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Friday, September 16, 2005

real test cricket(should finish soon today): Ind-Zim Day4 Open Thread

Gone through all the media reports about SG, GC, RD, VVS, YS, MK, SB(senior bowler)etc...and ohh boy...what a storm they have cooked up...wonder what's it really worth :)...we'll find out in due time I guess...as I don't see any answers coming up anytime soon..

Meanwhile...open thread for the day's game...which hopefully wouldn't last the whole day. I have work to do this morning, will hopefully pop in later in the day.

285 Comments:

  • Right now I am glued to the TV listening to what Harsha, Ravi and Sunny have to say. They are discussing it since the commentary started. Greg C declined to talk to them because he doesn't want to add oxygen to fire right now. They showed Ganguly's interview to Harsha and Sunny once again. Not sure whether it was the entire interview because that part was left out. Sunny thinks that the timing of GC was not right while Ravi feels that the coach has the right to speak his mind. However, all of them are repeatedly saying that they don't know what exactly was said. They stressed on communications.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:00  

  • worma, are you there?

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:00  

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    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 04:02  

  • dadagiri,
    I saw that, too. Ironic that having created the stir in the first place by asking the questions that fuelled the response HB, SGav, and RS are a little unsure about the furore they have created. (least of all in this blog)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:03  

  • here for now...jaunty

    By Blogger worma, at 04:03  

  • Whatever be the case, Ganguly shouldnt have told the media that he was asked to step down before the test match. This will create unnecessary complications and bring down the morale.

    Hope that after his scratchy 100, SG finds his confidence back again, as he claims and returns to batting like he did in his prime. I feel he has atleast a couple of years of international cricket left in him.

    Hope all this controversy dies down and we answer all critics through bat and ball.

    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 04:03  

  • isnt why they are trying to clear up by saying they dont know what exactly was said by GC to SG....

    By Blogger worma, at 04:04  

  • I agree Shankar that Ganguly shouldn't have commented in the media. But I disagree with you that he was ever involved in 'betting'. So there's no question of returning to it. ;)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:04  

  • dadagiri, what was the question to which SG replied by saying that he was asked to step down as captain (is that what he said, step down as captain or step down as player?)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:05  

  • Sunny and Ravi were also discussing how the removal of the burden of captaincy may help Ganguly the batsman. They were talking about Sunny's case. In 82083, he was removed and the captaincy was given to Kapil. He found it hard to accept that. He was much better plced in 85 when he himseld gave up captaincy. They are indirectly suggesting that SG should do the same, but I doubt that SG himself will give it up.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:09  

  • worma, I have tried to find it but cannot find it. The text of his exact comment that sppawned the storm in the teacup are easily found, but not the question, so no way of knowing whether he was badgered, words were put in his mouth, or he was just responding testily (which I doubt happened).

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:10  

  • ZK has bowled 2 no-balls in the first 4 balls he has bowled. I don't really know what to say about this anymore.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:11  

  • worma,
    I think that part was left out in today's interview. He talked about a lot of things, admitted that all the criticisms were justified as he was not getting the runs, but claimed that last year he missed out on a few big scores, feels that he can still be part of the team. Bhogle was probing him about the captaincy issue and SG was giving a smile.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:11  

  • 3 slips, 2 gullies

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:14  

  • I usually like Sunny's views a lot. While pointing out communcation as a vital thing, he mentioned one small thing. Apparently in last night's dinner, SG was sitting with the commentary team while a few players were sitting in a nearby table. Sunny feels that the captain should have been celebrating with his teammates rather than with the commentators.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:14  

  • Unfortunate happenings...now victory and performances will be sidelined.Too many questions...no immeduiate answers
    1)Why did SG talk to the media.Was he in a presumable 'comfort' zone after the painstaking 100?
    2)Did GC go overboard in trying to communicate that he is a hard task master?
    3)Was some ground being prepared for the ensuing performance Review?
    4)Why this new found penchant for the players to go to the media..Ashish Nehra,VVS, SG and sometime back Sehwag (his view supporting SG's appointment as captain for Zim series)

    TEAM India providing MEAT for all and sundry to chew.

    Completely avoidable

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:15  

  • Ravi,
    I am a bit confused. Someone said that SG had called a press conference to say this. But I am under the impressions that he said it only while talking to Sunny and Harsha. In that case, it was same as the comments made by VVS. I mean it's completely different than calling a press conference and announcing the news and saying something while being probed by the commentators. I agree that SG shouldn't have said anything.

    The other confusion comes from the LP Sahi report. It says that a senior bowler walked in during the meeting and Gangs was furious with him for leaking reports to media. Now that obviously happened before Ganguly revealed this yesterday to Harsha and Sunny, possibly before the start of the test. So the media i.e. ESPN team had this info. and was just sitting on it. I saw a post day interview on the first day with SG where the questions asked were kind of weird. They were asking SG to list his memorable wins and bad ones, suggesting his hair will turn black again once the captaincy burden goes, SG was saying that he's aware of the buzz that he may not be around for long. It didn't make sense to me that day, now it does.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:21  

  • I think this is a very sad day for Indian cricket. For one I am not sure if dada should bring these things out in public this is what screws up things totally. 2ndly the coach has no business not to back the captain mid tour. We all saw for all the potential of yuvi and kaif , yuvi failed yesterday. I think GC is himself getting pressured by the weight of expectation of the public and the board and he wants to show results soon. I guess this is what the ex cricketers meant when they said that GC must understand our culture and not try his aussie ways. In oz it may be ok to do this and the captain would not may be take it this badly but in India we are sentimental and GC should have handled it more sensitively. I think the board must step in, and for all his knowledge and blah blah ganguly has and still can contribute much more to Indian cricket than GC, So if it is that bad that they can’t patch up then pay of GC and get a new coach. GC spoke of his job being one of a man manager and this is very poor by GC. If he had problems with SG being skipper he should have got into that selection committee meeting and expressed his views, he skipped that ,literally ducked the issue. Now on the eve of the test mid tour this was pathetic

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:22  

  • ravi,
    in sequence, my comments:
    1) SG was talking to the media as the person that had a huge part in the day processdings. (HS and IP were also interviewed but not a peep has been written about their comments). He knows this comes with the territory so I am sure he was as "comfortable" as he could have been.
    2) You are assuming this is part of a strategy of GC to incite players to perform. Without actually hearing from the guy, it would be incorrect of us to presume that.
    3) Not enough data to suppose this.
    4) I think players have always gone to the media. Its just that in recent times with the increasing number of news outlets, and consequently an increasing pressure on each news outlet to garner readership/viewership, only comments that can be attributed to have other meanings or rake a controversy are usually highlighted.

    And yes, the team has provided meat (at a place of slaughter, no less), and could have been avoided completely.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:24  

  • Zimbabwe hitting it out here.... 26 runs from 30 balls bowled today!

    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 04:25  

  • It was not a press conference called for.It is the regular EOd press briefing and a response to a question.HB later,while interviewing SG refered to the press briefing and sought a response

    And press adds fuel to fire...NDTV this morning reports that SG is "being asked" to give up captaincy...see the subtle change of language used

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:25  

  • ravi,
    Arun Lal seems to implicate GC fairly and squarely as the person that said that to SG, and is pondering whether it was a strategic ploy on the part of the coach to get SG to focus on oroving him wrong by scoring runs!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:25  

  • Here's one column by one Anil and is posted on Sulekha (someond found this piece somewhere).


    Should Ganguly resign or should Indian media?
    By Anil - September 15 2005

    Today, the Indian captain drove home a point after scoring a century despite being in poor form. But media in his own country are more interested in creating scandals where none exist.

    Sourav Ganguly seldom has time for the rank and file of cricket journalists, who seem to take less interest in the sport than raking up unnecessary controversies.

    In the latest instance of irresponsible journalism, Ganguly, in an interview after his century today was prodded repeatedly by TV anchor Harsha Bhogle on "negative vibes" and "dressing-room tensions", rather than cricket action during the day.

    Sourav warded off most of these questions, replying that the players are too mature to indulge in anything that would detract from team performance, but Harsha was undeterred.

    Instead of focussing on the century, he proceeded to quiz Sourav about the criticism of his form in the previous Test series (against Pakistan). Probing for a provocative sound bite, Harsha wanted to know, more than once, if Sourav was "angry" about it. Clearly he was hoping for an answer in the affirmative that would allow the media to report sensationalist news, as they had done the previous day after Laxman's fighting century. Instead, the captain merely said that he accepted the criticism, and his form during that series justified it.

