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Wednesday, September 07, 2005

back to..."would(should) he play"?

About McGrath, it seems(and rightly so) that the Aussie management is desperate enough to take a chance with his injury, as long as they think he can perform through the entire duration of the game. That's because he's a champion, and they need the win. And we, in India, so often complain the decision to get Sachin back into the Aussie series, despite his less than complete recovery. The decision has to come from the player, but if he is ready to risk his short-term career(and participation in some future matches) and the team management thinks its a gamble worth taking in a big enough situation, then why not?

And Warne here gets it right, when he says Everybody would like to know where they stand and what the side is as early as possible. But when it's Glenn McGrath, arguably the best fast bowler in the world, you want to give him every chance to play. If that means it's a last-minute decision, it's a last-minute decision.

Meanwhile Vaughan thinks Collingwood is a good bet, because he makes up for his less than penetrative bowling with the extra runs he would get(as compared to a regular bowler like Jones or Anderson). I have a feeling they might stick with this theory, although the main reason may be that they don't have enough confidence that Anderson would be effective in the conditions at Oval. The trouble with Anderson is, that if he does not get helpful conditions, and therefore is not effective, he becomes easy meat. He cannot, in that case, bowl even that many overs that Collingwood can bring. That's why I feel they erred in not getting Tremlett into the picture.

Finally, this seems to be very interesting. Australia, atleast in their immediate team selection process, seem to be stubbornly following their principle of backing the proven performers. Although, in this series, it has let them down big-time. But they feel, its not yet time to give it up. Its failed over just 3 tests, and has been successful for long enough to make them still have faith in it.

So, what this essentially means is that they would not only keep Hayden as the opener(that was known for some time now), but are also considering playing five bowlers if McGrath doesn't come through. That would mean dropping a batsman which, at this stage, seems to be Katich. Not Martyn who, as I said, is their proven performer but has looked much less comfortable at crease than Katich. It would also mean that Gilchrist would bat higher, and would be burdened with more responsibility since now he would have less cushion above him.

And the starting lineup would ready Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Martyn, Clarke, Gilchrist - which means an alternating thread of hits and flops. Wow...isn't this interesting ! And although I do want to see McGrath play, because that evens up the competition much more, wouldn't I still love to see how the above scenario works out! Either its going to gee them all up to perform way out of their skin, or backfire real big-time. Either way, good fun :-)

50 Comments:

  • Worma, there is little to chose between Bell and Collingwood in terms of batting (on current form) so I would be tempted to pick Collingowood and Andersen. This will give England depth in their bowling without compromising their Batting.

    Fact is, if they play Collingwood & Bell (instead of Andersen), this will be seen as a defensive tactic, something the Aussies will be quick to pounce on. And playing Andersen ahead of Collingwood might be a risk option given his lack of confidence.

    Also, McGrath or not, the Aussies will err if they do not pick 5 bowlers. With rain forcast on and off for, we can expect to lose one whole day to rain. And the Aussies will struggle to get 20 wickets with in 4 days with Shane Warne, Lee, Tait and a half-fit McGrath...

    I am still amazed they are not considering Watson instead of Martyn or Hayden...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:18  

  • avinash, totally agree. Thats why surprised to see this from an Aus captain. He should go. Whatever the result. But he would not, as he himself knows(and said) if they win this last game.

    Saurabh, yeah I surely dont seen anything significant coming from Bell, so probably your option is the best. But I'm sure Eng are not even considering replacing Bell. Its a 'team' thing, you know :-)

    And about Aussie picking five bowlers....well I dunno...I think they can pick all they want...but in the end it would boil down to Warne and McGrath...rest is all support cast..even Lee with all his improved showings has just been a support cast (and therefore Aus havent won, because they had only one starcast with them, other one missing). If McGrath is bowling well(fully fit) then picking only 4 bowlers wont matter..and if he isnt...then also it looks difficult that McGill would be able to help that much...lets see..

    By Blogger worma, at 05:54  

  • Worma, my point is since the Aussies support 'bowling' is not firing, all the more reason for them to take an extra bolwer.

    Anyway, I guess they know better then all of us. After all, they are the world-champions, not us :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:27  

  • Actually with the weather forecast looking more and more dodgy, collingwood might be a good choice after all. His slow swing bowling can come in handy...

    And if the Aussies start to pile in the runs, good old -ve Giles will be more then handy to slow the run-rate.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:32  

  • oval Stats:

    average 1st innings score:
    in last 20 games: 405
    in last 5 games: 478!!!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:40  

  • This is ponting's comment from his article in the Australian.

    "It would also be nice if I could win a toss. Or if I don't, it would be nice if England is not 1-130 at lunch like it was at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge."

