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Tuesday, September 06, 2005

Open thread of Ind-NZ FINAL

Hi guys, so here is the open thread for the big game. Unfortunately, I wont be there for most of the game, darned unavoidable meetings...but hopefully Prem would come in, as he had said last time.

So, about the game ? Our dear L P Sahi from Telegraph says, as he heard from his 'reliable sources', that India is looking to bat first to send a strong signal to Nz and Bond. And no changes in batting order. Lets hope we win the toss, I also want to see us bat first.


  • i think it's down to Bond. A guy who has taken 22 Aussie wickets in 6 matches has to be special...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 02:39  

  • India will pull off this one.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 02:41  

  • And this is the score of some of the best batsmen in the world when he got them out:

    G Kirsten 0
    RT Ponting 0
    SR Tendulkar 0
    V Sehwag 0
    Yousuf Youhana 0
    ME Waugh 1
    ML Hayden 1
    V Sehwag 1
    DR Martyn 2
    G Kirsten 2
    IJ Harvey 2
    SC Ganguly 3
    R Dravid 5
    SC Ganguly 5
    MS Atapattu 6
    RT Ponting 6
    RT Ponting 8
    M Kaif 9
    SR Waugh 9
    RT Ponting 11
    IJ Harvey 12
    AC Gilchrist 14
    V Sehwag 15
    AC Gilchrist 18
    AC Gilchrist 21
    GC Smith 23
    MG Bevan 27
    DR Martyn 31
    RT Ponting 37
    RT Ponting 45
    JH Kallis 65
    DR Martyn 73

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 02:50  

  • further stats on Bond:

    Out of his 61 wickets, 35 have been before the batsman has scored 10 (11 ducks) and a further 10 before the batsman has scored 20!

    in fact, only 7 of his wickets have come when the batsman has scored more than 50.

    Pretty impressive...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 02:53  

  • and he has taken 38 wickets in the 16 matches that New Zealand have won with him in the Team...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 02:55  

  • yeah saurabh...lets hope he is not in full flow today...because if he is, then hardly matters who the batsmen is

    By Blogger worma, at 03:02  

  • Bond or no bond i have a good feeling about today. lets hope this staement doesnt jinx our team. not that being i a final in itself isnt bad enough a jinx!!
    guys if any of you are watching the game live do you mind posting scores etc? some poor peopl elik eme have to figure things out from Cricinfo which as we all know isnt the fastest of all websites!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:03  

  • ..another problem is I've not yet seen Bond being taken apart..I know he's played so less...but still. Although Sehwag did score a couple of hundreds in Nz, I think Bond played in atleast one of those games?

    By Blogger worma, at 03:04  

  • india win, bat first !

    By Blogger worma, at 03:07  

  • worma i guess you arent in a mood to answer my ganguly question any time soon. well lets hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. personally i woul dbe damn happy if he came out and batte dlike the ganguly of before but i doubt he would do that. might just be the prince of calcutts last game for a while.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:10  

  • Hey, guys. Why do long weekends leave you weakened?

    Yikes -- bad pun, put it down to tiredness and the lateness of the hour :-)

    Interesting to see, first up, that India has opted to bat first -- without change in the batting order. It's a gamble that could go either way -- a good total, the Kiwi batting lineup, which IMHO for all its depth is none too strong and susceptible to controlled swing and seam bowling, comes under heavy pressure. Lose early wickets, though, and the game could be done and dusted at the halfway stage.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:10  

  • Oh, and... if you see prolonged silence from me on here, check the main blog -- will resume posting there, though will keep monitoring this thread so all conversations can be at one place.

    Off to make myself a quick coffee, be right back

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:11  

  • good morning Prem..

    India batting first.. mmm.. reminds me of the results int he disasterous 2002-03 tour of NZ.. there the mantra was: win toss, insert the opp. in.. and let the swinging ball of Bond, Tuffey, Oram and Andre
    do the damage

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:13  

  • Worma, he gave away runs ar 4.57, 3.40, 3.33, 2,88 & 2.11 against India.

