whatever you make of it, is not a fairytale.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Ganguly’s time is up. In his own mind, he believes it isn’t. That’s good enough reason for him to fight on, and it should be. Maybe he’ll prove me, and millions of others who share my sentiments, gloriously wrong. It’s unlikely, and we’ll be applauding if he does.

    But all the public brouhaha that the Ganguly saga has raised over the last year, brings up some vital questions: How difficult is it for a sportsman to know that he’s done? Is throwing in the towel the hardest of all decisions?

    I sought out Mike Atherton, the former England skipper, to find out what he thought.

    “It’s definitely a very tough decision,” he said. “Being a captain is a great honour, and you don’t want to let go of it easily. I think even I probably stayed on for one series too long.”

    Atherton, of course, has the luxury of hindsight. At that point, when he did play those extra games he now thinks he shouldn’t have, he naturally felt he could somehow turn things around.

    There is this great urge to go on for just one more match, to script a dramatic reversal. I’ll get it right next time, you tell yourself. And then, the next time, till it becomes a wistful passion and someone has to tap you on the back and tell you to go.

    The number of sportsmen who have overstayed their welcome is enormous. In fact, only a few have ever got it right.

    I’m not at all surprised that Ganguly is being pushed out. My whole problem is with the way he has been treated, and with the public humiliation he has endured. The only thing India seems to do more zealously than putting someone on a pedestal is pulling him down.

    That guy has scored 15,000 international runs and hit 34 centuries. Obviously, at some point, he did know how to bat, and very well. But, riding on the obsessive wave to get rid of him has made us forget that. The country has switched off and anything he now does is irritating, loathsome.

    Yes, Ganguly should have been given a hard time when he failed. He should have been told to get up, or get out. If he couldn’t see his time was up, even sacked. But disgraced? Why?

    He always knew how tough being India captain could be, but perhaps even he wasn’t ready for the outpouring of anger that he’s faced recently.

    Let me relate a small incident that might tell you a bit about the man.

    Ganguly did not shave right through India’s test series in the West Indies in 2002. It was as if the magnitude of his facial vegetation was proportional to the growing pains of his team.

    When I went to meet him in his hotel the evening India lost the fifth and final test in Kingston, to go down 2-1 in the series, he said, almost teary eyed as he fell into a sofa: “Man, this is a tough job.” His guard was down, and his devastated state came to the fore in one weak moment.

    Ganguly has done a tough job for a long time. Let’s face it, he has nothing left to prove as a captain or as a one-day batsman.

    But he’s fallen way short of expectations as a quality test player. Perhaps, that’s what his focus should be from now on. Rather than expending a lot of his positive energy in trying to prove he has no batting problems, no worries against the short ball, he should accept his shortcomings and rectify them.

    Pete Sampras came back from the dead to win a US Open before quitting on his own terms. Ganguly, undoubtedly, would like to go out the same way, raging against the dying of the light.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 01:23  

  • prasad..

    well U can have sympathy with Ganguly as much as you want.. good for you. But let me tell you this.. He has got rewards for what he did.. and way more than all my efforts in all my life..(like him, I dont consider my efforts ordinary either).. But I am not supposed to treat him as an ordinary man as this writer wants too.. No.. thats not how I see some of the greats.. But eventually SG has proved to be such an ordinary man by just trying to hanging on to it.. I know there is a thin line between hanging on and proving evryone else wrong.. but then we worship those who decides it right.. dont we? Inspite of all the wealth and all the honor that he had, he eventually proved to be very ordinary man.. didnt he?

    I dont think He is the only one at fault.. its the people around him too.. the advisers.. the sponseres.. the Dalmiyas.. the people who has made him nothing more than a tool.. people who couldn't dare or didnt tell him the truth..

    I sympathise with ganguly as much as this writer.. But my thoughts are.. What it would haave been!

    Had he declared that he does not want to play ODIs anymore at the end of India-Pak series.. and just would have waited for India-SL series for hanging his boots.. I am sure our guys would have wont it for..

    But alas is alas!

    The line between greed and need is also as thin ..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 01:29  

  • correctiors..

    am sure our guys would have won it for him..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 01:32  

  • there is one common thread among SG's fans - a lack of judgement. they are unable to
    judge when an apple becomes bad and thrown out of the basket.
    They think the apple might get sweet again.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 01:36  

  • and thanks chappel not to forget that SG stopped playing cricket and started policket since last couple of years. How he tried Sehwag(successfully) and Yuvi( unsuccessfully) to open in tests as well so that he can safely play for long.

