Sight Screen: Ind-ZIM T2 Day3 : Open Thread

Thursday, September 22, 2005

Ind-ZIM T2 Day3 : Open Thread

Lets see how soon we get this over today. Streak jokes about having to play an opener's role. Funny but sad.

122 Comments:

Kolkata High Court stays BCCI AGM

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/22bcci.htm

By Kansultant, at 03:42
Guys, we missed a couple of very interesting landmarks at the oval.

Check it out on my blog....

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:03
dadagiri, the only way he can get the captaincy till 2007 is by using your name :-)

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:07
jiet, we already won a series abroad;Remember we beat Bangladesh last year :-)

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:09
Jokes apart dadagiri, I would like to see he Indian board appoint captains like Australia & England.

Vaughan is the captain of the English Team. Full-stop! Ditto Ponting.

This think of apointing captains for one-series or 6-months is rubbish....

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:11
morning, guys.. any luck with sportingstreams today? i still have trouble

By Raju, at 04:13
ravi, dadagiri, I was kidding...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:15
well we can always go and beat USA!!! That would look good on the resume...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:17
Careful dear jiet, with such heavy handed sarcasm you may sprain your shoulder.

By i, at 04:18
Well my name begins with "i", so seems interesting to sign my posts/emails with "i"

"i said...

Nice to see you Mr. Torch.

By i, at 04:24
sahir, thanks a lot!!

By Raju, at 04:25
ravi, we can come up with excuses, etc but the sad part is we don't win consistently and hence the frustration.

But on the +ve side, we don't lose consistently as well..

By Saurabh Wahi, at 04:26
Lovely Jiet, I admire you for taking your position of shouldering India's misfortunes alone.

By i, at 04:26
Friend Jiet, In the age of Atlas the fans were much less forgiving. They put the losing team into a pit of wild dogs, while the Captain was left alone with the Royal Bengal Tiger.

Atlas, me thinks, was a cricketer, not a fan. They are the chaps shouldering the burdens of our failure.

By i, at 04:32
I like this guy Coventry. Slam bam, thank you maam.

By i, at 04:33
well, for the first time in the test series, i woke up early to watch the game b'cos today is indeed a big day.

Each time India leaves for Zim, we always say "Minnows, should win easiy, and the wins against such a weak team dont matter, blah blah.." Invariably, the last two Zim tours were preceded by successful conquering of Aus at home (in '01 and in '98). What happened though? Weak or strong this Zim team is, let us cherish the big moment awaiting, guys...

By Raju, at 04:34
Personally speaking O' seer Jiet, I have no particular interest in cricket. I like it when India wins, and if not, hey, there is still tomorrow. To me, cricket is a profession, and let the 11 do their jobs, and unless we can do it better than them, lets halt the firing squad.

By i, at 04:39
ravi,

Call me cynic, but fact of the matter is, we are dead-buns when
- we face quality opponent,
- we face not-so-familar conditions,
- opposition is full strength.

All the champion teams have conquered all of the above.

You might be a believer, but just beliving in mediocrity does not make it a champion.
One has to identify it and improve on it.

By shaileshkm, at 04:47
Ah, little Jiet, you seem to like cricket. Good for you. I wouldn't pay the price of a rotten mango to watch England. Unless it was getting thrashed.

Watching the poms and the oz play, was like watching two plug-uglies play. The choice was down to rooting for the lesser of the two idiots.

Similar situation when the poms go against the pakis.

By i, at 04:50
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By i, at 04:54
Dear Mr. Slice. I am not asking you not to have an opinion. For that might lead to constipation, as has been observed in the past. I only encourage you to exercise caution in passing that opinion around as definitive.

Similarly, please criticize, but again base your criticism on what you know. Remember this is not your child's birthday arrangements we are discussing, but peoples careers, their life's work. Now, your or my opinions won't matter. But, when a similar shotgun attitude is taken by journalists, it is very damagaing.

You dig?