    Actually only 6 times out of 30 has he gone for more then 5 an over. But he took 9 wickets in those 6 games. His worst performance was against South Africa in the world cup when he went for 73 in 10 (but NZ won the game).

    What is frightening about the guy is his ability to strike Early. He takes most of his wickets in his first spell.

    Now only if India can see off his first spell...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:13  

  • Prem, i have a few questions for either worma or you
    1. what happens if SG fails today and we win?
    2. what happens if he does well and we lose?
    in both cases i feel thats the end of Sg(or lets hope for indias sake it is)
    whats your take?
    worma beibng the eternal Sg fan seems not too keen to answer me!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:13  

  • andre: sure, but those tracks were a disgrace to cricket... this, judging by the camera pan (and just a little from what RS said just now) seems a lot better for batting on. One thing though -- it's almost axiomatic, unless you are playing in Sharjah or someplace where the heat kicks in at about 6 am, that there is invariably a tad bit of help for bowlers early on... wonder how much of dew this place gets. I notice that the sun is not really out, so if there is dew, it will be a while before it burns out.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:15  

  • telegraph always seems to have the inside scoop. Well I think this is a wrong move full of unnecessary bravado. We have chased well in the last 2 matches and we have now lost the advantage of the supersub( as our toporder batting has been it makes sense to have a batsmen as our supersubm lax would have been ideal for the role!!!). Also we have given NZ the benefit of the super sub early morning swinging conditions and the inability to decide how much we need to score of bond. I mean if the target was 200-225 we could have just played him out for 10 30 runs and no wickets( see through atleast the 1st spell). Now we are two minds if we do that and NZ chase the target easily we would have lost the match in the 1st 15 overs. and in an attempt to attack him if we are 3-4 down at the end of 10 that too makes it very difficult later for us.

    Well I pray that this movewill bring good results, but i doubt with the form of our top order batsmen specially SG,VS and RD. It may make sense to send a pinch hitter who has played in the top order and started off his career as a batsmen like JP to unsettle bond.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 03:17  

  • k-slice: I suspect... suspect, mind... that shortly after this series and before the next, the selectors will pick a captain, and it will not be based on the result of this final, either way, but more a decision made in totality. If the selectors feel that SG is merely suffering a temporary loss of form they will likely continue with him; if they think his run has gone on long enough, they will look to change

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:17  

  • Hey k-slice,
    Let's all support India and not talk on individual players. worma doesn't need to answer you. He/she has better things to do and I am sure the same applies to you. Just follow the game and talk some sense instead of rubbish.

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:18  

  • Worma,
    India win the toss and decide to bat. Atleast you can get to see some batting(hoping that SG and VS click) before you head off to yr meetings

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:19  

  • Harare weather: High:86 Low: 56. Sunrise: 6AM. 35% humidity; sunny and warm

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:20  

  • Bhajji is the supersub today. He will replace Venu later.

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:21  

  • Prem...On a lighter note..weekend and weakend..depends on what one has been upto;)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:21  

  • prem
    a temporary loss of form is supposed to be just that: temporary.
    or man here seems to have forgotten the last time he contributed anythign of worth to the team. i honestly wonder how on earth Sg garners the ballz to go talk to sehwag and dravid about the top order not doing well. he was a great player, ammassed millions of runs but its about time to say good night now. there is no point to live purely on goodwill earned from past events. do you remember ravi shastri, a garland made out of chappals and mumbai? i fear the same migth happen to SG which in deed would be a sad sight.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:21  

  • Interesting choice of supersub -- Bajji being named confirms that SG and the team management decided on batting first if the coin fell right.

    Gives India the best of both worlds, an extra batsman in the first innings and an extra bowler in the second.

    Just curious, though -- if that was the plan, would Bajji not be the more likely to get you a few runs than Nehra? Ah yes, there was his six against Akthar in Pak... but I would have thought Bajji's windmilling batting style would be the better pick

    Not a match turning issue, this, just a curiosity that popped into my head

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:22  

  • Prem,
    The Indian selectors always pick the captain on a series by series basis. So they will pick a captain only for the next series. So you will never know whether it's for a long term or short term period.

