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Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Ind-Zim T2 Day2 - Open Thread

So...India comfortably placed as of now. Lets see if Yuv and Karthik get a chance to bat, for they can certainly do with a decent hit in the middle. If we don't have a mid innings hiccup like last game(where 3 wkts fell relatively quickly) then India might already have a big lead by tea time, and can look to declare even before end of the day today. Especially if GG stays a while beyond his ton.

Open thread for the days play...


Some news bits...Sachin would not go for Super Series...Inzy might get his chance to refuse after all :-)

Flintoff reveals, in his upcoming book, that he was "shot at" during an ODI in Delhi! Intriguing...what he says about these 'pellets' which he found. Anyone knows more?

And one last bit....I'm sure most of you have seen this story, it appeared in all the media channels since yesterday(e.g. check out here, here and here)...but this one chooses to have the most...umm...'interesting' title. No comments.

707 Comments:

  • Worma..Jounalists at play.Let's ignore on get on with what would probably be a run feast day

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 03:57  

  • Interesting title indeed but I agree with Sachin entirely. What happens in the dressing room must stay there. And that applies to all the 'sources' that Prem has...

    On the same note, I am a bit dissapointed that Flintoff has come out with his autobiography while he is still playing as I am sure it will open a can of worms as well (already his statement about Hussain's captaincy has made headlines)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 03:59  

  • saurabh, very good point. this was what gavaskar was addressing yesterday and said that these slimy "sources" are the real trouble makers and should be eradicated.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:01  

  • Mock..easier said than done.It is inherent is some people to be slimy(intentional or unintentional).We need to learn to live with that

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:08  

  • i think no paper/website should cite a "source" unless they can name that source (yes, this includes LP Sahi). it is a very convenient tool to say whatever one wants - just blame a "reliable source".

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:10  

  • And that applies to all the 'sources' that Prem has...

    Completely agree. That's what I was telling Prem when he told me that he'd get to know within a few days from his 'sources' in the team what really happened between SG and GC. And yet quite a few people including Prem have believed the theory that the story of one senior bowler leaking this to the media was untrue and it was SG who brought this up. Wonder why though. Why rule it out when we know for sure that these journalists have their moles inside the team? At the same time, brand LP Sahi as SG's mouthpiece, but the ones who writes anti-SG and have been doing this for quite sometime are telling us the gospel truth. Never believed in this weird theory.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:10  

  • Ravi, the problem lies with us as well.

    The fact is we want guys like Prem to tell us all about who said what to who and when!

    And they just oblige...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:11  

  • Gambhir gone guys. Missed a well deserbed century.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:13  

  • should be 'deserved'. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:13  

  • There are two sides to a coin.Let's look at the interesting anecdotes that Prem is able to give us and leave the rest behind.Was not the Joel Garner thing a 'ripper'.I would anyday spend time listening to things like that and the insides on the SG-RD-SRT combine.Makes one feel good to realize that the camaderie exists among people who are stars in their own right

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:14  

  • VVS introudces himself as RHB and RH off-break bowler. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:14  

  • i don't particularly care for any of the tidbits provided by Prem or anyone else. I think it is quite unethical for (1) the source to leak info with his anonymity assured (2) the journos to quote it when convenient.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:15  

  • Dadagiri..For a brief second thot u were a 'bong':D

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:15  

  • positive/harmless stories or cricketing insights are always good to read but anything that is malicious should be backed by proper proof. anyway, it is all a dirty game and as readers, we should be smart ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:17  

  • Ravi, It's not up to us to filter that stuff; the responsibility lies with the journalists...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:19  

  • mock turtle, well said...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:19  

  • That's the ideal scenario ravi, but a whole bunch of people will believe every word Prem has to say. Then it creates ptoblems.

    Look at the two issues he commented on yesterday. One if the SG-AA nexus and the other is the DDG connection. Now on the first case, he starts out saying

    Did he favor players? Of *course* he did -- not all favoritism is zonal, mind; for reasons of his own (read film gossip, you will probably figure why) there was a period when he was single handedly backing Agarkar for a slot in the side when the selectors wanted him out.

    But when I started asking him questions about how come AA still continues to be in the team, he later changed it to

    dadagiri: but that is the thing. I never, even in yesterday's post, mentioned it was a mathematical equation, and that it was the only reason. I said, sometimes, you see linkups within the team members, in strange ways

    If it's just a speculation, then why start with 'of course he favored players' and give that example? Yes, SG favored players, the ones he believed in. Every captain does, some to a large extent and some to a lesser extent. Imran belonged to the first category.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:20  

  • Saurabh..Disagree..Journos are paid to write.Good or bad depends on who is reading it.They will not pick 'n choose their readers.We have to pick and choose the kind of reading we need to do

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:21  

  • Considering how judicious Gautam Gambhir was to goo length deliveries outside the off stump last night, the shot to get himself out this was mornign was very loose. The young man has got to learn to make the very most of his opportunities. Facing an attack of this quality, with all the time in the world, a double century was certainly there for the taking.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:23  

  • I always think reading Prem's comments is a bit like reading Dan Brown's Da vinci code.