By i, at 04:55
Dear fair Jiet, you forget the great American adage: There are no free lunches.

By i, at 04:56
Jiet: Ever hear of the expression - What goes around, comes around.

So, ever lost any money? That was three free lunches doen the drain.

Mr. Slice: That is a very good question. I don't intend to smirk, for that is childish. Mostly, I am stuck in the middle of never-ending asymptotics, and this forum reminds me of days when I used to watch cricket. There were always this small bunch who would be instructing Ganguly how to play the outswinger, telling Laxman to hit sixes, and telling Kumble how to grip the ball. Ah, memories.

By i, at 05:04
I forgot to add, Mr Slice, that while opinions I can tolerate, it is the chaps who gloat on people's failure, for it may justify their opinions, who really get my goat.

By i, at 05:06
Jiet pardnuh, Let me rephrase that. I don't care much for cricket, in the sense that I wont spend time analysing someone's batting stance, or a team config, or a fielding placement, but I love to watch India playing cricket.

By i, at 05:13
hahaha
Yakub mian, main kya main-main karoonga. Woh to hindustan ke cricket premi karte hain. "Main batata hoon is team ko kya karan chahiye"

Rahi bakri ki baat, main to mana raha hoon ke chor vegetarian ho. Badi mahengi this bakri meri.

Waise achcha vichaar hai tumhara, ab se main email ko bakri ke naam se likha karoonga.
haha

By i, at 05:16
I agree our performance varies between pathetick to brilliant. 2001 was brilliant. To think again, that was the brilliancy of VVS and Harbhajan.
However, consistancy is another hallmark of champion team. How about playing to potential!

NZ is not be champion team, but I believe they play upto whatever available potenial they have.

When you see the potential getting rotten, you can't help but dejected.

By shaileshkm, at 05:17
some background noise from the commentary box: Gautam Bhimani should be sent to the slip cordon..!!

By Raju, at 05:19
I agree dear jiet, similar to watching half of India's humanity "try" and educate the other half about cricket.

By i, at 05:23
Dear Yakub, why do you keep my bakri next to yourself.
I never knew that a goat could attract a man so.

Well since you like it so much, I will let you have it for free.

Enjoy!

By i, at 05:38
The Test Match is heading towards a close finish. If Zimbabwe get a lead of 100, who knows?

By Nearly Man, at 05:39
Whatever you say dear Yakub. Anything for you and my goat.

By i, at 05:45
Dear Sri, pray what is SFTU? Is it something bad that requires such modesty on your part?

How is your day going so far? Everything Ok? Are you getting nervous watching the cricket causing this chain of emotion on you part?

By i, at 05:54
Dear Sri, why this rancor? Have I in the past hurt ruffled your feathers?

By the way, just in case you were under a misconception, lavatories are usually used for bodily functions. In case you employ them for literary activities due to, perhaps, lack of paper and notebooks, please let me know. I may be able to help you through ASHA or something.

By i, at 06:04
anyone watching live...how were those dropped chances??

By worma, at 06:07
Dear Sharpant, Records against India have an unfortunate habit of occuring against India.

I wonder why?

By i, at 06:08
Dear Sri, perhaps you could translate the latter part of your previous message into English. As to the first part, I don't ruffle any feathers, and my feathers are never ruffled. Laissez faire, is my policy.

By i, at 06:11
thx ananth...well ok..some days you have those catches not sticking....its more important to see if we bowled the right line (and lengths)....bhajji looked straying to me..from what i read

By worma, at 06:12
Whatever you say Sir sri, You obviously have more insight into people's minds then they themselves. No doubt your cricketing brain is just as good.

And whether you believe me or not, SFTU and *p*hair remain mysteries to me. Perhaps with your telepathic prowess you can transmit their meanings to me.

By i, at 06:20
Dear Mr. Slice, Of course, I am comic relief. God knows you chaps need some stress release after you get so uptight about things.

By the way, you never asked me about my opinion on goats, though I dare say Yakub sir is more at home with it now.

