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Sunday, September 11, 2005

Ashes: T5 Day4 Open Thread

The Aussies have to bat the whole day today, or atleast a big part of it, and hope for atleast a lead of around 100. Flintoff is bowling extremely well, and Harmison seemed to be coming to his elements in his last spell yesterday. The first session is again important, especially because the new ball is also due. If these two are still fired up and manage to run through the middle order, most of the Aussie hopes would end then and there.

So, exciting day ahead. If only the weather holds up. Open thread....

109 Comments:

  • Flintoff gets Martyn.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 05:39  

  • yes, martyn, of all aussie players, has shown the least application in his stay at crease this summer! And he's been amongst their best last season. Something seriously wrong with his head !

    btw clannzu, noted your point about hayden comment

    By Blogger worma, at 05:44  

  • forecast predicts intermittent showers...result becoming less likely

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:44  

  • interesting too see Hoggard share the new ball...conditions better for swing and Harmy less likely to pitch it up

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:54  

  • Umpires getting their light meters out. :-)

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 05:59  

  • ...and hayden not concerned about bad light...free swing of the bat first ball outside off

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:01  

  • Hoggard off after one over

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:03  

  • in fact ...he is not and he has clarke dropped by freddie...sitter

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:04  

  • Flintoff drops !

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:05  

  • Ok intentions clear now from Australia.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:05  

  • If rain stays away this should be interesting period of play here. There is movement available and the batsman looking to step on the gas

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:09  

  • yeah aus have probably decided that even if they throw the bat around and loose a few wkts, they'll still end up few runs ahead...

    By Blogger worma, at 06:12  

  • Freddie was telling umpire Koertzen earlier that they should have lights on the bails so he can see them. Might be the reason had difficulty with that simple catch the following over

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:15  

  • A yorker might be a good idea here

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:21  

  • they've given up hope of swing...trying to test batsmen's reflexes in tough conditions...harmy was warming up

    By Blogger worma, at 06:22  

  • I was just about to say that jiet...slip in a fast toe-crunching yorker.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:22  

  • Clannzu, I always found it harder to sight the ball when it was full when the light was not good.

    Four runs...Hoggard did not sight it at fine leg! ;)

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:26  

  • why aren't they testing hayden outside the off? thats where he is weak, not on the pull !

    By Blogger worma, at 06:27  

  • worma, it is soemthing about Harmy that I still find strange...his line is generally middle and leg perhaps because he gets movement away like Srinath naturally.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:28  

  • poor bowling here last couple of overs

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:31  

  • hmm, yes maybe so. But he should try and adjust..its no point trying to scare the batsmen, even if its bad light, not esp Hayden....he's been vulnerable to in swing, or the in-climbing ball just outside the off...and I think Eng have forgotten that in this innings to some extent, didn't test him enough after first day. Its not just reverse swing, that line itself would have been tough for him to play...even now

    By Blogger worma, at 06:32  

  • Flitoff drops a catch a while ago? cannot believe it.. it must be the extra tension.

    it is likely to be curtians for :
    Gillispe )
    Kasper
    Martyn from the ODI team and possibly Tests
    Hayden from the ODI team.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:34  

  • I think England would be much better off in taking advantage of the conditions and being aggressive about getting wickets rather than hoping for the weather to intervene. The body language of the english fielders are not very positive at the moment, which is a real shame given how well they have played in this series.

    By Blogger anandan, at 06:35  

  • Harmison needs to be keyed in every so often...get him fired up.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:35  

  • Sack Ganguly, he's pretty ordinary: Wasim Akram

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:37  

  • yeah clannzu...they must have some formula for him...his last spell yestday was good

    By Blogger worma, at 06:37  

  • hayden gone...will they change the order..send Gilly up?