    You get so impressed with his authority over the subject, the you fail to see when fact becomes fiction :-)

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:23  

  • "goo" should be good above

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:23  

  • Ravi,
    Agree ..
    If th jornos don't bring the negative things out... U may never get to know of them .... even if they r directly / indirectly affecting u...

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:24  

  • As long as the journos write something that's close to the truth, it should be fine. Just don't make it a 'Stardust' type journalism !!

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:24  

  • dadagiri...let me jump here in this discussion. I think I agreed with you on this one, when arguing with Prem...and I in fact gave the Imran example also....but I dont think Prem ever implied that *for sure* there was something fishy in AA selection or DD selection....he said that he, and other journalists, do know these...and some of them choose to 'assume' that there is such connection....and form opinions about players like SG accordingly.....and then there opinions start coming out in their articles....which may be the case in some stories today. While the thing with Prem....I dont think 'officially' he ever did an unbalanced piece on any cricketer? Or do you have some example?....what he says here is just the journalistic 'raw material' what many in his profession use (people like him use it wisely)....so lets not impose the 'rules of the game' here

    By Blogger worma, at 04:25  

  • Ravi, I rephrase; "The responsibility lies with the GOOD journalists"

    I rate Prem as good (hence we are all here). But (as per my previous comment), he should not misuse his position because I know some guys who trust his opinions blindly...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:26  

  • Yeda,
    I don't mind if the journos bring out both positive and negative things as long as both are 'facts'. Fictions should be avoided, at least in Sports journalism.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:26  

  • My gut feel...Lax will not cross 20 in this innings

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:27  

  • looks like Sahir is fighting a losing battle trying to keep the focus on the cricket. Not that this game is interesting...

    What's the score guys?

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:28  

  • well, when SG was at the top, would anyone have dared print such stories? the backlash from the readers would have been huge. now that SG is down and almost out, all comments are considered "fair game" because the writer is assured of a sympathetic audience. give a dog a bad name etc.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:28  

  • and Saurabh...about reading Prem's comment...well that depends on how you judge people....I tend to enjoy everything...and add up pieces myself....for example I never agreed with him on the AA opinion he offered...and even he never insisted that its necessarily true....simply that thats what he knew..and that was being talked about in his cricles...ofcourse there is no proof so he could be wrong...and I think he would accept it that he 'could' be wrong on it....I'm not trying to defend him :-)...have my fair share of disagreements....just saying that in such forums....why do you want to believe everything that ANYONE writes (be it prem or someone else)...

    By Blogger worma, at 04:28  

  • Dadagiri,
    How do u filter out the negative things which are not fact? ... Can you tell me in this particular SG-GC episode... which negative thing is fact and which is not?... My dear...you can't prove everything in this world... but there may b others who can prove it for u... but u need to bring it up first.

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:29  

  • Worma,
    Not sure how you interpreted his comments on these two issues. I saved his posts and that's why I could cut and paste his comments in my post today. When he started by saying 'of course', to me it appeared as if he was implying that Ganguly favored players based on non-cricketing grounds. I mean think about it, why else would he say it? Of course there's no harm if a captain backs a player because he believes on his abilities. Right?

    About the last part of your comment, don't want to get there. Let's just say I prefer Prem when he discusses cricket in general. His match reports were too good. I don't quite like his cricketer specific columns/discussions.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:32  

  • "Saurabh Wahi said...
    Ravi, I rephrase; "The responsibility lies with the GOOD journalists"

    I rate Prem as good (hence we are all here). But (as per my previous comment), he should not misuse his position because I know some guys who trust his opinions blindly..."

    Saurabh...Again it is up to the individual concerned.And people will have diametrically opposite views.If one does not think thru' an article and believes anything that is written there...well ..that is what I term as "mob-mentality".But, most of us in this blog clearly differentiate the wheat from the chaff

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:32  

  • Worma, my favourite cricket writer is Simon Hughes (the Channel4 analyst) becuase he sticks to cricket and not the hype or politics of cricket.

    When Prem talks about the game, he comes very close to him (His analysis of Bajj's bowling was a treat).

    The problem with Prem is that every now and then (more often then he should), he diverts and starts talking about the 'Politics of cricket' and that's when I "switch off".

    But I guess it's personal opinion.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:35  

  • Mock,
    I don't agree on that front... I distinctly remember articles from Prem and Faisal ... questioning the inclusion of DD for the Aus tour? All issues were raised but not the SG connection ... and thats very understandably.. U can't write about it in news..without getting into contro.. and there was no such blog at that moment... but most of the ournos might hv talked the saem during their private conconversations

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:35  

  • Yeda,
    That's why I'll wait and see what comes out. It's too early to decide either way what are facts and what are fictions on the GC-SG issue. There are so many reports, and then some denials. It's crazy. I don't think at this point, anyone can prove anything. That will be just another speculation.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:36  

  • Fresh from a century,Lax has played out 15 balls without scoring.Not to rake this up..but dread to think of SG in a similar position.God save ..

