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Thursday, September 15, 2005

Ind-Zim Day3 open thread

The game's progressing on pretty predictable lines...with India, having wrapped the Zim innings fairly satisfactorily, and then built on the initial advantage with a good opening partnership, are looking to play relatively safely, so that they have to bat only once(and big). They covered the smaller milestones in that journey fairly perfectly. Not loosing any extra wickets and Laxman and Ganguly refraining themselves towards the end of the day.

Laxman, while acknowledging the weakness of the attack, is fairly pleased with his effort, coming from a break of sorts, understandably so...although I wished he hadn't spoken about the 'negative vibes' in the team. Dropping hints like these serves no purpose for his or team good. But still, given the kind of troubles he has faced in the last years, some vent is probably due. I hope he does it more with the bat, though. In this match, the next, and the next.. :-)

And btw, ICC called up a special PC to trash the speculations about the match fixing investigation going on. Now this issue surely looks dead to me...but I guess with the knowledge of the past, as we have, its never safe to discount all possibilities.

Anyways....open thread for the day....


  • Yeah, we should look forward to batting almost the entire day. We can probably still win by batting aggressively till about an hour after lunch and try to finish the game today itself, but all our batsmen need batting practices. Weak or strong, Zim is an international side against whom Sehwag and Dravid couldnt make hundred (in this game). So, a year from now, when we analyze Laxman's performance, would we discount this hundred saying it came against the arguably weakest attack in the world?

    By Blogger Raju, at 03:44  

  • gp, true in all you say. For example, no one now discusses that Hayden triple ton was against Zim. It was part of building his reputation as a big scorer.

    As I said yesterday, its Zim alright, but still many good batsmen miss out on tons, and many good bowlers on five-fors. So what Lax and Pathan did is not 'totally useless' and 'not worth mentioning', whatever people may say.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:53  

  • guys
    to the contrary i think that these performances will go a long way. the reason being if we do win this series it will help bring a certain cohesiveness within the team which i feel is lacking as of now. similarly GC will then have done what even wright didnt which is win a series abroad. even if it is against zim it still counts as long as they have test status. once GC gets this he will gain credability and will hopefully push for whatever he sees necessary.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 03:58  

  • k-slice..agreed. Its not at all contrary to my opinion (wrote abt it earlier)...comfortable series win here..with good individual performance...is good for this team...a perfect way to come out of lean patch before going into tougher challenges in the season.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:05  

  • If we are not careful early on we may loose wickets in a heap and end up with just 100-150 runs lead. Not very sure of yuvi or ganguly against streak and cowith the new ball

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:08  

  • though worma on the other hand i also do worry about the one word that plagues our team: complacency. incidentaly it was also azza's favorite word. at any press conference if we had won he used to say just one thing the boys shouldnt get complacent

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:10  

  • India should win this game by a huge margin within 3 or 3.5 days to justify their ranking. They are on target to do that and might actually unless their maverick tendencies set in again.

    I am more interested in the bowling - it has suddenly looked patchy even in helpful conditions. Usually our seam/swing bowlers do failry ok abroad (I am talking about the 80s and 90s) than at home. I am not sure what is wrong with the current bunch.

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:14  

  • k-slice...if they are foolish enough to get complacent after their achievements against Zim..then no-one can help them!!...but IMO they are aware just exactly what these achievements mean for them (as Lax conceded about the attack).

    Azza's PC's were a riot :)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:15  

  • ganguly starts off with a 4. i thik he shoud raise his bat now itself. quarter century up for ganguly!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:16  

  • vshan, just remember that this is the first test innings, in a while, for our bowlers and batsmen....it takes a while to get into test match mentality (attack with bowl, and carefull with bat)...so..give some leeway for that

    k-slice don't be so cruel ;)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:20  

  • On Azhar's bites to the press - he once remarked 'If Tendulkar clicks, we will win!' :-)

    Another gem - 'The onus is on Tendulkar'

    Azhar had a tremondous role in the hype and promotion of Tendulkar (may not have been intentional though ;-) )

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:21  

  • oops i forgot worma.
    im sorry i did not remember that ganguly's star defender worma was around!!! if ganguly ever gets arrested he should pick his lawyer from the vast supporters he has on this blog itslef!!
    just kidding worma!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:22  