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:22  

  • Extra batsman with Bhajji as super-sub.. so lucky for us.. cairns supersub for them.. not a bad toss to lose, as far as supersub is concerned

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:22  

  • ravi: *L* you can get weakened just lolling on the beach, friend

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:23  

  • k-slice...fan or not, I agree with what Prem said....I dont think the result of this final...or the runs he makes here would be considered. Although if he does fail in all test innings (if he gets a chance) then that would hold against him...the decision whether its a temp form loss...that decision may be altered because of his test run

    ravi..nope boss...not even that long...off in 30 mins :(

    By Blogger worma, at 03:23  

  • jai this isnt personal but i am repectful of whaever anyone posts here and i sincerely hope its the same either ways. i know worma doesnt need to answer me and that was a jab in jest. and as far as supporting india goes, i wouldnt be around if i dint support them.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:24  

  • jai: not really true, if you remember, SG was picked for a long stretch. and i suspect it will happen again -- viz, that the next time the selectors name a skipper it will be for a fair duration. If nothing else, because I suspect GC will ask for it. Bit difficult to work on building a team if your captain keeps changing oftener than your sweatshirt

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:24  

  • Cairns ..NZ Supersub..very interesting

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:25  

  • jai this time captain was selected for a series (after a long time this happened) because the selectors gave the reason of they not being there for long term (isnt there new board coming in, in Sept?) therefore they cannot (or rather, would not!) chose long term

    By Blogger worma, at 03:25  

  • So Rana in for Harbhajan (Sup-Sub)

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 03:25  

  • Worma... 30 mins shud b enuf to see the indian battng ...:-)

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:26  

  • I think the Kiwi's will use Bond in the first spell and then get in Cairns. Like I said, Bond is a menace in his first spell, but somehow not as effective in his second...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:27  

  • hiya all..dont mean to offend any sensibilities here but nz cricket is quite like the pakistani political and diplomatic machinery which has convinced the world that it is india's equal militariliy and economically. NZ cricket is basically mediocre but fleming has got everyone believing the world that they are a top team

    By Blogger riemann1, at 03:27  

  • k-slice..right dude :-)

    yeda...I knew this was coming when I said 30 mins :-)...actually I was expecting a SG joke there :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:27  

  • or maybe 7 overs in the first spell and then another 3 around the 30th over and then replace him...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:27  

  • Can't see any flags, but judging by the trees, breeze is not a factor early on.

    Bond the other day was getting tremendous drift thanks to a stiffish breeze, which compounded the problems he was creating

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:27  

  • Prem, now the obvious strategy looks like seeing off Bond.. If Sehwag thinks, thats not my style.. i would rather destabilize him by sending a few to the fence..?

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:28  

  • Are you sure Prem? Because I remember very clearly that not getting appointed the captain for a period of time has been one of SG's grudges. He even argued when the coach is given a certain specific timeframe to work with, why not the captain? Don't we read about the naming of the captain prior to every series? It's a different issue if things change now because of GC.

    By Blogger Jai, at 03:28  

  • saurabh, I dont think Cairns is supresub as an allrounder...as a batsmen

    By Blogger worma, at 03:28  

  • Guess Cairns is in only for the batting

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:29  

  • rieman1, i agree with you in part, but given that they probably only have 20 odd players playing cricket at any given point in time in that entire country, they do pretty well :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:29  

  • Must confess I would personally be surprised to see Bond supersubbed out for Cairns -- suspect CC is there for his batting. His bowling was totally underwhelming, he looks physically not up to the task, really.

    If Bond's late overs bowling is an issue, SF might prefer to use him in a long first burst, then one in the middle when he needs wickets prised out with speed.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:30  

  • jai: very sure, yes. SG made that remark +before+ being appointed for the long term.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:30  

  • Worma,
    Sorry to half-disappoint u... I believe in ignoring anything abt SG ...kinda fed up of talking abt him...