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:36  

  • Journos are all power and no responsibility and they can play with people’s minds. They have the greatest responsibility in a democracy or free society to use their powers appropriately. It is mostly not the case though and all journos are like mazdoor union workers, whatever the infighting between union members and different unions to outsiders they always present a unified face and fight it against outsiders out together. Why you ask any journo about paparazzi and most would not out rightly condemn it. They are extremely good with words also and they would play with words till they gave you a set of statements that had infinite interpretations!!!!

    BTW SG and VVS must consolidate on their knocks the last game here with another century each, any batsmen who is not able to get to a century against this attack must feel he has missed out big time, I guess in VS defense though he got a bad decision and GG was darn unlucky, almost made it there

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:37  

  • dadagiri...atleast I looked at it this way....he gave us the 'raw material' that many in his profession have access to- in this case it was teh gf connection of SG and AA- and then disclosed the 'obvious' conclusion that many(including him) drew from that material. I, and you also, disagreed with the conclusion...in this case that was also prem's personal opinion(I got the impression that even he wasnt having a well formed opinion on this, but lets say even if he does). So what is the big deal? He has an opinion which we disagree with, but atleast he didn't manipulate the facts...right? The opinion part is not something on which you would ALWAYS agree with anyone in the world...isn't that so? (atleast with me it is). What exactly is the issue here....no seriously...I dont see it? Difference of opinion...isnt that so. But that doesnt stop us from listening to what he has more to offer...and maybe agreeing and disagreeing on some of those as well. Isnt that normal discussion?

    ..sorry...I sound 'preachy' there ;-)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:38  

  • dadagiri, good point.

    Ravi, If a person expects people to start filtering out his comments/articles, then he is not a good writer.

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:39  

  • avinash,
    Not much unlucky about the way Gambhir got out. It was an extremely loose shot.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:39  

  • Dadagiri..
    Thats the right approach ... So be it Prem or any other writer... V need to wait and accept what our judgement suggests us to.Journos(Good ones) r doing their job ... by raising or sharing what their judgement tells them to..

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:40  

  • saurabh...to each his own. I like the analysis, but I also like to read the the subtle hints...the non official bits...about players...their game...their views on other players....etc etc.....I use that to form my own opinions (and keep refining them)...when someone hits close to my opinion...I agree...other times I tend to disagree. But I still love all the material that helps me form the opinion.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:40  

  • Mock,
    Not sure what you meant by 'when SG was the top'. Do you mean SG the player or SG the captain? I don't think SG the captain ever had it easy even when he took over the job during the darkest phase in Indian cricket and brought almost immediate results when we reached the ICC trophy final in Nairobi. During the Aussie series, the media was more with Waugh and the Aussies. It is basically the Indian captaincy, it's the toughest job out there. SG probably had more problems because of his personality.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:40  

  • Avinash..We are not in an utopian world where each one understands their responsibility..Each one works to achieve an end..good or bad...each his own

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:41  

  • Y-Y, you think it is okay to speculate such information here? anyway, this topic has been beaten to death yesterday and I was told that this is a private blog and anything goes and i am the trouble-maker. this blog has a link from REDIFF(that's how I knew of this) and obviously, given Prem's previous job as a cricket writer, there must be a ton of people reading this blog and taking that to be an absolute fact.

    i am dropping this topic now.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:41  

  • Both boundaries of Lax seems to have been streaky ones.Those watching...yr views,pls

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:42  

  • dadagiri, i was referring to the days when SG had more popular support. i agree that he has been the whipping boy of our media.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:44  

  • laxman is not at his best and he is OUT!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 04:44  

  • good move mock. and since the cricket is not worth my time as well, I am switching off as well...

    Have a good day guys...

    By Blogger Saurabh Wahi, at 04:44  

  • ravi i just got back from our canteen where i saw the boundaries. the first one, he looked confused but the second was well played in the end. he played it softly thus not giving a chance.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:45  

  • Laxman plumb lbw streak

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:45  

  • see you later saurabh. maybe when the game is 'interesting'!

    By Blogger worma, at 04:46  

  • Worma,
    May be I didn't get it right from Prem on that issue and you did. :) Anyway, as Saurabh is saying, quite a few people don't think like you and I do. They may have read Prem's initial comment, left the blog and will keep this in mind for the rest of their lives. That's the difference between a reputed journo saying something and an average person saying something. Believe me, most of the people don't 'filter' at all.

    Anyway, Lax gone. So I guess Ravi was right. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 04:47  

  • good discipline bowling performance by Zimbabwe this morning has helped pull things back a bit.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:47  

  • Guys,
    One Q... ( I might b missing something here)

    "I felt something hit me and, looking down, saw pellets on the ground," Flintoff wrote in his book

    Did the bullet really hit him? No damage !! Might b at the fag end of its path!!