    Any guesses if he is going to bat or bowl? The guy does remind me of Bush, in more ways then one. :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:51  

  • yes, I know. But why tell it to the whole world...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:00  

  • "a question of injury to Flintoff and Harmison"

    Where did you read that one?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 07:01  

  • Saurabh, yeah he is doing some dumb things of late, cracking under pressure ?

    issaicn: "McGrath is irreplaceable. An injured McGrath could still be their best pace bowler." - I dont know about this, he played at Old Trafford didn't he..with all the injury and half effectivity. He was not bad, created some chances (which they didnt take)...but still never looked good enough to run through them. But maybe their 'best' still :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 07:19  

  • btw...if there is hope for swing at oval (as you said) then Anderson would play.

    By Blogger worma, at 07:20  

  • yes issaicn....he created that chance for nailing Vaughan (and few more)...what I meant was that a fit McGrath would have still run through them, despite missed chances and all. But as I agreed, still their 'best' pacer

    By Blogger worma, at 07:49  

  • thx avinash for update. But isnt that the 'traditional' Oval...and with the overcast condtions now..rain forecast...too late into summer etc...it would still be same ? Anyway, both teams look to be building up with this assumption of traditional oval as u described.

    btw, caddick retired, ain't he ??

    By Blogger worma, at 08:00  

  • Can anyone tell me the latest about Sachin Tendulkar?

    I'm astonished at how media has ignored him completely!!

    By Blogger Chandan, at 08:05  

  • Worma, Andersen has suddenly lost his ability to swing the ball...

    Issacin, England are on top because of their bowling and not batting. They have proved the old cliche that bowlers win matches...

    Funny enough, in spite of being short of super-stars, this English side has been performing like Champions. I don't see any English player, apart from Flintoff, making it to the current World XI.

    Proves another point that at the end of the day, Cricket is a Team sport...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:15  

  • Worma/Avinash, Caddick is the highest "England qualified" wicket-taker in the county this year. However, he is not 100% fit and hence was not considered.

    I agree, he would have been useful as the 4th bowler. Definately better then Andersen in the short term..

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:18  

  • Chandan, SRT has opted out of the Zimbabwe series, and righly so. He is still not 100%.

    As for the media; well there is only so many times we can read about his elbow.

    In many ways, I am glad we are getting over this "Sachin-Mania".

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:20  

  • saurabh Harmison, not in World XI ? Sure, he may go up and down..but still..?? but i get the point u making...agreed...much better team than individual stars (but then, some of the aus stars were so because they never faced such quality bowling:-) )

    and yes, thx, just found out that caddick was injured at start of ashes..not retired yet(there were talks of that I remember)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:46  

  • Thanks Saurav. I know about that.

    I just want to know where he stands at the moment or how much time will it take to get him back to international cricket!!

    He is a vital cog in our wheel. Didn't you miss his bowling in the final? When Sehwag and yuvraj were doing the damage, just imagine what would Sachin have contributed?

    When are we going to know whether he'll be available for Super Series or not?

    By Blogger Chandan, at 08:51  

  • Worma, Harmison might just make it in the XI but he is not an automatic choice.

    He a awkward bowler to face, but is still some way away from being world-class...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 08:56  

  • I think, with rain the air, Anderson is a worthwhile gamble. He is not in the best form of his life but the weather could be a factor to his selection.

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:13  

  • Maybe..close call I would think on him. Btw, I do feel some of these Eng players would go on to become big stars worthy of future World XI soon. KP in ODIs, Harmy if he survives a while, Jones also.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:13  

  • toney one problem with Anderson...what I mentioned in main post...if he is not effective due to conditions...then he cannot even become a decent filler like Collingwood, would be taken apart by most aussies. what do you think on that?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:15  

  • Mayur, agree about Tremlett. He should have been released to the counties when he was not selected to play in the first four Tests.

    As for the Aussies playing with 4 bowlers. I still think it will be a wrong move. The problem with the Aussies is not that they are not scoring runs, but allowing England to score 400 everytime they bat in the first innings.

    Are you confident that the Aussies will can they get England out for less then 400 in their first innings even of they bat second (considering that Warne will still not be a factor)?

    The bottom line Aussies need 10 quick wickets in the first innings and I dont see how they can get those wickets on a flat oval wicket with Lee/McGrath & Tait.

    But hey, its a funny old game and the Aussies are still the champs....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:42  

  • saurabh, without even going into the Flintoff value(which is tremendous) I agree with mayur. Aus problem is not Eng score, but their own runs(or lack of). Eng batting is actually weak...they have been scoring less than optimal runs on the pitches (and the conditions and the kind of bowling attack) that they got. They have been getting away with it cos Aus themselves have been pathetic with the bat. So...moment they do a big first innings...its back to game on..cos 2nd innings Warne can restrict as well as destroy. And on top of this, if they bat first and then get big runs(or even decent runs like Eng 400+) then also Eng would not be able to cope.