  • asi say that SG creams another 4

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:22  

  • vshan i still remember the days when i was a kid and my grand dad refused to watch a match or for that matter let us watch a match if SRT went out. he is 94 years old now but still follows our team and SRT's injury like most home makers follow soap operas!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:25  

  • ta

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:25  

  • k-slice LOL! It used to happen similarly with me and my grand dad. He would refuse to see the match till Srikanth has reached double figures. :-)

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:26  

  • k-slice no probs...i dont defend him anymore ;)...and yeah..I also remember the times when the match for us got over when SRT got out..those were bad cricketing times for Ind team...but still somehow the memories are nostalgic :)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:27  

  • And I remember atime in Blore when close to 25% of the people walked out from the stadium when Azhar got out.Man!! Was he a favorite with the Banagalore crowd.Pure sensational batting

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:30  

  • Guys ... the discussion by K-slice and vshan...is more interesting than the game as of now...
    .. so let me throw a question to the enthu jun

    What would b ur best 11 for an all time indian team? ( considering the players were at the peak of their powers)

    For me, it is

    S. Vishwanath
    Pathan (or Bhajji)...depends on surface

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:34  

  • guys ... forgot to mention... above is the team for ODIs

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:35  

  • Yakub,
    Is this for tests or ODI's? I would think Farookh Engineer in place of s.vishwanath.

    Ravi (No Italics !!)

    By Blogger Ravi, at 04:38  

  • Did I ask such a difficult question ?? :-)

    If so, let me take my words back... enjoy guys... keep discussing other things if not this...

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:46  

  • well most of the players are before my time but these are the few that i would have for a test team
    1. srt
    2.Sunil g
    4. Dravid
    6.eknath solkar
    7.kiran more
    9. Kumble

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:48  

  • All time? Then my team would be (assuming each player at the height of his prowess as well as not involved in match fixing :-) ):

    Mohinder Amarnath (tough call against Dravid as Jimmy is a more than useful bowler)
    RJ Shastri (people forget what a great middle order bat he was in ODIs before moving to opening full-time)
    Kapil Dev
    Sadanand Viswanath/Kirmani (Tough choice although the former was more aggressive on the field)
    Roger Binny
    L Sivaramakrishnan
    S Venkatraghavan

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:48  

  • Surprise !! Surprise ... SG is batting ... and nobody cribbing / fighting it out...

    I shud also go back to sleep it seems...

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:49  

  • yeda i thik the phrase flogging a dead horse has been flogged too many times in the SG debate!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:50  

  • For my test team, it would be:

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Veerendra Sehwag
    Mohinder Amarnath/MAK Pataudi (as captain)
    Dilip Vengsarkar/Gundappa Viswanath
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Kapil Dev
    Farrokh Engineer
    J Srinath

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:51  

  • vshan, put shastri instead of venkat and take azza in. Thats my team (from the players i have seen)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:51  

  • K-slice ... u wud include a Gavaskar in place of a Ganguly / Sehwag ... in a ODI team !!

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:52  

  • vshan as a kid i used to do that. every time sri was batting i did not move till he got out. most times he let me off easily and fast given the speed at which he scored!! i dont think people realise that the whole idea of apinch hitting in cricket could be attributed to his batting. whats even more surprising is that he was a good batsmen to boot unlike atul bedade who was purely a belter!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:52  

  • worma - no problem - I put Venkar in cause he bowled a tight line usually. Also, he was a very very good fielder

    What about the test team?

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:53  

  • yeda i think you mis comprehended the term test etam in my earlier post!!
    just kidding!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:53  

  • K-slice
    Yes - Srikkanth was a good bat but too reckless in my opinion. He was a victim of the hype of him being an explosive batsmen. HE often tried to live up to it and got out to reckless shots. Case inpoint - his first ball dismissal to Dipak Patel against NZ in 1992. He picked the only fielder outside the ring inthe first over.

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:55  

  • K-slice...
    Noted buddy...

    Looks like nobody here wud want to include Kumble(even at his prime) in the best 11 of a ODI?

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:56  

  • Ganguly gets a wicket! Well done!

    By Blogger vshan, at 04:56  

  • I would think Dravid is the best batsman at number 3 for india. So would add him

    By Blogger Ravi, at 04:59  

  • Sunny G
    Vishwanath /Azhar
    Prasad ( :-))

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:59  

  • I wonder what SG was doing !!