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:30  

  • did he not bowl in the previous game? sorry for my lack of knowledge as I have been only following the games on this blog....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:31  

  • Sehwag trying to attack from first ball.. Prem, seems Sehwag has his own plans.. waht say?

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:31  

  • saurabh: cant argue with that..especially since we have 100s of first class cricketers and still struggle..but I do have an issue with some of the over the top rhetoric fleming and nz cricket ceo martin snedden indulge in

    By Blogger riemann1, at 03:32  

  • gp: doubt he would play any other way anyways, at least, not in odis.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:32  

  • yeda me too :)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:32  

  • Bond is making Sehwag realize that its different ball game altogether.. attacking him at different angles

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:33  

  • Prem
    Don't u think Sehwag's stance is a bit different today?

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:33  

  • saurabh, dont rem last match...but isnt he injured (and was declared he wouldnt take part in the match)..so was just guessing that if he brought back from injury..most be to bat only

    By Blogger worma, at 03:33  

  • Wow. That's the thing with Bond, this in-cutter he bowls with the sort of movement murali gets, at extreme pace. you have a better chance of making contact with the straight bat, not the horizontal chops VS is trying -- would suspect it is way too dangerous that shot, too close to cut, you chop on

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:34  

  • FOUR>. off no ball.. still one more ball left in the first over 5/0

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:34  

  • fourth ball from bond and Sehwag displays incorrigible footwork.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:34  

  • First over of Bond seen off.. No damage.. 10% job done.. :-)

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:34  

  • Bond getting the ball to move in a lot. Sehwag needs to watch out..ok there we go...a 4 off a noball from Sehwag. Good Start. Vintage Sehwag shot.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:35  

  • yeda: it is? didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. mebbe not looking hard enough. He is standing to leg with his front foot an inch withdrawn from the back foot position, but I've seen him do that early in his innings before, basically making room already for his slashes through and over point

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:35  

  • Ganguly looked in good nick last match against NZ. Hopefully he will take on Mills.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:36  

  • bonds run-up is quite impressive..runs thru the crease nicely without any shifting( A LA Nehra) or any momentum breaking jumps(zaheer)

    By Blogger riemann1, at 03:37  

  • the problem is, SCG, fromt he other end, will look forward to surviving the first 10 overs...which means that india would be more happy with 30/0 rather than 55/2.. let us see

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:37  

  • Easier said I know... but India's best strategy is to put Bond's partner(s) under the hammer early, while the field is in. Attack the second bowler, the pressure transfers to Bond. Let Bond's pace make you wary of the support act (like the Indians did last time when they played Andre Adams like he was Bond II) and you have problems

    Kyle Mills is bowling at about the pace of a Khan or a Pathan, or a tad less. Even when he banged it in short, it didn't really climb.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:38  

  • Ganguly is watching the ball VERY VERY CAREFULLY.. 2nd over was maiden.. 6 dot balls for each batsmen so far..

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:38  

  • Prem,
    May be u r right.. this gives him flexi to make enough room on the off side....

    I wonder what superstition Mr Ganguly is living fo today ! ( OOPs I again talked about SG)

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:38  

  • Ravi Shastri and Arun Lal discussing the concept of "Big Boys"

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:38  

  • prem: I wonder if that kind of stance would be good against Bond .. he tends to bowl more in-coming balls (cutters and swings). As you pointed out earlier, more orthodox stance and straight bat are in order.
    - Shekhar

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:38  

  • actually 30/0 is not bad at end of 10 overs, given the seaming ball and depths to which our batters can possibly descend

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:38  

  • riemann: :-) Totally. Perfectly put together action, no fuss no muss, translates the pace of his run up into that delivery so smoothly, you'd think he was taking tips from malcolm marshall

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:38  

  • one more FOUR.. slashes hard at Bond .. 9/0

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:39  

  • sehwag has taken a single.. NOW our captain courageous has to survive 4 balls from Bond.. guaranteed to be dot balls..