    Why Indian journalists try to get century-makers in trouble with off-the-cuff remarks, rather than appreciate their efforts, is something only their twisted minds could know.

    After a long day out in the middle, and relentless cross-examination by this otherwise sensible journalist who was clearly angling for ratings, Ganguly slipped his guard.

    Harsha asked him point-blank, multiple times, whether anybody had asked him to resign as captain. Eventually, Ganguly admitted that the question had been brought up on the eve of the match. However, the captain said this without any malice, and mentioned it as a reason for the added determination in his knock today.

    The result? A slew of media articles that ignore Ganguly's achievements of 5000 Test runs and 12th Test century, instead ranting and raving about his disclosure that he had been asked to resign.

    Such vindictive press from Indian journalists in place of coverage of the cricket action, and more importantly appreciation of the cricket that will allow India tomorrow to register one of the more crushing wins of recent times, make them difficult to comprehend.

    Cricinfo, a particularly pathetic tabloid-style site devoted to cricket, went the extra mile by slamming Ganguly for his "slow century". The journalist, a bitter man called Dileep Premachandran whose requests for interviews with Ganguly have been politely turned down time and again, is the same fellow who the previous day hailed another patient century as one that allowed batsman Laxman to "turn the corner". As always, the photograph accompanying the day's report is an unflattering one, showing Ganguly ducking a bouncer instead of hitting the boundary that brought up his century -- especially for a team that is about to register a victory of an innings and 150+ runs.

    The Premachandrans and Vasus of Cricinfo would be well-advised to stop covering Indian cricket if they cannot stop criticizing and slamming the team even when they are doing well. Their not-so-hidden agenda against members of the Indian team, and strong support of foreign teams, make these people unfit to report on our cricket. Wisden Asia was abruptly shut down by their Indian publishers recently. Wisden and Cricinfo: stick to the Ashes and leave Indian cricket alone!

    As to the rest of the Indian media that likes to dwell on controversy rather than cricket, would you please learn some elementary rules of journalism?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:27  

  • I hope Ganguly does not spread the field in order to stop these boundaries and then ease up on the close-in pressure on the batsmen.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:28  

  • Dadagiri...We saw this is yesterday's post..Enough has been said and discussed on this report.No wonder the number of posts went past 400 yesterday

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:30  

  • Jaunty,
    I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that it was GC who asked SG to step down. All the other commentators have said that too (and all those media reports), they were only not sure what exactly was said. So Arun Lal is not saying anything different here.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:30  

  • Intriguing is ..why the Senior player's leak to the media

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:31  

  • dadagiri, that article has put a hude smile on my face! Here is a guy (the mono-named Anil) slamming Cricinfo :
    Cricinfo, a particularly pathetic tabloid-style site devoted to cricket, went the extra mile by slamming Ganguly for his "slow century".

    And then spends a major part of the article slamming the media that is slamming the captain. Why could he not have set an example himself by refuting Dileep's contentions and providing a cogent rebuttal to that "tabloid-style" Verdict column! Speak of vicious cycles.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:32  

  • Unless...he is getting back for the ODI exclusions and wants his State mate to get the coveted position...But...no ...not this gentleman and a thorough professional...then why??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:32  

  • Assumptions are, as they famously say, the mother of all .....

    I think that all that can be said about this topic has been said , as far as I am concerned, I am done with it and moving on.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:35  

  • Following is the record of S Ganguly since start of 2002. Notice how pathetic his averages are against teams that really matter (no Zim, BD, Namibia, Kenya) and how fantastic his averages are against minnows (Zim - 20.83, UAE - 56, Kenya - 308!!!,BD - 33.4, Namibia - 112). This shows that whenever he plays against good teams he goes out of form, and, when he scores against minnows he comes back into form (Media goes all gaga about it and everyone lives happily ever after :-)).

    Run Res Tournament
    --- --- ----------
    9 L World Cup v Aus in SA 2002/03 at Centurion [1951]
    24 L World Cup v Aus in SA 2002/03 at Johannesburg [1993]
    37 L TVS (Ind) v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Bangalore (d/n) [2061]
    82 L VB Series v Aus in Aus 2003/04 at Melbourne (d/n) [2077]
    18 W VB Series v Aus in Aus 2003/04 at Brisbane (d/n) [2084]
    1 L VB Series v Aus in Aus 2003/04 at Sydney (d/n) [2086]
    1 L VB Series v Aus in Aus 2003/04 at Perth [2093]
    6 L VB Series v Aus in Aus 2003/04 at Melbourne (d/n) [2097]
    3 L VB Series v Aus in Aus 2003/04 at Sydney (d/n) [2098]
    TDNB N V'con Cup v Aus in NL 2004 at Amstelveen [2159]
    Total 181
    Average 20.11111111

    30 W TVS (BD) v BD in BD 2003 at Dhaka (d/n) [2001]
    60 W Asia Cup v BD in SL 2004 at Colombo (SSC) [2149]
    0 W 1st ODI v BD in BD 2004/05 at Chittagong [2199]
    22 L 2nd ODI v BD in BD 2004/05 at Dhaka (d/n) [2201]
    55 W 3rd ODI v BD in BD 2004/05 at Dhaka (d/n) [2202]
    Total 167
    Average 33.4

    43 W NW Series v Eng in Eng 2002 at Lord's [1848]
    0 N NW Series v Eng in Eng 2002 at Chester-le-Street (d/n) [1851]
    6 L NW Series v Eng in Eng 2002 at The Oval [1854]
    60 W NW Series v Eng in Eng 2002 at Lord's [1856]
    117* W ICC KO v Eng in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1884]
    19 W World Cup v Eng in SA 2002/03 at Durban (d/n) [1969]
    24 L NW Chall. v Eng in Eng 2004 at Nottingham [2164]
    7 L NW Chall. v Eng in Eng 2004 at The Oval [2165]
    90 W NW Chall. v Eng in Eng 2004 at Lord's [2167]
    Total 366
    Average 45.75

    22 L Tsunami v ICC in Aus 2004/05 at Melbourne (d/n) [2203]

    107* W World Cup v Ken in SA 2002/03 at Cape Town (d/n) [1983]
    111* W World Cup v Ken in SA 2002/03 at Durban (d/n) [1992]
    90 W ICC KO v Ken in Eng 2004 at Southampton [2170]
    Total 308
    Average 308

    112* W World Cup v Nam in SA 2002/03 at Pietermaritzburg [1964]

    8 W World Cup v NL in SA 2002/03 at Paarl [1948]

    14 L 1st ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Auckland (d/n) [1926]
    0 L 2nd ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Napier [1927]
    4 L 3rd ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Christchurch (d/n) [1928]
    2 L 4th ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Queenstown [1929]
    0 W 5th ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Wellington (WS) (d/n) [1930]
    23 W 6th ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Auckland (d/n) [1933]
    15 L 7th ODI v NZ in NZ 2002/03 at Hamilton (d/n) [1935]
    3 W World Cup v NZ in SA 2002/03 at Centurion [1988]
    33 W TVS (Ind) v NZ in Ind 2003/04 at Hyderabad (Decc) (d/n) [2062]
    5 L V'con Tri v NZ in Zim 2005/06 at Bulawayo [2273]
    19 W V'con Tri v NZ in Zim 2005/06 at Harare [2278]
    31 L V'con Tri v NZ in Zim 2005/06 at Harare [2281]
    Total 149
    Average 12.41666667

    0 W World Cup v Pak in SA 2002/03 at Centurion [1975]
    45 W 1st ODI v Pak in Pak 2003/04 at Karachi [2112]
    15 L 2nd ODI v Pak in Pak 2003/04 at Rawalpindi (d/n) [2114]
    39 L 3rd ODI v Pak in Pak 2003/04 at Peshawar [2115]
    21 W 4th ODI v Pak in Pak 2003/04 at Lahore (d/n) [2116]
    45 W 5th ODI v Pak in Pak 2003/04 at Lahore (d/n) [2117]
    39 L Asia Cup v Pak in SL 2004 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [2152]
    25 L V'con Cup v Pak in NL 2004 at Amstelveen [2157]
    0 L ICC KO v Pak in Eng 2004 at Birmingham [2179]
    48 L Plat Jub v Pak in Ind 2004/05 at Kolkata (d/n) [2192]
    0 W 1st ODI v Pak in Ind 2004/05 at Kochi [2235]
    9 W 2nd ODI v Pak in Ind 2004/05 at Visakhapatnam [2236]
    4 L 3rd ODI v Pak in Ind 2004/05 at Jamshedpur [2237]
    18 L 4th ODI v Pak in Ind 2004/05 at Ahmedabad [2238]
    Total 308
    Average 22

