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Tuesday, September 20, 2005

Ind-Zim T2 Day1 Open Thread

Right...so here comes India's chance to get a series win. Not much news about the actual game preparations doing the rounds, but SG did say the pitch looks dry and India would play the same team(2 spinners). He could be bluffing, for Curran said that the pitch would assist seamers, and isn't one to the liking of the Indians(or maybe Curran is trying to play mindgames).

For Zim, if this pitch really has any help for any seamers, it could be a chance to gain a modest advantage if they bowl first on winning the toss, with Streak being fitter than the last match.

..open thread for the day....


p.s. Did you see the Aus squad for the superseries? Some predictable, and some surprise changes. All in all, they look to be starting their experimentation with the new insertions right away. Martyn is dropped from the tests, which, though a bit surprising, is a good decision on part of CA. While he did look more comfortable than Hayden and Gilchrist (and even Katich) at the crease, the application was most noticeably missing in his game. Hodge takes his place in the middle order.

Hayden again dropped from ODI squad, which should almost be the end of his ODI prospects. He was anyway never indispensable in ODIs, and recently even more pedestrian. Gillespie and Kasper also not retained, but Hohns did say they have a chance of making a comeback if they improve.

260 Comments:

  • yeda...yes but I dont understand...if the pitch is seam friendly then why play two spinners?

    By Blogger worma, at 03:44  

  • ..or maybe the thinking is to play their best 4 bowlers..

    By Blogger worma, at 03:44  

  • yes that can be another reason :-)...Curran said that he did not think IP bowled that well, and that his batsmen did not play well enough. Lets see if they have done some homework. Btw Zim playing 3 seamers.

    By Blogger worma, at 03:48  

  • He's a seamer, test debut for him. I was thinking they would play Ireland, who was fairly impressive in the ODIs

    By Blogger worma, at 03:49  

  • Zim has added Mwayenga in... whats he? a spinner ?

    Does it really matter ?? :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 03:49  

  • Gd Morning to u as well :)

    Hey, I just wrote wot I saw on TV :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 03:52  

  • deepak it may not be the same pitch as the final. Because it was in Harare that Nz shot out Zim for udner 100 in both innings. That may also have been a diff pitch.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:01  

  • ZIM start with a 4.... next ball OUT

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:03  

  • Taylor c Dravid b Pathan

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:04  

  • 4/1 in 0.3

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:04  

  • ruchir thx mate. Cricinfo was long counting that boundary! Do give some updates when such 'events' happen :-)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:05  

  • worma:

    After I typed, sportingstreams.com lost their Sony TV feed... :-(

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:07  

  • ruchir sorry to hear that ;-)..now we sit in the same cricinfo boat.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:08  

  • SS back now... getting live feed

    Zaheer bowling... on target for now... one ball hit the batsman where it is painfull.... 2 balls after that, edge goes to 4...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:09  

  • 8/1 after 2

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:10  

  • Dada pulls the ball in right on the boundary on Yuv overthrow.... Suprise here because ganguly was not panting when he reached boundary... *just kidding)..

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:13  

  • ravi:

    Looks positive right now, as I said about dada... everyone is sharp, specially Gambhir close to the bat

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:14  

  • DAMN.. if last calling last 2 balls of Path a beauty is wrong... I don't want to be right....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:15  

  • ravi:

    ha ha ha... huddle... I don't know 'cause Sony switched to a song immediately...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:15  

  • F@#$%*.... Inside edge to 2... just missing leg stumps....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:17  

  • Pathan is so positive that he did not grimace after that inside edge... he just went back and continued...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:18  

  • sorry that was Khan

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:19  

  • ravi:

    No man, some song from a new release... :)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:20  

  • according to history, last test at this venue lasted only 2 days !!!! as shown on TV

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:21  

  • ravi:

    LOL...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:22  

  • As soon as over is complete, they started showing clips of "Jassi Jaissi Koi Nahin".... so much for replays etc....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:23  

  • Again, dada races the ball to boundary but this time Gambhir is quicker..... I feel SG is making a statement about his fitness here !!!!???? Did he read this blog yesterday ???

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:24  

  • Dada explaining something very seriously to Zaheer before his last ball.... intresting thing is that Zaheer is standing still, nodding but not looking at dada....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:27  

  • I hate to say this but ZIM just took 3 runs off Pathan because SG was running with the ball instead of picking it up. He ran with it till near the boundary and finally picked and threw...

    commentrator pointed that as soon as batsmen realized it was SG they increased their spped and converted 2 into 3...

    excellent shot next ball... 4 runs...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:30  

  • yeda...in tests he isn't so impressive in Aus...and a one-off test is not the time to try out improvement. I would still play Vaughan above him (and even Laxman) in tests. In ODIs he may have a case..because although even then he doesnt have a good record in Aus, ODIs are still more generic(not that dependent on conditions etc).