Ruffling feather is a common idiom.

By i, at 06:24
Dear Mr. Esam, your willingness to sacrifice others for the greater good is worthy of applause.

May God be with you.

By i, at 06:25
Dear Ravi, the answer may lie in the fact that they suck in everything in sight.

By i, at 06:26
bedoon_esam...am a bit confused...do you want/hope for India to loose...or you just think they are not good enough to win? Or you want us to loose because thats the convenient way of kicking out a captain or any other player?..I dont think Aus 'planned' their Ashes debacle because they couldnt figure out how the heck to tell Martyn to go??

By worma, at 06:26
Well said Sir Worma, but you underestimate Sri Bedoon_esam's capibilities to out-Aussie the Aussies.

By i, at 06:28
ah ravi sir is expecting the answer full of truth.

maybe it is way to draw analogy with dame fortune's fickle ways.

By i, at 06:32
Dear Ravi,
Hurricanes too have a low pressure centre, and so do suck in things like whirlpools.

By i, at 06:33
anath...since I'm not watching so can't comment...but I just went throught he cricinfo comm and it does seem that bhajji was bowling short too often....in between got a few on right length....and yes ravi, from the comm it seems kumble was doing better....

By worma, at 06:40
..but the bigger pic is that blignaut is/was playing a chancy game and got too many lives...or lets say..so far the chances are going in his favour....thats not a big worry...btw on whose bowling were those three drops in a row?

By worma, at 06:42
ravi...thats y when i came back just now i asked those who were watching about the nature of those catches....its only Jadhav's catch which was a real sitter.....and surely GC and the team's hard work on catching does not apply to a newcomer like him. The tougher chances are...well...as i said earlier...on some days theys stick.....didn't Yuv take a 'bonus' catch yesterday?

By worma, at 06:44
umm..ok ravi :)

By worma, at 06:48
mock turtle...the teams with reputation of being bad slip catchers are the ones which drop sitters regularly....no teams take the 'tough but catchable' chances all the time...certain individuals, like mark waugh, do....but not teams as such

By worma, at 06:50
sahir...ok..accepted..I am not watching the game :-)...just relied on comments etc here

By worma, at 06:52
mock turtle...ok, but thats why they are called 'tough but catchable? but let me not continue to argue on a point I havent seen live....they all might have been easy ;-)

By worma, at 06:59
and cricinfo gets carried away..once again...saying "end of an epic innings" LOL :-))

By worma, at 07:01
tiger..but thats not the point...I mean..even 10 runs may also be huge by a particular batsman's standards (many in this lineup)...anyways...we move on..

By worma, at 07:04
tiger..it can still be an innings defeat ? ;-)

By worma, at 07:05
mock..not fair..you guys watching it live taking us poor people on a ride ;-)

By worma, at 07:06
yes tiger...hoping for that is a bit too high ;-).....

By worma, at 07:07
tiger...what about now?...innings defeat?

By worma, at 07:10
tiger, not the same link as yesterday.. it is different

What lunch did our players have yaar? coach's effect?

By Raju, at 07:10
why s'd we consider blignaut as a steve waugh and spread the field when he plays? BS... in almost each innings, we zero in on one such 'great' batsman who cant get out..

By Raju, at 07:15
harsha says, looking at the field set for blignaut, he would be thinking he is the Bradman..

By Raju, at 07:16
mock..was that also easy?..cricinfo says it was fairly hard...but I would believe you only ;-)

By worma, at 07:17
raju..wonder when Harsha saw field settings for Bradman!...and also wonder if the field setting SG is using has never been deployed since the retirement of the great Bradman?....also also wonder if Bradman used to hit over the top like this?

By worma, at 07:19
LOL mock..:-)...btw I think Laxman also caught streak today.

By worma, at 07:21
The pool of players in Zimbabwe is small but then it is smaller in Barbados.