    By Blogger Ravi, at 05:00  

  • From Cricinfo:

    92.4 Blignaut to Laxman, no run, RUN OUT! turned away well wide of the fielder at midwicket and Laxman takes off for a single, should have been an easy run but Ganguly stands his ground and that complicates things - in the end a terrible mix-up and Laxman is out by a long way.

    India 356/4, Partnership of 128
    VVS Laxman run out (Streak) 140 (221b 21x4 0x6)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:02  

  • I am not watching guys... can anyone who saw it pls share what exactly happened...

    Just want to get a better picture ( resulting expressions wouldn't change though)

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:03  

  • ravi, ball watching was what he was doing. Cricket 101 was not really followed here.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:03  

  • yeda, Laxman flicked to a vacant mid-wicket spot and took off with a loud call immediately. Ganguly came down about 3-4 steps, all the while looking towards the ball. Streak swooped in from mid-on and picked up and threw in one motion. Ganguly retraced his steps, by which time Laxman had crossed mid-pitch. Laxman stopped and was not even remotely close to making ground when Taibu collected the throw and threw down the stumps.

    It was Laxman's call all the way, and would have been completed (or not), IMO, had Ganguly responded with a call in a normal course of time.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:06  

  • This is typical Gangs. Not running to the calls, reminds me of Ravi shastri days. And this, mind you, was the easiest run.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 05:07  

  • Jaunty
    Thanks yaar....
    Wonder why cricinfo didn't write
    VVS Laxman run out (GANGULY) 140 (221b 21x4 0x6)

    But to be fair to Ganguly... its his career at stake... not Laxman's

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:08  

  • Throw was wayward but Taibu did well to collect it near the crease in front of the stumps and then turn around and dive to hit the stumps. Laxman was about 2/3rds of the way down when he stopped and turned around.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:08  

  • jaunty, his carrier is already over, unless the jaggu uncle comes to his help. This man had a great opportunity to exit gracefully and has thrown it away, thats sad.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 05:11  

  • So VVS had almost taken two runs and got run out while SG did not complete half a run. Interesting..

    By Blogger Ravi, at 05:12  

  • There he goes....SG has now given fodder to the people who were longing for a bite

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:13  

  • The commentary team is discussing all kinds of run-out stats.

    Steve Waugh involved in 27 run-outs. Himself run-out 4 times!!

    SG is not far behind either. I wonder what the numbers are for Atapattu.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:14  

  • Two awesome cover drives by Yuvraj.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:14  

  • Don't forget Sanjay Manjrekar and Inzamam

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:15  

  • Yuvraj looks ominous for Zimbabwe.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:15  

  • Hmmm...of course, Inzamam is an old hand at this. I guess I shall have to look around to dig up the numbers for him...

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:16  

  • Earlier in the post I saw a comment on pinch hitting.To be precise,Srikkanth actually started the over the field hitting in one-dayers way back in 1985 in the WCC in Aus.Unfortunately,Jayasuriya is being credited with this idea bcos of the success rate that he has had

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:18  

  • what has RD done in the last year ODI's to be picked for player of the year? honestly curious because i cannot recall anything spectacular...

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:19  

  • uvraj yorks himself!!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:26  

  • who was he turning around and looking at as he left? seemed peeved. at SG?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:27  

  • what has this dinesh done to himself? he looks a clown in his attempt to look like dhoni!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:28  

  • Even Yuvraj is not happy with Ganguly!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:29  

  • thats why yuvi looks fine in one-dayers.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 05:29  

  • Ganguly has had it!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:29  

  • how can SG be responsible for yuv yorking himself? :)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:30  

  • No Veenu Mankad and no Kumble,in an all time India XI. I would like to request this forum to name any Indian bowler who has taken more wickets per test than Kumble.

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 05:30  

  • I think ..it is the way..Ganguly is standing at the non-striker's end...which might have misguided Yuvraj to step out...and miss the line of the ball!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:31  

  • Nearly man...Narendra Hirwani...on pure wickets per test...good that he played only few..not a great bowler except on underprepared pitches

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:31  

  • Ganguly has gone past his par score, i hope he now accelerates.