    And I think if SRT doesnt play, Vaughan would be called up for tests, Inzy for ODIs.

    Btw, when Inzy and the supporters say he should find a place, none of them name the person he should replace! Do you have someone in mind?

    By Blogger worma, at 04:31  

  • 27/1 in 7... ZIM getting confortable here....

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:31  

  • mock:

    No, we should not read anything.... I was just typing what I saw.... I lost feed for a while so I probably missed RD and ZK thing...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:33  

  • on the leg... another 4.. off Zaheer

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:35  

  • dear worma,

    reg. Inzy selection: why would his fans single out some one who should be replaced with Inzy, lest the other person's fans raise an outcry.

    BTW, what's your take on selecting 2 spinners, when they could see a seamers pitch (the apparent reason to field first).

    By Blogger Nag, at 04:37  

  • avinash, I think Gibbs has been taken in ODIs as a reserve opener (so he wont play in case SRT is playing). You have to keep the batting positions in mind too!

    Otherwise I can say that sure Inzy deserves a place above Smith in tests (Smith also doesnt have any record in Aus). But Inzy is not an opener

    By Blogger worma, at 04:37  

  • mock:

    I told you I lost the feed for a while. Anyways, Gambhir is standing right under the bat and Ganguly near 30 yards line.. Do your math who has to run more to fetch the ball !!!

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:39  

  • wasting newball these two, specially Zaheer bowling both sides mostly short no consistency . Pathan too bowling little short though he is getting shape gives time for the batsmen to leave

    By Blogger Neelan, at 04:39  

  • I also did not write that Gambhir has broken the stumps thrice and is not allowing batsman to come out of his crease...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:39  

  • I can't write everything I am seeing... my typing is not that quick...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:40  

  • mock:

    you can't stop me from writing what I want to write, can you? If you get aggravated when I write about SG, then I will do more of that to aggravate you more... :)

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:43  

  • nag, by naming the person what I meant was that Inzy and others should point out who, in the selected list, is less deserving than Inzy? And btw, what with the 'fans raising an outcry' ? Why should he care? Or atleast, why should we, over here, care? :-) Atleast we can name the person whom he should replace?

    About the two spinners, I dont know about the pitch from here..but SG did say that it looks dry...so early movement is ok, but if it has turn and bounce, its good for spinners...and as I said earlier, they have have thought of playing their best wicket takers(maybe Balaji is also not good enough to take place in a full test, they may have seen that in nets).

    Or, it could also be a defensive move, that India did not want to bat first in helpful conditions, although this looks less likely.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:43  

  • Duffin c laxman b pathan 31/2

    By Blogger Neelan, at 04:44  

  • OUT

    Duffin c Lax b Pathan... taken in front of 2nd slips...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:45  

  • Duffin gone. It looked like RDF's catch, VVS caught it. I am sure there would be some tension in the dressing room bcos of that :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:45  

  • jd yes maybe Inzy should replace Kallis in ODIs. If Kallis is not going to bowl, then surely so. Infact that will most likely happen, because if Inzy replaces SRT in the ODI squad, he surely wont open(as SRT would have). So, is likely to replace someone in the middle order. And Kallis can be the one.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:46  

  • Taibu got hurt...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:47  

  • on the chest, below rib cage.... not a bouncer but taibu bent low...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 04:47  

  • Taibu c Karthik b Pathan 31/3

    By Blogger Neelan, at 04:48  

  • Taibu gone

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:48  

  • avinash, yes Inzy is better choice than Gibbs in the middle order, although Gibbs has done well since moving down, and is ofcourse slightly better than Inzy in the field ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:50  

  • Pathan is very fair though. He has given keept, 1st and 2nd slips a catch each. Hope 3rd slip is ready now

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:50  

  • As per my earlier comment (before the test series started), IP is in full swing. Another MOM and MOS for him...

    By Blogger Madhu Rao, at 04:51  

  • Wondeful catch by Karthik Ebrahim gone

    By Blogger Neelan, at 04:53  

  • any predictions for 1st innings score?