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:39  

  • Sehwag cracks another 4 off Bond. Not good bowling from Bond. Too much width.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:39  

  • Prem, thats a very interesting observation... second option is sehwag hits bond out of attack :)

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:39  

  • SG would like to settle in against other bowlers so that he can play Bond better. Or would he play Bond ?
    - Shekhar

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:39  

  • I wish the comms would stop about the 10k runs that Ganguly has. They brandish it like it's some defensive shield.

    By Blogger V, at 03:40  

  • short, wide from Bond and...sehwag hits four

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:40  

  • shekhar: Likely not if you are talking theory, but Sehwag's success owes largely to the room he creates to hit through the off and square, early on; never known him to change that based on who was bowling to him. Fair enough I guess -- I remember Barry Richards once suggesting that the real trick in opening is to make the bowler play your game, not for you to play his

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:40  

  • survived 1st ball....... *SIGH*

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:40  

  • Ganguly looking more assured against Bond today

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:41  

  • SG *actually* played a Bond ball with straight bat ..
    - Shekhar

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:41  

  • Interesting -- on the basis of 10 deliveries, actually 11, not as much venom on this deck for Bond to extract. Pace is pace irrespective, but off the track this deck isn't doing that bit extra for the quick

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:41  

  • 2nd Bond over.. No damage yet.. 20% job done..

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:42  

  • Agree Prem, Bond has one of the best bowling actions in cricket today. And the fact that he can bowl fast does help as well.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:42  

  • actually SG has been playing OK, its just that when you don't have scores behind you nothing seems to work... Hopefully he'll make some today

    Prem, do you agree with making dravid the skipper in absence of SG, or should we groom someone like Sehwag

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:42  

  • Gags 0 of 10 balls

    By Blogger jaiho, at 03:43  

  • *L* I wonder who the commentators are talking to -- us viewers, or the national selectors? A touch of the insurance salesman's patter here, just now

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:43  

  • Prem...do you think India made the right decision by batting first? The pitch looks like it would help batting more in the second innings with even less movement.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:43  

  • Guys...
    SG is cementing his place in the test side... Will show u his solid defence today

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:43  

  • Gaurav: I think I am a radical in this. VS is the logical medium-long term candidate, so I would go with him now -- assuming the selectors are changing the captain that is -- at least for ODIs.

    Sort of on the same lines that I suggested SRT should give the captaincy to SG, back in time, before that option was really being talked about.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:44  

  • Why is VS taking singles ? That should be SG's job...

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:44  

  • Any live audio links?

    By Blogger vshan, at 03:44  

  • shastri spewing pearls.."you've got to be an optimist."

    By Blogger riemann1, at 03:46  

  • Coolguy: No. My read is this pitch will only get better for batting.

    batting first can eventually help, if you put up a huge score and put the chasing side under pressure, but of the two options, I would have picked the chase based on the track.

    I think India batted first because it is underconfident about its batting, not sure it has the nous to chase any kind of sizeable target, so took the safer option

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:46  

  • Sorry Shekhar.... but I wud strongly advise u against suggesting anything abt SG... His only job is to 'lead' the side... and thats about it...

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:46  

  • Arun Lal makes a nice comment. "Ganguly has looked good and positive in the last few games just that he has got OUT"

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:46  

  • Prem, I agree with that. Selectors need to make up their mind... if they think SG can carry the team thru the world cup then persist with him....

    if there is any doubt they should look at long term solution.

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:47  

  • That edged four saved the over. I am not sure 2 singles in 5 deliveries is the best you can do against Mills -- damned if I see anything in his bowling beyond what a decent first change bowler would bring to the table.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:47  

  • was that swing for Bond...that first ball ??

    By Blogger worma, at 03:48  

  • coolguy: hehe..thats like gillespie very succinctly analyzing his ashes woes "its an execution thing!"

    By Blogger riemann1, at 03:48  

  • coolguy'oc, thats because Arun Lal is feeling good and positive about SG too

    By Blogger Toney, at 03:48  

  • Ewwwwwwwwwww! Someone needs to remind SG that his best batting was when he came on the front foot, sometimes predeterminedly.