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 05:32  

  • Hirwani has less than four per test.

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 05:33  

  • Guys, forget about Yuvraj getting peeved at SG, now it's the pefect time to start the discussion all over again whether Kaif would have been a better choice. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:33  

  • Finding run-out stats for Inzy was easy enough...but finding totoal # that he was involved it was harder...oh well, someone with better searching skills could do this one.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:33  

  • or maybe SG kicked the ball on the way and directed it to the stumps? ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:34  

  • 99.2 Dabengwa to Karthik, no run, fulltoss, driven down to the mid-on
    region, there was an easy single there but Ganguly truns down the

    Whats gotten to SG ??

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 05:34  

  • Kaarthick might b growing his hair ..... so tht later he can use them on a visit to Tirupati Balaji temple

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:35  

  • Yuvraj was looking at the spot in teh pitch where the ball landed, thats all.

    Fantastic catch by Taibu..one of the best keepers in the world today. Karthik gone.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:35  

  • From what I saw, DK did not take off and wasn't SG's fault. Cricinfo likes to give it's own special SG twist to stories...

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:35  

  • Hey kansultant, you look like Boman Irani's younger bro.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:35  

  • yes, in the next test gangs should sit out (or banned for slow scoring, wish there was such a rule) and kaif should replace him.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 05:36  

  • Pls complete the above
    99.3 Dabengwa to Karthik, one run, again driven down to the mid-on
    region, this time Ganguly responds to the call and Karthik is off
    the mark

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:36  

  • The catch was like Gilchrists take in the final Test (Vaughn's, I think, it was).

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:36  

  • Kumble remains a match winner for India....notwithstanding his indifferent performances on foreign pitches. Other match winners( on many occasions)...well...atleast in the recent decade remains Sachin Tendulkar...and Saurav Ganguly..( yes, the man responsible for yorking Yuvraj a few minutes back!)

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:36  

  • Hope they get this DK out and bring dhoni in - long hair alone isn't enough.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:37  

  • What could be an interesting discussion is whether we should play Dhoni in tests as well. He's definitely a better batsman than both Kaarthik and Patel. Keeping wise, hardly any difference. So why not Dhoni?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:37  

  • Dadagiri...beg to differ...Karthick is definitely better than Dhoni and Patel behind the stumps.Let's give credit wher it is due

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:39  

  • My take? Dhoni is not Test standard in keeping. In an ODI for the most part he has done a decent job, and his batting is a bonus. Personally, I like a great keeper-soso batsman ahead of an okay keeper-good batsman. (Yes, I would take Chris Read everytime over Geriant Jones). Just my view, thats all.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:40  

  • Kaif can never be a good captain!
    Only candidate seems to be Yuvraj.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:40  

  • Ravi,
    I disagree. May be he's better, but just marginally. He too is missing stumping chances and dropping catches. Don't see quite a big difference.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:40  

  • Ganguly has realized now tht he may loose out on a century ... bcoz of lack of partners at the other end... So folks... observe a harried and more alert Ganguly now... eager to find more runs

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:41  

  • Hope to see some sense of urgency in SG now...1)Tail may not last too long for India to get a good lead.2)He may run out of partners if he is looking for a big score...Is India missing the plot here

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:42  

  • I think ..we try and lure the Sri Lankan keeper..with some citizenship offer...ala...England style!
    That should solve our keeping problem.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:43  

  • 50 for SG...Well played Gangs!!

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:44  

  • Congrats Saurav!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:44  

  • What a cover drive by Pathan. Economy of movement, but impeccable footork and timing.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:44  

  • Ravi - you could ignore dadagiri. I think I know who it is from a different forum.

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:44  

  • Yeda,
    'Missing out on a century'? He just reached his 50. It's not like all the batsmen are getting centuries in a platter and Ganguly might get one as well. Ravi's comments make more sense.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:44  

  • century or not, he should be out.

    By Blogger sharpant, at 05:45  

  • Ravi - I said ignore coz that handle has a history of negative comments on Sulekha. It was daadaji or some such like there.

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:45  

  • Vshan, what's your problem dude? What comment did I make that Ravi should ignore? Don't talk trash.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:46  

  • Dadagiri,
    Ganguly wud b a fool if he is not eyeing a century against Zim... U r right not everybody has got a 100.... but Ganguly needs it as desparately as u wud seek water in the desert.

