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Friday, September 16, 2005

It's in the air...

Yep, the flavour of the time seems to be interview. So here's one, which may not be there on any site yet. One of the regulars on the blog, neelan, has apparently translated the whole tv chat of Greg Chappel with Harsha and Ravi. I'm highlighting some parts I thought were important in current context.

Neelan, thanks again mate, great work.

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This is what Chappel had to say abt the match, controversy in a discussion at the end of the match with Harsha, Sunny and Shastri

Harsha : Irfan Pathan, the man of the match, has a pretty good game isnt it?

GC:Yes its a very good all round performance, He's worked very hard on all aspects of his game, fielding, batting as well as bowling. He is swinging the new ball well and he bowled a good length in this game, he felt he was little short on the first day, the second morning and the last evening, I thought he bowled pretty well

Ravi: Greg, good performance by India to win this game, but how do you take it forward to Harare? Do you want certain things to improve even more when you go into Harare?

GC: Yes Ravi, we have just got to keep working on those process, have to stop worrying about outcomes, you get ahead of yourself or you start falling behind yourself thinking abt how things could have been better, and I think if we can continue to get our process right, bowl the ball in the right areas, put pressure on the opposition both with the ball and in the field and put pressure on the opposition by scoring runs and running well between the wickets, these are things we are judging ourselves at the moment and we need to keep improving in those areas. Zimbabwe is an young team an inexperienced team, we will get more pressure than they were able to put on us from other teams, so we need to keep developing those process

Harsha: And as well Greg as I suspect get rid of the irritants that can sometimes come in the way of process, that seems to the process is confined to what happens in the team meetings and on what happens on the ground, Sometimes they can be irritants to the process and we need to debug it as quickly as possible

GC: Yeah, there are some things that you cant control obviously Harsha, what things are being said outside in the media by supporters whatever, we cant worry about that, we have to concentrate and focus on what we are doing and we are attempting to do that and hopefully get better at it.

Harsha: Well you have never played in India Greg, but I guess the process of understanding India is well under way, having been a month and a half into this job and as you know we Indias are very passionate cricket followers and want to know everything about the side, Is there is a little reassurance that you want to give to this Indian side that look there is a lot happening there in the media, but this Indian side will continue to play the kind of cricket you wanted them to play?

GC: Well thats what we can do, and thats what we want to do, Obviously we are happy that so many people follow the Indian team so closely but from time to time it can be intrusive if we let it and its important that we focus on what we are doing and whatever happens outside the group we cant control and we cant spend too much time worrying about, we just got make sure that we keep doing what we do as well as possible

Harsha: Was it a bother though, the fact that somuch attention is devoted to things that happened off the field than on the field?

GC, Oh not really, I have been thru all this stuff before Harsha, always going to be something bubbling around the place, once it gets a bit of oxygen it can take off and be blown out of all proportions, we cant worry about these things like that and get involved in it, we have to keep focusing on what we are doing.

Harsha: And looking ahead to Harare, I know historical stats dont have too much meaning but India has never won a test match, infact lost two

GC: Thankyou verymuch for reminding this. Obviously again we cant control what happened in the past and all we can do is look forward to whats coming up next week and prepare ourselves as well as possible, I have been very happy with the way the guys have performed, training sessions have been very good, very enthusiastic, the support staff have done a fantastic job, all in all we are doing as much as possible what we can do at the moment and we just got to keep winning, get into a habit of winning, it takes a lot of pressure off in lot of areas

Harsha: There are a couple of aspects a lot of people in India would be focussing on in the next 3 or 4 days, is how this team get its act together because there has been a few things said in recent times by couple of lead batsmen and obviously thats not going to help matters, whats the team going to do to get everyone together, maybe just say look our job is to play cricket

GC: Well yeah we have talked about those issues and I mean as things come up from time to time, people get frustrated, say things that perhaps they dont really mean or as important as they are made out to be, again its a matter of focussing on the process and if we can continue to have success, I think lot of these other issues just fade away

Ravi: Greg, what time you playing golf with Sourav tomorrow

GC: Probably in the afternoon sometime I would think

Harsha: Did you have a long chat with him, because the way he played, bcause lot of us here have watched Sourav Ganguly bat for the last 9 years now, and hardly ever seen this kind of batting from him, grafting out 6 hrs to score a hundred, was that something you have talked about this kind of innings as well together

GC: We have talked about a whole range of issues, including batting, captaincy and all sorts of things and we continue to talk about those things but we got to understand that Sourav was under lot of pressure and obviously he also wanted to put that pressure behind him, he worked very hard to get that hundred, I would rather look at the positives and the result of the game than get involved in anything else

Harsha: One other thing we saw this morning is we havent seen too much of when Harbhajan got his 200th wicket is he bowled a lot more with fizz, that he bowled a lot more round the wicket , was it something you were experimenting with?

GC: Yes we worked on those issues with Harbhajan, looking at different angles, talking to him about different angles and different batsmen and different ways to bowl, particularly when conditions arent in favor, when ball spinning a lot sometimes its good to change the angles, Yeah he is had a bit of pressure on him as well, getting the 200th wicket I think, took the pressure off a bit, I thought he bowled pretty well this morning, So I mean its a matter of confidence, continue to take wickets, if he can do that, I am sure his bowling will only get better and better

Harsha: Ravi has talked about a round of Golf, Arun lal was here and he said you might go bungee jumping with Sourav together

GC : Well he is on his own there, I am afraid bungee is not my go

Harsha: Thankyou very much Greg for taking time off and congratulations on your first test win

GC: Thankyou very much

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120 Comments:

  • Worma - I think everyone has blown this out of proprtion.... I hope you did not mean to do that with your emphasis on some stuff because it is unfair

    By Blogger Amit, at 12:08  

  • amit....no mate..my emphasis, as I explained in the post, was to highlight that bit which is relevant in the current context (of game, of controversy, of the whole storm moving around)....and that means, IMO, the rest of the stuff is about general cricketing talk....not specifically about immediate situation (like improvement, processes etc etc)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:11  

  • I think he meant Lax and ganguly....they said some things out of frustration of struggle and pressure...and also that they werent supposed to be as big statements as they were made out to be

    By Blogger worma, at 12:24  

  • mayur...I think if GC wanted SG to focus on batting only, then its not huge. For all we know, SG may go off as captain, and play as a batsman only, after this tour...lets wait and watch..there are hints of that already.

    So its huge only if GC meant that SG should leave this team as he is not deserving a place.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:33  

  • http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?content_id=54791

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 12:38  

  • jiet..LOL..I thought harsha wanted it to mean something :)...dont have a clue on this ;-)....but I highlighted as it just shows that guys are chilling out...not just sulking in the room...

    By Blogger worma, at 12:44  

  • mayur...sure.....no one shud take this on face value....ofcourse there has been an argument...and GC did not have to take a question on that directly.....but what he was trying to say was that the whole team is moving on (he indirectly did acknowledge that there are things have been said, but probably are not as big as being made out to be)..anyway...I take this interview to judge to subtle undertones on whats happening in the background...now surely however diplomatic GC may be, he will NOT go out with SG on golf trip...just to show to the world that things are ok. What do you think?