    ANd offcourse his indiscipline d life has not helped matters either ( going late for toss, not reaching airport on time and all the rendezvous with certain Nagma)

    He deserved what he got. Playing for INdia shpuld never be on platter and certainly not for thank you or welcome. Boss you play if you deserve otherwise get lost.

    By Blogger J, at 01:45  

  • j
    try telling that to prasad..

    However i am not against "thank you".. as long as its timely.. and accepted..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 01:48  

  • ThanksChappell for your response
    Your comment was "But eventually SG has proved to be such an ordinary man by just trying to hanging on to it.. I know there is a thin line between hanging on and proving evryone else wrong.. but then we worship those who decides it right.. dont we? Inspite of all the wealth and all the honor that he had, he eventually proved to be very ordinary man.. didnt he?"

    My response (part of these are re-post from my feedback letter to ANand Vasu on his recent cricinfo article):
    So, ThanksChappell, who else do you think is ordinary ?
    Will you then suggest that Steve Waugh is ordinary ?
    The Great Steve Waugh did not know when he was finished in one-day cricket when he was nudged out and went to the extent of bowling in Australian domestic cricket and made a fool of himself trying to chase down the allrounder's spot in the Australian team for WC 2003. Ask Kumble or Laxman (two legends in their own right) and they will tell you they are FAR from being done in ODI's. This is the NORM for 99.9 % sportspersons and that's what keeps them going. These guys don’t care about protecting legacies and about fond farewells but are only interested in putting in matchwinning performances for their countries. They are too present moment-oriented to start reflecting about what they have accomplished. These guys are too busy practicing and improving themselves..yes even an Sourav Ganguly practices hard... to worry about what their legacy is. Many more examples of people who are now considered legends in cricket : Kapil Dev, GR Viswanath, Mark Taylor, Allan Border, BS Bedi, Prasanna who all left reluctantly or were dropped. Final example: Arguably The Greatest Sportsperson Ever Michael Jordan did not know when he was done with basketball and that's why he kept coming back and then finally whimpered out not even making it to the NBA playoffs in his last season. If not riding out into the sunset was good enough for the Great Michael Jordan , it should be good enough for Waugh, Kumble, Laxman, and Ganguly, don’t you think ? Finally, it is up to the slectors to decide whther these guys can be matchwinners.
    BTW, I do not think SG is ordinary. 15,000 international runs, 34 international centuries. 76 ODI wins, 21 test wins. 1 ICC Final, 1 WC Final losing to arguably the best ODI sides of all time, 1 ICC trophy. I'll wager a dollar his captaincy record will not be broken for at least another fifty years if ever. Neither Jaggu Dalmiya nor anybody else could ever save SG if he did not have a good captaincy and batting record on his own.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 01:53  

  • murli strikessss backk

    By Blogger zacked, at 02:01  

  • Lee OUT!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 02:04  

  • Well parasad,

    Your reply seems to be very logical if you see it from the top but it isn't..

    None of the other guys whom you equate with SG, looked as hopeless and beaten for such a long time as our SG had.. I would leave Jordan out of it because I dont know how it worked for..(forgive my lack of knowledge if his history.. and compulsions..).. But all other you mentioned look like or looked like fighers all the time.. they were the guys who were edged away by other who were/are younger and hence better.. not because the younger one were/are more skillful or something.. (Howver my opinion about LAX is that.. he has suffered for no fault of his..)..

    But SG was a defeated one.. who lost it all.. who seemed hopeless and decieved.. totally flummoxed.. it wasnt the pitch or the bowelers.. it was HIM.. so thoroughly useless and hopeless.. that people started to boo and wonder .. and from hope, it turned to indifference and then to hopelessness.. and then to hatred..

    None of the guys whom you compare SG with, did ever look so useless and horrible.. they were hard done by their age.. by the look at the furture..

    But they were and are always.. good.. competitive.. and as always fighers on the field..

    SG on the other hand proved to be a different story..

    I dont discount his 15000 runs.. 34 centuries(not sure how many made me happy though and made me jump on my sofa.. but still ..), his test wins..

    But I still think he dashed my hope more often than I thought he would..

    I am sorry.. But still Thank you SG for all you did.. but I have to say Goodbye too.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:07  

  • 355 to get in 3 dayz... will the stars last long??? just wondering...