By Nearly Man, at 07:21
nearly: there are around 80 first class cricketers in Zim..so they choose their team from that pool!..and then replace them from some others in the same pool :-)....is it so bad in Barbados also? (but they dont have to choose a Test team)

By worma, at 07:23
worma, why cant we consider a late order batsman just as a opening batsman and set attacking field with good catching positions? Remember those 'easy' runs given away to Chanderpaul and Hooper in the 2002 tour to WI?

By Raju, at 07:23
raju...maybe because he isn't playing like an opening batsman? Maybe because his 'chances' are all near the rope (or beyond)...how many edges are flying off his bat now?....I usually dont see the point in criticising the captains on the complete field placement....a fielder or two here and there are debatable...but none of them would get the while 'idea' itself wrong....they must've seen something in it...whether at the end of the day it shows results or not

By worma, at 07:26
mock, did your mom learn her cricket from boycott's mom by any chance :-)

By Saurabh Wahi, at 07:27
k-slice..and yet Zim loose the game comfortably(??)

By worma, at 07:30
k-slice the comparision is invalid. The zimbabweans are thowing the kitchen sink at everthing now whereas the Indians were cautious (a bit too cautious I think).

Besides, India have really outplayed them in this game (and series) so look at these stats in isolation is a bit unfair on India...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 07:32
k-slice, actually Prem had mentioned rhe innings defeat but it wasn't a prediction. i remember he said if Zimbabwe lose by an innings defeat, it will be their 6th in a row...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 07:35
k-slice...I dont remember myself :-)...dont like to do the exact prediction business too much. But I always thought we were going to win comfortably.

But ok, even if we assume I did predict, so whats the point?..close enough I think?

By worma, at 07:35
k-slice...as saurabh said, Zim had nothing to loose....took a lot of chances..hence this score...India did not try to play this way(could have pulled off, but no reason to take high risk strategy)..and rightly so, IMO. Pitch, I would think, is still behaving same(as RD said, hardened out, 'tougher' to bat)...and Streak had a great spell....

By worma, at 07:38
k-slice I am not watching the game so cannot comment. Will wait for the DVD for this Test series to commment on the same. After all, the marketing arm of the BCCI must be getting thier act together to produce a DVD of India's first series victory outside the subcontinent in 20 years or so!!!!

Anyway, if you go after the bolwing like blignaut did, then on a good day, you can score on a bad pitch even against the best bolwing attack in the world.

By Saurabh Wahi, at 07:39
worma, remember those four edges dropped, they were all from Blignaut, right? anyway, no point discussing about it now, since THE moment is approaching ...

By Raju, at 07:42
raju..when those catches were dropped..there were fielders there(to drop them:-)...so cant say bad field placement can we? I thought later he was not playing the 'edgy' game...if you are watching probably you can comment if field placements gave away chances?

..but yes...this is the moment :-)...I wonder if they will get a heroes welcome at the airport, as they got on return from Pak.

By worma, at 07:47
What does abroad mean?This is a useless criteria.winning in Pakistan and SriLanka has relevance rather than winning in Zimbabwe.

By Nearly Man, at 07:55
mock... you rock!!!

By Shankar Anand, at 07:55
anyone watching the presentation ceremony?

By Shankar Anand, at 07:59
so, did pathan get all the awards?

By worma, at 08:06
thx mock...see you later..

By worma, at 08:08
mock...you around?...what did Zaheer say exactly?..and when did GC talk about it....can you please ask your sources to dig up more details?

By worma, at 09:12
mock: thanks a lot mate...yes it may all appear in press soon...but u know..it will come with the usual 'twists' depending upon the reporters preferences, biases, state of birth etc etc :-)
..so, good to know what 'actually happened' minus the spices....(if I assume that your sources didn't have a twisted mind of their own ;-)

By worma, at 09:49
..and pls tell your sources to ask SG to double check the bungee chord before taking the plunge....if the cricinfo or the rediff or PTI press-men were around...beware ;-)

By worma, at 09:50
mayur..as I said yesterday also...I'm waiting....for Indian 'critics' and 'analysts' to grace this deserving subject :-)

and shri...well it seems all articles on cricket these days lead to the same man ;-)...