    By Blogger worma, at 12:48  

  • >>>>>Worma : For all we know, SG may go off as captain, and play as a batsman only, after this tour...lets wait and watch..there are hints of that already<<<<<

    Worma, If Gangs isn't good enough as a captain, he isn't good enough as a player either. If he is sacked as a captain then he should be dropped from the team as well.

    That Said, I am really dissapointed at Greg's call. You dont ask your captain to drop himself that too before a test match. That's ridiculous.

    By Blogger The Random Rambler, at 12:50  

  • oracle guy...am not getting into this one again mate ;)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:00  

  • worma,

    I am fed up of these Indian journos who cook up these stories everyday. They used to do the same even when India was winning comfortably. SG has been the whipping boy for them from eternity and I dont know why. Even when India was winning consistently, some journalists just could not digest that. So, it does not come to me as a surprise that even when he hits a century, focus is entirley on him for his off the field acts. The artciles by Dilip and Vasu on Cricinfo smelled conspiracy. I just feel that there is something going on there. People are coming with views which are just based on whether they like some individuals or not.

    Indian express has this very poor writer called Harish. He was one of the many who started all this. In fact, indiatimes is no long behid. These days you see two entirely opposite views floating in TOI. One day you read Pro Gang comments and one day Anti Gang. This is all getting muddled and our destructive media is coming to the fore yet again.

    Regarding this controversy I would say that both GC and SG have made huge political mistakes. GC did not have any right to ask his captain to step down as this is not his business but that of selectors. If he had to air his views then he should have told selectors in the selection meetings (which he tries to evade..). He has to utilize whatever resources are given to him... SG would have done better by being quiite atleast for this series and then probably discuss the matter with board or coming out in public. To say something like this in the mioddle of a match is just not good for Indian cricket..

    Anyways salute Indian media for doing this time and again..u thrive on hype only and little substance..

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 13:12  

  • ravi, I agree...I can openly debate on many of the points made recently by Dileep and Anand, and even S Rajesh...in their recent articles about India (not just SG, whole team related articles also)...but then..as someone said yesterday...whats the point...read them...move on :)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:23  

  • Mayur,

    The problem is that Cricinfo was considered to be the best source of cricket stories, auhentic and genuine, but these guys have also started to express their personal prefernces. It is really painful for so many cricket fans who just want some good cricket news and articles. But they have been deprived of good journalism for ages now. It is pathetic that we still have to rely on indiatimes, Indian express, even rediff and so many websites in which the journos are always on a witch hunt. These are the same people who make gods or devils out of individuals as if cricket was not a game. Not even that, they never come with good ideas, positive comments, always focussing on individuals or cooking something out of nothing ..Cricinfo was a fresh ray of hope but even they seem to have been commercialized..Their coverage of Ashes was not adequate too and just had too much of hype and hoopla...

    oh, only if we had more prems..

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 13:38  

  • mayur...not necessarily....they do try to make things seem diff than they are....e.g. Vasu's articles makes it seem like SG went to town singing about his removal as soon as he hit the ton....while actually what happened was that he answered it in the context of a question...and that too on repeated coercion (read my comment above on this paragraph in Vasu's report)...

    By Blogger worma, at 13:50  

  • shri....actually its not all the writers.....for example...vaidhyanathan was pretty balanced in his opinions of the same match. Actually I dont mind unbalanced opinions also (from Vasu, or Premchandran etc)...what I mind is trying to fool people into picturising something that didnt happen. E.g. Vasu says 'the timing of gangulys statement was wrong....why did he do it after the century..why not before the game' !!!....now reading this..one would seem to think that ganguly called up a conf after his century to make the statement...while we know what really happened.

    What did Vasu expect...that SG would go to harsha before the match...and make him ask the 'right' question ? Duhh....these kind of statments come on post day interview...like Lax previous day...when journalists catch up the century maker etc..(or tv team invites them)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:56  

  • mayur, and you are missing mine :)...what I mean is that I am ok with biased opinions....what I'm not ok with is to use your power of opinions to make the 'facts' look different.....use it to paint a picture that did not exist

    By Blogger worma, at 13:57  

  • in fact, i wanted to raise this issue too...what the heck these fanatics think...will they change our way of living...do they want us to go back to centureis ago...we always say that we are a democratic nation..if this is democracy then I am not to take it...how long these people will continue to harass emerging muslims who are trying to remove the preconceived notions lot of indians have abt their community...now sania mirza not only have to take on sharapovas and serena williamss but on these 'terrorists' as well...and what is our highly secular government doing...sorry friends it is sligfhtly off topic but really some body has to come up and shut these guys or else we would be going 2 steps back every time we try to move forward...youngeters like sania mirza are our hopes..let them prevail..

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 14:02  

  • suraj,even I dont think cricinfo as an organisation is biased. And even Dileep, Vasu etc also do good pieces. Just that they have certain personal biases, which is also understandable. But they shouldnt use their writing to misguide the fact-seeking reader. That is my only complaint. I wont mind Vasu doing a whole article on why SG should retire (as I didnt mind the article from harsha on same issue)....because its clear what he wants to say(whether I agree or not) and also clear what facts and messages he is using to put across his argument. Thats all I need :)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:07  

  • Abt the Sania issue, there's only one solution to that. Newspapers should just ignore those useless idiots. Hopefully, Sania Mirza will continue to wear what is best for her tennis than what suits a bunch of idiots who have no place in India. She's a kid and now, she has to deal with extremism just because she plays good tennis.

    Credit to GC for not giving away anything inspite of Harsha Bhogle and Shastri repeatedly trying to get him going with comments of golf and bungee-jumping. WIsh SG and VVS also showed the same restraint...

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:13  

  • exactly worma, the fact that every single report from dilip and vasu tehse days has something to say for SG smells conspiracy for me..are we playing a team game here...for long it has been potrayed that he is the only man responsible for india's debacles off late (though I suspect if it is a debacle esp in test cricket)..they seem to convey that if he is gone the long remaining problems of Indian cricket will be gone...well Indian cricket has been poor at a lot of times and SG was not then and there...they just like to get rid of him as if he is some kind of parasite for Indian cricket..this is all partiality...I can bet that removing him or anybody just would not solve any problems...journos should come with some positive comments ..if they have some brains, better put it in some better analysis

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 14:15  

  • think worma is in Finland, right? There are a few guys in UK too.

    I think cricktip is from Canada, we should probably compile a list here, with location and whatever necessary.

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:16  

  • mayur...if SG was asked before the match, presumably by GC, to relinquish captaincy....then when was the first time he got question about captaincy? not before that harsha interview right?...also...did he just go and announce that statment to harsha ? from what I heard, it was a lot og nagging from harsha...isnt it? Did you see him being questioned that much about the captaincy issue before the harsha interview? And especially in this series anytime?

    By Blogger worma, at 14:17  

  • shri, yeah as toney said, I'm based out of Finland....but still game for any party ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:18  

  • Mayur, so for all practical (read partying) purposes, you are in the tri-state area

    By Blogger Toney, at 14:21  

  • and ravi....I've been ponting out the anti-India bias in some of these articles for quite some time on this blog. I can even do a post...with specific examples and point by point analysi and I bet most of you would see the personal bias coming out in 'fact-reporting' of some of these journalists

    By Blogger worma, at 14:21  

  • mayur...i agree with worma that it was not that SG intended to come up with the comment after the century..it would be like this..first somebody leaked the story to ESPN STAR (may be our senior bowler)...SG is invited by HB, of course he would go as many people do after they perform well..HB coerces him on the captaincy issue (he knew everything?)...Ganguly fresh from a century would be a bit emotional abt everything and would be justified in thinking that he might have done a bit to salvage his pride....after a lot of coercion, he says what he might have avoided (and we all know he talks with passion)..and thus all of this...