    By Blogger zacked, at 02:08  

  • Losing now...not a bad call. under 200 you said and these guys fold up for 199

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:09  

  • "J". You are incorrect. SG clearly told Yuvi if he wanted to get into the team.. he should try a chance at opening. He added, Yuvi is far too good a player to have to sit out of test matches. I saw that interview so I know what I am talking about..this is not rumors and urban legends.
    Sehwag averages 55 as opener and as you know is in the world XI as opener. If anything Sehwag should THANK SG for visualizing a role for him to get into the test team beyond anything Sehwag could imagine for himself. Read Tony Greig's interview in yesterday's Telegraphindia.com about what a good captain is all about.

    I suspect even if a middle order spot opens up, I frankly doubt Sehwag will opt for it. Ofcourse, Time will tell.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 02:10  

  • Prasad why don't you look at Gavaskar, Hadlee, Imran etc?

    There is nothing wrong in trying, improving and then get back into team. Let SG do it and get back as the SG of old days when for a period of 18 odd months he was a true matchwinner and probably our best bat in ODI's

    By Blogger J, at 02:10  

  • Prasad- thats exactly what I said. he tried to get Veeru to open but he infact said in an interview" I am not as confident as Sehwag as far as opening is concerned and I cant d it". He very well knows its not in him to do it but he can certainly challenge SG's position and so do Kaif

    By Blogger J, at 02:13  

  • We have to take Englnd very seriously..

    I guess, lets test them with truely spinning tracks.. just like they test us on totally swinging tracks..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:13  

  • You bet Thanks Chappel. I am glad we are not touring England else record of our lowest total in test against the same team was in threat!!

    I was seeing highlights of Ashes this evening and I am quite sure we dont have enough( until SRT is at best) to even get a draw against them in England. It will be tough even in India if Jones is fit enough to play.

    By Blogger J, at 02:15  

  • Well, Thanks CHappel, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

    BTW, More than Pro-SG I have traditionally am Pro-Indian cricket captain whoever it may be. Because I feel its easily the most difficult job in world cricket and the second most difficult job with India after PM. It might serve you well to know that SG and RD were on par in terms of runs at Test level and then SG became captain and thats where their batting curves diverged.. and how ?

    By Blogger Prasad, at 02:19  

  • I guess, calcutta and Madras can win us the series aginst England.... not Mohali and Banglore..

    Sehwag will again be the key.. if he kills the opeing bowlers.. the heat will beat the England in rest of the match..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:19  

  • J...if Simon Jones plays I don't see how they cannot win.

    poor GS...he looks inconsolable

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:21  

  • Why would anyone believe what SG said in the last couple of years- he has been saying
    and doing a lot of things (except to score runs) to hang onto his place in the team.
    How he played with Yuvraj,Kaif,Laxman and Chopra to unsettle them -

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 02:21  

  • RD and VS in ! This should be fun.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 02:21  

  • Sehwag's second innings career avg 25 !

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 02:22  

  • very bad opening test of GS in austaria..

    They said, they are selecting this eleven keeping in mind the players who have performed against austraila and specially in australia..

    then what GS became the captain even without playing against then in AUS.. tha says it all.. add inzi, boucher and kallis to that.. and you get the full picture..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:22  

  • mumbai mirror articles seem to be good though.. however cricinfo is the best..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:26  

  • shane warne .. third over of innings to Sehwag.. intersting.. watch out for some scintillating action..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:28  

  • Ricky Ponting finally uses his brain...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:28  

  • Even though Sehwag might hit out, this keeps them out there instead of going off for bad light

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:30  

  • its a six from sehwag.. opening batsman in a test match hit a leg spinner for a six.. commentry on abc.net.au is good.. I like peter R.

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:30  

  • Yacrick, Can you give me ONE good reason why SG would try to hang on to his place in the team apart from believing that he can win matches for India ?

    BTW, where do you get your infoprmation about his "playing" with players. Yeah Chopra may because SG beleived Yuvi deserved more than Chopra should be in the test team. How did he play with Laxman, Kaif and Yuvi ? They have all flourished under SG. Its GC who does not want Laxman in the ODI squad. I strongly suggest you consider the sources where you get your information.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 02:30  

  • well Prasad..

    tell me this.. VVS was dropped when we went to Bangla for ODIs.. he made run a ball 41 in that match.. played better than Kaif and ganguly himself..