    The only time that Eng batting was being tested under a pressure of Aus first inning score was at Lords (with Aus only 190!)..and look what happened to them. True McG would not bowl that well again...but then Aus would also not score only 190 each time they get to bat first

    By Blogger worma, at 10:38  

  • Mayur, you make a very good point about Flintoff. He is doing what Gilchrist has done for Australia in the past.

    As for the Aussies, you pointed out that they have scored 190, 308, 302 and 218 in the first innings. On this evidence, can you see then scoring 400-600, seven batsmen or not? They could, but...

    On their day, McGrath and Warne can win even if the Aussies score 200 in the first innings. But for that they need some backup. Having Lee and Tait is not the same as having the Gillespie and Kaprowisz of old (which worked for them).

    That's why I said the Aussies should take get Shane Watson instead of Martyn.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:54  

  • saurabh, actually flintoff is emulating Gilchrist with bat and ball....he's 'setting the game up' for Eng to take it from there....
    ..and btw..I expect Aus to score 400 runs if batting first....or rather I would have expected them to do that, had they batted first in any of these last 3 games....now...now I'm not so sure about their mental resolve etc....otherwise...just on technical grounds...from what I've seen of their batting and Eng bowling....they would have done it atleast 2 times out of three

    By Blogger worma, at 11:21  

  • tombaan can you give the link for that Mahendra article ? Need to check out his parental advice ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:23  

  • Worma,
    we all can speculate and discuss who is capable of what etc. but the bottom line is one team has played the better cricket in this series and the other is still the World Champion.

    So at the end of the day only a fool will predict what's going to happen when the game start's tommorow.

    Let's hope its another classic...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:30  

  • mayur, Martyn's not been struggling last year.... he's one of their there most succesful batsmen in past 2 seasons. check here for his last 25 innings from Indian tour of Aus onwards

    By Blogger worma, at 11:31  

  • Yep saurabh, lets hope so. Thats why I wanted to see McG play(which I think is just now confirmed). I want to see a more 'equal' battle. Will open a thread for it here tomorrow morning, if Prem doesn't.

    By Blogger worma, at 11:33  

  • Funny enough a lot has been said about Simon Jones's impact in the series but do you guys realize he was average in the first two Tests (6 wickets @ 35 and 4.25 an over!!!).

    In the Third Test he moped the tail and really game to the party only in the 4th Test!

    But I guess he has created the pressure with Reverse-swing and all...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:47  

  • how many wickets did he get from reverse swing ? do you remember ? too much hype

    By Blogger worma, at 11:48  

  • Can't recall exactly but like I said, he created the pressure.

    I again come back to that stupid old point; England have been on top not because of Flintoff, Harmison, Jones or Hoggard indivdually, but the fact that they have been able to hunt in packs.

    Something the Aussies have missed...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:52  

  • tombaan, got it. Thanks. Couple of things I noticed here...the Indian Cricket Board has promised a "thorough and complete review" of the performance of its players and immediate remedial steps to halt the decline. is towards the beginning so why this the Indian Cricket Board has promised a "thorough and complete review" of the performance of its players and immediate remedial steps to halt the decline.. ?

    And then this bit In this light, I have called for a thorough review of individual performances, the coach's report on the state of physical fitness of the players and issues related to alleged indiscipline. What alledged indiscipline ? Who alleged ? Is any of you aware ? As he mentioned about GC report, that talks about fitness issues of some players only. (btw, any guesses who would fall in this category ?)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:53  

  • saurabh, very true. And also that Aussie did not get enough 'respite' period. They came prepared to face fast bowling, but didn't expect it to happen 90% of the time....

    By Blogger worma, at 11:55  

  • I mean 'good' fast bowling :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:07  

  • England have one problem; Harmison. He is their strike bowler and has completely vanished from the scene after the first Test. Agreed he has taken crucial wickets (Clare in the second Test and Ponting in the Third) at key moments but surely England should expect from him.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 12:11  

  • yep..his last over to McGrath at Old Trafford was almost...umm..Indian-esque in nature ;-)...

    By Blogger worma, at 12:13  

  • Exactly! That's why he is still not a world-class bowler in my opinion.