    By Blogger worma, at 06:43  

  • Fuck yes...Hayden gone. Rudi Koertzen lifts his finger in extra slow motion. :p

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:43  

  • freddie does it...Matt gone

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:43  

  • Katich...but i will not be surprised if the inner Gilly comes out

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:44  

  • Commentators saying Warne thinks Australia should declare early and put England in to make best use of overcast conditions. Not sure if thats such a good ploy because if light is offered to England they will take it straight away.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:47  

  • scoring rate is a concern now - Clarke still looking tentative and another new batter at the crease. It's for England to lose the momentum..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:47  

  • yep clannzu..thats what Greig also said

    By Blogger worma, at 06:48  

  • good move - Hoggard back . it looked catchable??? tension taking it's toll on Bell

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:48  

  • Clarke's swing goes almost straight to Bell at deep point who doesn't pick it up at all due to bad light.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:50  

  • yacrick...don't think the fielders are able to sight the ball early enough to take those.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:50  

  • Hoggard has been very unfortunate.. another edge ..but no wicket..
    beauty!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:52  

  • an absolute peach from Hoggard...Clarke leaves it...maybe brilliant but probably did not really pick it up

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:53  

  • that's funny... batters are able to see the ball alright with much less reaction time... but not the fielders.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:53  

  • Channel 4 analyst Simon Hughes showing that Hayden gets on the front foot to Hoggard and played that wonderful straight drive but same length ball from Flintoff he stayed on the crease due to the pace and extra bounce Freddie generates and got hit in front of stumps.
    Again this is brilliant coverage that ESPN-Star and SET Max could learn from.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:55  

  • out freddie does it...clearly the aussies having to gamble on the light here in good cond. fpr swing

    By Blogger Jiet, at 06:56  

  • Has Pietersen taken a single catch this series.. don't remember one . He was touted as a good fielder in ODIs and took several catches. Catching should not be different in Tests ..
    Katich goes..plumb
    Here comes Gilly! I can't see him make a lot of runs today. with the lights and conditions.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:57  

  • clannzu, what is the reason for ESP-Star or SET to improve coverage ? They're not looking to attract more viewers anyway. The whole country anyway watches, no matter what..

    By Blogger worma, at 06:57  

  • yacrik if you're 70 yards away from the pitch trying to pick the ball in this light is pretty difficult..also the background at The Oval doens't help because of the colourful stands and buildings.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 06:58  

  • Clarke is an attacking sort of batter isn't he... ready with a shot most of the time.
    Gilly lucky not to have edged..!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:00  

  • Talking about Pietersen's catching ability in Tests -
    it might be the color blindedness - can't see the red ball that well :)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:01  

  • One more wicket.. the Oz score does not look that great anymore. good pullback from Eng.
    Let the duel resume! Gilly and Flintoff..

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:06  

  • Freddie is bowling splendidly.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 07:07  

  • clan: that's for sure.
    and also, Hoggard has been bowling well - unlucky not have wickets so far in the Test.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:10  

  • Agreed...Hoggard's figures belie his bowling as another edge flies pass the slips.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 07:12  

  • was it going to hit leg - looked so - wait for the replay...

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:18  

  • Hoggard get reward for excellent spell..gilly gone

    By Blogger Jiet, at 07:29  

  • Gilly gone..Hoggard finally gets the reward for his toil.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 07:29  

  • Well deserved wicket for Hoggard!
    As I mentioned earlier, Gilly was not going to get many runs
    today.. the conditions are not made for him. He can't play
    swinging ball - but bouncing ball he is the King.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:33  

  • Which just brings home the point whether this aussie batting ever really performed against a top class attack?

    By Blogger Morientez, at 07:38  

  • Is Clarke the luckiest batter in the series..? he has had more catches dropped than anyone elase IRR. Clarke the luckiest, Martyn the unluckiest - more bad decisions and excellent catch taken off him.

    Not sure about the bowling dept - Jones and Hoggard should top the list, closely followed by McGrath. Warne could have been the luckiest bowler of all - not to say he does not deserver it (some outstanding catches taken in his bowling)

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 07:38  

  • And by top class I exclude:

    Caddick,gough .. they were just cannon fodder..

    cant remember them being that comfy against the pakis when gilchrist made hsi debut. saqlain and wasim made them cringe.. the saving grace for the aussies in that series was the woeful paki batting

    By Blogger Morientez, at 07:39  

  • morie: it's not just the Oz - NO team performs well against a top class attack. they all prefer to face mediocre bowling and score runs.
    If you notice, in Aus earlier this year, they stuggled against Pakistan
    as long as Akhtar was fit and not tired. As soon as Akhtar was done, OZ were able to spread the wings.

    It's the quality of bowlers that determines who wins the game.
    I'm sure Lara would agree to it - remember what he said about
    Eng? plan A is Harmison, not Strauss or Vaughan or someother batter.