    The way he faced bond that first ball, it's a no win situation. Can't drive even if it is in the slot because the weight is too much on the back foot, can't cut because the feet are stuck...

    Come on, this pitch isn't bouncing high... perfect track to come forward, even to Bond's pace... all SG has to remember is South Africa.

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:49  

  • ravi shastri makes an interesting comment... we have been losing finals because none of our batters are giving us hundreds.... someone needs to take up the responsibility for big occassions

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:49  

  • yeah Prem..I was hoping that they would take Bond front on

    By Blogger worma, at 03:51  

  • yeah...we need nerves of steel which our batsman have not shown. I liked Aravinda de Silva the best in pressure situations..inzi is pretty good too..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:51  

  • So let me see, the gameplan would be to effectively plan this as a 40-over game, minus the ten Bond bowls? :-(

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:51  

  • Prem
    How can an Arun Lal survive for so long in the commentary field?
    (Not implying tht Shastri and Gavaskar are better... )

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:51  

  • prem, if you heard, Shastri and Lal seem to suggest that SG is staying on the back foot which is a good thing. Cant understand their reasoning though.
    Are we giving too much respect to Bond by the way?

    By Blogger Toney, at 03:51  

  • Ganguly should just focus on giving Sehwag the strike... rather than try any heroics.

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 03:51  

  • hey guys, not watching the match live, so no idea of how actually sg is playing. but 1 run of 18 balls in odi is definitely bad by any standards, unless u get a real big score, where u have the chance to even things out over time..

    By Blogger puranjoy, at 03:52  

  • What is SG trying to do ?
    I mean I am not suggesting him anything ( heeding Yeda_Yakub's advice) .. just trying to understand ..

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:52  

  • Even a few big hits against him....spoil his start..would have been good

    By Blogger worma, at 03:52  

  • Gangul playing it safe here. Well I guess eeing off Bond without losing a wicket is not bad either irrespective of the run rate. The rest of th Kiwi bowlers are not much of a threat.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:52  

  • mills is benefitting from bond's bowling...his bowling by itself is nothing to be scared of..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:52  

  • Mills at 128k, 8 yard length. Straight defensive bat? interesting -- VS and SG against KM are actually playing not KM, but Bond at the other end

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:52  

  • Ganguly is doing his job.... After all..Bond has to seen off by someone..

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:52  

  • Yes raghu, aravinda showed real guts.... for me it was aravinda desilva both in semi final and then in the finals who shouldered the big match burden.... jayasuriya gave the early impetus and made them believe they could do it

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:53  

  • Prem,

    You are forgetting that SG is playing here to seal his place not for the team cause.

    By Blogger jaiho, at 03:53  

  • SG should start scoring runs..there is no substitute for scoring runs to get your confidence up..its no use wasting 50 balls for 10 runs and then getting out...

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:53  

  • yeda...on this pitch not all his balls are dangerous enough to be seen off

    By Blogger worma, at 03:54  

  • toney: they are not "reasoning", they are "justifying".

    On this track, no, this is not good tactics -- staying beside the ball and as far as you can get on the back foot without actually kicking the stumps down, is merely enhancing your chances of getting out, and reducing to zero your chance of making any sort of significant contact with the ball

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:54  

  • jaiho..u r exactly right...he is playing for himself as usual..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:54  

  • Rvi Shastri makes a good point. A final should always be scheduled for the weekend. pref. Sunday. No point in keeping a Ind-Zim match on a Sunday and the final on a week day.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 03:54  

  • Yeda...One small request..Wld appreciate if u leave yr personal opinions on people outside the blog door.The diatribe is getting a bit too predictable and distracting us from some interesting stuff that Prem and the rest are discussing.Just a request..leave it to you to decide eitherway

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:55  

  • KM is definitely benefiting from Bonda at the other end ;)

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:55  

  • jaiho: Um, well, whatever

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:55  

  • Prem: If Ganguly isnt in any sort of form, why is he opening? Wouldnt he better placed to play himself back into form if he came in against the lesser bowlers, on a good platform on a good batting track?