    Does not seem to have a cricketing brain...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 12:18  

  • yeah i agree he's up and down...but when up..he's very very good...actually I dont think he's in best form...wasnt there anytime this season....Lords I think he worked on an adrenalin charged exception..last year(when he reached that num 1 ranking)he was bowling well throughout....so its not good to judge him on this

    By Blogger worma, at 12:23  

  • Mayur, the BCCI has to get its act together before it can sort out the issues with players performance.

    All successful organizations have a good Top-down approach and not the other way around.

    For far too long, our approach to Indian cricket has been bottoms-up and our expectations and frustrations are with the players and not the other way around...

    We can critise Bajji/Agarkar/Ganguly all we like but the fact is, the blame lies elsewhere...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 12:27  

  • Good point Mayur. There is one way to complain; dont waste your time on Indian cricket and stop watching it.

    Once the money stops coming, Dalmiya and co will get a nice wake-up call.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 13:15  

  • Jonathan Agnew (on BBC website) makes a very intesting point about the Collingwood/Andersen debate

    "This adds further to my belief that Paul Collingwood will step in and, although some people have said that it is a defensive move, I feel that would be the right decision.

    "When a team contains four fast bowlers and a spinner, one of the seamers rarely bowls more than 10 overs a day.

    "With Giles likely to bowl long spells, and we might also see Vaughan in action with his off-spin, it seems unnecessary to play Anderson when Collingwood could easily fill in, score runs and field brilliantly, too"

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 13:17  

  • saurabh, the money that comes to Indian cricket is not from tiny minority like us, its from vast majority of those Indian public in India...who dont read or write blogs....who follow each and every match we play, no matter what...who read TOI and other local media hailing each small victory and every single century maker as the 'next big thing'....who, no doubt, flog our team to death on such losses with tags like chokers and no-hopers and pathetic....but then come back with the praise...its a cycle...with no links to their own previous stand or views...relying on people to lap it up

    By Blogger worma, at 13:20  

  • saurabh....not an interesting point from Agnew, and not even new...."Collingwood could easily fill in.." ? How..when he is replacing a match-winner (or atleast a significant contributor) how can you do with this 'fill in' philosophy ?..and about contributing with the bat...do Eng think they have a batting problem ?

    Anyways....thats just abt Agnew's views.....not that I dont think this is likely to happen....most likely so..for reason as I mentioned earlier

    By Blogger worma, at 13:25  

  • rotfl :-))..tombaan...which economics book/teacher was that ? ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:27  

  • Worma, of course, jones would be preferred any day.

    But he is just comparing between Collingwood and Andersen.

    And he is validating what I have been saying all along; the fifth is not the most important bowler in the team, but is very important!

    In Harmison, Flintoff and Hoggard, England have three main bolwers, and Collingwood and Giles make up 1.5 bowlers, which is still 0.5 more than Australia if they chose to go with 4 bowlers...

    And it is important to distunigush between a 'part-time' bolwer and 'fifth' bowler because a part-timer can get you a wicket or two but rarely run through a batting side.

    Remember Ponting's spell in the last Test or Simon Katich's spell at Old Trafford? Had they been regular bowlers and not 'part-timers', they could have continued bowling and probably won the games for Australia.

    But again, I keep repeating myself :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 13:56  

  • I dont think he is comparing between Collingwood and Anderson. He is implying that Jones was the fifth bowler, and since that fifth bowler is 'theoretically' underbowled..to around 10 ovrs a day, so why not get, in place of Jones, a bowler who would give fill up those 10 ovrs a day for you !

    To me its simple...Jones gets them crucial wkts....and lots of them(unlike what Ponting or Katich did)....so when he's out...someone else in his place has to get them....and its not going to be Collingwood. Whether its going to be Anderson or not is another issue altogether. But I dont think Agnew is addressing that issue

    By Blogger worma, at 14:04  

  • alvin, I've also expressed in these discussions earlier, that to me that Aus-Ind series was better, for exactly the same reasons(both playing real good cricket, no underperformance). But what to do, that series is gone, and I'm an avid follower :-) Hence following the ashes. And dude, totally aware of the Eng media hype etc...don't think Freddie is the new Botham or KP is the new Freddie with the bat or Vaughan is Brearly or whatever....just following a good game of cricket. Simple.

    And btw, I'm still devoting twice as much energy to Ind-Zim game than the ashes contests ! ..if that helps you :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 18:08  

  • I follow Zimbabwe-Kenya just as much as any other game by reading the ball-by-ball commentary on cricinfo and cricket blogs. I may not buy the video package...that is reserved only for must-watch matches like The Ashes, Ind=Pak, Ind-Aus...etc. If I had the dough I would buy all cricket packages. If Zimbabwe & kenya happened to be the top 2 sides I'd be just as excited as I am about The Ashes.

    By Blogger ClannZĂș, at 01:47  

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