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:53  

  • 3 wkts on 31

    From 31/1 to 31/4

    By Blogger Neelan, at 04:54  

  • yeda...I already agreed in the beginning that maybe ODIs he can fit in(although its not an automatic choice over gibbs for the middle order place). But I still feel that gibbs has been taken as a backup opener...and in case of SRT missing out, its unlikely that Sehwag and Afridi would be opening the innings(Afridi has also started coming down the order, both he and Sehwag are inconsistent at the top)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:55  

  • worma, I thought Gibbs had backed out of the series

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:56  

  • mock turtle, if cricinfo wont, Telegraph will get the story from rel sources

    By Blogger Toney, at 04:59  

  • toney you're right...i forgot...gibbs has withdrawn...that means, Inzy comes in anyway. If SRT also withdraws then Sehwag and Afridi would have to open by default (although if that fails they can make Sangakkara open)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:01  

  • mock turtle, what does that make me; Captain of the Dark-XI !!!

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:01  

  • At least I will make a better captain than the Prince himself.

    After all, the spelling of my name is longer.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 05:04  

  • sahir, I thought Sangakkara put in some very good performances for SL in the ODIs too, his selection is well deserved

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:09  

  • Probably, SG will get selected to the Masters XI if those kind of tourneys still exist

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:10  

  • blwe_torch..hmm...SG in second XI..what do you reckon?...well I think he should be in first XI ;-)...but then...thats me only. btw...I hope you guys out here are not making fun of SG 'seriously' :-))

    By Blogger worma, at 05:11  

  • Sahir, I agree, McCUllum might just be more comfortable playing on the bouncier pitches too

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:14  

  • mock...he would bowl one ineffective over...then quickly bring in the spinners...did you notice he did exactly that in the ODI as well as the first test!

    By Blogger worma, at 05:15  

  • worma, SG's getting a little movement, he'll bowl another couple of overs

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:17  

  • Sahir/anybody who saw from the beginning,
    If the team went in with just 2 seamers, why did they bowl first?

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:17  

  • I just noticed...SG bowled the first no ball of the innings...that means the pacers bowled 15 overs with a single NO ball!..thats a huge improvement..does look like GC is making them do the homework

    By Blogger worma, at 05:18  

  • jiet, but didnt they consider the possibility of winning the toss? :) Going in with two spinners, so they could have batted first anyhow when the toss was won

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:20  

  • sahir I dont know if Ravi's point is valid about selectorial gumption...I mean we keep making that kind of decision(dropping one spinner) almost every ODI...and even in tests...we have been doing it regularly outside the subcontinent, isn't that so? I think these were just four most effective strike bowlers, and hence chosen for that reason(even if the reasoning is wrong)

    By Blogger worma, at 05:20  

  • I think AK might bowl seam-up for the first couple of overs

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:20  

  • sahir, thats my point. When you look to bowl first, you take in 3 seamers, win the toss or not

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:22  

  • dadagiri, you serious? Not a valid argument at all, which is more impt, getting the team right or pleasing all quarters?

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:26  

  • yup, jd. Thats assuming they didnt make concessions based on satisfying everyone, as dadagiri said

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:33  

  • dadagiri,
    it could be a case of not wanting to drop HS and keeping AK in the team too. With his current situation, he doesnt want to create new enemies

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:39  

  • LOL ddg...

    By Blogger Toney, at 05:42  

  • toney, dadagiri...do you think GC, knowing what he is capable of 'suggesting', would allow playing two spinners if its for non-cricketing reasons?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:47  

  • dadagiri, I feel that taking a softer stand in public is one thing...and actually going soft on the game aspects is totally another. GC doesn't look like he would compromise on the game aspect, even at this stage(after all, he wouldn't be making an assuault on SG's position if he wants 1 spinner)...or maybe he did suggest, after all captain's word is final. Btw, which one do you think we should have dropped?

    By Blogger worma, at 05:57  

  • I believe most of the people discussing cricket here are in the US..

    Just curious to know..What motivates you people to stay awake at this uneartly hour to watch the great encounter between Ind and Zim....

    I can understand Ind Vs AUS/PAK/ENG etc...but Zimbabwe series.....Plz enlighten me..I am all ears

    Again, No offence intended to anyone :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 05:58  

  • blwe_torch...yes thats my point, I think they went for the safer approach of taking 4 reasonably in-form players rather than gambling on a new one...in a crucial match (even if against a weak opposition). Now why they bowled first, only they would know. But those watching the game, did SG say something after winning the toss??

    By Blogger worma, at 05:59  

  • Me too had my lunch just now...Hyderabad Buryani....BURP.......

    Nothing can beat it :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:10  

  • sure mate.. I work at Deloitte Consulting, Hyderabad. can i post my mail id here ???

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:12  

  • Kansultant,

    good to know that you are from Hyderabad. Any more Hyderabadis here please?