    GC wasnt event coach then..

    and then for WC.. based on performance in NZ.. when I am sure all were as miserable as VVS except sehwag..

    and you know the performance of the cosen one.. Mongia.. He was pathetic in ever match he played.. truely pathetic..

    He was as bad when he was selected ahead of LAX in Englang for Natwest..

    when we were going well in Natwest final on a flat pitch.. at 105/1.. this guys comes and screws us so badly.. that all we are 5 down prely for pressure that Mongia exerted on us.. not the english bowlers.. I have the tape.. I forward that part out of disgust always..

    Picking Mongia for LAX is a shame..

    and forget the batting.. the overall package I am talking about..

    So dont tell me SG hasnt played games..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:37  

  • prasad...
    He believes that he can ride on Sehwag's brilliance to a World Cup victory.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:39  

  • Please...Lax does not fit into ODIs

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:41  

  • Prasad,
    And one good reason for hanging on to his place is.. the 70 crore sponsership.. (with the clause .provided you play..)

    Ganguly can be be from a rich family.. but let me tell you.. Bill gates is a million times richer.. but that doesn't stop him from selling shit to world at all cost.. for all the cost he can get.. by using all the foul games he can.. Not to say that he is unfair.. but greed has no limit.. once you are rich, doesnt mean you dont be to be that extra bit richer.. its what acually the POOR man do..

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 02:41  

  • Ricky ponting on SP.. he must be insulting himself now.

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:41  

  • VS gone!! edge.

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:42  

  • poor avg in second innings continues

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:43  

  • lol @ losing now

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:43  

  • SG: win matches for India would be way down in the list; the first few things are personal in nature to make a life.

    How he played with Laxman is documented in the coach's email.
    Yuvraj: a middle order batsman does well in that role. why move him up the order?
    official reason is: he is a good batsman to keep out... I don't think that is
    the real reason; SG can't keep him out when he himself is struggling. naturally
    you will be asked why keep YS out.
    First Kaif is the m-o bat; next drop him and get YS back; there is no reason
    for doing many things for their role.

    VS is out; and I'm about to go to sleep now.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 02:44  

  • jiet : someone here suggested that it is insulting to field on Silly point or FSL. he felt VS and RD fielding there was insulting to them.

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:47  

  • LoL, the commentrator said " if Lara was a share I had be selling big time now".

    He is blocking half volleys

    By Blogger J, at 02:47  

  • RD looks good. BL looks all at sea

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:48  

  • light offered.. and they go.

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:52  

  • See you 'morrow

    By Blogger losing now, at 02:52  

  • later all

    By Blogger Jiet, at 02:53  

  • THANKS CHAPPEL Would *you* TAKE shit from all of India, the coach, ex-cricketers who themselves achieved nothing, ignorant fans, administrators, selectors, and then go through intesne fitness training day in and day out till you are sick in the stomach (remember SG is supposedly "very lazy") for any amount of money especially if you are already a multimillionaire and go open a cricket academy, give commentary, write articles and make pretty good money....
    No, right ? I though as much.. then why would SG do it unless it was just his competitive instinct. Do you think Steve Waugh needed the money for him to chase down a ODI place after he was told to get lost ? FInally, why the hell would a Michael Jordan do it ? There's a joke that when Jordan writes a bad check.. the whole bank bounces... he has that much money. I am sorry your argument does not make any sense to me.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 02:59  

  • LAX was dropped by the SELECTORS for WC 2003. I am not saying Mongia was ever a good bet though he fields better than Lax, and bowls so that may have tipped the scale in his favor. Not everything bad in Indian cricket is SG's fault.
    ANy way chalo guys.. good night.. I will read your responses tomorrow. Good night and CHeers.

    By Blogger Prasad, at 03:02  

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    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:04  

  • prasad.. argument is valid.. only you seem to think world is still communist..

    by the way.. jordan joke is a good soundbite..

    relax.. I would say you better sleep and read what I wrote, again tomorrow..

    On this day of 21st century, you are trying to tell me, 700+ million rupees dont matter to a 400 million rupees worth man(including his family riches..)