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:47  

  • 5000 runs for Ganguly in Tests

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:47  

  • On the captaincy issue...I feel...SG has seen us thru' this generation......now it is turn of the next generation captain....RD is not a suitable candidte anyway...as he belongs to SG's generation. Amongst Yuvraj, Kaif and Sehwag........I feel Yuvraj will be the best fit. The other 2 are good players but may not be good captains.
    I must add...RD has shown enough commitment...and done enough to deserve the captaincy...if u see from his point of view.....but at this stage..India needs something else.
    What say?!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:48  

  • Vshan...Dadagiri...Guys,Backoff.Leave it to me to ignore or respond.Let's keep the blog going

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:48  

  • wow...2 more gone...Taibu would learn a lesson that all new Indian batsmen should be fed pace attack when they come in

    By Blogger worma, at 05:48  

  • If i was an Indian tailender, I would get myself out !!

    Why give SG any bragging rights ???

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 05:48  

  • Sweet cover-punch by Pathan off the left arm spinner. Nice, nice shot. He bats in such simple straight lines. If he keeps it up he is in for a very fruitful career. He has the requisite tools for it.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:50  

  • Ravi, you should ask vshan to back off, not me. I am just having a regular conversation just like everyone else.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:50  

  • vshan, what is your id on sulekha?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:50  

  • Kansultant...therein lies the difference between playing for self and playing for the team

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:50  

  • I would still think a lead of 200 looks on par....so maybe we would be allout instead of declaring...doesn't matter

    By Blogger worma, at 05:50  

  • yeah - but we have a good batsman in Pathan - hope GC hones it and makes him realize his potential.

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:51  

  • mock_turtle - that should be 'was'. I have not been there in ages. It was 'S on Cricket'

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:51  

  • Yes..with 100 odd runs more to get and if the last few guys throw their bat around..we should have a good target for them to get and with a 4th day track..the game is as good as won...Touchwood

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:53  

  • thanks, vshan. i used to read that site once upon a time

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:54  

  • Ravi - I dont doubt that the game would be won. It is a question of how convincing the win is. We seem to have slipped in making it really big. We could have declared with 500 on the board by tea today - ideally.

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:54  

  • vshan,
    it is too bad for u not to include Rahul dravid in all time great Indian Test team ...
    I think he shld be the second guy to be penciled in any indian batting after sunil ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:55  

  • ravi..I think its still not time to throw the bat around...pathan can bat decently...and Kumble can hang around...so SG can look to build proper partnerships with them...then throwing of bat comes with ZK and Bhajji

    By Blogger worma, at 05:55  

  • IP has some serious batting talent...If he can work on his batting against short pitch batting he could, in my opinion, be as good as RD

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 05:55  

  • Dravid's comment during the pre-match interview - " nicer to get a good 77 than an ugly 100". Was he talking about SG?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:56  

  • EOD.. a win is a win..whatever be the margin..True..bigger the margin..better the confidence

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:56  

  • rajesh - could not help dropping him in place of Vengsarkar - a batsman when on song I would love to watch any day!

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:56  

  • Worma..you mean Bhajji is that bad!..come on!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:57  

  • India today 70 for 3 in 23 overs.

    Does Yuvraj have experience as a captain? What about Kaif, has he captained after the Under-19 days? Anyone know definitively?

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:57  

  • vshan, yeah sure declaring would have been good..but to me, if we get 500+ and even if are allout in the process...and get them out under that in second innings..then its a fairly comfortable victory....

    By Blogger worma, at 05:58  

  • Hi,
    my all time ODI and Tests

    1. sRT
    2. SG
    3. shewag
    4. Dravid/jimmy
    5. azhu
    6. dhoni/farukh
    7. Shastri
    8. Kapil
    9. Binny/pathan/prabakar
    10. srinath
    11. LSiva/Kumbles

    Test team
    1. sunil
    2. shewag
    3. rahul
    4. jimmy
    5. Sachin
    6. viswanath
    7. kirmani
    8. kapil
    9. srinath
    10. chndrasekar
    11. bedi
    12. prasana

    By Blogger rajesh, at 05:59  

  • blwe_torch..no bhajji isn't bad, can surely get a chancy 50 against this attack....what I meant was that there would be any 'building of innings' when he comes in