    By Blogger Nag, at 06:28  

  • Haven't seen her pictures but they way you guys describe her, she seems like a 'bar-bar' girl.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:48  

  • I cud see Tarannum only with a Burkha on :(

    Someone please do the favours :)

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 06:51  

  • Now we know how interesting this game of cricket is.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 06:57  

  • that is actress tamanna check this link http://www.idlebrain.com/movie/photogallery/tamanna1.html

    By Blogger Kh0Pdi, at 06:58  

  • oops.. my first comment here and that too on non cricketing stuff.. sorry ;o))

    By Blogger Kh0Pdi, at 07:00  

  • Thanx Uncle Google....This is Tarannum

    http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=14593&n_tit=Mumbai%3A+Dance+Bar+Girl+Tarannum+Arrested

    Me not impressed :(

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 07:17  

  • If RD and SG are in the crease at tyhe same time, then one will try to get the other run out.

    Which one? That's the question. :)

    Hi guys, just joined in. A Hyderabadi living in Malaysia. 7.45 pm is my time here.

    Shakeel

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 07:52  

  • ohh...back from meeting..and what...Zim wrapped up :-)....and I see bhajji got some of his own style of tailender-special treatment!...Pathan looks like doing a Hayden(against Zim) with the ball...he can break bhajji's record of max wkts in a 3 series game(32)...had 16 in 3 innings...(that just puts in perspective what kind of havoc bhajji caused...imagine this kind of run-through against Aus!)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:05  

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    By Blogger worma, at 08:05  

  • oops..forgot...this if two game series ;)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:06  

  • jd..also Warne took 26 in 3 match series in Eng, Murali took 29.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:10  

  • aaghh...I mean in SL

    By Blogger worma, at 08:10  

  • desichap..yup ;)..just fetched some coffee...can't afford to do the same while following the match..right!

    jd..I think he took 4 in first innings in Mumbai test

    By Blogger worma, at 08:14  

  • Sehwag fending deliveries against Mahwire.....What's going on ???....Is it really as bad as Cricinfo portrays it to be

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 08:15  

  • kansultant I think Sehwag is playing for a century this time. He may also have some public 'outburst' due ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 08:17  

  • desichap, we're talking about the 2001 series...then he had a 4-fer in the first innings..

    By Blogger worma, at 08:20  

  • bulchee...he had a good first game against Aus A(White)...any idea how he fared in the whole series?

    By Blogger worma, at 08:36  

  • deepak...or an orange to orange comparison would be Warne in India ;-)...no but why compare? Bhajji is nowhere close to Warne. No doubts. But his achievement in that series is still special.

    By Blogger worma, at 08:41  

  • bulchee - The super series selection shows why Aus won't fall like the WI because they give proven performers enough of a run but will prune the team to move forward. BTW Hussey is not going to be the Hayden replacement because Hyaden is dropped from the ODI team only where Hussey already had a spot. I think Watson or Hopes will come into the ODI team with Clarke moving to the opener slot where he did well in the VB series earlier this year. In the test team martyn is the one given the axe and there I think again Watson or Hodge will get in depending on whether they want the fifth bowling option. I read a great article on White recently where he was talked about highly as a good spin bowling allround option and a future captain prospect.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 08:42  

  • On the Harbhajan debate how long can he live off performance in one series. Shall we keep talking about and keeping him in the team because he won one series (albeit an important one) four years ago?

    And lets not get carried away with the Bhajji - Warne comparison. You have to compare like with like. Warne may not have done well on turning Indian tracks because he has to bowl to Indian batsman. Bhajji does not. If Warne bowled to the Aussie batsman in 2001 he may have gotten 32 wickets in three tests or even more!!

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 08:51  

  • gopal....even if Bhajji doesnt take a single more wkt and gets thrown out of the team...that series performance would still remain...as a standalone entity in itself..special.

    And dude, who compared bhajji with warne?

    And btw, without going into any comparisons....that logic about Warne bowling to Indian batsmen hence unsuccessful...that kind of logic doesnt fly dude. I can say that this Aus team is great because they never had to face McGrath Gillespie Warne in full flow. So they are not great...

    By Blogger worma, at 08:59  

  • sriram, L Siav had dope problems?

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:13  

  • Obviously Mau_tor leads an envious life: commenting on comments on meaningless performances.

    I wish my life could be that meaningful... sigh.

    By Blogger i, at 09:16  

  • vick, that was funny. I think I could give you a run for your money too. In fact,I am sure there would be lots of wonderful off spinners around if we all could chuck like Murali

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:17  

  • Don't worry dude. Ah gotta life, and it's chilled. But some dudes got to learn to ease of the caps.

    By Blogger i, at 09:21  

  • LATEST NEWS FLASH.....