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:47  

  • On a different topic...There is so much talk abt India being chokers in the finals.I just need to understand how many finals did India get to reach in the period between World Cup 1983 till the time SG took over.Should the credit not go to this Team for making it to so many finals(some may be in Tri series where the third team's performance was a foregone conclusion)?

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:47  

  • Ganguly off the mark first ball thanks to a misfield by Streak!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:48  

  • "Ravi said...
    My gut feel...Lax will not cross 20 in this innings "

    Oh no !!!

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 04:48  

  • Well said ravi that is why I always take such pieces of news/views with a pinch of salt. I mean the truth is we never know what is happening and everyone out there has some ulterior selfish motive and are pushing their own hidden agendas so how can we trust any one

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:48  

  • Wow! That ball to Dravid from Streak must have seamed a foot away after pitching!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:49  

  • Interesting phase this, let us all see what dada can do here. Another century in slightly tougher conditions is the need of the hour and will help dada redeem himself to some extent, even though the attack is still pedestrian

    By Blogger Avinash, at 04:50  

  • Dada and RD at crease... Guess who will be the victim of another run out today??

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:51  

  • ok freddie might be on acid. 2 reasons why i think so:
    1. if he meant pellet, then that implies an air gun. which means that he for sure could have been injured if it had hit him. he was at the boundary and an airgun can easily injure someone at a distance upto 45 yards.
    2. if he said pellets i guess he means shot which is fragments within a bullet fired from a shot gun. the report of a shot gun is loud enough to be heard for a fair distance and if someone actually had the balls to carry a shotgun into the stadium he sure as hell woul dhave been arrested upon shooting it.
    well fab fred knows best.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 04:52  

  • Beautiful cover drive from Ganguly!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:54  

  • Ganguly certainly looking better in his short stint at the crease so far.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 04:54  

  • ok Dadagiri...I do agree (with you as well as mock turtle on this) about many people being impressionable...and they may take the wrong impression from the readings here. Although I don't know what Prem should do about it(I'm trying to keep myself in his place and thinking)...I certainly don't want him to 'refrain' from speaking out his mind here...just because the material is not up to the mark in terms of official credibility.

    But back to the game...and India again having the 'hiccup' I mentioned in the post. GG should have played better I think. His problem is entirely mental..and GC needs to solve it. And soon.

    By Blogger worma, at 04:55  

  • Joining this post after a hiatus, but sure Saurav in William Shakesphere's (am I right) words has already "Kicked the bucket", all sympathies on him for his leadership, supporting young players, came to nought when he spilt beans out of dressing room and embarrassed GC. I doubt Shastri, SG will see this in order when it comes to performance review. Saurav, better learn to cool his heals off, and look for alternative cricket linked profession in immediate future

    By Blogger papugopu, at 04:55  

  • Dadagiri says:
    quite a few people don't think like you (Worma) and I do.

    Please sir, how can I be as clever as you two?

    By Blogger i, at 04:55  

  • A personal observation guys........SG seems to be aloof in the team nowadays. Observed this for quite some time....maybe since Pak tour to India. he does not seem to participate actively in the team huddle as before

    By Blogger Sid, at 04:55  

  • k-slice thanks for the explanation. I also thought air pistol when I read it first. But hasn't the security in our stadiums been tight even in those days? Why would someone want to bring in a relatively harmless air-pistol and risk being convicted 'seriously'. Anyways...fred only knows :)

    By Blogger worma, at 04:58  

  • K-Slice,
    U sound like a Mumbai'kar ... as per my 'perception' they know the best about guns and shooting ...:-)

    I hv very limited knowledge ... blame it on my name

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 04:59  

  • i...Drink boost :D

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:00  

  • Thank you Ravi sir. Have you the intimate knowledge of this drink sir?

    By Blogger i, at 05:01  

  • Dadagiri,
    I m Just think a lil too much ... but since its Freddie's biography ... terming him as writer ...can I ask u if u wud put it in fact or fiction?

    We can drop this Q... if u r not interested

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:02  

  • Sure...I do.My children drink everyday and IMHO they seem to be smarter than you ;)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:03  

  • SRT and Sehwag do a BOOST ad - always thought this drink was for kids!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:03  

  • i,
    Drink Boost. Boost is the secret of my energy. Anyway, what I meant to say was that most people don't filter news. They will believe whatever is said by reputed journos.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:03  

  • Ganguly moving his front foot towards the pitch of the ball well

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:04  

  • Hey Ravi, I didn't copy u. I was writing while u posted. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:05  

  • Ravi sir, thank you for suggestion. What is this IMHO, sir?

    Are your children as smart as SRT sir? My congratulations.

    By Blogger i, at 05:05  

  • yeda: im from poona. went to boarding school for a while and was part of the ncc. hence the gun knowledge.
    ravi and mock, i wouldnt suggest boost as a brain tonic considering sachin failed his 12th and sehwag isnt terribly bright!!