    The England batters will do much worse than aussies against
    the current Eng bowlers.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:01  

  • G.Jones drops another off Hoggard and again its Clarke who gets the let-off.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:15  

  • yes, another count for Clarke.
    thank god, LBWs don't need a catcher.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:24  

  • should Eng try to finish off the tail.. or just cut off runs?
    the second option might server them better.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:27  

  • Warne gone..Flintoff gets a 5-fer to his name.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:29  

  • i think aus shud declare now..

    By Blogger worma, at 08:31  

  • strategy for Eng: don't take wickets; cut off runs
    for Oz: hit out

    well,, they are doing the reverse

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:35  

  • Eng trying to takckets..Oz blocking.
    i guess on the field conditions might be different.

    at 263-1, who would have thought Eng might take a first innings lead!!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:37  

  • Brett Lee will be a major force in the second innings.. if eng bat in bad light

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:39  

  • on the money! who would have thought eng take a first innings lead...
    what a major turn of events...
    but will it help eng...not very likely...

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:44  

  • Nayan Mongia is definitely better than Hayden (Im talking about this innings). Hayden has screwed it all for Australia....

    Worma, I dont agree with your opinion regarding Hayden, his innings was an absolute disaster, didnt serve any purpose...

    By Blogger Yule, at 08:48  

  • England will definitely walk off, if there is any oppourtunity for them to appeal for the bad light.

    ..

    By Blogger Yule, at 08:50  

  • yule - cut off Hayden's 138 from Australia score and see where they would have stood then. Hayden did what he was intended to do...hold on end up while the others scored...it worked yesterday and Australia were in a good position to take the lead. But today Flintoff & Hoggard turned it around with some helpful conditions but mainly good bowling.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 08:51  

  • how is the light? looks pretty dark... light meter is not out yet???

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 08:56  

  • clannzu,

    what they have lost is time, even if u cutt off those 138, it wudnt have made a difference, the problem now is England walking off because of badlight, which they will surel do...

    By Blogger Yule, at 08:57  

  • dark clouds coming in... light meter!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:03  

  • Light meter just comes out...and the umpires think its good enough for now.
    yule - That problem was not supposed to be in consideration today because Australia were thinking of batting till Tea and maybe a bit more and get a good lead.
    Tomorrow is supposed to be bright and so Australia could have gone all out for a win...they still can bowl England out but light will go against them now.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:07  

  • Umpires telling Ponting that Lee can't bowl in this light so he turns to Warne.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:10  

  • Warne has to bowl early - will suit Oz just fine!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:12  

  • on the money !

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:12  

  • And he strikes...Strauss gone.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:13  

  • goes first ball?:??

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:14  

  • guess not.. but i'm counting balls

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:15  

  • Woohooo...Eng walks off. :-]

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:22  

  • too dark out there.. they walk off.
    they should have been offered at the start.. Strauss a bit unlucky.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:23  

  • rain likely? where is wahi today? he must have gotten the ticket to the match

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:25  

  • eng treated unfairly... they should have been offered light.. instead they force Warne... Eng would prefer to Lee to Warne don't they?
    not the fairest calls made.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 09:28  

  • Boycott thinks since spinners are bowling its not fair to offer the light to the batsmen. As there is no physical danger to the batsmen.

    Simon Hughes asking Rudi Koertzen about the decision and he said that they took a reading and decided spinners needed to bowl and then once we think that its getting unfair with the spinners bowling as well then we offer the light.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:32  

  • Very interesting discussion about the bad light law.
    Basically the law states that if the umpires feel the safety of the players or umpire is at risk due to ground, weather or other conditions then they should suspend play.
    Earlier the rule had "physical danger" which has now been taken out which might suggest that if its difficult to pick the ball...the umpires can call off play.
    However the law still says that the "risk of safety" should be the criteria and with spinners bowling there is no physical danger.
    Even Atherton, Boycott & Mark Nicholas think its a wrong call by the umpires to call off play when spinners are bowling. Only reason is that they are being consistent since Australia were offered the light when Giles & Flintoff were bowling.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 09:46  

  • Players back on...and Warne bowls the first over. Glen McGrath now bowling from the other end.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 10:14  

  • Two loseners from McGrath and Vaughan dispatches them to the boundary. He's not getting the swing Hoggard & Flintoff were getting in similar conditions. Probably still not at his best.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 10:17  

  • Where is everybody ?
    I'm talking to myself here...Warne looking very dangerous.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 10:21  

  • clannzu, me around. Just got too engrossed in the Warne show :)

    By Blogger worma, at 10:29  

  • how many overs left in the day?