    13 W ICC KO v SA in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1886]
    75 W TVS (BD) v SA in BD 2003 at Dhaka (d/n) [2002]
    61 L TVS (BD) v SA in BD 2003 at Dhaka (d/n) [2006]
    11* N TVS (BD) v SA in BD 2003 at Dhaka (d/n) [2007]
    Total 160
    Average 53.33333333

    7 W NW Series v SL in Eng 2002 at The Oval [1849]
    24 W NW Series v SL in Eng 2002 at Birmingham [1852]
    9 W NW Series v SL in Eng 2002 at Bristol (d/n) [1855]
    DNB N ICC KO v SL in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1888]
    DNB N ICC KO v SL in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1889]
    48 W World Cup v SL in SA 2002/03 at Johannesburg [1985]
    6 L Asia Cup v SL in SL 2004 at Dambulla (d/n) [2148]
    79 W Asia Cup v SL in SL 2004 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [2153]
    4 L Asia Cup v SL in SL 2004 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [2155]
    51 L IOC Cup v SL in SL 2005 at Dambulla (d/n) [2265]
    26 L IOC Cup v SL in SL 2005 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [2268]
    Total 254
    Average 28.22222222

    56 W Asia Cup v UAE in SL 2004 at Dambulla (d/n) [2144]


    16 L 1st ODI v WI in Ind 2002/03 at Jamshedpur [1893]
    78 L 2nd ODI v WI in Ind 2002/03 at Nagpur [1894]
    72 W 3rd ODI v WI in Ind 2002/03 at Rajkot [1895]
    28 W 4th ODI v WI in Ind 2002/03 at Ahmedabad (d/n) [1896]
    53 L 5th ODI v WI in Ind 2002/03 at Vadodara [1897]
    2* W IOC Cup v WI in SL 2005 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [2267]
    Total 249
    Average 49.8

    13 W ICC KO v Zim in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (RPS) (d/n) [1876]
    24 W World Cup v Zim in Zim 2002/03 at Harare [1957]
    32* W VB Series v Zim in Aus 2003/04 at Hobart [2080]
    33 W VB Series v Zim in Aus 2003/04 at Brisbane (d/n) [2085]
    1 W VB Series v Zim in Aus 2003/04 at Adelaide (d/n) [2087]
    20 W V'con Tri v Zim in Zim 2005/06 at Harare [2274]
    2 W V'con Tri v Zim in Zim 2005/06 at Harare [2280]
    Total 125
    Average 20.83333333

    By Blogger Deepak, at 04:35  

  • The senior player may have mentioned is casually to one of the ESPN commentators. While it's the job of the 'media' to pick up an issue, but here the 'media' comprises of Bhogle, Sunny, Ravi and Lal. They should have known the repurcussions, especially Bhogle since he was the one who was trying hard to get a quote out of Ganguly. Again, Ganguly should have restrained himself. Don't know why he couldn't do that because he looked calm, not agitated at all. He was trying to avoid the question initially with smiles and saying something else, but Bhogle kept on insisting.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:36  

  • The only senior bowler I can think of in the squad is AK and could that explain why he was being under bowled in the 1st innings and again now HS gets the not ahead of him to bowl 1st? I always thought a bowler like AK was more comfortable with a newer and harder ball than HS

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:37  

  • And, oh yes, that other topic that has garnered an odd quote or two has been brought up, too. Its a known issue and a known trend and thats all I have to say about it.

    Kumble on and Taibu is playing down the wrong line each time. Playing for spin?

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:39  

  • Avinash, did you say AK was underbowled? Well, Ruchir was arguing with someone here after the first day why SG bowled AK for so long and gave him an extended spell when AK is 35 years old !!!

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:39  

  • For the media who feel Ganguly's captaincy burdens are affecting his batting: Have a look at the little giant Taibu. A glaring example of a fighter. Though he knows he cannot win against top teams he does not get dejected. He is batting his heart out.

    He has been in the field for almost all of this test match. And look at the pressure on him. He is the captain, he has to think of field placements, bowling changes and what not...and at the same time keep concentrating hard on each and every ball that is being bowled (and bring off spectacular catches once in a while). Burdens are not taked off his shoulder when Zim is batting. He is their best batsmen and is the backbone of Zim lineup. He scores consistently against all teams. And yeah Zim cricket must be barely paying him more than peanuts.

    At 21 this guy is totally amazing and deserves much more than the attention that he is getting in the elite cricket circles right now.

    And now think again. Does really captaincy burden someone too much? Is it impossible to be a captain and do other things if you have the resolve?

    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 04:42  

  • I am talking of the lunch session dadagiri when he was not brought on for a long time. I am not suggesting that SG is taking sides but when you don’t trust someone or you are angry with someone you don’t tend to fall back on him for something do you? I am also not saying that the senior bowler was AK because I can’t for a moment believe he is that kind of an irresponsible guy but I can’t see anyone else.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:44  

  • shankar anand,
    Taibu is a gem. He is rarely mentioned when discussions of the best keepers comes about but from what I have seen of him, he is top-notch. I have a feeling that before his career is done we shall revere him the way Andy Flower is.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:44  

  • hah true...avinash u should have a word with our so called "contributor" ruchir since he clearly m entioned that AK was OVERBOWLED!

    By Blogger jgohil, at 04:46  

  • Listing down controversies from memory...some significant..some not so
    1.Bedi declaring to avoid injuries to his players
    2.Gavaskar desperately trying to push Chauhan out of the field in Melbourne
    3.Gavaskar dropping Kapil Dev from the team
    5.Bedi's famous staement of throwing the entire team into the sea
    6.Mohinder calling the selectors a bunch of jokers
    7.Azhar taunting Sidhu in England and Sidhu rushing back home
    8.The famous 'fixing' controversies

    For close to half a decade...nothing ..and then all of a sudden...

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:48  

  • captaincy is a burden especially if happen to captain india. Everyone is a cricket pundit and every win or loss will be deeply crutinized. Taibu can play freely since he knows the media aren't on his case. But being captain for India is hell. I dont know why Dravid or any sane player would accept that responsibility.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 04:48  

  • Deepak,
    Tell me one thing. How many times he has played against Kenya, Namibia and UAE? You can probably count them very easily. Then how did he reach that 10K mark? If you are referring to his two hundreds against the minnows in the WC, then hopefully you also remember that Kenya reached the SF. Obviously they played well to reach there. SG didn't open the innings. VS and SRT had the chance to finish the innings. They played against the same attack. Someone has to score the runs, right? Someone was saying yesterday that Pathan picks up a lot of wickets against the minnows. True, but the other bowlers also bowl against the same batsmen. Imagine if Pathan was not taking these wickets. Probably we won't be beating these minnows with our kind of bowling attack. In this test also, SG may not have got his hundred if Sehwag had repeated his 309, Gambhir and Dravid a century apiece.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:48  

  • here we go again...

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:51  

  • Ooooo, HS is bowling really well here.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:53  

  • Not going anywhere jaunty, bechara Deepak made a long post with so much stats, deserves a reply na?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:53  

  • Its Harsha's fault. I saw the interview or post match review..whatever. Harsha..and the entire ESPN team knew about it anyway....and when Harsha quizzed Saurav..with the knowing smile...Saurav couldn't deny it.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:53  

  • dadagiri, :-) yes.

    And oh, the other one simmers, too.

    Good to see HS going round the wicket (i.e. over the wicket) to left-handers.

    By the way, I thought I heard a snick on the ball through to the keeper from Kimble but no one appealed or even flinched.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:55  

  • blwe,
    C'mon U don't spill out such sensitive stuff to the whole world..even if a few guys know about it.

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:56  

  • It is unfortunate that Saurav had to admit it in public..thanks to Harsha.....But anyway, heavens didn't fal...and lets hope...everything ends well..

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:56  

  • Why doesn't AK bowl round the wicket to left handers? Shane Warne switches back and forth so easily, so its not as if it cannot be done. It must be a mindset thing then.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 04:56  

  • The blame goes to the following:

    > snr player who leaked the story out. He’s the senior of the team and being casual about such a story is so unprofessional

    > Harsha trying to push Ganguly’s buttons. I never really rated Harsha as a commentator. He is so damn annoying.