By worma, at 10:07
shri...well I can find a thousand reasons why Nasser left when he did, and why Ganguly shouldn't, at this stage. I can also elaborate on why Nasser's case was different from Ganguly's. But then..whats the point..I'm an irate Ganguly fans :-)...and from the subcontinent also...so obviously it would be a case of blowing our of proportions what was a simple honest statement from Mr Miller. So...peace.

By worma, at 10:13
Ever since cricinfo was taken over by Wisden, it has become very 'English cricket' focused.

no surprise there as Wisden still thinks cricket begins and ends with England...

In June, I counted the 'best of the web' articles from cricinfo. Nearly 40% of them were from English newspapers.

And this was before the Ashes...

I thought they were supposed to be neutral!

By Saurabh Wahi, at 10:16
I am a big fan of Freddie flintoff but his comments in the autobiography have really put me off.

As they say, the bigger you are, the harder you fall....

By Saurabh Wahi, at 10:18
saurabh..yes I'm surprised at the longivity of the ashes hang-over even at cricinfo (for Eng press it can be understood).

By worma, at 10:21
Mayur, cricinfo need to make sure there is equal representation of all cricket playing countries as they claim to be the 'home of cricket on the net' not english cricket.

If you ask me personally, i think the English writers are the best (no surprise there) but cricinfo is not a site to highlight literary talents.

And bad journalism has not prevented then from publishing occasional articles from Mid-day for crying out aloud...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 10:27
srik...just finding fault with some of his(Milller's) logic...with specific examples....so what bashing?..and btw, I dont think he is condoing Flintoff, he is just not 'getting the point' of Flintoff revelations...and how its going to help strengthen the steretype of subcontinent(specifically India) being a difficult touring destination..amongst the readers of that book. Also, btw, I wrote yesterday that I do think(and ashamedly so) that the bottle comment of Flintoff, despite being a generalisation, does hold some truth.

By worma, at 10:29
But our supporters could still learn a thing or two from the English Football fans...

aparently, some of the football behaviour has made it into English cricket as well (guess it's a price of success).

i understand, that there was spitting and abuses hurled at the Australian bus after they lost the Twnety20 game....

By Saurabh Wahi, at 10:41
mayur..passion is good...money is good....unruly behaviour is bad. lets praise the good, codemn the bad...why the balancing act. Its not that if the people stop throwing bottles (and its a very tiny minority, yet enough to cause the 'damage') the money would stop coming into cricket? They would still go and watch, no? And I don't remember this being a problem in earlier times also? Someone remembers real rude incidents(throwing, hitting etc) in Kapil, Gavaskar era also? (I know Sunny was pissed off at Kolkata crowd...but that was just verbal tirades, wasn't it?)

By worma, at 10:48
There is plenty to criticize English cricket establishment, players and journalists about how they treat "third worlders" but lets be clear why we have this stuff on this blog today. It's for the same reason PP was attacked yesterday and the day before. The anti-Indianism is not the problem, the use of unnamed sources is not the problem. The problem is one man is being exposed and his supporters don't like it. Every other gripe is just incidental to the main.

By Gopal Bhagavatula, at 10:49
tombaan, i think miller committed a mistake by trying to link two (Flintoff's experience in India) and Ganguly bashing.

hence it gives the feeling of being an 'anti' india article, which is what offended some people.

If you isolate the two and read then as separate articles, they are both fair.

As for quality of cricinfo, can't complain. However, its hard to ignore that it has become 'English cricket' focused since Wisden took over which is what upsets me...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 10:52
saurabh, yes probably they should have been separate articles. I would've had problems with the arguments in one(or both) of them, but still fair read.

By worma, at 10:56
Gopalblog, "There is plenty to criticize English cricket establishment, players and journalists about how they treat "third worlders" is probably a figment of our imagination.

After all, I have seen more critism of english in the Indian media then the vice versa.