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:06  

  • Yeda, some other time. Not into Freddie right now. SG on the crease. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:06  

  • SRT was a high school dropout though..;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:07  

  • Dadagiri..Cool..So long as 'i' manages to get the info he needs, it has served our pupose.It is a different matter altogether, that we are promoting something without getting paid for it :(

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:07  

  • ravi...

    must people agree that the one-day game is a bit of a toss-up between the top sides. We reach a lot of finals and then lose about 90% of the time. This means one of two things (maybe both)...

    i. There is a large gap between the team India plays in the final and India.
    ii. India chokes in finals.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:07  

  • k-slice, Boost is an energy drink, not a brain tonic. And you can add Kapil to that list too.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:07  

  • Dadagiri,
    Good escape.... Didn't expect tht from u actually ... anyways... looks like Freddie is cooking stories to avoid coming to India again... ha ha

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:08  

  • jaffa by Streak, swinging from middle to outside off; Dravid lucky not to get an edge!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:08  

  • scorcher from streak. Preobably the best ball of the last six months.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:08  

  • The ball is doing something yaar...may be due to early morning conditions. RD was completely beaten by Streak.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:08  

  • Dadagiri, I dig. And I would agree that while hanging out in a pub and gossiping is fine, care should be taken when the source realizes that it is more of a seminar than a pub and he is more of the plenary speaker than a careless lounger. Responsibility, is the word.

    By the way Sir are you also as smart as Ravi sirs children. Ravi sirs children also having SRT's cricketing brain. Me very excited.

    By Blogger i, at 05:09  

  • dada giri ravi said that that is the secret of his being smart. thats why i called it a brain tonic.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:09  

  • Part of "mental disintegration" from Freddie.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:09  

  • Yeda,
    Not escape yaar. I am watching the match on my computer, but mostly listening to the commentary as I am typing here endlessly. Need to stop and watch the match. Moreover I don't yet know what Freddie's auto-b contains at this point in order to comment whether it's fiction or fact.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:11  

  • dude i think streak seems to have guzzled a few gallons of boost this morning. or the ball is dissproportionately weighted!!(joke) holy shit is he swinging it.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:11  

  • i, why are you so excited about Ravi's children? :-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:12  

  • Dear k-slice and mock_turtle sirs. Thanks for more information, but at least it guarantees ravi sirs children will study till clas 10. My beautiful congratulations.

    By Blogger i, at 05:12  

  • i sir, you are welcome saar.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:13  

  • Dadagiri,
    Cool ... Carry on... V shud not really miss Dada's game .. U never know which one is his last !

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:13  

  • Dear K-slice sir, it is very exciting to find clever children sir. As celever as SRT and SRT(najafgarh model). More boost to them sir.

    By Blogger i, at 05:13  

  • i,
    As soon as Ravi lets me meet his children, I will let you know whether I am smarter or not. But as I already said, Boost is an energy booster and I need a lot of them to justify my name.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:15  

  • i, jokes apart this is a little personal. you need not agree with what ravi says but its unfair to target him like this. i dont agree with a lot of shit here but that doesnt mean you start sarcastically talking shit about people. you can agree to disagree but do it in a mature manner.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:15  

  • India RR today:
    31 runs in 15 overs= 2.07

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:16  

  • good morning / afternoon / night - whateve applies to each of your time zones.

    Seems SG / RD slugging it out to prove who is the better snail. RD would win hands down in the snail race on career stats but SG in his current avataar is no mug of a snail either.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:17  

  • Honestly, it has been good disciplined bowling by Zimbabwe more than poor batting by India (other than Gambhir's shot to get out).

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:18  

  • K-slice...Cool it..If u noticed,I backed off when 'i'started targeting my kids.Leave him on his own.He can go on for all I care.Let's get back to what we are here for

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:19  

  • K-slice sir, I am mature sir. Relax sir, no sarcasm meant sir. I don't know what sarcasm means sir. Thank your for your mature wisdom sir. must be boost.

    Somebody hit a four, I am getting bored here. And everyone here is so uptight.

    By Blogger i, at 05:20  

  • Hi All,

    any eye-witness for the game?
    Please let us know what exactly is the matter in the ground..why suddenlly so slow?
    Although it doesnt matter actually..but why all the sudden?
    Conditions/bowling/batting(?)

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 05:20  

  • umm..Harare Horror show again?? :(

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:21  

  • Hi guys!...my favorite Ganguly batting!...I hope he remains long enough...good for the team..and good for us, in general.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:21  

  • Ravi sir is so mature. First he brings children into play, then takes them away.

    Anyway, for the recorde, I am not targetting his children. Poor chaps had no choice :) Just pulling a little leg for advertising boost as a brainy drink.

    By Blogger i, at 05:23  

  • Abhay,
    There is some help for the bowlers in te morning. The bowlers have been very disciplines in bowling a good length just outside the off stump swinging it away predominantly. Not so much poor batting by India; just no 4 balls being bowled.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:24  

  • boost is brainy and brawny, i, after drinking boost, SRT gets the better of Brett Lee in a foot-ball game

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:24  

  • dravid showing Sg that he can bat slow as well. i think GC has imbibed in them the concept of slow and steady wins the rrace. either that or the ZIm bowlers are wearing masks of warne, murli, joel garner, hadlee etc thereby causing the indian batsmen to have a newfound respect for their bowling.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:25  

  • Anyway, in my not-so-humble opinion, the two batsmen should stop this high risk play involving singles, and running between the wickets. Run outs can happen. They should stick to fours and sixes.