    According to news agencies, the whole Zimbabwean team is going to resign at the end of the current series. No international cricket will be played by or in Zimbabwe after the current test series is over. ......When asked about the reason for the action, President Mugabe said "It is a great loss for the country of Zimbabwe. Not only the cricket team, but the entire nation is demoralized. We could have easily continued playing cricket after losing to any country in the world, but the shock of watching India's captain Sourav Ganguly make a hundred against us was too much to bear. That is all I have to say."

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 09:21  

  • Kansultant: Funny. One track, but funny.

    By Blogger i, at 09:23  

  • Thats sad abt Siva.. I do remember something abt him. Didnt SRT "customize" some practice pitches in Chennai and make Siva bowl outside the legstump prior to the 98 Ind-Aus series?

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:23  

  • that was a poor decision, I thought

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:25  

  • Ravi,
    He had a stint as commentator (on DD??) a couple of years ago. I wonder what it would take to revive the interest in spin in India. Whatever people say, when a team tours India, a couple of good spinners are all that we need to give the opposition sleepless nights :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:30  

  • toney..there is enough interest in spin in India I think? No special academy....maybe that would help

    By Blogger worma, at 09:32  

  • good bowling by Streak, giving RD a difficult time

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:33  

  • worma - just read your comment about Warne bowling to Indian Batsman and Aussie not facing their own bowlers and your point as always is well taken. I remenber Sir Viv being asked once if he would have been as successful if he had to face the WI battery of bowlers and he said yes (as expected) but he seemed to hedge.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 09:33  

  • worma, something gives me the impression that everyone is fixated on pace bowling. And how many good young spinners are making a name for themselves at the first class level in INdia now?

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:34  

  • well guys, here is something to keep you all interested.

    Discounting games played in Zim/Bangladesh & Sharjah, in all the Tests played in this Decade:

    1. Games played in India have the 2nd lowest runrate (3.03) slightly ahead of West Indies (2.98). England (3.45) & Australia (3.35) lead the list.

    2. Games played in India have the worst strike-rates for the bowlers (72.46) while England (59.65) and Australia (62.12) lead the list.

    3. However, Batsmen playing in India enjoy the best average (runs/wicket) at 36.57 whereas New Zeland (33.58) and Sri Lanka (32.05) seem to be the least friendly places to make runs...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 09:34  

  • toney/worma - wasn't Gavaskar supposed to head a task force to look for young Indian spinners? I think he was on the job (or not on the job) for 6 months or so when he said something like - I don't have time for this now - maybe that should be resurrected headed by someone who has the time?

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 09:38  

  • Actually there is a spin academy of sorts, right? I remember reading something about setting up something to that effect, getting the great spinners from 70s into the fray and so on. Can anyone confirm on that?

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:38  

  • toney, I think its mainly because in our national team there is not enough space...we aren't seeing new faces here. I think GC should rectify that. But otherwise in domestic competition its not as bad. Still, to some extent, you are right, there is a feeling that we need to do well in pace department(in battting and bowling)...but shud keep in mind that spin is our winning forte.....as bhajji said in his recent interview.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:38  

  • Yeah, gopal. I too remember something like that. Funny abt SG not having time. I guess his main problem might have been monetary reasons

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:39  

  • yep gopal...they shud get a permanent full time figure there. We have so many free people from our past spin bunch....and toney I think that spin academy was a temporary thing? Is it there as a permanent fixture? Maybe within NCA?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:40  

  • Speaking abt the great spinners, Prem mentioned the other day abt Prassanna's greed. He was supposed to have demanded a huge sum of money by the hr from Bajji for personal consulting :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:40  

  • sriram, who is SS? Ramesh?
    No offense meant but everyone from Chennai seems to know Badani well. I had a friend in INdia who said he was very close to Badani.
    By the way, the name Badani seems more North Indian than Tamil. Is Badani originally from somewhere else?

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:43  

  • I remember LS had his best overseas series in Aus in the test and the World Championship in 84/85 when Prasanna was the Indian coach and he mentioned that having Pras there really helped him. This is in contrast to the comment from Prem toney is talking about.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 09:43  

  • mayur, I think this was the pre-Aus tour in2001 when HS was just another struggling cricketer. Agreed abt the different income levels but dont think Prasanna asked this from HS anytime recently

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:45  

  • gopal, prem said that prasanna demanded 1500 Rs/hr for helping bhajji...doesnt mean he's a bad coach....or even a bad person :-)...

    By Blogger worma, at 09:46  

  • yes toney...bhajji is right to claim that past great dont help him (as in..when media says he's too arrogant to go for help...they are not implying paid help...they are implying past great are there to help the country..no-one comes to them)..and same way prasanna cannot be included in the list of past greats who are ready to help but no-one comes to them.
    But sure Prasanna is within his rights to demand a fee off bhajji! I dont think Jenner would be coaching Warne for free, would he? maybe one-off help with something...but not regularly surely?