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 03:55  

  • Raghu... I heard those words for the first time... !! :-)

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:55  

  • prem...i would have thought, even with their pre plans, these two are experienced enough the judge the pitch and alter accordingly ?...

    By Blogger worma, at 03:55  

  • this is looking good already for india. see bond out with a decent run rate and sehwag still in.... with the right super sub, and a long long batting line up with dhoni etc. waiting, we could make 300 here.

    By Blogger S, at 03:55  

  • We are seeing Bond and Mills. We need to see off Styris and Oram too, not to mention Astle.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:56  

  • maiden ? maiden ?? maiden ???

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:56  

  • *seeing off* in the last post

    By Blogger Jiet, at 03:56  

  • yeah yeda..;)

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:56  

  • At this rate SG and VS will see off even Zimbwabwe ..

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 03:56  

  • Ravi ...
    Point taken buddy

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:57  

  • yeda_yakub, seeing off is one thing, not scoring another...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:57  

  • sg is really out of it..he has to go...out of the team

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:57  

  • SCG is absolutely clueless against the new ball bowlers.. 1 run of 22 balls

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:57  


    By Blogger S, at 03:57  

  • worma: 'experience' can sometimes be over-rated; an 'experience' of failing repeatedly merely puts doubt in your mind... if you gamble on batting first, imho, you need to actually *bat*

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:57  

  • prem, eagerly awaiting your "dot-ball" stats :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:58  

  • 13 deliveries without any run and counting.. whats goin on??

    By Blogger puranjoy, at 03:58  

  • At this rate, India will be 80 for no loss at lunch. As Sunil Gavaskar used to say, give the first session to the bowler and the next two sessions will be yours!!
    The way AL and Shastri are talking up Bond, seems like he's the first bowler who broke the 140kmh mark

    By Blogger Toney, at 03:58  

  • SG finally gets *2* :)

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:58  

  • 16 dot balls, Hmmmm, what a positive approach to be not chokers !

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 03:58  

  • yeah thats what I thought....there was talk of batting first to show positive signals etc....what the heck....bat first to play maidens...thats not positive signals at all :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 03:58  

  • prem..i agree...sometimes it is better to be raw so that you have no baggage in your mind...maybe we should start blooding younsters in the finals and leave the seniors for the rest of the games...

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:58  

  • The weird bit is, that first game, given the pitch, given the wind, given the movement bond was getting in the air and off the wicket, was when you really needed to see off a bowler -- and you could do it too, because on that track you didnt need a big score

    then, they didn't; tried too many shots instead.

    the pitch here is doing nothing extraordinary for bond, even the bounce is at best chest high when he bangs it in.

    which argues that this is not the time to play the way they should have played in game one

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 03:59  

  • and somehow, I have always felt that these experience players are always able to judge the pitch, even if we sitting back are mistaken....hardly see such pre-determined effort to be bogged down

    By Blogger worma, at 03:59  

  • 6.4 Bond to Ganguly, two runs, back of a length and on the pads,
    clipped off the hips through square-leg for a single...Commentary on Cricinfo

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:59  

  • off late ganguly seems to be preferring the leg side

    By Blogger gaurav, at 03:59  

  • FINALLY!!!

    By Blogger Raghu, at 03:59  

  • Saurabh
    This time u missed the sarcasm ...:-)

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 03:59  

  • I think the more dot balls you face the more pressure it puts on you to make a substantial score to back up your strike rate. Ganguly getting out after facing 50 balls will be disastrous.
    ok....there we go..Ganguly opens his arms a 4.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 04:00  

  • 44 balls, 3 four balls, 4 singles, 1 two ball, and 36 Dot balls...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:00  

  • ok Prem...here comes the SA shot :)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:00  

  • Thats the Saurav Ganguly the experienced, 4, good shot.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 04:00  

  • and another one

    By Blogger worma, at 04:01  

  • Finally!!!!! Good lad, now just once, do that to Bond and you are likely home free

    I like though that SG is going after Mills -- that bloke doesn't deserve the respect he was getting

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 04:01  

  • one more from SG, i spoke too soon

    By Blogger gaurav, at 04:01  

  • howzatt...thats ganguly the frustrated..:)

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:01  

  • prem.. it is only to be expected from ganguly against bond - atleast initially when he is under pressure to perform. I think sehwag should go for it.