    By Blogger i, at 05:25  

  • the and disciplined above

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:25  

  • i Sir!...brain follows energy sir!
    first sir, energy from boost...then sir, brain from energy.....Inference sir!.." no energy no brain"....Sir...one Swami Vivekananda almost hinted something like that Sir!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:25  

  • Sachin has finally pulled out of ICC matches as well ...
    http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/21ten.htm

    I hope he is not having any serious recovery problems.... Want to see if back fully fit ... at least by the end of this year

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:25  

  • dear mock, and since when football with Lee become a gauge of gray matter?

    By Blogger i, at 05:26  

  • i, "BRAWNY" - i said, in addition to it being brainy.

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:27  

  • In the morning meeting b4 the game started, I am informed by reliable sources in the team, it was decided by Captain Courageous to avoid any chance of reliving the past ghosts of Harare horrors the team will play for a DRAW and SG & RD are putting the game plan in practice right now.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:29  

  • blwe sir is full of the infinite wisdom.
    WWF wrestlers next noble prize winners sir? Brains size of water melons on steroids sir?

    By Blogger i, at 05:29  

  • Swami Vivekananda said...in order to understand the nuances of spiritualism...one needs to play a bit of footbal..that may help.
    Actually, rugby would have been better...but may be our Swamijee restricted himself to only one example.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:29  

  • wow this is a great competition between the two batsmen at the crease right now. " i can bat slower" no i can bat slower" no i can bat even slower" fack. i wish they would get out. maybe harbhajan should coach them in hitiing cross batted shots. atleast looks comical and is thus entertaining.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:29  

  • If a few WWF westlers sir...take to physics..or chemistry for that matter...u never know sir!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:30  

  • Worma,
    Any idea when Lara is next in action ... in tests ? Somehow have a feeling that SRT is gonna lag him in the test records..

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:30  

  • Dear mock, it was the addition that I was questioning. Brawny I accept without reserve

    By Blogger i, at 05:30  

  • i meant the wrestlers

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:30  

  • Gavaskar used to say that the first hour belongs to the bowler but the next 5 are yours.

    Seems like the first 5 hours will be given to Zimbabwean bowlers and the last one will be ours.

    Ganguly pulls convincingly to short midwicket for one. Brilliant.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:31  

  • Y-Y..If everything goes well with WI admin and players, we shld see Lara in Aus shortly

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:32  

  • saurav ganguly reserving energy to raise his bat for the stupendous applause he is about to get when he reaches 10 runs. double figurs on the trot. the next milestone would be when he gets to 25. after all a quarter century is a quarter century irrespective of the opposition.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:33  

  • hey mock!..what do your 'reliable inside sources' say today...will SG last the full distance( I mean century)..?

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:33  

  • Ravi
    How many tests there WI vs. AU?

    By Blogger Yeda_Yakub, at 05:34  

  • RUn rate dropping like a turd from an elephant.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:34  

  • why are the 2 of the best batsmen in the world..making such heavy weather of this Zimbabwe bowling?

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:35  

  • Y-Y - 3 tests - Nov -Dec

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:35  

  • Lara will tour Australia for sure...I am sure he can't wait to get his hands on some new supermodels...if he was as serious about cricket...

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:35  

  • Are there some cracks on the pitch or is it the grass? I've noticed that every time the bowler pitches it short well outsode the offstump (not the ideal place to be bowling), there seems to be extravagant seam. That ugly shot from Dravid was largely due to the extravagant movement away after pitching.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:36  

  • yes yes yes. sg has done it. he has crossed the magic figure of 9 runs. well played dada. wow. i cant contain my joy!! he raises his bat , takes off his helmet, kisses the emblem and then lets loose a volley of words towards the dressing room.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:36  

  • k-slice...thsi is test after all!..u need to be patient man!...tests are played in sessions...run-rate and overs are secondary.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:37  

  • blwe sir they are conserving their energy for their brains sir. For as Yoko Ono said a body without brain is an empty commode.

    By Blogger i, at 05:37  

  • k-slice sir is slicing and dicing his sarcasm about. Well played sir

    By Blogger i, at 05:38  

  • yes blow torch i agree. this is a test. a test of ones patience. similar to a game of chess actually. except one tends to forget that these 2 combined probably have more experience than the entire zim team. please please lets not try defending this slow, extra careful, non risk taking batting.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:39  

  • Whats happening out there?

    Current Partnership: 20 runs, 10.4 overs, RR: 1.88

    Why so much respect for a pedestrian attack?

    By Blogger Shankar Anand, at 05:40  

  • Ganguly repeatedly asked when he looked at the pitch this pitch, " Are you sure that Henry Olonaga is not going to play? Positive?"