    By Blogger worma, at 09:48  

  • toney/worma - while Pras's comment maybe have been a bit shocking I understand it. The cricketers from the previous generation are a bit put off that cricketers make so much more then they used to and so if the young guys want some help they should fork over some of that dough. Ofcourse you may have read how Pras's (and my) fellow Bangaloreite Chandra is almost penniless.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 09:49  

  • I was just trying to look up Prem's comments on the Prasanna-HS thing, couldnt find it. Thanks, worma

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:50  

  • yes I know about Chandra gopal...totally understand their need to make money.

    By Blogger worma, at 09:51  

  • Agreed abt Prasanna being within his rights to demand money. I dont know abt Jenner and Warne, though chances are, those are not free sessions.

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:53  

  • Mayur, from what I knew, I think Badani grew up in Chennai. Dont think he relocated to Chenai for cricketing reasons

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:54  

  • BTW - someone who is watching live should comment GG seems to be cutting loose.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 09:54  

  • Abt GG, I do have a feeling his technique is a bit loose, especially when there's a little help for the quicker bowlers. But then, Anwar, SG all had this same problem...

    By Blogger Toney, at 09:56  

  • Couldnt stop resisting posting this one :)

    Kaif suporters Burn Ganguly's Effigy

    http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/$All/3C37C3117EB56B79652570820049B974?OpenDocument

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 09:58  

  • Yeah, Zim didnt really pitch it short enough for the pull/hook but from memory, he loves the shots.

    Kansultant, I am sure Bengalis would burn a Kaif effigy in protest :-). By the way, were any of those people the same ones who pelted Kaif's house with stones and painted it black during the last WC?

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:01  

  • What crap is this in cricinfo..

    Dravid leaves that well alone to the keeper, he likes to get his eye in early on, a Tendulkar mighht well have gone after that and put it away in style

    By Blogger Kansultant, at 10:03  

  • kansultant, I think the cricinfo commentators are getting bored, so they need to amuse themselves too...

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:04  

  • cricktip, our expectations for RD are very low when compared to those for SG, hence the patience :-)

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:05  

  • yeah cricktip who does RD think he is playing so slowly? That's SG's job!! Just kidding cricktip, :-) I know SG's your guy :-).

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:07  

  • jgohill, think RD heard you...4

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:08  

  • LATEST NEWS FLASH.....
    According to news agencies, the whole Zimbabwean team is going to resign at the end of the current series. No international cricket will be played by or in Zimbabwe after the current test series is over. The Zimbabwe Cricket Union (ZCU) will also be dissolved. Zimbabwean cricket captain Tatenda Taibu and senior member Heath Streak were unable for comment when contacted by Reuters. President of Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe described the decision to dissolve ZCU as "a sad day for Zimbabwe cricket". When asked about the reason for the action, President Mugabe said "It is a great loss for the country of Zimbabwe. Not only the cricket team, but the entire nation is demoralized. We could have easily continued playing cricket after losing to any country in the world, but the shock of watching India's captain Sourav Ganguly make a hundred against us was too much to bear. That is all I have to say."

    .. a very sad day indeed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:13  

  • but Prem...this is an important match!...we can try for that series win :)

    By Blogger worma, at 10:18  

  • good morning Prem

    Shakeel

    By Blogger Shakeel Abedi, at 10:19  

  • But Prem .... we're winning an overseas series ... it's crucial ... ummm, just kidding. Just following it as usual at work, while pretending to work!

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:21  

  • hey Prem, so you are telling us you didnt wake up to see tis historical event?

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:21  

  • The cricinfo guy is more bored than the handful of spectators I'm sure. Someone watching live should comment on how many people are in the stands.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:27  

  • I wonder why Ruchir has not been to this blog the last couple of days. I mean, just because some guys abused him doesnt mean that he has to stay away...

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:30  

  • BTW where is ruchir today? no one verbalized my anti-SG feelings as he did. The thread is just no fun without him and every SG supporter bashing him :-)))

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:30  

  • jgohill, you over-estimate yourself :)

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:32  

  • Morning prem.

    Guess you got the sixth innings defeat bit wrong. Remember they beat & drew with Bangladesh in between :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:34  

  • Loved this comment from Ruchir

    Ruchir Joshi said...
    Dada pulls the ball in right on the boundary on Yuv overthrow.... Suprise here because ganguly was not panting when he reached boundary... *just kidding)..

    Ruchir, we all miss you, come back

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:37  

  • Read this bit by David Runciman today.