    By Blogger worma, at 06:00  

  • Jaiho! Good Morning guys!
    Just got up. Thought Ganguly will be done with by now. Buts it looks like he is intent on playing a ala Akash Chopra innings. Man 145 Balls for 50 odd runs. How did Pathan get run out if anyone has seen the dismissal

    By Blogger jaiho, at 06:00  

  • Yuvraj...will be a better captain..I feel...not Kaif. Their case looks like a typical SG ...and RD scenario. They arrived at the same time. SG and RD has SRT...as their senior contemporary...and Yuvi ..and Kaif has Sehwag..

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:01  

  • " nicer to get a good 77 than an ugly 100". Was he talking about SG?

    Did he really say that... then his target his so obvious :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:01  

  • 12 overs per hour!! This is very sad.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:01  

  • Worma...I know..I was just joking!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:01  

  • turtle
    do you thnk he was talking about vvs? given that vvs has been bitching about negative vibes within the team. though i thought his 100 was pretty decent.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:03  

  • Kansultant, may be Dravid was referring to Sachin's century in Sydney. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:04  

  • not VVS. they had an interview with Dravid before the match started and he said this and some other things about constantly striving to improve, blah blah. Must be all that Vedanta ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:04  

  • jaiho...u mean VVS... SG got his wicket

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:05  

  • In his post match interview yesterday Laxman was asked what the target would be for today. he replied that GC would sit with the team and tell them their goal for the day, and then they would take it from there.

    I like that. It looks like the team has a set goal in mind for the day and work towards it with input from the coach.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:05  

  • no..no..he may be referring to Alan Border's century at Trentbridge.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:05  

  • S Gavaskar says he was disappointed with the session. He anticipated at least 100 runs in this session.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:06  

  • mock : hmm..how did he know he would get a nice 70+ in the match ;-)...anyways...I guess it was a general comment...and unlike Lax...dravid has much better control of his self...wouldn't drop useless hints..either speak out or keep it to himself....btw can you point to that interview ??

    By Blogger worma, at 06:06  

  • well did he not get 77 runs in the first innings? if he did say it before the match began that was some nostradamusesque prediction or is he fixing his own score before the game begins?!?!?!!?!?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:07  

  • Why do have to look for some hidden meaning in every comment every cricketer makes? Is it necessary that Dravid was surely referring someone in particular and was not making a general statement?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:07  

  • pre-match TODAY ;-) after his innings of yesterday

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:07  

  • yeah well...Gavaskar is right...but it wasnt the runs...it was the wickets...new batsmen coming in means taking time to get set...am sure had VVS stayed we would've had atleast 100 runs in the session

    By Blogger worma, at 06:08  

  • On hindsight...he might have been referring to the Kepler Wessels century in Faislabad...may be!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:08  

  • or maybe some boycott century from the 70's?

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:09  

  • dadagiri, yeah I'm pretty sure that whatever be there internally, dravid was making a general comment...and anyways...SG is playing a cautious knock...but there's hardly anything ugly about it. From what I saw last evening, he was playing with a perfect straight bat....not the slightest of open face

    By Blogger worma, at 06:10  

  • My all time india XI:
    Gavaskar,Sehwag,Dravid,Vishwanath,Tendulkar,Mankad,Kapil Dev,Kirmani,Nissar,Srinath and Prasanna.Nissar has 25 wickets in 6 tests,Srinath has taen the most wickets amongst fast bowlers after Kapil and Prasanna has a shade under four per match and may be preferred over harbhajan who has a better strike rate but lacks consistency.The all rounder's slot goes to Veenu Mankad.

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 06:10  

  • which one?...the one in Adelaide...1976-77?

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:10  

  • Thanks Kansultant

    Yes I meant Laxman. yes I just saw the reply. Didn't look like a happy camper after he was out

    By Blogger jaiho, at 06:11  

  • Gavaskar is spending quite a bit of time on the art of responding to a partners calls. Does not seem too impressed with the technique of the running in this innings.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:11  

  • R Dravid - total run outs - 19, 12 times ran out the partner. In the all time top 5:)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:11  

  • BTW...the mention of Boycott..reminds me of one Prince of Kolkata.....where is he?...Oh..he is batting on 52...