    > Finally on Ganguly for adding fuel to the fire. I’ve supported Ganguly but now he is testing my patience since his comments will break the very team spirit he has created or instilled by GC. Sometimes people are under pressure can cave in big time and that’s what happened when Harsha kept on pushing Ganguly for the inside information.

    I would back GC and even if he told Ganguly to shape up or get ready to shipped. So fackin’ what! I think that’s a good mental way of stirring things on so that egoist players can take notice and so something about it. If you can’t handle criticisms and play under immense pressure, then you will never will. Just getting a century doesn’t give Ganguly the right to go after GC.

    SG would have just shut is mouth and let his batting do all the talking, only if the damn media allows him to do. Now the monster is created and lots of bridge building will happen.

    The media creates the star and the media takes that away in a flash.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 04:57  

  • sorry jaunty...I went out for a while...thx for the interview details..one more thing...(if you havent already said this)...from your impression of the interview....when ganguly said he was asked to step down....was he talking about captaincy or about stepping down from the team totally ? (as a player also?)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:57  

  • Happy Birthday Dheeraj Jadhav. He came to field today for sometime wearing the Indian cap. Good gesture by the management.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:57  

  • Yeda...sometimes journalistic ethics come in the way of team interest. I believe Harsha( and I am a big fan of his articles and commentary) crossed the fine line between journalistic ethics..and right to information.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 04:59  

  • what did ashish nehra say about his temamates??

    By Blogger cricketmaniac, at 05:00  

  • ..and btw...my impression still is that the 'blame' if we want to call it that, is solely with the media for focussing too much on the off field activities...and reporting it such that the readers like us are made to feel the issue is bigger than it actually is....for example...read the match thread on cricinfo....usually it has a heading on the match related issue...then the first link is to the live scorecard....check it out today

    By Blogger worma, at 05:00  

  • C'm on worma, I am the one who is typing in all the details and you only thank jaunty? :) C'm on man, I am a friendly guy, don't take my name so seriously.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:01  

  • And for those who believe Pathan’s performance is not up to the mark against the big guns have clearly no idea what they are on about. Go cry me a river!

    At least we have someone in the team that can rip through the batting, even if it’s against the minnows. The confidence that he’ll get will go a long way. He will back himself to get a fiver every time.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 05:01  

  • worma..he meant..stepping down as Captain only....Anyway...I remember he once faced the same situetion before..when Raj Singh Dungarpur warned him of dire consequences..infront of the whole team.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:01  

  • ..and I dont think Harsha has done much wrong..ofcourse he and any other good journalist would probe on an interesting hint....but he cannot control how big it is blown up in the next days headlines

    By Blogger worma, at 05:01  

  • I am going to send an email to Harsha telling him that was not in the right spirit. He usually replies, let's see what he has to say.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:02  

  • dadagiri sorry dude LOL :-)....my bad...got confused...rushing in and out of meetings ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:02  

  • dadagiri, yes, I thought that was a kind gesture, and the player will treasure those moments. I know I would!

    worma, I am going to stay mum on two topics - you know which ones I am referring to - but since you asked; my impression (and the inference is mine) was that he was asked to step down as captain, thats all.

    This is what he said, "I can tell you that before this match I was asked to step down as captain. So it was an extra determination that I found," said India's captain, in the middle of a Test match.

    BTW, Cricinfo has this new article (hot off their presses!!):
    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/zimvind/content/story/219400.html
    tiled, "Whatever happened to Team India? The season of discontent" by Anand Vasu.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:03  

  • Look..he was privileged enough to know what happenned behind closed door....he could have avoided spilling it in front of the public....atleast for the benefit of the Indian team.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:05  

  • dadagiri, what is Harsha's email address? (If it is something that is private and you obtained from him, please don't tell me).

    Thanks.

    And by the way, guys, does anyone know Prem's email address? The one he uses for public consumption?

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:06  

  • Oooh...leg spin for Kumble..a good foot or more!! Food for thought for Taibu now.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:07  

  • it will be interesting to see Pathan perform when the ball does not swing

    By Blogger cricketmaniac, at 05:08  

  • GONE! Yes, that very ball that he used earlier has gotten him now.

    Smart, smart bowler!

    The ball after the leg spin was a straight one and Taibu watched it closely. And then when the next one came he prodded unsurely at it, unable to form a clear opinion of how much it would turn. Classic Kumble dismissal. Taibu walked, too.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:09  

  • Nearly one more!!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:09  

  • yeah what's harsh's email address...i'd liek to email him as well. i promise i'd be nice!

    By Blogger jgohil, at 05:10  

  • Again! Goes on the backfoot to Kumble...foor Ewing. Its a matter of time if he keeps doing that.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:10  

  • Don't like the cricinfo writers much. I don't think yesterday's column by Dileep P was in the right spirit. Agreed SG played a s-l-o-w innings, but he played very well, didn't give any chance, concentrated hard. If one of the out of form batsmen takes one innings against one of the minnows to get into form when his team is very well placed, I don't see any problem with that. A century may give the required confidence rather than a quickfire 40 off 35 balls. He has been getting the start but missing the big scores. That's why that magic figure was so important. Dileep could have written a better piece yesterday.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:11  

  • ..dunno what to make about vasu article...I have had some issues with cricinfo's negativism towards the indian team...since the Zim tour...right from the start (and I mentioned it here, with example...that how differently they reported two similar performances from Ind and Nz against the same opposition). I had some reservatios with S Rajesh and Anand Vasu being over critical in SL tour, and Dileep yesterday about SG, as someone pointed out). I hate to say its a cricinfo level conspiracy against Ind team or SG etc....because they are much better in their peers category....

    This new article from Vasu...says chose to make a statement that will rock the very foundations on which spirit and togetherness are built in a team of sportsmen......now how much do we agree with this ? Sure maybe there's a hell of things wrong with this team....but then they are not getting any worse because of this statement....they were already wrong....

    By Blogger worma, at 05:11  

  • Sorry folks, can't give you the email address. It's his personal one. That would be unethical.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:12  

  • The new article in Cricinfo is nothing new...but plain old SG bashing.....Vasu...inquires...why now?...why did SG come out with the fact now..that is on the 3rd day?
    Well...he will do better to ask Harsha instead!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:13  

  • MOM is Pathan - that at least should be without controversy

    By Blogger cricketmaniac, at 05:13  

  • Doosra by Harbhajan?! Looked plumb first up to me. Batsman is indicating he touched it, but I am not sure that is the case.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:13  

  • okay dadagiri, thanks for clarifying that. I understand.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:14  

  • yeah dadagiri..same thing I just said :)..and jaunty prem's email address is on the site(his profile)... prem@us.rediff.com

    By Blogger worma, at 05:14  

  • #20 coming for for SG. Congrats !!

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:15  

  • come on dadagiri - let me pose as harsha this time and keep on pushing your buttons so that you can crack and give me his email address. come on dude, i'd be nice to him when i do email him.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 05:16  

  • HS does seem to have a spring in his step that was missing for a little bit. Bowling round the wicket to the left-handers has been a bugaboo of his. Hopefully this will convince him to do so more often in the future.

    worma, read them and move on. If you notice the articles these days on Cricinfo and other websites, they are very reactionary. Follow the articles after the Lords Test and then after the 2nd Test and you will a flip-flop as typical as a Hawaii chappal of ours. I read them, smile, and then go on to other things.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:18  

  • dadagiri, if you are writing to Harsha, do ask him (if you did not already have this in mind) that is he aware of the ramifications of that one answer he was probing to get out of SG ? The Indian team may yet get well out of it (hopefully)...but the whole media frenzy and inciting of public opinions that it has created...is he aware? Can he do something about it now? If possible, he should.

    By Blogger worma, at 05:18  

  • But if I do that jgohil, even one Joshi may send him an email and you know what his tone would be. Can't afford to take that risk. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:18  

  • Thanks worma, for Prem's address.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:19  

  • jaunty...yes mate...I have aquired that 'instinct' to filter a lot of junk out of those...and formulate my own opinions :)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:20  

  • Worma, sure I'll ask that, but I've got a feeling that Harsha will be getting lot of emails on this issue and may not reply at all. So will wait for a while.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:21  

  • dadagiri - no worries mate! i wonder where our so called "contributor" is today....