If I remember correctly, someone posted a link from the Hindu making fun of the Ashes! Wonder how we would react to that if someone from the English media made fun of our cricket and the importance we give to Ind-Pak games.

By Saurabh Wahi, at 10:57
tombaan, worma,
there have been instances in Aus where beer cans (and filled ones) have been thrown. That could seriously hurt a player. How does that compare to an empty plastic bottle?
What about all the racist and dirty dialogs that English and Aussie fans serve? The last time India toured Aus, there were instances where the goras called some of the Indian spectators coolies and threw chicken legs at them. This was in a series that supposedly showcased cricket.

Finally, what the F*** do these F***ers think they mean when you expect to be the target for plastic bottles? The kind of violence and hooliganism that English, Dutch and German fans dish out during each football tournament is enough to show the violent nature of this scum of the earth.
My point being, there is no reason to "accept" that there are bottle throwing incidents in the sub continent, as you guys said. It is nothing compared to the violent conduct of these guys.

By Toney, at 10:57
toney...I warned(myself) in my comment...I dont want to generalise this as Eng and Ind behaviour....from what I see on my tv screen..there seem to be more of such 'throwing' incidents in Indian (maybe subcontinental, but I dont want to touch that) matches than those abroad. This much, I am able to 'back' :-)

and I know abt Eng football fans...Aus sports fans etc...on the street they are probably more aggressive etc...anyways...that was not the point.

By worma, at 11:01
lawrie what did SRT say?...I mean in your opinion, what did he say?

By worma, at 11:03
Srik, here is my point. check their cricket links on their surfer blog. 5 links to English websites, 3 to australia and 3 for for the rest of the world, and none for WI, Pak & SL!!!

The Guardian
The Daily Telegraph
The Times
The Independent
BBC

The Age
Sydney Morning Herald
The Australian

NZ Herald
SuperSport
Rediff

By Saurabh Wahi, at 11:03
You know lawrie, you're right, among Indians ONLY South Indians are clannish in their behaviour.

By Gopal Bhagavatula, at 11:05
Worma, the reason for 'bottle' throwing in the sub-continent is only because it is a 'common mans' game in the sub-continent where as cricket is an elite sport in the UK.

Point is, we have crap fans in both countries, but in England they don't watch cricket...

By Saurabh Wahi, at 11:06
srik, good reply.

By Saurabh Wahi, at 11:08
hmm..yes saurabh..probably you are right, it does make sense(well I checkd the Ashes ticket prices, and surely 'common' man wasn't what flashed in front of me ;-).

But then, a Flintoff or any visiting player would still be right, to some extent, is saying that yeah we have to be mentally ready to face the 'eventuality' of having to face a bottle...

By worma, at 11:10
passionflower: this is what sachin said

"It's difficult for me to speak on the issue. But such talks should not come out of the dressing-room and if it comes out then it's not right. Dressing-room discussions should remain within the dressing-room only," he told the magazine. "[The Indian board] should speak to the players after they come back. We would get the real story once they talk to the officials [after returning home]."

It looks pretty 'neutral' to me? Hey and btw, when he mentions 'talks should not come out of dressing room' remember that this is not just in reference to SG's 'outburst'...but its also in reference to SG's implication that the incident had already been leaked to the media(even Gavaskar commented on this saying it should not happen, LP Sahi ofcourse went the whole hog with senior bowler theory:-).

By worma, at 11:18
srik,
Here is an excerpt from Sambit Bal's columns from Down Under
But the situation gets decidedly uglier when a few members of the Army are walking past a noisy bunch of Australian sitting below the main scorecard. They find empty bottles pelted at them and the odd abuse. "What's the point," one of them hollers, "they don't understand English." I have a chewed bone thrown at me with the words, "here, take it." And then I hear the word "Coolie" muttered. It's the second time I have heard that word in two days, having been addressed so the previous night at Hindley Street. It is nauseating. But I am not seeing a pattern in it yet. Australia has been wonderful to me so far. People have been friendly, warm and helpful. I am not about to let two jerks colour my perceptions about a country.