    By Blogger Thanks Chappel, at 03:13  

  • thanks chappel, the world is not communist, but your smugly written opinions are not gospel truths either. Rahul Dravid averages between 17 and 18 in five tests (more than a usual series) as a captain, with a highest score of 31. It is indeed not an easy task to withstand the pressure of being India's cricket captain. Nevertheless, SG is indeed out of form and should roll his socks up or quit, but the fact remains that people like you (like all fair weather birds) revel in hitting a man when he is down. I see a lot of stuff floating around (not from you) questioning his courage (never a problem when he looks eye to eye with a Waugh, or scores that 144 in Australia), his integrity (it is a doctor who diagnosed a tennis elbow, not a crystal ball gazer), his talent, and his AGE (he is about two years beyond the age an average Australian like Brad Hodge debuts!). If he is off form, that is good enough for one to question his place in the team. period. The rest (Kaif, with a first class average of 37 and only 5 hundreds in all forms of the game) have to prove themselves. If only a cult of young and athletic cricketers could fetch you laurels, then people like Ranatunga, De Silva, Gooch, Boon, and generations of beer drinking pot bellied Aussies would have had nothing to do but to chump potato chips in front of television sets...like you...and me...

    By Blogger oldmanblues, at 05:12  

  • olmanblues,
    Not adding to the argument one way or the other since more than enough has been said on this issue. But just for the sake of correct information, Ganguly is 33.
    Born July 8, 1972

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:25  

  • Brad Hodge is 30.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:49  

  • Additionally, comparing Hodge and Ganguly agewise is not entirely appropriate given the drastic difference in their fitness levels. Fitness adds longevity to your career, and in modern cricket, vice versa.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:52  

  • Did any of you feel Kumble should've been chosen ahead of Vettori? True Vettori has a good record against Australia, but if that argument is to be applied consistently then VVS should have played this Test and not Inzamam!!

    By Blogger Sudhakar Govindarajan, at 06:13  

  • @sudhakar
    yes i was in favor of AK right from 2 months ago ... DV did fine in ODIs but AK was a must in tests

    By Blogger GK, at 06:27  

  • sudhakar/GK, I also think Kumble should have been chosen ahead of Vittori. But the problem with the WorldXI is their batting and not bowling.

    Let's see how the who's who of world cricket (lara/dravid/kallis/inzi/flintoff) perform the second time around...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:12  

  • Hi,
    Do we know who is going to televise the India SL ODI games yet? And can we get the games online? Thanks.

    By Blogger Vijay, at 10:17  

  • Update duleep Tophy :)

    I dont like this site as musch as most of you . but still sometimes when click there.


    Incase you are scared because of viruses/spyware hitting the site here is the text.

    Former Indian leg spinner Sairaj Bahutule will lead the West Zone team in the Duleep Trophy tournament against South Zone, in place of batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar, to be played at Vadodara from October 20 to 23.

    After Sachin Tendulkar informed the West Zone selectors about his inavailability to lead the side as he was more keen to attend the India camp at Bangalore, the selectors decided to replace him with Bahutule and also bring in middle order batsman Jacob Martin in place of Sachin, Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) joint secretary Lalchand Rajput said.

    Meanwhile, South Zone too have effected two changes as both middle order batsman Y Venugopal Rao and seamer S Sreesanth will be attending the India camp. Karnataka batsman Barrington Rowland and R Jesuraj would be the two replacements.

    Indian middle order batsman V V S Laxman is the captain of the South Zone team.

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 11:38  

  • @vijay
    My preferance would be as under
    2.www.sgstream.com search by the venue.
    (you need a telugu frind at times to get throgh this :) )
    4. WIllow tv. They will have tough time getting this,as this is in India.(but they have history of strinking deals at last minute)
    5.Dish TV incase one has .
    6.Tamiliar audio video
    Well I dont like this a lot as it wastes more time in gettign the right link work rather showing the match . though is free at most of the times.
    7.Try our own doordarshan site.
    5 years back i used to wathc the live streaming (huh kept on buffereing) but hte bandwidth has improved these days.
    My be ddnow will have a good news this time.

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 11:53  

  • @vijay
    correction :
    Please read point 1 as sportingstrems.com and point 4 as willow.tv.

    jeez... Prem we need a spell check in the blog, or i have to take the typing classes .
    I know your preference will be the latter :)

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 11:56  

  • @vijay
    somebody may kill me for this now
    pls read point 1 as:

    This is for real :)

    By Blogger Pankaj Tripathi, at 12:27  

  • pankaj - to saw urself some embarassment, you can delete your previous post :)

    By Blogger Tiger, at 13:21  

  • I like to read up on the latest info here fitness franchise

    By Blogger bench, at 19:39  

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