    By Blogger jgohil, at 05:21  

  • I don't care who the batsman would be, they would be hard-pressed to be comfortable against HS the way the guy is boiwling right now. Ever ball looks like it can take a wicket.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:22  

  • alright dadagiri. Am outta here once again....hopefully this would wrap up before lunchtime...and good to see bhajji not only getting wickets...but bowling well (from what I read on darned cricinfo ;-)....even bowling the doosras...

    By Blogger worma, at 05:23  

  • Time to get IP for his 5-for ??

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:24  

  • This is like watching a movie you have already seen. You know the what is going to come, just a matter of watching it through, thats all!!

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:24  

  • yeda_yakub, I dount if these batsman will last long enough. It will be tough to prise the ball from the hands of these two bowlers, and there is no reason to as of now. Almost all the balls are being played (or missed) by the edge of the bat.

    worma, bye..."see" you sometime during the next match then.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:25  

  • No one has clarified about what statement nehra made???? pls fill in the details

    By Blogger Avinash, at 05:26  

  • Easy enough chance dropped by Gambhir...should be taken, but these things happen sometimes. (Remember the "laddoo" that Streak dropped off HS, first ball?)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:26  

  • yeh wot did nehra say?

    By Blogger ajoy, at 05:30  

  • Good to see that a close-in fielder was not sacrificed to fill the gap at deep mid-wicket.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:32  

  • 6 overs ... !! bring back Pathan

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:33  

  • Kumble is spinning the ball a huge amount now! Slower in speed but more spin. Good for him.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:34  

  • does anyone have a link to article by LP Sahi

    By Blogger ajoy, at 05:34  

  • India can delay lunch by a half-hour I think if this wicket does not fall before lunch.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:35  

  • http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050916/asp/frontpage/story_5245677.asp

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:36  

  • thanks

    By Blogger ajoy, at 05:37  

  • ridiculous timing from me I guess - but I was wondering if there was any site that was offering 'legal' streaming video/audio of this series. I recently moved to the UK (a week back) from India and am facing severe withdrawal symptoms! I want to watch India win their first series win outside the subcontinent - never mind if it is against a Ranji club side! Thanks - any help much appreciated.

    By Blogger ze rambler, at 05:38  

  • ze rambler, yes, I am watching the streaming on Willow TV. On google type in "willow tv" and the first link will take you there.

    Or go to the live scorecard option in Cricinfo and click on "live video" and it will take you to the same site.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:42  

  • Just looked at the rules and nope, I could not actially find a law that lets you delay lunch to get a verdict. Close of play can be delayed, not intervals like lunch or tea or drinks. Oh well.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:42  

  • ze rambler, here is the link:

    http://www.willow.tv/EventMgmt/Default.asp

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:43  

  • fantastic - thanks much Jaunty. Does this include the sensational pre and post match interviews from Harsha "Watergate" Bhogle?

    By Blogger ze rambler, at 05:45  

  • Leg gully has been removed for HS. I wish they would keep up the pressure. We have tons of runs on the board. Keep attacking, guys.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:46  

  • NOW BRING BACK PATHAN

    By Blogger Avinash, at 05:49  

  • ze rambler, They used to have the option of going back and looking at an archive but that function has been stopped, so unfortunately you cannot do that.

    However, you get no ads between overs!! And additionally you get all the on-camera people in their candid moments as the coverage continues between overs, before and after the play. You get to see them prepping for their interviews, adjusting their clothes, doing voice tests, practicing their dialogue delivery and also from time to time hear thier interchanges (off-camera, since they assume everyone is on an ad break!!)

    Fun really. The Ashes were also a lot of fun to watch on that. All of it was one big package they had. I have been watching the same package for months now.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:49  

  • Leg gully is back for HS! Good.

    Yes, avinash, I think its time for Pathan to come back.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:50  

  • What are the charges on Willow TV??

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:52  

  • Over! Round the wicket and got the right hander. Good to see HS changing his line and not worrying about being only over the wicket, etc. Plumb, plumb...dream LBW dismissal for an off-spinner. Pitched on the stumps and spun back onto the back foot in front of the middle-leg stump.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:52  

  • I think willow is charging $49.95 for two tests, quite expensive. I am paying just $10. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:56  

  • They had a package that advertised about 200 days of coverage for about 200 dollars and I signed up for it a few months back. I don't know what the price is now.

    I got to see Ind-SA, Ind-Bangladesh, ENG-WI, NZ-SL (the tour that was cut short by the tsunami), Aus-Ban, AUS-WI-Pak tri series, Aus-Pak series, Ashes, Natwest triseries, the recent Ind-Zim-NZ seris, the Zim-NZ series, the Indi-SL odi series. And a few more I cannot recall off the top of my head. And in the future, I will get to see Aus-WI and Aus-SA.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:56  

  • jaunty, how can you watch so much cricket? kaam dhanda hai ki nahi?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:57  

  • Quite some bang for my buck, so to speak. (No wonder it took me so many years to finish my PhD!! Just don't tell my parents this :-)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:57  

  • Arre yaar, a students life, especially when I WAS a graduate student, was bindaas. My advisor let me do things on my own time schedule so I used to come in to the department late at night, set up the computer in my lab to cricket and then work away on my analyses! :-)

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 05:59  

  • Who should be the MOM? IMO, Pathan.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:03  

  • ajoy, sorry slipped by your question from earlier.

    Nehra was not happy that Irfan got the new ball ahead of him. Actually it was more that he wanted to bowl with the new ball. But then if he was to bowl (at that time he was the first change) then Irfan would have to make way.

    Its all in the past now...not-so-distant...but in the past.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:05  

  • dadagiri, yes it has to be Pathan, I think so, too.

    SG mentioned that IP likes the kookaburra ball more than the SG ball, because the kookaburra ball swings more. Maybe that also may have something todo with the skewed nature of his stats. But oh well, thats girst for some other day.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:06  

  • Yes, IP it is for MOM.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:07  

  • IP syas that he has slowed down because when he bowls faster he does not get as much swing. Hmmmm, that explains the drop in pace.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:08  

  • oh thanks

    By Blogger ajoy, at 06:08  

  • imp point Chappell, when asked about the controversy, said that the only thing he would share with the press is the composition the team should have in the match. What was his composition, it is not given in any site. What did chappel think the composition of the team should have been?

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:09  

  • IP is speaking in a very mature manner. Impressive.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:09  

  • jaunty was this in the lanka tour, well even ZK could have made way isn't it?

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:12  

  • ok folks, bye for now. See ya all for the next match on Monday night (or day if you are not in USA).

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:13  

  • avinash, yes, thats why I said it was in the past and should be left there...its old stuff and not reall yimportant.

    dadagiri, bye. I am taking a week-long road trip through the US by myself, so I may miss the next match, unless the hotels I stay at have internet access at a cheap surcharge. As Amitabh would say, "Main aur meri tanhaiyi". Maybe I will write a tavelogue and put it up on my so-far-nonexistent blog. Take care.

    By Blogger Jaunty Quicksand, at 06:18  

  • Prem, waiting for your opinion on Team India comments.

    I thought GC will quit before dec '05. But, it appears like Zim series is his last one.

    Like Anand Vasu mentioned in his column, after public comments about coach, things will not work out in future.

    Back in 2000, when SG took captaincy, Azhar played one series under him, he failed to contribute anything in Asia cup in the midst of CBI, Manoj Prabhakar, Muthaiah commission etc. SG said in post-match press conference, if seniors cannot contribute, they should think of dropping themselves out. SG should do the same.

    Selection of YS over MK once again displayed politics of Indian cricket.

    Now, public statement is a calculated move by SG to get rid of coach.

    By Blogger Rajg, at 06:31  

  • http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050916/asp/frontpage/story_5245677.asp

    For those of you who have not checked out LP Sahi's take on the SG/GC tussle. Chappell's take was that SG didnt deserve a place in the side based on current form and that MK should play instead. RD being the true professional he is, apparantly stepped in and convinced GC that this was not the time to change captains.

    By Blogger Harsha, at 06:37  

  • For those of you who woke up early to watch India win and now dont feel like going back to sleep... more live action - International 20 20 championship ... the Faisalabad foxes are on fire..
    http://willowandleather.blogspot.com/2005/09/international-20-20-club-championship.html

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 06:39  

  • nah i dont think GC will quit. He has been at the helm of australian cricket both as a player, captain and selector and you seriously reckon he'll quit? I doubt that and the board is goign to back him.