See how he is still ready to give the benefit of doubt to the Aussies and saying that this is an exception than a rule. And trouble is not a few empty plastic bottles. It is the racist dialogs and taunting that people continually receive from the spectators too.
Exactly what did Flintoff do other than dub every spectator in India a bottle thrower? And did Andrew Miller write anything to correct this statement in his enlightening article?
Abt cricket not being watched by the commoners, hence the feeling that this could possible be a better behaved crowd. The reason is not the prices of tickets, it was the popularity of the game. Watching footbal matches or getting a season pass is nota cheap affair in England, yet commoners go watch the game.

By Toney, at 11:24
toney...that price of ticket thing...that was just a thought...and maybe you are right...its not a commoners game (in Eng)...

but whatever...as I have been saying..let me ask you this...do you think the number of such incidents (as we see live on tv) are equal in all countries where cricket is played? (again I say, lets not go into sociology....generalisations etc)

By worma, at 11:28
When bottle throwing alone iis considered, we Indians are ahead (only in recent times). Of course, if you consider beer throwing, spitting, abusing, racism, hooliganism etc, then you answer me.
I dont know if these incidents in cricket would also be generalisation. In any case, I dont understand the point. Is it ok for Flintoff to keep harping on this wild and out-of-control Indian crowd? If so, no more comments on this.

By Toney, at 11:36
shri,
Adding to that, I hate the security guys who come tour India each time when Eng?aus tour. In light of the unfortunate incidents in Eng, that seems to be more dangerous place. But then, streakers, pitch invasions etc are considered the fun part of the game. I read on cricinfo that pitch invasion was controlled only after a steward was injured badly. And the Bevan incident was mentioned too. Wonder how many teams would have halted the tour if that happened with another emppty plastic bottle in INdia.

By Toney, at 11:41
shri, unfortunately, thats not true. I remember, I had seen a couple of games in Kochi, one in B'lore, after these new stricter measures. We carried bag loads of food, water and other necessary stuff. You can get in with a missile in your back-pack, no one's gonna notice.
But in Blore, they have done an ingenious thing. There are nets which can be dropped down, thus preventing spectators from throwing things on the ground.

By Toney, at 11:43
srik, if as you say, spectators throw stuff to halt the matches not going in India's favour, then there is greater malice in the actions of other people when they throw stuff to hurt people, right? :) I am not serious here, just for argument's sake :)

By Toney, at 11:45
srik, I agree. On a bad day, I could have lost my stuff too. It depends a lot on the officers' mood too.

By Toney, at 11:50
srik, didnt pitch invasions happen in the WCs held in Eng prior to 83? I think so, though not sure. I thought it was a "tradition" in Eng which later on was abused by Ind/Pak fans

By Toney, at 11:52
:) srik, there are video recordings if you are interested. Cu somewhere else...

By Toney, at 11:58
srik, toney...am not saying that its ok for Flintoff to put it in the book...that creates a generalisation...perpetuates a stereotype....but he is still right, to some extent. Object throwing incidences occur more in India (and subcotinent, maybe..) than in other places of the world...without going into justifications...of what other things go well, and do not go well in what all countries

By worma, at 12:13
shri, that leads me to a question I have heard people ask. Why are second generation INdians in America called Indian Americans while similar Germans are not called German Americans, Irish descendants are not called Irish Americans etc... Get the point?:)

By Toney, at 12:18
shri, our continued "manners" in dealing with such people means we continue to be the focal point of all such statements.

By Toney, at 12:20
shri....sure...i disagree with the article as well....and since yesterday..have disagreed with Freddie putting what he did in his book.....and as I said, I wait for indian media to do justice to the criticism

By worma, at 12:26
...not looking good shri :)...if only Indian media was clever enough like Mr Miller to somehow associate this to the Ganguly angle ;-)

By worma, at 12:39

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