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:11  

  • and Kumble rather than Prasanna

    By Blogger Nearly Man, at 06:11  

  • Guys, also keep in mind that Zim has bowled only 24 overs in the session. That's another reason for us not getting 100 runs in the session apart from losing three wickets and SG and VVSL going slow in the morning session.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:12  

  • Gavasker on partner's cal........how about Daryl Foster on natures's call?

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:13  

  • All-time run out list in Tests.

    Border 12 self -17 others
    Waigh 4 self -23 others
    Botcott 7 self -13 others
    Sobers 10 self -10 others
    Dravid 7 self -12 others

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:13  

  • Hmmm, continuing on a thread from earlier...maybe we should get Taibu to emigrate to India! Awesome keeper, decent batsman! :-)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:15  

  • Why could he have not been talking abt his own centuries made under different circumstances with a few dropped chances thrown in

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:15  

  • ravi, absolutely. We spend too much of our time looking for hidden meanings. IMO, a waste of time.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:16  

  • Sure Taibu will be great and we can also exchange jaunty quicksand with jhonty rhodes. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:17  

  • Taibu...isn't bad...or we can go for Gilchrist...after he hangs his gloves!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:17  

  • Everybody is looking for hidden meanings these days...thanks to Da Vinci code!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:18  

  • Rd is such a perfectionist that any scores that he made because of the opposition's largesse would go down in his books as ugly and undeserving..That is his standard..Good 'ol Blore Boy :)

    Guys,don't run for my profile...I am from Blore

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:19  

  • Guys,don't run for my profile...I am from Blore

    I sort of guessed that yesterday when u named bharadwaj, david johnson, somasundar, kirmani and GR Vishwanath in the same post :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:22  

  • Ganguly and laxman really need to look at the number of centuries they have scored in test cricket. It is sad that a player like strauss takes 19 tests to score 7 centureis (against great teams like oz and SA) and lax takes 64. Admitted lax opened for almost half of them, but still the term world class is used very loosely for ganguly and laxman. Ganguly is even worse 80+ tests for 11 centrureism dravid has twice as many and both made their debut in the same test!!! They still have lot to prove and improve. Only 2 batsmen from India deserve that tag SRT and RD, even VS has some distance to travel

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:22  

  • dadagiri, trading me for jonty would actually get you an older, slower player ;-) Though, yes, thats who inspired my moniker.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:22  

  • Kan..Sure...and I also have insides on how Brijesh is pushing his son Udit Patel and how brilliant off-spinners like Dharmichand...ne'er heard of him,right??..quit cricket in frustation in K'taka

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:24  

  • Agrred avinash - great is too casually used in India ...
    only SRT and RD deserve the tag great in this indian team in tests

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:25  

  • Hey..avinash.....don't rush yourself abt Strauss. Even Ganguly was very impressive in the early part of his test career.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:25  

  • SG is ne'er termed as a great test player..ODI's - YES ..22 centuries..takes him to the top quartile

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:26  

  • SG has scored half of what i predicted / wished ....
    hahaa - grt SG - continue further ...
    would like to see SG's sure footwork against spinners in this test ... (That should be the first real plus SG could think now ...)

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:27  

  • ODI's - ya SRT and SG are grt no doubt abt it ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:28  

  • Avinash, Straus is an exception to the case. Not too many people start so well after 19 Tests. He has the added advantage of being an opener (and not a transformed one at that) so he gets more chances.

    By definition, batting at #5 or #6, where SG and VVS have spent a major part of their career, gives you fewer opportunities of converting those 50's into 100's since the tail is with you and the WAY you bat changes and so does the thought process.

    Sometime later I shall give you a comparison of the #5's and #6's of the present and the recent past and show you that VVS and SG actually stack up very, very well. (even for their century count).

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:30  

  • mock turtle..or someone...can you please post the link for the morning interview of Dravid ?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:30  

  • worma, it was on TV - don't know if there is a link..