    Btw to the chap who is in the UK. You can watch the game at www.sportingstreams.com as they are streamign the game online. Or you can ask one of your m ates if they have Sony Tv. Willow TV don't have Internet broadcast rights for the UK market so don't bother signing up.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:41  

  • why are we all waiting for prem to comment. this blog has been on autorun for a long time and its great so far.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 06:42  

  • After listening to Ganguly's post match comments, how many of you feel that he is going to step down as the captain after the Harare test...?

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 06:43  

  • I think he will quit from captaincy as well from playing after Zim Tour. Then the BCCI stalwarks make a big drama to bring him back and finally he will take over again

    By Blogger Ananth, at 06:47  

  • Well something's gotta give.. The stepping down thing is definitely on his mind.. He is bent on using this series to better his batting credentials.. He knows pretty well that he would need one more hundred in the next match to keep him in contention as a batsman for the next series.. If he voluntarily steps down, I dont think he'll take it back even if JD goes on a hunger strike.. - he takes a lot of pride in his actions..

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 06:53  

  • what did saurav tell in his post match comments?
    what did harsha,sunny discuss now ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:05  

  • guys,
    SG also told the following to harsha
    "that the dressing room was not gud for the last 1 year and we could see the effects in the success rate of teh indians in the cricket field ............"

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:09  

  • It was Ravi at the presentation ceremony .. so the questions were less troubling.. Ganguly mentioned that questions were bound to be asked when the performances were not upto par and that he understands that he hasn't been playing well of late.. He said he hoped to perform consistently from now on.. and when asked about the significance of his 48th test, he said he had one more to go, his 49th.. Not sure what he intended to say there... seemed as if he wanted that to be his last...

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 07:13  

  • Rajesh.. about that last bit (SG telling Harsha about the dressing room).. where did you get it from?

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 07:14  

  • vishnu,
    yesterday night interview of harsha with ganguly
    sg told this when harsha asked him about teh importance of the dressing room being happy

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:17  

  • thanks rajesh.. i missed that...

    By Blogger vishnupavan, at 07:21  

  • I think the whole issue has blown out of proportion.The fact remains that Ganguly,the way he is playing today is incapable of holding his place in the side.The fact remains that in even in the one day format he no longer deserves a place in the squad.And if we are talking about players being commenting about they not being happy about thrie non selection.V.V.S Laxman has been kept out of the one day squad for the reason that he is not a great runner between wickets, is unable to force the pace and a bad fielder.Hello somebody correct me ,but Saurav hasnt been able to force the pace of innings against a decent international attack,has always been a bad runner between wickets and fielding less said the better.So on that particular account if Laxman is not in the squad Ganguly should also not be in the squad.Please guys the whole idea is to have the best 11 players playing in the team .Whatever other qualities they bring into the team whether it is great team spirit or desire or great captaincy are additional bonuses.Ganguly on current form does not deserve the place.And all those people who take great pleasure in pulling out past records and proving that,NO even based on his record for the last one year he doesnt deserve a place.If we talk about his record 2 years back yes true he was good then.But so were Australia before the ASHES started.And if his captaincy skills are really so good we always have the super sub option bring him on whenever we are fielding. Hmm as far as GC having told Yuvraj that he was not good enough for the Indian squad.Yes he was correct in doing so.Damien Martyn was dropped for close to 5 years for one rash shot he played.He at that point was considered to best young batsman in Australia.Yuvraj singh is neither the best young batsman in the country nor is he the most consistent.Why cant you drop a player who has been inconsistent please?If he has come back it is his hard work rewarded.GC should be lauded for bringing his uncomprising attitude.As far as Harsha and cricinfo is concerened I think they have done the right thing,but letting us all know whats actually happening in this Indian team.P.S(England will be visiting India very soon.Wonder what will happen when Ganguly will face upto Harmsion and co?Ricky Ponting and co who Murdered other attacks were brutually hit all over!!Would GANGS FANCY THAT??)

    By Blogger bulchee, at 07:35  

  • oh plz! Laxman was never going to be part of the one day squad anyways. He got his chance in SL and didn't do well. May be his back had to do with it. But even he acknowledges he didn't perform at all and he should have grabbed his chance. I think laxman's attitude is right - all he can do is keep on scoring and his chance will come.

    But to beef up his case, he should have come and played county cricket here...got in some rythmn and use that momentum to effect in SL. But he didn't do that. He remained in India and waited for the bangalore camp. at least ganguly tried to sort his batting out by playing county cricket.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:51  

  • Guys,
    atlast it seems whatever i wished might happen .....
    yesterday i advocated that sg give up captaincy and test place and conecentrate just on odi for WC 2007.
    IF SG understands that this is going to benefit him and teh team - WOW - it ;s gud for team india ...

    By Blogger rajesh, at 07:57  

  • Ganguly in form is so much better than Kaif and Yuvraj combined. He has lots of cricket in him and all he needs to focus now is on the batting. I think he MIGHT just quit captaincy and focus on his batting and score lots n pots of runs.

    Dravid will be appointed the captain and I don't think he has in him to handle the pressure the media and the public throws at a captain. The Art of War by Sun Tzu doesn’t have a chapter on media pressure. His form will dip just like his low scoring affairs in Pak series (when India visited Pak). He'll drop out of two 10 in test match rankings and soon the media will be calling for his head.

    Future is already predicted.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 07:58  

  • jgo,
    ofcourse sg is n times better than yuvis and kaifs ... but still sg shld retire from tests'

    RD - hope he has it in him to doa setve waugh
    mark (a left handed bat) retired and SW(rt hnd bat) took over - simillarly RD will take india to greater hts

    By Blogger rajesh, at 08:06  

  • I think GC was a bad choice as a coach inspite of his obvious credentials. What works in Australia does not necessarily work for Indians. Mohinder Amarnath was a better choice but then again the Indian cricket establishment has been unfair with the Amarnaths for more than 50 years now.

    By Blogger Miyazaki, at 08:08  

  • mohinder amarnath? lol...nah man i think the board were only looking for a foreign coach. plus mohinder had prepared a presentation for the board and he couldnt load it up during the interviews. attention to detail is so important in cricket and how could he cock his interview up like that.

    By Blogger jgohil, at 08:13  

  • Let's be clear about the coach/manager selection. During the process it was SG and his mentor who wanted GC. RD and AK and VVS wanted Tom Moody. Now GC comes in and calls it like it is and he is not a good coach. This is great and makes a lot of sense....NOT!!

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 08:14  

  • looks like this is the only blog buzzing with the saurav ganguly discussion...

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:19  

  • Jgohil: Mohinder Amarnath is not in sales. He doesn't have to know how to *load* a powerpoint presentation. He is a desi guy with lot of accomplishments under his belt both in international cricket and Indian domestic cricket. Here's guy who worked and re-worked himself many times over to fit the need during his career. He would know how to coach according to needs of individuals in this team.

    By Blogger Miyazaki, at 08:22  

  • gopalblog: I was not coming from SG's point-of-view. don't care what he thought or not. GC and his chappel-ways are unfit in Indian context. time will tell though and may be I'll eat my words in the future but I doubt that.

    By Blogger Miyazaki, at 08:24  

  • even rediff is not carrying any more information than the pti article

    By Blogger SHRI, at 08:24  

  • Well thats the point I was making .If we are talking about current then on it both dont deserve a place in the squad.We should simply stop living in past glories.All the time we talk about why our Indian team does not perform.When India today has a coach who refuses to take bullshit fron anybody,we crib.See nobody can deny SG his place in the history of Indian cricket.However just because 2 years ago Ganguly was a great player does not mean he gets automatic selection into the squad.

    By Blogger bulchee, at 08:27  

  • miyazaki - I respect Jimmy Amarnath tremendously as a player and let me say aas a kid growing up in India he was my favorite player. But I also want to say the attitude with which he approached the position of coach led me to think his appointment as a coach/manager would have been one of the biggest blunder in the history of Indian cricket. Mind you that is just my opinion. He may be very good as a academy coach teaching players how to remodel their game etc but that is not the role a senior team coach/manager plays. Players whose games need to be retooled do not belong in the senior team.

    By Blogger Gopalblog, at 08:33  

  • guys does any one of you have the transcript of ganguly's post match comments and yesterday's interview? Only SG can decide what to do next and i am believe he will do what is in the best interests of indian cricket.

    By Blogger Avinash, at 09:00  

  • gopalblog: Two things: everyone other than SRT and RD needs retooling. Otherwise we could hire Phil Jackson to put the spirits together in harmony ;-) and that'll do the trick. Secondly, Mohinder had the decency to appear for the interview atleast knowing fully well that he was not going to get the job. He could have done worse.