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 14:21  

  • worma..did u read the articles by this guy Harish on IE..he was on the verge of being ridiculous after Ind-Pak series...i have never seen this kind of low jornalism on cricket...thankfully I am in US now, far from those TV channels like AT and NDTV...I wonder what they would be doing now:)

    By Blogger Ravi Agrawal, at 14:25  

  • ravi, dont remember exactly about harish's articles...might have read...if you have any links pass on (any time..).. and yeah dude....NDTV is the biggest pain ;-)....Sonali Chandar, their sports editor...probably knows even less than Mandira Bedi about cricket!...(and is not even half her looks ;)

    By Blogger worma, at 14:28  

  • chalo you guys discuss the US jargons....me not getting anything ;)...outta here...see u later...maybe some more posts before the next game...or else the next match then

    By Blogger worma, at 14:30  

  • hey, the BCCI AGM & elections are coming up:

    http://web.mid-day.com/sports/international/2005/september/118543.htm

    “Mr Pawar is going to contest the election and we are confident that he will win,” former BCCI president Raj Singh Dungarpur told Mid Day on telephone from Udaipur.

    “He’s doing his homework, contacting people and getting the response. We are already assured of 17 votes out of 30, and with a little bit of luck we will be having 18 in a week’s time,” revealed Dungarpur.

    The last BCCI elections, held at Kolkata in September 2004, turned out to be an acrimonious affair with Mahendra defeating Pawar, thanks to Dalmiya’s casting vote. . .

    "Dungarpur dismissed talks about Punjab Cricket Association president Inderjit Singh Bindra having switched over to the Dalmiya camp: “It’s a kind of a joke,” retorted Dungarpur.

    “He’s only joined the marketing committee for the sake of Indian cricket because the BCCI had lost out nearly 300 crore rupees because of the TV rights fiasco."

    what TV rights fiasco?

    WRT to this take a look at this old (Mar 2005) Amit Varma article called "Bindra's Wishlist"

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/145891.html

    `Bindra's Wishlist: Two - The BCCI should start a TV Channel
    "India is the hub of world cricket," says Bindra, "and we should exploit that. Why sell the TV rights if we can exploit them ourselves? We should start a TV channel. And I have a blueprint for how it would run.

    "First, we would show 100 days of international cricket in India. . .

    "That's 100 days of international cricket," I say. "What about the rest of the year?" And that takes us to the next two points on Bindra's wishlist.

    Bindra's Wishlist: Three - Promote domestic cricket
    "It is not fair," says Bindra, "that international cricketers make so much money when domestic cricketers get just a lakh a year. Now, why has Sachin become such a star? It is because his face is seen on TV all the time. Before the days of television, great players did not make so much money. Television makes the difference, and that is why we need to promote domestic cricket, to get local cricketers on TV.

    "I find it ridiculous that people in India watch US college basketball on TV - college basketball, mind you - and don't watch the Ranji Trophy final."

    Bindra's Wishlist: Four - Start an international league
    "We should start a league like the European soccer leagues," says Bindra. "Build it around cities or states, and a fierce local following will develop. Invite international players. With the audiences in India, it can reach the level of European soccer.

    "It can be bigger than international cricket. Bindra says that Lalit Modi, who currently runs cricket in Rajasthan, made a proposal just like this recently, planning to get scores of international cricketers at Rs 1 crore each. The feasability of investing that kind of money was arrived at after talks with a certain TV channel. All the loose ends were tied up, but the BCCI vetoed his idea. "Vested interests again," says Bindra."'

    If we're lucky, something very good could be happening for Indian cricket in the next two weeks (and I don't mean Ganguly's sacking;). Let's hope so.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 16:18  

  • mayur:

    Just like cricket coaches spend a lot of time studying opposotion, probably tennis coaches do the same. My guess is that last year Sania was new on top international circuit, she was an unknown entiy. Now that she has played top seeded players, opposition coaches are analyzing her game, finding her weaknesses and telling their players to exploit them.

    What surprises is the fact that she has suddenly started making a lot of "unforced" errors. If she can bring down her unforced errors and double-faults, she will definetly improve.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 16:22  

  • ruchir,
    To make very few unforced errors and yet have a lot of winners is impossible unless you are Federer.
    Doesnt she have a full time coach yet? ven Federer's got one now, I think..

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:26  

  • toney:

    Agreed. But look at it this way. Mostly Sania makes errors when she tries to hit cute shots (that other highly seeded players hit successfully). She can do 2 things here. One, she reduces the number of cute (risky) shots she tries and tries to get the ball across and fall inside the court. Two, she does tremendous amount of practice on her risky shots so that she can get them right more often.

    Now, she is not goning to improve her accuracy immediately. So, I guess, her best option is to cut her risky shots until she perfects them and then start hitting them. Probably, her coach would have already thought so or maybe he will have some other options.

    This thing is true in cricket too. Remember SRT cut all his risky shots in AUS and scored 300 notout in AUS!!! Maybe, just maybe, same thing would work in tennis too.....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 16:35  

  • mayur,
    Watching Federer in those matches, I felt that he was having only a marginally bad day and suddenly people started saying that he's lost his touch :). Even his round of 16, quarters (which were strt set victories) were received with that feeling that he was not in great form. I guess thats the kind of standards he's setting more than anything else.
    Andy Roddick's first round exit was a shocker, even if I am no fan of him. And I lost all my love for Agassi after Paes lost to him in that semifinal of the Atlanta Olympics :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:37  

  • ruchir, Sania is not as fit as some of the rest. I dont think she has it in her (yet) to win a slugfest of that sort. Look at Sharapova, she's 18-19 too, yet her game's already so good. I think Sania's main aim should be to be a fitter player. Else, she would have to continue to go for her shots rather than try a more safe game.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:40  

  • I wonder how much Sania must be making from endorsements. I am sure she can afford a full time coach, it seems strange that her mgment group disapproved the costs of her previous coach. And I think it is impossible to do well consistently in tennis without a ful time coach. See how the Williams sisters played with her father as coach. And then, a couple of weaknesses crept into their game.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:44  

  • mayur, true abt Federer being above the rest now. In fact, I remember, I was watching this at a friend's house and every single other person wanted Agassi to win, it being posisbly his last GSlam finals blah blah...
    And the way Federe lifted his game was unbelievable. Till then, Agassi, who seemed to be paying the best tennis of his life seemed to have afair chance. Once Federer became Federer, Agassi stood no chance.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:46  

  • mayur:

    Agree that she wins her games thru Winners, but so does most players, right? :-)

    toney:

    Yes, she need to be fitter. But until she gets her fitness up there, she should not keep loosing because of her risky shots.