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:32  

  • Worma...This must have been an interview on TV with Harsha or that Bhimani guy

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:32  

  • yes SG is ODI's is (was?) great and i am not commenting about struass being great not at all. in fact i anm using him as a test case to show that even a guy with 7 centuries in 19 tests is not being termed as great by people then why do we call SG and VVS great. they are good players and they can still become great, SG has 4 years and VVS has about 7 to improve and become great ( all this discussion with respect to tests only) if they really work hard and improve. but right now, no

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:32  

  • ravi,
    what is teh politics going on in karnataka cricket ????
    pls share ur insights on teh smae ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:34  

  • oh ok...did he say something else ? Abt the team strategy etc?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:34  

  • i agree......actually the English have a knack of terming their players...both native and imported..great as soon as they do something worthwhile!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:34  

  • yeah, it was the spiky-haired bhimani talking to dravid.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:36  

  • avinash,
    nobody said SG is a grt test player ....
    But ya with respect to vvs there was a lot of hype (correct considering teh talent he has) ,but he did not translate it ..
    WHat will u say of carl Hooper ... I feel he is too gud a player who has done too litle in tests

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:37  

  • meanwhile Harsha, as usual, describes the Indian innings very well here.

    By Blogger worma, at 06:37  

  • Bhimani made a tongue in cheek remark about a 3-day test match giving the visitors more time to sight-see, and Heath Streak who was with him, promptly said that he didn't think Zimbabwe could beat the Indians in 3 days!! Splendid comeback!!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:38  

  • avinash, okay ... if the point was about them being called great players, then okay by me. An Indian summer here and there does not warrant a long-term greatness tag, I agree.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:41  

  • streak also pointed at some carcass at the museum and said that is Ganguly ripped apart by the Zibm bowlers . does anyone spare SG? ;)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:42  

  • rajesh, did you know? Carl Hooper is the only person to score 5000 runs, take 100 wickets and take 100 catches in BOTH Tests and ODI's?!!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:43  

  • For SG fans...I like this thing about Harsha's article...
    "The bowling was at best ordinary, it was like setting a middle school paper for a university student. You couldn’t ask for more if you wanted to get back into form. But good batsmen need no more than to believe in themselves and these runs will come in handy".......
    I am sure...he is a confidence player....if he gets the runs here....he will get them against any bowling attack.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:43  

  • blwe_torch..sure that applies to VVS also. Not as much to RD and VS. But all the others shud be happy to gather some runs..Karthik, Yuv, Pathan...all of them would get some confidence from these runs

    By Blogger worma, at 06:45  

  • Oooh...Pathan hits a gorgeous straight drive. And Shastri has his stock "quick outfield" comment.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:45  

  • ya jaunty - but do u really feel 5000 was all hooper was about ...
    That guy was too gud in batting ...
    fantatic fielder also + a useful bowler

    I really felt he will break lot of records for his batting ... but he was disappoiting ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:46  

  • Worma..Any insight into the 'humor intact' part on SG in Harsha's column??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:46  

  • Shastri has also never had a 30 minute session without saying "odd ball stopping" or "odd ball keeping low" or some variation of that.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:46  

  • SG was answering the reporters in a cool and light hearted manner....even wondering abt the high number of no balls..

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:47  

  • What does harsha tells - he wants SG out or in ....?????/

    Any way i hope SG plays really well to get some confidence going

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:48  

  • Jaunty..Given it is Shastri..nothing odd abt that

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:48  

  • SG Supporters - ANy idea whey SG has become a man of very few words and looking dull and lacking in aggressiveness while speaking to media ........?????

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:49  

  • ravi,
    wht abt the politics in karnataka cricket??? u said u has some insights share it with us man

    By Blogger rajesh, at 06:50  

  • Rajesh...must have visted this blog

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:50  

  • Rajesh..Let's leave the K'taka cricket aside...Not that I know a lot abt it.Just teeny weeny bits...not very interesting

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 06:51  

  • rajesh, oh absolutely...I think Hooper never translated his skills into what he may have been capable of, except for the brief period when he was captain.

    As captain: 22 Tests 1609 runs 233HS 45.97average 9 (100) 4 (50)

    As non-captain: 80 Tests 4153 runs 178*HS 33.76 average 9 (100) 18 (50)

    I guess that had he been given more responsibility earlier in his career he may have been more focussed and thus translated his more than obvious skills.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:52  

  • ..ok..looks like lunch time meeting decision was to pick up the pace...with both being set now...

    By Blogger worma, at 06:53  

  • Sorry, that should read 4 (100) and 9 (50), as captain.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:53  

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