    By Blogger Miyazaki, at 09:11  

  • How does Greg Chappell make such a silly and outrageous mistake of telling Ganguly to step down before the 1st test, when Ganguly has been appointed the captain for the 2 Test series by the selectors? Doesn't Chappell know that the captain's place in the playing XI has been decided by selectors? Greg Chappell might have been a great player and great Internet cricket coach-chappellway.com.au etc., but in man management he is very very poor. Just see how John Wright performed in his 5 years' tenure. He man managed all the Indian super stars superbly and the result - India achieved best ever results in its Test cricket history and reached the World Cup final during Wright's tenure.

    I don't think Chappell's tenure will last till WC 2007.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 09:28  

  • Worma and Company,

    It is hard for me to believe that not one questione asked on this blog or an eyebrow raised for Chappel to ask an Indian captain to resign! and that too at the begining of a test series?

    Is he within his powers to do that?

    Does not the Selectors/Board appoint a captain and remove if required.

    Does Chappel think that he is the Old English Master in the Australian Sheep Clothing?

    Is an Indian Coach possible for an Australian team? or for a state level team? and would anyone tolerate such a behaviour from a coach?

    Ian Chappel said that at best the coakh will make difference of about 5% in team s performance.

    Some one plese explain to Greg Chappel that he is simply a MERCENARY, and amply rewarded for that. Perhaps Gavaskar should do that as he is there and responsible for the appoinment to some extent.

    Prem, how easy or difficult it is to have get a copy of GC's contract?

    Had he done something like this to Azhar, there would have been calls from Dubai and Karachi to teach him a thing ot two in Desi communication, Bhai.

    Ponder, please.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 09:59  

  • why doesnt somebody ( say SG or GC ) come forward and clear out all these ambiguities!!

    We are all busy pointing fingers without even knowing accurate details!

    Ganguly mentioning this resign issue and then slinking away into silence seems very fishy. For the greater good of the indian team, would someone please give an official clarification? ( even if it were that "I was misunderstood" crap :) ).

    By Blogger cartan, at 10:11  

  • Even if Chappell asked Ganguly to resign ( and that's a big IF ) he would only have been saying something that is so blatantly obvious that i can't believe the amount of bellyaching that it seems to have caused. Ganguly at the moment is a net liability to the team - his batting is leaden, his fielding absolutely disgraceful and he really hasn't got a lot to offer the team. So if someone makes a friendly suggestion along the lines of "mate, you're not contributing to the team and that is undermining your ability to inspire and lead, why don't you give up this captaincy lark before you are sacked and focus on your game", I don't see why that should cause such outrage.
    The villain of the piece isn't Chappell. if anything it is Ganguly attempting to become a martyr by mentioning this on day 3 of the test after scoring a none too impressive century.

    By Blogger Piyush, at 10:12  

  • well i think a lot of it is blown out of proportion. The fact is India is still the No.3 team on icc rankings just 6 pts behind england ( who think they are world champions tho they havent beaten india in india for i dont know how long).

    So lets give SG some credit even in a bad year we werent that bad in test cricket .. Yes one days is another story. We won quite a few tests and series in 2004 people might say at home but didnt eng also not beat aussies at home only ??

    He still is the best bet as captain yes he needs to improve his batting no doubt but on current form who doesnt ?

    Interesting all these debacles happ since SRT not around ? Any views on that ? Maybe he was the glue and his presence just made so much of a diffrence

    Karthik

    By Blogger Karthik, at 10:16  

  • The bottom line is that the team has lost its Mojo ( to use an austin powerism). A lot of that has to do with it becoming stale and complacent. A bit of new blood, a shaking of the old guard and Ganguly being given a golden watch for his services and shown the door marked "graceful exit" would help.

    By Blogger Piyush, at 10:20  

  • Even after Ganguly and Laxman score tons-they just wanted to prove a point-and ensured that- people continue to bash them.

    Why did the others like Gambhir, Sehwag and Yuvraj fail against the same attack ?

    If Ganguly has been humiliated unethically by Chappell, who is adopting the white skinned policy of divide and rule, Ganguly has done the best thing by coming out
    against this 'De Bono & in pursuit of excellence' Chappell. If he had done it discreetly with a phone call to Jaggu dada, Chappell would have been heading home after the series. Now also his back is against the wall.

    By Blogger Dennis, at 10:23  

  • Yes, Tendulkar is a Good Glue. Cricketing #s are obvious but the Glue part becomes obvious only when fray show up.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 10:32  

  • No one is "bashing" Laxman. Ganguly is being bashed not because of his batting in this match but because of his totally out-of-place comments. I would hardly call Sehwag and Gambhir's innings "failures" while Yuvraj, well, he will come good when the going gets tough.

    How do you know Chappell humiliated SG ? This is a very easy and populist and dirty card to play - the racial issue. Ganguly has completely lost control of himself or he is trying to play even dirtier politics. In either case we are better off without him

    By Blogger GK, at 10:34  

  • I guess everyone is going to clam up and say nothing. The bitterness will remain and we will be discussing/arguing the same thing once we lose the ODIs to the Proteas and the Lankans.. As a side note, did you guys/gals read Muralis statement on meeting Tarrannum and Aditya Pancholi?

    Also, the Aussies are coming apart.. lillee wants Ponting out, Taylor wants ponting in, everyone but gillespie wants gillespie out, there is a debate on whether hayden should stay or go...

    And the POMS are gloating about being number 1. And to think that we beat oz in india in 3 consecutive series (1996, 1998, 2001) and held them to a draw in the 2003-2004 series. BTW we also drew with England in England :)

    We live in inetersting times... :)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 10:38  

  • Piyush, cartan, shri

    Agree with all of you on the clamming bit- if you are going to become public with something then come out and explain otherwise its just sulking and venting.

    Dennis, please not the race card man- just to create a conroversy don't throw a white skinned vs dark skinned comment. There are enough people within the brown race questioning SG's performance and place in the team too- why drag this race issue to complicate things?

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:42  

  • Shri, what happened after 2003 all the way down hill. How can you claim number one?

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:43  

  • And for some reason you seem to be very proud of the fact that SG can make one phone call to Jaggu dada and get rid of GC- I thought this is the kind of attitude and politics we want to get rid of- not support it.

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:45  

  • First remove SG from captaincy and give him a two series as player. If he does not prove himself with bat, remove him for good. Fair enough right?

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:45  

  • Very fair Ramesh- unfortunately for some reason lot of ppl just don't even want to hear abt SG bing asked to leave- not sure why.

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:47  

  • never did Ramesh.. just laughing at all the gloating the Poms have been upto. Win one series against Oz and they have become #1.

    :))

    By Blogger SHRI, at 10:48  

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    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:50  

  • For some reason I am rooting for Pak against England- never thought that would happen (rooting for Pak I mean)- I guess it'a the love for underdogs.

    Anyone else feeling the same?

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:52  

  • Poms have a year to prove as Steve Waugh mentioned. They will tour subcontinent (pak and India) and then they will visit oz for another ahses in 18 months. If they win all three series they can claim numero uno position!

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:52  

  • If Greg Chappel really asked Ganguly to step down, he has done a great service to Indian cricket. The one fact I cannot digest withour cricketers and film stars is they don't want to accept age gracefully. For film stars, it is okay because they are not doing any thing to the nation. But Ganguly clearly wants to hold on and unable to accept his loss of form and ability. Ganguly is clearly doing a disservice to nation and setting a bad example for his successors.

    By Blogger kishor_cool, at 10:53  

  • I think it will be 1-1 draw series against pak!

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:53  

  • Yesterday I noticed good harmony among the bloggers when it came to talking about Drinks.

    and I think we should throw that in ( or pour that in)from time to time.Good for the Nerves under these trying circumstances of Indian Cricket.

    I know it is still the morning but looking ahead..Friday evening. Win is a win is a win.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 10:53  

  • In pak poms will get their own taste of medicine (reverse swing) from sami, akthar and others!

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:54  

  • This is something I have been fearing all along. Ganguly built this team .. Now he is dstroying it.

    I remember a time when Gangs was the stand in captain during the LG cup in Kenya I think and he invited the entire team to come to the podium and accept the cup as "everyone is responsible for this victory" in his words..

    And now this...

    Not that the board has been of any use with them not having the nets at Mumbai ( no practise nets available har har ) and the total lack of consistency and vision that is required to make India the best team in the world.