    By Blogger V, at 04:01  

  • This is good batting from Ganguly....taking apart Mills here...10 runs off his over already.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 04:02  

  • ganguly signalling for water...i guess all the hardwork has made him thirsty..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:02  

  • Ganguly is back in glorious form!!!

    ( chuckles )

    By Blogger Jiet, at 04:02  

  • Prem...u were bang on..SG's predetermined ...down the pitch stuff is more productive..

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:02  

  • worma: is all he has to do really. look to go front foot. Check it out in shadow play -- if you go front foot, it is easy to transfer to back if the ball deserves it. plant your back foot though, and you can't slide forward in time, especially to anything halfway quick

    By Blogger Prem Panicker, at 04:02  

  • India cannot afford TOO many maiden overs , as if we can afford a few. Who is the commentator.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 04:02  

  • if sehwag takes bond to the cleaners a few balls - then ganguly will probably be a bit more confident as well with bond. in any case he seems to be taking a liking to mills.

    By Blogger V, at 04:02  

  • now we see mills' bowling for what it is..crap..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:03  

  • wow this was a good shot from SG

    By Blogger gaurav, at 04:03  

  • Very good short by Saurav.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 04:03  

  • SCG probably heard us

    By Blogger Raju, at 04:03  

  • Prem
    How can an Arun Lal survive for so long in the commentary field?
    (Not implying tht Shastri and Gavaskar are any better... )

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:03  

  • SG now overtakes VS in terms of runs scored

    By Blogger gaurav, at 04:04  

  • gp...he heard the selectors polishing their boots to kick him out of the team..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:04  

  • guys lets keep our fingers crossed. i havent seen SG advance down the wicket for a while now. i hope today is his day.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:04  

  • I am sure he is reading this blog since the last 3 matches.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 04:04  

  • gp: Looks like slow connection to Harare ..

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 04:04  

  • single to vs..lets see if sg comes down the track now..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:05  

  • well bowled, Bond, that shopuld wake him up.

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:05  

  • Is there any kind of bounce on the pitch ?
    Is VS looking more comfortable now ?

    By Blogger Shekhar Kale, at 04:05  

  • bodyline..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:06  

  • SG gets one bang on the helmet

    By Blogger gaurav, at 04:06  

  • This hit on the helmet is going make the difference here. If ganguly shakes this off and plays the next few short balls well then he would have conquered his demons for today.

    By Blogger V, at 04:06  

  • don't do anything stupid against Bond now....

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:06  

  • SG has just secured his place for the tests and the next series at least, he shouldn't be bothered anymore and start celebrating it now...

    By Blogger mohd iqbal, at 04:06  

  • shekhar...the bounce is usual not too much...vs is definitely more comgy than sg..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:06  

  • 3 fours in an over GANGULY !!!!

    The game plan seems to be seeing off BOND

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 04:07  

  • Raghu
    There is no need to come down the track now... its a decent run rate...
    They can keep targetting the other bowlers

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:07  

  • Phew...saw off Bond...Good single...last one.

    By Blogger CoolGuy'OC, at 04:08  

  • yeda..u r right..i was just saying that so that sg might get some confidence..

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:08  

  • Lets give it to SG.. He is working hard now

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:08  

  • I think a couple more times down the track shouldnt hurt. It'll upset the length of Mills as well as the rest to come, will get them thinkining at least.

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:08  

  • a slog if ever there was one..4 to vs

    By Blogger Raghu, at 04:09  

  • Yes, SG is going good so far, lets hope he scores big today.

    By Blogger howzzatt, at 04:09  

  • SG plays the pull!!1 Pulled it off :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:09  

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