    Take a look at this stat from usopen.org:

    Sania vs Sharapova (sania lost)
    unf errors: 23 / 14
    dbl faults: 6 / 1
    winners: 10 / 16

    Sania vs Bartoli (sania won)
    unf errors: 14 / 49
    dbl faults: 4 / 7
    winners: 45 / 3

    Sania's winners reduced dramaticaly when her "unforced" errors increased. If she keep playing risky game, she will be loosing more and her ranking will go down quickly. In my opinion, her safest bet would be to play a safe game, keep her ranking around what it is and raise her fitness and accuracy.

    Once she does that she should break into top 20 quickly.... I hope...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 16:47  

  • that rediff crackpot seems to be Sidhu in disguise. The use of Cheshire cat, dead as a dodo...

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:52  

  • I could only find US open stats quickly. Other tournaments can be researched too. I guess then we will surely have a better insight into her game....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 16:56  

  • Mayur said...
    toney???? what r u talking about?


    Mayur, tombaan posted a link on SG by a reader. I was referring to that.

    By Blogger Toney, at 16:59  

  • toney:

    Arvind Lavakare is an old Rediff columnist. Once he had a kind of bet with Prem. He said that he was going to write and Article on SRT making him look very bad and blowing up his myth. Prem had said that go ahead and do that. After you I will do an article in reply that will demolish point you will raise.

    Both did their articles. Maybe, when Prem comes back he can post links to those articles and we can read them again....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 17:03  

  • Ruchir, that seems like fun. Doesnt seem like he's the most straightforward person going around, though

    By Blogger Toney, at 17:09  

  • I wonder why Rediff continues to post the opinions of such nut-cases, even if they come under "reader's opinions".

    By Blogger Toney, at 17:10  

  • mr. v:

    Exactly. :-)

    That was Prem's reply and he has link to original article by Lavakare in it. Very interesting to read... :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 17:12  

  • I dont understand this guy Arvind's article on SRT either. And while Prem refuted almost everyone of his stupid statistical pointers, I just ask Prem one questions, "Why bother?"

    By Blogger Toney, at 17:38  

  • rajg, interesting article. I'd be very surprised if Chappell really said "it's him or me", though. It sounds like something a reporter would make up. If we had a strong domestic system which put all the contenders through a good trial before the beginning of each international season, then we would know which players were better than whom. We wouldn't have to guess.

    I'm not sure which is the right call, but I think dropping Ganguly as a player is much more iffy than it seems on paper. I'd actually think about replacing gambhir with kaif and keeping ganguly at number six. So the batting order would be: kaif, sehwag, dravid, laxman, srt, ganguly. In place of SRT, substitute Yuvraj or gambhir or whoever.

    I think the bowling is more of a concern than the batting, because pathan, nehra and khan are so inconsistent. Sometimes very, very good and sometimes mediocre. The top 4 pace bowlers in the country are those 3 + balaji. I really liked Agarkar in the 99 world cup but I don't much like this new trundling agarkar that we've seen lately. RP Singh I also was not impressed with. Anyone know anything about good pace bowlers outside of the front 4? I've read some good things about Gagandeep Singh. Any theories on why the three left-armers are so inconsistent? And Balaji has been a steady performer, but does he have the potential to grow into something more?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 18:14  

  • I see one thing. It is not just this blog that is discussing Ganguly extensively. He is the flavor of the moment everywhere!!! :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 18:14  

  • Guys,

    Arvind Lavakare is a political analyst for Rediff. Once in a blue moon he writes on sports. So we can cut him some slack. He is just giving his piece of opinion like we are doing here.

    Not that I am a big fan of his, but his article is written more in jest than in seriousness. If you like it, enjoy; if you don't, pass it.... :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 22:17  

  • check this out guys:
    http://cricket.indiatimes.com/quickies/1233043.cms

    seems like there is an L P Sahi working for Indiatimes..
    this is really funny
    :)

    By Blogger Shyam Sankar, at 00:11  

  • dark night, thanks for all the links.

    shyam, it was melodramatic, and the pictures were classic, but Sahi's younger brother makes a good point here:

    "If [Chappell] believes by making players insecure he will bring out the best in them he is dead wrong. Team India has flourished because each player understands his roles whether it is Tendulkar or a JP Yadav. Chappell has clearly destabilized the team by making players insecure. . .Bob Woolmer might be the most decorated coach in world cricket right now but he doesn't mess around with team selection or come in the way of Haq and his team"

    I think this is especially true in one-dayers. In the best one-day team, the batsmen don't bother with formally getting set. They try to score from the first ball, at least from nudges and pushes. But if you're insecure about your place in the team, you can't risk the one or two failures that this aggresive approach requires.

    Also, on the one-day selection, I think it's fair enough that laxman is dropped in favor of yuvraj and kaif, but it's simply madness that laxman is dropped for players like rao, raina, mongia, etc. Laxman is someone who can carry a team not just for 1 or 2 matches, but for weeks against the best bowlers in the world. Just think of the idiocy of having mongia face Mcgrath and co. in the world cup final, when we could have had laxman. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake in 2007.

    If you want big-time performances in high-pressure games, you have to get players who fit the stage and know what they're doing against highest-quality opposition, not just decent players who field pretty well and bowl a little bit of finger-spin on the side.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 01:56  

  • j, I think it's to soon to drop Ganguly. He was showing signs of recovering form in the final. I think if he can recover enough to play pace competently, he still has a role in the team as the destroyer of the opposing team's spin bowlers. I think he should be dropped as captain and replaced with Dravid, though. He's just not an automatic selection anymore, and him being captain is limiting the team's options for the batting order.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 02:11  

  • @roublen, I agree entirely

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 04:20  

  • http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=78289
    The only article out there with some positive thoughts..
    Harsha - "I interviewed both of them live and I must admit that neither seemed to be gunning for each other. Ganguly was almost reluctant to talk about it and Chappell said he did not want to provide more oxygen to the situation. In public, both seemed to have handled it quite well. Now both parties need to approach the issue with maturity and with a clear vision; both possess it and have it in them to put India first. The rapprochement, like justice, has to be seen to happen and it needs to be swift, over the next couple of days. Otherwise things might fester and people could draw their own conclusions; either event could only fan the fire."

    By Blogger Pavan, at 07:26  

  • vishnupavan, Harsha is surely trying his best to bring the right perspective...maybe he has a slight sense of guilt also (having been the starting point of the whole thing).

    But more important is this bit in his article That is a hole that needs to be breached as well for the coach should be able to speak in private about his key players to those that take decisions without having that assessment communicated back to the players immediately. - What does he mean ? does he mean that the selectors, who were confided in by GC about dropping Lax after SL series, went back and told this to Lax. Probably one reason why Lax came to know about the negative vibes in the team?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:34  

  • worma:

    Look at Ganguly interview from Harsha's point of view, I think the circumstances leading him to interview Ganguly would have been something like this:

    1. Some team member overhears GC, SG, RD argument and tells is to Harsha. Now, I think, at this point in time this "leak" is a big big news for Harsha. SG being asked to step down!!! What should he do?

    2. Best option if to talk to SG about it because he is the affected party. There are 2 ways he can do it. Off-the-record in private OR on-the-record on TV. Right?