    Coach selection... ad hoc.. captaincy selection... ad hoc... mixed messages galore. ego pandering galore..

    Any wonder why we find ourselves in this mess?

    By Blogger SHRI, at 10:54  

  • Shri, because no body is sure of their place in the team!

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 10:56  

  • This is what Chappel had to say abt the match, controversy in a discussion at the end of the match with Harsha, Sunny and Shastri

    Harsha : Irfan Pathan, the man of the match, has a pretty good game isnt it?

    GC:Yes its a very good all round performance, He's worked very hard on all aspects of his game, fielding, batting as well as bowling. He is swinging the new ball well and he bowled a good length in this game, he felt he was little short on the first day, the second morning and the last evening, I thought he bowled pretty well

    Ravi: Greg, good performance by India to win this game, but how do you take it forward to Harare? Do you want certain things to improve even more when you go into Harare?

    GC: Yes Ravi, we have just got to keep working on those process, have to stop worrying about outcomes, you get ahead of yourself or you start falling behind yourself thinking abt how things could have been better, and I think if we can continue to get our process right, bowl the ball in the right areas, put pressure on the opposition both with the ball and in the field and put pressure on the opposition by scoring runs and running well between the wickets, these are things we are judging ourselves at the moment and we need to keep improving in those areas. Zimbabwe is an young team an inexperienced team, we will get more pressure than they were able to put on us from other teams, so we need to keep developing those process

    Harsha: And as well Greg as I suspect get rid of the irritants that can sometimes come in the way of process, that seems to the process is confined to what happens in the team meetings and on what happens on the ground, Sometimes they can be irritants to the process and we need to debug it as quickly as possible

    GC: Yeah, there are some things that you cant control obviously Harsha, what things are being said outside in the media by supporters whatever, we cant worry about that, we have to concentrate and focus on what we are doing and we are attempting to do that and hopefully get better at it.

    Harsha: Well you have never played in India Greg, but I guess the process of understanding India is well under way, having been a month and a half into this job and as you know we Indias are very passionate cricket followers and want to know everything about the side, Is there is a little reassurance that you want to give to this Indian side that look there is a lot happening there in the media, but this Indian side will continue to play the kind of cricket you wanted them to play?

    GC: Well thats what we can do, and thats what we want to do, Obviously we are happy that so many people follow the Indian team so closely but from time to time it can be intrusive if we let it and its important that we focus on what we are doing and whatever happens outside the group we cant control and we cant spend too much time worrying about, we just got make sure that we keep doing what we do as well as possible

    Harsha: Was it a bother though, the fact that somuch attention is devoted to things that happened off the field than on the field?

    GC, Oh not really, I have been thru all this stuff before Harsha, always going to be something bubbling around the place, once it gets a bit of oxygen it can take off and be blown out of all proportions, we cant worry about these things like that and get involved in it, we have to keep focusing on what we are doing.

    Harsha: And looking ahead to Harare, I know historical stats dont have too much meaning but India has never won a test match, infact lost two

    GC: Thankyou verymuch for reminding this. Obviously again we cant control what happened in the past and all we can do is look forward to whats coming up next week and prepare ourselves as well as possible, I have been very happy with the way the guys have performed, training sessions have been very good, very enthusiastic, the support staff have done a fantastic job, all in all we are doing as much as possible what we can do at the moment and we just got to keep winning, get into a habit of winning, it takes a lot of pressure off in lot of areas

    Harsha: There are a couple of aspects a lot of people in India would be focussing on in the next 3 or 4 days, is how this team get its act together because there has been a few things said in recent times by couple of lead batsmen and obviously thats not going to help matters, whats the team going to do to get everyone together, maybe just say look our job is to play cricket

    GC: Well yeah we have talked about those issues and I mean as things come up from time to time, people get frustrated, say things that perhaps they dont really mean or as important as they are made out to be, again its a matter of focussing on the process and if we can continue to have success, I think lot of these other issues just fade away

    Ravi: Greg, what time you playing golf with Sourav tomorrow

    GC: Probably in the afternoon sometime I would think

    Harsha: Did you have a long chat with him, because the way he played, bcause lot of us here have watched Sourav Ganguly bat for the last 9 years now, and hardly ever seen this kind of batting from him, grafting out 6 hrs to score a hundred, was that something you have talked about this kind of innings as well together

    GC: We have talked about a whole range of issues, including batting, captaincy and all sorts of things and we continue to talk about those things but we got to understand that Sourav was under lot of pressure and obviously he also wanted to put that pressure behind him, he worked very hard to get that hundred, I would rather look at the positives and the result of the game than get involved in anything else

    Harsha: One other thing we saw this morning is we havent seen too much of when Harbhajan got his 200th wicket is he bowled a lot more with fizz, that he bowled a lot more round the wicket , was it something you were experimenting with?

    GC: Yes we worked on those issues with Harbhajan, looking at different angles, talking to him about different angles and different batsmen and different ways to bowl, particularly when conditions arent in favor, when ball spinning a lot sometimes its good to change the angles, Yeah he is had a bit of pressure on him as well, getting the 200th wicket I think, took the pressure off a bit, I thought he bowled pretty well this morning, So I mean its a matter of confidence, continue to take wickets, if he can do that, I am sure his bowling will only get better and better

    Harsha: Ravi has talked about a round of Golf, Arun lal was here and he said you might go bungee jumping with Sourav together

    GC : Well he is on his own there, I am afraid bungee is not my go

    Harsha: Thankyou very much Greg for taking time off and congratulations on your first test win

    GC: Thankyou very much

    By Blogger Neelan, at 10:56  

  • Well said cricketip

    rum and gin on Friday evening to celebrate!!!!

    By Blogger suraj, at 10:58  

  • Dear Shri,

    We are in this mess because we clearly lack professionalism and vision and no brain in administrators' heads. We are slaves to sponsors. Does anybody in BCCI know about what team builiding is?

    By Blogger kishor_cool, at 10:58  

  • Kishore, my friend, you can not have it so easy.
    We are a nation, Indians and have certain inherent quality that makes us Indian.

    Please check how many Indian captain departed with grace or without tussel?

    Good news is, we are not the only one with such delema.

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 10:59  

  • The Pom are a pretty formidable bowling outfit. However, when they beat Pak in Pak last, they had Graham Thorpe and nasser Hussain, people who had the guts and gumption and the temprament for attrition.

    I havent yet seen anyone from the current england side who will bat with the same stickiness and gumptionas the two mentioned above..

    Shane Warne on the Trent Bridge wicket and also Edgbaston was a handful for the Poms... A three pronged spin attack like mushtaq, saqlain and kaneria will "flippin murder 'em"

    As regards India.... Irrespective of what happens between now and when the Poms visit, we will be ready for them.. If not for anything, then to prove a point..
    :)

    By Blogger SHRI, at 11:00  

  • what are your predictions for poms vs India series? Both ODI and tests?

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 11:02  

  • shri,

    seems like mushtaq and saqlain are not available because they are getting citizenship in England- somebody posted this fact yesterday

    Not sure if it's really happening though

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:02  

  • Neelan, good transcript about that chat. How did you do that?

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 11:05  

  • we play 3 tests and 7 ODIs against the Poms rite?
    In Feb?

    I would go 2-0 India in the tests and 4-3 India in the ODIs..

    KP will get a hundred in an ODI as will Flintoff.

    Ian Bell will fail spectacularly as will KP in the tests..

    And then the debate will rage on about the soft underbelly in the english middle order

    By Blogger SHRI, at 11:07  

  • cricktip, just recorded it while they were on air

    By Blogger Neelan, at 11:07  

  • I think england will win with 4-3 and india will win test series 1-0. I don't think Ian Bell will be there for that series.

    By Blogger Ramesh, at 11:08  

  • shri,

    is that analytical or sheer optimism?

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:08  

  • Yeah great transcript neelan- doesn't sound like GC thinks whatever is going on is a big deal- cool customer that one!

    By Blogger suraj, at 11:09  

  • Neelan, u r a great asset on this blog with that kind of posting.

    Yes, Suraj, GC did well. Harsha did twist and turn but never heard whatever he wanted to hear.
    Ok it is an art of journalism to get things out in the open or break a new story. But is he too preoccupied with that to the extent that he can do harm to Indian cricket?

    By Blogger CrickTip, at 11:16  

  • neelan great work man....infact....I'll post it on the blog...this is good interview...

    By Blogger worma, at 11:20  

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