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:40  

  • shankar,
    conditions very conducive for the seamers this morning; run rate ought to pick up in the latter part of the afternoon

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:42  

  • i Sir!...thanks for the reference to yoko ono..and ofcourse ..body!...reminds me of many things....but this is cricket times!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:42  

  • jiet dude surely you are joking. he has 10000000000 runs to his name. the pitch condition doesnt bother him. even a beningn wicket with a gimp for a bowler and a one eyed catcher at fine leg realsie that a dolly aimed at SG's ribs will mean a wicket for them.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:43  

  • K-slice...you are right..my sources must be wrong.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:44  

  • k-slice..I agree with you...but trust me...these 2 guys know more about cricket than all of us in here...including our guru Prem...I am sure..they know what they are doing!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:44  

  • blwe, "sources" say that GC is quietly sitting in a corner, writing detailed handwritten notes about SG's inability to get RD run-out even after being together for over a hour. ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:45  

  • blwe their knowledge seems to have no reall effect on their practices.even with my limited cricketing knowledge i feel we are playing a little too slowly. well i hope you are right and these 2 blast off in the next session, thats if the zim bolers havent died of boredom by then.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:46  

  • hey..I believe..a little bit of good-natured and light hearted fun is good for this blog!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:47  

  • k-slice,
    It is still the morning of day 2. There will be plety of runs on offer if you keep your wickets in hand for later in the day, when the bowlers tire, and Taibu is forced to bring on Dabengwa to pick up a rather poor over rate.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:49  

  • mock..your sources are a danger to the licensed journalists here...beware!...they may get sentimental!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:49  

  • Ganguly consolidating for India after two devastating strikes this morning. India trying to wrest the initative from Zimbabwe here.

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:49  

  • honestly blwe i agree with you. at times it feels like all of us drink karela juice before coming here. today atleast people seem to be taking things with a little sense of humor. i for one am making the most of it , waiting till someone comes and punishes me for taking matters such as this lightly.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:50  

  • SG yelled out 'Let it go' to refuse a run instead of the usual 'NO'. :)

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:51  

  • Guess each has decided to frustrate the other by slowing down so much. They are hoping the other plays a rash shot and gets out !!! Well excuse list : this is the period just before lunch so no risks. Post lunch: the batsmen is most susceptible to get out after a break so play for 30 minutes carefully. Then the new ball would be taken so play carefully, by then it is tea. Then the same cycle continues, so we will at the end of day have scored 250 runs against this attack

    By Blogger Avinash, at 05:51  

  • I am sure ..a few may be waiting for their chances!...but u keep up your spirits!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:52  

  • yes sahir, similarly if we wait till the last session the zimbabweans willl be completely wasted by then. thats when we should take the atatck to them. good thinking that. i am a fan of such immense intellect in our teams decision making.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:52  

  • Truly great strategy...think of the possibilities....we could bat slowly till the day after tomorrow....

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:54  

  • cmon, it is all dictated by the commercials. BOOST and AIRTEL called the players and said that unless they play for 5 days, their contracts are out. ad-time ;-) bless my sources!

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 05:54  

  • What do we have here? Ball directed into Ganguly's waist, ribcage areas and he typically pops it in the air towards a divng forward short leg. Just falling short!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:54  

  • Ganguly gone, edged to Taibu!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:56  

  • jiet stop it. if we bat that long the zimbabwe batsmen will be tired from standing around touching themsleves. that would mean they wouldnt be eble to bat and hence our entire strategy would be uselss.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:56  

  • Guys..if they score fast and then bowl out Zim tomorrow,what do they do for 2 days after that.My "sources" tell me that all flights out of Zim are over booked so no possibility fo advancement of travel:)

    By Blogger Ravi1010, at 05:56  

  • Avinash,
    Don't entirely focus on the attck i.e. the names. It depends on how they are bowling, right? They have done a very good job this morning assited by some favorable conditions. Forget about SG our favorite whipping boy, the ICC Player of the year, RD, who was playing so fluently yesterday, have been so cautious this morning. This is just the 2nd day, we don't want to bat again, lost a few early wickets. All these factors are probably affecting the run scoring. Have patience man.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:56  

  • First test wicket for Mwayenga! Ganguly 16 off 50 balls; strike rate 32

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:56  

  • Mugabe is holding Ajit Agarkar hostage, AA's family in mumbai has threatened to reveal all the Nagma secrets which AA has kept with his family to spill if he is ever in danger of not getting selected or in some way harmed and SG refuses to come to his rescue.

    So for saving AA from Mugabe clutches SG has hatched a plan to make ZIM look better. Thats what is going on.

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 05:57  

  • honestly...I have become a fan of SG's batting after being influenced by my wife ..and my 4 year old daughter.
    I sometimes wonder..how come my daughter became an SG fan?!...for all her 4 years of existence...SG had been in poor form( by his standards) throughout!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 05:57  

  • Change in plans...Ganguly is tired so he got himself out to take a break...lunch? what is lunch?