    3. If he does it private, it does not do anything. The news is so big that it needs to come out. I am sure you will agree with that. It should come out but only after it has been verified by either SG or GC. If it is verified in private, it will never come out because it is "private", there will be no proof of anyone confirming or denying it. If it is verified on TV it will be official.

    4. Bringing the news out on TV seems to be the safest way to Harsha so he thinks of interviewing SG. He does so. Now, it is upto Ganguly to decide what he wants to say. Right? Not just Harsha, any other journalist in his place would do the same thing. That is, talk to Ganguly and ask straight forward questions about this "rumour". Straight talk is the best way to qaush a rumour or verify it.

    5. Ganguly listens to the question asked. Now keep this in mind. Ganguly is not a teenage schoolboy who is being interrogated by Police. He is a 32 year old player who has been captain for 5 years. He is considered very shrewed. So, I don't think he would allow Harsha to coerce him into saying on single word. He is too shrewed and intelligent for that. If he is not then, I guess, he does not deserve to be India's captain!!

    6. So, Harsha asks him the question 4-5 times. Maybe because Harsha want the rumour to be setteled right there. Why leave it lingering on? If Ganguly did not want to bring the issue out or confirm it he would have repeated "no comments" again and again, like he is doing now when asked about who told him to step down. But he "finally" verifies the rumour.

    So you can not blame Harsha for forcing it out of Ganguly. After a little hesitation, Ganguly does speaks out on the issue. Harsha got a big big rumour and went about the right way to verify it so that either it is confirmed or it is killed in one stroke. Had he talked to Ganguly in private, the rumour would have lingered on for a long time till LP Sahi or someone else would have broken it in open the way Ganguly would have liked it to come out.

    In my opinion, Harsha did what any other journalist would have done. He confirmed a rumour straight from the concerned party. I don't see how else he would have treated the story. He also interviews GC and asks him question on the issue. So, it looks like he is trying to get everyone's views out so in the open. But, this is just my opinion of what might have happened... :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 11:26  

  • ruchir joshi. Absolutely you are right. I had heard the interview, Sourav was coming to talk to Harsha and Sunny after the press conference got over and I think by that time Harsha got the news that someone asked abt this stepping down from the captaincy in the press conference. So he directly asked him whether is that right for which Sourav was initially hesistant but told in a low voice, yes he was asked. Harsha asked some related questions and thats it. I really agree with your views on media's approach in asking questions. And Harsha did it perfectly without any malice in his mind. I really think these things are blown out of all proportions, there are some uneasiness in the team but those things should be sorted out within the team and that can be done only by straight honest talk. Regarding Gangulys place in the team, I think that report on rediff by Arvind tells the true and whole story, Sourav is no good for a long time now, hasnt improved in any of his cricketing aspects, and so lost most of his confidence in his captaincy. If you are selecting the best XI Sourav will not find a place. He should get back to domestic cricket improve his skills and then try to find his place on merit.

    By Blogger Neelan, at 12:06  

  • neelan:

    Thanks buddy. Feeling relieved that my thinking is on the right track, since you saw the interview....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 12:24  

  • ashvin:

    here is the link for the story you pointed to:

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/219486.html

    By Blogger Unknown, at 12:25  

  • ruchir, I agree with you too on the Harsha interview. I dont think Harsha has done something wrong as a journalist. The guilt I was referring to was what he must now be feeling more as a 'fan'...or a follower of the Indian team, knowing what he did (as a splendid journalistic effort) helped this whole cat get out of the bag....and maybe affecting the whole team, and also the individuals involved in a non-helpful way.

    And btw, that cricinfo story, well if its true then surely SG's gonna leave the captaincy after this series (didnt someone here tell us that in post match comments he said there's one more victory, the 49th, one go...?)

    By Blogger worma, at 12:42  

  • And here's what Ravi Shastri says on this "It's important to know in what context Chappell said so. He might have privately gone to him and said 'you are feeling the pressure and it would not be a bad idea to step down'.

    "Or, 'you feel your own personal batting form is not the greatest, you feel the responsibility is too much so you should step down'.

    "In what context he said it, nobody knows. You got to get the truth."


    Its from this article from Shukla in rediff, so carefully leave out the non-quotation parts ;)

    But IMO Shastri's questions are right, and I dont know if cricinfo report is correct or not. If SG was asked to leave his position from the team, then obviously it is a big issue for him (and for the team also)...and there's gotta be a 'resolution' of some kind or the other when they head back home. But if it was more of a captaincy question, as Shastri put it, then I still believe that the whole thing is not even half as big as being made out ot be.

    By Blogger worma, at 12:52  

  • ironic that it was ganguly who wanted greg chappell in the first place

    By Blogger Ruchi's, at 13:14  

  • ruchi yes, its quote ironic...but then he was instrumental in getting Wright also, and finally they fell off. So he should have known :)

    j: Yes it would have been perfect had SG kept his emotions in check...but thats the way its been going for him lately...and probably its an extension of the same emotionally charged personality that was celebrated by many Indian fans in better times.

    By Blogger worma, at 13:27  

  • If you ask someone for their "frank opinion" then you should be prepared for just that. From the article on Cricinfo it appears as if the "frank opinion" was asked for, not imposed upon. And upon hearing it, an option the asker had not imagined, was put forward and with that the dice had been rolled. The cleansing of the Augean stable has begun...

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 13:34  

  • worma:

    Point noted... :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 13:40  

  • jaunty...dunno about that cricinfo thing..again they've done a 'dialogue by dialogue' recontruction of the whole story...the gist may be same.....but who said what to whom...uhh..

    By Blogger worma, at 13:42  

  • worma,

    I am basing my above comment on what was written here:
    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/219486.html

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 13:43  

  • jaunty....I know that we are talking in reference to this new cricinfo take on the whole issue....and my comment was also in reference to this only...that the gist may be right...but the whole 'recontruction'...can be iffy..

    By Blogger worma, at 13:45  

  • worm, ok

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 13:47  

  • sorry, that should be "worma" :-)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 13:48  

  • no probs ;)

    By Blogger worma, at 13:53  

  • dadagiri LOL :-)..(about the food choice)...well for me its simple...take only the 'quotes' from Shukla's report...as I did above.

    By Blogger worma, at 14:19  

  • its good to note though how RD has behaved throughout this whole episode, with a lot of dignity and common sense, and it speaks volumes for the man...and what sort of skipper he would be.

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 14:42  

  • Prem...would eagerly wait for the insights you gettin for us :)...the variety of reports on this matter are making us fight for sanity :)

    By Blogger worma, at 15:11  

  • Prem...but if Ganguly leaked the goings-on of the captain-coach meeting to the media (or rather Harsha)...then does that mean that Harsha asking him that question on that interview was what ganguly had planned, and planted ? And why did Harsha comply on that ? Those who have watched the interview said that Ganguly was reluctant in answering that question (which he himself had leaked to Harsha!!)...you believe that level fo charade is possible?

    Oh btw, just to put things right, the sequence of events, as many of us know here, are that Harsha got an inside lead, and brought it up in his interview. That was the first time Ganguly mentioned all this.

    By Blogger worma, at 15:31  

  • Prem, is it likely that board politics is behind all this talk? Why else would GC say this before a match?

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 15:33  

  • Hey and btw, from your info it does seem that the whole issue was about captaincy, and not about Ganguly's position in the team as a player? Is that your understanding also Prem? Because some section of media is trying to potray it otherwise.