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:29  

  • tiger 50+ ovrs...or till 7pm whichever is earlier...but bad light looks likely to come before

    By Blogger worma, at 10:31  

  • clan: I don't think Warne is looking dangerous - ball has even bounce..
    of course he always gets big turn.
    it must be the pressue or lack of skill to play good spin.
    remember - 1st innings most wickets were reckless shots..
    Strauss anyways has problems facing spin all the time.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 10:34  

  • and the forcast for tommorow looks very good

    By Blogger Tiger, at 10:36  

  • I feel they are playing Warne comfortably right now.. not looking tentative at all. have to wait and see if produces any majic ball

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 10:36  

  • I have a feeling Michael Clarke will pick a wicket.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 10:37  

  • doesnt seem to be putting too much revvs on the ball

    By Blogger worma, at 10:40  

  • clan: i felt the same - they are going for strokes.. Tresco in particular.. but he always looks to score

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 10:40  

  • England probably thinking if Clarke goes for runs..all the pressure Warne build up is negated and Ponting has to make another change.

    By Blogger ClannZú, at 10:42  

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    By Blogger Tiger, at 11:07  

  • http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/218758.html

    Chappell sees improvement..

    By Blogger Tiger, at 11:14  

  • So the rain which finally threatened this series comes at the perfect time for England. It almost seems like a script written up above. And this is a huge change in world order now. And now England will have the pressure of being the unofficial no 1 (I'm not sure winning this series put's them above the Aussies in the ICC rankings). This is a refreshing change, though I hope this one lasts long. I do believe the Indian team has a chance to beat the Poms when they come around in 2006. And that will be a huge morale booster if that happens.

    By Blogger Ashwin Ramachandran, at 13:04  

  • Guys, thoughts on who has the edge going into the last day? Some thing tells me that this may be going all the way to the wire. May well cause a few heart-attacks if there is another ripping, nail-biting climax.

    By Blogger anandan, at 15:28  

  • England has been relentless with its bowling. Flintoff bowled some 18 overs in a row. They have variety, and the ability to restrict runs. They can gain momentum very quickly and take advantage of good bowling conditions. English batsmen have survived two champion bowlers (McGrath & Warne) and an inform Lee. They have set up games in the first innings. They can bat well in the second innings (in previous tests, England has won due to this factor) but that has not happened against Australia.

    India has many strengths. Its top order is world class. Gambhir is looking very good. Lower order can score runs. Indian bowlers have experience, can exploit helpful conditions and will be in good physical shape. India should be ruthless with it's inconsistent and over-rated middle order (5/ 6). Kaif and Yuvraj may not be the ideal but alteast they have a sense of prospective.

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 15:33  

  • Well, Barring a miracle tommorrow, The English have the Ashes in their pocket.

    By Blogger Rishi Gajria, at 15:59  

  • I am not sure that the English batsmen are comfortable with quality spin bowling at all. Harbhajan and Anil Kumble should have no trouble handling the likes of Vaughn and Strauss. The Indian pitches hopefully will be overwhelmingly favouring spin bowling. On the other hand, the performances of the 4 English fast bowlers are unlikely to be replicated in India. In short, India should easily beat the poms when they come over. Rahul Dravid and Harbhajan for joint man-of-the-series.

    By Blogger Miyazaki, at 15:59  

  • Anandan, there is really no point sweating over a done deal! If it becomes a nail-bitter (with England emerging with a well deserved series victory), that will just add to the charms of the series. It would add to the sales of DVDs and become a modern classic!!

    By Blogger IssaicN, at 16:08  

  • Is there an India A team like several other criket playing countreis have? If such a team exists,where can I find there itinerary?

    By Blogger Bala, at 18:01  

  • There is India A team that go on regular tours and host other A teams.
    The current itineray is either not published or there is none at the moment.
    The recent past was at Zim and hoste England A whre Pietersen and Jones toured:

    http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2004/IND-A_IN_ZIM/

    http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2003-04/SL-A_IN_IND/

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 18:21  

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