    "Yet the rise of India as the centre of the cricketing world does not bode well for test cricket, for the simple reason that in India the one-day game remains much more popular. Most Indian cricket fans would far rather their team win the next World Cup than that they become the number one team in test cricket."

    Guess he has not been to this blog...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:38  

  • Read this bit by David Runciman today.

    "Yet the rise of India as the centre of the cricketing world does not bode well for test cricket, for the simple reason that in India the one-day game remains much more popular. Most Indian cricket fans would far rather their team win the next World Cup than that they become the number one team in test cricket."

    Guess he has not been to this blog...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:38  

  • saurabh...but isnt it true that their previous two series were SA, Nz, and this one (although SA was in SA)...and that would make it six in a row?

    By Blogger worma, at 10:38  

  • saurabh, Guess this Runciman hasnt been to the good test grounds in INdia either...

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:40  

  • tombaan, we tried. Bangladesh refused the offer politely

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:40  

  • LOL tombaan, you should be running for the BCCI President in tomorrow elections with excellent ideas like that.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:41  

  • toney...well I know we all like test matches so much....but we are die-hard cricket fans here. Out test matches are 'usually' not full capacity. And our ODIs are always overpacked. Same goes for the tv ratings in ODIs and tests. Even the commercial value of ODIs is more(ad money in terms of per min charges etc)....all in all aam junta in India still flocks more to ODIs.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:43  

  • BTW there has not been much discussion of the BCCI election but IF Pawar does run and is able to manuver a win will that bring the JD/SG house crumbling down? Not saying Pawar will be better than JD/Mahendra but different.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:45  

  • worma, agreed abt more interest in ODIs. Doesnt mean tests are not popular at all, right? Especially when you consider how Pakis approach test matches. The grounds are nearly empty there.

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:45  

  • toney, yes they are popular alright..but only relatively so. I wouldnt say we are much worse than most of the world in test popularity. But still...nowhere close to ODIs....so atleast his statement that most Indians would take WC win over test win is correct.

    By Blogger worma, at 10:47  

  • vick - cricinfo has the schedule only for the Challenger Trophy so far.

    http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/IND_LOCAL/CHLNGR/

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:47  

  • yep prem, Home series it is.

    Actually thet did did go to South Africa as well. And lost!

    Anyway, what the hell! Bottom line, they should not be playing Test cricket...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 10:47  

  • Somebody asked abt GG playing the pull shot-he played one now

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:49  

  • yesterday, I read on this blog that Pawar had backed out of the election. Any confirmation on that?

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:50  

  • GG seems to be in an Anwar like mood now

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:52  

  • tombaan, I said this once before. India tried donating SG to Bangaldesh, they refused the offer

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:52  

  • GG seems El Fuego (spanish for on fire) I know this match doesn't mean much but for a guy like GG to get a big score will go a long way.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:54  

  • thanks for the info, jeetu. Exactly when did L Siva retre from first class cricket though? Interesting bit about his height...

    By Blogger Toney, at 10:56  

  • About the cricinfo commentary, does anyone have any insights as to where the commentators are? At the ground? In India watching on the Telly?

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:57  

  • Prem....ok lets come to my favourite topic then - anything non SG ;-)....what about the game today? U watching? Why the heck are we making easy runs, I thought this was a helpful pitch? Or isnt it? People here have been asking about playing two spinners also...and I thought we played our best four. What say?

    By Blogger worma, at 10:58  

  • tombaan,, to Jaggu's credit, he brought in GC, right?
    Prem, any idea if Chopra is still in the scheme of things?

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:01  

  • flute...not starting an SG thread now, but maybe someday we will discuss why atleast I support SG...actually you may find it many many times in my comments (even yesterday)...the reasons are 100% related to cricket...and the best possible combination(IMO, ofcourse) for the Indian team

    By Blogger worma, at 11:02  

  • Suraj, AA's wife would be my guess. He had a kid too recently

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:03  

  • vick - I'm in the dark but want to be enlightened, please point me to the Rediff article regarding this.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 11:08  

  • Prem..yes ofcourse our approach to this series has been of 'safety first'...but cant blame them...havent had a good start of the season...what with on and off field things...last thing they can afford is to have a potential disastor..which even a draw would be. So...instead of going all macho, they are trying to have a safe and sound...comfortable win. I don't think we would have played them like this in the middle of any of our past couple of seasons (when we were fairly well in terms of test momentum). Therefore...not fair to compare with Eng....who are probably enjoying their best peak in test cricket right now

    By Blogger worma, at 11:09  

  • super shot from GG through xtra covers..
    gopal, read b/w the lines (vick's post)

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:10  

  • suraj, yes that tentativeness (for not being ruthless) is in everyone's mind...as I wrote in one of the pre-match posts...almost all players here have come here with a 'story' of their own...no one is sitting pretty in his position...not atleat the batting lineup.

    mayur, yeah I know SG commented on the dry pitch..(I wrote that in the main post:-)...yet chosing to bowl first put some of us here in doubt

    By Blogger worma, at 11:11  

  • toney - I read something in between the lines of vick's post but am thristing for the whole story :-).