    By Blogger worma, at 15:34  

  • srik....I didnt read that article by anil till much later. I was relying on what many of our regulars here had disclosed, after watching the interview.

    By Blogger worma, at 15:38  

  • prem, if this is true - what did SG hope to achieve in the first place by saying this? the moral high ground? by scoring a hundred and that too against a side which is universally regarded as a club standard side and not fit for test cricket?

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 15:39  

  • worma, SG is known to be close to Dalmiya. if GC was making this 'suggestion', then why go public - rather than speak to Dalmiya? What did he hope to gain by going public?

    Could it be that SG wants GC out, 2 months into the season?

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 15:41  

  • dementor, cricinfo is late :)...this story was in express, and then later another on a 'detraction' by Sunil Joshi, that he was mistaken in claiming Sachin's return. Read here

    By Blogger worma, at 15:42  

  • arjun, thats what I still want to know, from Prem's information sources....and even later when things get clearer(if they do). Did SG really go public with this ???....If it was really that Harsha interview, then I dont see that as a planned move to go to public (although still wrong on part of SG, but much less).

    By Blogger worma, at 15:44  

  • Prem,

    Assuming your sources have the full insight into this issue...

    If this was a calculated gambit on the part of the captian, he obviously did not think it through, in spite of having more than a week to do so.

    If it was *one* of the suggestions put forward to him to deal with his batting owes, then the guy is obviously seeing knives where feathers do not exist. Sad since a Ganguly, fully rehabilitated after a return to form, is a definite asset to the team.

    Now he has put the Board and the selectors in a corner - it is either GC or SG, it appears. The guy still has a lot to offer to the country. This was near-sighted and foolish. Really foolish.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 15:46  

  • Prem...I mean charade in which Harsha was also involved ?? :)....nice story this one...but I kind of knew that these stories of 'senior helped us a lot ..' kind of stories are charade more often than not. And much of this understandig is thanks to the insights you give us! In the same vein, did you chance to catch the Bhaji interview on rediff...asked about help from former greats...he said that they mostly ignored him :))....guess he's gotta learn a few tricks from his (soon to be ex) captain

    By Blogger worma, at 15:48  

  • worma, i know that you support SG, but no matter how much pestering Harsha did, the fact IS that SG said that someone asked him to quit.

    He could have easily said something like " there is pressure on me due to my poor form and the team's results" or an even simpler " i would not like to comment right now". Hes been skipper for 5 years.

    Harsha or someone else, the provocation would always be there (and has been often in the past too). Its this time that SG has responded this way... so it does seem as if it was his intention.. more than a flustered reaction to Harsha's skilled and probing questioning...

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 15:50  

  • In a perverse way I am glad all this is happening during the Ind-Zim series. We should win the second Test anyway, so the results will not be affected, but we get this cleansing out of the system.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 15:53  

  • yep arjun, I agree with you on that, as I said just now. There was a mistake (whether intentional or not) on part of SG to give that statement in the interview. But its a biggg difference between his elaborate planning or the whole setup so that he can get to this question and give his prepared answer...and the situaiton where is was just one of the wrong response in a tv interview at a time when probably he didnt control himself as much as he should have.

    Thats what I'm trying to undertstand.(1) whether he set this whole thing up (2) whether the whole discussion between him and Chappel was about relinquishing captaincy to reduce pressure or was it about not deserving a place in the team as a player

    Because the answers to these would decide whether there is any scope for any possiblity of a return to any kind of workable understanding between SG and GC (even if its only as coach and player...not captain)

    By Blogger worma, at 15:56  

  • Prem,
    Thanks for that clarification. Sure, I am not basing anything or accepting anything thats written as gospel unless I actually see/read it from GC AND SG. And then, too, only if BOTH sides of the picture have been presented fully.

    For me the tragedy in this is that it appears inevitable that a change is going to happen at the higher echelons of the Indian team and it appears that it took this incident to precipitate it, rather than a straight up response to results obtained on the field of play.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 15:57  

  • Prem...as far as I understood, that Harsha interview was part of the post match analysis in studio...so probably it was live (??)....no chance of SG speaking off record I guess.....but anyways.....if you do chance to mail Harsha I think we all would eagerly wait the bit from that....I'm sure Harsha has the best ringside view of the whole affair, has the tips from the players who know him etc....and also, most importantly, does not have a personal axe to grind :)

    By Blogger worma, at 16:00  

  • In light of all that has been coming out since then, GC's interview on tv after the first Test was a model for how to deflect questions and turn the interview towards a neutral ground each time a tight question is asked.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 16:00  

  • akshay, my feeling is that the cleavage is deeper than that. A point of no return has been reached and an axe is going to fall. Just my opinion, thats all.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 16:04  

  • akshay...I have a feeling SG will resign from captaincy...especially if all that happens as you said. But yes, as you said, BCCI would probably try to take the path of least resistance.

    By Blogger worma, at 16:04  

  • worma, with all due respect, from what i have seen of SG, he is not going to be able to come back successfully as a player once he steps down as skipper.

    SG's career has had distinct phases: sparkling debut (1996), slightly rough patch(1997),golden period as batsman (esp in the one day format) - 1997-2001, good period as skipper interspersed with some good knocks (2001-2004), but the key point is that i feel bowlers worked him out from 2002 onwards, and his success has been intermittent, as a batsman. more a question of his willpower succeeding.

    now, if he steps down as skipper, what happens next? you expect him to come back as a batsman?

    the probability of that is < 20%. Even assuming it DOES happen, will his success be significantly greater than that of Yuvi, Kaif, JP, Rayudu, Dhoni... over a long enough period of time for it to be worth the risk... from the way i see it, mathematically and intuitively, it doesnt seem so...

    and i d like to point out that SG has not been any regular skipper. give credit to the man, his force of personality did make him unique, and his stepping down and playing under RD,SRT,VVS, is not the same as SRT under Azhar and SG. He built this side, and it wont be an easy set-up with him there but not as skipper. and given the events of the past year, with "negative vibes" and "different yardsticks", it seems even more unlikely.

    By Blogger Arjun Swarup, at 16:05  

  • Prem, and returning to that Bhajji story....its really sad, if thats how most of our seniors behave(sure they have their own problems, monitory or otherwise). And in the end, Bhajji and his kind of frank players are painted in the media as arrogant...and we often crib that why dont they take help from the experts etc...

    By Blogger worma, at 16:07  

  • prem,
    Nice. Insighful...and oddly, reading the part about using the media to "put" information out there is a bit like watching a sleaze flick. You are intrigued by it, but will not publicly admit to it!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 16:09  

  • prem, yes sure...there were ways of avoiding answering, as I have been saying above, that was a mistake on part of SG. But surely not comparable with the mistake of 'setting up the whole thing just at the right time..' or even with 'going to the public with this outburst against Chappel' as most of the reports on this matter are potraying.

    I think if it was part of a regular question on an interview, then sure SG did a mistake (due to emotional reasons, having struggled and got some runs...or whatever) but its still not bad enough to burn all the bridges between him and GC.

    Also, I dont think this whole issue between GC and SG is as grave, if GC's suggestion to SG was of only relinquishing captaincy and not his position in the team as a player.