    By Blogger Jiet, at 05:57  

  • So another pathetic batting display. Have the ghosts of Harare returned to haunt the Indians? We need to be close to winning this game by EOD. That means score big, declare and skittle a few wickets in Zim 2nd innings.

    The way Rahul and Saurav are batting - it does not seem like possible. Now who is battling for form? Rahul or Saurav? Or both?

    GC must be tearing his hair now. :-)

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:58  

  • and ganguly walks back after this long stint at the crease. well played dada. a nation salutes you. or atleast i do. the best thing to have happened to cricket as a game. SG going out that is. thank god we wont have to see him for long. i wish he would have retired earlier. i wouldnt have minded remembering him as a dangerous batsmen who coul flat attacks rather than a gimp who cant play a short ball, a ball outside off, a ball thats pitched up, a ball that swings, a ball that is bowled faster that 115 km an hour. ok thats it.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 05:59  

  • oops my bad - Ganguly got out before I typed and submitted the last post :-)

    By Blogger vshan, at 05:59  

  • That's interesting to know blew. So what does your daughter like about SG?

    Yuvi survives a close call.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 05:59  

  • Big opportunity for Yuvraj Singh to justify his selection. It was unlikely that he would get to bat agianst the run of play, but Zimbabwe are well on top so far today!

    By Blogger Sahir, at 05:59  

  • U guys are all so so bad u pressured poor gangu to score fast and see what happened!!! Harare collapse on the cards? Hope not. I guess we must atleast get a lead of 200 else we may be left with a tricky chase of 150. That may be enof to open the pandora’s box. Yuvi has to paly positively and responsibly here. At least let there be some benefit of 6 batsmen!!!

    By Blogger Avinash, at 06:00  

  • Both big mouthed centurian back to hut!

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 06:01  

  • Its a conspiracy hatched behind SG's back Jaggu dada please rescue, GC / RD / VVS and all those devils combined to teach Mwayenga how to bowl as well guided short pitched missile which has managed to pierce SG's impenetrable defence.

    It was a NO BALL, but still no one protected SG.

    Taibu had promised who would not hold any catches he cheated SG.

    God I just have to do something, some trick to protect SG and his genius. How did they declare him out???????????

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 06:01  

  • At the risk of raising a storm, was that the last time we may see Ganguly bat for India?

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:02  

  • I think it must be the flowing off side drives...that RD rightly said..comes next only to God
    ...BTW....the latest turn of things ...has been a big dampener..

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:02  

  • C'm on Abhay, they have to give others a chance too. Sehwag already missed the bus. Let's hope Rahul and Yuvraj grab their chances today.

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:02  

  • Sahir - depends on Sept 26!

    By Blogger vshan, at 06:02  

  • sahir i doubt its the last time . but if sharad pawar wins the BCCi election(if he stands for it to begin with) this might be then end of SG's captaincy. sad but some people dont leave unless kicked out.

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:03  

  • no matter how hard Dravid tries to hit, the ball refuses to go!

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:03  

  • Dadagiri :-)

    Well said, may be plan to give others some chance :-P

    By Blogger Medium_Fast_LegSpin, at 06:04  

  • what's the bet? Dileep P will write 3 pages on SG and add that VVS was "unfortunate" to get out after a fluent, stroke-filled 8 ;-)

    By Blogger Mock Turtle, at 06:04  

  • may be ..or may be not....as for me...I have some good dvd's of the last australian tour...so I can replay what I like..anytime.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:04  

  • Yacrik may be ZIM using a heavier Ball !!!!!!!!!!

    By Blogger Bedoon_Esam, at 06:05  

  • Does anyone really think that Dungarpur might pull of another kyon miya captain banoge were he to come back to power?

    By Blogger K-Slice, at 06:05  

  • the pitch has slowed down painfully..it seems......think..what will happen to the Zimbabweans!

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:06  

  • captain has so much extra work on and off the field; i think he should get 7-10% of the team total runs added to his name.
    same goes with bowling - 10% wicket for each innings.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:06  

  • So are you suggesting that Pawar/Dungarpur will make Kaif captain instead of RD?

    By Blogger Dadagiri, at 06:07  

  • k-slice...there is nobody better than Dalmia..at the moment. ...lets wait for someone better to arrive.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:08  

  • If it indeed is the last time we have seen Ganguly batting at the international level, an honorable farewell is deserved for a man that served Indian cricket very well for a long time. Let us try to remeber him for all the good he did rather than simply focusing on his extended form slump over the past year. Hopefully Greg Chappell and Rahul Dravid can form a great working relationship and carry India to new heights, should the opportunity present itself.

    By Blogger Sahir, at 06:08  

  • ganguly hit a few flowing drives..unlucky got out. the previous over, he got lucky to get a decent life.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:08  

  • Anyway..only Yuvraj can make a good captain...that is ..if he can establish himself n the Indian team.

    By Blogger Blwe_torch, at 06:09  

  • was Yuvraj out the first ball? the Zim players appeared very confident - never seen such a strong appleal for catch turned down.

    By Blogger Yacrik, at 06:09  

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