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 11:13  

  • Prem..about AA...if I am not mistaken I think in the past one year he has constantly been there in the team, not so much in the playing XI (which has more to do with others leap frogging him in atleast immediate form)...SL series recently was an exception(and he even mentioned that he was surprised not to be there?)...but again recalled. So he has been there for atleast past 1-1.5 year. In fact before the Aus tour, there was a significant dip in his 'appearances' for the team..

    By Blogger worma, at 11:15  

  • Prem - You are getting in to the Sun Tzu - Art of war territory. This reminds me of John Buchannan and Phil Jackson. The art of successful of teams. I think the Indian team need to be thinking on the lines you are saying but unfortunately politics keeps getting in the way.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 11:17  

  • shri, the SLans had no intention of making a result out of that match, better not bring that up

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:18  

  • prem..the kind of 'moving beyond individual worries to work for team' stage comes only after crossing a few idividual hurdles...some of the current members are new (like GG, Yuv) so havent reached there...while some others like VS, RD, SG, VVS etc have other demons to fight. As I said earlier, this is probably not our best performance against Zim....had we met them in the middle of a test season...probably it would have been better. But then again, atleast I'm happy that we started the season against them.

    By Blogger worma, at 11:19  

  • Prem....adding to what i just said....do you expect this team to play, not at this stage, as they would by the end of this season(if hopefully things are on track) against Eng ?

    By Blogger worma, at 11:21  

  • worma,
    had we met them in the middle of a test season...probably it would have been better.
    I see that you have mentioned the rustiness of Indian team at the start of a tour several times. Actually, thats no excuse. We dont see other teams strugglying similarily at the start of a season

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:22  

  • jd anandapadhmanabhan was as great as Warnie...only on Victoria College Ground though ;-) (p.s. thats a joke I heard from some of my mallu friends)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:23  

  • toney...yep they do mate. Check out what SL did against WI in recent tests. Check out what they are doing against Bangladesh now!! (they were 40 odd for 4 down today!...first match was equally bad)....so they all struggle. Then again, I am not saying that we cannot start a season well....but you have to keep in mind how we ended it, and how we started our SL series etc. Still....I dont think we see our test performance here as 'rusty' exactly. Its a little cautious.....thats all.

    By Blogger worma, at 11:26  

  • tombaan,
    anandap.. was a decent batsman too, at least in first class cricket

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:26  

  • I'm sorry, but am I missing something here? What's wrong with putting out information if it is true (tabloid style or not)? I assume everyone in this blog is reading in a free country you read something if you like it and not if you don't.

    By Blogger Gopal Bhagavatula, at 11:34  

  • Prem...when we came back from that successful tour of Aus and Pak....then if this Zim had visited us...we would have had no excuse for being ruthless.

    My point being....Eng are current at 'that' stage of their team progress curve....and we have slipped since then.

    By Blogger worma, at 11:35  

  • gopal, seems like some of the guys here have set very high standards for themselves, good for them. PLease spare the rest of us, sinners though

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:37  

  • flute, very valid point that Prem should ignore mock.
    I wonder where the rest of these guys are, seems like they are few in number ever since the happenings off field in Zim

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:39  

  • Prem,
    Speaking of Kamblie (and just his batting), do you think he had a more serious problem than say what SG is encoutering with the short ball? I remember (think 1994) WI series in India where he seemed to be exposed the first time. Then, it seems compounded with several non cricketing reasons, a freak ankle injury etc, he never made it back permanently...

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:41  

  • suraj...good to agree but on that '10 player' theory you are on your own ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 11:42  

  • Prem, agree with you about the run-rate against minnows. I had raised this point in the previous blog as well.

    We need to make a statement whenever we have the oppurtunity;

    Remember how England trounced Bangladesh before the Ashes? Mercilessly, with no sympathy or respect. If they wanted, they could have played extra cautiously, just to be sure they don't lose and embarrass themselves. Doubt they would have won the Ashes with that mindset.

    I am sure Bashar's statement that "We found England tougher that Australia" much have had some psychological impact on the English (and Aussie) players when they met a few weeks later...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 11:44  

  • shri, I think we should make sure that every goround that Eng play on is a Mumbai :) Just kidding
    But I am really looking forward to see at least one so called minefield and England's reaction to it

    By Blogger Toney, at 11:52  

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