    By Blogger worma, at 16:11  

  • arjun, maybe you are right...SG is finished as a player...but thats my whole point of disagreement with many of you (you would know, from my comments over the months, wont you :)....and IMO, I want to see more proof before I decide whether he is finished or not.

    But anyways, the chances he will get out there are not dependent on what you or me feel..so we'll have to wait and watch and see who's wishes come true

    By Blogger worma, at 16:15  

  • Prem..interesing that you brought up that nagpur episode....what was the exact reason for him avoiding that game?

    By Blogger worma, at 16:20  

  • Prem..but thats not the first time SG would have had to face quality bowling on good track...he's done it many times before(not always successfuly, but still)...so why opt out of this Nagpur thing?...Can there be a political reason (JD wanting to do one-upmanship with Pawar faction etc?)...

    ..anyways...back on the interview bit...sure it was wrong on part of SG, as dadagiri and me have been saying, to let it out in that answer (even if it was after incessant probing from Harsha)....but then...do you see that letting out of answer as equally bad as a well planned stage managed show ?

    By Blogger worma, at 16:32  

  • OK Prem...great small session this...we'll wait for more updates you get through your sources....and yeah *ofcourse* we would 'still' be discussing this on Monday ;)

    By Blogger worma, at 16:41  

  • Its a pity (for me alone i.e.) that I missed when Prem was online on the blog. From what Prem said, I am hoping he gets a clearer idea about the happenings in Zim. But is there anything more to be understood, I wonder!! Seems the spoilt brat in Indian cricket has managed to do one better than even Nagpur. Cannot wait for the huge celebrations when the dada of Indian cricket wins in so many years outside the subcontinent...

    The thing I cannot understand is all the public kissing and fondling in spite of all the fireworks that happen behind closed doors. RD must have been a true gentleman if he just restricted himself to calling SG just a coward. Hope Wright reveals more in his biography.

    One other thing is, it might be wise to not waste time on LPSahi's views anymore. I guess him blaming VVS for the recent run-out should have been indication enough.

    By Blogger Toney, at 22:56  

  • toney:

    About Wright's biography... I would love for him to hold a small event on the release of his book. He should invite media and also Ganguly as chief guest. The he should present a copy of his book to Ganguly when he releases it. And at the end, like all authors do, do a 2 minute recitation from his book, but choose that portion where he writes about Nagpupr test. At that moment, camera should be focused on Ganguly's face. I would give anything to watch this moment when Ganguly's expressions change as Wright describes his take on why Ganguly did not play that test. That would be my Kodak Moment.

    Wright's book: $50.00
    Cable connection: $15.00
    Ganguly's expressions: priceless...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 23:12  

  • lol Ruchir :)
    Its a pity that somebidy who built a team based in unity and team spirit is going the opposite direction now

    By Blogger Toney, at 23:30  

  • very true, toney, very true...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 23:33  

  • Although I am not a Ganguly-fan, I still respect the position of captain.

    Therefore, if I was BCCI president, I would make sure that SG went out as gracefuly as now possible. I am talking about him exiting based on the situation he has put himself in. I believe differences between him and GC are beyond repair now and only one of them is going to stay in the team in time to come.

    One way for graceful exit would be the Steve Waugh way. It would be a fit on Ganguly too. Look at it this way. Ganguly is out of form. He is a bigger liability in ODIs than Tests, owing to his recent ODI form, fielding skills etc. In Tests, his form is better than ODIs (last test not withstanding), so for the sake of graceful exit, retain him in Tests while removing him from ODIs.

    He will remain captain in Tests. Give him a choice that he can choose the series that he wants to go out in and after that series give him a grand farewell that fits his achievements.

    It is very obvious (if we believe SG's reported moves to be true) than GC is mighty pissed with him. GC has a 2 year contract and if BCCI breaks it early, there definetly will be penalties that BCCI will have to pay him (whatever amount they may be). So, would BCCI take all this trouble, loss of face, lots of explanations etc. in expelling GC just to retain SG? I don't think so. We must remember that GC was selected after lots of considerations and BCCI will have to come up with some concrete reason of expelling him. I am also sure that GC will resign if he comes to know that BCCI is taking SG's side. If GC does that, it will be even a bigger embarrasment for BCCI, and SG too.

    So, to save face for everyone, letting SG go the Steve Waugh way seems to be the best way. GC will be happy with his exit, BCCI won't have to publicly remove him as he will resign and SG himself will get a grand farewell that he deserves.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 00:51  

  • arun:

    My friend, I understand your frustration; many other are with you too... :-)

    But the option I am giving is solely for the sake of respecting the position of the Captain (irrespective of who is occupying it). And yes, when borad asks him to resign, they will hopefuly give him a max timeframe; so don't worry about him being there till 2010 :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 01:50  

  • Prem and everyone else,
    let us first get the right picture first
    I dont think SG blurted this out during the Harsha interview
    Coz during that interview, Harsha referred to the post-match press briefing where SG disclosed that he was aksed to step down
    Harsha asked him whether it was true
    SG smiled and said Yes

    By Blogger Shyam Sankar, at 02:12  

  • Thats what I was trying to say. It is unfair to blame Harsha for pressurizing Saurav. He had already said it earlier.

    By Blogger Gaurav, at 05:41  

  • Now that Ganguly's attempt has badly backfired, what can be his next step?

    By Blogger Chandan, at 11:46  

  • Podi: What are you talking about? The use of the words "must have" and "might have" by people far away from the action is what has been fueling the fire. And where were you these past few days? All those talk about sunsets came only after the sound bites first from Laxman and then directly from SG!

    By Blogger anantha, at 12:34  

  • crictip:

    Nice try, buddy... :-)

    To divert attention from SG to SRT. Brilliant move, if it works out. But this is like Laloo going for a new inquiry on Godhra incident when he knew his tally will go down in Bihar elections owing to his (his wife's) extreemly poor governance record. He came out with a nonsense report anyways but his tally went down drastically...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 15:51  

  • Did anyone read this Report on Rediff? It goes a little further and names players who are "allegedly" in Ganguly camp... Mystery deepens further.... or is it clearing???

    By Blogger Unknown, at 15:59  

  • yacrik:

    You're right, buddy. Sorry I didn't see that before.... :-)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 16:06  

  • Podi: I was wrong about Harsha's article. And considering the fact that I was way off target, I am guess that I might be wrong about Prem's writing too... Sorry again.

    By Blogger anantha, at 16:24  

  • Miyazaki,
    Thats the Aussie way of selecting people. They show little emotion and keep the future in mind. RP might not be in the same league as SW but even then, the Aussie selectors cannot be faulted for making that decision. And that is why, the performance of their team will never vary a lot. Even when they lost the Ashes (and played poor cricket except for T1), England just scraped through in the matches they won. Which goes on to show that with a little more luck, the Aussies might even have escaped.
    Unfortunately, we cling on to past performances and glory too much for our own good. Agreed that SG did a great job but that doesnt mean that he has to be captain for the rest of our lives.

    By Blogger Toney, at 20:53  

  • cricktip:

    In response to your post timed 22:59,
    the biggest reason to remove SG, at this point of time, would be his political stunts.

    There is no guarantee that he will stop playing politics in future even if he and GC compromise and he stays in the team. So why take the risk? His stunts are not going to help build team unity that he has been credited with in past. They will have the exact opposite effect. So, forget his form and figures of current and past. His accidental or pre-determined slip of tongue has put him in such a position that it will become very difficult for him to save his place in the team now.

    And for hypothetical RD scenarios, board will give him some timeframe to prove himself, right? So at the end of the timeframe, if RD's form is good but we don't win then RD stays but we get a new captain. If RD's form dips but we win then RD goes out in a series of his choice. This is what I would do if I was in BCCI, these are my choice. But you will agree, hopefully, that RD will be give a maximum time limit to prove himself as a captain.....

    I am a big supporter of same parameters being applied to compare two players. So, if RD would fail in future in the same parameters in which SG is failing today, I would put RD on notice too.

    Also, when we talk (not you in particular) about giving SG some more time to gain form we, shouldn't ask ourselves, how much time is enough? There has to a limit on this time too, right? SG has been out of ODI and Test form for last one year (excluding BD and ZIM in tests). Isn't one year enough for any player to get back into form? Why are we hell bent on giving SG more time? Would we give VVS or Kaif or Yuvraj one year to get back in form? If not then why more time to SG?

    By Blogger Unknown, at 23:38  

  • cricktip,
    You said that Mike Brearly never scored a 100, yet captained Eng for 31 tests because he was a wonderful tactician. Absolutely right, but SG is not another Brearly, in fact nowhere close to him. Mark Taylor is probably the most brilliant captain in the post-90 era, even he struggled to maintain his place in the team once his batting form diminished.

    The first criteria to choose a team is to select the best men available and then select the best possible captain from them. SG is not even among the top 15 batsmen in India, on form.
    If SG is such a brilliant tactician, then let him be coach or part of the supporting staff (though I couldnt even accept that as a hypothetical situation).

    Moreover, just as we lauded SG for his efforts to make this team into a wonderful, cohesive unit during his early days as captain, he should also be made to face the consequences into splitting this team into several fragments with his dirty games recently. A lot of guys suggested that he be allowed to quit (very soon) with grace. I am not sure SG deserves even that.

    By Blogger Toney, at 00:12  

  • suraj,
    I dont think it is possible to define an exact number of matches during which a person should show worth to the team. It depends on the kind of opposition, the stage of his career, contribution to the team, ability to improve and so on.
    WHat I feel about SG is that he has reached a phase in life where he would find it very difficult to match a youngster in terms of his fielding prowess. His bowling is a rare commodity nowadays, possibly because of some injury. And his speciality, batting: he has more weaknesses for bowlers to choose from than strengths. And I dont think he has been able to sort out those weaknesses against the quicker men. SG was never a great tacician. He used to be a good leader of men and a good motivator. But with his recent deeds, I am not sure he has that trait in him anymore. Think about a debutant and the kind of respect he would give to this Maharaja.

    A lot of people have stated that he should be given enough time in international cricket to sort out his problems. Excuse me, I thought that was done in first class cricket and club level cricket and that international cricket was to showcase the best eleven in the country. Even if first class cricket in India is not upto standards, there are still options for SG to get an expert to work specifically on his weaknesses. He would have all the time to think about his batting, which he himself had claimed was not given due attentionbecause of the pressures of captaincy. Of course, we all know what he considers the pressures of captaincy- making sure that he holds on to it till the end of times...

    By Blogger Toney, at 00:24  

  • Here is LP Sahi batting for SG in today's Telegraph.

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050919/asp/sports/story_5256407.asp

    Quote::::::
    His stature notwithstanding, Chappell must realise that if he wants the world to be patient, his own approach (in driving the players) should be reasonable.

    Also, he has to work within the system and not take liberties (like asking the captain to step down).


    >>>
    The Board (with different officials at the helm) didn’t worry on that count when Chappell applied afresh earlier this year.

    Former captain Srinivas Venkatraghavan was the only ‘selector’ who featured in both panels which interviewed Chappell.

    Incidentally, the “problems” have arisen without Chappell having worked with our biggest star — Sachin Tendulkar!
    >>>>>>>
    Footnote: Contrary to reports in one of the newer TV channels, vice-captain Rahul Dravid didn’t travel with Chappell to Harare on Saturday. Instead, from Bulawayo, he went with most teammates (including Sourav, who initially wasn’t going) to Victoria Falls. Mohammed Kaif and Irfan Pathan also went there, while Anil Kumble actually stayed back as he’d planned a photo shoot. So much for the channel’s conspiracy theory involving the quartet.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    End Quote::::::::

    By Blogger Alex Pandian, at 02:13  

  • And BCCI president... in a rediff report
    >>>>>>>>>

    Though the board had initially refrained from saying anything on the matter, Mahendra spoke to team manager Amitabh Chaudhary in Zimbabwe and felt that the matter had gone too far.

    "We are meeting in Mumbai on September 27 to discuss this issue," Mahendra told rediff.com on phone from his residence in Bhiwani in Haryana.

    New twist in Ganguly-Chappell saga
    He claimed that the report given by Amitabh Chaudhary, the team manager, was different from reports that have been appearing in the media.

    By Blogger Alex Pandian, at 02:29  

  • here's another element which might be worth adding to the mix: I wonder how many people here are baseball fans, and are aquainted with Moneyball, by Michael Lewis?

    I haven't actually read the book, but one of the points of the book is that baseball scouts have traditionally focused too much on so-called "five tool players", players who can hit, hit for power, run, field and throw. When really, the first, second and third priority for a successful ballplayer is the ability to hit a baseball thrown by a major league pitcher. Nothing else is as remotely important.

    The upshot is, scouts have time and time again been seduced into overrating young, energetic, beautifully physiqued athletes who nevertheless failed because you can't flex your biceps at a baseball, you have to hit it with a bat. And smart baseball people recognized this, and they started to build winning teams in part by finding ugly-looking, undervalued players who neverthless had the ability to hit.

    Now I wonder if the same thing is happening to Indian cricket. I'm not knocking the importance of fitness and fielding, or of listening to the coach's suggestions. I'm just wondering if we've gone too far. It's one thing to say that every player should work very hard on fitness and fielding, and should listen to the coach. That's just common sense. It's quite another to say that players should be picked *based on* their fitness, fielding, and their attitude towards the coach. That way leads to all, or most, senior players being purged, because younger players by definition will be fitter, more supple, and less likely to disagree with a coach, whether or not they can actually play the game.

    I remember in John Madden's book he explicitly says he treated younger players and veterans differently. I think every successful coach does that, especially in the NBA, where older players consistently do better than younger players in the playoffs, when it counts.

    So the question deserves asking, especially as Chappell does not have a proven track record as a coach, and his theories as to what builds winning teams are completely untested. Is Chappell favoring younger players because they really increase India's chances of winning, or does he favor them merely because he finds them easier to deal with? Are there any senior players who think Chappell is doing a good job? Does that reflect badly on the senior players, or Chapell? Or both?

    What about when Tendulkar comes back? Is Chappell going to modify his doctrine, or is he going to try to run Sachin around like a 23 year old? And then possibly complain to the board about Sachin's bad attitude, when he fails to meet Chappell's standards of physical fitness?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 03:24  

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